View Full Version : Rule interpretation question..
LevinJ
12-16-2010, 11:34 PM
Not intended as a rant, but this happened today and I want to know how the rules would handle this...
I enter SRO, find AC PH walking around the zone at night, kill it. Then get grief tossed at me for KSing from guy who claims he is camping the AC. My anonymous friend explains to me that the trick to making the AC spawn is to leave the PH up overnight. Basically, he tells me he is camping AC but not killing PH (or any other mobs) because that is his theory of how it spawns.
So I know that a camp is only yours if you are killing the mobs. And I know AC does require PHs to be killed to spawn. So my question is, by the rules did he have right to the camp based on his flawed strategy where he was sitting in the right spot but not actually killing PH or anything else?
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653
LevinJ
12-16-2010, 11:52 PM
Linking the rule thread with no other commentary doesn't answer my question. I explained in my post that I understand the rules, and am asking how they would be applied here in this awkward situation.
Bizarostormy
12-17-2010, 12:06 AM
He is only "camping" it if he is sitting on the spawn point and keeping it killed.
If its running around then its not his.
Hobby
12-17-2010, 12:09 AM
Common knowledge that the SRO AC PH must be killed within a certain timeframe, otherwise it will be near impossible to spawn aside from accidently killing it when it should be.
Common knowledge does not mean everyone knows this though, but for the next time you run through -- you will.
I personally would be in favor of the dude camping the mob simply because i know how it works, and 90% of the server tends to respect the fact the SRO PH must be killed at a specific time.
Dr4z3r
12-17-2010, 12:12 AM
The AC only has a chance to spawn at a certain time of day. That's actually how the camp works: you leave the PH alone until 10AM(?) gametime, and then there is a chance it will spawn at 8PM(?) gametime.
LevinJ
12-17-2010, 12:24 AM
It wasn't me, I was the one running through the zone, not the one camping it without killing it. And while I agree with the theory of leaving it up until a certain time during daylight, this was early EQ night time when I ran through the zone and found the PH up and roaming. He told me he wasn't killing the PH at all. He also told me killing mobs that spawn near the PH will interfere with AC popping. It was just an incorrect interpretation of how AC cycle works. Thanks for answer though concerning killing vs. sitting.
Linking the rule thread with no other commentary doesn't answer my question. I explained in my post that I understand the rules, and am asking how they would be applied here in this awkward situation.
Well then stop smoking crack!!!!
karsten
12-17-2010, 01:11 AM
Common knowledge that the SRO AC PH must be killed within a certain timeframe, otherwise it will be near impossible to spawn aside from accidently killing it when it should be.
Common knowledge does not mean everyone knows this though, but for the next time you run through -- you will.
I personally would be in favor of the dude camping the mob simply because i know how it works, and 90% of the server tends to respect the fact the SRO PH must be killed at a specific time.
yeah, this strikes me as a time where leaving it up but staying "on top" of the spawn would certainly still count
Well then stop smoking crack!!!!
You are a fucking moron, Sir. I constantly see you posting inane shit in peoples threads. This guy is asking a completely valid question so let me just link the server Camp Rules because that way everyone will think i am funny and smart. Instead of chillin on your pedestal way up there and tossing insults down at us mere mortals you should maybe try SHUTTING THE FUCK UP.
Omnimorph
12-17-2010, 11:57 AM
You are a fucking moron, Sir. I constantly see you posting inane shit in peoples threads. This guy is asking a completely valid question so let me just link the server Camp Rules because that way everyone will think i am funny and smart. Instead of chillin on your pedestal way up there and tossing insults down at us mere mortals you should maybe try SHUTTING THE FUCK UP.
Inb4 the "umadbro?"
There's alot of trolls knocking about, they post about anything.
... like meeee~
Gaaaaavin
12-17-2010, 12:08 PM
If he had just inherrited the camp he likely had to wait for the right time to kill. If you kill the PH at night, the PH is going to spawn again as a day spawn, which = no ac. Sorry, dude, but ac camp is a bit unique. You probably unintentionally screwed that guy out of about an hour of his time for him to get the spawn timer right again.
WitnessBard
12-17-2010, 12:15 PM
If he had just inherrited the camp he likely had to wait for the right time to kill. If you kill the PH at night, the PH is going to spawn again as a day spawn, which = no ac. Sorry, dude, but ac camp is a bit unique. You probably unintentionally screwed that guy out of about an hour of his time for him to get the spawn timer right again.
He understands this. We all know how AC works. What he is asking is by strict interpretation of the server camp rules, can you actually "claim" a camp where you aren't actually killing the PH/rare when they spawn?
My take: As far as the rules go you didn't do anything wrong, but it's probably a dick move to intentionally do this to someone. Big gray area though.
Ihealyou
12-17-2010, 12:28 PM
Inb4 the "umadbro?"
There's alot of trolls knocking about, they post about anything.
... like meeee~
http://i54.tinypic.com/5nsoqr.jpg
Gaaaaavin
12-17-2010, 12:38 PM
He understands this. We all know how AC works. What he is asking is by strict interpretation of the server camp rules, can you actually "claim" a camp where you aren't actually killing the PH/rare when they spawn?
My take: As far as the rules go you didn't do anything wrong, but it's probably a dick move to intentionally do this to someone. Big gray area though.
Gotta love how even trying to be helpful gets you trolled around here.
Sorry if you deemed my explanation unecessary but it was my interpretation that he didn't quite understand the mechanic since he thought it was okay to kill the PH at any time at night and could thus claim the camp because of that fact. And obviously we don't all know how the AC works or this post wouldn't be here.
If the rules worked the way the op wants them to then no one would own the sro ac camp for more than one spawn cycle. Which is why I said the ac was a unique camp when it comes to the rules. I've seen disputes settled by GMs regarding ownership of a camp if someone isn't killing the PH the instant it spawns. The camp goes to the guy camping it in most cases. Since this is a unique camp, it can't opperate under the same rules as, say, frenzy, where timing doesn't matter.
Now if you were to watch this guy and a full in-game 24 hours went by without him killing the PH, you would have a case to take over the camp and, imo, in the right to do it.
Winobot
12-17-2010, 12:45 PM
Killing the ph at 10 am means your next spawn will be 8 pm. The trick then is to kill the 8 pm ph ASAP so you will get another spawn at 6 am, technically night still. If the 6 am spawn is a ph you wait until 10 am to kill it; rinse, repeat. This method allows two potential night spawns.
An SG in the mix can definitely screw you up, which is why if he borked his timing and knew the next spawn would be during the day, he may have just wanted to leave the ph up until 10 am, ensuring a swift kill and a prompt 8 pm spawn.
To answer your question directly -- if he was at or near the spawn (I think on this server it is generally accepted that the hill north of the ud tower and west of the dervs is the ac "camp" spot) and you ran in and killed the ph, you encroached on his camp. You should always check the area prior to engaging a ph there. People love to afk in that spot with a pet up, and I know a few have been booted to char select by a gm because of it.
Hope this answers your question. By what you've said, it seems you were in the wrong.
Teensy Weensy
12-17-2010, 01:03 PM
You just messed up his PH cycle.
Teensy Weensy
12-17-2010, 01:06 PM
game time does not start until 9pm from what I read. So if you kill that PH at 10 you will have a daytime spawn at 8pm. If you kill it at 11am it will be a night spawn at 9pm game time. I read that on the big thread about the AC spawn and nigth/daytime mechanics. You may want to confirm, but I read P99 is 9pm to 7am = night. 8am-8pm = day. Can anyone confirm? There are so many people saying so many different things.
xshayla701
12-17-2010, 01:38 PM
http://i54.tinypic.com/5nsoqr.jpg
I appreciate this
RapidScotch
12-17-2010, 01:43 PM
His pictures are adorable, I still have the one he made of me *tear* ^-^
You are a fucking moron, Sir. I constantly see you posting inane shit in peoples threads. This guy is asking a completely valid question so let me just link the server Camp Rules because that way everyone will think i am funny and smart. Instead of chillin on your pedestal way up there and tossing insults down at us mere mortals you should maybe try SHUTTING THE FUCK UP.
This thread like a lot of threads on these forums are pointless and just pathetic. The camping rules are obvious to any smart player. If there is a dispute then petition a GM, that fucking simple.
I could just sit back and do nothing with troll/retard posts. However, just as some chooses to be a fucking retard, I choose to be a fucking asshole. Isn't freedom is speech grand?
One last thing. If you can't get the heat, get out of the fucking kitchen! Glad to see that you are reading my posts. :)
Winobot
12-17-2010, 02:09 PM
Enough of this twaddle.
Teensy, you are right sir. I could have sworn kith mobs started spawning at 8PM, but I default to the P99 FAQ.
When does in-game night start and end?
Night time is 9pm to 7am (10 in-game hours)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002
Gaaaaavin
12-17-2010, 02:15 PM
game time does not start until 9pm from what I read. So if you kill that PH at 10 you will have a daytime spawn at 8pm. If you kill it at 11am it will be a night spawn at 9pm game time. I read that on the big thread about the AC spawn and nigth/daytime mechanics. You may want to confirm, but I read P99 is 9pm to 7am = night. 8am-8pm = day. Can anyone confirm? There are so many people saying so many different things.
This is correct.
Seaweedpimp
12-17-2010, 02:26 PM
This thread like a lot of threads on these forums are pointless and just pathetic. The camping rules are obvious to any smart player. If there is a dispute then petition a GM, that fucking simple.
I could just sit back and do nothing with troll/retard posts. However, just as some chooses to be a fucking retard, I choose to be a fucking asshole. Isn't freedom is speech grand?
One last thing. If you can't get the heat, get out of the fucking kitchen! Glad to see that you are reading my posts. :)
SO
ANGRY
MUST
FLAME
Seaweedpimp
12-17-2010, 02:36 PM
PS: Incase anyone ever feels like helping yak out with anything expect to recieve this as a personal thank you.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23558
PS: Incase anyone ever feels like helping yak out with anything expect to recieve this as a personal thank you.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23558
I asked a perfectly normal question for help with a command, after doing my research and being able to articulate myself properly.
For someone you decided to troll my post and put your nose where it didn't belong and go full retard on me. Stop being butt hurt and move the fuck along!!!
Seaweedpimp
12-17-2010, 03:09 PM
I asked a perfectly normal question for help with a command, after doing my research and being able to articulate myself properly.
For someone you decided to troll my post and put your nose where it didn't belong and go full retard on me. Stop being butt hurt and move the fuck along!!!
Im still trying to figure out how you think i "trolled" you there. Anyone else see this?
I feel sorry for you yak. I honestly do.
MMO smack talk? rly?
:p
gprater
12-17-2010, 03:49 PM
I didnt know that how the camped worked..i simply killed everything in the area around the spawn point and in 2 or 3 day/night cycles it spawned. If you are gonna leav the thing along you should at least follow the damn thing around. Cause like Hobby said common knowledge isnt so common.
yak every post you make makes you sound more and more like an infantile drooling retard than some articulate intellectual.
Gaaaaavin
12-17-2010, 04:36 PM
I didnt know that how the camped worked..i simply killed everything in the area around the spawn point and in 2 or 3 day/night cycles it spawned. If you are gonna leav the thing along you should at least follow the damn thing around. Cause like Hobby said common knowledge isnt so common.
The mob paths a total of a few feet back and forth, but in the end that as well is a moot point because the first thing you should do is...
/ooc camp check!
True not everyone knows how to spawn the ac, but that doesn't mean it should be a free for all if the PH is up. Just play nice, folks. If someone is camping it, however they choose to camp it, respect their camp. Don't try to think of a way to apply the rules so that you can "legally" steal it. (not accusing you of this, guy I quoted, but just a comment in general)
LevinJ
12-17-2010, 04:59 PM
A couple things...
(1) thank you for the constructive responses.
(2) My question was mostly hypothetical, the question occurred to me after a different event that got me thinking about it (I just took my law school final exams, that's what law students do).
(3) After re-reading my post, I recognize I did not properly articulate what really happened until a later response. The guy was not doing the timer trick. He was of the belief that you do not kill the PH [[AT ALL]] to make the AC spawn. Thus, he was "camping" it but killing nothing.
Salty
12-17-2010, 05:03 PM
The AC only has a chance to spawn at a certain time of day. That's actually how the camp works: you leave the PH alone until 10AM(?) gametime, and then there is a chance it will spawn at 8PM(?) gametime.
There's one spawn in South Ro with a 30.66666666 minute repop time that has a 10% chance of being the ancient cyclops, but he has to spawn at night. He's on the same spawn table with a_desert_madman, a_dervish_cutthroat, a_sand_giant, and a_mummy.
ENCOUNTER_DESCRIPTION SROHusamAncientNightfall
MONSTER_1_NAME a_desert_madman
MONSTER_1_NIGHT_NAME an_ancient_cyclops
MONSTER_1_PERCENT 10
MONSTER_2_NAME a_sand_giant
MONSTER_2_NIGHT_NAME a_mummy
MONSTER_2_PERCENT 20
MONSTER_3_NAME a_sand_giant
MONSTER_3_PERCENT 10
MONSTER_4_NAME a_dervish_cutthroat
MONSTER_4_PERCENT 30
MONSTER_5_NAME a_desert_madman
MONSTER_5_PERCENT 30
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=143508#top
Kassel
12-17-2010, 05:44 PM
yak every post you make makes you sound more and more like an infantile drooling retard than some articulate intellectual.
This, and his sig is too big, no one cares about your facebook page.
Tisroc
12-17-2010, 06:27 PM
I think the original poster is confused. There is 3 different spawns all on the same spot/path, a 6 min 12min? and the 30 min. The 30 min spawn is the PH, most people camping AC don't want people running through and killing the 6 min and 12 min ones either, possibly for two reasons either because they don't want a sand giant popping at same time AC spawn may pop or they just don't want a noob spawning sand giants.
If someone is on hill camping and is active at some pt between 9pm and 1am then leave them alone, wth is complicated about that?
If you want a more straightforward camp go out to OOT and sit and wait your turn.
This, and his sig is too big, no one cares about your facebook page.
So women have told me. ;)
I asked a perfectly normal question for help with a command, after doing my research and being able to articulate myself properly.
For someone you decided to troll my post and put your nose where it didn't belong and go full retard on me. Stop being butt hurt and move the fuck along!!!
If you're going to act like a troll at least do it in the proper forum.
gprater
12-18-2010, 10:38 AM
The mob paths a total of a few feet back and forth, but in the end that as well is a moot point because the first thing you should do is...
)
Ahhh I see....the OP made it sound like it was roaming the zone.
I enter SRO, find AC PH walking around the zone at night, kill it.
as I said I never let anything move...killed it instantly...so then if it only moves a few feet and the normal camp spot is the small ridge 5 meters or so south, then the camper would have been present and well within /say range. Yea i be a little angry too, but If i were the camper I would have immediately sent a tell or said something to stop him before he killed it.
my 2 cents and done
If you're going to act like a troll at least do it in the proper forum.
Takes one to know one. :D
Rahnza
12-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Guys Yak's 12 years old and just found out about EverQuest. Leave him alone.
Seeatee
12-18-2010, 08:24 PM
heres a question.
what if you have a camp, and a merchant is near by, say a 20 - 30 second run from the camp, you get all full up on loot, and run over to the merchant, 20 seconds there, 30 seconds to sell, 20 seconds back, is that still your camp or can someone else claim the camp while you are such a short distance away selling while the camp is cleared out?
Alexzia
12-18-2010, 09:12 PM
Enough of this twaddle.
Teensy, you are right sir. I could have sworn kith mobs started spawning at 8PM, but I default to the P99 FAQ.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002
I'm pretty sure this was changed to the proper 8-6 timing, but he faq was never updated.
zenoo
12-19-2010, 03:28 PM
If the guy wasn't killing PH's at all then he isn't camping anything and you didn't do anything wrong, he might as well have been AFK from my interpretation of how EQ works. You can't just be wrong about how a camp works and tell the server no jboots today guys!
I'd say if someone kills at least 1 ph a day and is sitting in the right spot they have full rights, if not forget it.
And , stop responding to trolls that's how you make them go away.
Auchae
12-19-2010, 11:35 PM
I know the topic is about rule interpretation, but I'm gonna add to the facts about Yak. I actually went ahead and listened to his podcast and, while much of the things he talks about concerning P1999 are incorrect, I talked to him in comments briefly before he ever started trolling the forums. Seemed like a decent guy, until..
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23244
I didn't understand a single thing he was trying to tell me. Maybe I WAS confused?
Or maybe he's just a jackass. I wanted another's input, so thank you, Ames. You hit the nail on the head.
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