Fascists riot in Albuquerque

[Daywolf]

https://youtu.be/TzJNuxl467s
Best vid on it, of what few there are. Ain't no "protesters" though, just fascists rioting in the streets. People want to riot and shut down free speech? That's fascism. And they point fingers at others calling them fascists, while they themselves are the only ones practicing fascism.

I don't care what politician it is they do this to, Bernie, Hillary, Donald, even Red Ted, fascism is fascism. Waving foreign flags, burning the US flag, throwing bottles, rocks, fire bombs, smashing cars, spraying pepper spray, assaulting a peaceful political rally to disrupt it, is not protesting, it's fascist rioting.

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't know what fascism is but am pretty sure is bad.

When I type fascism into my Android phone and press space, it recommends Nazism as the next word even though the phrase "fascism Nazism" makes no grammatical sense and would never be used. Usually the word recommend thingy only feeds you words that are the proper parts of speech to at least in theory form a sentence. Fascism must be really bad if we need to be reminded subliminally about the 6 million every time we type it

lol gotta love the jewish coders in silicon valley.

[Daywolf]

Like this:

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Which conflicts with:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Peaceably assemble, consider the Civil rights marches, King wasn't out there throwing fire bombs at police. But all this waving foreign flags, burning the US flag, riots in the street, disrupting peaceful rallies, that falls under the definition of fascism by it's very tactics.

[Sidelle]

It'ss so sweet of these protesters to help Trump's campaign in this way. They're doing an excellent job. :D

[Daywolf]

It'ss so sweet of these protesters to help Trump's campaign in this way. They're doing an excellent job. :D
Yep, true that. Each time they push like this, the more he pulls support and the polls rise even higher. It stupefied the nocons and rinos, and will only do the same to the dems.

This is coming out of the sharp contrasts; this election isn't so watered down with everyone being so similar (e.g. Romneycare vs 0bamacare etc). And each time they kick against it, it only shows that contrast all the more. Ryan is even about to endorse, this is going to get interesting.

But to make it clear about this, I'm not calling out Sanders supporters here, and I don't even think this is coming out of the Sanders camp entirely. I know that there are plenty of Sanders supporters with the same idea that I have: screw the system. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those out there waving foreign flags and throwing stones were planning to vote for Hillary, maybe even paid to do this as is known to happen.

[AenorVZ]

Okay theory questers, let's get real. Firstly, I was press secretary for a former state court judge who ran for governor in a southern state. Secondly, I consulted on two campaigns for an 11-term member of the US Congress. Third, I'm a third generation US Army veteran who self-identifies as an anarcho-syndicalist.

Having worked for two of the most far left political candidates you could imagine, I have a lot of experience with political activism. Having worked for Clear Channel and CBS Radio, been an associate editor of several small newspapers, having written for ESPN.com and been a professional, credentialed NBA reporter, I have a good bit of media experience as well.

In my experience, a lot of the anti-establishment protests we see are driven behind the scenes by American communists. Please see this wiki article so you can know the distinction between a real anarchist like myself and a marxist-lenninist who believes in totalitarian government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

So I believe there are four distinct philosophies of social organization that have been attempted in human history that are relevant to this discussion:

1. Anarchy

Believes in the dissolution of coercive governmental authority and instead wishes to install goverment based on mutual consent. For example, conscription (a military draft) would not be possible in an anarchist society. It would have to be an all-volunteer military since anarchist principals are anathema to the idea of coerced military service.

2. Representative democracy

A fairy tale much like the tooth fairy. Has as much basis in reality.

3. Communism

A totalitarian form of government that represents itself to be a worker's utopia. Anarchists feel that any form of totalitarian government, regardless of what lofty ideals it purports to espouse, will ultimately act to keep itself in power rather than for the benefit of the workers that supposedly control it.

Here's a simple litmus test to find out if anyone you speak with is a communist. Ask them, in reference to the Tiananmen Square incident in China, if they think the heros were the people protesting in favor of free speech or if the heros were the people driving tanks and suppressing free speech. Any real communist will tell you that the heroic tank drivers were saving China from the evil counter-revolutionary protesters.

Since Communism is a totalitarian form of government, if you don't agree that it is acting in your interests, as the state-controlled media will constantly attempt to drill into your head, then you are subject to arrest, torture, execution and slave labor for expressing thoughts that are not compatible with the propaganda message.

4. Fascism

Government via the overt control of monied intererests for their own benefit and perpetuation. This is the current form of government in the United States. You don't believe in the tooth fairy do you? The operating systems for voting machines are proprietary and not subject to external review, making an audit of any election impossible since there is only one set of data, that which is controlled by the proprietary operating system. An audit, by definition, requires two sources of data.

The most obvious example of fascism is Nazi Germany where Fritz Thiessen, a steel monopolist, financed Hitler's rise to power. Once in power, Hitler set about racially cleansing Germany. However, not all Jews, gypsies and other marginalized groups were sent directly to be killed. IBM sold punch card technology to track the occupations of prisoners so that they could be diverted to slave labor camps such as Auschwitz, where steel and coal were processed for the benefit of the war effort, to the enrichment of the monied interests that controlled the government.

Fascism is the most overtly anti-labor, pro-capital form of government. It's no surprise that the US followed Germany into fascism since we absorbed the Nazi SS intelligence apparatus into what became the American CIA (OSS at the time). George H.W. Bush employed a former German Nazi during one of his presidential campaigns. His father, Prescott Bush, was a banker whose bank's assets were seized by the US goverment under the trading with the enemies act for acting in the interests of Nazi Germany during the war. The assets were later unfrozen and no real consequences ever came to Prescott Bush, sometimes referred to as Hitler's personal banker.

In the modern US, you can see the overt nature of fascist control of our systems of government via the two party system. It doesn't matter if a republican or democrat is chosen to the true elites since the same massive trans national corporations make large contributions to both political parties. Thus, only those who serve the interests of banks and trans nationals can be elected president. This is why Hillary changed the subject during the Brooklyn debate after Bernie proposed to remove marijuana from the controlled substance act. Even though Clinton claims to support Obama's presidency, she refused to indicate that she will respect states' rights on this issue if elected. Instead, she kept quiet, since she knows that decriminalization is not in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry that supports her campaign.

* * *

So no, those weren't fascists. The fascists are the existing government, represented in this case by the police force. The protesters were almost certainly provocateurs whose actions were encouraged by the Communist party, which hopes to foment revolution in the US to overthrow the current fascist government and replace it with an equally totalitarian communist government. No real anarchist would infringe on anyone's right to free speech.

[Daywolf]

So no, those weren't fascists. The fascists are the existing government, represented in this case by the police force. The protesters were almost certainly provocateurs whose actions were encouraged by the Communist party, which hopes to foment revolution in the US to overthrow the current fascist government and replace it with an equally totalitarian communist government. No real anarchist would infringe on anyone's right to free speech.
But then they were waving foreign flags. Specifically the flag of Mexico. I'm sure you are familiar with the Reconquista (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29) movement. Additionally Mexico does have an active overt Fascist political party. Just like we have CPUSA.

I agree that there were communists there as well, that's common in these turnouts, many being paid professional activists. Still engaging in fascist tactics though.

I see this as part of the Globalist movement (more the path of our gov than any other path). You just mix all this ideology together and open all the borders (like they are trying to do with religions too), then centralize a world government. You throw them all in there, they will still all bow down to corporatism, to the technocrats, to the central banks. What we have now is just a transitional phase, having been hammered out over decades inch by inch. Good post though.

[maerilith]

http://i.imgur.com/Tf65d2s.png

[Nihilist_santa]

Okay theory questers, let's get real. Firstly, I was press secretary for a former state court judge who ran for governor in a southern state. Secondly, I consulted on two campaigns for an 11-term member of the US Congress. Third, I'm a third generation US Army veteran who self-identifies as an anarcho-syndicalist.

Having worked for two of the most far left political candidates you could imagine, I have a lot of experience with political activism. Having worked for Clear Channel and CBS Radio, been an associate editor of several small newspapers, having written for ESPN.com and been a professional, credentialed NBA reporter, I have a good bit of media experience as well.

In my experience, a lot of the anti-establishment protests we see are driven behind the scenes by American communists. Please see this wiki article so you can know the distinction between a real anarchist like myself and a marxist-lenninist who believes in totalitarian government:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

So I believe there are four distinct philosophies of social organization that have been attempted in human history that are relevant to this discussion:

1. Anarchy

Believes in the dissolution of coercive governmental authority and instead wishes to install goverment based on mutual consent. For example, conscription (a military draft) would not be possible in an anarchist society. It would have to be an all-volunteer military since anarchist principals are anathema to the idea of coerced military service.

2. Representative democracy

A fairy tale much like the tooth fairy. Has as much basis in reality.

3. Communism

A totalitarian form of government that represents itself to be a worker's utopia. Anarchists feel that any form of totalitarian government, regardless of what lofty ideals it purports to espouse, will ultimately act to keep itself in power rather than for the benefit of the workers that supposedly control it.

Here's a simple litmus test to find out if anyone you speak with is a communist. Ask them, in reference to the Tiananmen Square incident in China, if they think the heros were the people protesting in favor of free speech or if the heros were the people driving tanks and suppressing free speech. Any real communist will tell you that the heroic tank drivers were saving China from the evil counter-revolutionary protesters.

Since Communism is a totalitarian form of government, if you don't agree that it is acting in your interests, as the state-controlled media will constantly attempt to drill into your head, then you are subject to arrest, torture, execution and slave labor for expressing thoughts that are not compatible with the propaganda message.

4. Fascism

Government via the overt control of monied intererests for their own benefit and perpetuation. This is the current form of government in the United States. You don't believe in the tooth fairy do you? The operating systems for voting machines are proprietary and not subject to external review, making an audit of any election impossible since there is only one set of data, that which is controlled by the proprietary operating system. An audit, by definition, requires two sources of data.

The most obvious example of fascism is Nazi Germany where Fritz Thiessen, a steel monopolist, financed Hitler's rise to power. Once in power, Hitler set about racially cleansing Germany. However, not all Jews, gypsies and other marginalized groups were sent directly to be killed. IBM sold punch card technology to track the occupations of prisoners so that they could be diverted to slave labor camps such as Auschwitz, where steel and coal were processed for the benefit of the war effort, to the enrichment of the monied interests that controlled the government.

Fascism is the most overtly anti-labor, pro-capital form of government. It's no surprise that the US followed Germany into fascism since we absorbed the Nazi SS intelligence apparatus into what became the American CIA (OSS at the time). George H.W. Bush employed a former German Nazi during one of his presidential campaigns. His father, Prescott Bush, was a banker whose bank's assets were seized by the US goverment under the trading with the enemies act for acting in the interests of Nazi Germany during the war. The assets were later unfrozen and no real consequences ever came to Prescott Bush, sometimes referred to as Hitler's personal banker.

In the modern US, you can see the overt nature of fascist control of our systems of government via the two party system. It doesn't matter if a republican or democrat is chosen to the true elites since the same massive trans national corporations make large contributions to both political parties. Thus, only those who serve the interests of banks and trans nationals can be elected president. This is why Hillary changed the subject during the Brooklyn debate after Bernie proposed to remove marijuana from the controlled substance act. Even though Clinton claims to support Obama's presidency, she refused to indicate that she will respect states' rights on this issue if elected. Instead, she kept quiet, since she knows that decriminalization is not in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry that supports her campaign.

* * *

So no, those weren't fascists. The fascists are the existing government, represented in this case by the police force. The protesters were almost certainly provocateurs whose actions were encouraged by the Communist party, which hopes to foment revolution in the US to overthrow the current fascist government and replace it with an equally totalitarian communist government. No real anarchist would infringe on anyone's right to free speech.

If you have read any Giovanni Gentile then you would begin to understand that fascism is not an "idea". Fascism is an actualism. It can come in any form. Its a swift and singleminded action for the good of a collective. It rose during the 20s and 30s because the cultures where it was embraced were threatened by international communism(jewry).

Some have called fascism an extreme form of propertarianism. Not sure if I agree with that but I guess its used to distinguish fascism from other forms of "collectivism". I think the difference in the fascist form of collectivism as opposed to the communist variety is that fascism recognizes the role of the individual in the overall health of the society and its institutions where as communism stamps out individuality to erase "class" distinctions. Fascism recognizes class distinctions. Take the role of women for example. USSR women = cogs in a machine/NSDAP women = vital aspect of the culture and recognized for that role.

Your description of Fascism is really just an oligarchy. You also say that fascism is an extreme form of capitalism but if you have ever actually studied the writings of actual fascist then you would see that they hold capitalism in contempt as well. Thats why they feel the need for a strong centralized authority to protect the citizens from capitalism(among other things) while maintaining property rights hence the earlier nod to propertarianism. The Nazis saw how the ((((money interest)))) were overwhelmingly led by one faction of society *cough*47% of the 1% these people comprise*cough* and how that system they controlled and used to enslave other nations. They outlawed usury which is how capitalism is corrupted. It bothers me when people try to say that Fascism is extreme capitalism.

[AzzarTheGod]

Reluctantly started reading AenorVZ's post (nothing personal OT rule). Then found it somewhat insightful.

Did read. [X]

[Sorn]

The real protesters packed up and went home before the rioters showed up, so of course the media is having a great time misrepresenting them as violent.

https://progressnownm.org/2016/05/25/the-actual-trump-protest-was-nothing-like-the-one-you-saw-on-the-news/

Basically, there were two protests, but only the one that gives the impression that the protesters are needlessly aggressive, radical, and probably not the type you want to associate with has really made the news.

(I will now go back to ignoring all of you.)

[iruinedyourday]

https://youtu.be/TzJNuxl467s
Best vid on it, of what few there are. Ain't no "protesters" though, just fascists rioting in the streets. People want to riot and shut down free speech? That's fascism. And they point fingers at others calling them fascists, while they themselves are the only ones practicing fascism.

I don't care what politician it is they do this to, Bernie, Hillary, Donald, even Red Ted, fascism is fascism. Waving foreign flags, burning the US flag, throwing bottles, rocks, fire bombs, smashing cars, spraying pepper spray, assaulting a peaceful political rally to disrupt it, is not protesting, it's fascist rioting.

http://i.imgur.com/JZukGET.gif

[Jimjam]

I'm going to go with how the London Riots were reported and say this is a teaparty down with the 1% event.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm going to go with how the London Riots were reported and say this is a teaparty down with the 1% event.

the London riots are and will not be reported on.

not sure where you are

[JurisDictum]

If you have read any Giovanni Gentile then you would begin to understand that fascism is not an "idea". Fascism is an actualism. It can come in any form. Its a swift and singleminded action for the good of a collective. It rose during the 20s and 30s because the cultures where it was embraced were threatened by international communism(jewry).

Some have called fascism an extreme form of propertarianism. Not sure if I agree with that but I guess its used to distinguish fascism from other forms of "collectivism". I think the difference in the fascist form of collectivism as opposed to the communist variety is that fascism recognizes the role of the individual in the overall health of the society and its institutions where as communism stamps out individuality to erase "class" distinctions. Fascism recognizes class distinctions. Take the role of women for example. USSR women = cogs in a machine/NSDAP women = vital aspect of the culture and recognized for that role.

Your description of Fascism is really just an oligarchy. You also say that fascism is an extreme form of capitalism but if you have ever actually studied the writings of actual fascist then you would see that they hold capitalism in contempt as well. Thats why they feel the need for a strong centralized authority to protect the citizens from capitalism(among other things) while maintaining property rights hence the earlier nod to propertarianism. The Nazis saw how the ((((money interest)))) were overwhelmingly led by one faction of society *cough*47% of the 1% these people comprise*cough* and how that system they controlled and used to enslave other nations. They outlawed usury which is how capitalism is corrupted. It bothers me when people try to say that Fascism is extreme capitalism.

A more sober view than the post you quoted.

Facist and communist regimes are similar in their methods of control. In practical reality there isn't a lot of difference between the two (Hitler once said Stalinism was just "red facism"). But the theory behind the two are completely different. One is about achieving the closest thing to real equality. The other is about state strength, empowering the country at the expense of others.

Facism is closely related to racism. I had a libertarian professor once said the main difference between facism and communism was that facism also had racism. Ultimately I don't agree with him, but in practical reality there is something to it.

Ultimately this kind of stuff usually devolves into some BS semantic argument though.

Edit: The reason american liberals and conservatives always fuck up there understanding of facism -- is because they don't understand that there isn't a big "goverment vs free market" dichomity in the German intellectual tradition. They never really bought into that "the economy" (which exists independent of society) in mass as much as they have here. To Hitler, the economy wasn't a big theater of ideological warfare. Most Germans agree some government and some market is good.

[Daywolf]

I will now go back to ignoring all of you.Oh, thx much Sorn :rolleyes:

If I post something other from Faux news or Huffington Puffington Post here they have meltdowns and won't even look at the thread or linked content. My common sources show Trump supporters being hit with rocks (that later, but...), women screamed at while holding infant babies by guys standing behind Mexican flags, and water bottles being thrown at people in wheelchairs as pig cops stand by and do nothing. Even screaming at old ladies. Most of that happening in the day when you claim they were different people altogether. Those different people were purposely allow to be close enough to the entrance of the rally to engage peaceable citizens on their way to practice their first amendment right, to get a taste of blood for the desired outcome to start that night.

[JurisDictum]

Oh, thx much Sorn :rolleyes:

If I post something other from Faux news or Huffington Puffington Post here they have meltdowns and won't even look at the thread or linked content. My common sources show Trump supporters being hit with rocks (that later, but...), women screamed at while holding infant babies by guys standing behind Mexican flags, and water bottles being thrown at people in wheelchairs as pig cops stand by and do nothing. Even screaming at old ladies. Most of that happening in the day when you claim they were different people altogether. Those different people were purposely allow to be close enough to the entrance of the rally to engage peaceable citizens on their way to practice their first amendment right, to get a taste of blood for the desired outcome to start that night.

I'm not saying I know those guys were paid agitators. But I'm saying that if I wanted to get Trump elected as a wealthy interest, that's how I would do it. Just get a bunch of thuggish super nationalists Mexicans on T.V. and frame all left supporters as much.

[Daywolf]

http://i.imgur.com/JZukGET.gif
What, you been saving the gif links I post? this one posted at Pok3& like last week if I recall. Aww I have a gif fan :D

[Nihilist_santa]

The real protesters packed up and went home before the rioters showed up, so of course the media is having a great time misrepresenting them as violent.

https://progressnownm.org/2016/05/25/the-actual-trump-protest-was-nothing-like-the-one-you-saw-on-the-news/

Basically, there were two protests, but only the one that gives the impression that the protesters are needlessly aggressive, radical, and probably not the type you want to associate with has really made the news.

(I will now go back to ignoring all of you.)

I guess the news was handing out Mexican flags also? This is avoiding the issue and trying to recast this as who is the aggressor. I dont know about you but a bunch of foreign freeloaders who are up in arms waving foreign flags because they support a lefty (most of them do) who promises free shit is reason enough to vote for the other guy.

[Daywolf]

I'm not saying I know those guys were paid agitators. But I'm saying that if I wanted to get Trump elected as a wealthy interest, that's how I would do it. Just get a bunch of thuggish super nationalists Mexicans on T.V. and frame all left supporters as much.
lol and they call ME a crazy conspiracy theorist. Next you'll be taking up the cause of chemtrails, truthers and birthers, or whatever you farleft peeps have as conspiracy theories. I'd need to check with MTV on that ;)

[Nihilist_santa]

A more sober view than the post you quoted.

Facist and communist regimes are similar in their methods of control. In practical reality there isn't a lot of difference between the two (Hitler once said Stalinism was just "red facism"). But the theory behind the two are completely different. One is about achieving the closest thing to real equality. The other is about state strength, empowering the country at the expense of others.

Facism is closely related to racism. I had a libertarian professor once said the main difference between facism and communism was that facism also had racism. Ultimately I don't agree with him, but in practical reality there is something to it.

Ultimately this kind of stuff usually devolves into some BS semantic argument though.

Edit: The reason american liberals and conservatives always fuck up there understanding of facism -- is because they don't understand that there isn't a big "goverment vs free market" dichomity in the German intellectual tradition. They never really bought into that "the economy" (which exists independent of society) in mass as much as they have here. To Hitler, the economy wasn't a big theater of ideological warfare. Most Germans agree some government and some market is good.

Internationalist have corrupted the concept of racism and misuse it. Now anything associated with nationalism is deemed racist because it is an exclusive ideaology. Progressivism is largely internationalist and also controls education and the media so you end up with this perversion . I find most communist to have been the most brutal and dehumanizing regimes. Their outlook that everyone be equal means there is no room for diversity and no one escaped the "State" .Their inclusiveness is only a ploy to gain the most support seeing as minorities and the poor outnumber any other groups.

Most "fascist" were nationalist and so their concerns were national. This idea of projected racism is kind of laughable. Hitlers "aggression" was the reclaiming of stolen territory. Then your Illuminati used all of this against him and made him a boogeyman to accomplish the founding of their international organizations that rule the world today.

[JurisDictum]

lol and they call ME a crazy conspiracy theorist. Next you'll be taking up the cause of chemtrails, truthers and birthers, or whatever you farleft peeps have as conspiracy theories. I'd need to check with MTV on that ;)

I would have said the same thing until I started looking into work as a "grass roots lobbyist." If it works -- if you can put a few thugs on TV and change the election, people will do it. The reason I never buy into mainstream conspiracies is because there describing things that would never work (i.e. 3 families controlling everything etc.).

[Daywolf]

I would have said the same thing until I started looking into work as a "grass roots lobbyist." If it works -- if you can put a few thugs on TV and change the election. People will do it. The reason I never buy into mainstream conspiracies is because there describing things that would never work (i.e. 3 families controlling everything etc.).
Dude, Tower #7 was flat-out imploded. That was a professional take-down, textbook. Who did it, I don't know, but a demolish job it was, clearly.

Your ideology blinds you to facts at hand, something one needs to be trained to do as basic logic is deformed and rejected. Step away from the MTV! Go outside and stare at a tree for a few days, you'll glean considerably more truth without needing to allow a single externally perceived thought into your head. Wipe-on wipe-off, wipe-on wipe-off.

[iruinedyourday]

daywolf PLEASE post some IRL info I have got to see what you fucking look like IRL

PLEASE

[Daywolf]

daywolf PLEASE post some IRL info I have got to see what you fucking look like IRL

PLEASE
I've had a pic in my profile for 6 years...
I guess it's just I don't post pics of myself in tons of threads and talk about my heterosexuality constantly :D

[iruinedyourday]

I just wana know how many teeth your missing.

[Daywolf]

I just wana know how many teeth your missing.No one has punched out my teeth, but I have broken body parts of others while none of my own. Missing absolutely 0, and counting wisdom teeth, more than most.

[DMN]

I just wana know how many teeth your missing.

Dude with 7K+ posts on 20 year old video game, bro. I know chitposting seems to be a hobby of yours, but really?

[Nihilist_santa]

A more sober view than the post you quoted.

Facist and communist regimes are similar in their methods of control. In practical reality there isn't a lot of difference between the two (Hitler once said Stalinism was just "red facism"). But the theory behind the two are completely different. One is about achieving the closest thing to real equality. The other is about state strength, empowering the country at the expense of others.

Facism is closely related to racism. I had a libertarian professor once said the main difference between facism and communism was that facism also had racism. Ultimately I don't agree with him, but in practical reality there is something to it.

Ultimately this kind of stuff usually devolves into some BS semantic argument though.

Edit: The reason american liberals and conservatives always fuck up there understanding of facism -- is because they don't understand that there isn't a big "goverment vs free market" dichomity in the German intellectual tradition. They never really bought into that "the economy" (which exists independent of society) in mass as much as they have here. To Hitler, the economy wasn't a big theater of ideological warfare. Most Germans agree some government and some market is good.

I wanted to readdress the issue of fascism and racism. I would be interested to know what your professors basis for this is. To my knowledge only one ethnocentric fascist state has existed. Mussolini rejected Hitler's racial views. Francoist were Catholics and so have an inherent degree of universalism. Milosoevic's reign was ethnocentric but I am unsure of just how much "fascism" there was there since I haven't studied the issue as much. I think fascism has become a misnomer.

Now if as I said before its because of the nationalism that is as I said owed to the exclusivity of the ideology however depending on the cultural makeup of a country you could be a fascist nationalist without being a racist (see the above).

[Daywolf]

Dude with 7K+ posts on 20 year old video game, bro. I know chitposting seems to be a hobby of yours, but really?
Oh don't worry about it :) I took the first little covert-overt inside jab there. btw half of his/her/it's posts were shiptosting with it's friend Kaga who it got ruthlessly banned (as far as I know) by being driven insane :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/gEeTXcq.gif

[maerilith]

[x] clicked 4 page thread expecting to see people getting trolled
[x] saw a circle jerk
[x] was disappointed
[x] Nazi

[Nihilist_santa]

[x] clicked 4 page thread expecting to see people getting trolled
[x] saw a circle jerk
[x] was disappointed
[x] Nazi

Oh a useless scaerilith post I did nazi that coming....:rolleyes:
I would have imagined you would be smiling like a donut at a circlejerk.

[Pokesan]

if everyones a fascist then noone is

[Daywolf]

[x] clicked 4 page thread expecting to see people getting trolled
[x] saw a circle jerk
[x] was disappointed
[x] Nazi
Hey, I just rolled your message through this authentic WWII German Enigma Machine, and this is what came out the butt end of it.
i - a r e - a - Nazi

Punctuation services will cost you extra.

[Pokesan]

I don't know what fascism is but am pretty sure is bad.

When I type fascism into my Android phone and press space, it recommends Nazism as the next word even though the phrase "fascism Nazism" makes no grammatical sense and would never be used. Usually the word recommend thingy only feeds you words that are the proper parts of speech to at least in theory form a sentence. Fascism must be really bad if we need to be reminded subliminally about the 6 million every time we type it

so close to a good post but you ruined it at the last moment

my good chum

[JurisDictum]

I wanted to readdress the issue of fascism and racism. I would be interested to know what your professors basis for this is. To my knowledge only one ethnocentric fascist state has existed. Mussolini rejected Hitler's racial views. Francoist were Catholics and so have an inherent degree of universalism. Milosoevic's reign was ethnocentric but I am unsure of just how much "fascism" there was there since I haven't studied the issue as much. I think fascism has become a misnomer.

Now if as I said before its because of the nationalism that is as I said owed to the exclusivity of the ideology however depending on the cultural makeup of a country you could be a fascist nationalist without being a racist (see the above).

He used to have extensive video available on youtube. For some reason, it recently vanished. All that is left is his first class to epistemology...you can get a feel for the guy if nothing else.

https://vimeo.com/88210640

Other than that, all I know is he is a tea party activist, but has kind of a green anarcho bend or some weird shit. I think he has some Native American ancestry that bread a distrust of government and welfare into him. He is an atheist now, but wasn't always.

I think we tend to consider all these ethnocentric(sometimes violent) groups that pop up in US/Europe fascist. That is why the label is associated with racism. Fascism might not need to be racial in theory, but for some reason it is in practice.

But you bring up an interesting point about Mussolini and Spain. Hitler probably would say that Mussolini was just a blowhard and not a fascist and our historians/sociologists would probably agree with him. But this might be a matter of spectrum. With more extreme fascism being more often racist and lesser forms being simply authoritarian. Asian governments can be seen as a fascist governments on the lesser end of the spectrum.

[Nihilist_santa]

He used to have extensive video available on youtube. For some reason, it recently vanished. All that is left is his first class to epstemology...you can get a feel for the guy if nothing else.

https://vimeo.com/88210640

Other than that, all I know is he is a tea party activist, but has kind of a green anarcho bend or some weird shit. I think he has some Native American ancestry that bread a distrust of government and welfare into him. He is an atheist now, but wasn't always.

I think we tend to consider all these ethnocentric(sometimes violent) groups that pop up in US/Europe fascist. That is why the label is associated with racism. Fascism might not need to be racial in theory, but for some reason it is in practice.

But you bring up an interesting point about Mussolini and Spain. Hitler probably would say that Mussolini was just a blowhard and not a fascist and our historians/sociologists would probably agree with him.

Nah Hitler and Mussolini were good pals. Hitler sent a team of commandos lead by Otto Skorzeny to rescue Il Duce. Hitler was really dismayed at what had happened to Mussolini and his mistress later on. I dont really have any love for Mussolini I think he was just an opportunist or a front for the protofascist movements that coalesced into Fascism. To be fair though the leftist/communist were pretty entrenched in Italy and Mussolini's forces were comprised of pretty shit soldiers with shit armaments.

[Daywolf]

rascists and facists are the scum of this earth
What's really funny is lefties are such fringe conspiracy theorists they think everyone is but are just hiding the fact :D
Oh and think the ones that are openly which is usually the case, like BLM, really aren't.... unless they are Caucasian hehehe

[Nihilist_santa]

Good points. You dont point to Japan and tell them "you are too ethnocentric" "you need more diversity" AKA less Japanese. These forced immigration policies are only aimed at western nations.

If you are white or part of western civ and speak up for your national and cultural interest you are labeled a racist. If you think only whites can be racist that in itself is some sort of prejudice which the left ignores. The left wants the Palestenians to have a homeland but rail against any western nation seeking to do something similar. Hypocrites some unknowingly because modern american "leftism" is just (using an alt right phrase here) virtue signaling and devoid of substance.

[iruinedyourday]

There's no more left anymore you goons quit your crying

[Daywolf]

There's no more left anymore you goons quit your crying
Agreed... (https://youtu.be/qXBswFfh6AY?t=235)
And if you listen for exactly 57 seconds, you figure out exactly who he's talking about... today ;)

[maerilith]

Oh a useless scaerilith post I did nazi that coming....:rolleyes:
I would have imagined you would be smiling like a donut at a circlejerk.

:o:p:cool:

[JurisDictum]

There's no more left anymore you goons quit your crying

I disagree. I think Clinton is the last centrist the DNC is going to elect for a long time. If it was anyone but Clinton, the centrists wouldn't make it. Even she is having to make all kinds of lefty policy promises.

The Clinton/Reagan era is over. We are looking at the Trump/Sandars style era moving forward. Trump is probably a lot more friendly with the left on economic issues than he is letting on recently.

[iruinedyourday]

nah any people with any brains left the left and are starting a new direction and you can get upset about it later on, but for now there is no left, just a bunch of aimless clinton supporters that dont know their ass from the hole in the ground.

[JurisDictum]

You need a coalition to govern. We are a two party system...unless you are suggesting left of center people are going to start voting Republican, they will vote Democrat. The only other possibility is a 3rd party becomes one of the 2 new parties -- pushing out the Democrats. But there will always be 2 parties. Not that 3-7 parties change anything...this just make the governing coalition unaccountable for all their BS.

[iruinedyourday]

nobody cares

[AzzarTheGod]

nobody cares

My sentiments exactly after the first few pages.

These guys really fapped off the whole penis all over the thread. Yeesh take it easy boys.

[Daywolf]

nobody cares
Speaking of 'not so undemocratic-socialist' your Bernie will be debating my Donald in California.

I disagree. I think Clinton is the last centrist the DNC is going to elect for a long time. If it was anyone but Clinton, the centrists wouldn't make it. Even she is having to make all kinds of lefty policy promises.

The Clinton/Reagan era is over. We are looking at the Trump/Sandars style era moving forward. Trump is probably a lot more friendly with the left on economic issues than he is letting on recently.
lol yyou with that again. Like the whole field shifted left and everyone slid right while standing in place. I suppose now JFK was a right-wing repub *chuckles*.

[AzzarTheGod]

Speaking of 'not so undemocratic-socialist' your Bernie will be debating my Donald in California.



Power play by Bernie. I love how he is not laying down and playing dead for the elites.

Fuck yeah. Clintonistas are mad as hell right now.

[Daywolf]

Power play by Bernie. I love how he is not laying down and playing dead for the elites.

Fuck yeah. Clintonistas are mad as hell right now.
Yep, interesting times. I fundamentally disagree with him on most every policy, but at least he sticks it to the man, too.
or woman... whatevah

Although, that whole BLM at his rally thing, and he whined and stepped back, retreated to the other side of the stage looking all sad.... he lacks fight when it comes down to it. But at least if he did manage to get elected, this would just mean 99% of his policies would never go forward, apart from a little demolishing I would imagine. I mean 0bamacare is about to self-implode anyway. Should be a good debate though.

[Daywolf]

Smart warrior chooses his battles. When you're up against the very same communist divide&conquer machine you have worked your entire life building up, whose power you intend to harness to ride into the White House, you don't spit in its eye.

People who like Bernie don't even admit that it was a blunder. Maybe it wasn't.
His ...campaign manager? ... stood there and argued with them over the podium for 5 minutes while Bernie moved to a safe distance, surrendered. This in the middle of his rally speech... well at the beginning of it. I don't think he can control his own machine, not that it's his anyway. I don't fully know why yet, but he reminds me of Carter in 1979-1980. I was rewatching the Reagan-Carter debates, and I just kept thinking of Bernie. Well, I'm just glad the BLM hasn't taken anyone hostage yet ;)