Nag's Lair, Royals Camp

[Taysh]

Is the royals Camp actually considered Champion/ Priest / King?

Or are these actually 3 separate camps, especially if a physical body is not present on 2/3?

[mr_jon3s]

I consider it all one camp. If you are trying to get the monk guy just ask the group at the royals if you can have the spawn. If no one is there take the spawn and if a group moves in tell them they can have the rest but you want that spawn. The camp itself can really only support one group exp wise.

[RDawg816]

Yeah. I'm my experience, that is all the same camp.

[Swish]

I consider it all one camp. If you are trying to get the monk guy just ask the group at the royals if you can have the spawn. If no one is there take the spawn and if a group moves in tell them they can have the rest but you want that spawn. The camp itself can really only support one group exp wise.

Pretty much this, though in other rulings you're entitled to sit on top of a static spawn point and claim it.

As a monk you could probably ask the royals group if you can have the drop, then semi-afk/FD til it appears.

Be nice about it, most groups are quite accommodating in situations like this.... it's not like there's any zone disruption going on.

[Taysh]

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[Taysh]

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[Taysh]

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[mr_jon3s]

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Its all one camp and they need targin. Wait till its open and grab it. Also they are keeping the spawns down and can easily look from champion room into kings room to see if pops are up and pull them.

[Taysh]

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[Taysh]

I was not there for Targin, I was there for 1 mob, the King, which they KS'd once I had the camp cleared. When I got there, there was a mob up, and another popped, then the King. THey came in and stole it.

Was this fair play? Or Am I wrong here? THese are 3 different rooms with 3 different names, how can 1 group claim all 3 without physical presence in 2/3?

[Taysh]

I also offered to help PL them, pull them the King's mobs, and Gave them the targin that spawned, and pull them extra mobs. They told me to gtfo. Was I really wrong here?

[Swish]

I was not there for Targin, I was there for 1 mob, the King, which they KS'd once I had the camp cleared. When I got there, there was a mob up, and another popped, then the King. THey came in and stole it.

Was this fair play? Or Am I wrong here? THese are 3 different rooms with 3 different names, how can 1 group claim all 3 without physical presence in 2/3?

If you're sitting on the spawn point, technically I think you're entitled to claim it. They can pick an alternative royal spawn to sit on and pull to there.

[Manticmuse]

It's bad karma to plop down in one royal room when there is an xp group going on there. The rooms are right next to each other. They can be pulled from a distance and usually are. You said one mob was up. Well, they were clearing it pretty well then. This is not anything out of the ordinary and is in the fact the way sol b has been for, idk, 17 years? Why not come back another time?

[RDawg816]

According to the rules, if you are camping more than one named mob and someone comes to kill 1, you have to concede one of the camps. Isn't that how the rule is worded? Like if you are in Velks killing CE and Frenzy, you have to let someone take CE if they show up. That's my understanding, anyways...

[Swish]

It's bad karma to plop down in one royal room when there is an xp group going on there. The rooms are right next to each other. They can be pulled from a distance and usually are. You said one mob was up. Well, they were clearing it pretty well then. This is not anything out of the ordinary and is in the fact the way sol b has been for, idk, 17 years? Why not come back another time?

I do agree, but as another example...sometimes a lone shaman sits down at hiero and the crypt/emp group are left with the other 3.

[Kieu]

It's not fair play. They're camping Royals... Lol

No one camps just one room there. The experience comes from the entire camp, and you still need to pull other shit. I guess a gm might side with you but it's a dickheaded thing to do.

[Taysh]

It's not fair play. They're camping Royals... Lol

No one camps just one room there. The experience comes from the entire camp, and you still need to pull other shit. I guess a gm might side with you but it's a dickheaded thing to do.

A dickhead thing to do? I wanted legit 1 mob with a cheap item, that I could not find for sale for hours. SO i decided to come camp it, Bugs and beetles was open, a ton of stuff was open, I offered them to Pull them those mobs and melt their mobs in the other camps, I could have blasted their exp bar, yet they told me to GTFO etc etc.

I also offered to dps and pull the King rooms mobs to them at low hps' and when I did more slander began.


The dickhead move here seems for an entire group not to be able to work together with 1 person who could have benefited them in return, not to mention I ASKED to buy the bracer that some Shaman won......THat's all I wanted.. But yeah once again I am the dickhead.

I could understand if one of them actually needed it to equip, but it was up for Greed roll. Either way, I'm over it. I approached them first to ask them what camp they were in, they stated "champion".

[Taysh]

I still don't agree with 3 named camp's = 1 camp. I have been here plenty of times and see people in King room and in Champion room in the past.

[Sajan]

You do realize that taking screenshots isn't fraps right?

P.S. You're a dickhead and I hope you fall in that lava and drown.

[Izzni]

It being one camp is classic.

OP seems to have a serious problem with this game. He ninja loots a Tranquil Staff because he feels he is entitled to it, and now he tries to kill steal off a royals group in Sol B because he feels you are entitled to some bracer. Maybe they don't want to be power leveled and don't want help killing mobs. OP needs to come back some other day when the camp is open and just deal with it.

If you want NGB, then go play WoW. I think most crap is no-drop and everything is instanced. You won't have to worry about bumping heads with other people.

[Taysh]

It being one camp is classic.

OP seems to have a serious problem with this game. He ninja loots a Tranquil Staff because he feels he is entitled to it, and now he tries to kill steal off a royals group in Sol B because he feels you are entitled to some bracer. Maybe they don't want to be power leveled and don't want help killing mobs. OP needs to come back some other day when the camp is open and just deal with it.

If you want NGB, then go play WoW. I think most crap is no-drop and everything is instanced. You won't have to worry about bumping heads with other people.


I didn't ninja shit I thought I won the roll since 2 groups rolled simultaneously, and was also under the impression it was Need before Greed server since thats how all my last groups were, nor were any loot rules stated during group formation.

I petitioned to ask the rules, and then GM came and told me to hand the staff over, while I was spammed with endless amount of streamers who were in game, fucking up my chat box so I could barely keep up with what the GM was saying. I don't use tell windows they crash my game when i try to move them.

I took a minute to hold onto the staff to talk to the GM about loot rules, he finally told me to pass it, I was fucking upset, like really upset, and when I finally went to pass it, unequiped it out of my hand trying to open trade right in front of Kayyte, I was D/c off the game due the impatience of a GM unable to handle the situation who was hastier than appropriate. THe staff was on my cursor, probably why it took so long for them to get it to her.

This post was not about that at all, keep your negativity elsewhere, this was a question of camp rules and point holding. Talk about Greed and entitlement, a group needs to hold 3 named spawns, and when you even step foot before being able to talk you get tells like GTFO etc.....People are garbage these days, and don't wanna work things out. Grats to them on their little bracer that absolutely none of them needed, instead they took it from a noob druid who could of used it. I would love to see what a GM SAYS about these 3 camps. Players love to come up with their own rules, Like how hands / Warlord room are the same camp. NEGATIVE. 2 absolutely different camps.

[Taysh]

Greed driven community, bottom line.

[JackFlash]

Greed driven community, bottom line.

Now you're getting it. Server has been up way too long for NBG son. Cash is king.

You can try to claim a single spawn but good luck doing it after someone is already set up and clearing all. If you were there first and only killing one spawn a group would have to let you stay obviously. You just can't seem to get along with P99 huh?

[Tenlaar]

THese are 3 different rooms with 3 different names, how can 1 group claim all 3 without physical presence in 2/3?

How do you consider a group that is literally 2 or 3 seconds away from the spawn point to not have a physical presence? This is purely an attempt at rule lawyering a group out of a mob that they are camping, and a bad one at that.

[Swish]

Now you're getting it. Server has been up way too long for NBG son. Cash is king.

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(or new server - green/teams/discord) <3

[Taysh]

How do you consider a group that is literally 2 or 3 seconds away from the spawn point to not have a physical presence? This is purely an attempt at rule lawyering a group out of a mob that they are camping, and a bad one at that.

Sp for example, LCY and RCY in Karnors, 2-3 seconds away, why isn't that 1 camp them? Theres named mobs that drop Items, why should 1 group holding 1 point be able to claim 3 Nameds? Sure if no one else is around, thats fine, but when population starts to fill in.....


Same with Hands and Warlord room, 2-3 seconds away, YET 2 TOTTALY different camps, but people wanna say they are 1. Gm stated even himself they are 2 different camps.

[Izzni]

...I thought I won the roll since 2 groups rolled simultaneously...

...was also under the impression it was Need before Greed server since thats how all my last groups were...

...nor were any loot rules stated during group formation...

...I was spammed with endless amount of streamers who were in game, fucking up my chat box so I could barely keep up with what the GM was saying...

...I don't use tell windows they crash my game when i try to move them...

...I took a minute to hold onto the staff to talk to the GM about loot rules...

...I was fucking upset, like really upset...

...when I finally went to pass it [blah blah blah] I was D/c off the game due the impatience of a GM...


That sure is a lot of excuses.

[Thulack]

Sp for example, LCY and RCY in Karnors, 2-3 seconds away, why isn't that 1 camp them? Theres named mobs that drop Items, why should 1 group holding 1 point be able to claim 3 Nameds? Sure if no one else is around, thats fine, but when population starts to fill in.....


Same with Hands and Warlord room, 2-3 seconds away, YET 2 TOTTALY different camps, but people wanna say they are 1. Gm stated even himself they are 2 different camps.

You really not making your point considering LCY in KC has an extended part of it that is not in line of sight of the normal camp spot.

[Tenlaar]

LCY and RCY each have more mobs to access than the few mobs that spawn directly in those rooms. You are trying to say that a group should have to choose which of the rooms that each have 3 or 4 spawns in them and have only those mobs.

But you know what? If a group sets up right in that hallway and pulls the mobs from each courtyard, then yes, I would say they are holding that as one camp too. Because I don't try to rule lawyer people out of killing mobs that they can keep down and are literally seconds away from each other out of some belief that I want is more important than what anybody else wants.

[Izzni]

Sp for example, LCY and RCY in Karnors, 2-3 seconds away, why isn't that 1 camp them?

Because both left and right courtyards have enough mobs to support an experience group.

[Taysh]

Because both left and right courtyards have enough mobs to support an experience group.

Window was open, BUGS was open, general entrance mobs Were open. It was 1 group in the zone the exp group, and some guys camping eefreeti and tranix....


I even offered them the mobs from the King room, all I wanted was the King, They had no druid there who needed the bracer, with my help I could have tripled their exp. Anyways I'm done with this post, I just wanted to know BY GM RULING what the rules were here, not by player based "theory."

You actually have to leave the rooms to come get the mobs that spawn in King room, same with priest...

[JackFlash]

That sure is a lot of excuses.

Solid post.

[JackFlash]

Window was open, BUGS was open, general entrance mobs Were open. It was 1 group in the zone the exp group, and some guys camping eefreeti and tranix....


I even offered them the mobs from the King room, all I wanted was the King, They had no druid there who needed the bracer, with my help I could have tripled their exp. Anyways I'm done with this post, I just wanted to know BY GM RULING what the rules were here, not by player based "theory."

You actually have to leave the rooms to come get the mobs that spawn in King room, same with priest...

If I was in your position, which I have been with my monk (needing code), I would ask nicely if I could DPS outside the group in exchange for the quest item they don't need.

Seems like you went type A douchelawyer on them and, well.......

[Tenlaar]

I even offered them the mobs from the King room, all I wanted was the King,

You even offered the group the mobs they were already camping when you got there? Wow, never mind, now I see what an awesome and generous person you are.

[Swish]

I just wanted to know BY GM RULING what the rules were here, not by player based "theory."

Ask a GM then. Jesus Christ.

[Taysh]

Ask a GM then. Jesus Christ.

I did, no response.

[Swish]

I did, no response.

So you made a thread then threw it back at everyone for replying :rolleyes:

[Taysh]

So you made a thread then threw it back at everyone for replying :rolleyes:

No, I was curious of what the general population believed.

[Ravager]

I believe you'd have spent less energy shrugging the whole thing off and trying again later.

[mr_jon3s]

If you look at https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299 The play nice Policy in the second point it talks about this.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone, you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

[Taysh]

If you look at https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299 The play nice Policy in the second point it talks about this.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone, you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.



THank you this was very knowledgeable!

[JackFlash]

This would be great except royals has always been considered one camp as far as I can remember. I'm sure you can't wait to plop down in king and cite this rule.

[Swish]

When did you jump onto this bandwagon, thought it was always join red will solve your problems

Are you not in the mood for something fresh?

[Erazmus]

I just wanted to know BY GM RULING what the rules were here, not by player based "theory."

No, I was curious of what the general population believed.

I am confused...

[Taysh]

I am confused...

Right, I wanted to know what People think, compared to what an actual GM ruling is.
I won't follow some theory a person creates, I will follow what the GM states though. But with that being said, no GM has responded, and I got all 3 items I was there for so, win win situation for all I guess.
That's all I mean.

[Pokesan]

Are you not in the mood for something fresh?

teams would be pretty dope, discord much less so

green99 won't happen while DBG exists

[TheFaceless]

making more friends I see.

[Kaight]

I wanted legit 1 mob with a cheap item, that I could not find for sale for hours. SO i decided to come camp it ...
Griefing a legit exp group over a camp for a cheap item you were too impatient to wait to buy or come back when the camp was open. And the rest of the server is greedy... k.

[Rygar]

You guys know OP is the monk who got banned / suspended for Ninja looting a T-Staff in KC right? His posts make him seem like he's always the victim. I smell more than meets the eye here.

[Taysh]

Griefing a legit exp group over a camp for a cheap item you were too impatient to wait to buy or come back when the camp was open. And the rest of the server is greedy... k.

Gm ruled that I WAS INDEED Allowed to hold one point, without a physical presence, and I offered to feed them extra EXP, and I let them have targin, which they wanted.

So yes, actually 1 camp trying to hold 3 spots is Greedy, especially when I offered them all kinds of extra help and pulls.

DOn't talk to me anymore, please, ever again. Thanks.

[Taysh]

Griefing a legit exp group over a camp for a cheap item you were too impatient to wait to buy or come back when the camp was open. And the rest of the server is greedy... k.

Also, it wasn't for me, it was for a noob druid. So take your bullshit else where, really sick of your attitude and your personality. BYE!

[Izzni]

Gm ruled that I WAS INDEED Allowed to hold one point, without a physical presence, and I offered to feed them extra EXP, and I let them have targin, which they wanted.

So yes, actually 1 camp trying to hold 3 spots is Greedy, especially when I offered them all kinds of extra help and pulls.

DOn't talk to me anymore, please, ever again. Thanks.

Royals is one camp. No amount of LawyerQuest is going to change that.

You harassed an experience group because they were in your way.

[Tenlaar]

Gm ruled that I WAS INDEED Allowed to hold one point, without a physical presence

If you're trying to say that a GM told you that you're allowed to go to Royals and make the group there give up one of the rooms, I'll have to call bullshit until you provide some evidence.

[Taysh]

Actually, you know what, il never post again, i am so sick of the forum community. You all act like I am such a bad person, yet I do more for people in this game than all of you combined. Worthless trolls. Farewell.

[Izzni]

Actually, you know what, il never post again, i am so sick of the forum community. You all act like I am such a bad person, yet I do more for people in this game than all of you combined. Worthless trolls. Farewell.

It is because you are a bad person. You've now twice involved a GM in some bull crap. In all of my time playing on p1999 I've never had an issue that required a GM to resolve (I believe a raid I was apart of several years ago had a GM show up, but the raid scene is a disaster).

If you've had a GM involved once with a dispute you've had it might be because the other player was an ass, if you've had a GM involved more than once it is you that is an ass, especially within a week or two timeframe.

So yes, you sir are an ass.

[Erazmus]

I just can't imagine wanting an item so badly you'd be willing to destroy your server reputation by walking in someone's camp and saying, "This specific spawn point is mine." Seems kind of silly to me.

As others have said. There was a group already there, and they weren't willing to concede any spawns. There really isn't a grey area here, unless you want to go full retard.

[Taysh]

It is because you are a bad person. You've now twice involved a GM in some bull crap. In all of my time playing on p1999 I've never had an issue that required a GM to resolve (I believe a raid I was apart of several years ago had a GM show up, but the raid scene is a disaster).

If you've had a GM involved once with a dispute you've had it might be because the other player was an ass, if you've had a GM involved more than once it is you that is an ass, especially within a week or two timeframe.

So yes, you sir are an ass.

#1 Show up for one mob, for a bracer for a noob druid.
#2 Asked the group which camp they were in, they replied "Champion."
#3 Said they needed Targin, gave them Targin
#4 Pulled King room trash mobs to them with 5-10% into their room for easy killing, got slandered and cursed off
#5 No physical presence on the named Spawn point, while mobs began repopping
#6 Group had to break up for some reason as it was.
#7 Royals = 3 camps is a player based creation, just like how they say Hands is Warlord. WRONG. A physical body must be in the camp.
#8 I offered to pull them also, bugs and beetles, and whatever else was around and non camped.
#9 I rightfully took the spot, and only wanted 1 mob, and when it popped, they came in and Kill stole it.

Twisted Logic here. You people fucking sicken me, claim things about how I am an asshole and am entitled, yet was there to help a new druid get some gear.

The whole T-Staff thing, totally different story, plus I served my penalty for taking to long to pass the staff over, and during mid pass got d/c off the game.

I have helped well over 500 people in this game with items, exp, money, power leveling, etc. And I am the asshole yeah? Most of you are full of shit, self serving assholes who point the finger at someone who had a bad day, for the rest of their existence, have no forgiveness in your hearts, are sour people to the core, and truthfully, are self serving just as much as everyone said I was.

You cast your judgment on me, fine, do what you want, say what you want. In this situation I was correct. Fucking sick of you internet morons with no lives. Farewell.

[Taysh]

I just can't imagine wanting an item so badly you'd be willing to destroy your server reputation by walking in someone's camp and saying, "This specific spawn point is mine." Seems kind of silly to me.

As others have said. There was a group already there, and they weren't willing to concede any spawns. There really isn't a grey area here, unless you want to go full retard.

Guess what, it wasn't their camp. That's that you all are missing. Not to mention the group broke up due to either unable to keep up with it all after they lost a member.

[Izzni]

...when it popped, they came in and [pulled] it...

Not to mention the group broke up due to either unable to keep up with it all after they lost a member.

So what you are saying is that if you waited patiently, instead of griefing the experience group, you would have ended up with whatever crap you were after in the same amount of time.

The other benefits of having had waited would have been:
-The experience group would have had a more enjoyable time playing EQ.
-You could have gained experience or loot by holding another camp while waiting.
-You would have not further ruined your reputation on the server, such as it is.
-You wouldn't be quite so upset, which would reduce the number of times that you've said you are going to stop posting by at least half.

I'm sure I'm missing many other benefits.

[Landylil]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC474733/

[Castamere]

... BYE!
... il never post again...
... Farewell.
... Fucking sick of you internet morons with no lives. Farewell.

[Spyder73]

You should try Red99 Taysh, you seem to fit the profile for the community...

Sociopath? Check
Piece of sh!t? Check
Brain Problems/Broken Brain? Check
Owner of multiple Fedora's? Unconfirmed but probable...

[Crawdad]

I have helped well over 500 people in this game with items, exp, money, power leveling, etc. And I am the asshole yeah? Most of you are full of shit, self serving assholes who point the finger at someone who had a bad day, for the rest of their existence, have no forgiveness in your hearts, are sour people to the core, and truthfully, are self serving just as much as everyone said I was.

You cast your judgment on me, fine, do what you want, say what you want. In this situation I was correct. Fucking sick of you internet morons with no lives. Farewell.

Yes, you're coming off as an asshole. Royals is 1 camp, has been since classic. If they don't want your help, you aren't 'helping.' You should've just offered to buy it if it dropped and gone somewhere else. Way to play the victim card yet again when you're the douche.

[Taysh]

So what you are saying is that if you waited patiently, instead of griefing the experience group, you would have ended up with whatever crap you were after in the same amount of time.

The other benefits of having had waited would have been:
-The experience group would have had a more enjoyable time playing EQ.
-You could have gained experience or loot by holding another camp while waiting.
-You would have not further ruined your reputation on the server, such as it is.
-You wouldn't be quite so upset, which would reduce the number of times that you've said you are going to stop posting by at least half.

I'm sure I'm missing many other benefits.

- The experience group would have had way more EXP and loot if they weren't complete assholes from the start. I went to talk to them first, and asked them which camp they were in. Reply? Champion room.

- I wasn't gaining any exp, I was there at lvl 58 for a single Mob, which I offered to buy from them if they had any previous ones. No one even needed it in fact, they just wanted to be stubborn like children screaming THIS IS OUR CAMP GTFO.

- You really think I care, about what some people over a 17 year old game who drool over girls who have to feel important by having people watch them play EQ on twitch? - Why would I be upset over this, actually I find joy in watching you people come out of no where with your little comments about how I am an asshole?

- Lmao @ Reputation. What do I need? A raid guild, so i can sit in raids for hours wasting my nights over items with higher digital numbers than other players gear with numbers? Does that what makes me elite? L33t Gamers coming through, damn, shouldn't of hurt my reputation, now I will never have those l33t loots from 17 years ago. Hahahah what a joke.

The funniest part is these people who try to be white knights in front of girl gamers. Lmfao. Humanity is pathetic.

[Taysh]

Yes, you're coming off as an asshole. Royals is 1 camp, has been since classic. If they don't want your help, you aren't 'helping.' You should've just offered to buy it if it dropped and gone somewhere else. Way to play the victim card yet again when you're the douche.

Sorry, Royals is player made. It's obviously 3 separate rooms, which requires you to leave one room to get to the other.

[Landylil]

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[Taysh]

You should try Red99 Taysh, you seem to fit the profile for the community...

Sociopath? Check
Piece of sh!t? Check
Brain Problems/Broken Brain? Check
Owner of multiple Fedora's? Unconfirmed but probable...

Write a story about it.

[Neno]

#7 Royals = 3 camps is a player based creation, just like how they say Hands is Warlord. WRONG. A physical body must be in the camp.

Project 1999 Staff will not be defining what constitutes a camp. Instead, Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will arbitrate spawn disputes on a per-case-basis. We greatly encourage players to find their own resolution to spawn disputes, as the solution provided by the staff will at best be a win-lose situation, and possbily a lose-lose situation. No two decisions, even at the same 'camp', are guaranteed to be the same, as we will take into account multiple factors in making a determination on a 'camp'.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. It should also be noted that if you camp out or leave the zone, you have forfeited a camp. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.


KPC is interesting because it is made up of 3 "rooms" that are very near to each other. The rooms are more akin to cliffs/ledges that all sit inside a larger volcanic chamber. However, the areas do not connect directly to each other and instead all 3 areas connect to the same hallway. So it comes down to the definition of what is "very near to the spawn". Seb Crypt works in a similar way to KPC. 4 Rooms connecting to a larger room. In the past it was very possible for a single person to make their way down to the crypt and contest the herio spawn even with another group in the area.

If both "camps" work the same way then the group that was in champ would have had to move into the king room in order to claim king after the king spawn was contested. If you can no longer contest herio while a group is in the crypt then you probably wouldn't be able to contest king with a group sitting in champ.

[Crawdad]

Sorry, Royals is player made. It's obviously 3 separate rooms, which requires you to leave one room to get to the other.

For someone who hates forums you sure do lawyer hard.

[Xxmethodxx]

Ledge room in Droga is one camp with 3 seperate spawn points and a ledge and is and has always been a single camp. How is this any different. KPC/Royals has ALWAYS been a single camp since the beginning of EQ time. I am sorry a group had it capmed and you wanted to fine print your way through it and I am sorry that the group didnt want your help with EXP even if there were other camps open. Maybe with the lawyerquesting and rules on this server you MAY have a complaint on a technicallity but trying to shake up the way the community has done things for almost 2 decades because you didnt want to wait for your shitty item speaks for itself. You arent doing yourself any favors here trying to convince everyone you arent being a entitled whiner. I am curious in this 7 or 8 pages have you many people that agree with you? Maybe that should make you realize something

[Ennewi]

Sorry, Royals is player made. It's obviously 3 separate rooms, which requires you to leave one room to get to the other.

By definition, none of the three are actually rooms.

[Taysh]

http://i.imgur.com/JsFfx54.jpg

LOL, made my day with this one.

[Thugnuts]

I fuckin love this guy.

Ahngfei for President of Norrath.

He should post weekly newsletters on this forum so we know what he's been up to.

[Cuktus]

Maybe I'm a little over simplistic but ahhh... why not just buy a different wrist item for that druid you were helping? I mean, plenty of wrist items for a druid... Seems easier then fighting over a camp, how mater how right/wrong you may be......

[Bummey]

Wow, dude, you're a real dickwad.

[wwoneo]

Eunomia On Camp Definition (Must be within sight of one vantage point)
[5/3/2015 7:43:31 PM] Eunomia: As the server gets busier, people are fighting over more spawns. I want to make sure we are all on the same page. I am going by* the play nice policy. We do not define camps. Camps are determined by spawn points. Players may claim a "camp" of spawns if the spawn points are visible from one advantage point, the "camp". Anything else they are killing is considered* a second, third etc camp. Once contested, the group there first must pick the area they want to hold. The group contesting may then pick an area left open. If there are mobs left over, they must negotiate. If they cant, they only get one "camp" each. (They seem to work it out better if that is the other option). If players can work out agreements on their own, we dont care what they do. Someone said, what about a dungeon where there are corners. They need to pick the area / spawn point they want and stay there. If no one claims the mob around* the corner, they can pull it until someone else claims it. If someone does claim the spawn point around the corner, they may not pull through that camp to theirs. They would need to move to the spawn if they want something beyond (ie dungeon crawl).

TL;DR
This is how P99 Staff treats a camp. If you can see the spawns from one vantage point, that constitutes the camp. You can see all 3 of the spawn points from either champion or king room. Therefore, it is one single camp. I hope this clarifies things for everyone.

[Taysh]

http://imgur.com/41gjy4s.jpg
http://imgur.com/N564Qay.jpg
http://imgur.com/SRhsnui.jpg
http://imgur.com/vtVq691.jpg
http://imgur.com/fzyjIEG.jpg
http://imgur.com/IV1TqOm.jpg

I am legit honored you took the time out to put this together XD

Amazing

[Troxx]

I didn't ninja shit I thought I won the roll since 2 groups rolled simultaneously, and was also under the impression it was Need before Greed server since thats how all my last groups were, nor were any loot rules stated during group formation.

I petitioned to ask the rules, and then GM came and told me to hand the staff over, while I was spammed with endless amount of streamers who were in game, fucking up my chat box so I could barely keep up with what the GM was saying. I don't use tell windows they crash my game when i try to move them.

I took a minute to hold onto the staff to talk to the GM about loot rules, he finally told me to pass it, I was fucking upset, like really upset, and when I finally went to pass it, unequiped it out of my hand trying to open trade right in front of Kayyte, I was D/c off the game due the impatience of a GM unable to handle the situation who was hastier than appropriate. THe staff was on my cursor, probably why it took so long for them to get it to her.

This post was not about that at all, keep your negativity elsewhere, this was a question of camp rules and point holding. Talk about Greed and entitlement, a group needs to hold 3 named spawns, and when you even step foot before being able to talk you get tells like GTFO etc.....People are garbage these days, and don't wanna work things out. Grats to them on their little bracer that absolutely none of them needed, instead they took it from a noob druid who could of used it. I would love to see what a GM SAYS about these 3 camps. Players love to come up with their own rules, Like how hands / Warlord room are the same camp. NEGATIVE. 2 absolutely different camps.

Shamelessly reposting:


You know, it was very funny to watch the story you wove in your original thread evolve only to settle on the excuse that **I thought I won and was about to hand it over but the GM "was an impatient piece of shit"**

For those interested:

http://imgur.com/a/2Ua04

While at the very start it looks like you probably did honestly think you won, by the 2nd screenshot it had dawned on you that you didn't.
-You then begged her to let you use it until you got a better upgrade
-called the winner a cunt when the answer was no
-whined that you should have just solo'd it
-petitioned the GM first because the situation was 'oh so unfair'
-got counter-petitioned by the whole group
-refused to hand over the stick until a GM showed up
-and then refused to hand over the stick once the GM showed up and ordered you to do so.

Revisionist history doesn't work when people have logs/screenshots of the incident.

Dude is still a shit stain now griefing level 40 players.

[Spyder73]

Clan Tomte dropping knowledge

[w1zard]

Why is this not in RnF yet?

http://i.imgur.com/A0ZJEGr.jpg

[maskedmelon]

I still don't agree with 3 named camp's = 1 camp. I have been here plenty of times and see people in King room and in Champion room in the past.

You are right per the rules. Camps are LoS and if one or more people are camping multiple named, then they must concede one if another player asks. It is up to the existing camp holder to choose which they concede though.

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but if you went about it politely and they told you to fuck off, then fuck them. Whether you behaved foolishly in the past or not does not entitle them to respond as asshats if you engaged them reasonably.

[Tenlaar]

Where is this rule that you can't camp two named that spawn in the same room?

[Crawdad]

You are right per the rules. Camps are LoS and if one or more people are camping multiple named, then they must concede one if another player asks. It is up to the existing camp holder to choose which they concede though.

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but if you went about it politely and they told you to fuck off, then fuck them. Whether you behaved foolishly in the past or not does not entitle them to respond as asshats if you engaged them reasonably.

Short of someone in LGuk trying to claim Frenzy, AM and Lord, I don't think there's a case where this is remotely true. You can claim any static spawns and within reason, as long as you can kill them all, they're yours.

Also, what's with this focus on LOS and being "on the spawn"? Since when have we expected Exp groups to sit on top of spawns to claim a camp? The entirety of most Exp sessions in EQ is finding a safe spot to pull to and setting up camp. This "sitting on spawn" stuff is something lawyerquest created and not reasonable for most people Exping.

[Crawdad]

Short of someone in LGuk trying to claim Frenzy, AM and Lord, I don't think there's a case where this is remotely true. You can claim any static spawns and within reason, as long as you can kill them all, they're yours. You just can't claim multiple camps.

Also, what's with this focus on LOS and being on the spawn? Since when have we expected Exp groups to sit on top of spawns to claim a camp? The entirety of most Exp sessions in EQ is finding a safe spot to pull to and setting up camp. This sitting on spawn stuff is something lawyerquest created and not reasonable for most people Exping.

[Pokesan]

troxx with the shameful self quote

[maskedmelon]

Those rules only apply when I think they should, because I am less selfish and greedy than other people who are more selfish and greedy.

Oh yeah?

[wwoneo]

Eunomia On Camp Definition (Must be within sight of one vantage point)
[5/3/2015 7:43:31 PM] Eunomia: As the server gets busier, people are fighting over more spawns. I want to make sure we are all on the same page. I am going by* the play nice policy. We do not define camps. Camps are determined by spawn points. Players may claim a "camp" of spawns if the spawn points are visible from one advantage point, the "camp". Anything else they are killing is considered* a second, third etc camp. Once contested, the group there first must pick the area they want to hold. The group contesting may then pick an area left open. If there are mobs left over, they must negotiate. If they cant, they only get one "camp" each. (They seem to work it out better if that is the other option). If players can work out agreements on their own, we dont care what they do. Someone said, what about a dungeon where there are corners. They need to pick the area / spawn point they want and stay there. If no one claims the mob around* the corner, they can pull it until someone else claims it. If someone does claim the spawn point around the corner, they may not pull through that camp to theirs. They would need to move to the spawn if they want something beyond (ie dungeon crawl).

TL;DR
This is how P99 Staff treats a camp. If you can see the spawns from one vantage point, that constitutes the camp. You can see all 3 of the spawn points from either champion or king room. Therefore, it is one single camp. I hope this clarifies things for everyone.

This is a direct quote from the staff. Do you guys not read?

[Crawdad]

Oh yeah?

You F&R guys are weird. Didn't notice this got moved until I quoted myself trying to edit :o

If you want to reply with a source or example contrary to what I said, I'm happy to reply. Otherwise I guess continue doing whatever you do here.

[Xaanka]

10 pages? this would have never happened on red.

[Spyder73]

10 pages? this would have never happened on red.

You have to have people to play with in order for there to be disputes - DERP

[Taysh]

All I truly wanted out of this whole post, was to see if Trox would use his #1 insult "shit stain" on me again.

[Xerxes]

Youre all jerks Taysh is awesome

[Achromatic]

oh look its the T-staff ninja making another lengthy RnF post

[Troubled]

Welp a group's camping royals, better plop down in one of the rooms like a prick, just like those guys that camp hiero in seb crypt.

[Taysh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcfBrZ760EE

[Taysh]

I love that you all hate me. Honestly, it makes my day.

[Taysh]

Tune in next week for more drama.

[Spyder73]

Previously on Taysh.0 ......

Episode 1 - Tranquil Rage
GM Sirken drops the ban hammer on Taysh after he loses his sh!t when a T-Staff drops and he loses the roll.

Episode 2 - Hail to the King
Taysh steals Royals XP camp from level 40 XP group to farm a 100pp item and then lawyer quests his way glory.

Episode 3 - Because f#ck em'
Taysh does 36 hour marathon in the Highpass Keep basement in order to collect Goblin Ears to fund Wu's Quivering Staff fund.

Episode 4 - Money Driven World
Taysh confronts a Necromancer who will not share Oasis spectre camp. Taysh claims the tower as his own and refuses to leave. GM Sirken successfully walks Taysh off the ledge when he threatens suicide (by jumping from the roof) after wiping twice.

Tune in next week for another exciting edition of Taysh.0

[xKoopa]

Welp at least op is sorta famous now

[Taysh]

Lol!!!!

[Ket]

Maybe I'm a little over simplistic but ahhh... why not just buy a different wrist item for that druid you were helping? I mean, plenty of wrist items for a druid... Seems easier then fighting over a camp, how mater how right/wrong you may be......

Dude's got a point. I mean, if you were helping a new druid like you claim, and being all benevolent and shit, I'm sure this poor gearless druid wouldn't begrudge you getting him a different bracer. Or shit, just give him some plat and drop him in EC.

Sure woulda saved you a whole heap of trouble.

I'm glad you didn't though. This thread is solid.

[Jimjam]

Dude's got a point. I mean, if you were helping a new druid like you claim, and being all benevolent and shit, I'm sure this poor gearless druid wouldn't begrudge you getting him a different bracer. Or shit, just give him some plat and drop him in EC.

Sure woulda saved you a whole heap of trouble.

I'm glad you didn't though. This thread is solid.

I interpreted what I read as OP was getting the bracer for his own low level druid, but perhaps I was mistaken in how I understood it...

[Fame]

This is one entitled generation we have coming up boys. Participation trophies for all!

[Jimjam]

This is one entitled generation we have coming up boys. Participation trophies for all!

We used to call those 'certificates of attendance'. Must get expensive to print them on metal instead of paper?

[Samoht]

Am I wrong here?

Yup. /thread