View Full Version : Question on Phinigel 'classicness' and p99 response
Rygar
06-22-2016, 04:56 PM
Did a search here and didn't find anything... I'm curious, with the new EQ Phinigel progression server, is the content truly being considered 'classic' to the p99 staff and community? I know there is raid instancing (blah) and content unlocking every 12 weeks, but that aside, will that content that gets released be accurate compared to classic EQ timeline (i.e. no new mobs / loot tables added that came many expansions later)?
What I'm getting at, is if 'new content' is discovered in Phinigel (old EQ has said there were a multitude of undiscovered quests), would p99 update accordingly or not accept this as being classic because 'you never know' if it was added in / fixed?
Furthermore, for zones like the Hole I remember there being slightly different loot tables and a named steel Golem I discovered during Velious era in Golem Tower but was never documented on EQ bestiary or Allakazam's.
Any dev feedback is appreciated, I'm debating making a 'discovery' toon that I wouldn't level much but just gather some intel on mob spawn points, etc and compare to p99. Just wouldn't want to waste my time if Phinigel isn't being considered 'classic content'.
Thulack
06-22-2016, 04:58 PM
Its not code from classic so wouldnt take anything that was "found" on phinny to be something from classic times.
JurisDictum
06-22-2016, 05:04 PM
There was a tendency for SoE to add in items that looked like they could be from the era years after the content was mostly trivial. This makes people new the classic EQ scholarship frequently confused about what was classic and what was added in later on these progression servers.
Rygar
06-22-2016, 05:37 PM
Damn, my dreams crushed in the blink of an eye. Thanks for the quick feedback, looks like I will save myself the time of creating a little rogue to sneak around.
Swish
06-22-2016, 06:59 PM
OP you can RMT for weapons and shiny items if you have a fat wallet.
That's about as unclassic as it gets.
I have a ranger who managed to get dark elf mask and press nerf fungi staff. So some classic elements. Not really classic though over all.
Man0warr
06-23-2016, 01:04 AM
They did a pretty good job removing out of era stuff compared to some of the other Progression servers.
They did accidentally leave in some 2003ish Velketors/Dragon Necropolis revamp items in but they got those removed recently after a couple of weeks.
Other than that, haven't seen much that isn't on Project1999 dropping. Outside of Chardok revamp stuff but P99 will get that soon.
Swish
06-23-2016, 06:17 AM
You're saying everyone was RMT'ing between vanilla and Velious?
Man, you really didn't ever play classic EQ.
Izmael
06-23-2016, 06:56 AM
I made a character on Phinigel at launch and played him for a few days.
It's not close to classic at all. Basically they took current live EQ and removed some stuff, such as non-classic zones, mercs.
But the remaining zones aren't classic at all. It's not the same NPC's. The gameplay is different... damage tables, mana/hp regen, relative mob strength, are all very different from classic or p99. Tens or hundreds of little details such as coin weight are different.
You can even parcel stuff around the world. Not sure about boats.
Everything is a lot easier and sucks compared to p99.
Thulack
06-23-2016, 08:09 AM
You're saying everyone was RMT'ing between vanilla and Velious?
People RMT'd in classic all the time. There was a time when Everquest stuff was allowed on Ebay early on and it was filled with people selling stuff.
nhdjoseywales
06-23-2016, 08:31 AM
My Quake Clan leader paid for a few semesters of college RMT'ing early lvl 50's in classic
Jimjam
06-23-2016, 08:37 AM
I just remembered something that happened a few years ago today.
Some of my school friends I played EQ with RMTed a bunch of plat onto my shaman and used it to buy my character a horse as a birthday gift. Very kind of them, but I wish they got me a LoY newt :p.
Okay, not classic era, but RMT happened.
Sodors Finest Poster
06-23-2016, 08:46 AM
As I see it:
Pros:
- Instances to avoid raid scene
- Better LFG tools (i think?)
- Modern group xp bonuses which makes grouping faster xp than solo/duoing
Cons:
- Luclin models / new zone revamps
- RMT via kronos
- Other non-classic elements
Basically, Phinigel is EQ Lite. Nothing wrong with that if you have limited time and want something easy to play but not at all the classic experience.
Plus, you know once the server progresses past POP the population will tank - much like it did historically.
Ocelo
06-23-2016, 09:38 AM
You're saying everyone was RMT'ing between vanilla and Velious?
I can say for a fact that it was rampant. Even in classic EQ. I first heard of RMT when a friend of mine started playing the game in 99 and promptly bought a Ghoulbane for 100 dollars for his paladin. Shortly thereafter I heard of another friend who bought a Sharkbone Warhammer for over 150 dollars for his shaman.
RMT was a real thing. Sadly.
Daldaen
06-23-2016, 09:58 AM
Auto loot system is very nice for being lazy
Auto combine system is very nice for being a lazy tradeskiller
I just didn't like that their EXP code so much favored grouping and penalized soloing.
Erati
06-23-2016, 10:55 AM
soloing is a fun way to test the limits of your characters gear, abilities and critical thinking
some of my favorite moments are when I see a named id like to kill in a pretty dangerous spot and you have to analyze how the heck can you not only get to it, but slay the thing without getting yourself a corpse in a hard to recover place
Laugher
06-23-2016, 11:57 AM
I liked the amount of fungi tunics drummed up in seemingly no time after kunark, classic was fun but got rough with short tanks and no regen lol. Overall it seems like they've made a better attempt this time around with putting in/taking out proper elements for xpacs, though it's definitely far from classic (esp. W/revamped zones and all)
Sirken
06-23-2016, 01:29 PM
I never knew of it til Luclin when people started to move accounts more frequently :/
folks were 100% RMTing items and accounts on Vallon Zek back in classic :(
guinness
06-23-2016, 01:34 PM
RMT was classic as hell. When I finally gave up EQ Live for good after PoP I sold my (top end raiding) account and plat for over $1000, which was a fat chunk of change to 17 year old me. I'm still baffled that anyone would pay that much money for a video game account.
That said, I think RMT is a bad influence on the game and community and I'm really glad that P99 takes such a hard stance on it. I really dislike how RMT has even been formalized and officially sanctioned in a lot of new games, but I can see why game devs would want their cut instead of leaving that money lying on the table if enough people are willing to pay for pixels.
But what I REALLY don't understand is stuff like TF2 hats and DotA items that have zero tangible benefit that people pay tons of money for. At least with EQ accounts and rare items you're buying a thing that can DO something.
Erati
06-23-2016, 02:11 PM
first month of EQ people were selling accounts straight up on Ebay. It used to be fun to search "Everquest" and compare your items to what people were listing them for( like baseball cards )
In fact my friend sold his crappy bronze geared lvl 34 cleric with a screaming mace for over 100 dollars. This was a big deal for a 16 year old back then. It was beyond dumb though bc that cleric was one of the first to lvl 30 on the server and he was playing with the 'trailblazers' of the content. After selling the account, the dude never got another character past lvl 35 in his history.
the end.
Jimjam
06-23-2016, 02:22 PM
folks were 100% RMTing items and accounts on Vallon Zek back in classic :(
I think I traded some bronze armour to someone at school on Tallon Zek for some Warhammer figures.
Thulack
06-23-2016, 02:37 PM
I think I traded some bronze armour to someone at school on Tallon Zek for some Warhammer figures.
I use to farm items for my parents and they would give me extra allowance :)
Baler
06-23-2016, 02:46 PM
wouldnt take anything that was "found" on phinny to be something from classic times.
Straight up. even Daybreak gave props to the p99 team and community for recreating classic from the ground up.
Zorlon
06-23-2016, 05:34 PM
(old EQ has said there were a multitude of undiscovered quests)
This is an old EQ Wives tale. Prathun debunked it on the forums multiple times. He said every quest/content has been discovered but there are several quests and items in the game that were designed by either an Intern or a Dev that has long since left the company and their work was never picked back up.
koros
06-23-2016, 05:40 PM
This is an old EQ Wives tale. Prathun debunked it on the forums multiple times. He said every quest/content has been discovered but there are several quests and items in the game that were designed by either an Intern or a Dev that has long since left the company and their work was never picked back up.
Unless you have a source on him saying that I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are 10s-100s of quests that are in some state of being unsolved. Either due to item rarity or ambiguous/missing text or both.
Daldaen
06-23-2016, 06:47 PM
Unless you have a source on him saying that I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are 10s-100s of quests that are in some state of being unsolved. Either due to item rarity or ambiguous/missing text or both.
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/glowing-black-stone-unsolved-quest.205657/page-2#post-3052984
Jcarakar is Jonathan Carakar (Prathun)
Zykium
06-23-2016, 07:34 PM
You're saying everyone was RMT'ing between vanilla and Velious?
I paid my rent a few months selling plat
mr_jon3s
06-23-2016, 10:45 PM
soloing is a fun way to test the limits of your characters gear, abilities and critical thinking
some of my favorite moments are when I see a named id like to kill in a pretty dangerous spot and you have to analyze how the heck can you not only get to it, but slay the thing without getting yourself a corpse in a hard to recover place
You can solo on phinny its just about the same amount of exp as being in a group.
Skinned
06-25-2016, 11:31 AM
Phinny, if classic, is only going to be classic for a few months, right?
Then it is going to go the post-McQuaid mudflation route into the future expansions.
Rhambuk
08-31-2016, 05:26 PM
https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/glowing-black-stone-unsolved-quest.205657/page-2#post-3052984
Jcarakar is Jonathan Carakar (Prathun)
My youthful spirit is no more.
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