Nice France terrorist attack

[DoucLangur]

Nobody that's spent more than a single day reading the Quran

Which you, of course, have done, right?

Sorry, but I'd rather live in any real Islamic country of today, than in a country full of people like you. If there was a place to extradite you to, I would take in 10 refugees for every one of you that I can get rid of.

And I am an atheist and work in science.

[khanable]

R Flair with a devastating trigger

[R Flair]

Which you, of course, have done, right?

Sorry, but I'd rather live in any real Islamic country of today, than in a country full of people like you. If there was a place to extradite you to, I would take in 10 refugees for every one of you that I can get rid of.

And I am an atheist and work in science.

Your opinion of me and the facts I brought don't seem at all rational or scientific.

Gonna guess you work reception at an abortion clinic. Second guess is the mail room.

[fash]

Sorry, but I'd rather live in any real Islamic country of today, than in a country full of people like you. If there was a place to extradite you to, I would take in 10 refugees for every one of you that I can get rid of.

And I am an atheist and work in science.

Works in science, yet using the No True Scotsman fallacy to defend the religion of peace.

[Ahldagor]

Works in science, yet using the No True Scotsman fallacy to defend the religion of peace.

Science and rhetoric are diffirent things.

[Lune]

And I am an atheist

You know you'd be executed in many Islamic countries, right apostate?

[big_ole_jpn]

How is marijuana regarded under Sharia?? they realize God made it right?

[Nihilist_santa]

How is marijuana regarded under Sharia?? they realize God made it right?

In some areas of India I have heard of a marijuana drink called Bhang that is popular with Hindus and Mudslimes.

[AzzarTheGod]

Nobody that's spent more than a single day reading the Quran could possibly come to the conclusion that Islam is a religion of peace. NOBODY.

Thats the problem though, no one actually takes the time to read anything and formulate their own opinion. As such, they're susceptible to lies like "true muslims" are peaceful. Back in reality, according to the Quran in no uncertain terms, any muslim unwilling to execute violence on Jews and Christians ("The people of the Book") are apostates worthy of death.

When I got to the part of the Quran where it goes into qualifiers of who should be left alone...

don't have the passage, but it went word-for-word like this (I will never forget these words)

*insert random lifestyle qualifier*, "And so we let him live... away from us....for awhile."

You can't tell me that isn't creepy. Its talking about allowing someone to live a few more days/months/weeks of arbitrary time because Allah was pleased by how the infidel did something to appease him.

I know you are supposed to study Arabic and learn Arabic because the language doesn't translate exactly (known as Accurate Arabic among some scholars of the Quran and Imams).

But damn. That's creepy to someone from a Western background reading it in its English translation...

[Saludeen]

I reject sharia law. And cannabis isn't toxic.

[Saludeen]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful.

8:12 Your Lord inspired to the angels: "I am with you so keep firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have rejected; so strike above the necks, and strike from them every one standing."


8:13 That is because they have transgressed against God and His messenger. And whoever transgresses against God and His messenger, then God is severe in retribution.

[Pokesan]

8:13 That is because they have transgressed against God and His messenger. And whoever transgresses against God and His messenger, then God is severe in retribution.

have you ever wondered why Allah has such poor grammar?

[maskedmelon]

have you ever wondered why Allah has such poor grammar?

lmao

[Daywolf]

8:13 That is because they have transgressed against God and His messenger. And whoever transgresses against God and His messenger, then God is severe in retribution.

have you ever wondered why Allah has such poor grammar?
@Sal
Well, imo, not just that, but as far as these english translations, where the usage of "God" is often used, it should really be "Allah" by it's context. Just in that it's probably a reason to wage jehawd over let alone an infidel that rejects sharia law, for instance.

Sharia law is visible, but like I posted on female mutilation in this thread, the not so visible, what's the difference?? I mean in countries without this sharia law, it can be ~90% of women are subject to barbaric mutilation for no good purpose. It's commendable you recognize sharia law as being rejectable, though doesn't mean it won't sweep the world after being desensitized to barbaric practices already in place.

Yeah, and I already know the comment will fly back that 'Allah means God', but no it doesn't. If it were, then the often used testimonial of faith phrase "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the prophet" (Shahada prayer) would be acceptable to say God is God, but that is rejected by the vast majority of muslims as not being proper, even an insult to some/many. While that's not even correct, it's "Llah", the "A" means "the". It's used as a proper name, just like my surname in a foreign language to english starts with "The", as many names do.

No, Thegod is a proper name used in Muhammad's time, and very much so predating Islam, under the pagan moon-god worship. It was adapted to this new religion to become Islam, which is a rehash of the old moon-god deity, sort of like evolutionized.

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god. In-depth report (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm).

It's not just the tradition books as being fabricated as you elude to, it goes much deeper than that. The entirety of the Islamic faith simply put is a forgery of the very popular ancient pagan moon-god cult, re-adapted to be in conflict with other established religions, and resulting in a never-ending conflict, even internally. And I'm not writing this to smear you, don't take it as a personal attack, it's just to inform you.

[Saludeen]

have you ever wondered why Allah has such poor grammar?

No because its a translation. Ignorance wont help you.

[Pokesan]

No because its a translation. Ignorance wont help you.

um thats haram

u aint sposed to translate it out of ar*bic my *****

[AzzarTheGod]

"For awhile...." is a statement right from the Quran involving any act of mercy given/granted to an infidel.

It says you will leave him alone for an unspecified amount of time. Its built in language that can be radically interpreted in so many ways.

Very dangerous religion in the wrong hands as any Imam can abuse its power.

Its not like Christianity where it states that EVERYTHING that gives ANY pleasure AT ALL is evil and you should cut yourself and cry in isolation and pray you don't do anything wrong

Catholicism is FUCKED UP in its own way, as it causes murder in the same way as Islamic radicalism can cause murder.

Catholicism is murder of the spirit, mind and body-- regardless of interpretation.

Islam is murder of the physical when interpreted radically.


Gee I wish one of these is worse and in need of reform? (Both) But Islam even more so. I speak against Zion but ultimately as far as the modern gods go, Judaism has it right.

[R Flair]

Its not like Christianity where it states that EVERYTHING that gives ANY pleasure AT ALL is evil and you should cut yourself and cry in isolation and pray you don't do anything wrong

Catholicism is FUCKED UP in its own way, as it causes murder in the same way as Islamic radicalism can cause murder.

Catholicism is murder of the spirit, mind and body-- regardless of interpretation.

Islam is murder of the physical when interpreted radically.


Gee I wish one of these is worse and in need of reform? (Both) But Islam even more so. I speak against Zion but ultimately as far as the modern gods go, Judaism has it right.
Where "Christianity states..."

Some pretty heavy substituting of Catholicism for Christianity. Biblical Christianity endorses pleasure of all kinds. Food, drink, sex (with your wife), profit etc depending on your intent, who its with and what point of time you are living.

That whole whipping and cutting yourself is an entirely Baalite/Pagan (ie. Catholic) tradition.

[Daywolf]

[size=3]Gee I wish one of these is worse and in need of reform?
Ohh you grew up in catholic school and were just left bitter for whatever reason, my friend. Christians are definitely not taught to cut themselves and catholics abandoned the crusades long ago and reformed. Islam just needs a reformation like the major religions had, as the few reformers of Islam are attempting - though few and far between. But as it's an ideology, I don't think it's going to happen, realistically, just as it hasn't since it's conception.

I do have issues with your current pope hat though ... odd sort of fellow saying some pretty uncatholic things. But, may he have long life.

[AzzarTheGod]

Biblical Christianity endorses pleasure of all kinds. Food, drink, sex (with your wife), profit etc depending on your intent, who its with and what point of time you are living.

That whole whipping and cutting yourself is an entirely Baalite/Pagan (ie. Catholic) tradition.

Catholicism is the dominant form of Christianity, which makes it Christianity.

How many millions (billions) of people do you have in your denomination?

[Daywolf]

Catholicism is the dominant form of Christianity, which makes it Christianity.

How many millions (billions) of people do you have in your denomination?
You mean South America (and Mexico)? The bulk of Catholics are South American, I didn't know it was a democracy where everybody does what the South Americans do, which is cut themselves? Only certain sects of Catholics I know of that do or have done that, I think mostly in Europe, though not sure on those stats.
1.2b Catholics
800m Protestants
300m Eastern Orthodox
100m Angelicans

[R Flair]

Catholicism is the dominant form of Christianity, which makes it Christianity.

How many millions (billions) of people do you have in your denomination?

Substituting Christian for Catholic is like substituting God for Allah. Its wrong no matter how many people and authors have perpetrated that lie.

[maskedmelon]

Gee I wish one of these is worse and in need of reform? (Both) But Islam even more so. I speak against Zion but ultimately as far as the modern gods go, Judaism has it right.[/size]

Solid conclusion.

I highly recommend the Dictionary of the Khazars for those seeking a deeper understanding Abrahamic faiths. It really helped refine my world view.

[Saludeen]

Substituting Christian for Catholic is like substituting God for Allah. Its wrong no matter how many people and authors have perpetrated that lie.

Arabic bibles use Allah ( الله ) for God.
فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالارْضَ
Genesis 1: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

And from the Qur'an:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

[Saludeen]

"For awhile...." is a statement right from the Quran involving any act of mercy given/granted to an infidel.

It says you will leave him alone for an unspecified amount of time. Its built in language that can be radically interpreted in so many ways.

Very dangerous religion in the wrong hands as any Imam can abuse its power.

Its not like Christianity where it states that EVERYTHING that gives ANY pleasure AT ALL is evil and you should cut yourself and cry in isolation and pray you don't do anything wrong

Catholicism is FUCKED UP in its own way, as it causes murder in the same way as Islamic radicalism can cause murder.

Catholicism is murder of the spirit, mind and body-- regardless of interpretation.

Islam is murder of the physical when interpreted radically.


Gee I wish one of these is worse and in need of reform? (Both) But Islam even more so. I speak against Zion but ultimately as far as the modern gods go, Judaism has it right.

God could punish the criminals immediately but He gave them respite. They should be thankful.

Evil is a human problem because good people don't commit evil regardless of available teachings, while wicked people use anything as a guise or excuse. And Islam teaches us to serve God alone and work righteousness. Atheism or any worldview that rejects God and the Hereafter teaches people that existence is meaningless and that our lives are nothing but a waste of time with no accountability if we don't get caught. Its the root of evil because the criminals believe that they won't be judged and that God is unaware.

[maskedmelon]

existence is meaningless and that our lives are nothing but a waste

This is a self evident truth and part of the reason for the popularity of religion in general. Wizard's first rule.

with no accountability if we don't get caught. Its the root of evil because the criminals believe that they won't be judged and that God is unaware.

While it is foolish to argue that a lack of accountability is the source of evil, there is some truth to the idea that a godless society is a wicked one and for the reason you suggest: accountability. Man is an inherently nasty creature and left to himself will seek little more than himself. For example, Judeo-Christian roots and accountability to god are what has allowed the US to endure the scourge of individualism for so long. Japan on the other hand does not suffer the same from atheism because it embraces a group ethic wherein the group or society in general assume the role of god with regards to individual accountability.

[MrSparkle001]

Where "Christianity states..."

Some pretty heavy substituting of Catholicism for Christianity. Biblical Christianity endorses pleasure of all kinds. Food, drink, sex (with your wife), profit etc depending on your intent, who its with and what point of time you are living.

That whole whipping and cutting yourself is an entirely Baalite/Pagan (ie. Catholic) tradition.

Whipping and cutting yourself is most definitely not a catholic tradition, just like protesting military funerals like Westboro Baptist Church isn't a baptist tradition.

You can't put the spotlight on a few freaks and attribute their behavior to the whole. That's true with religion (radical jihadists vs all muslims), police (few bad apples vs police as a whole) etc.

[Saludeen]

This is a self evident truth and part of the reason for the popularity of religion in general. Wizard's first rule.

While it is foolish to argue that a lack of accountability is the source of evil, there is some truth to the idea that a godless society is a wicked one and for the reason you suggest: accountability. Man is an inherently nasty creature and left to himself will seek little more than himself. For example, Judeo-Christian roots and accountability to god are what has allowed the US to endure the scourge of individualism for so long. Japan on the other hand does not suffer the same from atheism because it embraces a group ethic wherein the group or society in general assume the role of god with regards to individual accountability.

The belief that life is meaningless comes from the idea that mindless chaos created the universe. But consistency, structure, logic, and functionality in the universe proves otherwise so the Atheist belief is delusional.

If you're saying that religious people only believe to make themselves feel better because they can't bear a meaningless existence, then that's true for some, but not all, and the same can be said for Atheists. It feels great to tell yourself that you can do whatever you want if you don't get caught because nothing matters in the end and you'll cease to exist anyway. Its a criminal mentality even if some Atheists claim to have morals.

A state doesn't fix that. It usually makes it worse because it creates a guise they can hide behind. So "the state" can take the blame, like how we blame the "government" instead individuals who actually run it who have different beliefs and morals.

I see nothing wrong with individualism though. Why do you call it a scourge?

[Saludeen]

Whipping and cutting yourself is most definitely not a catholic tradition, just like protesting military funerals like Westboro Baptist Church isn't a baptist tradition.

You can't put the spotlight on a few freaks and attribute their behavior to the whole. That's true with religion (radical jihadists vs all muslims), police (few bad apples vs police as a whole) etc.

You're right, except that's a misuse of the word jihadist, which seems to be common. Jihad means struggle, and its the struggle to avoid sin and do good in general. That includes personal improvement, social justice, and war if necessary. So a jihadist is a good thing because it means someone who strives in the cause of God for the sake of righteousness.

[Hasbinbad]

consistency, structure, logic, and functionality in the universe proves otherwise so the Atheist belief is delusional.
lol wat?

you should check out the line of thought that these "rules" are so "precise" because they could not have been any other way.

there is no such thing as "consistency," "structure," "logic," or "function" in the universe. these concepts are created by humans. what you are perhaps actually saying is "things that look like patterns." life is great at perceiving patterns out of otherwise chaotic sensation, but to apply our perceptions to the universe is to engage in hubris.

[Lune]

The belief that life is meaningless comes from the idea that mindless chaos created the universe. But consistency, structure, logic, and functionality in the universe proves otherwise so the Atheist belief is delusional.

Life being meaningless is not an atheist belief. The only atheist belief is that there is no God. Everything beyond that is an individual belief, because unlike organized religion, atheism has no dogma. Some atheists believe life is meaningless, some believe we create our own meaning. And no, you seeing the reflection of your own values in your understanding of the universe in no way makes atheism delusional, it just highlights how naive you are about the physical sciences, and I'd be surprised if you knew anything about the "functionality" of the universe at all beyond what you read in the writings of a medieval warlord.

You don't even seem to comprehend that somebody could develop a moral code and live an ethical life without it being forced on them by organized religion and the threat of eternal suffering. It's really quite simple: I don't do bad things to people because I care about the well-being of others. I recognize that these values are probably predicated on a genetic predisposition to behaviors conducive to social cohesion, and that I synthesized cultural values to build on an instinctual foundation. Human beings evolved as highly social and gregarious creatures, which modulated our cognitions in favor of certain values. We have an entire cortex of our cerebrum dedicated solely to this.

That someone can't be moral without religion is really one of the most ignorant arguments a person can make. If anything, the opposite seems more plausible: a person who derives their morality solely from the mandate of a higher power isn't even capable of actual morality, and is just a pawn and hostage. Luckily I know enough about the way shit actually works to know this isn't true either. You get the majority of your values from your culture, not your religion.

[DoucLangur]

@Sal
Well, imo, not just that, but as far as these english translations, where the usage of "God" is often used, it should really be "Allah" by it's context.

You do realize that "Allah" means "God"? Like "Yahweh"? Dios? Gott? Dieu? In monotheistic religions that is pretty standard and should always be translated to English with God.

No one in monotheistic religions - not even muslimic fundamentalists who enjoy cutting people's heads off - claims that there is anything but one God. And Jesus is a prophet in Islam.

Oh btw: Fuck all religion :p

[Hasbinbad]

yahweh and allah are both names, not monikers. god, gott, dios, dieu are all monikers.

yahweh (god of abraham) and allah (god of abraham) are the same entity.

[maskedmelon]

But consistency, structure, logic, and functionality in the universe proves otherwise so the Atheist belief is delusional.

The absence of a creator does not preclude the possibility of an ordered nature, but I would question strongly your proposition that it is. All atheism does is make for a more inspiring universe. But from a position of profound ignorance, there is nothing at all impressive about it if it is the product of a single omnipotent being.

If you're saying that religious people only believe to make themselves feel better because they can't bear a meaningless existence, then that's true for some, but not all, and the same can be said for Atheists. It feels great to tell yourself that you can do whatever you want if you don't get caught because nothing matters in the end and you'll cease to exist anyway. Its a criminal mentality even if some Atheists claim to have morals.

Certainly, there are a variety of reasons that may be at play in any individual's belief.

A state doesn't fix that. It usually makes it worse because it creates a guise they can hide behind. So "the state" can take the blame, like how we blame the "government" instead individuals who actually run it who have different beliefs and morals.

You're right it doesn't, but that is not what I was talking about. That would be more like contemporary Chinese society where people ignore babies who have been run over. I was talking about culture, which persists in the absence of government. Take a look at Japanese behavior in he aftermath of Fukushima and you will see what I am talking about.

I see nothing wrong with individualism though. Why do you call it a scourge?

Because not all ideas are equally valid and not all ambitions are equally praiseworthy. It is more the US perversion of individualism that I take issue with. People should be free to express themselves as they see fit, but if there are no standards by which individuals abide and are able to discriminate, there is no order and can be no progress. Tempering individualism is a strength of religion.

[AzzarTheGod]

Whipping and cutting yourself is most definitely not a catholic tradition, just like protesting military funerals like Westboro Baptist Church isn't a baptist tradition.

You can't put the spotlight on a few freaks and attribute their behavior to the whole. That's true with religion (radical jihadists vs all muslims), police (few bad apples vs police as a whole) etc.

A few buddy?

Heres just one Catholic organization that preaches exactly the doctrine I spoke of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei

100,000 strong (actual figure is classified again and secret as of 2009ish), many of which are in powerful positions within the Church (many clergy, many priests, even some bishops) and spread and promote their agenda. I'd say a total of at least 200 million are affected by this faction's doctrine alone world wide.

They are the Catholic Church and have standing and recognition within the Church.

Bad fucking analogy with the Westboro Baptist Church. Fucking bad. Not even remotely close.

P.S. When I say "even some bishops" its not just a few..

Affiliated Bishops, Living
•Antonio Arregui Yarza (Priest: 13 Mar 1964 to 4 Jan 1990)
•Juan Ignacio Arrieta Ochoa de Chinchetru (Priest: 23 Aug 1977 to 12 Apr 2008)
•Hugo Nicolás Barbaro (Priest: 15 Aug 1980 to 22 Apr 2008)
•Levi Bonatto, Opus Dei (Priest: 10 Mar 1996 to 8 Oct 2014)
•Ignacio Carrasco de Paula (Priest: 8 Aug 1966 to 30 Jun 2010)
•Fernando José Castro Aguayo (Priest: 31 May 1984 to 27 Jun 2009)
•Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne (Priest: 21 Aug 1977 to 23 May 1988)
•Alfonso Rogelio Delgado Evers (Priest: 23 Jun 1970 to 20 Mar 1986)
•Antônio Augusto Dias Duarte (Priest: 15 Aug 1978 to 12 Jan 2005)
•Javier Echevarría Rodríguez (Priest: 7 Aug 1955; Prelate: 20 Apr 1994)
•Jaime Rafael Fuentes Martín (Priest: 5 Aug 1973 to 16 Oct 2010)
•Ricardo García García (Priest: 12 Jun 1983 to 12 Oct 2004)
•Luis Gleisner Wobbe (Priest: 11 Aug 1963 to 3 Jul 1991)
•José Horacio Gómez Velasco (Priest: 15 Aug 1978 to 23 Jan 2001)
•Juan Ignacio González Errázuriz (Priest: 13 Jun 1993 to 10 Oct 2003)
•Julián Herranz Casado (Priest: 7 Aug 1955 to 15 Dec 1990)
•Philippe Jean-Charles Jourdan (Priest: 20 Aug 1988 to 1 Apr 2005)
•Klaus Küng (Priest: 23 Aug 1970 to 21 Jan 1989)
•Stephen Lee Bun Sang (Priest: 20 Aug 1988 to 11 Jul 2014)
•Carlos Lema Garcia (Priest: 2 Jun 1985 to 30 Apr 2014)
•Rafael Llano Cifuentes (Priest: 20 Dec 1959 to 4 Apr 1990)
•Anthony Muheria (Priest: 13 Jun 1993 to 30 Oct 2003)
•Francisco Polti Santillán (Priest: 11 Aug 1963 to 13 Jul 1994)
•Hugo Eugenio Puccini Banfi (Priest: 27 Aug 1967 to 9 Dec 1977)
•Jaume Pujol Balcells (Priest: 5 Aug 1973 to 15 Jun 2004)
•Fernando Sáenz Lacalle (Priest: 9 Aug 1959 to 22 Dec 1984)
•Juan Antonio Ugarte Pérez (Priest: 27 Aug 1967 to 18 Aug 1983)
•Richard James Umbers (Priest: 1 Sep 2002 to 24 Jun 2016)


I can't even care to count them. Over 30 bishops of the Catholic Church. Yeah, I'll stick with my 200 million figure as a reach that this doctrine has.

You are being incredibly ignorant and naïve here. Try doing some actual research and reading and get some facts before speaking about something you are apparently clueless on.

[Daywolf]

You do realize that "Allah" means "God"? Like "Yahweh"? Dios? Gott? Dieu? In monotheistic religions that is pretty standard and should always be translated to English with God.
What, tl;dr? It doesn't.
And to say God is God is not considered acceptable by muslims, not from the English as I understand it. It must be exclusively Aramaic. imo obviously because it doesn't translate right.

yahweh and allah are both names, not monikers. god, gott, dios, dieu are all monikers.

yahweh (god of abraham) and allah (god of abraham) are the same entity.
Actually it's:
Yahweh “I AM WHO I AM” or I AM THAT I AM. Personal usage (i.e. I name myself etc.).
Allah "The god" Ĕlāhā, or Alaha. Impersonal usage (i.e. I name you etc.).

The same Thegod carved onto temples to the pagan moon-god, Allah or Ĕlāhā. No, they are not the same (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2324117&postcount=290), not in name nor context, and where context is prevalent to the issue i.e. deeds. It's like the difference in name and context of Hasbinbad and Hasbin or Has Been. It's more rooted in the interfaith movement to mix and match, like what the pope hat has been doing, moving towards a new one world religion along with his anti-capitalist and political movement. But Islam isn't a compatible religion, it's an ideology, it's mostly political, and one of war and conquest. Any real unity is coming from their (Islam and Catholicism) political and economic aspects, which is based on the ideology aspect.

[Hasbinbad]

they are still names, rofl.

[big_ole_jpn]

apollo isnt my dog's name retard. its his moniker

[R Flair]

You do realize that "Allah" means "God"? Like "Yahweh"? Dios? Gott? Dieu?

No, it most certainly doesn't. Do a little reading you ignorant cuck. Allah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god) was the name of A god before "Islam" ever came about. The equivocation with God of the Bible is a modern thing.

[AzzarTheGod]

No, it most certainly doesn't. Do a little reading you ignorant cuck. Allah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god) was the name of A god before "Islam" ever came about. The equivocation with God of the Bible is a modern thing.

This. Lot of ignorant cucks posting ITT.

There is a zog agenda to homogenize the religions and imply that Allah is also an Abrahamic god.

The Jews are staunch supporters of multiculturalism (when it involves you and everyone else, not them). And this Allah = Abrahamic god thing is their modern concoction.

[maskedmelon]

So,

1. How does one refer to a false god like Zeus in Arabic? Fake Allah? Or different word?

2. If true, this would mean Lune is God of Muslims. I think this is a good thing.

[MrSparkle001]

A few buddy?

Heres just one Catholic organization that preaches exactly the doctrine I spoke of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei

100,000 strong (actual figure is classified again and secret as of 2009ish), many of which are in powerful positions within the Church (many clergy, many priests, even some bishops) and spread and promote their agenda. I'd say a total of at least 200 million are affected by this faction's doctrine alone world wide.

They are the Catholic Church and have standing and recognition within the Church.

Bad fucking analogy with the Westboro Baptist Church. Fucking bad. Not even remotely close.

P.S. When I say "even some bishops" its not just a few..



I can't even care to count them. Over 30 bishops of the Catholic Church. Yeah, I'll stick with my 200 million figure as a reach that this doctrine has.

You are being incredibly ignorant and naïve here. Try doing some actual research and reading and get some facts before speaking about something you are apparently clueless on.

I am catholic, so is my family and an awful lot of people in this area. Not once have I met someone who practiced self whipping or cutting. Not once.

Opus Dei and self whipping aren't synonymous either you know.

Where do people get these ideas anyway?

BTW, I'm of the belief that the roman catholic and greek orthodox churches are the only two true churches, along with (to a point) the anglican church which split from rome but can otherwise trace most of if not all of their ordinations back to the founding of the christian church, and some of the other ancient sects in the near and far east. All these other churches grew out of the squabbling of people who all thought they had the correct interpretation of the bible after the Reformation. Crazily some still have grudges against catholics today. I hear that nonsense a lot.

[Wonkie]

I am catholic, so is my family and an awful lot of people in this area. Not once have I met someone who practiced self whipping or cutting. Not once.

Opus Dei and self whipping aren't synonymous either you know.

Where do people get these ideas anyway?

BTW, I'm of the belief that the roman catholic and greek orthodox churches are the only two true churches, along with (to a point) the anglican church which split from rome but can otherwise trace most of if not all of their ordinations back to the founding of the christian church, and some of the other ancient sects in the near and far east. All these other churches grew out of the squabbling of people who all thought they had the correct interpretation of the bible after the Reformation. Crazily some still have grudges against catholics today. I hear that nonsense a lot.

oh wow a catholic is up his own butt about dogmatic purity

never seen that before!

[R Flair]

I am catholic, so is my family and an awful lot of people in this area. Not once have I met someone who practiced self whipping or cutting. Not once.

Opus Dei and self whipping aren't synonymous either you know.

Where do people get these ideas anyway?

BTW, I'm of the belief that the roman catholic and greek orthodox churches are the only two true churches, along with (to a point) the anglican church which split from rome but can otherwise trace most of if not all of their ordinations back to the founding of the christian church, and some of the other ancient sects in the near and far east. All these other churches grew out of the squabbling of people who all thought they had the correct interpretation of the bible after the Reformation. Crazily some still have grudges against catholics today. I hear that nonsense a lot.

Not to derail our bashing of terrorists and radical islam (or any islam for that matter), but one need only look at the religious writing found right in the Bible to find the origins of the "Christian church."

Spoiler: it didn't have shit to do with Rome, men dressed like women, twiddling prayer beads, diddling kids, or worshiping the mother goddess aka Queen of Heaven (now referred to as Mary > previously Juno, Hestia, and a dozen other names across many cultures back to Isis in Egypt).

[Saludeen]

No, it most certainly doesn't. Do a little reading you ignorant cuck. Allah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god) was the name of A god before "Islam" ever came about. The equivocation with God of the Bible is a modern thing.

You're pretty desperate to deny Arabic bibles lol.
How does an Arabic speaker say God then?
It makes no difference whether we say God or Allah except that Arabic is more beautiful than English.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
41:37 And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun, nor the moon; you shall prostrate to God who has created them, if it is truly Him you serve.

25:2 The One to whom belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and He did not take a son, and He does not have any partner in kingship. And He created everything and measured it precisely.

43:87 And if you asked them who has created them, they would say, "God." Why then do they deviate?

[R Flair]

You're pretty desperate to deny Arabic bibles lol.
How does an Arabic speaker say God then?
It makes no difference whether we say God or Allah except that Arabic is more beautiful than English.


An arab speaker says allah. allah is properly translated as allah in english. Only the ignorant or those with an agenda would try to equate allah with God. allah and the God of the Bible are two different entities because things that are different are not the same.

[Ahldagor]

And there's been an inadvertent display of the weak power of naming. Y'all have come a long way in this thread.

[maskedmelon]

Sal,

What is the word for fake or other gods in Arabic? Like Aphrodite or Baal or Loki.

[Saludeen]

Sal,

What is the word for fake or other gods in Arabic? Like Aphrodite or Baal or Loki.

ilaha - إله

One of the most important declarations in Islam is "la ilaha illallah" - there is no god but God - لا إله إلا الله

[Nihilist_santa]

Question for Saludeen. I was a Baha'i for some time but fell out with that group for several reasons but the primary one being that they claimed all of these prophets from various religions were different manifestations of the same god (usual syncretic BS) but they ignored the many contradictions of those "divine manifestations". I always wondered the same about Islam. It claims to honor Jesus/Isa as a prophet but ignores all of the messages Jesus/Isa spoke (his attributed words contradict many of Islams). How do you reconcile a belief in Jesus/Isa's teachings with the fact they contradict what Muhammad claimed?

[Saludeen]

An arab speaker says allah. allah is properly translated as allah in english. Only the ignorant or those with an agenda would try to equate allah with God. allah and the God of the Bible are two different entities because things that are different are not the same.

Allah is a transliteration. God is the translation.

[Saludeen]

Question for Saludeen. I was a Baha'i for some time but fell out with that group for several reasons but the primary one being that they claimed all of these prophets from various religions were different manifestations of the same god (usual syncretic BS) but they ignored the many contradictions of those "divine manifestations". I always wondered the same about Islam. It claims to honor Jesus/Isa as a prophet but ignores all of the messages Jesus/Isa spoke (his attributed words contradict many of Islams). How do you reconcile a belief in Jesus/Isa's teachings with the fact they contradict what Muhammad claimed?

Then they aren't his teachings. Are you referring to the Bible?

[maskedmelon]

ilaha - إله

One of the most important declarations in Islam is "la ilaha illallah" - there is no god but God - لا إله إلا الله

Well that seems to suggest Allah is a name for god ^^ Tuough if other religions use the same word, I guess not! That is not particularly important to me though.

You sknow greeted that Sharia is not a part of Islam, does that mean you reject it? Are you a part of a specific sect of Islam that shares your interpretation? I am curious because your view seems to contrast sharply with majority Muslim opinion throughout the world.

[Nihilist_santa]

Then they aren't his teachings. Are you referring to the Bible?

Yeah the Bible or Dead Sea Scrolls. The source of information regarding Jesus life and teachings that existed 600 years before Muhammad came along. There are some 5000+ old manuscripts of the bible that align pretty damn well. Is the Muslim understanding of Jesus all based on words from Muhammad? How do you reconcile that it is incompatible with Christ teachings. Things like "live by the sword die by the sword" "render unto ceaser..." "the good Samaritan" etc pretty much anti-statist, anti-war, anti-discrimination positions that the Islamic world has inverted to justify their militant history and present terror campaigns.

[sOurDieSel]

It's just the 'Religion of Peace' being 'Nice.'

[Nihilist_santa]

It's just the 'Religion of Peace' being 'Nice.'

Fucking nice.

http://i.imgur.com/jcB7wNl.jpg

[Saludeen]

Well that seems to suggest Allah is a name for god ^^ Tuough if other religions use the same word, I guess not! That is not particularly important to me though.

You sknow greeted that Sharia is not a part of Islam, does that mean you reject it? Are you a part of a specific sect of Islam that shares your interpretation? I am curious because your view seems to contrast sharply with majority Muslim opinion throughout the world.

To God are the best names. So its more about sincerity and intention (17:110). It doesn't make sense to refer to God as Zeus or Jesus or Cthulu because those don't refer to the Creator, the All-Mighty, Lord of the Worlds, the Generous, the Rich, the Praiseworthy, Seer, Hearer, All-Knowing, Most Wise, Master of the Day of Judgement.

I reject Sharia law because its man made from corrupt books called hadiths. God sent the Qur'an, not hadiths, regardless of what sunni or shia sectarians say. The majority of "Muslims" may be Sunni but the only non-sectarian form of Islam is one from the Qur'an alone reinforced by reasoning.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

May God bless you and admit you to Paradise with rivers flowing beneath.

[Nihilist_santa]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

May God bless you and admit you to Paradise with rivers flowing beneath.

Seems like Muhammad was familiar with the bible according to the above verse(lords prayer Mathew 6:6) . So why did he ignore all of the other verses?

[Saludeen]

Yeah the Bible or Dead Sea Scrolls. The source of information regarding Jesus life and teachings that existed 600 years before Muhammad came along. There are some 5000+ old manuscripts of the bible that align pretty damn well. Is the Muslim understanding of Jesus all based on words from Muhammad? How do you reconcile that it is incompatible with Christ teachings. Things like "live by the sword die by the sword" "render unto ceaser..." "the good Samaritan" etc pretty much anti-statist, anti-war, anti-discrimination positions that the Islamic world has inverted to justify their militant history and present terror campaigns.

I predict you're just trying to make a claim that "Islam is X" where X is anything negative. Islam teaches us to submit to God alone and do good, which is what Isa taught. Anything specific should be judged in light of that.

So what specific teaching do you have a problem with?
I don't expect you to read multiple paragraphs of explanations.

But i'll start with "live by the sword". Isa didn't teach pacifism. Pacifism is how millions of people get murdered by despotic governments. Self defense and fighting against evil is necessary for justice and peace on earth, even if we hate war.
According to Christians if an innocent person was being killed, they would stand by and watch because to attack or stop the criminal would be violent and hypocritical. That's not what Isa taught. Any good Muslim would immediately stand up for the innocent regardless of their religion, unless they're an obvious criminal.

[Saludeen]

It's just the 'Religion of Peace' being 'Nice.'

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:42 Say: "If there had been gods with Him as they say, then they would have tried to gain a way to the Throne."

[maskedmelon]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:42 Say: "If there had been gods with Him as they say, then they would have tried to gain a way to the Throne."

Is this the reason there is only one god?

[maskedmelon]

To God are the best names. So its more about sincerity and intention (17:110). It doesn't make sense to refer to God as Zeus or Jesus or Cthulu because those don't refer to the Creator, the All-Mighty, Lord of the Worlds, the Generous, the Rich, the Praiseworthy, Seer, Hearer, All-Knowing, Most Wise, Master of the Day of Judgement.

I reject Sharia law because its man made from corrupt books called hadiths. God sent the Qur'an, not hadiths, regardless of what sunni or shia sectarians say. The majority of "Muslims" may be Sunni but the only non-sectarian form of Islam is one from the Qur'an alone reinforced by reasoning.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

May God bless you and admit you to Paradise with rivers flowing beneath.

Well ty. You seem like a very nice man Sal and it is unfortunate that other sects of your faith have perverted it with hadiths. Be they Sharia or not though, the Qur'an also proscribes punishment for various transgressions though does it not? What are your thoughts on those?

[Nihilist_santa]

I predict you're just trying to make a claim that "Islam is X" where X is anything negative. Islam teaches us to submit to God alone and do good, which is what Isa taught. Anything specific should be judged in light of that.

So what specific teaching do you have a problem with?
I don't expect you to read multiple paragraphs of explanations.

But i'll start with "live by the sword". Isa didn't teach pacifism. Pacifism is how millions of people get murdered by despotic governments. Self defense and fighting against evil is necessary for justice and peace on earth, even if we hate war.
According to Christians if an innocent person was being killed, they would stand by and watch because to attack or stop the criminal would be violent and hypocritical. That's not what Isa taught. Any good Muslim would immediately stand up for the innocent regardless of their religion, unless they're an obvious criminal.

You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"

[maskedmelon]

You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"

Going to take a guess here Santa and assume the account would have come from god to Mohammed. That's the way religion works.

[Daywolf]

According to Christians if an innocent person was being killed, they would stand by and watch because to attack or stop the criminal would be violent and hypocritical.Really? Where is that written in context? And that's not 'turn the other cheek', people attach that meaning to it but it's not there contextually, not even culturally. Actually the apostles carried swords, Yeshua told them to, even to sale their cloak if they didn't have one and go buy a sword (the gun of the day). It was just during his earthly ministry that the apostles were unarmed. After all, Yeshua-Yahweh (YHWH) was there to protect them in person during the purposes of his ministry, even to the the purpose of his temporary death on the Roman cross.

The whole 'total pacifist' thing is an invention of the political left (the muslims ideological friends) which have infiltrated churches around the world and confuse the literal interpretations of their scriptures, even replacing it with man-made feel-good psychology and country-club style churches.

But it's Yahweh Sabaoth, the LORD of Hosts, the leader of armies, GOD of War, Yeshua-YHWH-Saboth-Elohim.


How many times a day do you pray towards Mecca to your Allah?

[Saludeen]

You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"

I don't deny the words of Isa. I deny the source you assume are his words. I know he wasn't a pacifist because pacifism aids evil and all Prophets fought for justice and peace which may or may not include war. If you see an innocent person being attacked and you turn the other cheek then you are partially responsible, depending on the situation.

Pacifism is like letting someone bully you every day without doing anything while Christians stand by and let him because they're pacifists too, so they claim. The Messiah, son of Mary, would have stopped the bully if possible and taught you how to defend yourself if you deserve it, God willing.

[Manticmuse]

The worst was when dumbledore died.

[Saludeen]

Really? Where is that written in context? And that's not 'turn the other cheek', people attach that meaning to it but it's not there contextually, not even culturally. Actually the apostles carried swords, Yeshua told them to, even to sale their cloak if they didn't have one and go buy a sword (the gun of the day). It was just during his earthly ministry that the apostles were unarmed. After all, Yeshua-Yahweh (YHWH) was there to protect them in person during the purposes of his ministry, even to the the purpose of his temporary death on the Roman cross.

The whole 'total pacifist' thing is an invention of the political left (the muslims ideological friends) which have infiltrated churches around the world and confuse the literal interpretations of their scriptures, even replacing it with man-made feel-good psychology and country-club style churches.

But it's Yahweh Sabaoth, the LORD of Hosts, the leader of armies, GOD of War, Yeshua-YHWH-Saboth-Elohim.


How many times a day do you pray towards Mecca to your Allah?

The other Christian said Jesus was a pacifist. I don't agree with him. But that's what a pacifist would do if someone was being attacked.

So I agree that they probably carried swords. And your claim about Muslims infiltrating churches is hilarious. We're not even allowed to step foot in polytheist temples.

God is your God too, even if you pray to Jesus instead. And I pray to God while facing the Dome of the Rock three times a day, God willing, because that's the real temple. The cube in Mecca is a pagan, unknown to the sectarians who do silly man made rituals like circling it or kissing the stone.

[Saludeen]

Well ty. You seem like a very nice man Sal and it is unfortunate that other sects of your faith have perverted it with hadiths. Be they Sharia or not though, the Qur'an also proscribes punishment for various transgressions though does it not? What are your thoughts on those?

Peace. Thanks for the kind words. God is aware of what they're doing and we'll continue to speak out against it, God willing. And its not my religion they're distorting, its God's. I simply follow it, all praise and thanks is to Him.

Depends on what you're referring to. I support punishments prescribed in the Qur'an as long as the translation is accurate.

And about your other comment referring to One God. That's one reason, if there were multiple gods they would fight among each other until one emerged the winner. But there's alot more to be said relating to the universe requiring an eternal first cause and the indivisible nature of infinity.

[maskedmelon]

Do Christians really pray to Jesus? I know Catholics seem pray to Mary and any of their patron saints, but thought Protestants just pray to God.

[fash]

Do Christians really pray to Jesus? I know Catholics seem pray to Mary and any of their patron saints, but thought Protestants just pray to God.

Yes, Christians pray to Jesus, because Jesus is god in the doctrine. The father, son (Jesus), and holy spirit are god. What you're probably missing is an understanding of the trinity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity) doctrine. Regarding Catholics, when they pray to Mary/saints, it's to ask them to pray for them as I recall. Also, Catholics would say they worship only god. They don't worship saints, though they do hold veneration for them, and saints' pray skill is maxed, hence why Catholics ask saints to pray on their behalf. --ex-Catholic

[Saludeen]

Yes, Christians pray to Jesus, because Jesus is god in the doctrine. The father, son (Jesus), and holy spirit are god. What you're probably missing is an understanding of the trinity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity) doctrine. Regarding Catholics, when they pray to Mary/saints, it's to ask them to pray for them as I recall. Also, Catholics would say they worship only god. They don't worship saints, though they do hold veneration for them, and saints' pray skill is maxed, hence why Catholics ask saints to pray on their behalf. --ex-Catholic

Its true that they worship a white guy. Jesus didn't know the Hour according to the Bible (Matt 24:36). God is All-Knowing. So the claim that Jesus is God is a logical contradiction and idolatry, one of the worst sins.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
5:116 And God will say: "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods other than God?" He said: "Glory to you, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then You know it, You know what is in my self while I do not know what is in Your self. You are the Knower of the unseen."

5:117 "I only said to them what You commanded me to say, that you shall serve God my Lord and your Lord; and I was witness over them as long as I was with them, but when You terminated my life, You were watcher over them. You are witness over all things."

2:22 The One who made the land a habitat, and the sky a structure, and He sent down from the sky water with which He brought out fruit as a provision for you. So do not make any equals with God while you now know.

[fash]

I predict you're just trying to make a claim that "Islam is X" where X is anything negative. Islam teaches us to submit to God alone and do good, which is what Isa taught. Anything specific should be judged in light of that.

Maybe your interpretation of Islam is more accurate and less harmful then the majority of Muslims. However, when half of self-identifying Muslims in a country say suicide bombings are justifiable, that is empirically a problem demographic.

[Hasbinbad]

Maybe your interpretation of Islam is more accurate and less harmful then the majority of Muslims. However, when half of self-identifying Muslims in a country say suicide bombings are justifiable, that is empirically a problem demographic.
Are you saying that suicide bombings are never justifiable?

[Nihilist_santa]

Are you saying that suicide bombings are never justifiable?

Are you saying droning the shit out of the backwoods savages who think this is justified is not justifiable? Well you are in luck I agree with you. We should have been focusing our efforts on race based bio weapons. YLYL.

[Hasbinbad]

race based bio weapons
since there is no biological basis for race, that would be a neat trick.

[Nihilist_santa]

since there is no biological basis for race, that would be a neat trick.

Watson/Crick disagree. Also the following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_bioweapon

"In 2005, the official view of the International Committee of the Red Cross was "The potential to target a particular ethnic group with a biological agent is probably not far off. These scenarios are not the product of the ICRC's imagination but have either occurred or been identified by countless independent and governmental experts."[5]

[Pokesan]

to be clear, you're advocating for certain races to be exterminated by a biological weapon?

[Nihilist_santa]

Biowarfare will be the next big thing. Its cheaper than nukes and doesnt dmg valuable infrastructure. You are fooling yourself if you think other countries and groups are not working on this. Do you think if ISIS had the ability to release one they would? Is a 100 year occupation humane? Generational holy wars and feuds?

[fash]

Are you saying that suicide bombings are never justifiable?

I'm saying if a culture has a history of wantonly bombing you and outwardly justifies it, a prudent person doesn't welcome them with open arms. Self-preservation is a great thing.

[fash]

there is no biological basis for race

Right, because we can't perform cluster analysis on genomes yet. And the human genome clusters don't correspond to self-identified ethnicities at all. :confused:

Science does support the existence of genetic differences between races, both differences expressed in human peoples' phenotypes (it's possible to give an accurate phenotypic reconstruction of features we often label as racial markers from DNA samples, in addition to geographic ancestry) and in non-coded DNA e.g. significantly higher % of Neanderthal DNA in Europeans.

[Hasbinbad]

^pseudoscientific nonsense

[Hasbinbad]

but i'll bite .. define race. then define *a* race.

/popcorn

[Hasbinbad]

.. i mean .. *stifled guffaw* .. if there is such a thing as .. *probing eye contact* .. "racial markers" .. *gigglish outburst* .. then surely you can easily define race .. *knowing smile* ..

[Nihilist_santa]

.. i mean .. *stifled guffaw* .. if there is such a thing as .. *probing eye contact* .. "racial markers" .. *gigglish outburst* .. then surely you can easily define race .. *knowing smile* ..

What part of

"In 2005, the official view of the International Committee of the Red Cross was "The potential to target a particular ethnic group with a biological agent is probably not far off. These scenarios are not the product of the ICRC's imagination but have either occurred or been identified by countless independent and governmental experts."[5]

Do you not understand?

[Pokesan]

significantly higher % of Neanderthal DNA in Europeans.

if this is true doesn't it make white people the more sub-human race?

just sayin

[Daywolf]

The other Christian said Jesus was a pacifist. I don't agree with him. But that's what a pacifist would do if someone was being attacked.

So I agree that they probably carried swords. And your claim about Muslims infiltrating churches is hilarious. We're not even allowed to step foot in polytheist temples.
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
Not just an opinion, they actually did carry swords (the gun of the day), but for the apostles not until the end of his earthly ministry.
And you misunderstood, I said liberals, not muslims.


God is your God too, even if you pray to Jesus instead. And I pray to God while facing the Dome of the Rock three times a day, God willing, because that's the real temple. The cube in Mecca is a pagan, unknown to the sectarians who do silly man made rituals like circling it or kissing the stone. 3 times a day, Yeshua (Jesus in the English) instructs to pray all day, always, constantly. There is no formula, no repetitive words, no precise posture, just awareness, and to not make a spectacle of it as if to show off, those are the instructions. Pray is an old word, it means to communicate with someone, or to talk, not an incantation to be repeated over and over or whatnot.

How can you say the same God there? If you read closely, I clearly wrote Yeshua GOD. He called himself (https://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/john-1030-33-what-made-jews-want-kill-jesus) the one and only GOD, the great "I AM" (YHWH) and the Jews tried to kill him for blasphemy on the spot for claiming that. There is only one creator, but people make their own gods, be it a false god, but their god nontheless. This is why Yeshua told some of the Jews that they are of their father the Devil. Islam teaches that Yeshua was just a man, a prophet and teacher a different Yeshua all together. But those are not Yeshua's claims, he clearly taught that he himself is God. So no, the god of Islam is not the Same as the Christian God, by far.

Convert or die, this is what Islam does, for their god, or to make the rest allowed to live as second-class citizens. They do this by war, by invasion, even by trickery. That is not the same God. The God of Christianity simply offers a choice, not a sword, but the offer in and of grace. Swords are for defending yourself, not conquest by a religion, or in the case of Islam an ideology. And thus from what I just wrote, it is apparent Islam and Christianity is not nor can ever be compatible on any level.

[Saludeen]

Maybe your interpretation of Islam is more accurate and less harmful then the majority of Muslims. However, when half of self-identifying Muslims in a country say suicide bombings are justifiable, that is empirically a problem demographic.

I think you're reasonable based on what you say and how you say it. But where did you get that statistic? There might be a sect or members within it that support suicide bombing, but actual Muslims condemn that because the Qur'an clearly forbids it and says that anyone who does it goes to hell:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
4:29 O you who believe, do not consume your money between you unjustly, unless it is through a trade which is mutually agreed by you. And do not kill yourselves; God is Merciful towards you.

4:30 And whoever does so out of animosity and transgression, We will cast him to a Fire; and this for God is very easy.

[sOurDieSel]

since there is no biological basis for race, that would be a neat trick.

Race is a social construct.

But all White People are racist unless they voted for Obama.

[Jarnauga]

http://i.imgur.com/qgBzJo3.png

[georgie]

American patriotism

[Saludeen]

Daywolf you say so much nonsense that I can't take you seriously. Thanks for the laugh though.

[AzzarTheGod]

There was a Saludeen post that I found while on my phone that I genuinely agreed with that I meant to requote, now I can't find it.

Oh well.

[Raev]

.. i mean .. *stifled guffaw* .. if there is such a thing as .. *probing eye contact* .. "racial markers" .. *gigglish outburst* .. then surely you can easily define race .. *knowing smile* ..

This is so silly that it can only come from someone who went to college. Any child of 5 can tell the difference between a Black man and an Asian man, yet because there isn't a magical 'Black' gene or an 'Asian' gene you are busy feeling superior on an internet message board to people using their common sense to make accurate real life predictions.

It's easy to show that races differ significantly genetically. For example, here is a paper on race in Nature (http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html). It has over 400 citations, and it says:


Of the 0.1% of DNA that varies among individuals, what proportion varies among main populations? Consider an apportionment of Old World populations into three continents (Africa, Asia and Europe), a grouping that corresponds to a common view of three of the 'major races'16, 17. Approximately 85−90% of genetic variation is found within these continental groups, and only an additional 10−15% of variation is found between them

So, while most genetic variation occurs between individuals, a solid 10-15% comes from what most people would call race. Scientists would probably consider the various races to be subspecies if it wasn't so politically incorrect. After all, an African human and an Asian human have far greater visibly obvious differences than a Siberian tiger and a Bengal tiger.

Edit: if you really want to have some fun, humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes for a total of 46. One of these differs between Men and Women, for about 2%. That's vastly higher than the 0.1% variance within the human species, and actually higher than the difference between humans and chimps (about 1%). So a male human is genetically closer to a male chimpazee than a female human, and a female human is genetically closer to a female chimpanzee than a male human. Meanwhile a cat only shares 90% of its genome with us.

And as long as I am busy writing this longwinded post that no one will read or understand, let me simply say that I am comfortable with racial differences between humans because I don't support government action based on, well, anything. If you believe in using government to fix problems, and you realize that races are genetically different, well one race must be better based on some criteria, and then you have the obligation to FIX it, and that leads you down a very unpleasant path. Whereas if you believe in small government that does not discriminate, you can simply accept obvious facts and move on with your life.

[big_ole_jpn]

This is so silly that it can only come from someone who went to college.

Absolutely right. This is stuff I didn't hear until my required Anthro 101 "cultural studies" course, along with the biggest dogma of that field: ethnocentrism. These people recoil in horror about Nazis yet claim value-judgments about cultural variation are impossible to make.

In actual science/medical education race is very relevant, and although the racial categories extant in popular consciousness were defined somewhat arbitrarily (the real actual categories spawned from recent understanding of genetics don't have easy-to-remember names) they are still quite useful and reasonably accurate at the population scale, as far as blunt instruments go.

Daddy zog knows he can trust the libarts chrilden to lap this shit up even as the very same institution is teaching the opposite in evidence-based classes. I recently heard a 40-year-old college-educated woman say that there is no way to discern the biological sex of a human being by looking at their genetic makeup. She makes over 100k at one of the most major tech and big data firms on Earth. The god of abraham will grant you Eden yall, just stay away from that apple of knowledge.

[Pokesan]

So, while most genetic variation occurs between individuals, a solid 10-15% comes from what most people would call race. Scientists would probably consider the various races to be subspecies if it wasn't so politically incorrect. After all, an African human and an Asian human have far greater visibly obvious differences than a Siberian tiger and a Bengal tiger.


What is the common definition of species?

[AzzarTheGod]

Watson/Crick disagree. Also the following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_bioweapon

"In 2005, the official view of the International Committee of the Red Cross was "The potential to target a particular ethnic group with a biological agent is probably not far off. These scenarios are not the product of the ICRC's imagination but have either occurred or been identified by countless independent and governmental experts."[5]

As we know, geneticists have discovered that the Jewish phenotypes exist in Ashkenazi Jews as well as Semitic Jews and Sephardic Jews.

The phenotype is extremely dominant. You can have 1 great-grandmother who was Jewish on your mothers side of the family who married in, and still possess the DNA necessary to pass an Israeli citizenship certification (DNA exam).

The bioweapon I'd be concerned about would be one used against Iran and Palestine, targeting non-Jew phenotypes. Which would eventually leapfrog to the world through mass current propagation of mass migration policies by Emperor Zog (video game).

The Talmud declaring a "Chosen people to survive by God" is extremely dangerous to any free society. Chosen is exceptionalism, chosen is nationalism, chosen is I am better than you. Are you all comfortable with that? Why should any ethnic group declare itself better than anyone else? Or "chosen to survive" over anyone else?

Isn't that kinda racist? Weird.

[big_ole_jpn]

The Talmud declaring a "Chosen people to survive by God" is extremely dangerous to any free society. Chosen is exceptionalism, chosen is nationalism, chosen is I am better than you. Are you all comfortable with that? Why should any ethnic group declare itself better than anyone else? Or "chosen to survive" over anyone else?

Isn't that kinda racist? Weird.

butt it's a religion, not a race? :confused: but you can only fully convert if you have a womb??? :confused:

[AzzarTheGod]

butt it's a religion, not a race? :confused:

When Israel instituted an actual DNA test to determine citizenship the zogbots lost this Religion VS Ethnicity propaganda war.

I used to hear that a lot from plebs. Just heard it last year actually from an extended family member. "Jew is a religion". Now thanks to Israel I can just point out "Hey, whats up with Israel's citizenship and DNA testing?"

Shuts them down pretty quick, then I never talk to them again because there is no woke they can possibly offer me being so incredibly brainwashed.

[Daywolf]

Daywolf you say so much nonsense that I can't take you seriously. Thanks for the laugh though.
Because it's not modern liberal. That's foundation mainstream right there, man, even predates the understanding reached by the First Council of Nicaea in 325 of which is in agreement. You seem to only understand your own version of Islam, and everything else is a joke and to be ignored (I find the study of many religions fascinating as tied into history). As they say, ignorance is bliss, though some peoples bliss includes living on the hilt end of a sword, sadly.

[Lurikeen]

The skin color, weight, height, and even temperature of a person are all secondary properties and have no subsistence in the world. The entire world is a fluid pool of sub-atomic particles which the central nervous system interprets for the person. All one need to do is rewire their CNR to see the world differently. Take Peyote, drop some LSD, swallow some ecstasy, shoot-up some heroin. Alter your worlds! Drop out to drop in man!

/sarcasm off

Our world is screwed if we can't call a white man white or a black man black without it being bigotry.

[fash]

I think you're reasonable based on what you say and how you say it. But where did you get that statistic? There might be a sect or members within it that support suicide bombing, but actual Muslims condemn that because the Qur'an clearly forbids it and says that anyone who does it goes to hell:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
4:29 O you who believe, do not consume your money between you unjustly, unless it is through a trade which is mutually agreed by you. And do not kill yourselves; God is Merciful towards you.

4:30 And whoever does so out of animosity and transgression, We will cast him to a Fire; and this for God is very easy.

It's from Pew Research polls. IIRC, the results regarding supporting suicide bombing was in a 2007 paper from Pew Research. They were mentioned earlier in this thread:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2322826&postcount=118
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2322892&postcount=127

[Hasbinbad]

omfg i just cant with all this nonsense

Raev posted some numbers which he doesn't understand which support my argument.

Please consider carbon monoxide.

[Saludeen]

It's from Pew Research polls. IIRC, the results regarding supporting suicide bombing was in a 2007 paper from Pew Research. They were mentioned earlier in this thread:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2322826&postcount=118
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2322892&postcount=127

Thanks, although I don't trust those polls. It would take 10 minutes to photoshop some fake numbers and nobody would question how accurate or legitimate it actually is. And if they're accurate then it still doesn't matter because any of those "Muslims" who support that are stupid or ignorant because the Qur'an clearly forbids suicide bombing and even I would speak out against them. Nor am I responsible for others mistakes.

Its also a matter of perspective because there's plenty of violent 'murican hypocrites who would support murdering all Muslims regardless of who they actually are. A perfect example is multiple Christians who've threatened to kill me while I avoid sin, do good, and probably have a better police record than them. Yet they express nothing but hate because they're evil and ignorant, ironically, like that literal murdering psychopath MEGANS LAW.

[AzzarTheGod]

omfg i just cant with all this nonsense


u cant take the heat get out of the kitchen big boy.

[Pokesan]

Munich?

[maskedmelon]

Munich?

Taking bets here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248638)

Please try to remain as unproductive and original as possible with any conjecture.

[Pokesan]

Taking bets here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248638)

Please try to remain as unproductive and original as possible with any conjecture.

please let the shooter be japanese

[Nihilist_santa]

please let the shooter be japanese

Agree with you this time.

[maskedmelon]

Why you two have to be so mean about it? ;n;

[Nihilist_santa]

Dont worry he wont be Japanese. They only kill themselves out of shame :P <3

[barrettdc1]

There was a Japanese cop from California recently convicted of using Japanese policing methods (torture, indefinite detention, starvation) to secure convictions and confessions.

I guess he had been operating for awhile, and was pretty high ranking (like captain or sergeant) and was teaching his whole unit how to do "real police work". This entire unit was using these Japanese methods and I guess the Japanese guy was like the proud teacher, covering up their work and commending them on their efficiency. He covered up every single complaint.

If you know anything about Japan, then you can certainly tell this is a case of him trying to bring his country and cultural enlightenment over to the States.

We should have congratulated him rather than convict him and stick him behind bars for a few decades.

they were just happy to be noticed by their senpai

[AzzarTheGod]

Dont worry he wont be Japanese. They only kill themselves out of shame :P <3

There was a Japanese cop from California recently convicted of using Japanese policing methods (torture, indefinite detention, starvation) to secure convictions and confessions.

I guess he had been operating for awhile, and was pretty high ranking (like captain) and was teaching his whole unit how to do "real police work". This entire unit was using these Japanese methods and I guess the Japanese guy was like the proud teacher, covering up their work and commending them on their efficiency. He covered up every single complaint.

If you know anything about Japan, then you can certainly tell this is a case of him trying to bring his country and cultural enlightenment over to the States.

We should have congratulated him rather than convict him and stick him behind bars for a few decades.

[barrettdc1]

wait did i just time travel? what the fuck lol.

[AzzarTheGod]

they were just happy to be noticed by their senpai

From the article I read (no link off hand) this is accurate.

[AzzarTheGod]

Just a temporal rift opened in your vicinity for a moment, its normal.

[maskedmelon]

wait did i just time travel? what the fuck lol.

No, you have just witnessed one of the less scrupulous tactics in Grand FQ Strategy. It is akin to rating one's own thread or visiting others profiles only while logged out. dishonorable...

[maskedmelon]

We should have congratulated him rather than convict him and stick him behind bars for a few decades.

[big_ole_jpn]

rating one's own thread dishonorable...

agree. thanks to whoever has been following all my threads and 5 starring them immediately btw.

[maskedmelon]

agree. thanks to whoever has been following all my threads and 5 starring them immediately btw.

I enjoyed this for a spell, but I took it for granted, did not declare my profound gratitude and have now been abandoned : / I was hit with a 1 star this morning...