Fresh Server?

[Folly]

I'm not complaining or begging for new server.

But I only found everquest recently. I never played it cause the blonde ponytail girl on the game art repelled me. And I had no idea everquest was this type game, very grindy, hard, kinda like vanilla wow. So I've found there are items that don't exist anymore that I missed out on that was removed with expansions, and the general community is all at end game. So it does interest me playing on a new clean server from the first expansion going through the game with everyone as they progressed.

So is there any likelihood of a new server or server wipe ever? I just want to know what the developers/owners opinions are.

[Swish]

I'd say it's time, but they'll certainly want to finish the current Velious timeline before anything else happens.

They won't wipe it, but if a second blue server ever hits...expect a long long LONG line for manastones, guises, etc.

At the same time it might actually kill a couple of people IRL who have hoarded virtual currency for up to 7 years.

[Folly]

And also, how well documented have you developers made of game updates so you'd be able to easily implement them again if you did start a fresh server with no expansions?

[Daywolf]

meh not a reason to start a new server, this ain't easy going wow/vanilla wow gaming. There are plenty of leveling pugs around. Server ain't dead... far from it.

Maybe you should direct your questions at the community in general if you are unable to use search for already answered questions from server staff.

[Folly]

ug you make me facepalm. apparently im unaware of the 1000+ players who get on the server. apparently i think the server is dead. apparently vanilla wow is easy going, thus a new server is out of the question. apparently experiencing the game fresh is equivalent to leveling with some pugs.

No I didn't find a definitive answer using search.
I'm asking EVER? i don't expect a new server soon.

[Daywolf]

No I didn't find a definitive answer using searchWell it's there. Also mentions on streams about it from them that I've heard. But you only want devs/owners opinions posted here, and I'm not one so heh.

But the answer you're waiting on probably wont come until they launch green whenever that is, then they might mention it directly again regarding the other things they talked about.
Apparently.

I'd mention whats been said, but who knows they might fill your special request and post your answer here ...but I doubt it ;)

[azeth]

I'm not complaining or begging for new server.

But I only found everquest recently. I never played it cause the blonde ponytail girl on the game art repelled me. And I had no idea everquest was this type game, very grindy, hard, kinda like vanilla wow. So I've found there are items that don't exist anymore that I missed out on that was removed with expansions, and the general community is all at end game. So it does interest me playing on a new clean server from the first expansion going through the game with everyone as they progressed.

So is there any likelihood of a new server or server wipe ever? I just want to know what the developers/owners opinions are.

You missed out on prenerf fungi staffs. The rest isn't great. Join us

[Nisrak]

A fresh server would make for completely different gameplay imo. It would be MUCH harder to level without being able to buy gear. I remember first starting out on EQ release in 1999 and being so happy when I managed to get 1 piece of banded. The game has gotten a lot easier with a saturated market of high-end items. Starting fresh would cut everything back to the stone age where people are trying to level half-naked using rusty weapons. I think it would be fun to go back to hardcore mode...

[Trollhide]

I didn't know about the original P1999 release until several years afterwards, so I too feel like I missed out on the "hardcore" EQ classic experience. While I would love to do it I worry about what releasing another server would do to the blue population. I think the server population is pretty healthy where it's at averaging around 1k players and I don't think I'd want to risk further fragmenting that with a fresh server.

[xKoopa]

I didn't know about the original P1999 release until several years afterwards, so I too feel like I missed out on the "hardcore" EQ classic experience. While I would love to do it I worry about what releasing another server would do to the blue population. I think the server population is pretty healthy where it's at averaging around 1k players and I don't think I'd want to risk further fragmenting that with a fresh server.

People would continue playing on both simultaneously, plus the green server would dump back into blue at end of timeline anyway

[Loke]

You missed out on prenerf fungi staffs. The rest isn't great. Join us

Pre-nerf fungi staff is kind of lame if you always have a pocket shaman / druid. I sold mine because I never used it, and it quit being fun once they nerfed your ability to cast it on group members. Being able to snare other monks on the pull team to be annoying was what I used it for 99% of the time after the initial novelty wore off. I think it only really makes sense for necro or ench, and with a VP staff and elder beads, it even loses some of its utility to a necro as well.

[Spyder73]

At the same time it might actually kill a couple of people IRL who have hoarded virtual currency for up to 7 years.

Spit Monster on my keyboard from laughing.

[Sage Truthbearer]

People get way too tripped up about legacy items. The appeal of a fresh server is more about the low-mid level heavy population and classic-only zones. It's a way different EQ experience.

[LGraves]

I could care less about items. I just like the idea of the old school vanilla experience.

[TheStinkyTuna]

Almost 2 weeks ago this was addressed on the P99 subReddit.

Someone asked about a new blue and you can see Rogean's reply (https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/4gxk2j/new_p99_server/) right below it.

Looks like there will be a new blue at some point, but it's still TBD.

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[Ivory]

People get way too tripped up about legacy items. The appeal of a fresh server is more about the low-mid level heavy population and classic-only zones. It's a way different EQ experience.

Yea :< The fun of getting your first rusty weapon and getting someone to make it into a tarnished one!!!

Or the first fine-steel weapons on the server after a day or two appear!! And it isn't vendor trash...it is the best weapons in the game!!

Or the first magic weapons that begin to drop....suddenly those people are able to hurt ghouls in unrest!!

And actually doing class armor quests!! And weapon quests!! Or starting off as a crafter early and making banded armor for people!!!!!

Oh the first couple weeks / couple months of a fresh server are so fun :3 There is huge reason to spread out and hunt in other zones and actually try to get loot (not just exp as fast as you can).

[Gumbo]

My opinion on a new server and a server wipe.

You do a server wipe and I would say about 75% of the population wouldn't restart playing again.

You start a new server and it would just be a shopping store that opens early for the day after Thanksgiving sale. You would see about a 1,000 people running and hording manastones, 'guise masks and everything else that either gets nerfed or removed in later patches.

I also think majority of the people would be making characters that doesn't require a lot of gear or equipment such as Necros and Monks.

[Ivory]

I also think majority of the people would be making characters that doesn't require a lot of gear or equipment such as Necros and Monks.

I think you are underestimating how many people are here to play classic EQ and the classic experience.....and not just be elite top tier raiders / min maxers.....

[Folly]

ah well i stumbled upon a thread from a year ago where people said the devs on a stream mentioned re99, a recycle server. Where they start a fresh blue vanilla server and progress it upto vellious and then merge it with the current blue server. thats cool to me.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188139

another sorta sad thing i want but it wont happen.
I wanna play on red99 or a team server if p99 made one. I like pvp. I like red99 because you don't lose items on death, just money. It doesn't make the experience unbearable. I like that you can contest zones or mobs or raids with pvp. But the server has so few people on it. I wish more people would play. I also kinda would like a red server restart that was paired with many players actually starting on it and sticking with it because they share this pvp ideal of a server that I do. I wouldn't want a new server unless many people were behind it of course.
Boggles my mind so many people prefer blue over red. Or maybe what I'm unaware of is red was released after blue sometime? And people didn't wanna leave their friends, their items, their character behind and start anew.

But yea I'll look forward to a new blue server if it ever happens.

[Ella`Ella]

You missed out on prenerf fungi staffs. The rest isn't great. Join us

I've got two banked if he needs one

[Folly]

oh and found sirken's vid https://youtu.be/glS8PqgumUQ?t=48m30s
cliffnote: his opinion is not to release green(recycle server) till blue is completely finished with no work to be done. he said this is not set in stone tho.

and thanks ella ella, but i wont need one.

[Evia]

I've got two banked if he needs one

Yeah sure, and I'll take the other one please ;)

[Reece15]

Almost 2 weeks ago this was addressed on the P99 subReddit.

Someone asked about a new blue and you can see Rogean's reply (https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/4gxk2j/new_p99_server/) right below it.

Looks like there will be a new blue at some point, but it's still TBD.

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[Daywolf]

Hmm. I've been around since PEQ:TGC opened, and all the mobs were like popcorn and to get into kelethin you had to levitate up a tree and dash to the platform. And I'll tell ya, Gfay looks really weird w/o any fog. A few things worked though. That was well over 10yrs ago. PEQ is the original.

Anyway, as for here, it's Green, then finish blue progression, then maybe a new blue which yes the progression patches are filed for. That's basics. They have batted around what that progression speed should be, but more up in the air compared to the rest as it's a how rather than a what. Hows can change. Don't even think about whens.

[Baler]

The unfortunate reality is that we cant relive the hay day of live EQ classic.

The unfortunate reality is that we cant relive the hay day of project 1999.

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I tried P99 back in 2010 and it was rough. It would be nice to experience the true classic era in it's working prime. Perhaps if they released patches according to how they were released on live, with no delay..
Otherwise I don't think I could spend 6 years playing EQ, After the 2 i've spent on p99 so far.

[Daywolf]

The unfortunate reality is that we cant relive the hay day of live EQ classic.

The unfortunate reality is that we cant relive the hay day of project 1999.

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I tried P99 back in 2010 and it was rough. It would be nice to experience the true classic era in it's working prime. Perhaps if they released patches according to how they were released on live, with no delay..
Otherwise I don't think I could spend 6 years playing EQ, After the 2 i've spent on p99 so far.I never really stopped since release, at least with casual play. And I don't really worry about the "hay day" either, but just the mechanics as they're better than any modern games. The new blue server will be more on target, just whenever that happens; it'll be way more correct than this servers start obviously.

Yeah I liked launch state a lot on live (even the funky client hehe), was good stuff. Only thing is I wish I had more time with the game then, I was already really involved with UO and stuck with too many responsibilities with one of the largest guilds in the game that we founded. So I always took EQ a little more casually... even though I was raid leader for a guild hehe. And then full time work.... crap no, don't want to relive those days :P
My life moved forward, not nostalgia, just know what I like, and for the most part nothing WoW and beyond.

[Calthaer]

I never really stopped since release, at least with casual play. And I don't really worry about the "hay day" either, but just the mechanics as they're better than any modern games.

I'm curious about this - which mechanics are the best? In my view, EQ did some things really great and others not-so-great.
Great:

The rhythm of group combat (pull, fight, root, mezz, buff, all that stuff)
Difficulty / challenge level of PvE - it's challenging in an "old-school arcade" kind of way
Class balance & unique roles
Beautiful world - great to explore
Lots of race / class options


Not-so-great:

Killing stuff the only meaningful play experience, but they wasted effort implementing a lot of non-core stuff (crafting, thief skills, quests, PVP etc.)
All those races mean loads of starting cities and other level design that went largely un-used after the early levels
Lots of grinding on similar / same-y content
Competition for key loot makes it feel like waiting in line for an amusement ride
Economy is pretty broken re: inflation, money sinks, etc.


But I am eager to hear what your take is on why it's better than most modern games.

[Izmael]

Not-so-great:

Competition for key loot makes it feel like waiting in line for an amusement ride

But I am eager to hear what your take is on why it's better than most modern games.


Re: waiting in line.
IMO just make the following zones PvP. Problem solved. WW/ToV/, ST, VP/PoA.
Not classic, but playing EQ with the Titanium client in 2016 isn't either.

Re: why it's better than modern games
1. No instances
2. Mob aggros you - it will chase you until they die or you die
3. Drama
4. No boxing forces to work together
5. Repop naked after death and work on CR.
6. ...Could go for a while...

[Thulack]

Re: waiting in line.
IMO just make the following zones PvP. Problem solved. WW/ToV/, ST, VP/PoA.
Not classic, but playing EQ with the Titanium client in 2016 isn't either.

Re: why it's better than modern games
1. No instances
2. Mob aggros you - it will chase you until they die or you die
3. Drama
4. No boxing forces to work together
5. Repop naked after death and work on CR.
6. ...Could go for a while...

How is Drama better? I mean unless your just a drama queen and like it.

[Daywolf]

I'm curious about this - which mechanics are the best?Technically, games more modeled off of MUD's rather than single-player video RPG's.

MUD
mixed/open world
many skills/spells
challenging single mobs slow to kill
co-op/social emphasis
best you can do is survive

Video RPG
progression world
limited skills/spells simplified
easy kill hoards of mobs
instancing and easy solo play
everyone is the hero

[Pindrought]

Fresh server would be fun