Invest in CoS or OVP ?

[Coverdale]

I have 10k to spare, should I invest in a Circlet of Shadow or in an Ornate Velium Pendant?

Which is more likely to raise in price and when and why?

CoS game changing for Necro and SK at any level BUT OVP is very useful for almost every class that has to get past SG on a regular basis.

Discuss.

[Blitzers]

Neither both have been over camped and there's more COS' and OVP's then characters created. My 2 cents, do what you like tho.

[Blitzers]

I have 10k to spare, should I invest in a Circlet of Shadow or in an Ornate Velium Pendant?

Which is more likely to raise in price and when and why?

CoS game changing for Necro and SK at any level BUT OVP is very useful for almost every class that has to get past SG on a regular basis.

Discuss.

Invest in Tink bags they never lose their value and sell to merchants for 4700 plat. It's a good way to bank plat and actually get a use out of it.

[Izmael]

CoS imo.

Or maybe OVP.

[Thulack]

Neither both have been over camped and there's more COS' and OVP's then characters created. My 2 cents, do what you like tho.

[Ele]

are you actually going to use either of them?

[Lobus]

you could give it to me and I'll pay you back when you need it with a 1% annual interest rate, deal?

[Tasslehofp99]

I'd probably wager there are more CoS than OVP.

[Blitzers]

I'd probably wager there are more CoS than OVP.

This is true

[Bristlebaner]

CoS is game changer. Nuff said.

[NextGenesis88]

Love my CoS. I think I got it for 3k before Velious. I just came back and totally forgot about the nerf and was surprised to see one for 8k. Either way, I wouldn't sell it. Made my SK a boss. I then saw the new one for like 700pp and then totally remembered that the nerfed version was here.

[Nuggie]

Cos is good for every day moving around, breaking charmed pets, etc. Ovp is good for some more advanced pulling techniques in places you haven't jacked your threateningly faction up yet.

There is going to be far less Ovp than CoS. Every class could solo the goblin bodyguard for years. Not every class could solo the councilors for the 6 months(way too long) or whatever it was before they got nerfed out.

Edit- better to sink your plat in to holgresh beads if you want return on investment

[Bionic]

OVP simply because of the lower supply of them on the server and the helpfulness they provide to the majority of classes in raising Velious factions as well as traveling through places like SG unbothered (assuming you've never hunted there).

CoS are more prevalent across the server and only serve 2 classes.

[Spyder73]

Edit- better to sink your plat in to holgresh beads if you want return on investment

Holgresh Bead market is going to crash IMO - the item honestly isn't that great for any class besides monks, and I can think of only a few places where its actually useful, Halls of testing being the stand out

[Bionic]

Holgresh Bead market is going to crash IMO - the item honestly isn't that great for any class besides monks, and I can think of only a few places where its actually useful, Halls of testing being the stand out

They are good for SKs and Necros who are both able to lifetap the eye. Great for a reduction to recovery time.

Since they were farmed 24/7 due to our knowing the nerf was coming, I do agree the market will eventually crash for them.

[Spyder73]

They are good for SKs and Necros who are both able to lifetap the eye. Great for a reduction to recovery time.

Since they were farmed 24/7 due to our knowing the nerf was coming, I do agree the market will eventually crash for them.

I am under the belief that you have never actually used Holgresh Beads on a SK or Necro if you are honestly saying they are good for this class...1) Giant pain in the ass casting and targeting the eye 2) you can not cast the eye with any form of pet up, skeleton, charm, or otherwise 3) It does not increase recovery time in any measurable way since all you need to do is lich to full mana and vex/bond a mob...the eye is completely unnecessary.

the ONLY use for Holgresh beads are for monk pulling...Paired with Feign death its not that bad...Necro FD would be super sketchy to use and it would not be "if" you died, but "when". If you are on a raid and need an eye, ask any bard to click their 1k helmet that is a common drop.

Or, carry 2pp stalking probes for the 4-5 times per year where a necro/SK might actually utilize an eye for tapping purposes.

EDIT: I can see an VERY outside use for the eye when solo charming as a necro and things get sideways and you need life after you kill pet, but even then, Stalking Probes...But I have Iskar regen and Z heart, so F Holgresh Beads

[Izmael]

Um... no.

Eye is very useful for necromancers when they need to recover from a tough fight, a res, or any situation that leaves them with low hp and/or low mana. It simply reduces the downtime in these situations.

In some situations you'll be able to beat the respawns (or meat some other deadline) thanks to the eye.

Also, you can use the eye to aggro, mana-free, a bunch of mobs you don't have LoS to, and have extensive time to root / FD etc.

[Spyder73]

Um... no.
You make no valid points in your argument

Eye is very useful for necromancers when they need to recover from a tough fight, a res, or any situation that leaves them with low hp and/or low mana. It simply reduces the downtime in these situations.
You cant cast it with any type of pet up, so please tell me how this helps a necro. How often do you not have a pet up while hunting? The proper answer is "never", unless you just killed a charm pet, in which case you could have just life taped the pet to kill him. The "raid recovery" function of the eye is minimal. Source: have raided with the beads on my necromancer

In some situations you'll be able to beat the respawns (or meat some other deadline) thanks to the eye.
How on earth does the eye help you beat a respawn? This makes no sense and the necro skeleton is superior to the eye in every conceivable way besides mana (which is almost a non factor to necro due to Lich)

Also, you can use the eye to aggro, mana-free, a bunch of mobs you don't have LoS to, and have extensive time to root / FD etc.
or you can send in and sacrifice a level 5 pet that is 1000x more powerful, controllable, and less of a pain in the ass than the 5 HP eye that disappears after 20 seconds.

You can not have the eye and a pet up at the same time - this is the ciritical flaw in the Elder Beads from a necro perspective. The eye becomes your pet, and it is the worst pet possible in any situation.

[Ravager]

Here's a crazy idea: if you don't like it, don't buy it!

[Spyder73]

Here's a crazy idea: if you don't like it, don't buy it!

I had 2!!! Sold one for 100k to buy Z heart and the other is on my monk where it belongs.

The one off the necro is the one I sold, I used maybe once the entire time leveling up. The one on the monk I pull HoT with and....nothing else.

[Izmael]

When you charm solo, you quite often don't have a pet up. Maybe it just died, or you "freed" it for some reason, for example to save it to break repops, or to let it regen and reuse, or because you need to invis to some other location. Or maybe you have 3 living mobs rooted and dotted and no undead in sight, so you have nothing to charm atm. Literally a ton of reasons why you would not have a charmed pet at some point.

Making a level 5 suicide pet 1) costs mana 2) costs bone chips 3) costs a spell slot and time switching spells (you don't exactly have unused spell slots when soloing, especially charm soloing). Eye has none of these issues.

Also you can't control a summoned skeleton pet as well as the eye (which you control like you would control yourself pretty much - open doors, swim, etc). Your level 5 summoned pet will need a target or at least a nearby mob's name to attack it. An eye doesn't need a target.

Uh.. let me see which of your points are still left undebunked.

Oh yeah, raid recovery. Eye is very handy to recover from a wipe, as a necro you get mana faster and are able to twitch people sooner. Your raid's overall recovery time is shorter.

<3

[Izmael]

Now don't get me wrong, a necro can very well get around without an eye. The eye is just a bonus in some situations, that's all.

[Spyder73]

I think Izmael is sitting on a cache of Holgresh Elder Beads and trying to perpetuating the idea that they are not almost completely worthless. Sorry to bust your game up bruh

[Pretzel]

Shissar Seance Staff (http://wiki.project1999.com/Shissar_Seance_Staff) + Holgresh Elder Beads (http://wiki.project1999.com/Holgresh_Elder_Beads) are godly when soloing, at 60 many mobs destroy a pet but when im low on health or mana and not in the middle of a fight it lets me leave Demi Lich up always.

[4WOFURY]

As a necromancer, I've used eyes for some pretty interesting pulls. Could a monk have done them? Sure, but the monk couldn't have soloed the mob/mobs afterwards. Combined with Demi Lich, a VP staff, and the plethora of spells available to a necro, I've enjoyed some niche uses. Not to mention it's nice to have something to hammer off of, especially as a squishy caster.

Am I going to be the primary puller for a raid with or without beads? No, but it opens up some interesting things I can do solo or in groups.
Will I be more versatile and adaptable to different scenarios than without an unlimited amount of eye clicks available? Absolutely.

Monks will ultimately get a lot more use out of the eyes than I will, but that doesn't mean they're useless.. Unless you're just unimaginative.

[Faywind]

Beads are very circumstantial as shown in all these posts. You can just buy stalking probes for these rare situations when they are actually useful. I sold mine on my necro as well because I rarely used it.

The only valid argument is using it with the lifetap staff from VP but good luck getting one of those.

[Nuggie]

.. Unless you're just unimaginative.

This.

[Izmael]

The only valid argument is using it with the lifetap staff from VP but good luck getting one of those.

The staff is great for it, but if you don't have it, you can Bond of Death (or similar) the eye for very good results as well. The spell recourse will stay on you after the eye is dead.

[Zekayy]

I agree to a certain extent that the beads are good for necros there are times when its not good esp in raids lots of people dont like the necros using the eyes because it draws aggro to the clerics and necros which is not good. but however I love how you can hammer off the eye and lifetap it.

[Zekayy]

Theres been other times where the necro was too close to the wall and the eye went through the wall and pulled aggro that way so its good and bad.