Europa

[Skew]

If thats your idea of "dungeon crawling" in ToV , just gtfo and do everyone else , and yourselves , a favour.
On the latest progression server i do believe there are instances. Check it out.

[AzzarTheGod]

If thats your idea of "dungeon crawling" in ToV , just gtfo and do everyone else , and yourselves , a favour.
On the latest progression server i do believe there are instances. Check it out.

whats going on?

cliffs

[Swish]

Some no name forum account mad about a subforum he can't post in.

Should at least post the offending material OP, 1*

[Skew]

Some no name forum account mad about a subforum he can't post in.

Should at least post the offending material OP, 1*

Shut up you turd , raiders are ranting. Go and post cat pics in the OT forum.

[manguard]

someone's mad

[Cecily]

How fucking dare they come into ToV without a Crown of Rile?

[AzzarTheGod]

So the gist I got is that Europa is taking up raid space with subpar gear, mobilization, and equipment and cockblocking more worthy guilds from doing the content?

[Gimp]

How fucking dare they come into ToV without a Crown of Rile?

I think he's more talking about how they bitched and moaned about changes to ToV and fighting up and shit, and then they get FTE on Iki and proceed to shit on themselves for an hour and get nowhere near pulling him.

That's just the gist I got from passively listening.

[raato]

Our little adventure sure didn't go well, but hey it was a fun learning experience! Next time we might get past that NToV door without training ourselves. 1 hour seems to be a very short time to get those mobs without train pulling, but we are obsessed on playing the game like we want to play it, like you are obsessed on playing it like you want to play.

It sure didnt help much getting spammed by Awakened to let them kill it for us or pull it for us and aftewards getting blamed for ruining their chance at Dozekar FTE when they really ruined it for themselves by FTEing another mob when Doze was in window. Atleast Aftermath tried to dungeon crawling to Dozekar instead of spamming us to log out or move away or stuff like that when we are trying to proceed with limited timeframe and knowledge of the zone, props for that!

And btw, 1 of the trains we got on us was result of backwash from FTE racers, but hard to pinpoint who was responsible for that from all the 20+ runners.

Anyways, we will probably be back next week and do the exact same thing, hopefully without training ourselves. So bear with us and stop with all the hating, let us play the game like we want to.

[Gimp]

Our little adventure sure didn't go well, but hey it was a fun learning experience! Next time we might get past that NToV door without training ourselves. 1 hour seems to be a very short time to get those mobs without train pulling, but we are obsessed on playing the game like we want to play it, like you are obsessed on playing it like you want to play.

It sure didnt help much getting spammed by Awakened to let them kill it for us or pull it for us and aftewards getting blamed for ruining their chance at Dozekar FTE when they really ruined it for themselves by FTEing another mob when Doze was in window. Atleast Aftermath tried to dungeon crawling to Dozekar instead of spamming us to log out or move away or stuff like that when we are trying to proceed with limited timeframe and knowledge of the zone, props for that!

And btw, 1 of the trains we got on us was result of backwash from FTE racers, but hard to pinpoint who was responsible for that from all the 20+ runners.

Anyways, we will probably be back next week and do the exact same thing, hopefully without training ourselves. So bear with us and stop with all the hating, let us play the game like we want to.

hah

[Freakish]

Hollar if you've ever killed an NToV dragon on its spawn point!

[Swish]

This thread is super productive so far and I'm glad to see everyone has worked out their differences.

[khanable]

Hollar if you've ever killed an NToV dragon on its spawn point!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMD5R8stRc

[raato]

Hollar if you've ever killed an NToV dragon on its spawn point!

CSG did kill Cekenar at it spawn point 13/3/2016.

[Cecily]

So they blocked the hardcores for an hour using their hour how they wanted to? That's hilarious. Do it again.

[Mistle]

Working as intended.

[Skew]

Ikitar is tough though. Being so close to zone is also deceptive , probably should make it 2 hours on an FTE.
How long do you think you'll need for Lady M? Day? Day and a half?

No one has a problem with you playing how you want to play. People have a problem with you dictating how others have to play.

Thank fuck Uthgard beta is close.

[Kodim]

Coth to Eashen stairs next time and bypass that wyvern door of hell.

[gummab]

Ikitar is tough though. Being so close to zone is also deceptive , probably should make it 2 hours on an FTE.
How long do you think you'll need for Lady M? Day? Day and a half?

No one has a problem with you playing how you want to play. People have a problem with you dictating how others have to play.

Thank fuck Uthgard beta is close.

I laughed so hard my nut's dropped.

[Troubled]

Hollar if you've ever killed an NToV dragon on its spawn point!

From August to December. ;)

[Ciroco]

People have a problem with you dictating how others have to play.

[Culkasi]

People have a problem with you dictating how others have to play.

Lol. Just lol.
I know I apparently need to explain this to you many more times before you understand it, but I'll try. We haven't tried to dicate how you should play - we have just asked for a space on the server. The current ruleset is not a ruleset CSG or Europa asked for. We asked for an hour to kill a mob instead of the insane zone pulls. We tried to kill a mob yesterday the way the intention of the rule was (you get an hour to clear up to the mob and kill it) but because you guys don't want to play that way and insist on the insane zone pulls, and staff allows it, you trained us a few times, and we ddin't get to kill the mob. Who again is dictating how to play? Your way or the highway right? You got to kill dragons last night, we didn't. I guess your way of playing is the one that dictates whats happening, not ours. Grats, you won Everquest.

[Godefroi]

I mean we welcomed europa in HoT the other day as we had been there for 3 hours already.

They asked us to coth their mage since they coud not get link setup. To which I answered that they we were welcome to come in another spot but that we wouldnt help them to get there as some minis were up.

Culkasi then proceeded to complain in tells to detoxx saying we were asses and that our pullers were training them...

I have lost 2 minutes of my life writing that, kindly fuck you and suck my french dong.

[Godefroi]

Your #podemos or #nuitdebout attitude won't get you anywhete Culkasi, if you want to pretend you are thr good guys, it's time to act as such.

[Culkasi]

I mean we welcomed europa in HoT the other day as we had been there for 3 hours already.

They asked us to coth their mage since they coud not get link setup. To which I answered that they we were welcome to come in another spot but that we wouldnt help them to get there as some minis were up.

Culkasi then proceeded to complain in tells to detoxx saying we were asses and that our pullers were training them...

I have lost 2 minutes of my life writing that, kindly fuck you and suck my french dong.

We asked you kindly if you would coth our mage. You didn't want to help with that, and that is fair.
You then also refused to tell me where you were pulling so I could move my mage into a safe spot where I could coth down people without getting trained by you.
I asked Detoxx if he could put me in touch with someone who actually wanted to talk to me and let me know how to avoid disrupting your pulls and get my guild coth'd in safely. He did. And then we moved into a spot and we never bothered each other.

To me, it seems like, if you had answerd my question in the first place, we'd both come out of this feeling pretty good about each other?

[Culkasi]

Your #podemos or #nuitdebout attitude won't get you anywhete Culkasi, if you want to pretend you are thr good guys, it's time to act as such.

I am sorry Aftermath has somehow gotten this view of Europa. I don't really understand why as we have never trained you, never disrupted your raids, and never really done anything to get in your way. What did I do exactly to get on your shitlist?

[Piercesyu]

Your #podemos or #nuitdebout attitude won't get you anywhete

No te lo perdonaré jamás, Manuela Culkasi. Jamás

[Skew]

Lol. Just lol.
I know I apparently need to explain this to you many more times before you understand it, but I'll try. We haven't tried to dicate how you should play - we have just asked for a space on the server. The current ruleset is not a ruleset CSG or Europa asked for. We asked for an hour to kill a mob instead of the insane zone pulls. We tried to kill a mob yesterday the way the intention of the rule was (you get an hour to clear up to the mob and kill it) but because you guys don't want to play that way and insist on the insane zone pulls, and staff allows it, you trained us a few times, and we ddin't get to kill the mob. Who again is dictating how to play? Your way or the highway right? You got to kill dragons last night, we didn't. I guess your way of playing is the one that dictates whats happening, not ours. Grats, you won Everquest.


No one trained you. You trained yourselves.
We didnt even pull Doze out of his wing until you had finished shitting all over your pants for an hour. You didnt even make it to Eashan steps. And you want to clear up to NTOV? k.

[Breaken]

I am sure our "spamming" you did not cause your members to train the wyverns over and over. We offered you two things for you to allow us to play the game the way we wanted to, just like you were allowed to play it how you wanted to. We offered to help you kill him and we offered to just pull him to you so you can kill him without us. I personally thought option two was more than fair. You set your raid up in our way, blocking us from being able to pull. You also tried to force Aftermath to go into HoT, which they did not.

[Thiefboy777]

Some no name forum account mad about a subforum he can't post in.

Should at least post the offending material OP, 1*

Once again, you are 100% wrong. Please never post again you fucking retard.

[Lammy]

Sounds like Europa wants to dictate how aftermath raids. again.

[Swish]

Once again, you are 100% wrong. Please never post again you fucking retard.

You know him then? Who are you? Just another mad anon account rofl.

Do you speak to people around you like this? I'm concerned for your well being.

[raato]

You can raid the content how ever you like and so can we. We arent trying to dictate anything. We just follow the current ruleset and play by it the way we see is fit for us, sorry if that causes any troubles. But thats the way it is.

If we think its fun to wipe at NToV doorway for 1 hour while learning new things, we can do that. And we will do that in the future too.

And if we played this game to get free pulls or kills or pixels, we would have joined to A/As bandwagon long time ago. We play to do new things and kill new bosses, and getting them handed to us for free isnt very exciting.

[schnickusaurus]

Guys we shouldnt rly rant this much.

Ya'll fail to see the bigger picture here,

As Europa I would ask Skew to change heading to CSG since that wasnt a Europa raid

Anyways be nice to each other, we are all linked here
I made probably 500k plat on hasty Awakened/Aftermath/Rampage members letting me lowball them then to resell higher. How could I hate my best customers? I cant ;)

Alot of good Europa pre-geared then left to Rampage etc. Their good reputation was prime recruitment effect

Alot Aftermath/Awakened make alot of noise thinking they will last long. Dont be so sure you will, and by that time you might think again how your reputation is

We are linked, i havent read all but I assume this post is from Awakened?
Bad rep to them in my eyes.

CSG we should use coth agree on that point :)
1 hr is real nice in combo with coth. Sounds safe n solid

[Cecily]

This is exactly what you guys get for not clearing to spawn.

[Swish]

Alot of good Europa pre-geared then left to Rampage etc.

http://i.imgur.com/Po1xCg2.gif

[Spyder73]

Killing boss mobs w/o killing the trash is the most insane thing to me about the entire server…unintended consequence of feign death I suppose.

#ThereAreNoWinnersHere

[zanderklocke]

If thats your idea of "dungeon crawling" in ToV , just gtfo and do everyone else , and yourselves , a favour.
On the latest progression server i do believe there are instances. Check it out.

Why do you put spaces on both sides of commas?

[Legday]

ToV is designed like shit for multiple guilds trying to kill in north unless everybody is train pulling. CSG and the like are uninterested in that style of pulling and you can't really blame them.

But that doesn't change the fact that if you have 1 playstyle and pullstyle (train pulling) versus another playstyle/pullstyle(clearing) it's never going to work. The zone isn't meant to handle it.

Nothing to see here. Petitions/qq/etc. from both sides inc until the end of (p1999) time.

[Culkasi]

Sounds like Europa wants to dictate how aftermath raids. again.

Only if you refuse to read anything I've written. Ever.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

We are linked, i havent read all but I assume this post is from Awakened?
Bad rep to them in my eyes.

You should really read the entire post before you make assumptions. Skew is from Aftermath.

[khanable]

what's with the euro on euro hostility

sounds like ya'll need some democratic liberation

http://i.imgur.com/pWOtv9r.jpg

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/HZSXDU2.gif

[Skew]

what's with the euro on euro hostility

sounds like ya'll need some democratic liberation

http://i.imgur.com/pWOtv9r.jpg

Brexit2016

[Loke]

Bring back no-CSR raid rules. No rules VP was some of the most fun I had on this server even though TMO was smoking us 90% of the time. No rules ToV would be glorious chaos.

[Lammy]

If you read back. Europa doesn't want you to have fun your way.

[snead]

You can raid the content how ever you like and so can we. We arent trying to dictate anything. We just follow the current ruleset and play by it the way we see is fit for us, sorry if that causes any troubles. But thats the way it is.

If we think its fun to wipe at NToV doorway for 1 hour while learning new things, we can do that. And we will do that in the future too.

And if we played this game to get free pulls or kills or pixels, we would have joined to A/As bandwagon long time ago. We play to do new things and kill new bosses, and getting them handed to us for free isnt very exciting.

this content isn't new. these bosses aren't new. this content has existed for 16 years.

[Swish]

pvp would fix a lot of these "problems"

[Susano]

Clearing to dragons will never work with variance, you need to have one or the other.

Glad leadership in Rampage saw the writing on the wall and helped some of us step back from raiding so we could avoid this clusterfuck of a situation the raid scene is in now.

EQ was never about this millennial "Everyone gets a gold star" bullshit and you're all delusional if you think pixels for everyone is "classic".

[bktroost]

Clearing to dragons will never work with variance, you need to have one or the other.

Glad leadership in Rampage saw the writing on the wall and helped some of us step back from raiding so we could avoid this clusterfuck of a situation the raid scene is in now.

EQ was never about this millennial "Everyone gets a gold star" bullshit and you're all delusional if you think pixels for everyone is "classic".

Be gone plebeian! Rome is gone and we are building a new world structure!

[Malbolshia]

There is a reason that minimum speed limits exist on major highways...

[Swish]

There is a reason that minimum speed limits exist on major highways...

You were a learner once...

[Dolalin]

Free-for-alls aren't sustainable. This is thrown into stark relief in a supply-constrained environment like the raid scene on this server. Either you find a way to work together and share, or life becomes miserable for everyone. It's about growing up.

[Turp]

It sure didnt help much getting spammed by Awakened to let them kill it for us or pull it for us and aftewards getting blamed for ruining their chance at Dozekar FTE when they really ruined it for themselves by FTEing another mob when Doze was in window. Atleast Aftermath tried to dungeon crawling to Dozekar instead of spamming us to log out or move away or stuff like that when we are trying to proceed with limited timeframe and knowledge of the zone, props for that!

TMO used to "help" too, mainly just to keep mobs from competing guilds.
No surprise there.

Only if you refuse to read anything I've written. Ever. Like.

I am one of the leaders of the casual guilds. I have no opinion on variance (as long as A A are willing to do what you are willing to do, 10 min variance or 16 hour variance only affects how many mobs A A are able to do without burning out)
#moREREpops2016 #rotate99

It has already been established that Lower variance will not help and the idea is out the window now.

Both sides should stop bitching about racing because it is what both sides pushed for , be it direct or not. 1 hour is plenty of time and no one should complain. Who cares if they want to wipe for 1 hour or whatever. It is their 1 hour to do with as they please.
Its the rules, both sides need to deal with it and enjoy.
If they train you or cause problems then settle it and move along.
Nothing besides rules are going to change without a variance improvement.
Same shit different day.

[Swish]

It has already been established that Lower variance will not help and the idea is out the window now.

Both sides should stop bitching about racing because it is what both sides pushed for , be it direct or not. 1 hour is plenty of time and no one should complain. Who cares if they want to wipe for 1 hour or whatever. It is their 1 hour to do with as they please.
Its the rules, both sides need to deal with it and enjoy.
If they train you or cause problems then settle it and move along.
Nothing besides rules are going to change without a variance improvement.
Same shit different day.

I felt like putting random parts in bold for funzies <3

[Swish]

PS: rotations don't work, history proved that.

[portplz]

Those who can DO .. those who cant join CSG / Europa and listen to Raato bitch and moan. The ./ignore list grows.

[Turp]

PS: rotations don't work, history proved that.

I know but casual side still pushed for more repops or rotations in the meeting , which in directly got racing rules setup. Which they knew beforehand what would happen but ignored it. so no reason to bicker ya know? reap what you sow ...is old news and same shit will continue until they look at variance.

Is 13,946 the max post p99 forums can count? Seen ya been stuck at that since our last encounter

[Phantasm]

You are all beginning to realize BDAs brilliance postVelious release. Play possum and take out easy.

All <Empire>s crumble, and BDA will be there to return order to the realm

[jcr4990]

Killing boss mobs w/o killing the trash is the most insane thing to me about the entire server…unintended consequence of feign death I suppose.

#ThereAreNoWinnersHere

Really is kind of crazy when you stop and think about it. None of these dragons were intended to be killed without clearing the trash leading up to them. If they wanted you to skip everything they wouldn't have put see invis mobs in the way. ToV should take HOURS to clear. Instead every dragon dies in less than 5 minutes cause everyone basically exploits game mechanics to bypass playing the game the way it was designed to be played. I don't know about you guys servers but my classic server fought dragons on or very near their spawn point every time.

Just another way this server isn't classic I guess. Meanwhile OMG GET RID OF BUFF TIMERS NOT CLASSIC.

[Detoxx]

You are all beginning to realize BDAs brilliance postVelious release. Play possum and take out easy.

All <Empire>s crumble, and BDA will be there to return order to the realm

Many guilds have "crumbled" and BDA stays right where its been....

[khanable]

Many guilds have "crumbled" and BDA stays right where its been....

BDA the high school chicks of p99

http://i.imgur.com/SpUVkxk.jpg

[Stormfists]

So... this is the new and improved Aftermath PR campaign we heard so much about?

[Aviann]

So... this is the new and improved Aftermath PR campaign we heard so much about?

No, this is clearly a thread about Europa... I could be wrong, but I mean... it is the title of it sooooo....

[Stormfists]

No, this is clearly a thread about Europa... I could be wrong, but I mean... it is the title of it sooooo....

[Thiefboy777]

Do you speak to people around you like this?

I do tend to tell people the truth. You post bad/wrong information on every single thread no matter the forum. If that doesn't make you "fucking retarded" I dunno what does.

[REMEZ]

Wow, challenge pixels on 16 year old game and people go apeshit, keep the tears coming please, they taste so good!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

leash the damn dragons and put a 10 minute cooldown on coth in Velious zones and make every mob in tov cast snare.

No one except gimps enjoys this "classic" experience of the Velious era. Europa rules.

[EvilQuest]

europa's a shitcan for some of the most whiny players no one can understand. nothing has ever spawned in their prime time etc

[Swish]

I do tend to tell people the truth. You post bad/wrong information on every single thread no matter the forum. If that doesn't make you "fucking retarded" I dunno what does.

Sounds like you're high on the autism scale, no wonder you like high end elf sim raiding.

[Ravager]

Sounds like you're high on the autism scale, no wonder you like high end elf sim raiding.

How many people will it take to call you on your bullshit before you finally realize you're the one with the problems?

[Swish]

How many people will it take to call you on your bullshit before you finally realize you're the one with the problems?

You're angry in every post guaranteed but I have problems? Bless you.

[Phantasm]

11 posts in this thread Swish, take it easy.

You should roll a toon on blue so people don't look at you like a misinformed English fuck that plays on red. At least that way you could pretend to understand raiding

[Tasslehofp99]

thread is lolzy as fuck, would check back again in a day or so

[Swish]

11 posts in this thread Swish, take it easy.

You should roll a toon on blue so people don't look at you like a misinformed English fuck that plays on red. At least that way you could pretend to understand raiding

I think you're more misinformed than me lol

[Turp]

11 posts in this thread Swish, take it easy.

You should roll a toon on blue so people don't look at you like a misinformed English fuck that plays on red. At least that way you could pretend to understand raiding

lol gl

[Stormfists]

europa's a shitcan for some of the most whiny players no one can understand. nothing has ever spawned in their prime time etc

Cucksaywhat?

[Spyder73]

Swish was in Europa is I remember correctly - defending his mates it appears

[Spyder73]

But more to the point - yes Swish is unstable and probably gay

[Swish]

Swish was in Europa is I remember correctly - defending his mates it appears

I'm not defending anyone or any guild. If the raid discussion is anything to go by it seems like there's an appetite from some of the old Class R guilds for another rotation...and believe me, getting dicked on by an inflated zerg guild who trashed the old rotation agreement will only happen again :o

If it means denying or taking a slice out of A/A's pixels I'm sure they'll consider it's worth it though. Better to have some access to the top content than none right?

[Turp]

I'm not defending anyone or any guild. If the raid discussion is anything to go by it seems like there's an appetite from some of the old Class R guilds for another rotation...and believe me, getting dicked on by an inflated zerg guild who trashed the old rotation agreement will only happen again :o

If it means denying or taking a slice out of A/A's pixels I'm sure they'll consider it's worth it though. Better to have some access to the top content than none right?

We all know you give them the inch , and then they want the mile.

[Turp]

she said*

[Swish]

We all know you give them the inch , and then they want the mile.

That's generally the way it goes. Ask Chest.

[bspa0700]

Really is kind of crazy when you stop and think about it. None of these dragons were intended to be killed without clearing the trash leading up to them. If they wanted you to skip everything they wouldn't have put see invis mobs in the way. ToV should take HOURS to clear. Instead every dragon dies in less than 5 minutes cause everyone basically exploits game mechanics to bypass playing the game the way it was designed to be played. I don't know about you guys servers but my classic server fought dragons on or very near their spawn point every time.

Just another way this server isn't classic I guess. Meanwhile OMG GET RID OF BUFF TIMERS NOT CLASSIC.

I think you mean "uses". Nobody here established the game mechanics 17 years ago. We are just using the constraints of what exists. Ever heard the phrase, work smarter, not harder?

[bktroost]

I think you mean "uses". Nobody here established the game mechanics 17 years ago. We are just using the constraints of what exists. Ever heard the phrase, work smarter, not harder?

Which it's true if it's work. But it's not. It's the paycheck. Clearing to the mob, killing it and getting something awesome is the actual paycheck. Not just the "something awesome."

It's like wanting some roses and speeding through rose bushes in order to get to the flower shop.

[Maner]

Which it's true if it's work. But it's not. It's the paycheck. Clearing to the mob, killing it and getting something awesome is the actual paycheck. Not just the "something awesome."

It's like wanting some roses and speeding through rose bushes in order to get to the flower shop.

Wouldn't clearing to it and killing it be the work and then the "getting something awesome" be the pay check even in your own analogy?

If you can play smarter, and cut that work down to a bare minimum to get the same pay check, why wouldn't you?

[Troubled]

But more to the point - yes Swish is unstable and probably gay

No doubt about that. Cat lover.

[bspa0700]

Which it's true if it's work. But it's not. It's the paycheck. Clearing to the mob, killing it and getting something awesome is the actual paycheck. Not just the "something awesome."

It's like wanting some roses and speeding through rose bushes in order to get to the flower shop.

Literally nothing you said makes any sense.

All I was saying is that pulling the way that we do is not exploiting. It's not close to exploiting. It's not glitching. It's not taking advantage of bad pathing. It's using established, working as intended game mechanics. Nobody is sitting here saying that someone else is exploiting see invis to see people who are invis.

[Llodd]

Literally nothing you said makes any sense.

All I was saying is that pulling the way that we do is not exploiting. It's not close to exploiting. It's not glitching. It's not taking advantage of bad pathing. It's using established, working as intended game mechanics. Nobody is sitting here saying that someone else is exploiting see invis to see people who are invis.

Working as intended game mechanics . teehee

Do you really think the eq designers had these tactics in mind when they developed the game? Bypassing all the content to get to the boss mobs?

You're playing a bastardised version of your own making that to a lot of us destroys the actual essence of what EQ is.

[bktroost]

Wouldn't clearing to it and killing it be the work and then the "getting something awesome" be the pay check even in your own analogy?

If you can play smarter, and cut that work down to a bare minimum to get the same pay check, why wouldn't you?

No, the work is sitting there at the front line waiting to FTE. The very reason a lot of people to play this game is to experience the dungeon crawling experience that results in an awesome kill on a boss with shineys.

Get rid of that FTE battle and 16 hours of waiting and there is no work...because it is a game...where we shouldn't have to work.

[Maner]

No, the work is sitting there at the front line waiting to FTE. The very reason a lot of people to play this game is to experience the dungeon crawling experience that results in an awesome kill on a boss with shineys.

Get rid of that FTE battle and 16 hours of waiting and there is no work...because it is a game...where we shouldn't have to work.

No, this is clearly the reason you play the game. Dungeon crawling sounds like an entire waste of my time when we can TL pull a dragon to the zone in and kill it in 5min as opposed to 1 hour. I would much rather use that 55min to get ahead in work for the next week, watch a movie, or play some other game while waiting for the next batphone.

[ArumTP]

An hour and CSG couldn't even dungeon crawl and kill ikitar, the closest NTOV dragon. How do you guys expect to dungeon crawl and kill triplets or sisters?

[Sweettouch]

An hour and CSG couldn't even dungeon crawl and kill ikitar, the closest NTOV dragon. How do you guys expect to dungeon crawl and kill triplets or sisters?

Because Asgard didn't struggle at all until they sucked off Forsaken nonstop...They learn by trial and error like anyone else you retard

[jcr4990]

because it is a game...where we shouldn't have to work.

We all lose sight of this far too often (myself included) and its kinda sad. Post after post after post of how these "casual scum" need to "earn" their pixels and "put in the work" and all that shit. Everyone forgets this is a fucking video game and treating it like a literal job shouldn't be required to see all the content.

[Swish]

We all lose sight of this far too often (myself included) and its kinda sad. Post after post after post of how these "casual scum" need to "earn" their pixels and "put in the work" and all that shit. Everyone forgets this is a fucking video game and treating it like a literal job shouldn't be required to see all the content.

You lost sight of it 2 minutes ago in the next thread down. Pull yourself together man.

[ArumTP]

Because Asgard didn't struggle at all until they sucked off Forsaken nonstop...They learn by trial and error like anyone else you retard

Quit being such a bitchy disgruntled BDA member, I'm certain someday you might get some TOV action yourself.

My question still is legitimate. If Ikitar can't get done in an hour how can they aspire to get past the assload of flury drakes and other TOV trash in an hour

[bktroost]

Quit being such a bitchy disgruntled BDA member, I'm certain someday you might get some TOV action yourself.

My question still is legitimate. If Ikitar can't get done in an hour how can they aspire to get past the assload of flury drakes and other TOV trash in an hour


We cothed to PoM, were trained 5 times, killed a flurry drake, two guardian wurms, logged to alts to kill Sev, logged back and killed Cekenar in under 90 minutes. About 60 of that was recovery from wiped to backwash.

When we did ikitiar, we were trained three times. Once in 4 way and three times at eashan stairs. We trained ourselves two additional times. I have 60 minutes of fraps from multiple people that clearly shows mobs that should not be there being trained on us. I replicated our movements in our private server and there was, without a doubt, 3 foreign trains.

But right now this is all so silly. It's two raid styles that cannot coexist in one zone. We are working on trying to adapt without going completely down the rabbit hole. Hopefully both sides can find a place in the middle.

[Tupakk]

No, this is clearly the reason you play the game. Dungeon crawling sounds like an entire waste of my time when we can TL pull a dragon to the zone in and kill it in 5min as opposed to 1 hour. I would much rather use that 55min to get ahead in work for the next week, watch a movie, or play some other game while waiting for the next batphone.

Why would you not want to crawl? Waiting around for batphones is like watching paint dry. Also you can vest in another game if something pops back to back then you would be sacrificing that game for this one.

Crawl Clear Kill Loot. Rinse and repeat.

[Maner]

Why would you not want to crawl? Waiting around for batphones is like watching paint dry. Also you can vest in another game if something pops back to back then you would be sacrificing that game for this one.

Crawl Clear Kill Loot. Rinse and repeat.

2 weeks ago for example I spent over 10 hours face tracking one mob in tov. I was playing division and watching some stream on twitch at the same time due to having 2 monitors and arranging my windows so I am looking directly at the mobs spawn. And I got 3 days ahead on work so that I can take a 3 day weekend this week if I choose to. Its not like I cant pause division or stop doing work that isn't due for another week when the bat phone goes off. However once I finish with an encounter I can go right back to what I was doing, which wouldn't be possible if you had to crawl and clear to a target, and then the next target because of how variance is you would be more likely to be clearing for 5-10 hours straight.

Dungeon crawling is a great excuse as to why you think the server raid rules should be changed. However unless you were one of the original developers, who are you to comment on the current raid scene and if its a exploitation of mechanics. Most speed runners pick games and then break them in order to speed run, and the developers for a vast majority of those games are amazed not upset by how the runners do it. think that this somehow goes against how the game was designed is a joke, as perhaps they developers would be impressed by what is happening and encourage the outside the box thinking.

[Cecily]

2 weeks ago for example I spent over 10 hours face tracking one mob in tov. I was playing division and watching some stream on twitch at the same time due to having 2 monitors and arranging my windows so I am looking directly at the mobs spawn. And I got 3 days ahead on work so that I can take a 3 day weekend this week if I choose to. Its not like I cant pause division or stop doing work that isn't due for another week when the bat phone goes off. However once I finish with an encounter I can go right back to what I was doing, which wouldn't be possible if you had to crawl and clear to a target, and then the next target because of how variance is you would be more likely to be clearing for 5-10 hours straight.

Sounds like you enjoy Everquest.

[Maner]

Sounds like you enjoy Everquest.

I enjoy raiding with my guild and the people I play with or hang out in TS with more than the game itself. Which is the same way it is for every MMO pretty much. That doesn't however translate to me wanting to spend 10 hours clearing the same trash over an over again for 10 different targets, just because some people aren't willing to park their character at a spawn and watch it.

[Kodim]

I think people are confusing clearing all the trash up to a spawn every single week like A/A would have to do, and doing it once a week if that for the other guilds.

It's just another situation that is disagreed upon.

[Lammy]

2 weeks ago for example I spent over 10 hours face tracking one mob in tov. I was playing division and watching some stream on twitch at the same time due to having 2 monitors and arranging my windows so I am looking directly at the mobs spawn. And I got 3 days ahead on work so that I can take a 3 day weekend this week if I choose to. Its not like I cant pause division or stop doing work that isn't due for another week when the bat phone goes off. However once I finish with an encounter I can go right back to what I was doing, which wouldn't be possible if you had to crawl and clear to a target, and then the next target because of how variance is you would be more likely to be clearing for 5-10 hours straight.


Hasn't seen daylight in 2 weeks. Gets groceries delived. Burns out in next 30 days

[Tupakk]

2 weeks ago for example I spent over 10 hours face tracking one mob in tov. I was playing division and watching some stream on twitch at the same time due to having 2 monitors and arranging my windows so I am looking directly at the mobs spawn. And I got 3 days ahead on work so that I can take a 3 day weekend this week if I choose to. Its not like I cant pause division or stop doing work that isn't due for another week when the bat phone goes off. However once I finish with an encounter I can go right back to what I was doing, which wouldn't be possible if you had to crawl and clear to a target, and then the next target because of how variance is you would be more likely to be clearing for 5-10 hours straight.

Dungeon crawling is a great excuse as to why you think the server raid rules should be changed. However unless you were one of the original developers, who are you to comment on the current raid scene and if its a exploitation of mechanics. Most speed runners pick games and then break them in order to speed run, and the developers for a vast majority of those games are amazed not upset by how the runners do it. think that this somehow goes against how the game was designed is a joke, as perhaps they developers would be impressed by what is happening and encourage the outside the box thinking.


I think clearing gives people a reason to play as to socking for 2 days for 15ish Dragons to play for 5 mins you get burned out quick. Yes it isn't ideal right now cause it's a Mon Tues spawn but from how long it takes to do everything else in this game why wouldn't crawling be the vision. Me personally I don't care what rules are in place I stopped raiding to enjoy Norrath. If EQ doesn't hold your attention except for more than 5 mins every 3 hour then you might want to hang up your toon and convince the people you enjoy hanging out with to try something new.

Afeni

[Maner]

I think clearing gives people a reason to play as to socking for 2 days for 15ish Dragons to play for 5 mins you get burned out quick. Yes it isn't ideal right now cause it's a Mon Tues spawn but from how long it takes to do everything else in this game why wouldn't crawling be the vision. Me personally I don't care what rules are in place I stopped raiding to enjoy Norrath. If EQ doesn't hold your attention except for more than 5 mins every 3 hour then you might want to hang up your toon and convince the people you enjoy hanging out with to try something new.

Afeni

who do you think I am playing division or LoL with? its other members of the guild I raid with. When a mob spawns we pause or forfeit and then log on. Its not that I dislike EQ, I wouldn't play if I hated the game, and I have multiple 60s that I play. I am just not able to commit the same amounts of time every week during windows. Even less so if I have to window out 5-10 hours to clear NtoV for 5-10 targets every week. I have done the NToV dungeon crawls before, numerous times on live, and I actually find this way of pulling as being more fun for me now that I am not 15 years old.

[Jaxon]

You know, I'm thinking that the ideal solution would be for Europa/CSG to split their TOV raiding into two days.

Day 1: When mobs are not in window dungeon crawl through NTOV. Declare the raid on hold until...

Day 2: When mobs are in window, race for FTE and pull the dragon to LTK/entrance.

This plan allows any guild to experience classic TOV raiding(multiple days, clearing trash, killing dragons) without inconveniencing anyone else.

http://i.imgur.com/6SVhU6v.jpg

[Cecily]

I am just not able to commit the same amounts of time every week during windows. Even less so if I have to window out 5-10 hours to clear NtoV for 5-10 targets every week. I have done the NToV dungeon crawls before, numerous times on live, and I actually find this way of pulling as being more fun for me now that I am not 15 years old.

You're in a hardcore raiding guild, but that's a pretttty casual rationalization.

It's one thing consider P99's raiding strategies, the same ones we've been using over 3+ years, innovative and outside the box. Could just as easily call them trivializing content. If people had done so on live there were developers there to nerf that type of "playstyle". There isn't here.

[khanable]

Yea original devs had the vision

Anything outside of this vision was taken out back and put down

No chance this shit would fly back in the day

See: rooted ntov mobs

[Maner]

You're in a hardcore raiding guild, but that's a pretttty casual rationalization.

It's one thing consider P99's raiding strategies, the same ones we've been using over 3+ years, innovative and outside the box. Could just as easily call them trivializing content. If people had done so on live there were developers there to nerf that type of "playstyle". There isn't here.

I don't consider it a rationalization, just the way of life. Sometimes real life opens up and I have the entire weekend free, other times things happen and I can only commit to 10min ever couple hours to log in. I'm not 15 and cant commit hours and hours a night to dungeon crawl like I could during vanilla. I can commit 10+ hours every now and then to face track something while I do other things as well. But there is a difference between tracking, where you don't have to be in game and watching so much as just looking over every 30 seconds to 2 min, and having to actively be there and clearing trash.

The real problem that the casual guilds don't see, is that if they get one FTE and get to crawl the dungeon they feel like they achieved what they wanted. However when the hardcore guilds who have been killing the stuff for 8+ months get 6 FTEs a piece and are forced to spend 6+ hours clearing the same trash repeatedly, its just not the same feeling of achievement.

Basically I want to get as much out of the time I have to play the game, that is hampered by these new raid rules and the idea of dungeon crawling.

[khanable]

http://i.imgur.com/fNYguzO.jpg

[Maner]

http://i.imgur.com/fNYguzO.jpg

My GFs tits aren't that big, but that's the gist of it

[Lojik]

Imagine what she'd do if you facetracked for 10 days straight!

[Tupakk]

Imagine what she'd do if you facetracked for 10 days straight!

That would be one hell of a long blowjob. LOL

[bktroost]

Most speed runners pick games and then break them in order to speed run, and the developers for a vast majority of those games are amazed not upset by how the runners do it. think that this somehow goes against how the game was designed is a joke, as perhaps they developers would be impressed by what is happening and encourage the outside the box thinking.

And If Mario were a single server mmo and speed running somehow made it impossible for the non speed runners to play then Nintendo would put a stop to that.

Or make a separate game so the speed runners can really enjoy what they want in a game designed specifically for them, rather than trying to speed run in a game that isn't specifically designed for it...like Super Mario Maker.

[bspa0700]

Working as intended game mechanics . teehee

Do you really think the eq designers had these tactics in mind when they developed the game? Bypassing all the content to get to the boss mobs?

You're playing a bastardised version of your own making that to a lot of us destroys the actual essence of what EQ is.

EQ developers didn't intend Feign Death to be used for pulling. Does that make it exploiting?

The statement wasn't made that train pulling isn't what EQ Devs envisioned. The statement that was made was that it was exploiting. And that statement is unquestionably false.

[Llodd]

EQ developers didn't intend Feign Death to be used for pulling. Does that make it exploiting?

I'm sure that they also didn't think that glux, for example, would be used to get yourself into some nifty situations/places. There were some things they just couldn't forsee but were happy to accept the outcome of because it didn't break the vision they had for the game.

There is a significant difference between unintended consequence and trivializing/bypassing content.

The statement wasn't made that train pulling isn't what EQ Devs envisioned. The statement that was made was that it was exploiting. And that statement is unquestionably false.

I think to an extent the two are interghangeable. Obviously these kites we have now weren't done a decade and a half ago (shits classic right?); mainly because of the technological limitations of the time. If they could and were done would they have addressed them somehow? That's the real question and possibly one that was answered - why did they root ntov mobs?

It's also a question that can be answered by looking at whether or not they addressed other issues with guilds bypassing content. Something that they undeniably did do. Everquest always was about a game of grind and significant time investment. It seems to me it's a logical progression to think that the loot pinata that A/A are currently benefiting from with the tactics they employ would not have sat well with the designers.

[Gorillas]

EQ developers didn't intend Feign Death to be used for pulling. Does that make it exploiting?

The statement wasn't made that train pulling isn't what EQ Devs envisioned. The statement that was made was that it was exploiting. And that statement is unquestionably false.

You're probably a loser if you enjoy train pulls that warp thru walls.

NO LIFFFEEEEERRRRSSSSS AAAASSSSEEEEMMMMBBBBLLLLEEEE

[Dolalin]

It's also a question that can be answered by looking at whether or not they addressed other issues with guilds bypassing content. Something that they undeniably did do. Everquest always was about a game of grind and significant time investment. It seems to me it's a logical progression to think that the loot pinata that A/A are currently benefiting from with the tactics they employ would not have sat well with the designers.

Some very good points here. Classic is a two-way street. The server is classic but the tactics the players use aren't really classic anymore. What needs to be preserved is classic gameplay, otherwise players evolve but the game doesn't, and the whole thing goes to shit.

[Beinen]

Our little adventure sure didn't go well, but hey it was a fun learning experience! Next time we might get past that NToV door without training ourselves. 1 hour seems to be a very short time to get those mobs without train pulling, but we are obsessed on playing the game like we want to play it, like you are obsessed on playing it like you want to play.

It sure didnt help much getting spammed by Awakened to let them kill it for us or pull it for us and aftewards getting blamed for ruining their chance at Dozekar FTE when they really ruined it for themselves by FTEing another mob when Doze was in window. Atleast Aftermath tried to dungeon crawling to Dozekar instead of spamming us to log out or move away or stuff like that when we are trying to proceed with limited timeframe and knowledge of the zone, props for that!

And btw, 1 of the trains we got on us was result of backwash from FTE racers, but hard to pinpoint who was responsible for that from all the 20+ runners.

Anyways, we will probably be back next week and do the exact same thing, hopefully without training ourselves. So bear with us and stop with all the hating, let us play the game like we want to.

Amen!

[Lammy]

Some very good points here. Classic is a two-way street. The server is classic but the tactics the players use aren't really classic anymore. What needs to be preserved is classic gameplay, otherwise players evolve but the game doesn't, and the whole thing goes to shit.

1 week per guild ToV rotations. Must clear trash. Raiding is fun and meaningful again.

[ArumTP]

1 week per guild ToV rotations. Must clear trash. Raiding is fun and meaningful again.


Rotations can't work with variance. Its nice to know when you would be up for a mob, but would be meaningless shit if it finally shows up at 4 am

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Red 99 is ready and waiting

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/Qh9whsG.jpg

[bktroost]

Rotations can't work with variance. Its nice to know when you would be up for a mob, but would be meaningless shit if it finally shows up at 4 am

Rotations absolutely work with a week rotation in ToV. Then you can even speed run and clock the minutes it took from spawn to death for every mob and compare it on the forums to other guilds if that is what drives you. Think Nascar speed tests VS full on races.

[FatMice]

Rotations absolutely work with a week rotation in ToV. Then you can even speed run and clock the minutes it took from spawn to death for every mob and compare it on the forums to other guilds if that is what drives you. Think Nascar speed tests VS full on races.

Please just reroll on Phinny.

[bktroost]

Not interested in tokens instance raiding. All I ask is to not be trained when FTEing a dragon and deciding to kill it near it's spawn point. Pretty much just saying "don't train me bro." This is in the server rules and all.

[Baler]

FTE is stupid.

[Swish]

Not interested in tokens instance raiding. All I ask is to not be trained when FTEing a dragon and deciding to kill it near it's spawn point. Pretty much just saying "don't train me bro." This is in the server rules and all.

gotta prove that train though... which isn't easy, and therefore an often used tactic :o

[Legday]

Not interested in tokens instance raiding. All I ask is to not be trained when FTEing a dragon and deciding to kill it near it's spawn point. Pretty much just saying "don't train me bro." This is in the server rules and all.

Nemce: "We would totally be in ToV if it wasn't for the insanely unethical FTE and pull tactics that those heathen hardcore guilds are using. We are just too good of people to ever do anything resembling a train."

Sirken: OK, rules changed and none of that is a thing anymore.

Nemce: "Can we rotate?"

[Batso]

What a joke

[FatMice]

Not interested in tokens instance raiding. All I ask is to not be trained when FTEing a dragon and deciding to kill it near it's spawn point. Pretty much just saying "don't train me bro." This is in the server rules and all.

Honest question:
Why are you not interested in instance raiding? You seem to really want to play the game your way. In an instance you could do exactly. On top of which you wouldn't ever have to interact with the brothel going hardcore scum you detest of.

Now for my rant:
The whole training is against the rules is unfortunately a poor deflection from the real issue, because when we train mobs it isn't intended to train a person or guild. If this does happen, when we are caught, (yes I said caught) we concede. It's really that simple. You just don't want to deal. Or perhaps you are a masochist?

[Mistle]

Europa should strongly consider Phinigel, seriously. EQ live progression would work so much better for them.

[Lammy]

you have to pay for EQ live. Hard to do when unemployed raider.

[Fuddwin]

We cothed to PoM, were trained 5 times, killed a flurry drake, two guardian wurms, logged to alts to kill Sev, logged back and killed Cekenar in under 90 minutes. About 60 of that was recovery from wiped to backwash.

When we did ikitiar, we were trained three times. Once in 4 way and three times at eashan stairs. We trained ourselves two additional times. I have 60 minutes of fraps from multiple people that clearly shows mobs that should not be there being trained on us. I replicated our movements in our private server and there was, without a doubt, 3 foreign trains.

But right now this is all so silly. It's two raid styles that cannot coexist in one zone. We are working on trying to adapt without going completely down the rabbit hole. Hopefully both sides can find a place in the middle.

Did you guys kill all 6 drakes in the entrance hallway, then clear all of 4 way drakes, then clear the wyverns near Ikitiar, all in less than an hour?

Another question: you trained yourselves? How does this happen?

[Arthros]

[QUOTE=FatMice;2265799]Honest question:
Why are you not interested in instance raiding? You seem to really want to play the game your way. In an instance you could do exactly. On top of which you wouldn't ever have to interact with the brothel going hardcore scum you detest of.


Not that it's any of my business but I'm also interested in the answer to this question b/c it sounds like instance raiding is exactly the environment Nemce desires. No training / "playing the game the way you want to play it" / no interference from other guilds / no pressure to kill a mob within a time frame after FTE. You say you're not interested in "token instance raiding" Nemce, but what are the reasons? You don't owe me or anyone else an explanation, I'm just curious if you're willing to offer one b/c everything you've said so far points towards instance raiding. /shrug

[Arelae]

Another quality night in TOV brought to you by mid 30's man-children.

[gummab]

Fear is the path to the dark side.
Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to RnF.

[Llodd]

http://i.imgur.com/Rqlyy16.png (http://imgur.com/Rqlyy16)

[manguard]

The only way to play this game is by training shit everywhere. I know this is an immutable fact because I've never attempted to play any other way. It's always been this way so it should always BE that way. Other people? heh, these are MY pixels.

[Cecily]

Well.. yeah.

[Pint]

Hollar if you've ever killed an NToV dragon on its spawn point!

Have killed eashen, mirenilla, cekenar, zlexak, sevalak, jorlleag and nevederia on their spawn points #winner

[Merekai]

I skipped to the end here after page 3 or 4, but if people are upset that CSG shit themselves for an hour instead of killing Ikatiar you might take into account that the vast majority of us remember/know jack and shit about NToV and therefore will likely learn via shit fests like the hour without Ikatiar dying to us.

I must say though Raato is spot on about all the fucking tells from every which way about every little thing...I realize most of those were meant to be helpful but I think bottom line is that we want to learn and the hard way(aka training self for x amount of time) is one of the best ways to go about that. Skew you know I am your bud, sorry you don't like us trying to learn the ropes in there but just know nothing is being done to you with malicious intent :)
Maybe if all the bosses were rooted in place....oh how a dwarf can dream right?

Chevey

[Merekai]

No, this is clearly the reason you play the game. Dungeon crawling sounds like an entire waste of my time when we can TL pull a dragon to the zone in and kill it in 5min as opposed to 1 hour. I would much rather use that 55min to get ahead in work for the next week, watch a movie, or play some other game while waiting for the next batphone.

WTB PERMA ROOTED NToV NAMED!

[Didius]

Someone should fix the wiki that says ToV entrance is 100% safe. I have died three times to dragons being pulled here by guilds. Thank you for pulling mobs that AOE the zone in. *sarcasm*

[Relbaic]

Someone should fix the wiki that says ToV entrance is 100% safe. I have died three times to dragons being pulled here by guilds. Thank you for pulling mobs that AOE the zone in. *sarcasm*

Don't complain, you'll just get told to shut up and it needs to be done.

[portbitch69]

Someone should fix the wiki that says ToV entrance is 100% safe. I have died three times to dragons being pulled here by guilds. Thank you for pulling mobs that AOE the zone in. *sarcasm*

They get extra dkp for each person killed because of this