Rogue with epic & haste

[dasdraco]

I have had 2 rogues tell me epic rogues should still get worn haste because it affects BS cooldown. I do not recall this at all from live, and don't have worn haste item atm to test it. Has anyone heard of this or tested it?

[Cecily]

As in get worn haste on top of your ragebringer? If they mean something else besides 41% (faster than epic), they are dumb and you should not listen to them. By all means get a 41 sky belt or grey suede boots, etc. Haste stuff beyond that is just stat gear for us.

[dasdraco]

Ya, they claimed that fbss or any other low end haste along with epic reduced their BS cooldown, which i had never heard and seemed implausible.

[KorafRN]

Haste is not working correctly here. As of last patch they converted items from "Effect: haste" to "haste: +xx%", which affects backstab cool down. This means any haste item that is not sharing the same haste type < Haste: +xx% > will NOT affect backstab cool down. Auto-attack damage is unaffected by this.

I think this also effects kick/bash, but I haven't tested it much.

Up until last patch, most items were NOT <haste: +xx%>. Only a handful, not all, of Velious item had that haste type. Which means for year(s) it was broken.

[Cecily]

Yeah they broke skill timers when they removed visible percentage. And yeah, Rage doesn't show a %... Oh that's dumb.

[KorafRN]

Getting a 36-41% item should be a rogues #1 priority after ragebringer. =\

[dasdraco]

Wow, is this a permanent break or are they going to fix this?

[KorafRN]

I would guess epic item haste will be fixed eventually, but who knows when. I'm sure the next patch won't be for another 2+ months

[Erati]

I am confused - you are saying Seething Fury from Ragebringer no longer gives proper 40% haste to your backstabs and only items that list the effect as "Haste: 40%" are?

[gildor]

That is what OP is saying, yes.

[KorafRN]

I am confused - you are saying Seething Fury from Ragebringer no longer gives proper 40% haste to your backstabs and only items that list the effect as "Haste: 40%" are?


It's been this way for over a year. No one pays attention to their backstab/parses to notice.

[syztem]

Since the patch, with a 41% worn haste item(claw or renards belt on) I am able to get triple duelist backstabs off. Take the 41% haste off with just epic, and I get 2. I notice a big difference in bs refresh timer with 41% haste item on opposed to not on. In logs I have been able to get 3 sep backstabs off in 1 duelist duration with just vog or shissar and still have 2 seconds before duelist faded.

[Pezy]

Finally getting a 41% haste item lowered my BS cooldown by 1-1.2 seconds, resulting in a very substantial DPS boost. I assumed that it was some fucky EQ math rounding, but this makes far more sense.

[KorafRN]

Claw has always had "Haste: +41%", so you've been able to get triple backstabs off prior to the patch. Renards did not.

with Vog and 41%, you should be backstabbing near 5.1s

[dasdraco]

The best i can test this with atm is an RBB, which is only 31%. Will be interesting to see the results. If there is a noticeable difference i can probably upgrade to 36%, but i don't foresee 41% in my near future

[Xaanka]

Oh boy. Sky belt and claw are the only ways to hit 41% yeah?

[Cecily]

Think it's retroactive for any haste item that's not merged into an effect like rogue / ranger epics. My Grey Suede Boots show 41.
And there's a bunch more Velious 41s.

[Xaanka]

wondering what other velious 41's there are. trying to find something attainable (not sky) that won't replace my vyemm fang since it should be higher dps than a claw if i can get 41% elsewhere. just trying to figure out what slots i can get it in etc.

[xKoopa]

Yelinak gloves

[Cecily]

41% and easily obtainable don't go together. There's a listing on this page (http://wiki.project1999.com/Haste_Guide). It's mostly belts.

[dasdraco]

I could not figure out how to get yalp or gina to work, so i could not do any testing. I'll try again soon. I just don't have much time to devote to tinkering with parsers. Is there one thst is recommended for p99?

On a related note, has anyone done the parsing of epic/hoh in mainhand v. Offhand? I vaguely recall doing epic in mainhand and primal in offhand on live.

[Muggens]

It's been this way for over a year. No one pays attention to their backstab/parses to notice.

Its been like this for over a year, really? How come its not been fixed, surely its been reported as a bug? Its quite a severe blow for rogues dps...

[Vicatin]

Any updates here?

[Muggens]

See this thread (no fixed pending update on it) https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240866

[Muggens]

Calling on Rogues! Can you help the -Ragebringer only- rogues on what haste item to get for lowered backstab refresh timer? To my knowledge FBSS, SCHW and RBG does NOT lower BStimer, while a Cloak of Flames does.

Could some rogues time their items and post what timer they get, Im looking for info on Siblisian Bersker Cloak, Runed Bolster Belt, Renard's Belt of Quickness, Cloak of Crystalline Waters etc.

Sucks to blow money on a CoCW for instance and it does not lower backstab timer, just sayin.

For more info:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240866

[Bummey]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_Transience
http://wiki.project1999.com/Silvery_Belt_of_Contention

These both work for a 1-2 second reduction.

[Muggens]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Belt_of_Transience
http://wiki.project1999.com/Silvery_Belt_of_Contention

These both work for a 1-2 second reduction.

Thanks, will try and get the Belt of Transience to begin with then.

Anyone else can do some tests on other haste items, please post results here :D

[backsteppin123]

As in get worn haste on top of your ragebringer? If they mean something else besides 41% (faster than epic), they are dumb and you should not listen to them. By all means get a 41 sky belt or grey suede boots, etc. Haste stuff beyond that is just stat gear for us.

Dang, best rogue on server didn't even know this. Norrath could implode any time now!

[Cecily]

Think I told you to never speak to me again. Didn't know they "fixed" it after year+ break.

Did some testing w/ archery delays today and regardless of worn haste (0%, 27% 40%) my Windstriker fires on a 6 second delay. It seems to be the consensus on the Fleeting Quiver (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6186) discussion page that worn haste should affect archery delay which it currently doesn't. This is major issue for Velious rangers using trueshot disc, and also rogues / monks dependent on UI refresh for damage.

Bump for awareness.

[Freakish]

I've wondered, is 36% haste (Cloak of Flames) + Aura of Battle belt better than 41% haste from sky belt? I haven't done much testing but those are the only two haste items I have and I want to try to get that belt in use if I can.

[Endonde]

I've wondered, is 36% haste (Cloak of Flames) + Aura of Battle belt better than 41% haste from sky belt? I haven't done much testing but those are the only two haste items I have and I want to try to get that belt in use if I can.

It's probably close enough that it doesn't matter either way, but I'd say 41% is probably better. The attack you get from Aura of Battle isn't big enough to make a noticeable difference.

[Cecily]

I think it's literally the same. I'm remembering 10 atk = 1% dps boost from some website I went to ages ago. Between the timer and general attack haste, Sky belt is probably better. I'd give that CoF to your ranger for bow haste... if you ever get your huntsman.

[Freakish]

Right, like I could get WR to max my haste but then I'd be losing 20 attack while only gaining 10. The AoB belt has lots of stats/resists so if it's literally the same I'd probably use the belt and save my fingers a bit on the backstab mashing.

[bdastomper58]

well that changes things

WTB stupidly expensive haste item

[Muggens]

Could someone who owns either confirm if they work?

Sash of the Dragonborn
Runed Bolster Belt
Siblisian Berserker Cloak

[Cecily]

well that changes things

WTB stupidly expensive haste item

Even a 21% from Sky belt drops your timer by 1-2 sec. I did some testing with epic, 21, and 41 a couple weeks ago but I can't find my logs.

Could someone who owns either confirm if they work?

Sash of the Dragonborn
Runed Bolster Belt
Siblisian Berserker Cloak

It's safe to assume anything with a visible % will work for timer reduction.

[Freakish]

Even a 21% from Sky belt drops your timer by 1-2 sec. I did some testing with epic, 21, and 41 a couple weeks ago but I can't find my logs.



It's safe to assume anything with a visible % will work for timer reduction.

If you check the bug reports, the only 2 items in game that have the problem of not affecting timers correctly are Ragebringer (Rogue Epic) and Swiftwind (Ranger offhand epic). All other haste items are currently lowering cooldown timers. If you have any documented proof (Website URL, old logs, screenshots) that it should or should not be affecting timers, you should post it there.

[Cecily]

That's what I said! And I have and other people have and it should be. Just a matter of waiting.

[Rygar]

If you check the bug reports, the only 2 items in game that have the problem of not affecting timers correctly are Ragebringer (Rogue Epic) and Swiftwind (Ranger offhand epic). All other haste items are currently lowering cooldown timers. If you have any documented proof (Website URL, old logs, screenshots) that it should or should not be affecting timers, you should post it there.

While I haven't tested it personally, I had a monk I grouped with claim the monk clicky epic haste was not affecting Flying Kick refresh, but her eyepatch of plunder 20% haste buff lowered refresh by a second. So is possible the monk epic haste isn't affecting special attack refresh.

[CmCKiller]

Rogue backstab has 10 sec cooldown with no haste. Epic haste lowers the cooldown to 6 secs with 40% haste.

[CmCKiller]

Rogue backstab has 10 sec cooldown with no haste. Epic haste lowers the cooldown to 6 secs with 40% haste.

sorry my bad. 10 secs with epic :mad: help! my epic is not working! I paid 25k for this!

[Cecily]

I paid 25k for this!

Lololol.

[guinness]

Will wearing a haste item under 40% along with a Ragebringer bring down the backstab cooldown?

I thought only one worn haste item could be active at a time, and the highest value was the "active" one. So wouldn't you need a 41% haste item to trump the Ragebringer? Or does something like an FBSS/SotDB somehow affect the backstab cooldown while the Ragebringer's haste affects your regular attacks?

[Bummey]

Will wearing a haste item under 40% along with a Ragebringer bring down the backstab cooldown?

I thought only one worn haste item could be active at a time, and the highest value was the "active" one. So wouldn't you need a 41% haste item to trump the Ragebringer? Or does something like an FBSS/SotDB somehow affect the backstab cooldown while the Ragebringer's haste affects your regular attacks?


With both Ragebringer and the crappy 21% sky belt equipped, my backstab timer is 1-2 seconds faster than with just the Ragebringer equipped.

[Rhambuk]

This is Ludicrous! Outrageous! Scandalous! Calamitous! Shishboombamidous!

what horrible nonsense....

[guinness]

With both Ragebringer and the crappy 21% sky belt equipped, my backstab timer is 1-2 seconds faster than with just the Ragebringer equipped.

Thank you, good to know. This sounds immensely broken.

[Vicatin]

Looks like we have several more months to go now to even have a shot at getting this changed boys! Hang on to those additional haste items!

[qualia]

This is a bug... the only hastes that are effectively reducing ability cooldowns are the ones titled 'haste'. the rogue epic haste is granting you auto attack haste equivalent to its value but it will not affect ability cooldowns because it is titled 'Seething Fury'.
This is a known issue and is currently being discussed in bugs: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251700
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240866&page=8
maybe some of you guys can check it out and contribute to some data collection.

[Aesop]

Pretty positive we've made them mad WRT to this.