Do you hope for Trump or Clinton to win? [Archive]

Lune

06-17-2016, 06:57 PM

I'll never understand the right-wing fascination with Putin. How can you like Putin? Because you feel he is a "badass" due to the carefully tailored image he presents? Because the degenerate backwards-ass Russian culture adores him?

Do you have any idea how corrupt his administration is? What a slimy person he is? It's like having Rod Blagojevich for president. Does that even matter to you?

I guess it's enough that he takes his shirt off and rides horses and then flies fighter jets. Trump supporters, good God.

maskedmelon

06-17-2016, 07:15 PM

I guess it's enough that he takes his shirt off and rides horses and then flies fighter jets.

How could it NOT be?

AzzarTheGod

06-17-2016, 07:18 PM

we neva vote Hillary eva eva. shes worse than john Kerry on the flip flop and pandering

Jorgam

06-17-2016, 07:20 PM

Trump is the only one who has the guts to say many things that need to be said in this day of out of control, militant political correctness. He is also the only one who can take the heat of the blowback from speaking uncomfortable truths.

You may not like him, but voting for president should not be about who you want at your weekend BBQ or in your wedding party, but who can take this country and these peoples in the right direction.

70 some percent believe we are heading the wrong direction under Obama. Hillary will just be an extension of the division and failed leftism that we've endured under Obama.

I'm shocked at how democrats, the party of the typical "fuck the man" voter, is so ready to vote for the most "The Man" candidate in my life time. She might be a woman, but she is everything I believed the left despised and fought to resist.

Shame.

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 07:31 PM

I'll never understand the right-wing fascination with Putin.

Please explain. How is there a "right-wing fascination with Putin." Do you have quotes from right-wing pundits in the US who would like to have a Putin figure as the POTUS?

What amuses me, a little, are socialists who don't even understand that the government of the USA is the people and then they want to go on and try to talk about who is the right-wing. Go figure.

Villide

06-17-2016, 07:41 PM

Trump is the only one who has the guts to say many things that need to be said in this day of out of control, militant political correctness. He is also the only one who can take the heat of the blowback from speaking uncomfortable truths.
Blah, blah, blah, political correctness, blah, blah blah. It's as if Trump typed this directly into your brain.

"Political correctness" is a completely bogus meme made by people who don't really have the courage of their convictions. If you believe something strongly, nothing I (or any group of people) say should prevent you from stating your opinion. Frankly, the whining about "political correctness" is intended to allow people to say stupid shit without being called on it.

Anyway, if you think Trump is out there speaking the truth, you're definitely his target audience.

AzzarTheGod

06-17-2016, 07:50 PM

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 07:55 PM

Oh the grand right-wing conspiracy hehehe
Putin is KGB. 0bama is a globalist puppet.
It's all about Eurasia vs. Oceania.

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 07:59 PM

Blah, blah, blah, political correctness, blah, blah blah. It's as if Trump typed this directly into your brain.

"Political correctness" is a completely bogus meme made by people who don't really have the courage of their convictions. If you believe something strongly, nothing I (or any group of people) say should prevent you from stating your opinion.

Really? So, if I publicly say that I will never bake a cake for a homosexual couple, then nothing should prevent me from saying that? I suppose you're so insulated from reality you don't understand that some have literally lost their businesses because they refuse to cater to homosexuals?

Villide

06-17-2016, 08:05 PM

Really? So, if I publicly say that I will never bake a cake for a homosexual couple, then nothing should prevent me from saying that? I suppose you're so insulated from reality you don't understand that some have literally lost their businesses because they refuse to cater to homosexuals?
"Literally". Did they choose to close or were they forced?

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 08:06 PM

"Literally". Did they choose to close or were they forced?

The Oregon couple who spoke their mind (who owned a baking company and refused to bake a cake for a gay marriage) was forced to close their small company by the government who sued them along with the homosexuals who sued them in civil court. So what were you saying?

Jorgam

06-17-2016, 08:13 PM

Blah, blah, blah, political correctness, blah, blah blah. It's as if Trump typed this directly into your brain.

"Political correctness" is a completely bogus meme made by people who don't really have the courage of their convictions. If you believe something strongly, nothing I (or any group of people) say should prevent you from stating your opinion. Frankly, the whining about "political correctness" is intended to allow people to say stupid shit without being called on it.

Anyway, if you think Trump is out there speaking the truth, you're definitely his target audience.

This is political correctness and it is weaponized. Take your denial back to your safe space, because this is what the real world looks like now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd4kX66uG1M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkpHwI78W5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIT5w_k4mA

Jorgam

06-17-2016, 08:15 PM

"Literally". Did they choose to close or were they forced?

You are a reality denier.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-bakery-pay-gay-couple-refused-cake-article-1.2103577

http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505

maskedmelon

06-17-2016, 08:20 PM

You are a reality denier.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-bakery-pay-gay-couple-refused-cake-article-1.2103577

http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505

I would appreciate it if you would just call him an asshole or something. I do not want my particularly benign brand of delusion sullied by his hate mongering.

Thank you,

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 08:28 PM

Unless it's a muslim bakery, of course. Because then that's ok /nodnod

Jorgam

06-17-2016, 08:28 PM

I would appreciate it if you would just call him an asshole or something. I do not want my particularly benign brand of delusion sullied by his hate mongering.

Thank you,

I'll see what I can do in the future. :p

Jorgam

06-17-2016, 08:31 PM

Unless it's a muslim bakery, of course. Because then that's ok /nodnod

Walmart will bake you any kind of cake you want, as long as it isn't a confederate flag!

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/walmart-apologizes-making-isis-cake-man-denied-confederate/story?id=32103721

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 08:33 PM

Unless it's a muslim bakery, of course. Because then that's ok /nodnod

Yeah, no shit! The left in the USA is all over themselves trying to make Omar Matten just some unhappy, sexually repressive, homosexual, that finally couldn't make his sexual desire for men work with Islam. No, he couldn't have been a Muslim terrorist, because he was just a repressed gay man! :rolleyes:

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 08:43 PM

Well I wouldn't be surprised if his father told him to do it, happens all the time where he came from. That's where Omar got a lot of his anti-American fervor from. From daddy, from islam radicals, from democrat left propaganda. Country needs to wake up.

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 08:49 PM

As for the poll, I hope liberty wins. Seems in short supply now.

Lune

06-17-2016, 09:18 PM

The Oregon couple who spoke their mind (who owned a baking company and refused to bake a cake for a gay marriage) was forced to close their small company by the government who sued them along with the homosexuals who sued them in civil court. So what were you saying?

Good, I hope they lost everything.

Denying protected classes service when serving the general public directly violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Commerce is not protected speech under the 1st amendment when you are serving the general public.

This is no different from a racist refusing to bake a cake for blacks or for interracial marriages. The current law of the land is that if you serve the general public, you aren't allowed to discriminate based on the protected statuses outlined in the law. If you disagree with the Civil Rights Act, good for you, take it to the supreme court.

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 09:25 PM

Good, I hope they lost everythWhen you force people to work for you, it's called enslavement. May your chains set lightly upon you, Lune.

Pokesan

06-17-2016, 09:29 PM

trump is what america deserves, i am voting trump

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 09:34 PM

Good, I hope they lost everything..

I'm sure you do butt-nugget. You can't possibly understand the difference between "race" and "sexuality." You're so bought into progressive politics that a black man's hanging a white man because he is a Jew is no different than a Christian refusing to participate in a homosexual wedding. But of course, if it were a Muslim making the same action (hanging) you would be all over yourself if anyone would dare refuse that Muslim their "right."

You're an idiot Lune.

Lune

06-17-2016, 09:38 PM

When you force people to work for you, it's called enslavement. May your chains set lightly upon you, Lune.

Nobody is forcing them to be bakers. If being a baker means you just might have to serve a cake to some homos, and that absolutely incenses you, maybe you need to find a job where you don't serve the general public.

I know how hard it was just to get people like you to serve black people, but hang in there-- you can stick it out a little longer and serve some homos too, hate it as you may.

Lune

06-17-2016, 09:40 PM

I'm sure you do butt-nugget. You can't possibly understand the difference between "race" and "sexuality." You're so bought into progressive politics that a black man's hanging a white man because he is a Jew is no different than a Christian refusing to participate in a homosexual wedding. But of course, if it were a Muslim making the same refusal (hanging) you would be all over yourself if anyone would dare refuse that Muslim their "right."

You're an idiot Lune.

The only differences between race and sexuality that matter in this discussion are those outlined in the Civil Rights Act. Here they are: None. Both are protected classes.

If it makes you feel any better I have utter contempt for Islamic culture and the liberal outlook on Islam, as well as liberal race-baiting, immigration policy, and identity politics. You see, unlike you, my views aren't pigeonholed into a stark left/right dichotomy.

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 09:42 PM

The only differences between race and sexuality that matter in this discussion are those outlined in the Civil Rights Act. Here they are: None. Both are protected classes.

If it makes you feel any better I have utter contempt for Islamic culture and the liberal outlook on Islam. You see, unlike you, my views aren't pigeonholed into a stark left/right dichotomy.

So Christians aren't a protected class, Lune? There's nothing in the US Constitution about freedom of religion?

Lune

06-17-2016, 09:48 PM

So Christians aren't a protected class, Lune? There's nothing in the US Constitution about freedom of religion?

Religion is indeed a protected class. An atheist baker has to bake a cake for some Catholic's confirmation or whatever.

Guess what, your right to practice your religion does not extend to commercial practices, nor does it supersede state or federal law. Amish are not legally allowed to sell their women as property, even though it's religious doctrine.

If you want to give bakers the right to deny service based on religious law, you'd also have to give Mormons the right to polygamy, Muslims the right to stone adulterers, Jehovah's Witnesses the right to deny blood transfusions to minors who are too young to have any say. There is a good reason why secular law trumps religious law in the United States.

Pokesan

06-17-2016, 09:50 PM

You're oppressing me by not allowing me to persecute others

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 09:54 PM

Religion is indeed a protected class. An atheist baker has to bake a cake for some Catholic's confirmation or whatever.

Guess what, your right to practice your religion does not extend to commercial practices, nor does it supersede state or federal law. Amish are not legally allowed to sell their women as property, even though it's religious doctrine.

If you want to give bakers the right to deny service based on religious law, you'd also have to give Mormons the right to polygamy, Muslims the right to stone adulterers, Jehovah's Witnesses the right to deny blood transfusions to minors who are too young to have any say. There is a good reason why secular law trumps religious law in the United States.

Now you've gone "retarded" my friend. If a religion is a protected class then the law protects them from the minority or majority who would impinge upon their practices. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say that Christianity is protected, but Christians must also violate their consciences.

Your last paragraph is not an argument against my position Indeed, it is an argument against the immoral position you hold.

BTW, Secular law doesn't "trump" divine law. Never has and never will (this is the foundation of the US Constitution). The problem is when secular governments uphold themselves above natural law which is instituted by God.

Lune

06-17-2016, 10:00 PM

Now you've gone "retarded" my friend. If a religion is a protected class then the law protects them from the minority or majority who would impinge upon their practices. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say that Christianity is protected, but Christians must also violate their consciences.

Your last paragraph is not an argument against my position Indeed, it is an argument against the immoral position you hold.

BTW, Secular law doesn't "trump" divine law. Never has and never will. The problem is when secular governments uphold themselves above natural law which is instituted by God.

You see, that's where the United States Constitution and SCOTUS disagrees with you. Freedom of religion is established under an entirely different doctrine than the notion of 'protected classes' in the Civil Rights Act.

The Supreme Court developed this position in Reynolds v. United States (1879), saying "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices". You may not like it, but that is the established legal precedent in this country. The 1st amendment does not protect the right of Satanists to practice human sacrifice, nor does it protect any other degree of unlawful religious behavior.

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 10:06 PM

Nobody is forcing them to be bakers. If being a baker means you just might have to serve a cake to some homos, and that absolutely incenses you, maybe you need to find a job where you don't serve the general public.

I know how hard it was just to get people like you to serve black people, but hang in there-- you can stick it out a little longer and serve some homos too, hate it as you may.
Me? hehehe... You should listen to this young gentleman for 4min, Lune, I even gave his vid thumbs up mad props. A guy like that nowadays is quite literally risking his very life standing up like that in this country, against the left. But this is one that wont be forgotten, a true patriot in a sea of doublespeak and betrayal. https://youtu.be/naI8cqLNFRM

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 10:10 PM

You see, that's where the United States Constitution disagrees with you. Freedom of religion is established under an entirely different doctrine than the notion of 'protected classes' in the Civil Rights Act.

The Supreme Court developed this position in Reynolds v. United States (1879), saying "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices". You may not like it, but that is the established legal precedent in this country. The 1st amendment does not protect the right of Satanists to practice human sacrifice, nor does it protect any other degree of unlawful religious behavior.

Thank God we didn't let fanatics like you place "Divine law" (read, Sharia) above secular law when this country was founded.

Nice job Lune! You almost know how to do a web search! The context of Reynolds vs. USA was not an indictment to criminal charges. The case, for example, of the Oregon company refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals was a case for criminal charges.

And you're right. Your ilk may be hiding behind "legal precedent" for now, but that's not forever. We're coming for you. Mark my words.

Lune

06-17-2016, 10:11 PM

Me? hehehe... You should listen to this young gentleman for 4min, Lune, I even gave his vid thumbs up mad props. A guy like that nowadays is quite literally risking his very life standing up like that in this country, against the left. But this is one that wont be forgotten, a true patriot in a sea of doublespeak and betrayal. https://youtu.be/naI8cqLNFRM

Had he tried that in California he'd have been beaten by a mob of La Raza. Holding a Trump sign and defending Trump that is

Lune

06-17-2016, 10:19 PM

And you're right. Your ilk may be hiding behind "legal precedent" for now, but that's not forever. We're coming for you. Mark my words.

If by "we're coming for you" you mean "we're abandoning our religion and joining you" you've got it right

http://i.imgur.com/DscVDF3.png

Lurikeen

06-17-2016, 10:25 PM

If by "we're coming for you" you mean "we're abandoning our religion and joining you" you've got it right

No, I mean that there is sadly going to be a backlash against your dumb asses who thought you could abuse the consciences of those of faith who disagreed with your opinions concerning homosexuality. Edit: And to be clear there will be a "back lash" within the law. I am not talking about violence.

Daywolf

06-17-2016, 10:51 PM

your opinions concerning homosexuality.
And that it is. And yes, backlash, most definitely. Lots of vids around of course, to make the point exactly https://youtu.be/xLqkizGtFo0?t=720 . Lune's world is very narrow and ridged, intolerant. protected, though sadly he's been brainwashed by the left to think that of everyone else but him and his/their cause. Some are waking up though, that's what it is about, they are given a choice. I'm sure it's a very scary place to suddenly realize it's all a lie, such as the human mind in some cases can completely flinch and retract even further into the web out of some odd sense of self-preservation. The brave push forward, look for answers, find true liberty. Nothin but the best vids :D oh edit: audio gets better

Farzo

06-17-2016, 11:13 PM

Just wondering how are P99ers inclined politically.

I hope Trump will win because I can't stand Hillary and also I think he's sometimes funny.

Also I like Putin and he likes Putin.

pras it, as a sideliner I think its going to be some great comical relief that the world sorely needs when Trump wins.

maskedmelon

06-17-2016, 11:52 PM

Pokesan

06-18-2016, 12:41 AM

if KING OBAMA keeps pushing bakers around, we're gonna have another TEA PARTY except with cake and we will throw all the cake in the ocean

oughta teach that rascal a lesson

Lictor

06-18-2016, 12:46 AM

not voting for Hillary and don't want to vote for trump. I guess it comes down to the lesser of two evils in November.

Daywolf

06-18-2016, 12:55 AM

People should be free to exclude whomever they see fit to. If I find I am unwanted somewhere, guess what I do? Go someplace else! Why would someone would value the opinion of one who does not value them is beyond me. Too many people walking around with no pride... Or shame.

The solution of course is to redefine language. Christians just have to come up with a new word for heterosexual marriages. Then provide a list of events for which they serve cakes and conveniently leave marriage off the list.*

Alternatively they could work with ministers who only perform religious ceremonies (I expect most who object to same sex marriage will make this change in the very near future) and only offer cakes for weddings performed by those ministers.*

The simplest solution is to just not offer a reason though. Tell the customer they don't like them, because it is somehow less unpleasant if there is no reason.
Nope, won't work, because there is aaaaaalways a reason, and the cake is a lie (https://youtu.be/PP_ji9okBKc). And not only that, but there is a whole warehouse fool of cakes out there (https://youtu.be/ceVP0cEhQZE) ... well so they say ;)
or is that fuel... er wait full of fool fuel?
But in anycase, the Enrichment Center is required to remind you again that you will be baked *Garbled* and then there will be cake!

Sadre Spinegnawer

06-18-2016, 12:55 AM

And that it is. And yes, backlash, most definitely. Lots of vids around of course, to make the point exactly https://youtu.be/xLqkizGtFo0?t=720 . Lune's world is very narrow and ridged, intolerant. protected, though sadly he's been brainwashed by the left to think that of everyone else but him and his/their cause. Some are waking up though, that's what it is about, they are given a choice. I'm sure it's a very scary place to suddenly realize it's all a lie, such as the human mind in some cases can completely flinch and retract even further into the web out of some odd sense of self-preservation. The brave push forward, look for answers, find true liberty. Nothin but the best vids :D oh edit: audio gets better

This is what HP Lovecraft was talking about. He basically knew, eventually some people would wake up. Of course, by then it would be too late, but that is kind of how Lovecraft worked, thinking-wise.

Pokesan

06-18-2016, 01:00 AM

Nope, won't work, because there is aaaaaalways a reason, and the cake is a lie (https://youtu.be/PP_ji9okBKc). And not only that, but there is a whole warehouse fool of cakes out there (https://youtu.be/ceVP0cEhQZE) ... well so they say ;)
or is that fuel... er wait full of fool fuel?
But in anycase, the Enrichment Center is required to remind you again that you will be baked *Garbled* and then there will be cake!

there we go. false flag. i just got retarded thread bingo!

Daywolf

06-18-2016, 01:17 AM

there we go. false flag. i just got retarded thread bingo!
http://i.imgur.com/sMLdCTC.gif

Trollhide

06-18-2016, 07:18 AM

If these poll results are representative of America as a whole (they're not), we're all so far beyond fucked

beyondinfin

06-18-2016, 11:05 AM

Man, fuck both candidates. Can we get a do over? This is embarrassing.

AzzarTheGod

06-18-2016, 04:36 PM

love how many votes Hillary is getting.

shows just how polarizing Trump's portrayal in the media is.

Patriam1066

06-18-2016, 06:11 PM

Man, fuck both candidates. Can we get a do over? This is embarrassing.

Chaboo_Cleric

06-18-2016, 06:19 PM

WWJB

WHAT WOULD JESUS BAKE!!

Izmael

06-18-2016, 08:42 PM

I'll never understand the right-wing fascination with Putin. How can you like Putin? Because you feel he is a "badass" due to the carefully tailored image he presents? Because the degenerate backwards-ass Russian culture adores him?

He's a true leader and while many of his decisions can be criticized, he brought stability to a country that was going through troubled times.

He is very popular in Russia and other countries after several terms.

These two points sound pretty good to me.

Do you have any idea how corrupt his administration is?

I never said I liked his administration.

What a slimy person he is?

What do you mean?

It's like having Rod Blagojevich for president. Does that even matter to you?

Not being american I don't know who this is, although I seem to recall it was some kind of crook?

I guess it's enough that he takes his shirt off and rides horses and then flies fighter jets. Trump supporters, good God.

Nobody's perfect, those little gimmicks were silly and I don't think he does them any more. He isn't liked because he can ride a horse topless, he's liked for what he represents - a leader who knows what he is doing.

Now don't take me wrong, there are many sides to Putin's regime which I dislike - the press isn't as free as it should be, corruption is widely spread up to the highest levels of power, the country is still very oil exports dependent.. But it could have been a lot worse.

Also I liked when he basically said "fuck you" to Turkey. I never liked turks.

Jarnauga

06-18-2016, 08:46 PM

Secular law doesn't "trump" divine law. Never has and never will (this is the foundation of the US Constitution). The problem is when secular governments uphold themselves above natural law which is instituted by God.

i can't believe there are still people like that in the 21st century. I could understand if you were living in a 3rd world country but srsly. Facepalm.jpg

fash

06-18-2016, 11:21 PM

so many reality-detached autistes in here

Lojik

06-18-2016, 11:31 PM

http://i.imgur.com/G3KH5yi.jpg

Zuranthium

06-18-2016, 11:57 PM

love how many votes Hillary is getting.

She only has 30% of the vote here.

Which shows how much of a dumpster this place is. That was already obvious, but good lord, seeing it spill out into reality is so sad.

I don't even like her (because she's essentially just a Republic on most issues, when you look at the systemic results of the policies she supports) but in comparison to Trump it's a world of difference. Like comparing the flu to brain cancer. At least she stands for a basic amount of humaneness and social change, even if she generally supports the toxic wealth chasing/adulation, income inequality, corporate control, and warfare that Republicans live by.

Trump is not promoting any truths and will not change anything whatsoever for the better (unless we're talking about the betterment of wealthy white people). The only thing he's somewhat right about is the rather broken nature of our current political system...but coming from him that doesn't matter at all. He wouldn't do shit to change it and doesn't care. He only uses that line of dialogue as a way to delude people into thinking that his inherited wealth means he is "above the broken system". Nope, not at all. Everything he's done in his life has just been about exploitation and using broken systems and making shit worse.

Lune

06-19-2016, 12:27 AM

zg jjb

Ahldagor

06-19-2016, 08:43 PM

BTW, Secular law doesn't "trump" divine law. Never has and never will (this is the foundation of the US Constitution). The problem is when secular governments uphold themselves above natural law which is instituted by God.

You do realize that this is the same argument, mind set, and logic used by groups like ISIS to rationalize their violence, right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts

Trollhide

06-20-2016, 07:10 AM

Trungep99

06-20-2016, 03:05 PM

I like Putin too. I will feel better about our misogynistic society though if we are able to place a vagina in the Oval Office, but not on a dong.

if Trump wins, Edward Snoden gets full pardon?

Jorgam

06-20-2016, 08:51 PM

if Trump wins, Edward Snoden gets full pardon?

Probably not, but he should! The NSA is a crime against humanity and has yet to stop any actual disaster. Snowden is a hero imo.

Freakish

06-20-2016, 09:05 PM

Aw man I can't change my vote. I guess this is reality.

Daywolf

06-20-2016, 09:06 PM

Probably not, but he should! The NSA is a crime against humanity and has yet to stop any actual disaster. Snowden is a hero imo.
I wouldn't be surprised he's offered a deal, one that doesn't result in being mysteriously murdered in prison. They might want his testimony in court etc. Depends how much follow through the Don is going to deliver on with his threats of exposing stuff and prison times when he's in.

Jorgam

06-20-2016, 09:14 PM

I wouldn't be surprised he's offered a deal, one that doesn't result in being mysteriously murdered in prison. They might want his testimony in court etc. Depends how much follow through the Don is going to deliver on with his threats of exposing stuff and prison times when he's in.

This is one thing I don't think Trump will truly do. So far in the primary I've agreed with or not cared about most things trump says or is for, however his stance on the privacy of citizens is not one I agree with. During the aftermath of San Bernardino, when the FBI wanted to strong arm Apple into hacking their own software, Trump supported that. I don't support the government having the ability to force a company to destroy the trust of their consumers and rob said consumers of their right to privacy because they (the gov.) fucked up.

I hope I'm wrong.

Daywolf

06-20-2016, 09:54 PM

This is one thing I don't think Trump will truly do. So far in the primary I've agreed with or not cared about most things trump says or is for, however his stance on the privacy of citizens is not one I agree with. During the aftermath of San Bernardino, when the FBI wanted to strong arm Apple into hacking their own software, Trump supported that. I don't support the government having the ability to force a company to destroy the trust of their consumers and rob said consumers of their right to privacy because they (the gov.) fucked up.

I hope I'm wrong.
Hard to say, which is why I say might. If he does, it could result in the JFK effect, ya know? But there are things on the surface, such as Hillary, Benghazi, and a long shot being WTC. But you know, there is a whole lot more underneath that. He doesn't need to necessarily expose it to the public to break it up, or try to.

Sure, I don't agree with him on everything he says. One thing for sure, he can't do it all, the damage might take 16 years to reverse.

AzzarTheGod

06-21-2016, 03:32 AM

I wouldn't be surprised he's offered a deal, one that doesn't result in being mysteriously murdered in prison. They might want his testimony in court etc. Depends how much follow through the Don is going to deliver on with his threats of exposing stuff and prison times when he's in.

Well we don't know if Snowden did any real damage as the documents he allegedly took we have no way to view them in their entirety.

He submitted them responsibly directly to major media outlets and let them audit them.

No one was hurt, and if you look at the facts, the media has censored it very well and protected US interests.

Pardon and leave him alone. If he leaked to wikileaks or another enemy of the USA who would publish the documents without censoring then alright maybe I could see some prison time.

Those are the raw facts.

Daywolf

06-21-2016, 03:55 AM

Those are the raw facts.
Well yeah, in general, even if Donald drops some punishment, it won't be anywhere as severe as this administration wants for him (from the crap I've heard them say). If he gets in, I'm pretty confident Snowden will come back with at the most something that doesn't exceed four years of punishment (i.e. probation etc.).

I'm pro-whistleblower, but Snowden did cross some line so should receive some slap on the wrist for punishment, just to save face for the law. Even as far as crossing the line, it was probably the wise choice to flee, these people are really bad... imo downright evil.

This is a failure of this administration and the voters that elected them for the most part. Grr Bush too (I didn't vote for him). They spend more time and money investigation US! compared to the illegal aliens they let in with wide open globalist borders. And excuse me for suggesting your a racist few weeks back, don't think you are, just my teeth ache sometimes and I like the taste of raw flesh :D
I'll try to take it out on sushi. so yum

AzzarTheGod

06-21-2016, 04:12 AM

I'm pro-whistleblower, but Snowden did cross some line so should receive some slap on the wrist for punishment, just to save face for the law. Even as far as crossing the line, it was probably the wise choice to flee, these people are really bad... imo downright evil.

Right, you absolutely cannot look at the history of this country (and recent events) and believe you will get "fair treatment" as a whistle-blower in this political climate. State Department contractors are rampant all throughout the domestic United States.

We confirmed State Dept contractors were deployed to Oregon during the standoff. What other activities are they engaged in, we have no idea. As JFK said himself, there was too much secrecy in 1961 and that has only gotten worse with additional black budgets, no congressional oversight, and contractors getting billions in State Dept contracts. These are the same clandestine enforcers that most likely rigged Hastings car.

Anyone saying him leaving the country is indicative of anything but ensuring his well-being and just treatment is out of their mind.

JayDee

06-21-2016, 04:53 AM

Kanye West 2020

Swish

06-21-2016, 07:32 AM

America needs a kick up the behind (as does the UK and some others), Trump is the man to do it.

Ahldagor

06-21-2016, 03:22 PM

Trump fired his campaign manager. Bad sign for his campaign.

AzzarTheGod

06-21-2016, 03:43 PM

Trump fired his campaign manager. Bad sign for his campaign.

Also only 1.3 million dollars raised for his PAC. Hillary raised 42 million.

maskedmelon

06-21-2016, 03:52 PM

Trump fired his campaign manager. Bad sign for his campaign.

We need a gif for this...

Ahldagor

06-21-2016, 06:35 PM

We need a gif for this...

I'm not qualified for such manufacturing, apolologies.

Ahldagor

06-21-2016, 06:36 PM

Also only 1.3 million dollars raised for his PAC. Hillary raised 42 million.

Damn. That's really bad.

AzzarTheGod

06-21-2016, 07:20 PM

Damn. That's really bad.

Political analysts are saying he can't run without more donations.

Analysts suggested it could be over before it even starts...the money is not coming in.

There is no fiscal support for Trump at this time. Its VERY serious.

Also some statistics, the Trump campaign has 70 people working for it. The Hillary campaign is over 800 employees working directly for Hillary's campaign.

Time to call it quits? It he doesn't raise some money soon, its a curtain call.

Chaboo_Cleric

06-21-2016, 07:30 PM

http://i.imgur.com/VvBzj9o.jpg

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fash

06-22-2016, 09:45 AM

The hero America deserves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

Ahldagor

06-22-2016, 10:25 AM

Political analysts are saying he can't run without more donations.

Analysts suggested it could be over before it even starts...the money is not coming in.

There is no fiscal support for Trump at this time. Its VERY serious.

Also some statistics, the Trump campaign has 70 people working for it. The Hillary campaign is over 800 employees working directly for Hillary's campaign.

Time to call it quits? It he doesn't raise some money soon, its a curtain call.

If he's not raising money for his war chest then the RNC may not even give him the nomination due to the embarassment it could cause the party since it's a presidential election. I'm not convinced that Mitt Romney won't be the nominee again. Have had a weird hunch since his anti Trump speech. The RNC may just finally cut out that far right wing of their party that they sold themselves to with Tom Delay's and Reagan's fund raising plans.

Alarti0001

06-22-2016, 01:21 PM

I hope they both start a love affair before the election cheat on each other and end up with a murder/suicide.

Ahldagor

06-22-2016, 02:46 PM

I hope they both start a love affair before the election cheat on each other and end up with a murder/suicide.

That would be best.

Jorgam

06-22-2016, 03:15 PM

If he's not raising money for his war chest then the RNC may not even give him the nomination due to the embarassment it could cause the party since it's a presidential election. I'm not convinced that Mitt Romney won't be the nominee again. Have had a weird hunch since his anti Trump speech. The RNC may just finally cut out that far right wing of their party that they sold themselves to with Tom Delay's and Reagan's fund raising plans.

Do you want money in or out of politics? Lefties are always crying about big spenders with shadow money buying the elections until it is their corporate owned candidate (clinton) that is taking in millions from shadowy figures. Then it is like oh look, the GoP can't raise any money! Hypocritical in every sense of the word.

Romney will never be president.

Pokesan

06-22-2016, 03:20 PM

Jeb! will be elected by the HoR

Jorgam

06-22-2016, 03:28 PM

Jeb! will be elected by the HoR

At least the right had the decency and vigillance to oust the Bush families attempt at going dynastic with Jeb. The left can't say as much. Always eager to be subjects, the left.

Ahldagor

06-22-2016, 04:50 PM

AzzarTheGod

06-22-2016, 05:36 PM

Do you want money in or out of politics? Lefties are always crying about big spenders with shadow money buying the elections until it is their corporate owned candidate (clinton) that is taking in millions from shadowy figures. Then it is like oh look, the GoP can't raise any money! Hypocritical in every sense of the word.

Romney will never be president.

....Like it or not.

PACs are critical to getting swing votes. This isn't open for debate, its a fact. You know this. PACs get average voters to the polls. PACs get swing votes to change their mind.

If Trump can't or does not plan to raise money, he is not getting the nomination.

1.3 million is fucking pathetic. There is a reason he just fired his campaign manager. He is in serious danger right now and this is the elephant in the room that no one outside of the left wants to talk about.

Repubs are completely silent. Fox is silent and won't report the PAC number or the disparity between campaign employees. Like it or not, the GOP needs Mitt Romney again. He brings a little more than 60 people to a campaign. Trump's campaign is embarrassingly small in size, you can't take on a country with those resources.

Mitt Romney also brings 200-300 million into a PAC without breaking a sweat. Trump's 1.3 Million will be the death of him at the convention if he can't get to 20 million I'd say. And fast....

Daywolf

06-22-2016, 06:40 PM

http://i.imgur.com/ID6hKlC.jpg

AzzarTheGod

06-22-2016, 06:52 PM

You ready for Romney 2016 Daywolf?

Posting joking pictures is a sign you are under stress and trying to relieve yourself. I guess the prospect of Trump requiring a Mitt Romney endorsement to survive has you feeling tight.

ibowkdher

06-22-2016, 07:13 PM

After reading this thread and the poll results.

I'm much more informed about how west Texas evangelicals are going to vote this go-around.

Make Texas Mexico Again!

Daywolf

06-22-2016, 07:26 PM

Mitt Romney endorsementfor some reason, as I was crunching on my toasted english muffin, I read that as running mate lol

Nah, Trump or no Trump, I just hate Hillary. The Don dealing with GOP shenanigans will work itself out. After all, Donny gets free media coverage, who needs RNC/GOP money? Where does Hillary get her money? Memo Reveals Clinton Foundation Donor’s $100 Million Registration, Turnout Push (http://freebeacon.com/issues/memo-reveals-100-million-effort-by-clinton-foundation-donor/) Yeah a lot of it comes from foreign sources. I'd like to see the Clinton Foundation burnt to the ground and the wreckage shot into the sun.

maskedmelon

06-22-2016, 07:37 PM

for some reason, as I was crunching on my toasted english muffin, I read that as running mate lol

Nah, Trump or no Trump, I just hate Hillary. The Don dealing with GOP shenanigans will work itself out. After all, Donny gets free media coverage, who needs RNC/GOP money? Where does Hillary get her money? Memo Reveals Clinton Foundation Donor’s $100 Million Registration, Turnout Push (http://freebeacon.com/issues/memo-reveals-100-million-effort-by-clinton-foundation-donor/) Yeah a lot of it comes from foreign sources. I'd like to see the Clinton Foundation burnt to the ground and the wreckage shot into the sun.

Would it rain fried chicken? ^^

ibowkdher

06-22-2016, 07:57 PM

I liked it better when pokesan was banned.

happy fourth of july everybody.

AzzarTheGod

06-22-2016, 08:42 PM

I liked it better when pokesan was banned.

happy fourth of july everybody.

its been over 4 days and 5 pages of discussion since Pokesan posted in this thread.

struggling to find the relevancy of this post tbh

ibowkdher

06-22-2016, 10:15 PM

he's a simpleton who's been banned on multiple occasions and you are?

Lojik

06-22-2016, 10:25 PM

At first, people thought trump running was a joke...then he started doing ok...people wrote him off still...now even thumping other repubs in primaries they're writing him off again...because of lack of campaign spending?? He's already a house hold name, don't underestimate the power of the uneducated or bigoted voter in the USA. I would not be surprised at all if he spent $0 and still won a general election.

Lune

06-22-2016, 10:35 PM

Luckily the outlook for Trump is not currently favorable.

https://i.imgur.com/nVAaCRQ.png?1

Pokesan

06-22-2016, 11:25 PM

he's a simpleton who's been banned on multiple occasions and you are?

nice meltdown

Daywolf

06-23-2016, 12:29 AM

nice meltdown
You's like Fukushima on Viagra, but at leet you not a full blown SJW, braw.
http://i.imgur.com/1TTOo4Z.gif

Pokesan

06-23-2016, 12:39 AM

You's like Fukushima on Viagra, but at leet you not a full blown SJW, braw.
http://i.imgur.com/1TTOo4Z.gif

what would you say if some random ass PUNK NOBODY tried to step to you on the court?

bitchboy needs to study up on dunk life before he comes into my house

Daywolf

06-23-2016, 12:56 AM

what would you say if some random ass PUNK NOBODY tried to step to you on the court?

bitchboy needs to study up on dunk life before he comes into my house
Pff the regulars already know this, and I'm 6pack in and 6 more to go (I don't like the 22nd of june and it don't like me, torturing my neighborhood with guitar strings all night). But stop the whining, we already know you are at least 50% troll dialog ^^ Take it as a complement not being full blown SJW, and decaying skeletons just providing bone stacks for newbies to sell to necros.

There ya go hehehe

maskedmelon

06-23-2016, 09:38 AM

its been over 4 days and 5 pages of discussion since Pokesan posted in this thread.

struggling to find the relevancy of this post tbh

The most troubling implication here is that he believes someone else to be Pokesan. The most important questions are who should be insulted and who should be flattered?

Nihilist_santa

06-23-2016, 10:59 AM

Luckily the outlook for Trump is not currently favorable.

https://i.imgur.com/nVAaCRQ.png?1

This election is a bit different. I would say for the first time in my lifetime people are actively aware that the media is lying to them. The media gives you some bs poll to discourage people but I have friends who send me pictures from the Trump rallys they are attending. The media will say 5k people there but it will actually be 10k with people being turned away due to lack of room.

Its like people gasping about his campaign finances. Does anyone at this point not know Trump is running? the guy is getting free publicity and has stomped all of his competitors despite how often we keep hearing things are bad and he is going to lose. This is a total disinfo campaign to depress voter turnout when it counts.

I think Hillary is in trouble. She wont be able to rally the Bernie folks she alienated. All of this focus on finances just shows the world the corporations are supporting her. Everything she does she comes out with egg on her face. Just today her IT specialist had to plead the 5th which would imply that he did some wrong doing. Hmm not looking good for Shillary.

Lune

06-23-2016, 11:21 AM

This election is a bit different. I would say for the first time in my lifetime people are actively aware that the media is lying to them. The media gives you some bs poll to discourage people but I have friends who send me pictures from the Trump rallys they are attending. The media will say 5k people there but it will actually be 10k with people being turned away due to lack of room.

Its like people gasping about his campaign finances. Does anyone at this point not know Trump is running? the guy is getting free publicity and has stomped all of his competitors despite how often we keep hearing things are bad and he is going to lose. This is a total disinfo campaign to depress voter turnout when it counts.

I think Hillary is in trouble. She wont be able to rally the Bernie folks she alienated. All of this focus on finances just shows the world the corporations are supporting her. Everything she does she comes out with egg on her face. Just today her IT specialist had to plead the 5th which would imply that he did some wrong doing. Hmm not looking good for Shillary.

If this were true Bernie would have won, or at least come close. Unfortunately, Bernie's performance in the primaries more or less reflected his position on polls. Hillary is not only projected to win Bernie supporters (No amount of spite for Shillary will make them embrace Chump), but also the massive amount of non-whites and women, in addition to several key states (CA, NY, FL).

Basically if you want to reject the polls as some kind of conspiracy, you better have real evidence, otherwise you're just tinfoil hatmode. I know certain elements of the media absolutely have a pro-Clinton bias, but polls are typically pretty faithful to reality.