Brexit vote inc

[Daywolf]

Britain's Exit from the EU Brexit.
You think they should?

Here's Roto Reuters: On eve of defining British EU referendum, rivals race for final votes (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKCN0Z80SN)
The vote, which echoes the rise of populism elsewhere in Europe and the United States, will shape the continent's future. A victory for "out" could unleash turmoil on financial markets and foreign exchange bureaux reported a surge in demand for foreign currency from Britons wary sterling may fall.

Could, but not will. Depends if the powers that be decide to burn the economy on their way out imo. But I hear NATO may be impacted too, possibly fall apart, which in recent events with their threats of war against Russia (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b7a8330df0114498a1611257d4cb5d58/air-land-sea-cyber-nato-adds-cyber-operation-areas) (if hacked), may not be a bad thing. Well, lots to the issues
Paul Joseph Watson discusses the Brexit vote: Brexit Threatens To Topple World Government (https://youtu.be/sSPU4SgNH8Y)(long vid)

[maskedmelon]

Vote exit for me Swish!

[NegaStoat]

The big issue on the table is the UK wanting to reclaim their sovereign ability to decide on issues of trade commodities involving volume and destination (both coming in and going out), immigrant worker status and benefits, and passport-free borders versus having to pay more each year as a nation with their current trading partners in the EU.

I'm a big fan of a nation retaining control of the creation of laws, rights, and currency and the US has lost too much of that. If the UK wants to grab some of it back, I tell 'em, goferit.

[Jorgam]

Didn't get a chance to vote here, but I believe it is in Britain's best interest to exit and be a free and independent country with their own laws and culture. Enough of the one world bullshit. It's tearing the world apart.

[Daywolf]

Yep, obviously I'm in favor of them voting in the exit. It's primarily a sovereignty issue. But to point out, as Watson mentioned at the end of that long vid, their gov may just ignore the vote and remain in the EU. They have done that many times, just like it happens here in the US using judges to nullify votes. I wonder what will happen if the gov defies the will of the people there. I like Britain, so I just hope the best for them with whatever they decide to do.

[Jorgam]

Yep, obviously I'm in favor of them voting in the exit. It's primarily a sovereignty issue. But to point out, as Watson mentioned at the end of that long vid, their gov may just ignore the vote and remain in the EU. They have done that many times, just like it happens here in the US using judges to nullify votes. I wonder what will happen if the gov defies the will of the people there. I like Britain, so I just hope the best for them with whatever they decide to do.

If only they had a 2nd amendment type right that would perhaps be a check against government that would defy the will of the people on such a critical and breaking point issue! Sadly they don't have such a right anymore and the gov knows it and is going to piss in their eyes if they feel like it. Can we all guess why the left would want to destroy that right here in the states?

[Pokesan]

yeah it's non binding, but enjoy the chaos

[Swish]

One fucking huge X is going in the exit box tomorrow.

[khanable]

swish finally said something good


weird

[Daywolf]

yeah it's non binding, but enjoy the chaos
Even if so, it's just part of the battle. Just like in the US, the struggle for sovereignty and liberty is an ongoing war. One thing for sure, it will show the Brits that they are not alone, that many of their fellow countrymen feel the same, the majority of them.
X

[Tasslehofp99]

One fucking huge X is going in the exit box tomorrow.

here here!


Praying for ya'll to do the right thing and exit. If not, the USA might be the last bastion of freedom...lol :rolleyes:

btw voted exit, but seriously considered bush/towers.

[Daywolf]

Well, tower #7 is pretty damn tempting. We can just call it linked to the Exit vote here :)
...and if so, it very likely is ;)

[Skew]

All the "unofficial" polls and anecdotal evidence I see in UK has exit at 65-70 % but somehow the " official" polls are all putting remain at a small lead. Funny that.
I shall be voting to gtfo asap. I'm afraid I've already placed a cash money bet on remain winning though as you know the saying " if voting mattered , they'd make it illegal " - Carlin ?

[Skew]

Pretty much Swish.
General Elections are likely accurate as both parties/candidates are owned. It is only when a party upsets the status quo that the "postal ballots" come into play.
Democracy is just an illusion to give the sheep the idea they have some control.

[Izmael]

I hope exit wins. EU is a joke.

Europe is the Euro (money) + Schengen (no borders) + CAP (common agricultural policy) and a million regulations (99% of which are useless). Ironically, the UK doesn't have the Euro, isn't part of Schengen and is only marginally involved in the CAP. They never really joined the EU fully to start with (and rightly so).

Euro proved to mainly benefit bankers and is responsible for shameless price gouging in all/most countries who switched to it. The common folk became remarkably poorer due to the Euro. Sovereign countries lost control over their currency.

Schengen is an unsustainable utopia. It was obvious from the start but now nobody can really deny it. It's already half dismantled due to the migration crisis. Before Schengen, borders weren't a problem as far as I can remember.

The regulations are a huge burden on the economic activity and part of the reason so many activities are being / have been moved to Asia.

I can't comment on the CAP as it would require a good understanding of its consequences in all countries. It's only a small part of EU though.

I don't see why nations such as Finland have to be married to nations such as Portugal. They have too little in common.

They are negotiating with islamist Turkey to join EU but said no to Ukraine.

People don't want the EU and it's starting to show.

[Pokesan]

if my moon math is right, the polls are now closed

p a r t y t i m e

[Pokesan]

will hogwarts shut down if you guys leave the eu?

edit

https://twitter.com/markets/status/746120369451470849/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

http://i.imgur.com/V9ugJk0.png

https://twitter.com/World_First/status/746120874454097921/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Lune]

will hogwarts shut down if you guys leave the eu?

No but Quirrel has to take his turban and go home, and defense against the dark arts adds a unit on Islam

[Daywolf]

Collapses? It's higher than before the surge... and still up from a week ago.
Bloomberg is stupid.

Our liberal press is saying on the radio "oh the vote doesn't matter, because N. Ireland will remain in the EU and has open borders with Britain."
Maybe Britain should consider building a moat between them and Ireland ...oh wait :D

[Pokesan]

you maniacs - you absolute maniacs - you're really going to leave.

jolly good self-destruction mates!

[Lune]

It's happening

http://i.imgur.com/DIXK3hY.jpg

[Tecmos Deception]

Definitely looking like a Brexit.

72.8% Reporting
Votes
Remain a member of the European Union 48.5% 10,842,366
Leave the European Union 51.5% 11,496,842

[Nihilist_santa]

Why did the scots want to leave the UK but vote yes to remain?

[Lune]

Why did the scots want to leave the UK but vote yes to remain?

From what I understand, Scotland is more liberal than the rest of UK, and liberals tend to be aligned more toward Remain (for obvious reasons; a big push behind Brexit is anti-immigration)

I don't even know yet where I stand. On the one hand it sends a powerful message about nationalism and immigration, and on the other it goes hand in hand with a boatload of conservative retardation and right-wing economics. I want to see democratic-socialism in Europe thrive, but they are destroying it with multiculturalism and the beginning of the same brand of corruption we have going in the US.

[Pokesan]

skynews just called it. leave wins!

BBC says that the financial markets are shitting bricks massively right now

FTSE down 8% and it isn't even open yet

Tokyo down 6%

the pound is cratering it's worse than 2009, it's at 1985 levels right now

edit: Nigel Farage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPbDONLZwXQ

[Nihilist_santa]

From what I understand, Scotland is more liberal than the rest of UK, and liberals tend to be aligned more toward Remain.

I don't even know yet where I stand. On the one hand it sends a powerful message about nationalism and immigration, and on the other it goes hand in hand with a boatload of conservative retardation and right-wing economics. I want to see democratic-socialism in Europe thrive, but they are destroying it with multiculturalism and the beginning of the same brand of corruption we have going in the US.

Ah ok thanks for clearing that up. I was looking into it some between the post and apparently some think this could be a play by the Scots to call another referendum after the success of the Brexit which makes sense on some level. Dont know enough about the inner workings of the members of the UK to say much either way.

[maskedmelon]

Good for Brittain ^^

[Tankdan]

EU is a failure

Congrats UK on uncucking yourselves.

[Ahldagor]

Now to redo those trade agreements with EU members.

[Jorgam]

Congratulations Britain! Way to remember who should be in charge of your country. =)

Very excited for you all! :D

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/WuVqZJx.png

[NegaStoat]

Well, Fox news is having a field day with this so naturally I have to watch with a morbid curiosity. I'm happy for the UK as well, but it leaves me asking a question.

Immigrant workers (especially Muslims) enjoyed certain rights and so forth for moving in and obtaining work by means of the EU trade agreements. The UK just left so... how are they going to be revising current Immigration and Immigrant laws, and how will it effect existing immigrants within the nation?

[Pokesan]

don't say the M word off topic might have a seizure

[big_ole_jpn]

p r a s

[mmmroo]

Good job UK, way to give the New world order the finger!

[JayDee]

Remember when you could vote on the new doritos flavors

[Trollhide]

Pepperidge Farm remembers

[Xaanka]

1 step closer to trump world president

[Izmael]

Well done, UK. Good luck to you. I'm sure the City is going to be just fine, the pound is going to be just fine shortly, and your country will be much better off without the EU marasm.

[Blitzers]

Thank you sir, may I have another.

WTB TEX-IT, make it happen.

[khanable]

went to bed expecting the UK to all vote remain

woke up and learned they voted to leave and Cameron is resigning

crazy!

[heartbrand]

Wonder how much money I've lost today

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Good job Brits.

Now, if only Sodor would exit the union.

http://i.imgur.com/6Da86pY.jpg

[khanable]

http://i.imgur.com/h6IPZVg.gif

The internet has been busy lol

yes, yes it has...

[trigger warning]

https://i.sli.mg/DJRxYy.png

[Ahldagor]

Damn! 72% voter turn out. Well done UK on exercising the vote. Scotland proly leaving, N Ireland? Wales?

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Remember when Europe mattered? Lol, crazy times!

[Hailto]

Lol, pound dropping like a rock. Good job UK.

[Hailto]

Scotland isn't happy that it voted in majority to remain but overall it's been forced to leave, so the SNP leader wants a second vote to exit from the UK and rejoin the European Union (lol).

Scotland will be free.

[Pokesan]

Wonder how much money I've lost today

tell us,,,

Scotland will be free.

and at this rate the way the Pound is tanking Dublin might be able to simply buy Belfast and drive most of its inhabitants into the sea.

:)

[Hailto]

http://i.imgur.com/mMyCtDn.jpg

[India]

Data analysis at it's finest

In the wee hours of Friday morning, the people of the UK voted to leave the European Union with a majority of 52 percent—and according to Google, they don't really know why. Two hours after the referendum polls closed, roughly midnight UK time, the Google Trends Twitter account reported a 250 percent increase in people searching "what happens if we leave the EU." "Are we in or out of the EU?" spiked by 2,450 percent.

Other search terms that peaked following the result include "what happens to foreigners if we leave the EU," "what happens if we stay in the EU," and—perhaps most worryingly considering the gravity of the decision—"what is Brexit?"


http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/06/brexit-google-search-trends-tech/

[Alarti0001]

Data analysis at it's finest

In the wee hours of Friday morning, the people of the UK voted to leave the European Union with a majority of 52 percent—and according to Google, they don't really know why. Two hours after the referendum polls closed, roughly midnight UK time, the Google Trends Twitter account reported a 250 percent increase in people searching "what happens if we leave the EU." "Are we in or out of the EU?" spiked by 2,450 percent.

Other search terms that peaked following the result include "what happens to foreigners if we leave the EU," "what happens if we stay in the EU," and—perhaps most worryingly considering the gravity of the decision—"what is Brexit?"


http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/06/brexit-google-search-trends-tech/

Lol

[MrSparkle001]

Was the main issue immigration? That GIF is correct for me at least. I'm an American who doesn't know why the vote was called for. I don't know exactly how the EU operates. Were they forcing immigration on Britain or something?

I can tell you right now though: Britain is only the first country to leave.

I also know there's a difference between immigration and what Europe is going through right now. Immigration without integration doesn't have to be tolerated and in many cases shouldn't.

[Blitzers]

http://i.imgur.com/mMyCtDn.jpg

I love when people guilt themselves over history they had nothing to do with, it's such a weak mentality.

[Pokesan]

I can tell you right now though: Britain is only the first country to leave.


Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.

[Blitzers]

Hi guys, some dead people I may or may not be related to were bad a long time ago, so you should kick my ass now to make up for it.

[Jimjam]

Was the main issue immigration? That GIF is correct for me at least. I'm an American who doesn't know why the vote was called for. I don't know exactly how the EU operates. Were they forcing immigration on Britain or something?

I can tell you right now though: Britain is only the first country to leave.

I also know there's a difference between immigration and what Europe is going through right now. Immigration without integration doesn't have to be tolerated and in many cases shouldn't.

In terms of immigration EU only had power over the movement of Europeans, and in the case of Britain this power was very diluted. In truth much European immigration was only temporary and there isn't very much problem with Europeans intergrating into other European nations (such as Britain).

Internationally, Britain set it's own immigration rules (nothing to do with Europe really).

In p99 talk immigration WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH ISSUE!

[sOurDieSel]

Those racists redcoats in Britain... I swear, only a racist would want independence and self determination.

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/B47EB5g.png

[Daywolf]

They are calling on Khan to free Londonstan from the UK
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/londoners-call-capital-break-away-8276156
https://i.imgur.com/mL9Dixzh.jpg

[Raev]

It's kind of amusing to see the liberals crowing about economic turmoil.

1. Where is your empathy, pals?

2. FTSE actually closed higher this week.

[Pokesan]

im allowed to find self-ownage funny - extremely funny in fact!

[Izmael]

Feels goog knowing this EU scam is starting to crumble. Mad props to my Brit friends for making the first move.

I hope France, Germany, Sweden, Holland, Italy... well, basically, relevant countries follow up in the years to come.

[Daywolf]

im allowed to find self-ownage funny - extremely funny in fact!
Fearmongering can be laughs, too. If the system is so great and strong, then the EU has nothing to fear, right? The pound isn't crashing, and the EU will limp along as usual.

[JurisDictum]

Well holy shit. I never thought those crazy Brits would actually do it. I am very interested in the market impact of this, specific sectors etc.

It will be an interesting foreshadow for the Trump vs Hillary election in America. If it proves to be a popular move in the long term, I would say it is a good sign for Trump.

[sOurDieSel]

Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.

haha

More are sure to follow.

[Skew]

I think Nigel Farage said it best in 2010 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dranqFntNgo
Funny.

Very proud the way my fellow Limeys stood up to Project Fear.
Fuck the EU and fuck Scotland whilst we are at it. Vote to leave the UK next please and go titty baby off Germany instead of England. We are done with you useless welfare queens .

[maskedmelon]

I think Nigel Farage said it best in 2010 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dranqFntNgo
Funny.

Very proud the way my fellow Limeys stood up to Project Fear.
Fuck the EU and fuck Scotland whilst we are at it. Vote to leave the UK next please and go titty baby off Germany instead of England. We are done with you useless welfare queens .

Good post ^^

[Bazia]

http://i.imgur.com/hABxke7.png?1

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/hABxke7.png?1

boss

[Zuranthium]

I love when people guilt themselves over history they had nothing to do with, it's such a weak mentality.

Ignoring history, what has caused the present, and what your life would be like under a different circumstance, is the weak mentality.

Enough of the one world bullshit. It's tearing the world apart.

No. Taking the opposite approach is always what has torn the world apart and created more conflict and continues to be a large source of "the problem".

Hilarious to see people calling the EU "Project Fear" when exactly the opposite is the case - calling for isolationism is an invocation of fear. It's all about "what are we getting out of it right now" and continued xenophobia. There are ebbs and flows to every individual market and ultimately they are connected.

Try to ignore and push aside what you wrongly consider to be "trash" and eventually it piles up and your own environment is permanently worse off as a result and you're breathing polluted air that is the result of your own ignorance. I wonder how many people here think the United States should break up into a bunch of different countries.

You're basically a Gnoll if you think this was a good idea.

[Izmael]

3 things killed EU:
- Schengen (deny countries control of their borders)
- the Euro (deny countries control of their currency)
- opening negotiations with Turkey (nobody wants 70 million extra Muslims in Schengen)

Take these 3 things away and maybe there's some future for the EU. But who am I kidding.

[Lune]

In the future, the Euro could have possibly been on track to replace or challenge the dollar as the world's reserve currency, which is an incredibly advantageous status. Now? Never gonna happen.

I'm having trouble thinking of real concrete benefits to UK leaving the EU, besides sending a big middle finger to the global financial elite and multiculturalists. UK already wasn't a part of the Schengen area and already had control of their borders; it was ultimately the British leadership who were responsible for its immigration policy and, driven by business interests, allowed the flood to happen.

[Baler]

I think it is funny how some people were all like EU > NA
Now this happens and all those people shut up.

[Bazia]

love my western world eubros

[Lojik]

Brexit is a perfect example of why I hate politics. It's basically a 50/50 vote, and each side wants to completely dismiss the other sides opinion because [insert some generalisation.] One side claims worldwide panic and chaos will ensue, the other claims liberation from international elite bankers, but the reality is probably going to fall somewhere in between. They'll use singular anecdotal stories to reinforce their opinions, but completely dismiss anything that goes against what they believe. They'll use one type of evidence to reinforce their claims, but ignore that exact type of evidence when it goes against what they believe. For instance, people who were in the remain camp will point to markets dropping as evidence that panic will ensue, but a lot of these people probably shrugged it off when markets dipped when Obama was elected. It's the opposite way around for people in the leave camp.

What we've really learned from history is that, no one really fucking knows what's going to happen. Short term it will probably be a net negative for Britain because change is always hard, but in the long run it could easily turn out better or worse depending on how things go. Call me cynical, but I personally have a hard time believing that politicians will be willing to let the status quo change too much based on a direct vote by the people. Titles change, power shifts hand from one elite set to another, but businesses still need to make money and there are people to be fleeced in Britain and Europe. Trading terms et cetera will take a while to hash out, so likely you'll see terms similar to how things are now in the meantime and probably in the future as well (similar to Norway and Switzerland arrangements with the EU.)

There are opportunities both lost and gained for Britain with this. One thing though is it sends a message to those officials in the EU that there is certainly some accountability for their actions now. Maybe this could make the EU stronger in the future, and perhaps 10 years or more down the road Britain (or just England) could rejoin the EU.

[big_ole_jpn]

Brexit is a perfect example of why I hate politics. It's basically a 50/50 vote, and each side wants to completely dismiss the other sides opinion because [insert some generalisation.] One side claims worldwide panic and chaos will ensue, the other claims liberation from international elite bankers, but the reality is probably going to fall somewhere in between. They'll use singular anecdotal stories to reinforce their opinions, but completely dismiss anything that goes against what they believe. They'll use one type of evidence to reinforce their claims, but ignore that exact type of evidence when it goes against what they believe. For instance, people who were in the remain camp will point to markets dropping as evidence that panic will ensue, but a lot of these people probably shrugged it off when markets dipped when Obama was elected. It's the opposite way around for people in the leave camp.

What we've really learned from history is that, no one really fucking knows what's going to happen. Short term it will probably be a net negative for Britain because change is always hard, but in the long run it could easily turn out better or worse depending on how things go. Call me cynical, but I personally have a hard time believing that politicians will be willing to let the status quo change too much based on a direct vote by the people. Titles change, power shifts hand from one elite set to another, but businesses still need to make money and there are people to be fleeced in Britain and Europe. Trading terms et cetera will take a while to hash out, so likely you'll see terms similar to how things are now in the meantime and probably in the future as well (similar to Norway and Switzerland arrangements with the EU.)

There are opportunities both lost and gained for Britain with this. One thing though is it sends a message to those officials in the EU that there is certainly some accountability for their actions now. Maybe this could make the EU stronger in the future, and perhaps 10 years or more down the road Britain (or just England) could rejoin the EU.

agreed

[Daywolf]

er we do know, just like we knew about Iceland. Iceland crushes the corruption, the left whines it's all over for Icelend, just doom and gloom. Six months later the recovery is obvious, today they are doing well.

Brexit is much of the same, other than they may be better off since they didn't wait until things were so dire... or even worse would be this case due to the insane multiculturalism push by the EU which is about making sure no one ever escapes the corruption by way of voting.

Almost waited too long, another year and the invaders would have taken the vote in the other direction.

[Blitzers]

1 thing is sure the Brits are gonna keep their Tea Kettles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11061538/EU-to-ban-high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

A study ordered by the European Commission, currently in draft form, has identified up to 30 electrical appliances including lawn mowers, smart phones and kettles that could be covered by the EU's Ecodesign directive outlawing high-wattage devices.

Günther Oettinger, the German EU energy commissioner, said that legislation preventing consumers from buying high-wattage appliances was necessary to fight climate change.

[AzzarTheGod]

1 thing is sure the Brits are gonna keep their Tea Kettles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11061538/EU-to-ban-high-energy-hair-dryers-smartphones-and-kettles.html

A study ordered by the European Commission, currently in draft form, has identified up to 30 electrical appliances including lawn mowers, smart phones and kettles that could be covered by the EU's Ecodesign directive outlawing high-wattage devices.

Günther Oettinger, the German EU energy commissioner, said that legislation preventing consumers from buying high-wattage appliances was necessary to fight climate change.

they tried it here. said they were taking all my light bulbs and replacing them, stealing my bulbs essentially.

I said you can take your own bulbs and swap them, but the lights I provide I provide for a reason because I like and prefer the lighting. its my decision to install these lights.

told them fuck off and it worked. got an exemption.

[Zuranthium]

"The invaders"

LMAO. Again, gnolls.

I hope the immigration policy is adjusted to really limit unskilled workers of any nationality coming in and taking a job a Brit could do.

(and before anyone calls me racist, this is America's policy)

America's policy is not an example of something not being racist or wrong.

How exactly is an "unskilled" worker taking a job that a Brit could do? If that person was unskilled then the job they "took" was something an unskilled Brit would have done. What makes an unskilled natural-born Brit better than an unskilled person who happened to instead grow up in France, Germany, India, or Africa?

The only thing that truly defines any person's Nationality is agreeing to live by the rules which govern the country.

I don't think for a second that if the US entered a North American Union which allowed the free movement of Mexicans into the US to work that it would be popular or desirable by the majority.

Of course it wouldn't be popular, but popularity is hardly the sole determiner of something being good or bad. The other issue is that of nations being in alignment to begin with. Europe as a whole collectively learned the lesson after World War 2 of how disastrous it is to segregate. It's only natural they should form a like-minded union. Mexico, on the other hand, still differs quite a lot from the US. They need to change a lot of their own practices until it would make sense to "bring them into the fold".

[sOurDieSel]

"The invaders"

LMAO. Again, gnolls.



America's policy is not an example of something not being racist or wrong.

How exactly is an "unskilled" worker taking a job that a Brit could do? If that person was unskilled then the job they "took" was something an unskilled Brit would have done. What makes an unskilled natural-born Brit better than an unskilled person who happened to instead grow up in France, Germany, India, or Africa?

The only thing that truly defines any person's Nationality is agreeing to live by the rules which govern the country.



Of course it wouldn't be popular, but popularity is hardly the sole determiner of something being good or bad. The other issue is that of nations being in alignment to begin with. Europe as a whole collectively learned the lesson after World War 2 of how disastrous it is to segregate. It's only natural they should form a like-minded union. Mexico, on the other hand, still differs quite a lot from the US. They need to change a lot of their own practices until it would make sense to "bring them into the fold".

Good job circle jerking your way to a wrong conclusion. Its what the left is famous for.

[Pokesan]

Good job circle jerking your way to a wrong conclusion. Its what the left is famous for.

you have no idea what a circlejerk is you cuck!!!

[AzzarTheGod]

Who is further left than Zuranthium on this forum?

[Jimjam]

The "Invaders" weren't able to vote on this, it was for British Nationals only as I recall.

The unskilled workers thing is an interesting point. I wonder if it is better for them to come here and undercut the value of British labour (within the remit of the minimum wage*) and pay taxes, or if it is better for the job to go abroad to the unskilled labour (which despite the protests of globalisation actually pumps money into developing countries, encourages unionisation there and eventually improves wages and working conditions there).

*that said, there is an element of the minimum wage being illegally bypassed with unpaid overtime, or straight up illegal cash in hand work, even at big employers such as the Sports Direct retail chain.

[Daywolf]

The "Invaders" weren't able to vote on this, it was for British Nationals only as I recall.
Leading Islamic association calls on Britain’s Muslims to vote to REMAIN in EU (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682335/Muslim-Association-of-Britain-Brexit-Remain-vote-EU-referendum)
Invaders.
After all, they are calling on Khan to Break London off from the UK after the Brexit vote. lol if that happens ... 10 years from now the US will be like conducting land for peace negotiations out of Londonistan, and the more land the UK gives to Londonistan for peace, the less peace there seems to be.

[Pokesan]

TPTWP says you're wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxnvonT3_4

[Daywolf]

TPTWP says you're wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxnvonT3_4
He should run for office. Because you know how much Brits just <3 actors opinions and how they should all be landing gov positions ^^

[R Flair]

lost respect for Kit seeing this. Dunno why i expected a hollywood fgt to think otherwise though.

[Jimjam]

Leading Islamic association calls on Britain’s Muslims to vote to REMAIN in EU (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682335/Muslim-Association-of-Britain-Brexit-Remain-vote-EU-referendum).

So when you complain about invaders you are actually complaining about people born in Britain?

[Jimjam]

Maybe invaders is a bad word, but compare to white South Africans in South Africa... who by the way are having a shit time of it. Racism is a thing that white people do to non-whites though, right?


Lefties are already going crazy, everyone is spreading stupid shit on Facebook... like an Indian kid walking around pretending to look scared showing his passport to everyone etc.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. The first couple of generations after immigration do tend to fit in badly as they are torn between the cultural identity of the place they are born/raised and that of where their parents came (often where they have never been themselves).

Things do tend to get better, but as you say tensions do take a long time (forever) to cool. The uncle of a school friend was a colonial land owner and they did him in :o. But colonialism was much more a result of 'invasion'.

[derpcake]

before Brexit: "we gonna pump that 350 mil pound a week into the NHS!

1 day after brexit: "we can't send that money towards NHS"

this morning: "the brexit will damage our finances, but we won't start cutting back on expenses before Cameron is replaced"

Sad & hilarious.

[Daywolf]

So when you complain about invaders you are actually complaining about people born in Britain?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3424584/Muslims-UK-3-million-time-50-born-outside-Britain-Number-country-doubles-decade-immigration-birth-rates-soar.html

No? Invaders is spot on. And at a 5% rejection rate to naturalizetion, well it's been an act of surrender. Europe is being invaded.

[Blitzers]

People want peace and harmony at any cost (which is wrong). There's a "super mosque" coming to my city, and nobody wants it apart from a small minority of muslims... but we're having it, because none of the elected local council have the balls to say what we're all thinking.

Swish, looks like in a few years you'll be hosting the "call to prayer" good luck buddy.

Halalalalaramalauaooooyaasaulamanaroooooo. < Swish 2020

[derpcake]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3424584/Muslims-UK-3-million-time-50-born-outside-Britain-Number-country-doubles-decade-immigration-birth-rates-soar.html

No? Invaders is spot on. And at a 5% rejection rate to naturalizetion, well it's been an act of surrender. Europe is being invaded.

How to rile up a bunch of lower education people pro-Brexit:

"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."


Further

1) Naturalization
2) 5% is an invasion, right
3) its retards like you that ruined the UK's economy and political stability for god knows how long

Anyway, currently the French are responsible for holding back "invaders" in Calais from passing to the UK, they have already stated they will renegotiate this as they no longer want to provide such a service to a non-EU member.

[Daywolf]

People want peace and harmony at any cost (which is wrong). There's a "super mosque" coming to my city, and nobody wants it apart from a small minority of muslims... but we're having it, because none of the elected local council have the balls to say what we're all thinking.
Got the same thing here. Up in Idaho, where the 5yo girl was gang raped by a bunch of muslim immigrant youths this month, it takes weeks to months to get appoval to build a house, but a mosque there was approved in under two days. Down in southern Idaho, has more liberals there compared to the rest of the state which is heavily conservative. Imo not that conservative is a pre-req to know the difference between insanity and self-preservation, some are getting it.

[derpcake]

needs more hear-say from Daywolf to further prove my point

[derpcake]

Could, but not will.

could you elaborate on the many benefits the UK economy is going to see from this?

perhaps with a focus on the short term, as the pound is doing bad again today, at the lowest point in 31 years?

thx for the enlightenment

[AzzarTheGod]

could you elaborate on the many benefits the UK economy is going to see from this?

perhaps with a focus on the short term, as the pound is doing bad again today, at the lowest point in 31 years?

thx for the enlightenment

The banking system will punish Britain for not voting Globalist, as always happens when these things occur. Did you expect anything else?

Its a tantrum the globalists throw, eventually life goes on.

Short term benefits?

You and your friends aren't welcome to enter a soverign nation without a visa anymore, and your refugee buddies from Syria via Belgium aren't transplanted in mass droves to good neighborhoods with normal civilized people.

[Daywolf]

needs more hear-say from Daywolf to further prove my pointI'm on my tab, GoT playing on my lappy, and 19hrs into the brilliant seamless "upgrade" of winX on the desktop. I'm not posting a link atm, and anyway if you havn't heard of this already, you prolly beyond hope, just a tool of the deaf, dumb, blind far left as they double-down now on their delusional mind-games. Fly you fools!

[derpcake]

The banking system will punish Britain for not voting Globalist, as always happens when these things occur. Did you expect anything else?

Its a tantrum the globalists throw, eventually life goes on.

Short term benefits?

You and your friends aren't welcome to enter a soverign nation without a visa anymore, and your refugee buddies from Syria via Belgium aren't transplanted in mass droves to good neighborhoods with normal civilized people.

London will thrive without the banking system which you are blaming.

I already posted about the French at Calais .. you think Belgium / France will spend any money to keep foreigners here, which we are doing now?

We gonna ship them all towards the island bro, its not even EU anymore, so who cares.

https://www.rt.com/news/348308-calais-brexit-borders-migrants/

Funny how that works out, right?

Also the UK will be negotiating against (not with) the entirety of the EU, and while the UK used to rule the waves in the past, they most certainly are the underdog in this negotiation.

But there was an invasion right! Goering smiling from Brazil I bet.

[Jimjam]

Leading Islamic association calls on Britain’s Muslims to vote to REMAIN in EU (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682335/Muslim-Association-of-Britain-Brexit-Remain-vote-EU-referendum)
Invaders.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3424584/Muslims-UK-3-million-time-50-born-outside-Britain-Number-country-doubles-decade-immigration-birth-rates-soar.html

No? Invaders is spot on. And at a 5% rejection rate to naturalizetion, well it's been an act of surrender. Europe is being invaded.

Okay, I understand Swish's point of view more now, but I'm still struggling to understand yours, Daywolf.

You link to an article encouraging British muslims to vote remain (only British nationals could take part in this referendum), and then link to an article saying half of the muslims in Britain aren't British.

You certainly seem troubled by the number of muslims in the UK, but I'm struggling to understand what narrative you are trying to construct within the context of the brexit vote.

European countries are all basically Christian, so freedom of movement of Europeans within European nations (something that doesn't even fully apply to Britain anyway), won't make much of a difference to the number of muslims in Britain; if anything because there are so many muslims in Britain one thing it does allow is make it easier for muslims to leave.

Most of the muslims in the UK from the former Empire, not Europe... well those muslims who weren't born British at least.

[Daywolf]

could you elaborate on the many benefits the UK economy is going to see from this?

perhaps with a focus on the short term, as the pound is doing bad again today, at the lowest point in 31 years?

thx for the enlightenment
All you did is cut off the body of my post and slap back your retard question which was already answered in the post. Boy, you really are slow, eh?

[Blitzers]

How to rile up a bunch of lower education people pro-Brexit:

"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."


Further

1) Naturalization
2) 5% is an invasion, right
3) its retards like you that ruined the UK's economy and political stability for god knows how long

Anyway, currently the French are responsible for holding back "invaders" in Calais from passing to the UK, they have already stated they will renegotiate this as they no longer want to provide such a service to a non-EU member.

Less then 1% of the U.S. Population participated in IRAQI FREEDOM, was that an invasion?

The Liberal Lisp says, "It's only an invasion if they have guns," derp, derp.

Btw, ISLAM is worse then a gun.

[derpcake]

I haven't seen muslims airstriking london, nor have i seen their armored vehicles.

Further you are comparing 1% of a nations population being involved in an assault abroad, against 5% of a country having a certain religion.

These things make fine sense.

Its mostly people without much of an education that are xenophobes, easily riled with slogans due to lack of foresight.

Guess thats one thing the yes-voters have in common with the part of muslim population i dislike myself.

[derpcake]

"LETS MAKE THE UK GREAT AGAIN!!"


http://i.imgur.com/O26cuEw.png

shit looks like a bad Worms map..

[Blitzers]

I haven't seen muslims airstriking london, nor have i seen their armored vehicles.

Further you are comparing 1% of a nations population being involved in an assault abroad, against 5% of a country having a certain religion.

These things make fine sense.

Its mostly people without much of an education that are xenophobes, easily riled with slogans due to lack of foresight.

Guess thats one thing the yes-voters have in common with the part of muslim population i dislike myself.

Allahu Akbar is an air strike, dumbass. Lol

Did we forget 9/11/01?

[Izmael]

Low GBP isn't necessarily bad for the UK.

Also name one country in the world where a substantial (>20%) muslim population leaves peacefully and on fair terms with the rest of the population.

[derpcake]

Low GBP isn't necessarily bad for the UK.

Also name one country in the world where a substantial (>20%) muslim population leaves peacefully and on fair terms with the rest of the population.

oh no, value of your coin crashing is a great sign

unsure where more then 20% of population is muslim and has to leave peacefully?

/shrug

[Blitzers]

oh no, value of your coin crashing is a great sign

unsure where more then 20% of population is muslim and has to leave peacefully?

/shrug

Why do you think China keeps devaluing their currency. It incentivizes other countries to purchase your products, thus enriching businesses within instead of abroad. The Pound will be fine, quit with the psycho-babble.

[derpcake]

Allahu Akbar is an air strike, dumbass. Lol

Did we forget 9/11/01?

ah yes, 9/11, the great muslim invasion of the USA

next

[derpcake]

Why do you think China keeps devaluing their currency. It incentivizes other countries to purchase your products, thus enriching businesses within instead of abroad. The Pound will be fine, quit with the psycho-babble.

because china has an economy based on production and exporting of goods, to a far greater extent then the UK has or ever will have

next

(sry buying chinese shit just got that much more expensive though)

unless the new UK plan is to compete with upcoming economies and 3rd world countries, when it comes to the production of fine 2.00$ T-shirts and such

guess i might have overseen this masterplan

"The Bank of England, the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the IMF have assessed the long-term economic consequences of Brexit. They suggest an income loss of £3,000 to £5,000 annually per household – once the British economy settles down to its new steady-state five years or so after Brexit. But there are some more immediate financial consequences that have hardly been mentioned in the referendum debate."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-soros

read the entire article pls, it further explains while atm is a terrible time to ruin the value of your own currency

of course you'll probably just say its "psycho-babble"

"Several experts have predicted that the economic shock of leaving the EU would cause unemployment to rise in the UK. That would reduce the pressure for wage growth. The Treasury estimated that wages will be between 2.8% and 4% lower at the point of maximum impact, with a typical worker at least £780 a year worse off.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36537906

and so on

[Izmael]

The Bank of England, the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the IMF have no fucking clue about what Brexit will cost (or how much the UK will benefit from it).

[Blitzers]

because china has an economy based on production and exporting of goods, to a far greater extent then the UK has or ever will have

next

(sry buying chinese shit just got that much more expensive though)

unless the new UK plan is to compete with upcoming economies and 3rd world countries, when it comes to the production of fine 2.00$ T-shirts and such

guess i might have overseen this masterplan

"The Bank of England, the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the IMF have assessed the long-term economic consequences of Brexit. They suggest an income loss of £3,000 to £5,000 annually per household – once the British economy settles down to its new steady-state five years or so after Brexit. But there are some more immediate financial consequences that have hardly been mentioned in the referendum debate."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/20/brexit-crash-pound-living-standards-george-soros

read the entire article pls, it further explains while atm is a terrible time to ruin the value of your own currency

of course you'll probably just say its "psycho-babble"

"Several experts have predicted that the economic shock of leaving the EU would cause unemployment to rise in the UK. That would reduce the pressure for wage growth. The Treasury estimated that wages will be between 2.8% and 4% lower at the point of maximum impact, with a typical worker at least £780 a year worse off.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36537906

and so on

Liberal Lisp says, " The Global Elitist predict doom, we best listen."

Everytime you post, I hear a distant baaaaaaaaaa.

Shut up and invoke Article 50 already.

[derpcake]

Noone has a clue besides you two I see.

Ok then.

I'm perfectly ok with people lacking education being ignorant, its what makes life easy for the rest of us.

Carry on.

[Skew]

Derpcake , please never ever use Soros as an argument for anything. He epitomises everything wrong with crony-capitalism. He is a sociopath of the highest order (helping Nazis round up his fellow Jews was "probably the happiest time of his life" - direct quote) and will say and do whatever it takes to make a $.
He coverts absolute power. He gives Kissinger a run for his money of men who make the World move whilst being unaccountable. Nothing good comes from Soros (or the Guardian or BBC for that matter - well , BBC wildlife documentaries arent bad , but not worth the $200 a year tax i have to pay for the privilege of owning a TV in the UK)

ps: the IMF , World Bank , Federal Reserve , ECB and every other quasi-state Monetary institution have been so hugely wrong on every single economic forecast of importance over the last 8 years (look it up), it is a safe bet to say any prediction they have about the UK economy based off Brexit is worth no more than what a bunch of chimps with a typewriter think. Oh , you can include most Wall St and City banks too. An echo chamber like none other.

[derpcake]

Everyone is wrong and the devaluation of the pound is great.

I already let go, stop replying to me :)

[Skew]

Yes all those institutions are wrong - they literally cannot hit a cows arse with a banjo when it comes to forecasting. Glad you are learning.
And if you listen to Hedge Fund managers youre a sucker. Theyre the best in the World at saying one thing and doing another.

[Izmael]

Noone has a clue besides you two I see.

Ok then.

I'm perfectly ok with people lacking education being ignorant, its what makes life easy for the rest of us.

Carry on.

I never said I could evaluate the cost (or benefit) of Brexit to the UK. It is ridiculous to pretend you can do it, at this moment.

Nobody has a clue of how the economy will react, how the exchange rates will react, whether or not Scotland and friends will bounce, what trade agreements will be established with the UK, what will be the impact of it all on business confidence, GDP, exports, migration tendencies, debt, employment and about a bazillion of other indicators.

Someone once said that the economists have been invented so the meteorologists don't feel so lonely.


But since you sound like like you consider yourself educated, maybe you can enlighten everyone.

[Blitzers]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/19/diseases-thought-eradicated-world-refugee-day/

Thank you sir, may I have another.

[derpcake]

I don't think we have to predict how the exchange rates will react.

Its funny how you claim "noone can know what will happen", when that boat has already sunk.

The impact of business confidence? The UKs rating was lowered, and several large companies have announced their intention to leave.

As a consequence of this, the London house-market is expected to depreciate.

I could post more.. but whats the point when facing a bunch of people that come up with 0 arguments, never mind sources besides "NANANANA I'M RIGHT LALALALA"

dem brexit voters lol

[derpcake]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/19/diseases-thought-eradicated-world-refugee-day/

Thank you sir, may I have another.

That's a very respectable source, and also very relevant.

Its about the US btw.

lmao

[Skew]

You do know the US rating was lowered about 4-5 years ago yes? And it had ZERO impact on bond yields.
You do know that rating agencies had Lehman and Bear as solid A+ before they went under right?
You do know how central banks manipulate markets with "liquidity injections" - do you know what the term liquidity even implies?
You do know that market prices fluctuate and "trading headlines" is never going to be a long term winning strategy ?
You do know those "several large companies" were banks who wanted to follow through their Brexit fear mongering and have already made a U-Turn and will not move a single employee ?
I mean , i could go on , but i think youre out of your depth on this entire topic.

[Blitzers]

That's a very respectable source, and also very relevant.

Its about the US btw.

lmao

I guess your too stupid to draw the correlation.

[derpcake]

i think i've posted stuff from various sources, and it all gets shot down with

"noone knows anything"

do you know how liquidity is attained, with the current interest rates? i'm guessing you skipped that BBC article i linked

gl with it pals, really

[derpcake]

I guess your too stupid to draw the correlation.

you've posted one link and it isn't even about the UK, while claiming any article about the UK is false and its authors are ignorant

what correlation btw? because the USA and UK are so similar, because the UK has lots of mexican immigrants?

lol

have you considered building a wall?

[Blitzers]

you've posted one link and it isn't even about the UK, while claiming any article about the UK is false and its authors are ignorant

what correlation btw? because the USA and UK are so similar, because the UK has lots of mexican immigrants?

lol

Yoir too far gone.

And the meek shall inherit the Earth. Rush

[Skew]

i think i've posted stuff from various sources, and it all gets shot down with

"noone knows anything"

do you know how liquidity is attained, with the current interest rates? i'm guessing you skipped that BBC article i linked

gl with it pals, really



LOL im well aware how our monetary systme operates without a BBC Guide For Finance Dummies thank.

Did you even listen to my first rebuttal :
do not link to sources that either
a) have a track record of being very wrong about EVERYTHING theyre meant to be "experts" at
or
b) are sociopaths whose every other word is a lie (Soros makes money out of fooling people)


You bought into Project Fear. Its ok , theres no shame in being fooled - most people are fooled by a lot more than Brexit.

[derpcake]

Yoir too far gone.

I guess your too stupid to draw the correlation.

I'm hoping your 3rd try is going to come out a success.

[derpcake]

You bought into Project Fear. Its ok , theres no shame in being fooled - most people are fooled by a lot more than Brexit.

So what did you buy into?

I mean its not EU currency that hit rock-bottom bro.

Even if I went with your suggestion that everyone is wrong.. guess what, no more investing in UK, because everyone includes investors.

[Lojik]

Dow dropped 500+ points the first day Obama was elected, 300+ the 2nd time he was elected. America is not noticeably worse off (unless you're a right wing crazy.) I wouldn't put too much stock in any of the short term dips.

Also, prognostication is not exactly a forte of economics. In the rare cases it can be useful, you need all of:

1) Similar situations from the past
2) Good data from said situations
3) Ability to isolate variables

There are way too many variables in this situation, and there are exactly zero situations where a country has voted to leave a union in the manner GB looks like they will, and if there are there isn't sufficient data from those occasions.

I believe this could go either way for them in the long run, but GB needs some good leadership to get through this (which isn't looking good at the moment.) Brexit isn't even binding so who knows if they even leave.

[derpcake]

I believe this could go either way for them in the long run

Yea, somehow it doesn't seem like they were doing that bad when still solid part of the EU, right though.

Guess we'll see the full impact the coming decade.

[derpcake]

One of a handful of stories coming out

You know pretty well that there are more stories stating the contrary.

Just as we both know my links won't get read so :)

[Izmael]

If I was Belgian I'd be more worried about half my own country Brexiting itself. :)

[derpcake]

I'm Flemish, so no, not really.

Could only encourage that, but its never going to happen.

If you want to discuss our political landscape, I suggest asking mods to open a sub-forum, no way that shit is going to be contained in anything less :)

[derpcake]

HSBC decided to relocate to Paris, that's the only one I read about. Probably a bad choice long term.

I'd consider it a poor strategy to announce this before making the necessary preparations.

"hay guys we firing 80% of you in 6 months", isn't really a great motivator.

Probably wrong there, what do I know :)

[Skew]

So what did you buy into?

I mean its not EU currency that hit rock-bottom bro.

Even if I went with your suggestion that everyone is wrong.. guess what, no more investing in UK, because everyone includes investors.

:rolleyes: Yes , this is an absolute end of times. No more "investing".
Look , you're new to finance , markets and economics , i can tell.
The best piece of advice i can give you is learn to think for yourself
Ignore "experts" , ignore mass media , ignore hedge fund managers. And yes , ignore me if you follow the path of self-learning.
Use your own powers of investigation , common sense and knowledge through historical understanding of monetary finance and draw your own conclusions , not those who wish to propaganda you. I have no skin in the game of fooling you - those quasi State institutions do.
But as you will.

[Izmael]

HSBC decided to relocate to Paris, that's the only one I read about. Probably a bad choice long term.

"HSBC would move up to 1,000 staff from London to Paris if the UK left the single market, following Britain's vote to leave the EU, the BBC understands.", quoting BBC.

"Up to 1000 jobs" could mean "25 jobs".

"If the UK left the single market" could mean "never" since the UK could negotiate something to remain in the single market while not being part of of the EU.

Basically the whole "omgz the banks are all going to France and the english will starve to death" bullshit was just that... bullshit.

[derpcake]

:rolleyes: Yes , this is an absolute end of times. No more "investing".
Look , you're new to finance , markets and economics , i can tell.
The best piece of advice i can give you is learn to think for yourself
Ignore "experts" , ignore mass media , ignore hedge fund managers. And yes , ignore me if you follow the path of self-learning.
Use your own powers of investigation , common sense and knowledge through historical understanding of monetary finance and draw your own conclusions , not those who wish to propaganda you. I have no skin in the game of fooling you - those quasi State institutions do.
But as you will.

Have you written a book on how to become a billionaire yet?

If I had 1 pound for every (poor) self-proclaimed finance specialist, I'd still be a lot less rich then I would have been last monday.

Hilarious.

[derpcake]

"HSBC would move up to 1,000 staff from London to Paris if the UK left the single market, following Britain's vote to leave the EU, the BBC understands.", quoting BBC.

"Up to 1000 jobs" could mean "25 jobs".

"If the UK left the single market" could mean "never" since the UK could negotiate something to remain in the single market while not being part of of the EU.

Basically the whole "omgz the banks are all going to France and the english will starve to death" bullshit was just that... bullshit.

yes, up to 1000 usually means 25

funny arguments

In theory, an independent Britain could negotiate a deal with the EU that grants British businesses the same kind of preferential access to the EU that they enjoy now. Indeed, Norway has just this kind of deal: It’s not a EU member, but the country has agreed to voluntarily abide by most EU rules, and in exchange it enjoys most of the economic privileges of EU membership.

One problem is that EU leaders may not be in a forgiving mood after a British vote to leave. Many European countries have domestic euroskeptical movements of their own, and European leaders are worried that a successful British exit could embolden them. So the EU may refuse to give the UK a favorable deal as a warning to other countries thinking about exiting the EU.

Another problem is that Britain may not want a Norway-style deal. To gain preferred access, Norway is required to adopt many EU regulations. A recent British government report found that "Norway has adopted three quarters of the EU’s rules and legislation."

So if the point of leaving the EU is to escape its burdensome regulations, it's not obvious that the Norwegian model will accomplish that. And while euroskeptics have complained that the EU is not sufficiently accountable to British voters, voters in Norway have no influence at all over EU laws that — in many cases — Norway’s legislature must approve without modification in order to gain access to the European common market.

To a large extent, then, unfettered access to European markets and diminished British sovereignty are a package deal. It's never going to be possible for the United Kingdom to retain full control over domestic regulation while enjoying access to EU markets on par with the access available to other EU member states.

[Skew]

Have you written a book on how to become a billionaire yet?

If I had 1 pound for every (poor) self-proclaimed finance specialist, I'd still be a lot less rich then I would have been last monday.

Hilarious.


Im sure you will become rich by listening to the likes of the IMF and the BBC ! :eek:

Keep up the Statist drivel. Oh you're Flemmish ?! lol that explains a lot. You lot couldnt get laid in a whore house with a free buffet of booze and coke. I mean , you guys are cucks , and ignorant incompetent ones of the highest order. I think Ukraine has more going for it than your shitty little corner of Europe.

[Blitzers]

:rolleyes: Yes , this is an absolute end of times. No more "investing".
Look , you're new to finance , markets and economics , i can tell.
The best piece of advice i can give you is learn to think for yourself
Ignore "experts" , ignore mass media , ignore hedge fund managers. And yes , ignore me if you follow the path of self-learning.
Use your own powers of investigation , common sense and knowledge through historical understanding of monetary finance and draw your own conclusions , not those who wish to propaganda you. I have no skin in the game of fooling you - those quasi State institutions do.
But as you will.

^^^ good advice, I also don't watch Fantasy Football shows the "Experts" know nothing.

A+++ the wisdom of Skew, I am serious, this is not sarcasm

[Izmael]

Im sure you will become rich by listening to the likes of the IMF and the BBC ! :eek:

Keep up the Statist drivel. Oh you're Flemmish ?! lol that explains a lot. You lot couldnt get laid in a whore house with a free buffet of booze and coke. I mean , you guys are cucks , and ignorant incompetent ones of the highest order. I think Ukraine has more going for it than your shitty little corner of Europe.

Kek, this escalated quickly.

[Blitzers]

DERPLORD, what benefit is derived from having the UK economy tied to failing nations like Greece, Italy, Spain? I just don't see how anyone would want to keep being the economic whipping boy for the Continental European slumlords.

[derpcake]

Im sure you will become rich by listening to the likes of the IMF and the BBC ! :eek:

Keep up the Statist drivel. Oh you're Flemmish ?! lol that explains a lot. You lot couldnt get laid in a whore house with a free buffet of booze and coke. I mean , you guys are cucks , and ignorant incompetent ones of the highest order. I think Ukraine has more going for it than your shitty little corner of Europe.

I'm sorry you got mad.

Good luck on the book sales.

[derpcake]

DERPLORD, what benefit is derived from having the UK economy tied to failing nations like Greece, Italy, Spain? I just don't see how anyone would want to keep being the economic whipping boy for the Continental European slumlords.

If you are Nissan or some other car producer with major production in the UK, today, the same safety standards and environmental standards allow you to sell everywhere in the European market,". But if the UK leaves the EU, "you would no longer be able to sell into other European markets, not because you face a small tariff, but because you'd have to go through another set of safety certifications. This kind of thing would be repeated in every industry you can think of.

[Izmael]

How do you keep a Belgian occupied for a view hours? Give him a note which says "see reverse side" on both sides.

J/K, all belgians I know are chill people and nothing beats belgian beer too.

[Skew]

self governance is bad , i should know , i'm Flemmish


When you are able to remove yourself from the yoke of unelected bureaucrats, people might care more about your opinion.
But by all means , keep telling Brits how not being a part of an unelected council that determines three-quarters of their laws , can supercede their own domestic justice system and has not signed off on its accounts for 21 years because it is bankrupt , is a bad thing.

[derpcake]

I never posted what you quoted.

Guess thats how you intend to win this argument?

Put your fingers in your ears and sing LALALA, its what all the big boys do.

I mean I already posted regarding your concerns a bit higher up this page, UK might end up like Norway, or worse.

To a large extent, then, unfettered access to European markets and diminished British sovereignty are a package deal. It's never going to be possible for the United Kingdom to retain full control over domestic regulation while enjoying access to EU markets on par with the access available to other EU member states.

On second thought, keep up the LALALA, I'm entertained.

[derpcake]

On another note:

"Mr Johnson said Britain would always be "part of Europe" and "there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market"."

I don't think he knew what "Brexit" really meant.

Its not even been a week and he's already regretting this, hoping he can hold on to what was a right in the past. He isn't even elected yet, even if he is, he will be a minor factor in the negociations, but he is already ensuring the pro-brexit voters of what will happen.

Thats funny stuff.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36637037

[Skew]

End up like Norway? Until recently , Norway was a very successful , homogeneous country. It relies heavily on the oil industry and as such its financial outlook has deteriorated somewhat. But oil prices are volatile (and over the long term WILL trend higher) Norway also has the ability to diversify its economy , with fishing and tech being obvious areas for an affluent and hard working culture to benefit from. It has a state oil fund to see it through periods of low growth and it also maintains control of its monetary system (much as the UK has done)
If Norway or the UK struggles in the future , it will absolutely not be because they are not apart of the single currency or EU. Any prolonged downturn in UK or Norway will be felt far more acutely in Continental Europe , because it would portend to a wider , global downturn.

Norway and hopefully the UK , are models to follow. Not the 50% youth unemployment rates seen throughout the PIGS. And you can soon add France to that acronym.
The EU is fucked without UK , not the other way around , and that is why there is so much gnashing of teeth from the eurocrats.

[derpcake]

End up like Norway? Until recently , Norway was a very successful , homogeneous country. It relies heavily on the oil industry and as such its financial outlook has deteriorated somewhat. But oil prices are volatile (and over the long term WILL trend higher) Norway also has the ability to diversify its economy , with fishing and tech being obvious areas for an affluent and hard working culture to benefit from. It has a state oil fund to see it through periods of low growth and it also maintains control of its monetary system (much as the UK has done)
If Norway or the UK struggles in the future , it will absolutely not be because they are not apart of the single currency or EU. Any prolonged downturn in UK or Norway will be felt far more acutely in Continental Europe , because it would portend to a wider , global downturn.

Norway and hopefully the UK , are models to follow. Not the 50% youth unemployment rates seen throughout the PIGS. And you can soon add France to that acronym.
The EU is fucked without UK , not the other way around , and that is why there is so much gnashing of teeth from the eurocrats.

Norway is a model to follow?

You understand they are part of the free trade zone, and in exchange have adapted 75% of the EU's laws?

They don't get to vote for EU at all though, since they are not a member.

This is the proposal the UK might come near though. So basically, lose all EU-related voting rights, retain the same trade agreements, and other then that nothing changes.

You should go a few pages back and read the shit I post, so you don't look uninformed over and over again.

Or ad hominem again, was pretty good try, you seem to have a talent for that.

For convenience:


In theory, an independent Britain could negotiate a deal with the EU that grants British businesses the same kind of preferential access to the EU that they enjoy now. Indeed, Norway has just this kind of deal: It’s not a EU member, but the country has agreed to voluntarily abide by most EU rules, and in exchange it enjoys most of the economic privileges of EU membership.

One problem is that EU leaders may not be in a forgiving mood after a British vote to leave. Many European countries have domestic euroskeptical movements of their own, and European leaders are worried that a successful British exit could embolden them. So the EU may refuse to give the UK a favorable deal as a warning to other countries thinking about exiting the EU.

Another problem is that Britain may not want a Norway-style deal. To gain preferred access, Norway is required to adopt many EU regulations. A recent British government report found that "Norway has adopted three quarters of the EU’s rules and legislation."

So if the point of leaving the EU is to escape its burdensome regulations, it's not obvious that the Norwegian model will accomplish that. And while euroskeptics have complained that the EU is not sufficiently accountable to British voters, voters in Norway have no influence at all over EU laws that — in many cases — Norway’s legislature must approve without modification in order to gain access to the European common market.

To a large extent, then, unfettered access to European markets and diminished British sovereignty are a package deal. It's never going to be possible for the United Kingdom to retain full control over domestic regulation while enjoying access to EU markets on par with the access available to other EU member states.

ps. I don't think this is bad for the EU, since as I posted many times, there will be new negociations. As I also posted, people such as Johnson are already ensuring the populace nothing will change economy-wise when it comes to the relations with Europe.

The UK isn't getting a free pass here, they'll be faced with far worse terms then they enjoyed before, and they'll have to take it, or leave it.

Guess how thats going to turn out?

With Johnsons statements in mind? (I'm trying to help you out here, really)

[sOurDieSel]

nothing beats belgian beer too.

Except just about every IPA ever made ever.

Europe has crap beer. They are about two decades behind the American beer game atleast.

[derpcake]

Picachu owns Charazad

[Izmael]

Norway has 4% unemployment and USD 100k GDP per capita.

What EU country wouldn't give a nut for these stats? Except maybe Luxembourg but that's irrelevant.

Anyway. Norway looks pretty happy outside of thet EU.

[Izmael]

Except just about every IPA ever made ever.

Europe has crap beer. They are about two decades behind the American beer game atleast.

Well I never had any "IPA" so I wouldn't know. Saying Europe has "crap" beer sounds a little funny. Europe has many thousands of different beers, there has to be something that you would like.

[Skew]

Norway is a model to follow?

You understand they are part of the free trade zone, and in exchange have adapted 75% of the EU's laws?

They don't get to vote for EU at all though, since they are not a member.

This is the proposal the UK might come near though. So basically, lose all EU-related voting rights, retain the same trade agreements, and other then that nothing changes.

You should go a few pages back and read the shit I post, so you don't look uninformed over and over again.

Or ad hominem again, was pretty good try, you seem to have a talent for that.

For convenience:


In theory, an independent Britain could negotiate a deal with the EU that grants British businesses the same kind of preferential access to the EU that they enjoy now. Indeed, Norway has just this kind of deal: It’s not a EU member, but the country has agreed to voluntarily abide by most EU rules, and in exchange it enjoys most of the economic privileges of EU membership.

One problem is that EU leaders may not be in a forgiving mood after a British vote to leave. Many European countries have domestic euroskeptical movements of their own, and European leaders are worried that a successful British exit could embolden them. So the EU may refuse to give the UK a favorable deal as a warning to other countries thinking about exiting the EU.

Another problem is that Britain may not want a Norway-style deal. To gain preferred access, Norway is required to adopt many EU regulations. A recent British government report found that "Norway has adopted three quarters of the EU’s rules and legislation."

So if the point of leaving the EU is to escape its burdensome regulations, it's not obvious that the Norwegian model will accomplish that. And while euroskeptics have complained that the EU is not sufficiently accountable to British voters, voters in Norway have no influence at all over EU laws that — in many cases — Norway’s legislature must approve without modification in order to gain access to the European common market.

To a large extent, then, unfettered access to European markets and diminished British sovereignty are a package deal. It's never going to be possible for the United Kingdom to retain full control over domestic regulation while enjoying access to EU markets on par with the access available to other EU member states.

ps. I don't think this is bad for the EU, since as I posted many times, there will be new negociations. As I also posted, people such as Johnson are already ensuring the populace nothing will change economy-wise when it comes to the relations with Europe.

The UK isn't getting a free pass here, they'll be faced with far worse terms then they enjoyed before, and they'll have to take it, or leave it.

Guess how thats going to turn out?

With Johnsons statements in mind? (I'm trying to help you out here, really)



The UK has been voted down every single time. It has NO voting rights in effect. In a 27 member council , when the majority TAKE , there is literally nothing to lose by leaving. What the UK stands to gain is obvious. Its a large enough economic power to enter into bilateral trade agreements as it sees fit. Norway was bullied into accepting certain terms but still benefits from its autonomy. Without it , the wealth transfer from Oslo to Brussels would have been at an even greater pace.
Stooges like Boris Johnson , who you quote , are just more of the status quo and will not enact Article 50 fast enough because they are mainstream politicians reliant on donors. If Boris doesnt listen to the will of the people , he too will find he is on the wrong side of history and be voted out - there is a middle class popular uprising occuring all through Europe and you seem unable to grasp that. The migration crisis just put it into hyperdrive.

UK voters have had no influence in Europe for decades. We are just a cash cow , a means of wealth distribution - that is all the EU is. A massive political union that needs OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to continue its influence in poorer states.
At the very least , the UK will get to properly control its own borders , spend less on propping up ineffectual welfare states in Europe AND take back overall control of its justice system - British Common Law.
The trade deals will simply come down to pragmatism.

[derpcake]

The UK has been voted down every single time.

And now you no longer have the chance to vote, but still your politicians expect the benefits from the EU.

I don't think this is a remotely likely scenario, but we can disagree on that.

At least you'll have 350 mil pounds a week to spend on the NHS right.

[Pokesan]

im gonna sell my product to 64 million people instead of 750 million because i don't want to make as many sales as possible

[derpcake]

from now on the UK goes back to its roots

producing rolls-royces

[Skew]

And now you no longer have the chance to vote, but still your politicians expect the benefits from the EU.

I don't think this is a remotely likely scenario, but we can disagree on that.

At least you'll have 350 mil pounds a week to spend on the NHS right.

Vote on what? Do you even know how the EU is structured? Do you really?
The idiots in charge of the UK from John Major through Tony Blair to David Cameron and their lackies never had any intention of upsetting the apple-cart : they never wanted to vote anything down in the first place - do you understand this??? It was a dog and pony show for the electorate back home. Even Thatcher pulled her punches.
This is a populist uprising - the entire referendum was engineered by 1 man , Nigel Farage , who for years and years and years railed against the unelected tyranny of the EU. Cameron never wanted this vote. He had to promise it so as to win UKIP voters over to the mainstream Conservative party otherwise we were heading for a hung parliament and probably a Labour-Lib coaltion which would have seen this country circle the pan faster than a blink of an eye.

The UK electorate had diddly squat influence in EU and dont care if that influence remains at less than diddly squat. Hello? Earth to derp. Come in please.

[derpcake]

If you had nothing to say in the past.. you'll end up paying more for nothing to say in the future.

Or you guys can roll with PhD. Pokesans proposal, of course.

You are entirely right about one thing. This was a populist uprising, engineered by the few, .. and supported by the uninformed.

Hence your ex-brexit proponents backpeddaling as they are. That bit is obvious to you, right?

[sOurDieSel]

Well I never had any "IPA" so I wouldn't know. Saying Europe has "crap" beer sounds a little funny. Europe has many thousands of different beers, there has to be something that you would like.

Ya'll ain't even heard of an IPA thats how far behind ya are. They might have many of thousands of beers but how many are good. Lets browse http://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/top/ and see how many are from Europe....

[Izmael]

Woah. Yeah I never had any of these. Don't think we can buy these in Europe haha.

My favourite is http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/470/2137/ which I drink pretty much every day.

[Skew]

If you had nothing to say in the past.. you'll end up paying more for nothing to say in the future.

Or you guys can roll with PhD. Pokesans proposal, of course.

You are entirely right about one thing. This was a populist uprising, engineered by the few, .. and supported by the uninformed.

Hence your ex-brexit proponents backpeddaling as they are. That bit is obvious to you, right?



Pokesan doesnt know his arse from his elbow , you at least have some experience within the EU but come from a very pro-wealth distributing , corporate facist way of thinking , it largely clouds your opinion on the matter. There is no denying , we are in uncharted waters. By we , i mean all of Europe. Theres little point continuing the debate though - the British people , myself included , are prepared to row hard. We happen to think we are rowing away from the sinking Titanic. You , believe otherwise. Time will tell (month and years , not days)

[derpcake]

U mean like Duvel?

Which Belgium started working on in 1967, while the concept made its way to the USA in the 1980s

Sure thing bro.

Oh wait, thats a "strong" pale ale

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/222/695/

meh, I don't do light stuff

[Blitzers]

If you are Nissan or some other car producer with major production in the UK, today, the same safety standards and environmental standards allow you to sell everywhere in the European market,". But if the UK leaves the EU, "you would no longer be able to sell into other European markets, not because you face a small tariff, but because you'd have to go through another set of safety certifications. This kind of thing would be repeated in every industry you can think of.

Kinda hard to sell cars when everyone is bankrupt.

Don't worry Zhe Germanz vil fixz it. All hail the 3rd Reich!

[derpcake]

Nah, other countries have been there pal.

Enjoy the LADA's.

[NegaStoat]

from now on the UK goes back to its roots

producing rolls-royces

Well... they would if they could....

https://www.borro.com/uk/borro-blog/british-car-brands-owners

Germany actually owns the key UK automotive companies that churns out the vastly largest percentage of cars in the nation. Rolls can still be built but the thing of it being a matter of domestic pride is long gone.

[Pokesan]

Pokesan doesnt know his arse from his elbow ,

you'd think someone with your investment expertise would be able to tell which number is larger

[derpcake]

Well... they would if they could....

https://www.borro.com/uk/borro-blog/british-car-brands-owners

Germany actually owns the key UK automotive companies that churns out the vastly largest percentage of cars in the nation. Rolls can still be built but the thing of it being a matter of domestic pride is long gone.

Jaguar it is then!

/sadface you linked them all, that could have carried this thread few pages! :)

[Blitzers]

Follow the Swiss, why do you think they unpegged the Franc from the Euro...

/raises hand

[khanable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbfqxUpJdF0

awe :3

[Izmael]

U mean like Duvel?

Which Belgium started working on in 1967, while the concept made its way to the USA in the 1980s

Sure thing bro.

Oh wait, thats a "strong" pale ale

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/222/695/

meh, I don't do light stuff

Duvel is light for you? I dunno, if I want a beer I usually expect something you can drink in large quantities.

Matter of personal taste obv.

[derpcake]

I mostly drink Duvel or a Trappist so I consider Duvel pretty light.

Ain't noone going to drink a 6 pack of those and end up fresh though, so I see your point.

The Abt 12 from Sint-Bernardus is very good, despite not being an official trappist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bernardus_Brewery

Highly recommend.

[Ahldagor]

https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=182QAwAAQBAJ&source=productsearch&utm_source=HA_Desktop_US&utm_medium=SEM&utm_campaign=PLA&pcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1&gl=US&gclid=CKGOm-z3yM0CFWhwMgodmb4N6w&gclsrc=ds

That's a great read on the development and brewing of IPA. Highly suggest Avery's White Rascal if you want to try a Belgian Wit. Also, barley wines are great if you have a movie line up. Just don't fall for an over 110 IBU's IPA because there's diminishing returns for alpha acid extraction from hops that caps at 110 IBU's while the wort is in the boil kettle.

[Izmael]

Guys just try a Leffe at about 8-10° centigrade in a cold Leffe glass (https://img.saveur-biere.com/img/p/)-12988-product_img_sb3.jpg) with a few very thin slices of Saucisson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saucisson) or Pata negra (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamón_ibérico) on the side if you can find... then come here and tell me if you don't think life is great.

[derpcake]

2nded

[derpcake]

Guess its only normal for the English to leave the EC asap after their Brexit.

[AzzarTheGod]

Guys just try a Leffe at about 8-10° centigrade in a cold Leffe glass (https://img.saveur-biere.com/img/p/)-12988-product_img_sb3.jpg) with a few very thin slices of Saucisson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saucisson) or Pata negra (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamón_ibérico) on the side if you can find... then come here and tell me if you don't think life is great.

You forget to mention unpasteurized cheese?

would be nice to have some normal cheese that isn't nuked to death to disgusting flavor in USA too bad its illegal although I continue to import it from France.

[AzzarTheGod]

Jaguar it is then!

/sadface you linked them all, that could have carried this thread few pages! :)

Wouldn't it be Jaguar anyway?

Let me know when you can get into a Rolls for less than 150k brand new? I won't pay any more than 130k for a car. I have been in the market and looked at pretty much everything except supercars which are out of what I'd consider normal price range.

If you retail higher than a stacked Porsche you better be a supercar...Rolls-Royce falls short of that, no idea what this is about? I guess its a "look at me I'm blue blood money car"


2016 Rolls-Royce Ghost
2 trims
$295,850 - $329,325 13/21 mpg

2016 Rolls-Royce Wraith

$304,350 13/21 mpg

2016 Rolls-Royce Phantom

$417,825 11/19 mpg

2016 Rolls-Royce Phantom Coupe

$492,000

[derpcake]

Rice Curry Chicken is more English then Jaguar these days bro.

[AzzarTheGod]

Rice Curry Chicken is more English then Jaguar these days bro.

That is good because the revival of Jaguar was a really bad idea. I checked out the new Jags 2-3 years ago and wasn't impressed compared to Audi's new offerings.

They should have done like GM Cadillac and killed all of their flagship offerings, replacing them with new stable affordable cheaper cars. If you are going to reinvent and try to revive a brand as Jaguar did a few years ago, follow the GM Cadillac playbook.

I guess Jaguar is a good tax writeoff for its parent company because they do nothing but lose.

Any car buffs know the last time Rolls-Royce made a model that didn't have the MRSP of a supercar?

1931?

[Jarnauga]

http://imgur.com/gallery/Tj9NR

[Pokesan]

in the immediate aftermath of the brexit vote england humiliates itself even further (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/27/england-vs-iceland-euro-2016-live/)

[Ahldagor]

Xenophobic isolationism is democratically approved economic policy. Hope the trade deals are worked out swiftly for the UK. Let's get back to beer. Gonna have to find a Leffe brew. That many centuries is a good marker for quality liquid. Now I'm wondering how many fermentation cycles they use their yeast for.

[Sidelle]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=218&pictureid=942

[big_ole_jpn]

if u havent yet noticed, tranime is a force for good

[mmmroo]

The banksters will get UK back in the EU by fucking there economy.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=218&pictureid=942

pras

unite the houses, return to greatness.

making America great 1 vote at a time.

[Jorgam]

If it's posted on the internet it must be true though right?

See how upset some of the posters here get about anecdotal and unbelievable instances of "racism" in the UK on twitter? Contrast that with how they reacted to the video I posted of that dumb bitch actually being racist at the Orlando vigil. Speaks volumes to their hypocrisy.

[maskedmelon]

in the immediate aftermath of the brexit vote england humiliates itself even further (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/27/england-vs-iceland-euro-2016-live/)

I've been tricked. I feel dirty now.

I was expecting something profound, but was presented with an article on poverty ball instead :/

[Jarnauga]

If it's posted on the internet it must be true though right?

Damn liberal media amirite ? Pretty sure twitter is owned by a jew, or facebook, they even wrote mein kampf where they said that they would blow up the towers..

You guys are pathetic.

I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. Johnson didn't think he'd actually win, the whole leave campaign was just his trampoline to get votes for PM position. Now that he won, he's scared shitless because he only has 2 solutions: either actually get all isolationist and fall down into recession for the decade to come. Or he'll be smart and actually keep on getting access to the EU market which means keep on abiding by EU regulations like free movement etc etc.. like norway or switzerland. Basically nothing would change except that you lose your voice at the EU parliement/council.

Either way you just got cucked by populist assholes that just wanted to get power. My bet is that in 20-30 years UK (or what's left of it, lol @ scotland independance + irish reunification that might start troubles with IRA) is gonna want to get back in and EU is gonna accept only if you get the whole thing: euro, schengen, etc, etc.

[Daywolf]

If it's posted on the internet it must be true though right?
"Not everything you read on the internet is true" --Winston Curchill

[maskedmelon]

Damn liberal media amirite ? Pretty sure twitter is owned by a jew, or facebook, they even wrote mein kampf where they said that they would blow up the towers..

You guys are pathetic.

I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen. Johnson didn't think he'd actually win, the whole leave campaign was just his trampoline to get votes for PM position. Now that he won, he's scared shitless because he only has 2 solutions: either actually get all isolationist and fall down into recession for the decade to come. Or he'll be smart and actually keep on getting access to the EU market which means keep on abiding by EU regulations like free movement etc etc.. like norway or switzerland. Basically nothing would change except that you lose your voice at the EU parliement/council.

Either way you just got cucked by populist assholes that just wanted to get power. My bet is that in 20-30 years UK (or what's left of it, lol @ scotland independance + irish reunification that might start troubles with IRA) is gonna want to get back in and EU is gonna accept only if you get the whole thing: euro, schengen, etc, etc.

Yeah, fuck all you Brits for not wanting to be subject to a growing tyranny and cultural suicide. Bend over and take it with the flagellates of the rest of Europe from their Deutsch cucklord. Show some solidarity!

[Pokesan]

If it's posted on the internet it must be true though right?

it's a false flag

[Jarnauga]

Yeah, fuck all you Brits for not wanting to be subject to a growing tyranny and cultural suicide. Bend over and take it with the flagellates of the rest of Europe from their Deutsch cucklord. Show some solidarity!

Tyranny from elected officials, yep. Guess what nobody put a gun on UK to join or to leave, they're free. I guess you're the type of guy who thinks Texas should get independant because obama is a tyrant. Can't wait to see your reaction when clinton gonna be president.

[maskedmelon]

Tyranny from elected officials, yep. Guess what nobody put a gun on UK to join or to leave, they're free. I guess you're the type of guy who thinks Texas should get independant because obama is a tyrant. Can't wait to see your reaction when clinton gonna be president.

You are right, I overlooked the inherent virtue of majority rule!

[Jarnauga]

You are right, I overlooked the inherent virtue of majority rule!

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

;)

[maskedmelon]

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

;)

Are you equally apathetic about its shortcomings when the democratic process institutes prohibitions on things like same-sex marriage or the denial of related services based thereupon?

[Jarnauga]

Are you equally apathetic about its shortcomings when the democratic process institutes prohibitions on things like same-sex marriage or the denial of related services based thereupon?

Democracy doesn't mean that everyone agrees. It's just the system that has less conflicts, because the majority (supposedly) agrees with the rulings.

That doesn't mean that the majority is always right. Best example being hitler election, or Trump popularity, or the sucess of justin bieber. Hell, you guys even reelected GW Bush after Irak.

Edit:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4463640/thumbs/o-PORNHUB-570.jpg

[Lojik]

Democracy doesn't mean that everyone agrees. It's just the system that has less conflicts, because the majority (supposedly) agrees with the rulings.

That doesn't mean that the majority is always right. Best example being hitler election, or Trump popularity, or the sucess of justin bieber. Hell, you guys even reelected GW Bush after Irak.

Edit:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4463640/thumbs/o-PORNHUB-570.jpg

Hitler election? Didn't have a majority

[maskedmelon]

Hitler election? Didn't have a majority

It doesn't matter. Hitler is always relevant in debate. He's like the Old Maid, if someone stuffs him in your deck of cards you lose :(

[Jarnauga]

Hitler election? Didn't have a majority

Just read wikipedia, you're right.. the more you know

[Spyder73]

Blindly voted Bush Towers because Bush Towers is always the correct answer

[Jarnauga]

From an outsider's perspective I failed to see how Bush got a 2nd term.

The same way Trump and hillary are the best to come out for presidents of the 1st world power..?

[Pokesan]

Bush had the less hateable face and I don't regret voting for him

[maskedmelon]

Bush had the less hateable face and I don't regret voting for him

^^ This. Also, the general population was too busy fighting about the sanctity of marriage and infanticide to worry about stupid shit like war in foreign lands.

[Topdog]

hope sweden exists eu as well, it's been a piece of shit agreement where shit countries like sweden has gotten the worst of the immigration due to garbage politicans and cuck'd journalists painting a "pretty picture" about immigrants, we literally have "no go zones" inside sweden now where ambulances and fire personel cannot enter without armored vehicles.. it's like a warzone.

Is it the immigrants fault? Well not nesscerarly, it's more or less the politicians once again who paint the picture of sweden being an amazing country with endless wealth, jobs and residencies which all of them are untrue. Immigrants get tricked to come here and then they realize there's nothing here for them so they turn criminal. Sweden's rulers should honestly be hanged at this point, they are so bad at this shit it's painful... imagine me every year when i have to pay taxes knowing they are spending 30 million on building mosques so they can practice the same dumb funded belief that essentially has them still in the stone age when it comes to womens rights etc, laughable at best.

swexit.

[khanable]

Is it really that bad in Sweden?

[Ragnaros]

hope sweden exists eu as well, it's been a piece of shit agreement where shit countries like sweden has gotten the worst of the immigration due to garbage politicans and cuck'd journalists painting a "pretty picture" about immigrants, we literally have "no go zones" inside sweden now where ambulances and fire personel cannot enter without armored vehicles.. it's like a warzone.

Is it the immigrants fault? Well not nesscerarly, it's more or less the politicians once again who paint the picture of sweden being an amazing country with endless wealth, jobs and residencies which all of them are untrue. Immigrants get tricked to come here and then they realize there's nothing here for them so they turn criminal. Sweden's rulers should honestly be hanged at this point, they are so bad at this shit it's painful... imagine me every year when i have to pay taxes knowing they are spending 30 million on building mosques so they can practice the same dumb funded belief that essentially has them still in the stone age when it comes to womens rights etc, laughable at best.

swexit.
hehehehe

[Jarnauga]

https://youtu.be/u-tTHmrsXB8

[Bisonzabi]

They left just in the nick of time.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

"Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels. Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info."

[maskedmelon]

They left just in the nick of time.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

It's a good thing only good men govern in Europe.

[Topdog]

https://youtu.be/u-tTHmrsXB8

fitting that this was produced early 2015 and november 2015 in paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

Is it really that bad in Sweden?

not in the good areas, but it's not getting any better, and our social care, elderly care and hospital care is noticable worse then 15 years ago, we had the top of the line back then, it's been cut down and abused to shit, tax payer money goes elsewhere like burka research, feminism and housing & food for 160 000 immigrants out of 500 got a low paying job last year

[derpcake]

hope sweden exists eu as well, it's been a piece of shit agreement where shit countries like sweden has gotten the worst of the immigration due to garbage politicans and cuck'd journalists painting a "pretty picture" about immigrants, we literally have "no go zones" inside sweden now where ambulances and fire personel cannot enter without armored vehicles.. it's like a warzone.

Is it the immigrants fault? Well not nesscerarly, it's more or less the politicians once again who paint the picture of sweden being an amazing country with endless wealth, jobs and residencies which all of them are untrue. Immigrants get tricked to come here and then they realize there's nothing here for them so they turn criminal. Sweden's rulers should honestly be hanged at this point, they are so bad at this shit it's painful... imagine me every year when i have to pay taxes knowing they are spending 30 million on building mosques so they can practice the same dumb funded belief that essentially has them still in the stone age when it comes to womens rights etc, laughable at best.

swexit.

I'm from Belgium, so I share your perspective.

It wouldn't be hard to seperate the immigrants, ensuring there aren't to many in the same region.. except of course thats considered racism.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.576/former-swedish-pm-sweden-belongs-to-the-immigrants-not-the-swedes.html

What the fuck though? If a Belgian politician claimed such a thing, he'd be done.

A Swexit would not replace your politicians, so it wouldn't help jack doodle. Might as well blame Obama.

Swedish Spring could help, but lets face it, you all have it way to good to start an actual revolt. Same shit here, people complain to each other etc, but noone is taking it to the streets, so its all futile bullshit.

Its fucking hilarious to welcome Muslims, and then some gay fugitives, house them in the same social project, and expect things to run well. Lets house some Turks and Armenians in the same street, what could go wrong?

kek

[Jarnauga]

fitting that this was produced early 2015 and november 2015 in paris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks


Produced early 2015 after charlie hebdo attacks, so i fail to see your point.

I'm sure that US had their bad neighbourhoods too, and i'm sure most of the people living there are black christians.

[Jarnauga]

I don't get how you guys can accept that the westboro baptist church guys are not representative of anything beside themselves, or can accept that muhamad ali was a great guy, but can't allow that same individuality to muslims. Or to blacks. Or mexicans. Or jews.

I'm white raised in a christian culture. That doesn't make me wanna bomb abortion clinics and burn gays at the stake, or stone women who sleep with their lover instead oftheir husband.

[Pokesan]

I don't get how you guys can accept that the westboro baptist church guys are not representative of anything beside themselves, or can accept that muhamad ali was a great guy, but can't allow that same individuality to muslims. Or to blacks. Or mexicans. Or jews.

I'm white raised in a christian culture. That doesn't make me wanna bomb abortion clinics and burn gays at the stake, or stone women who sleep with their lover instead oftheir husband.

false equivalency. you can make a better argument than this.

[derpcake]

Muslims don't want tolerance (for gays, sex outside of marriage, etc... but they do EXPECT to be accommodated when it comes to having mosques built near where they live.

that's a shitty generalization, its also racist

fuck you

[Raev]

If you are a supporter of Democracy, how can you like the EU? Its bureaucrats are not elected, and the institution is founded by a man who was horrified that the Germans had elected Adolf Hitler (majority or no) and was convinced that the masses could not be allowed to control their own destiny.

[derpcake]

http://i.imgur.com/yU5jA82.gif

withdrawal sucks

[derpcake]

no it isn't, and muslims aren't a race.

Jews isn't a nationality either, I'm pretty sure anti-antisemitism is punishable by law.

[maskedmelon]

I'm pretty sure anti-antisemitism is punishable by law.

It may well be that your country is so full of hate and lunacy that expression must be criminalized, but not every nation suffers the same madness.

[Pokesan]

Jews isn't a nationality either

Israel is a Jewish state.

[Redi]

Swishandris, did you vote leave or stay m8?

[derpcake]

Hope France or Holland do the right thing.

Leave the "EU" to the shit can countries like Romania/Bulgaria and anywhere else they choose to expand.

Do you read foreign papers?

Since you so apt at judging foreigners, I am sure you have done your research.

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/37422/Brexit/article/detail/2775696/2016/06/28/Europa-wil-duidelijkheid-Dit-is-Facebook-niet-onze-relatie-kan-niet-ingewikkeld-zijn.dhtml

The title of that article is: "Europe wants clarity, this isn't facebook, our relation can't be complicated"

You'll see Hollande pushing for a swift Brexit deal.

When it comes to the Netherlands, the only party pro-Brexit is the PVV, and their leader (Geert Wilders) is a known racist, also their party lost one of their major players since he was screwing Moroccan boys while claiming all Muslims are evil.

Funny shit, you seem well informed.

[derpcake]

Israel is a Jewish state.

Turkey is a Muslim state, yet I don't see you referring to all Muslims as Turks.

[derpcake]

Fine, but that doesn't make me a racist.

Oh no, discriminating people based on religion is far better then discriminating them based on nationality, right?

Either way, you are an uninformed xenophobe :)

[derpcake]

Where in the UK do you live Swish?

Looking forward to looking up average education levels and comparing them against Londons.

[Pokesan]

Turkey is a Muslim state, yet I don't see you referring to all Muslims as Turks.

is it racist to assume a turk is a muslim?

[Jarnauga]

If you are a supporter of Democracy, how can you like the EU? Its bureaucrats are not elected, and the institution is founded by a man who was horrified that the Germans had elected Adolf Hitler (majority or no) and was convinced that the masses could not be allowed to control their own destiny.

you understand that european parliament is democratically elected, right ?

there's a lot of stuff that is wrong about EU, im the first to whine about it. But its existence is definitely not.

[derpcake]

You're not very good at playing the race card.

please elaborate

[derpcake]

is it racist to assume a turk is a muslim?

no, its stupid

[derpcake]

Near London, know plenty of Londoners, ex-gf was Hungarian... no problem with other countries/cultures, still plan to travel and see more of Europe. Didn't vote out based on uncontrolled immigration but it was a factor.

What are you going to cook up for the next comment?

Nothing really, given that the UK is going to face the consequences of organizing a referendum which allowed people with a lack of education to decide a matter of national importance.

Every country has more dumb people then smart ones, and letting vox populi make such calls is a path to destruction :)

Just like Trump would get JFK'd, should he ever get elected, but I guess the American voting system has it covered, its not a flat referendum.

[Pokesan]

is it racist to assume a turk is a muslim?

no, its stupid

http://i.imgur.com/7H3UpwB.png

no, its stupid

[derpcake]

Muslims I'm not keen on, because they use their religion as a weapon when it isn't necessary and they make demands for themselves... like the London Mayor decides he doesn't want models showing skin on London advertising posters. Sorry why not? London is one of the fashion capitals of the western world. Again we bend over for a religious minority and that shouldn't be happening.

Again, you say "Muslims", and that includes all of them, aka sweeping generalization.

Maybe read on Muslim society in India, and see why there is no allahu akhbar in India, despite there being far more Muslims then in the UK.

Wasn't the mayor of London elected democratically btw?

[Redi]

Leave, as did most of the people I know.

The only ones that didn't have a leave majority were London (fears of racism), Scotland (fears of a worsening job situation up there) and Northern Ireland (ties with the Republic of Ireland and the Euro).

London has all the elites, youth.and educated people right? So, you voted leave with the rest of the farmers?

Britain can't figure out wtf they want to do, first split off scots, then split off eu.

[derpcake]

So I'm not uneducated, what else you got on me?

I'm sorry your education doesn't prevent you from posting retarded shit like "all Muslims are bad"

Please continue to be mad at the mayor of London though.

[Lune]

there is no allahu akhbar in India, despite there being far more Muslims then in the UK.

There is a ton of allahu akbar in India.

Between 2005 and 2009, 130 died and 2,200 were injured in religious violence due to Islam's universal inability to coexist harmoniously with other cultures.

[derpcake]

http://i.imgur.com/7H3UpwB.png


Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 2009–2010 2, 3

More than 2 in 3 adults are considered to be overweight or obese.

Pokesan is either fat or obese if living in the USA :(

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx

[maskedmelon]

I'm sorry your education doesn't prevent you from posting retarded shit like "all Muslims are bad"

Please continue to be mad at the mayor of London though.

He didn't post that. Your inability to reason logically led you to that conclusion.

[maskedmelon]

Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 2009–2010 2, 3

More than 2 in 3 adults are considered to be overweight or obese.

Pokesan is either fat or obese if living in the USA :(

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx

Lol, you really don't understand, do you? I'm sorry

[Jarnauga]

the London Mayor decides he doesn't want models showing skin on London advertising posters.

a guy doesnt want photoshopped photos on advertising, and in your mind it became "doesnt show skin"

wtf is wrong with you ..?

[derpcake]

Muslims I'm not keen on, because they use their religion as a weapon when it isn't necessary and they make demands for themselves...

He didn't post that. Your inability to reason logically led you to that conclusion.

No, he sure didn't post all Muslims are abusing their religion etc.

It must be me.

[Redi]

Rest or the world should look to America as proof that Religion and Politics should be seperated.

Love being American.

[maskedmelon]

No, he sure didn't post all Muslims are abusing their religion etc.

It must be me.

He didn't. It is. Read what you quoted and tell me where he posted all cmu slims are doing anything.

[derpcake]

Well who can blame muslims for wanting people in a position of power in a country where they're a minority? I see the agenda, I just don't agree with it.


So the London mayor was elected by Muslims?

Shall I look up the % of Muslims in London, or will you?

Afaik its not near a majority, I could be wrong, you the expert here.

[derpcake]

He didn't. It is. Read what you quoted and tell me where he posted all cmu slims are doing anything.

He posted he isn't keen on Muslims because they use "religion as a weapon".

Maybe you read it differently though. English is my 3rd language, so in case that isn't calling all Muslims bad, in a generalization, please explain.

Thanks in advance.

[derpcake]

Perhaps it's our leaders that are worse. But the more they're seen to be cowering and giving into these demands, the more it plays into the hands of the Right, and that's not good.

Perhaps its you, not being able to accept that the London mayor was elected democratically, not by a majority of Muslims, but by the (on average) most educated people your country has.

I think you'd fit in well in Texas :)