smoking age is 21 now in California

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Found this out today. Now we got to worry about underage smoking. Lol dumbest law ever. Feel bad for our military Camp Ped is one of the largest bases.

[Jorgam]

If only they could raise the voting age to 21..

[Sidelle]

18 - old enough to join the military and kill (or be killed by) our enemies, but nope sorry, you're too young to smoke and drink.

[Lune]

Feel bad for our military Camp Ped is one of the largest bases.

18 - old enough to join the military and kill (or be killed by) our enemies, but nope sorry, you're too young to smoke and drink.

The law does not apply to military personnel-- they are still allowed to fuck up their bodies and have taxpayers foot the bill through tricare and VA

[maskedmelon]

If only they could raise the voting age to 31...

Better

[Thulack]

The law does not apply to military personnel-- they are still allowed to fuck up their bodies and have taxpayers foot the bill through tricare and VA

Smoking least of concerns. All the roids and amphetamines the government loads the soldiers up on. My brother things he is sterile now from the steriods they had him take.

[AzzarTheGod]

Smoking least of concerns. All the roids and amphetamines the government loads the soldiers up on. My brother things he is sterile now from the steriods they had him take.

What??? Hes bullshitting. anabolic steroids are illegal in all 3 services without a prescription, if you get caught in possession of anabolic steroids you get court martialed, its a felony and you can go to the brig.

And they aren't used therapeutically as far as I know or prescribed by base doctors.

Maybe he meant steroids like prednisone and catabolic steroids for inflammation and injuries he had? Big difference.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

What??? Hes bullshitting. anabolic steroids are illegal in all 3 services without a prescription, if you get caught in possession of anabolic steroids you get court martialed, its a felony and you can go to the brig.

And they aren't used therapeutically as far as I know or prescribed by base doctors.

Maybe he meant steroids like prednisone and catabolic steroids for inflammation and injuries he had? Big difference.

He probably means Corticosteroids like Prednisone etc. To this day certain people think these are the same as anabolic steroids , it's rather sad. BUT!!!! You can troll the shit out them

[AzzarTheGod]

I had my short friend tell me growing up "they put me on the roids as a kid, to put weight on me because I wasn't growing tall enough".

I find out years later that he was on corticos. Had many laughs and told him soooo that's why you are so short....

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Loll

[MrSparkle001]

Make smoking illegal entirely. The world will burn but at least we won't have to put up with nasty cigarettes and shit.

[Daywolf]

Calif, where you cant ride you damn hog w/o a helmet b/c the 19yo daycare worker is indisposed wiping the butts of 30 other 4yo's. F U Terminator, hope you get 2 flats on the carpool near your mansion in IDAHO (where it's F the helmet law and you're F'ing fine with that!).

[Chaboo_Cleric]

The law does not apply to military personnel-- they are still allowed to fuck up their bodies and have taxpayers foot the bill through tricare and VA

Informative^ does that mean purchases just on base? Or does that apply to civilian outskirts with valid military Id'? Ill look this up later ,but glad to hear if this is true.

[Daywolf]

Informative^ does that mean purchases just on base? Or does that apply to civilian outskirts with valid military Id'? Ill look this up later ,but glad to hear if this is true.
I thought it was illegal to smoke there now, as it's a government buildings etc. Allah-moongod, cali is like full blown fascist state, Public executions to come just over the mountain from me down in north of San Onofre, ass kicking surf spot, only second to Shark Harbor Catalina Island. Crud, I walked into a court house for jury dirty...er duty last year, had a small wallet chain after climbing off my bike (lost a wallet before), thought they were going to arrest me :eek: I'm likely on every federal terrorist watch-list now north of San Diego!

[Cecily]

Legal age doesn't mean much when they get you hooked at 13.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Legal age doesn't mean much when they get you hooked at 13.

It's a given right to do whatever we want to ourselves. Raising ages on things is a controversy amongst people who don't give a damn because of their own personal views. Freedom is freedom. You are and adult at 18 not 21. This 21 for alcohol and tobacco is stupid. We can thank lobbyists like M.A.D.D for the 21 age for drinking. They had road funding etc sneaked into the bill to prevent states from lowering the age ala through the fed stupid stupid stupid.

[Cecily]

Hell I agree. Pass out smokes to 10 year olds if they want em. Because freedom.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

18 is classified as an adult. Not your simplistic ideology on the way you raised your kids pal

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Lol nice edit

[Cecily]

18 year olds are children. You can tell by looking at or speaking with them. And I edited because I'd rather make fun of you than get dragged into your rant that has nothing to do with what I said that you quoted. I agree, the law is stupid. But only because smokers self select FAR younger than legal age anyways so adding an additional waiting time is utterly ineffective.

Also, arguing for freedom and extremely addictive products in the same breath is pretty funny.

[Daywolf]

Legal age doesn't mean much when they get you hooked at 13.
:D I didn't start smoking until 15 (no one ever denied me a purchase). 7 years later I switched to spit tobacco, saving my lungs. Still do it off and on, oh well. I'm a victim of marketing propaganda (https://youtu.be/J8dUB4muqgI) by the left, flesh is weak :(
My WWII gen parents smoked, I hated it. Weird, eh? My Grandfather liked pipes and cigars, more my style(WWI gen). Just smoked a cigar 20m ago, good stuff! Chocolate swihser sweet. I think the daycare generation is more fixated on pot though, something that the baby boomer grandparents were more attune too and the baby boomer generation contracted from their grandparents onto their Gen Y (why) offspring over the Gen-X parents. You should listen to gen-Xers though, we're pretty damn smart and have alot in common with our WWII grandparents... even if we don't care :D ...or they, my grandparent avoided the WWI propaganda like the plague and just focused on making America great again! :D
TRUMP 2016!
And Hillary for Prison 2016

[Chaboo_Cleric]

18 is classified as an adult. Not your simplistic ideology on the way you raised your kids pal

Again learn to read. I'm sure you spent tons of times interviewing the intelligence in 18 year olds. I stand by what I said, judge it how you want, your personal views on what classifies as an adult holds no bearing in what I said.

[Cecily]

Again, I don't see your point. The brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20s. As far as mature decision making, that's when you're an adult. If you define it as able to have children, it's much younger. In our country, old enough to hold a rifle and get shot is 18. That varies country to country though.

[Daywolf]

imo, 12 is adult age. But now, kids are so traumatized by government hired and trained daycare workers, more then ever I see an insurgence of 30yo 6yo's that just didn't get enough attentiooon in a class of 30 with it's one daycare worker that they throw FITS (fucking insane tantrumS) when they don't get their way, or the way their group think community authorizes. There it is, you have it, pucker the hidden places for what comes next.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

imo, 12 is adult age. But now, kids are so traumatized by government hired and trained daycare workers, more then ever I see an insurgence of 30yo 6yo's that just didn't get enough attentiooon in a class of 30 with it's one daycare worker that they throw FITS (fucking insane tantrumS) when they don't get their way, or the way their group think community authorizes. There it is, you have it, pucker the hidden places for what comes next.

Have you been drinking? I've seen better posts from you. This was just off the wall

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Again, I don't see your point. The brain doesn't fully develop until the mid 20s. As far as mature decision making, that's when you're an adult. If you define it as able to have children, it's much younger. In our country, old enough to hold a rifle and get shot is 18. That varies country to country though.

Laws, not your opinion.

[Trollhide]

You ever see that series of increasingly crazy paintings of cats by Louis Wain as he succumbed more and more to schizophrenia? That's how I imagine Daywolf's posting except every post is the very last cat.

[Daywolf]

Have you been drinking? I've seen better posts from you. This was just off the wall
Well ... yeah ...but :D
Sure, less intoxicated now (maybe time for liquor store run). 12 is not all that different than 18. I'm in my 40's now, I remember how STUPID I was when I was 12, and not that much more/less than when I was 18. I don't know how it is now, I'm culturally lost with these public schools and the obsessive-obsessive! hand holding they project. But at 12yo we were damn rugged, we didn't come crying to our daycare worker when we got a boo-boo on the knee.

Honestly, there has been a huge shift where it comes to growing up over the past 20 years+, they are sheltered now in every way and thought that they are basically not adults until they reach 32 or something. It's batshit crazy progressive stuff. I'm not saying a 12yo should go out and get hitched, not at all, but the reality of things have deeply shifted in recent years, and I view it as nothing but social engineering to turn the west into a bunch of weak libtards easy for the pickings.

And if you are getting riled as if I am speaking of everyone, I'm not. Some younger people I rely on getting info from, there still is hope for humanity. But when I was young, the percentage of off the wall leftist libtards, was in the smaller percentage. Things like global warming mentioned in the 70's, the whole damn school bus broke out in laughter over, damnstraight! Oh now, one of the leading fears and cause of nightmares amoungst the youth of today. WTF happened?

No yeah, not a real Q, been screaming about it for 30 years now. Told you so, here let me laugh my ass off now. Everyone has a time to go I guess, appointed time, just at times it may come in big clumps of peeps I guess :o

[Trollhide]

^ Exhibit A

[Daywolf]

You ever see that series of increasingly crazy paintings of cats by Louis Wain as he succumbed more and more to schizophrenia? That's how I imagine Daywolf's posting except every post is the very last cat.
That was funny, enjoy Hillary's small teet, her cakey teet
/AI from Portal

[AzzarTheGod]

Well ... yeah ...but :D
Sure, less intoxicated now (maybe time for liquor store run). 12 is not all that different than 18. I'm in my 40's now, I remember how STUPID I was when I was 12, and not that much more/less than when I was 18. I don't know how it is now, I'm culturally lost with these public schools and the obsessive-obsessive! hand holding they project. But at 12yo we were damn rugged, we didn't come crying to our daycare worker when we got a boo-boo on the knee.

Honestly, there has been a huge shift where it comes to growing up over the past 20 years+, they are sheltered now in every way and thought that they are basically not adults until they reach 32 or something. It's batshit crazy progressive stuff. I'm not saying a 12yo should go out and get hitched, not at all, but the reality of things have deeply shifted in recent years, and I view it as nothing but social engineering to turn the west into a bunch of weak libtards easy for the pickings.

And if you are getting riled as if I am speaking of everyone, I'm not. Some younger people I rely on getting info from, there still is hope for humanity. But when I was young, the percentage of off the wall leftist libtards, was in the smaller percentage. Things like global warming mentioned in the 70's, the whole damn school bus broke out in laughter over, damnstraight! Oh now, one of the leading fears and cause of nightmares amoungst the youth of today. WTF happened?

No yeah, not a real Q, been screaming about it for 30 years now. Told you so, here let me laugh my ass off now. Everyone has a time to go I guess, appointed time, just at times it may come in big clumps of peeps I guess :o

booze

[Bazia]

amphetamines and steroids?

what the fuck are you talking about

[AzzarTheGod]

this guy is claiming his friend was turned into Hunter S. Thomspon by the armed service.

wonder if they give the soldiers Viagra too

[Daywolf]

booze
30yrs of booze? nah. Even in my drunkest state (far from it, I can drink a case+), I can out-think any libtard with only his 1/2 a wit. No new revelations from me, not when slamming the left; they bring the same rotton fish day after day. No matter what state you are in, you know what stink is, and can describe it, even if they are cluless from living in it and don't know the difference.

[Bruno]

He probably means Corticosteroids like Prednisone etc. To this day certain people think these are the same as anabolic steroids , it's rather sad. BUT!!!! You can troll the shit out them

Yea. And I highly doubt corticosteroids caused his brother's infertility. Most likely from them punching each other in the balls or nobody actually told him he had to use it on females to procreate. We should probably keep the secret from both of them.

[Cecily]

Laws, not your opinion.

Oh ok. Then accept the fact that 21 is the legal smoking age.

[Csihar]

It's a given right to do whatever we want to ourselves. Raising ages on things is a controversy amongst people who don't give a damn because of their own personal views. Freedom is freedom. You are and adult at 18 not 21. This 21 for alcohol and tobacco is stupid. We can thank lobbyists like M.A.D.D for the 21 age for drinking. They had road funding etc sneaked into the bill to prevent states from lowering the age ala through the fed stupid stupid stupid.

It's not as simple as an Ayn Rand novel. You're not dealing with super logical rational beings, you're dealing with human beings. The fact that young children see adults with cigarettes manipulates their perception of what's "normal" (and subconsciously what's acceptable and good).

We may be intelligent self-aware creatures but $9.99 instead of $10 exists because our brains are incredibly fallible. People who study sociology go into advertising. Stores are set up in a certain way to increase purchases. If it really were as simple as free individuals freely doing business then all of that stuff wouldn't work. Cigarette companies weaseled their way into society and now cigarettes are a permanent fixture. They self-advertise.

Ignore politics, morals and economics. Just look at human psychology. The fact that cigarettes and alcohol are in our faces every day impedes our freedom. If you don't understand that then you don't understand how human beings function. The laws (ideally of course) offer a sort of balance. Again: it's not an Ayn Rand novel and our decision making process is very much subconscious.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the laws by the way.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I agree, but I still don't agree with the age 21 dispute on alcohol and cigarettes.

[Csihar]

And yes:



Also, arguing for freedom and extremely addictive products in the same breath is pretty funny.

If you use this wonderful product as intended you will become addicted. By definition that impedes your freedom.
You can be all short-sighted (and wrong) and simply write it off as "lol just will power it bruv".

[Csihar]

I agree

Well, my ego needs no more. Close thread!

I agree, but I still don't agree with the age 21 dispute on alcohol and cigarettes.

Seriously though, can you elaborate? I ams curious.

If you agree on creating a balance do you have any suggestions how it could be handled better? I don't think we agree to the same degree but I am of the opinion that the law is imperfect to say the least. And I don't like how it impedes the freedom of the small group of people who can handle it.

[Nihilist_santa]

I agree, but I still don't agree with the age 21 dispute on alcohol and cigarettes.

I agree 21 is too high. it should have always been 18. You can go to war, have children,get married, vote, consent to having someone taken from life support but you cant decide if you want to drink or smoke. I always found it ironic that Edward Bernays had devoted the latter part of his life to anti-smoking campaigns seeing as he was instrumental in changing public perceptions of the taboo of female smokers.

Tobacco is really strange. The lobbying only protects the interest of the big tobacco corps that create literally poisonous products. Tobacco in its natural form isnt that bad and has been ascribed to some health benefits but the crap they mass produce is toxic. We recall faulty hand brakes but sell poison to people. I think tobacco should be decommercialized. People should be allowed to grow it or smoke it but I dont think we should allow the sale of it commercially.

Nazi Drs were the first to recognize a link between smoking and lung cancer and anti-tobacco movements were huge in Germany. They were the first ones to enact smoking bans in official buildings and such. Damn those evil Nazis trying to save people from lung cancer.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

And yes:



If you use this wonderful product as intended you will become addicted. By definition that impedes your freedom.
You can be all short-sighted (and wrong) and simply write it off as "lol just will power it bruv".

Addiction is a normal thing in life. You can tote Hillary Clinton on her position against Vid Games. Just because something is addicting doesn't mean I need the government to make it more difficult to either A: Attain , or B: gouge me with taxes or C: Penalize me. There will be ramifications with the new 21 law to smoke in California. More harassment from Police ( to start) and the list goes on... This new " Underage smoking", in California is a big deal. Indefinitely, the state will make more money with this law, as oppose to just collecting the ginormous tax on cigarettes. Overall, if people want to smoke they are going to anyway. It's the same thing with drinking. I however, don't want the government playing Mommy and Daddy for me or anyone. The more government control and rule making, the less freedom we really have. That is a fact.

[myriverse]

The argument is likely the seeming illogic in the disparity between certain privileges afforded to and certain responsibilities demanded of them. If we're going to consider a person adult enough to serve life/death sentences, serve in the military, make babies and demand they support them, then there's no reason they shouldn't be able to abuse the eff out of their own bodies.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

People want the government to intervene with their problems. What they don't realize is they just stripped away more of their freedom with every involvement. They also line the pockets of these government officials and grow government to a bigger machine than it already is. People need to wake up. Government is not the answer to our problems.

[Csihar]

The argument is likely the seeming illogic in the disparity between certain privileges afforded to and certain responsibilities demanded of them. If we're going to consider a person adult enough to serve life/death sentences, serve in the military, make babies and demand they support them, then there's no reason they shouldn't be able to abuse the eff out of their own bodies.

That is something I can agree with entirely.

[barrettdc1]

IF THERE'S GRASS ON THE FIELD, PLAY BALL!

[Baler]

@OP Pot or Tobacco?

I smoked tobacco everyday when I was 16 till I was 21 at which point I quit when I started breathing heavy on simple shit and spitting up black/brown shit after showers.
Neither of my parents were smokers at all ever.

My point is that they can make any law they want. People will do what they want.

18 - old enough to join the military and kill (or be killed by) our enemies, but nope sorry, you're too young to smoke and drink.
This

[Jorgam]

18 is classified as an adult. Not your simplistic ideology on the way you raised your kids pal

Nope. 26 is an adult now per Obamacare mandate. Democrats, the party of adult children!

[JurisDictum]

Maybe people shouldn't be put in combat situations until they are 21. The truth is though, they don't want you to do a lot of thinking when you are following orders and fighting. So the young men often work out fine.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Nope. 26 is an adult now per Obamacare mandate. Democrats, the party of adult children!

Difference between a student and adult living with Mom and Dad. Course , you can sit there and draw up those beliefs based on a horrible health care notion.

[JurisDictum]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

[Jorgam]

Difference between a student and adult living with Mom and Dad. Course , you can sit there and draw up those beliefs based on a horrible health care notion.

Hey i didn't write the law and legally force young, healthy college students who live with their parents still, to purchase or obtain health insurance. Blame Obama for the pajama boys.

[Baler]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

When I was a child people told me drinking coffee would stunt my growth.
I'm 6' 3" and drink coffee to this day.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

Reverting back to 18 is considered an adult in the United states, by the law. We can state the obvious with psychology and human anatomy all day. It still doesn't justify more laws going into effect without considering the main law of a minors age and an adults. The fact remains : more laws, more government intrusion in our lives. I prefer less government involvement in most things. The government as it stands is out of control- via the states and fed.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Currently California is considering making it a law to have your children weighed and analyzed annually. This way the government can tell you what to feed your children and penalize those who don't conform to their standards. Is this what America really wants? Do we really need a government dictating what we can and can't do? It's coming folks, and with every little law such as this one... Your freedom is really lessening with every stroke of a pen.

[JurisDictum]

Reverting back to 18 is considered an adult in the United states, by the law. We can state the obvious with psychology and human anatomy all day. It still doesn't justify more laws going into effect without considering the main law of a minors age and an adults. The fact remains : more laws, more government intrusion in our lives. I prefer less government involvement in most things. The government as it stands is out of control- via the states and fed.

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I believe it's a parents job and role to educate and influence their kids. Not the governments with means to control. Children are a reflection of their parents. You can also debate whether or not choosing to smoke at a younger age has more positive benefits than choosing so at 21 , because of the experience you will face. Addiction is addiction, and what's stopping kids from being addicted to substances? It's not the government I can tell you that.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

Again I see your point , but it has no bearing on this law. You are claiming because the brain isn't fully developed we should indite a law disabling a choice all together. Well shit we might as well disable all choices , because of this right? Stupid point in reference to what is being said here. That's like me using your example and banning sex until age 21... because of the decision making process... See where I am going here?

[Jorgam]

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

Historically people had to survive on their own at 18 or younger and the species survived. Not sure why modern people can't be expected to sink or swim and learn to survive in this world by living the hard experience of figuring it out for themselves. Not saying anything about hunting and gathering or some shit, but experience and struggle are great teachers and developers of character. Coddling, not so much.

Not related to smoking age, but just putting it out there.

[barrettdc1]

Brain doesn't fully develop the frontal lobe until 24-28. So we can pretend that 18 year old is as much of an adult as a 30 year old...but it isn't true.

Funny, cause I've met more fucking moron 30+ year olds in my life than 18 year olds. Must just be cause I live in Florida though, the state of dumb-shits.

[Baler]

Funny, cause I've met more fucking moron 30+ year olds in my life than 18 year olds.

This is the amazing part. I agree & it is not even on a poltical, moral, religious or etc. These are just people are stupid at life.

They somehow grow up and all of a sudden their 'opinion' matters.

[Pokesan]

smoking rules ya dweebs

[Baler]

smoking rules ya dweebs

It is funny you say that you trollllll

When I smoked everyday. After a meal a I HAD to smoke. it wasn't just a normal desire it was a must. So after dinner each night i'd pop outside for a smoke.

(because smoking inside makes everything smell like shit)

[Pokesan]

I wish I still smoked it was cool and good :(

[Nihilist_santa]

Historically people had to survive on their own at 18 or younger and the species survived. Not sure why modern people can't be expected to sink or swim and learn to survive in this world by living the hard experience of figuring it out for themselves. Not saying anything about hunting and gathering or some shit, but experience and struggle are great teachers and developers of character. Coddling, not so much.

Not related to smoking age, but just putting it out there.

Infantilization ...Brave New World....Blah blah blah.

Saw a huffpo article recently where they called all of the sodomites 21+ at the Saturnalia orgy in Orlando kids and children. It was cringe worthy.

[Jorgam]

Infantilization ...Brave New World....Blah blah blah.

Saw a huffpo article recently where they called all of the sodomites 21+ at the Saturnalia orgy in Orlando kids and children. It was cringe worthy.

Redefining language. A very typical leftist activity.

[AzzarTheGod]

So the fact that the part of your brain that allows you to plan ahead doesn't fully develop until you are a at least 24 (there is a bigger difference between 18 and 21 than there is between 21 and 28), means nothing to you? Because to me, it seems highly relevant when deciding when people are able to be fully responsible for themselves. You can argue that 18 allows you to be responsible enough. But the legal definition of adult is highly misleading to a lot of people. People don't even look the same at 18 as they do when they are fully grown.

I always thought it was funny how bigger people (north euro mostly Scandinavians) weren't fully developed until their early 20's mid 20's yet, there is this domineering expectation and queerness in high school (and society of course) that you are done growing at 18, an adult, must lose virginity, must use drugs, etc.

I graduated high school at 171 pounds. Didn't fill out until 23-24, and finish by 25-26. I sit at a lean 220 without any weight training maintenance. My hip/waist was a 28 at 18, its now a pant size 38 (42 inch waist) pure structure, no fat. That's how much maturity and growth takes place among people from 18-28.

Can't help but feel that the 18 thing was made for either:

1) Women, or

2) Manlets and short stubby people with black hair and brown eyes

Count me as not surprised the brain is also nowhere near developed by that age either. The differences in physicality among many genetic types is plainly obvious in males.

Females are a whole nother story. The 18 thing seems to apply pretty firmly to them. 21 tops.

[Nihilist_santa]

People are just functional morons now Azzar. Someone who is 24 cant run a bath for themselves now but 100 years ago you would be on your way to being a grandpa and would have been working your own farm or business or some shit since about 17. If you couldn't figure it out by then you died.

[AzzarTheGod]

Definitely I noticed that each high school class during the 1999-2004 era got younger, smaller, more immature, and less able to perform athletically. This is not just my perception because I can also use athletic accomplishments to certify my perception.

The 2 classes above me were stacked with mass monsters, my class itself won the state superbowl. (Our running back got full ride to Harvard and made Captain of the team there. This isn't your average high school football)

The 3 classes below me did absolutely nothing in any sport. No athletic accomplishments and they were all incredibly immature, autistic, and small and lithe for their age. And behaviorally, they had no swagger to speak of. Real husks, no soul.

If physicality is any indication, people are taking longer to mature overall and 30 has become the new 20 in more ways than one.

[Ahldagor]

California is broke. Increase the smoking age to 21 and let the fine monies roll in. Pretty basic.

[myriverse]

California is broke. Increase the smoking age to 21 and let the fine monies roll in. Pretty basic.
Pretty backwards.

[Ahldagor]

Pretty backwards.

It's California tho'.

[Cecily]

?ainrofilaC

So I spent most of my life wishing I was in California, but recently I've decided it's just a bunch of rich people who I'd hate. Middle class people living in tent cities if you can trust Xaanka. That's probably the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. Can't wait for the ocean to swallow you guys. Learn to swim. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo)

[AzzarTheGod]

?ainrofilaC

So I spent most of my life wishing I was in California, but recently I've decided it's just a bunch of rich people who I'd hate. Middle class people living in tent cities if you can trust Xaanka. That's probably the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. Can't wait for the ocean to swallow you guys. Learn to swim. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo)

Hi were working on a derail that the younger half of our millennial counterparts sucks at everything and has no soul.

pls stay on topic.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Hi were working on a derail that the younger half of our millennial counterparts sucks at everything and has no soul.

pls stay on topic.

LOL.... sometimes Spit liquid when I drink and laugh.... LOL<

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Pretty backwards.

Wrong.... Underage smoking - court cases and fines....$$$$$$ way more than they would get from the taxes of Tobacco. In-fact I herd big Tobacco wanted this change. It's easier to addict people when there is a notion of NO , especially as an adult in a state that is so liberal... Imagine San Fransicko

[Baler]

It's like the movie The 6th Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPOfob-JIKA

[Cecily]

Hi were working on a derail that the younger half of our millennial counterparts sucks at everything and has no soul.

pls stay on topic.

Well I planted the seed for that derail and it bores me now, so I'm probably gonna rant about what a horrible place you live in and what awful people you are.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Again I see your point , but it has no bearing on this law. You are claiming because the brain isn't fully developed we should indite a law disabling a choice all together. Well shit we might as well disable all choices , because of this right? Stupid point in reference to what is being said here. That's like me using your example and banning sex until age 21... because of the decision making process... See where I am going here?

Back to the topic your bori8ng

[Cecily]

And I'm fairly sure that bitching about younger generations isn't as cutting edge as you might think. It just means you're getting old.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

im 28 beezt

[AzzarTheGod]

And I'm fairly sure that bitching about younger generations isn't as cutting edge as you might think. It just means you're getting old.

Im 30. Im still a millennial tho u cant take that away from me.

[JurisDictum]

My point was simply that there is some hard scientific basis for the argument: "If people didn't have the choice to smoke at 18, there would be less 21 year old smokers, less lifetime smokers". The State of California has an interest in the health of its population;therefore, it can pass seat belt laws, laws against possessing certain dangerous chemicals, or the age you buy alcohol and tobacco.

[maskedmelon]

Who are we to contest the sophic volition of Fate?