The left has gone full retard

[Alarti0001]

Im not dumb you are the one fighting 160 years of socialist history. Did you even read what you posted? Its just more of the same trying to distance themselves from the core ideology. Trying to make distinctions that arent even distinctions but more or less just describe an incrementalist approach to the same outcome. Here is the distinction trying to be made. Soviets were autocratic and socialism-lite pretends to be democratic but only in so much as it is a step towards autocratic socialism.

Edit: the particular labels of squares are different depending on the book basically. Some say the bottom right one is Capitalism and the upper right one is Fascism -- which I find to be easier to accept for most Americans...but probably less accurate. The very top of the right square is probably Fascism, where Capitalism (as in what we have in America) is more toward the bottom. Most of Asia is closer to Fascism than capitalism IMO (Japan is an obvious exception).

There is a distinction in Europe between Conservative welfare states like Germany -- that want to keep the traditional family in tact and keep hierarchies going -- compared to a Socialist welfare states; which want real equality to be promoted.

Wonder how different political science treats that graph outside of the US

[Alarti0001]

Serious question for you leftists (except Alarti, who is incapable of critical thought). Do you feel this is a fair description of your opinion:

1. We have seen a massive increase in social redistribution programs in the United States during the past 50 years
2. These programs primarily benefit the bureaucracy, e.g. welfare doesn't reduce poverty, Obamacare doesn't increase healthcare coverage, etc
3. You want more social redistribution programs or at least to maintain the ones we have

Says the guy getting proved wrong by members on both sides of the argument.

[Pokesan]

I believe in the idiotic strawman you've presented Raev

[Nihilist_santa]

The largest redistribution that has occurred since the 1950's (The time of the greatest economic equality in US history) has been wealth into the hands of corporations and the financial elite, through deregulation, wage depression, declining union membership, political corruption, globalization, and cultural changes.

I want universal healthcare. I want the government to start trustbusting again and breaking up the monopolies and cartels that have developed in nearly every American industry. I want the traditions and practices of unions to make a comeback so labor isn't getting raped so fucking hard. Not public sector unions. I want business interests and Democrats to stop blocking immigration reform worldwide, depressing wages and driving up safety net costs across Europe and the US. I want multinational corporations to pay the taxes they owe (They use all the benefits of globalization including cheap labor, access to domestic infrastructure, education, and technological sophistication, but still use national borders to hide their money from being taxed).

However, none of the above can happen if the Ayn Rand/Libertarian selfishness and contempt for collective responsibility that spread like a plague since Reagan is wiped out, and none of it can happen until political campaigns are free of bribery. Luckily the voting trends of young people seem to indicate that things are headed in that direction.

I'm not going to argue about your perception of the growth/efficacy of social programs/liberalism over the last 50 years because you continually fail to address my points.

Its not the objectivist you have to worry about blocking what you want. Its the fact that what you want will only happen successfully in a culturally homogenous state. See if we have to live in a relativist multiculturalist society then rampant capitalism and liberalism is what you will get. If you want deep communal ties, sense of duty, and a collectivist state that works for the interest of the people then you need national socialism. Think of ethnocentric nationalism as the tie that binds the fasci.

[Nihilist_santa]

Says the guy getting proved wrong by members on both sides of the argument.

Did anyone really expect this guy to answer some direct questions involving his views?

[JurisDictum]

Its not the objectivist you have to worry about blocking what you want. Its the fact that what you want will only happen successfully in a culturally homogenous state. See if we have to live in a relativist multiculturalist society then rampant capitalism and liberalism is what you will get. If you want deep communal ties, sense of duty, and a collectivist state that works for the interest of the people then you need national socialism. Think of ethnocentric nationalism as the tie that binds the fasci.

It is true that this is a good explanation for why we don't have the kind of government that they have in the more successful European countries. But that doesn't mean we cannot find ways to form social cohesion without ethnic homogeneity.

Basically Civic Nationalism -- where you feel connection to be a citizen of America -- is lot prettier than ethnic nationalism. The problem with some Muslim populations is not that their skin is brown and they believe Mohammad is the profit. The problem is they reject what it means to be American. But when you make it about being Muslim, we can't make the distinction between Muslims that believe in America and Muslims that want to make some kind of shitty theocracy out of America.

So people like Obama -- who conservatives hated a lot more than Clinton for some reason...:rolleyes: -- try to stay away from making this about religion or race. They want to keep it about politics. We also try to bring the younger generations together regardless of race/cultural background (we don't waste the effort on older people). Hopefully we can eventually create enough civic nationalism in due time, without having to resort to ethnic nationalism like Santa advocates for here.

[Nihilist_santa]

It is true that this is a good explanation for why we don't have the kind of government that they have in the more successful European countries. But that doesn't mean we cannot find ways to form social cohesion without ethnic homogeneity.

Basically Civic Nationalism -- where you feel connection to be a citizen of America -- is lot prettier than ethnic nationalism. The problem with some Muslim populations is not that their skin is brown and they believe Mohammad is the profit. The problem is they reject what it means to be American. But when you make it about being Muslim, we can't make the distinction between Muslims that believe in America and Muslims that want to make some kind of shitty theocracy out of America.

So people like Obama -- who conservatives hated a lot more than Clinton for some reason...:rolleyes: -- try to stay away from making this about religion or race. They want to keep it about politics. We also try to bring the younger generations together regardless of race/cultural background (we don't waste the effort on older people). Hopefully we can eventually create enough civic nationalism in due time, without having to resort to ethnic nationalism like Santa advocates for here.

How does the left propose civic nationalism when they perpetuate identity politics? They make victims of minorities and create resentment towards America. Literally what you described is how it was always setup to be and it worked pretty well until we opened immigration to non-europeans. I see your point though its like Jews. They got to come in on the "white and european" bandwagon but have destroyed this country (and every other one they have been in) and have divided allegiances between the US and Israel a divided cultural identity.

[Raev]

1. ignores the massive roll back of welfare in the 80s, and trys to blame the middle class decline following the 80s on stuff that happened in the 40s-50s (when the middle class came rose and became strong).

If we amend this to 'nonmonotonic' will you be satisfied? Also, I'm curious why you think a decline in welfare (the bottom 15%) would be destructive to the middle class.

2. Obamacare did increase coverage. Deal with it. BTW, the conservative governors purposefully tried to sabotage the program throughout most of conservative America. This is why you notice much more issues with Obamacare in conservative states than liberal ones. All that being said, I want socialized medicine for all. There will still be private medicine for the rich if they want cushy waiting rooms and more patient drs.

So I had to look this up. this (http://www.gallup.com/poll/190484/uninsured-rate-lowest-eight-year-trend.aspx) was the best data I could find. It looks like Obamacare (implemented 2010) did nothing but when the government started to tax people for not having insurance, they bought it. So I'm going to say you're right and my information was a bit out of date, but I'm not really sure that's an achievement.

3. I want us to change directions when it comes to social programs. I don't want programs that help people subsist in poverty. I want programs that invest in the workforce, programs that train people in skills than place them in jobs. I want programs that allow preferential loans to particularly productive things -- like college and home ownership. In short, I want to take the programs that work in Europe, and modify them as necessary to work for America.

I'll take this as you agreeing with #2, that our current programs suck.

But you aren't different from LBJ. He specifically wanted programs that gave people a boost out of poverty, not ones that kept them there forever. In fact, I don't think welfare has ever been intended to do that, yet that is what we have.

Again, given the past history of social programs simply not accomplishing their goals, how do you expect to succeed this time? And remember, the obstinate Republican governors aren't going way.

The largest redistribution that has occurred since the 1950's (The time of the greatest economic equality in US history) has been wealth into the hands of corporations and the financial elite, through deregulation, wage depression, declining union membership, political corruption, globalization, and cultural changes.
100% agree, but it doesn't mean that the social programs haven't increased. This is why I don't like socialism: it is always corrupted.

I want universal healthcare. I want the government to start trustbusting again and breaking up the monopolies and cartels that have developed in nearly every American industry. I want the traditions and practices of unions to make a comeback so labor isn't getting raped so fucking hard. Not public sector unions. I want business interests and Democrats to stop blocking immigration reform worldwide, depressing wages and driving up safety net costs across Europe and the US. I want multinational corporations to pay the taxes they owe (They use all the benefits of globalization including cheap labor, access to domestic infrastructure, education, and technological sophistication, but still use national borders to hide their money from being taxed).
I mean, you have my full support for trustbusting (I'd love to see corporate progressive income tax), immigration reform, and elimination of public sector unions. I don't think your problem there is the libertarians but the politicians and their corporate masters who profit immensely from the current state of affairs.

IIRC our corporate tax rate was the highest in the world but I'm not really knowledgeable about that area.

I believe in the idiotic strawman you've presented Raev
You are remarkably bad at posting on the internet.

[Alarti0001]

Did anyone really expect this guy to answer some direct questions involving his views?

The irony of your statement. Pot and kettle

Seems you care about the militarys?


So you retract your statement then? Please explain a realistic scenario where a "league of nations" attacks the USA. I'm waiting although it seems obvious you don't want to answer my question with your sidestep there at the end.

[Pokesan]

You are remarkably bad at posting on the internet.

http://i.imgur.com/WATPX1i.jpg

[Nihilist_santa]

The irony of your statement. Pot and kettle

You really are some kind of special. I am used to your style though. Trying to goad me into some argument about a conventional attack on the US mainland. You do realize we have allies, treaties, assets, and territories outside of the mainland US correct? and that those need protecting?

[Alarti0001]

You really are some kind of special. I am used to your style though. Trying to goad me into some argument about a conventional attack on the US mainland. You do realize we have allies, treaties, assets, and territories outside of the mainland US correct? and that those need protecting?

You aren't even getting the concept. Keep thinking...but don't hurt yourself.
Here is a hint... there is more going on in a global engagement then just military might.

All I am trying to goad you into, is thinking. So far I've been unsuccessful you truly have a special aversion to complex thought.

[Nihilist_santa]

Jesus.....

Can you stay on topic just once? Lets retrace. You mentioned cutting the military budget and using that money for further expansion of social welfare programs. Then you started some BS about we dont have to worry about wars or some shit. Now you are talking about shit like economic warfare, cultural warfare, and other shit (I assume) which had nothing to do with why you feel we need to reallocate those funds to the already wasteful and ineffective social welfare programs. Now you come in and try to derail further since you dont have a point to make.

[Alarti0001]

Guy talks about facts and semantics then comes in and redefines socialism a very specific economic theory as being some defacto state when people work together. Great job there. Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us. No wonder your fucking guild tanked on red.

I was asked a question which I answered and you responded with this ^^^. So if anyone is changing the subject its you.



However, for the sake of pinning you to an answer which country would dare attack the USA? I don't say we need no military spending we just don't need 600billion worth.
I wonder if you will ever actually answer a question.

Be warned if you answer China, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Russia, be prepared for me to laugh at you. If you answer Iran or North Korea be prepared for me to laugh at you and dismiss you as irrelevant in the future.

My response to you

Socialism is very specific dude(control of the means of production by the state). You are just showing how full of BS you are. Im not a moron like you so I dont think in simplistic terms of 1 single enemy working alone attacking the US. Starting to doubt you were in the military at this point. Who cares about militarys. Rome wasnt defeated by a military it was defeated by importation of immigrants and over extension of its military,political infighting, and economic disaster caused by slavery.

Here you attempt to change the subject without answering the question (likely because you aren't mentally capable)


Jesus.....

Can you stay on topic just once? Lets retrace. You mentioned cutting the military budget and using that money for further expansion of social welfare programs. Then you started some BS about we dont have to worry about wars or some shit. Now you are talking about shit like economic warfare, cultural warfare, and other shit (I assume) which had nothing to do with why you feel we need to reallocate those funds to the already wasteful and ineffective social welfare programs. Now you come in and try to derail further since you dont have a point to make.

And now you ask me to stay on topic and to find a point. You can't answer a single one of my questions effectively. Instead you just flail around and project your shortcomings onto others. Seek help kiddo.

[Nihilist_santa]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes..

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

[Alarti0001]

All of your problems are solved through ethno-nationalism friend. You guys have been brainwashed into thinking nationalism = imperialism when its the opposite. Globalism is the imperialist force in the word and the left is the only end of that spectrum that pushes global egalitarianism which has to be enforced through global governance.

Also your "more liberal with more education" line is BS. Its well known that people become more conservative over time. Guess that means that youthful idealism drives leftism while experience and wisdom drive conservatism. Something about acquiring private property tends to do that though.

Also want to add that you sound like one of the brown butthurts getting the deportation force come January.

Can you be an ICE reservist or something? Im a civic minded kind of guy so just trying to do my part.

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

Would you like to quote that post then so we can see which post you speak of?

[Alarti0001]

Raev,

You just need to learn to ask the right questions. He hasn't argued that the programs work or that he even likes them. In fact he's indicated quite the contrary. The two of you are debating different things. You are arguing that what he wants has failed. He is arguing that is not what he wanted. It seems to me you both agree that the programs are shit and ought to be scrapped. The difference is what you each think should be done instead of what we have. Why not ask what he thinks should be done? Right now you are debating phantoms.

Alarti,

Do you have examples of social programs that you think work, or that you would like to see? What do you think needs to be done and how? It seems to m that you would like to see some form of basic income. What about price controls, tax, personal property and social reparations? You've previously indicated a preference for socialism or even communism, but have yet to define those terms as you understand them. Given your unconventional (at least in the us and on these boards) view of left/right, expanding on your views might help.

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes.

Guy talks about facts and semantics then comes in and redefines socialism a very specific economic theory as being some defacto state when people work together. Great job there. Says we dont need military spending because no one will attack us. No wonder your fucking guild tanked on red.


This one? The one where I said we don't need to spend 600 billion on the military? In your convoluted and disjointed way of thinking you somehow took not spending 600 billion means I want to spend 0 dollars?


I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

You no what I notice? You again tried to dodge the question.

[Nihilist_santa]

I think the programs as they are implemented are crap not the idea of social programs.

Socialism is a very very very broad term. However, the window-lickers on this forum just label socialism as one bad thing to constantly guard against. The USA is a socialist country. Just about every country is a socialist country to some degree. It's a spectrum... and I'm not talking about the autism spectrum that Santa, Raev, and Daywolf are clearly deep into.

To say I like socialism is akin to saying yes, I like humanity and its ability to better itself through cooperative effort.

I never expressed a like for communism however. Communism is not a system designed for humans who are slaves to biological function. Just like Ayn Rand's version of libertarian doesn't take into account basic humanity.

Taxation is necessary it just needs to be put to better use. Taxation is best served improving the lives of the taxpayer, meaning education, infrastructure, health, and retirement. We don't need 600 billion dollars spent on the military especially since no sovereign country is going to attack us.

If you mean price controls as is preventing price gouging by companies with monopolies or near monopolies than yes that is necessary... Take pharmaceutical companies as an example.

Social reparations... assuming you mean racial reparations etc. I think its an idiotic term. Yes the USA did a bad thing... No I'm not responsible for that bad thing.
However, the end goal of the government should be the betterment of citizens lives. The solution to years of racism and slavery plus lack of societal and economic integration is not handing out a check. This solution isn't about race though its about all the disenfranchised or impoverished, education and reduction of poverty are the best means for the upward mobility of a social class.
The idea that everyone has equal chance to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a lame myth. People who grow up in poverty have very very limited resources to improve their lives.
An often un-thought of fact: If you want to save money on good a person who has access to cash can buy goods in bulk. I poor person living paycheck to paycheck has to buy at top prices always. Being poor is expensive.
In any case Companies are not job creators. Consumers are job creators, purchasing power is what makes jobs, and removing poverty is the best way to create jobs, increase wages, and improve quality of life for every citizen across economic classes.

:)

[Alarti0001]

I noticed you left out your initial post that shows how full of shit you are and how far you took the discussion off topic you slimy shit. See where above you tried to act like because you say so we dont need a military budget? See how that was in response to someone asking you about social programs? Now either you are the dude from Momento or you have to be one of the most dishonest posters on this forum.

:)

too slow

[Nihilist_santa]

This one? The one where I said we don't need to spend 600 billion on the military? In your convoluted and disjointed way of thinking you somehow took not spending 600 billion means I want to spend 0 dollars?

Thats right man keep digging. Its all laid bare for others to see. Look at you trying to change the subject again and reframing shit. If you arent aware you do this man you are on some whole other level of sociopathy.

[Alarti0001]

Thats right man keep digging. Its all laid bare for others to see. Look at you trying to change the subject again and reframing shit. If you arent aware you do this man you are on some whole other level of sociopathy.

What am I dodging? Please clarify so I can answer. Say what I'm dodging.

You know how like I keep quoting the same question you're dodging.

[Pokesan]

jesus.

remind me never to fuck with alarti

[Jorgam]

Let us please return to the subject at hand! Sheesh!

View the video in the first post if you haven't and let us know what you think.

Thanks!

[maskedmelon]

She's a little racist millennial exploiting tragedy to promote a cause she has adopted in an effort to numb a portion of the maddening pain wrought of a lack of purpose forged in the sloth and apathy birthed of a society free of meaningful struggle.

[Jorgam]

She's a little racist millennial exploiting tragedy to promote a cause she has adopted in an effort to numb a portion of the maddening pain wrought of a lack of purpose forged in the sloth and apathy birthed of a society free of meaningful struggle.

Well put, but it is no excuse. If it was just this one person i could accept your reasoning easier, however it is a wave of these sorts who think they are advancing "justice". They need to be shut down.

[Pokesan]

who did she racism? how badly harmed were they?

[Jorgam]

who did she racism? how badly harmed were they?

Are you implying that some racism and hate speech are victimless crimes? That can't be! The left makes it their business and lives are ruined over personal beliefs that some consider racist.

[Pokesan]

Are you implying that some racism and hate speech are victimless crimes? That can't be! The left makes it their business and lives are ruined over personal beliefs that some consider racist.

nope. try again champ!

[Ahldagor]

They just want to sound smart. They want to try to bring up arcane parables that literally have nothing to do with the conversation. He brought up Descarte to try to push some back of the van philosophy of his about why he thinks people follow certain lines of thinking. He brings up some parable from Kant about duty and ethics even though we live in a post modern society that has destroyed values and the traditional institutions that was derived from (family, state, community, racial groups etc).

We need more misology. People like Jews have high verbal I.Q. and the left has used that to build rhetoric which they use to destroy traditional values. People are catching on and are sick of the BS. You guys cant stay on topic because anytime we point out a flaw or failing you want to switch the subject to something else.

Paragon post of a Cartesian Ego. Even breaks down into ad hominem. Thank you for providing evidence of my theory.

[maskedmelon]

who did she racism? how badly harmed were they?

She piously identified uncomfortable truths. THAT is racist. We all know this. Stop playing dumb...

[Pokesan]

She piously identified uncomfortable truths. THAT is racist. We all know this. Stop playing dumb...

Hurt feelings aren't why racism is poorly regarded!

[Alarti0001]

Thats right man keep digging. Its all laid bare for others to see. Look at you trying to change the subject again and reframing shit. If you arent aware you do this man you are on some whole other level of sociopathy.

What am I dodging? Please clarify so I can answer. Say what I'm dodging.

You know how like I keep quoting the same question you're dodging.

waiting

[Nihilist_santa]

waiting

Your stupid and irrelevant question about which military will attack the US mainland? Perhaps if you bothered to read my response you would see I already answered that question. You are trying to frame up something as being "either or" and its not that way. You still haven't explained how taking money from the military and spending it further on failed programs helps anything.

As far as you dodging when the hell do you answer direct questions? You answered Raev but managed to spin it from being about your support of failure to being about you being correct about future war scenarios as if that is the only aspect to the original question of military spending. Keep up fucktard.

[Alarti0001]

Your stupid and irrelevant question about which military will attack the US mainland? Perhaps if you bothered to read my response you would see I already answered that question. You are trying to frame up something as being "either or" and its not that way. You still haven't explained how taking money from the military and spending it further on failed programs helps anything.

As far as you dodging when the hell do you answer direct questions? You answered Raev but managed to spin it from being about your support of failure to being about you being correct about future war scenarios as if that is the only aspect to the original question of military spending. Keep up fucktard.

I asked you to explain a situation that our military would need to defend us against attack from other nations? Why won't you answer if you need to rephrase the question. Quit dodging.


Can you demonstrate how I dodged a question from Raev? The war scenarios response was a direct answer to your statement and was not directed at raev. Try again. Seriously though you keep alluding to my question dodging. Just quote a direct question and answer to demonstrate a dodge... Can you? I bet not.

If you believe I'm dodging a question, ask it plainly I'll gladly answer it. I think its more likely your "dodge" claims is really just a way for you to avoid thinking or answering anything yourself. It's easy to run around throwing accusations but how do you expect anyone to take you as a serious adult if you are too afraid to back up your assertions? Childish.

[sOurDieSel]

You've obviously never seen Red Dawn.

Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze commanding the Wolverines will save us from invasion... duh.

Now go back to claiming that importing millions of violent 3rd worlders is just what the USA needs in order to make up for like White Guilt, Slavery, Colonization and Muh Holocaust you cuck.

[Alarti0001]

guess not

[AzzarTheGod]

jesus.

remind me never to fuck with alarti

this *****s a beast. U see me steering clear, ill show u how to survive.

[Nihilist_santa]

I know you consider Hillary on the (your?) right, but who do you consider to be to your left? Who do you consider to be more or less where you are? Are there any American politicians? How about foreign politicians/governments?

Is that why the left traditionally kills off the intelligentsia when taking power and actively promotes "reducation"?

was in response to this - Well keeping people stupid is one of the best ways to maintain an authoritarian government.

One that has been asked several times but not directly perhaps is your justification for expanding failed programs, programs you admit do not work. You wanted to go off about some fake war to divert from answering that one.

Get Rekt Nerd.

[JurisDictum]

Everyone should read:

http://www.burmalibrary.org/docs13/The_Dictators_Handbook.pdf

I know none of you guys will take this advice. But it really does explain politics better than most books. The language is approachable to anyone who reads at an adult level.

Bonus: the book explains why people hate Carly Fiorina! Most sensible people on both sides the isle thinks she was a horrible CEO.

[AzzarTheGod]

Is that why the left traditionally kills off the intelligentsia when taking power and actively promotes "reducation"?

Powerplay.

[Pokesan]

Everyone should read:

http://www.burmalibrary.org/docs13/The_Dictators_Handbook.pdf

I know none of you guys will take this advice. But it really does explain politics better than most books. The language is approachable to anyone who reads at an adult level.

Bonus: the book explains why people hate Carly Fiorina! Most sensible people on both sides the isle thinks she was a horrible CEO.

hmm read 190 pages to be told what to think or post whatever i want whenever i want and none of you can stop me?"

tough decision

[Alarti0001]

was in response to this -

One that has been asked several times but not directly perhaps is your justification for expanding failed programs, programs you admit do not work. You wanted to go off about some fake war to divert from answering that one.

Get Rekt Nerd.

You still didn't answer my question.

A failed program doesn't negate "big government" all it shows is that a program failed. Do you even think? I never justified expanding failed programs... could you please demonstrate where I did.. If I did it would be in this thread somewhere please quote it... cause I don't see it there.


Also, you keep saying the left traditionally kills off intelligentsia. Care to try to prove that? Or do you think that I must take everything you say as true? Dumbbbbb

I see you avoiding this thread...is it because you realize you are clueless finally?

[maerilith]

ya'll are fucking retards and raycis scum

/thread

[Daywolf]

awww... and OT has been doing so good lately. Now Ma0erwthli back from ban, and once again will flood kill the OT forum of a game he doesn't even have installed :rolleyes:

[Pokesan]

my lady!

welcome back

[sOurDieSel]

ya'll are fucking retards and raycis scum

/thread

Feels good to be cisscum... I mean normal. Thanks.