Dial a port is bad for server health.

[phacemeltar]

Here's an example:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249237

[phacemeltar]

Please petition. They need to be shut down.

[Expediency]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222555

[Valse]

For the record that guy is not in DAP anymore.

[backsteppin123]

Your pointless QQ is even worse for the server. Bout to flood oasis with your tears, then where will we level our new toons? #SaveTheOasis

[Izmael]

If someone doesn't want to port you, they don't have to. Find another porter and spare everyone the QQ.

[Muggens]

Nothing wrong with DAP

[Jmcwrestling]

I think DAP is a good thing.
It's nice to have people who are actively willing to port people rather than asking randoms who are likely busy leveling, etc.

If you don't want to join them then just get your name out there. I have a few Druids that I like to ask for ports if they are around (not part of Dial a port either).

Shoutout to Sammah who is always happy to help me get outta OT even when I have special/complicated requests!

[Raev]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222555

hehe, nice thread

[Lhancelot]

Here's an example:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249237

I find this post ironic, to say the least. :p

[phacemeltar]

I find this post ironic, to say the least. :p

in my defense, i did not read the entire chat log

[Jauna]

Why the fuck would someone have a chatbox named after themselves?

[ld420]

Why the fuck would someone have a chatbox named after themselves?

Rozcoe didnt name the chatbox, That was that creepy, racist dickbag Valse.

To the OP, really? Dial a Port is an awesome service. In a game where there are no mounts, no auto ports (think PoK books), and movement spells that are fast but not stupid fast (unless bard), the idea of a group of people sandboxing it up and making an entire guild to be the public transport if the server....is pretty smart. Maybe you should stop chugging the haterade. I myself use the service a lot, and it is INFINITELY more convenient to ask someone tagged, that I KNOW wants to port me, than to ask strangers who are busy leveling or whatnot and waste my time getting rejected. Nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you use DaP.

[phacemeltar]

creepy, racist dickbag
PoK books
stupid fast
haterade
waste my time
getting rejected
gun to your head


im not here to argue with you and i have no incentive to try to reason with someone so angry. if i wanted to be verbally abused i would contact my ex-wife.

[HeyNomad]

Why the fuck would someone have a chatbox named after themselves?

Valse had tell windows enabled. This gives each new tell conversation its own window, automatically labeled with the name of the other person.

[ld420]

im not here to argue with you and i have no incentive to try to reason with someone so angry. if i wanted to be verbally abused i would contact my ex-wife.

Im not angry. You are judging,smearing and suggesting that an entire guild be shut down, because of one incident. Your butthurt is strong. I see why shes your ex wife.

[Bummey]

Dial a port is mostly full of cool dudes and rad ladies.

[phacemeltar]

Im not angry. You are judging,smearing and suggesting that an entire guild be shut down, because of one incident. Your butthurt is strong. I see why shes your ex wife.

i have other reasons, this is just an example

[Tpar]

I have never had a bad experience with Dial A Port. I have found them to be a good service, and I generally tip them well. If they have any fault it is that there are often not enough of them around and they do sometimes take a bit to get to you, but I have found that they try to accommodate one's needs to the extent that they can. I often find its much more convenient to do /who all dial than to try and find a druid of sufficient level using /who all druid <level range> and hoping that they will be willing to port me.

I have a druid myself. I know that when I'm on him and not in /roleplay mode, I get bombarded by tells and I can only imagine what the folks at dial a port get. I think they provide a valuable service to the server. Just my two cp worth.

[AgentEpilot]

i have other reasons, this is just an example

What are the other reasons apart from "wahhh a guy wouldn't port me in an online video game where people can make their own decisions"

[phacemeltar]

i dont think i ever complained about not getting a port

[dallow2345]

really this is what bothers you? if you dont like them dont use them.

[phacemeltar]

i really dont have the patience to try and explain this in explicit detail, but i thought id try to at least respond. my issue with dialaport is that they are too convenient to compete with. the majority of players will skip the "/w all druid 39 45" step and go directly to "/w all dial" step. the only way to profit from porting is basically to join them, which means that you must remove your porter from the guild that they were already in or suffer low client base on an already underpopulated server.

im not speaking from the perspective of someone who is on their 5th - 10th alt, but instead in defense of those new players who made a druid or wizard as a starter character in order to get finances to support a tank class or healer (which has been suggested in many guides). not only does this mean that the guild you joined to level up with is short another member, but now you are in a guild with only porters.

i worry about how this "almost mandatory" decision reflects on new players. everquest is a multiplayer game, and guild-interactions can be some of the most memorable ones to be made. leveling guilds will frequently post LFM adverts in guild chat for some of the best content the game has to offer. also, druids can make decent healers in a pinch, and this means that there will be less druids in guilds at a level range where clerics are not the most common, and most shaman are soloing.

lets not forget that due to a lack of groups and a surplus of platinum, alot of druids turn to soloing. soloing is great xp, and can net you lots of loot, but not grouping during the 30s and 40s might leave some newer players a little lost when it comes to the mechanics introduced during that level range.

i do not approve of dialaport because their motto should be "leave your guild or be poor" and i think thats bad for server health on a game that thrives on multiplayer interaction.

[Expediency]

my issue with dialaport is that they are too convenient to compete with. the majority of players will skip the "/w all druid 39 45" step and go directly to "/w all dial" step. the only way to profit from porting is basically to join them, which means that you must remove your porter from the guild that they were already in or suffer low client base on an already underpopulated server.


lets not forget that due to a lack of groups and a surplus of platinum, alot of druids turn to soloing. soloing is great xp, and can net you lots of loot, but not grouping during the 30s and 40s might leave some newer players a little lost when it comes to the mechanics introduced during that level range.


First paragraph is wrong, see the third post in this thread.

Also my main is a druid and nobody wants druids in groups for the most part unless they are the only healing option available.

Lastly why talk trash for druids soloing but not shamans, who are similar healers?

[phacemeltar]

First paragraph is wrong, see the third post in this thread.

not sure what u mean


Lastly why talk trash for druids soloing but not shamans, who are similar healers?

people rarely roll shaman to make money porting people

[AgentEpilot]

i really dont have the patience to try and explain this in explicit detail


But types a half page.

[phacemeltar]

But types a half page.

thanks for reading ;)

[Nixtar]

Don't get it. Every time I turn off anon I get flooded with port requests.

[joppykid]

We will disband immediately for your convenience

[dallow2345]

You could do that but then when people type /WHO ALL DIAL to get a port they might not find one. Its nice to know /WHO ALL DIAL is there when you need a ride fast. Just because some dont like /WHO ALL DIAL doesn't mean everyone feels that way. i have had many tell me how much they appreciate /WHO ALL DIAL.
thank you for the free advertising space. carry on.

[AgentEpilot]

We will disband immediately for your convenience

WTB Dial a Rez

[Tupakk]

i really dont have the patience to try and explain this in explicit detail, but i thought id try to at least respond. my issue with dialaport is that they are too convenient to compete with. the majority of players will skip the "/w all druid 39 45" step and go directly to "/w all dial" step. the only way to profit from porting is basically to join them, which means that you must remove your porter from the guild that they were already in or suffer low client base on an already underpopulated server.

im not speaking from the perspective of someone who is on their 5th - 10th alt, but instead in defense of those new players who made a druid or wizard as a starter character in order to get finances to support a tank class or healer (which has been suggested in many guides). not only does this mean that the guild you joined to level up with is short another member, but now you are in a guild with only porters.

i worry about how this "almost mandatory" decision reflects on new players. everquest is a multiplayer game, and guild-interactions can be some of the most memorable ones to be made. leveling guilds will frequently post LFM adverts in guild chat for some of the best content the game has to offer. also, druids can make decent healers in a pinch, and this means that there will be less druids in guilds at a level range where clerics are not the most common, and most shaman are soloing.

lets not forget that due to a lack of groups and a surplus of platinum, alot of druids turn to soloing. soloing is great xp, and can net you lots of loot, but not grouping during the 30s and 40s might leave some newer players a little lost when it comes to the mechanics introduced during that level range.

i do not approve of dialaport because their motto should be "leave your guild or be poor" and i think thats bad for server health on a game that thrives on multiplayer interaction.


I'm glad to finally see your real reason to hate our guild. But you couldn't be father from the truth.

Most of e people that join us move on to bigger and better guilds. I'm sorry that you stuck your Druid alt in the same guild but if you did that and expect to make loads of plat you are sadly mistaken. Anyone in whatever guild your in will tell you that openly and if not they are sparing your feelings. In this day and age if you only have contact within your guild chat your guild isn't doing it right anywyas and if they don't know you Druid alt you are doing enough for them to bother.

I'm sorry that our guild is as awesome as it is, but you know what we have worked hard for what we do and we will continue to work hard to serve this box this the day it closes cause yes the money is nice but it's more for the interactions with the players and having fun.

We will continue, we will thrive and will will stay alive. #DAP

[pathius41]

I see plenty of druids doing just fine porting around advertising there service with out a DaP tag. With our with out the tag you will do just fine imo.

Why does everything you post Phacemelter have to be doom and gloom?

[Bboboo]

Just port unwanted people to Toxx, it's what I did.

[lowner411]

Amid a flamefest about Dial-a-Port (buried in a larger flamefest about electoral politics) I had a reasoned discussion with someone about Dial-a-Port. I appreciate the convenience, knowing that anyone who has the tag up should be willing to accept a request for a port, but a /who all druid 39 55 might turn up a bunch of druids who are not interested.

However, I also realize that I might be ignoring those new players who are trying to earn a plat or two to fund their characters. Which is fine--I want to support new players. That said, if new players are creating druids to level up to porting age, so they can make money porting, so they can twink the character they really want to play ... then I am less inclined to want to support them. Of course, I can't tell who is who, so ...

If I want a port--I go to the zone I want a port from, preferably one with a ring. I ask in /ooc if anyone is porting, and state what I can tip for the port. If no one responds, then I might look to to DaP or start using the /who all druid 39+ route. Not sure.

One thing we can all do, and something I do if I am in a zone for a while. If someone comes and advertises ports, and someone else later is looking for a port, I recommend the porter who advertised.

Just my two cents.

[big_ole_jpn]

I have never had a bad experience with Dial A Port.

i play really fucking casually and i have had multiple bad experiences. Guild seems to be filled with illiterants and complete retards.

case studies:

1. send tell to DaP member requesting port with specifics included. only reply received is "sec" (I immediately get another port because that tell is meaningless). 5 or 10 minutes later, after I've received a port and run the rest of the way to my destination, a butthurt "where are you, why did you waste my time" from the "sec" guy.

2. request port, pay 50p up front, only person in porter's group. Get detoured to a different zone to pick someone else up first (without porter saying anything). Game lags out on zone to WC instead of the DL port I requested, and when I log back in porter nowhere to be seen.

3. many weird creepy tells received from basement dwellers butthurt about my "Tell a Port" tag and telling me to join the hive. Frustrated that my tag is actually a semi-clever pun and yours is gay nerd stuff?

[Tankwipe]

i play really fucking casually and i have had multiple bad experiences. Guild seems to be filled with illiterants and complete retards.

lol

[phacemeltar]

Why does everything you post Phacemelter have to be doom and gloom?

acting optimistic is a waste of my time, the only things worth discussing are things needing improvement.

[backsteppin123]

acting optimistic is a waste of my time, the only things worth discussing are things needing improvement.

Like your QQ whiny attitude slandering people on a forum playing the game the way they're allowed to play? You're not making any friends here. You been preaching this for weeks in EC, you have gone full retard. Never go full retard. Must be such a pleasure to be around IRL.

[Lhancelot]

i play really fucking casually and i have had multiple bad experiences. Guild seems to be filled with illiterants and complete retards.

case studies:

1. send tell to DaP member requesting port with specifics included. only reply received is "sec" (I immediately get another port because that tell is meaningless). 5 or 10 minutes later, after I've received a port and run the rest of the way to my destination, a butthurt "where are you, why did you waste my time" from the "sec" guy.

2. request port, pay 50p up front, only person in porter's group. Get detoured to a different zone to pick someone else up first (without porter saying anything). Game lags out on zone to WC instead of the DL port I requested, and when I log back in porter nowhere to be seen.

3. many weird creepy tells received from basement dwellers butthurt about my "Tell a Port" tag and telling me to join the hive. Frustrated that my tag is actually a semi-clever pun and yours is gay nerd stuff?

I think DaP members all do their services differently, kind of like how anyone working does their job a little differently than their coworkers.

For instance, some of them seem to keep a lengthy list of people in a queue for ports, while others pick you up and turn their tag off meaning they won't get any more tells for ports.

The ones who keep small queues of people waiting are quicker to respond I would guess.

Some of them also might try to coordinate more routes with one another to try to maximize their use of mana, while others may keep their port routes simple using more mana on ports but making it a faster pickup for those who have requested them for a port.

Also, you got to understand, they are not simply running people for money. They also get random tells to pick up lowbies, people send them tells for CRs which often times are more complex than just taking them to one spot and leaving them. CRs will require sow, see invis, invis, possibly a levi, and maybe even partial escort and DaP does all of this for free.

Anyway, it's pretty simple. If you don't like the guild or their service, simply do not use them. I think the majority of players on the server won't share your animosity towards DaP though, because most people have pleasant dealings with them apparently.

[phacemeltar]

breaking news:

Rosco is my hero. I'm glad he stood up to this bard. You can only take so much abuse from players who screw you on fees. Dial a Port doesn't work for tips, we work for fees. We port you, you pay us. The fee is 1 platinum per level. If you have a problem with that, then walk, run or wait 30 mins for a boat and do enjoy the long boat ride cheapskate.

As a member of Dial a Port and I can tell you that bards are consistently tip the lowest of all classes. These are the very same bards that charge players 2.5k plat an hour for bard powerleveling service. It's fucking ridiculous.

However, not all bards are bad tippers. There are some good ones.

Also, bards are the biggest abusers of free corpse retrieval ports too since they are always dying due to their risky playstyle i.e. swarm kiting.

If you fail to tip a DAP member or screw us with a low fee then you will be put on /ignore and everyone in DAP will add you to their /ignore list. So think twice before you decide to be a cheap bastard and not pay us because it will be your last DAP port.

Without DAP and the good people that spend hours of their precious free time porting players this server would come to a screeching halt. Raids would have a hard time assembling without the additional assistance of DAP porters.

DAP members are hard working decent folks who bust their asses porting players 24/7. We could be out having fun but instead we choose to provide a unique paid, professional service to players. We help players all the time with additional services that provide Evacs, Pickups, Bind Affinity, SoW, Levitate, Invis and See Invis just to name a few. We perform deeds of kindness that you will never hear about such as 96% rezzes and ports to newbies.

[AgentEpilot]

Lol doubt this is legit, also its Rozcoe not Rosco, surely a member of DAP would be able to spell the man's name right.

[applesauce25r624]

this makes me want to harass druids/wizards on my bard even more

good job fanning the flames

[pathius41]

this makes me want to harass druids/wizards on my bard even more

good job fanning the flames

So what you are saying is " I'm a giant douche bag who lives in mommies basement and the only way I can enjoy myself is to ruin others fun" Gotcha, noted

[Poetic]

Easy resolution:

a) If you think Roscoe is a badass hero.. add him to your friends him and ask him specifically for ports when he is online and throw him a little extra on top for your ports when you can.

b) If you think Roscoe is a classist, racist scumbag.. Put him on ignore and shun him.

I chose a

[Smurflogik]

this makes me want to harass druids/wizards on my bard even more

good job fanning the flames

I am not a swarm kiter, but after the past couple days, I'm starting to consider it...

[Alanus]

I am a DAP member. When I am doing business (i.e. anon is off), it's not uncommon to have 5-6 people in the queue. Often it can get real busy and hectic trying to coordinate it, while trying to minimize people's waiting times. I try to go first-tell, first-port, but sometimes it makes more sense to go out of order (i.e. if a guy wants SRo to WC, and another guy wants WC to Iceclad, it makes sense to do the SRo to WC to IceClad route, even if that isn't the order the tells were received). It's not uncommon for someone to say "X needs SRo to WC" in guildchat, and then someone takes it. When I an overwhelmed, I will put up anonymous again while I get my queue down, but sometimes I forget. I also do my best to keep people updated on how long it'll be, but again, sometimes things come up or it makes sense to change it.

Then, in the middle of porting that queue of 5-6 people, you get a tell asking for a CR port (which is free) or an evac across SG (takes up considerable time and mana). We try to keep your waiting time to a minimum, but it can get difficult when you are getting a lot of tells quickly. Also, cussing me out because I am not bound at OT ramp or won't run across DL with you to ejac you (when I have 5 people waiting on ports) doesn't help.

Also, I port anyone. I don't blacklist people because if I am port whoring for cash, I like getting business.

[phacemeltar]

Phacemeltar is a server hero and if he blacklists your guild, you are in for trouble
although the lone-wolf playstyle suits me best, i am considering putting an application in to the white council for knighthood.

[Jontheripper]

I like dial a port because once they came around my tells from random players in random zones asking me for ports has dropped almost completely. When they first came out and constantly advertised in ooc id send every no tipping newb needing a port for CR their way.

t. Frilbo Baggins

[nectarprime]

Anyone who has something bad to say about DAP is an idiot.

[Dartmon6511]

"bad for server health"... Literally move hundreds of players each day from zone to zone moving the economy along, letting people gain exp faster by getting to where they need to be, and whatever else they need.

But you're right, one druid thinking he has the freedom of choice in a video game makes the entire enterprise of doing porting deeds for hundreds of players is "bad".

QQ and literally delete your account.

[zillabunny]

I like dial a port because once they came around my tells from random players in random zones asking me for ports has dropped almost completely. When they first came out and constantly advertised in ooc id send every no tipping newb needing a port for CR their way.

t. Frilbo Baggins

Thanks for th buffs tonight in unrest!

[rollin5k]

Bards are bad for server health. "I got to 30 levels in a week bro" ... Says every bard

[Lhancelot]

Bards are bad for server health. "I got to 30 levels in a week bro" ... Says every bard

If it takes a bard a whole week to get to 30, they are doing it wrong. :p

[applesauce25r624]

Bards are bad for server health. "I got to 30 levels in a week bro" ... Says every bard

some of us played bards in classic and we just want to level up fast instead of playing with plebs

[pathius41]

some of us played bards in classic and we just want to level up fast instead of playing with plebs

And that comment right there is why bards have the stigma they have.

[Zuranthium]

"bad for server health"... Literally move hundreds of players each day from zone to zone moving the economy along, letting people gain exp faster by getting to where they need to be, and whatever else they need.

What you describe isn't the intent of the game. It's not supposed be about constantly moving around instantly from point A to point B to just farm more shit and powerlevel faster.

[Tupakk]

What you describe isn't the intent of the game. It's not supposed be about constantly moving around instantly from point A to point B to just farm more shit and powerlevel faster.

To some people that is exactly the reason that they play the game. And we provide player the ability to do that.

If this wasn't the intent of a Druid and Wizard then why give them porting abilities at all?

[Crawdad]

What you describe isn't the intent of the game. It's not supposed be about constantly moving around instantly from point A to point B to just farm more shit and powerlevel faster.

That's... moronic. Druids and wizards both port and were designed around having access to "fast travel" for their group. This is no different than the roaming guilds of Mana burning wizards we saw on live, pre-nerf.

Edit to add: And bards are a shadow here of what they were on live... so many niche abilities and little things you could do by knowing how the class "worked." Here the majority just want to see how fast they can solo.

[Sorn]

If this wasn't the intent of a Druid and Wizard then why give them porting abilities at all?

Excuse you, my druid is not a mindless portbot! I think it's time you learn how to play the class you've been exploiting for money :| I challenge you to duo with my monk and get Afeni up to 49 without PLing!

[Tupakk]

Excuse you, my druid is not a mindless portbot! I think it's time you learn how to play the class you've been exploiting for money :| I challenge you to duo with my monk and get Afeni up to 49 without PLing!

Lol so t twist my words. No way did I say we're all portbots merely saying why give us the ability for fast travel if it wasn't the intent to travel fast. ;)

[Zuranthium]

That's... moronic. Druids and wizards both port and were designed around having access to "fast travel" for their group. This is no different than the roaming guilds of Mana burning wizards we saw on live, pre-nerf.

Mana burning Wizards isn't classic and that is still different; a group of Wizards working together for a shared self-interest. Yes, Druids and Wizards were designed to have fast travel for THEIR GROUP. Obviously either of these classes can choose to port people around on their own whim as well, and people learned to do /who all wizard or druid to find ports, but never was it the intent to have "Dial-a-Port" and never was that how the game actually played in Classic. Druids and Wizards were mostly busy trying to, you know, actually play the game themselves.

There is a reason why Plane of Knowledge was so terrible for the game and why nobody who actually understands classic Everquest wants that kind of porting mechanic in the game. "Dial-a-Port" isn't quite so bad as PoK, but similar in its degradation of the core values of the game.

I would advise you not to use the word moronic, you'll just have egg on your face with the line of argumentation you're trying to present.

[Crawdad]

Mana burning Wizards isn't classic and that is still different
Classic in the sense that once it was in game, gallivanting bands of wizards mana burning down targets was a thing (until the nerfs). SKs did the same thing.

Yes, Druids and Wizards were designed to have fast travel for THEIR GROUP.
So you're saying Druids never advertised ports on Live, or...? A druid's "group" for porting has always been "whoever wants a port." Players organizing guilds and groups (even all the same class) has always been a thing.

I would advise you not to use the word moronic, you'll just have egg on your face with the line of argumentation you're trying to present.:rolleyes: You may have been gone a while but your post quality remains the same.

[Sorn]

The perception of the server is that druids are portbots and soloers, in part because so many make druid alts for DaP and to level up they do just that. Same for wizards.

I don't think that was the intent behind giving those classes ports.

also fight me IRL Tupakk >:(

[Crawdad]

The perception of the server is that druids are portbots and soloers, in part because so many make druid alts for DaP and to level up they do just that. Same for wizards.

I don't think that was the intent behind giving those classes ports.

also fight me IRL Tupakk >:(

I think the problem stems from Druid being one of the classes everyone gets told to roll then use to twink "what you really want to play." So you see a lot of people who have no interest in playing Druid other than as a tool to make money. Its a shame, since Druid is a great class in general.

[Zuranthium]

Classic in the sense that once it was in game, gallivanting bands of wizards mana burning down targets was a thing (until the nerfs).

Again, groups of Wizards doing that has nothing to with everyone in the game being able to easily port. What a ridiculous fail of logic to call something classic for that reason as well. Countless things from Luclin and beyond eras were "in the game"...you don't have a valid point.

So you're saying Druids never advertised ports on Live, or...?

There was no mechanism in place for porters to instantly be connected to everyone in the World for a port. Port classes had to advertise per zone and people had to manually do /who all searches and PM each individual player to find a port. Again, even beyond that, port classes were busier trying to actually play the game to begin with. Not just do nothing but port while waiting in queue to do mass AoE power-level.

your post quality remains the same

Superior quality, yes.

[Nune]

Again, groups of Wizards doing that has nothing to with everyone in the game being able to easily port. What a ridiculous fail of logic to call something classic for that reason as well. Countless things from Luclin and beyond eras were "in the game"...you don't have a valid point.



There was no mechanism in place for porters to instantly be connected to everyone in the World for a port. Port classes had to advertise per zone and people had to manually do /who all searches and PM each individual player to find a port. Again, even beyond that, port classes were busier trying to actually play the game to begin with. Not just do nothing but port while waiting in queue to do mass AoE power-level.



Superior quality, yes.

While agreeing with you here, I feel like you're kind of omitting the fact EQ was a "new" game during classic. A huge chunk of the P99 pop was between 10-18 when they played on live. There were Tradeskill guilds on live, you would generally ask someone with that tag for crafting before /who'ing. Plus, theres an easily accessible archive of knowledge on this era of EQ that was being learned during live, you couldnt just google search it.

[Cecily]

I think the problem stems from Druid being one of the classes everyone gets told to roll then use to twink "what you really want to play." So you see a lot of people who have no interest in playing Druid other than as a tool to make money. Its a shame, since Druid is a great class in general.

Just to be contrary, I mained a rogue and used her to twink my druid. Honestly, I find druids to be awful money makers unless you use them to power level. Rolling a solo class to play what you really want to play is such horrible advice. Levels are what get you gear. That goes for any class. People should just play what they want.

[pathius41]

Here is a novel idea. If you don't like ports? WALK your happy ass where you want to go. Not everyone has to play the way YOU want to play. As far as porting people around for plat not being classic? I call BS. I was there from day one and remember druids sitting at rings taking plat for ports. Just because someone had brains to organize makes it unclassic? wtf are you smoking?

[Zuranthium]

I feel like you're kind of omitting the fact EQ was a "new" game during classic.

Well, yes, the game is too outdated now. Regardless that doesn't change how the things people are doing these days are bad for the game. This just goes to show why a "coded for classic intent" EQ server is needed, though. The current game is pretty much only an empty time sink at this point, after the initial nostalgia blast.

[joppykid]

Here is a novel idea. If you don't like ports? WALK your happy ass where you want to go. Not everyone has to play the way YOU want to play. As far as porting people around for plat not being classic? I call BS. I was there from day one and remember druids sitting at rings taking plat for ports. Just because someone had brains to organize makes it unclassic? wtf are you smoking?

I like this guy

[pathius41]

I like this guy

Thanks! I like me too

[aetherphalanx]

Not only did druids sit around the rings porting people, but people would set up SOW camps for money as well.

Hell, we used to (as druids) run around to the camps as mobile bankers, cashing out change for plat, buying bronze weaps, fs weaps and gating them back to town for a fee. 10% charge to bank, so people didnt have to give up their camps or spots in groups.

There were entire economies built off of the "services" of druids.

[tirfup11]

I just came here to say fuck the bards

[Expediency]

There was no mechanism in place for porters to instantly be connected to everyone in the World for a port. Port classes had to advertise per zone and people had to manually do /who all searches and PM each individual player to find a port. Again, even beyond that, port classes were busier trying to actually play the game to begin with. Not just do nothing but port while waiting in queue to do mass AoE power-level.



The entire point of this game is that its a sandbox. There have been raiding, tradeskill, and roleplaying guilds since the launch of EQ. Porting is a tradeskill. How you can think that a group of people binding together to offer a classic service is not classic is beyond my understanding. Do you believe <cracked staff artisans> or <dirty gnoll brewing company> are bad for norrath too? Whats the difference between them and dial a port other than the size of the entity and its amount of business?

Also the obvious answer of: if you dont like them, dont deal with them. I openly advertise against dial a port and try not to ever use their services, but arguing that its not classic is just lol to me.

[ld420]

Mana burning Wizards isn't classic and that is still different; a group of Wizards working together for a shared self-interest. Yes, Druids and Wizards were designed to have fast travel for THEIR GROUP. Obviously either of these classes can choose to port people around on their own whim as well, and people learned to do /who all wizard or druid to find ports, but never was it the intent to have "Dial-a-Port" and never was that how the game actually played in Classic. Druids and Wizards were mostly busy trying to, you know, actually play the game themselves.

There is a reason why Plane of Knowledge was so terrible for the game and why nobody who actually understands classic Everquest wants that kind of porting mechanic in the game. "Dial-a-Port" isn't quite so bad as PoK, but similar in its degradation of the core values of the game.

I would advise you not to use the word moronic, you'll just have egg on your face with the line of argumentation you're trying to present.

You want us to take you seriously, yet you use PoK as a comparison to Dial A Port? Do we get direct ports to ANY city on P99? No. Not even close to being PoK like. You dont click a druid and instantly port right to a major city. You get a port, and hoof it to wherever you need to go.

Designed around "THEIR GROUP"? Are you stupid? You have to be in their group to fucking port you momo. Working as intended. And fyi, im not going to hold your hand and google it, but on Morell Thule before Velious even happened we had a guild of porters JUST like Dial a Port. There were also guilds on Fennin, as well as Sol Ro, and Vazaelle, to name a few. No...it neeeeeever happened in classic.

If the devs didn't like the way ports were being used in classic, they would have made them take rediculous amounts of mana, and put shit on a long cooldown, like they did a lot of spells and items from back in the day. Classic EQ was a hotbed of emergent sandboxy gameplay. The devs were quick to fix crap they didint like. I assure you the developers of early EQ understood what classic EQ was like, far better than you ever will. I highly doubt you ever even played classic EQ. You talk like someone who started playing post PoP, and googled your bullshit. Go back to WoW, we dont need you here.

[aetherphalanx]

I don't understand the negative perception to be honest. Aside from what? The ability to organize labor and establish agreed upon "fees" for services? What is the difference between every druid and wizard in the game being in one guild, or spread across a bunch of guilds, in terms of it's effect of "porting services" to the server?

I don't understand the logic.

[joppykid]

You want us to take you seriously, yet you use PoK as a comparison to Dial A Port? Do we get direct ports to ANY city on P99? No. Not even close to being PoK like. You dont click a druid and instantly port right to a major city. You get a port, and hoof it to wherever you need to go.

Hahahaha. I just picture a halfling wearing a helm that looks like a book now. Maybe if you click a Book of Obulus this will port to PoK?!

[Achilles93]

You want us to take you seriously, yet you use PoK as a comparison to Dial A Port? Do we get direct ports to ANY city on P99? No. Not even close to being PoK like. You dont click a druid and instantly port right to a major city. You get a port, and hoof it to wherever you need to go.

The devs were quick to fix crap they didint like.

Was the fire pot room in TD Classic? I actually don't know, does anyone else? It's interesting they had the fire pot room, then later restricted binding there and then reintroduced a similar idea on a far larger and more accessible state in POK (non classic I know, but many of the same minds were involved. They viewed POK, rightly or wrongly, as an improvement in game play).

Just trying to collect all the facts on the topic so the discussion is as realistic as possible.

[nyclin]

firepots are 100% classic but you were only able to bind there for about 4 days on live: http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000428.html

[fadetree]

I love DAP. I'll grab a free-roaming Druid if I see one, but having DAP on call is heaven.

[weaseal]

Please petition. They need to be shut down.
Wait so, Rozcoe hates all bard, so you hate all DAP. Hmm, I see a pattern here... Yeah, Rozcoe had some bad ideas, and he is no longer with the guild. So why judge the rest of us based on his actions?

[Skinned]

Replace Bards with black people lol what a stupid thing to say. Black people don't ruin every zone they're in, just make the property values go down for racist banks.

[Vidar]

I just came here to say fuck the bards

+1

[AgentEpilot]

^ +1

[Priceline]

Replace Bards with black people lol what a stupid thing to say. Black people don't ruin every zone they're in, just make the property values go down for racist banks.

Bards stealin all the white man's air

[phacemeltar]

Wait so, Rozcoe hates all bard, so you hate all DAP. Hmm, I see a pattern here... Yeah, Rozcoe had some bad ideas, and he is no longer with the guild. So why judge the rest of us based on his actions?

im judging the guild as a whole. also, at the time of this post, Rozcoe was in dialaport. im not convinced that his removal was anything more than a publicity stunt.

[Jimjam]

Dial a Port is a very poor booze delivery service.

I shall be starting a competing guild, Ring a Rum.

[Fung_Quellious]

Away from EQ like 7 years and I'm pretty interested into getting back to a classics server.
Started a new char was looking for a port to kelethin since was told there are lots of beginners in zone.

Got a port from DAP and offered me couples pps to start with, nice peeps

[Fung_Quellious]

Away from EQ like 7 years and I'm pretty interested into getting back to a classics server.
Started a new char and was told DAP would could help.

Got a free port to kelethin and got offered couples of PPs to start with, nice guy, forgot his name sorry

[Jaleth]

We really don't condone PUI. But if it floats your boat =)

[Tupakk]

Away from EQ like 7 years and I'm pretty interested into getting back to a classics server.
Started a new char and was told DAP would could help.

Got a free port to kelethin and got offered couples of PPs to start with, nice guy, forgot his name sorry

I'm happy to hear you got a port and some plat tossed your way. Also welcome to the server.

[LordRayken]

So, I just literally randomly /tell druids that can TP me or bind me.
99% have done it for free and without hesitation.

Most people on project 99 are very friendly and helpful.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

My issue with Dial A Port is encountering them while they are exping. It should be no surprise that this kind of guild attracts some of the stupidest players in the game. Porting around people instead of exping at money camps says it all. I have encountered some of their members killing the gnolls at split paw for their scrolls to exp off of.... At level 45.... Thereby depriving lower level players the exp from killing gnolls. I have seen their Druids root rotting mobs that normal Druids and wizards quad. I have met a few members from the guild that are competent players but the vast majority of them are slow adults.

[Heavenzoutcast]

My issue with Dial A Port is encountering them while they are exping. It should be no surprise that this kind of guild attracts some of the stupidest players in the game. Porting around people instead of exping at money camps says it all. I have encountered some of their members killing the gnolls at split paw for their scrolls to exp off of.... At level 45.... Thereby depriving lower level players the exp from killing gnolls. I have seen their Druids root rotting mobs that normal Druids and wizards quad. I have met a few members from the guild that are competent players but the vast majority of them are slow adults.

So let me get this straight, being a service and porting people for money instead camping places like everyone else is stupid? Then you say you see others camping gnolls and want to bitch about that? That's sort of a double negative isn't it? Kinda damned if they do, damned if they don't. You my friend need help. That or take your sorry ass to red and never come back.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

So let me get this straight, being a service and porting people for money instead camping places like everyone else is stupid? Then you say you see others camping gnolls and want to bitch about that? That's sort of a double negative isn't it? Kinda damned if they do, damned if they don't. You my friend need help. That or take your sorry ass to red and never come back.

I don't even know where to begin with you. You must be another one of these slow adults. It may come as a shock to you, but there are much faster ways to gain plat than porting people around for scraps. Reading comprehension would go a long ways towards making you not come across as a slope-browed mouth breather. I think it is you who need the help, of the ESL variety. =)

[maskedmelon]

I guess you never played a root dotting class or you just failed at it.
Root dotting is a very relaxing way of exping and you can focus on other stuff while playing at the same time.
You be surprised how many raiding guild alts are in DaP, they probably use DaP as a down time guild to relax between the raiding days.

Now THERE is an endorsement ^^

[ZiggyTheMuss]

I guess you never played a root dotting class or you just failed at it.
Root dotting is a very relaxing way of exping and you can focus on other stuff while playing at the same time.
You be surprised how many raiding guild alts are in DaP, they probably use DaP as a down time guild to relax between the raiding days.

Lol is it even possible for one to fail at root rotting something? When I see someone root rot mobs that are typically quadded by that same class (and thereby not even keeping the whole camp down) I just cringe. If they want to root rot mobs, again, there are better options out there.

[maskedmelon]

Lol is it even possible for one to fail at root rotting something? When I see someone root rot mobs that are typically quadded by that same class (and thereby not even keeping the whole camp down) I just cringe. If they want to root rot mobs, again, there are better options out there.

You know there is more than one way to play a class. I mean, if want to take out my animation, drop a Boon of the Garou and Haste, Berserker Strength and Rune # on myself, then go to town stun locking greens with my incandescent wand because it makes me feel more like a tank, what's wrong with that?

[thufir]

My issue with Dial A Port is encountering them while they are exping. It should be no surprise that this kind of guild attracts some of the stupidest players in the game. Porting around people instead of exping at money camps says it all. I have encountered some of their members killing the gnolls at split paw for their scrolls to exp off of.... At level 45.... Thereby depriving lower level players the exp from killing gnolls. I have seen their Druids root rotting mobs that normal Druids and wizards quad. I have met a few members from the guild that are competent players but the vast majority of them are slow adults.

this is the whole server. people in CoM until their low 50s? people in KC into their high 50s at camps like LCY?

it's just how it is around here. this has nothing to do with DaP. most of the server is straight up risk averse. and to be fair, this is how it was on live too.

[xKoopa]

Im confused how porting people around is for "scraps"

I knew a guy who made about 80k in 2-3 weeks porting in his free time

[Jimjam]

You know there is more than one way to play a class. I mean, if want to take out my animation, drop a Boon of the Garou and Haste, Berserker Strength and Rune # on myself, then go to town stun locking greens with my incandescent wand because it makes me feel more like a tank, what's wrong with that?

On the subject of inefficient strategies (e.g. not aoe kiting gnolls), it can be done out of consideration. I levelled my wizard to 45(!) on gnoll scrolls. I could quad if I wanted, but doing so monopolises most of the spawns in a popular levelling area, so instead I facetankspamnuked my way to being a gnoll scroll collection tychoon. Hell, to the later levels when some of the mobs were starting not to be XP I could even PBAoE down more than 4 if I wanted, but didn't because that would be a dick move to all the other people wanting to use gnolls.

That said, if you want to root rot gnolls the best spot is probably at the 2 spawn near hermit. One of those is higher level, the other can match that level (but sometimes is a little lower). If you end up with too much mana Cyclops, centaur chargers and treants can path in the area too.

this is the whole server. people in CoM until their low 50s? people in KC into their high 50s at camps like LCY?

it's just how it is around here. this has nothing to do with DaP. most of the server is straight up risk averse. and to be fair, this is how it was on live too.

Yea, this is kinda funny. My warrior got advised not to go to Seb till after 55. So, when I did eventually go at 56 lots of the stuff we were killing was green! Easy to kill, mitigated it well and good xp though.

[Pumpedup]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222555

this is the saddest shit I have ever read here

[fadetree]

You need to read more.

[Gumbo]

Im confused how porting people around is for "scraps"

I knew a guy who made about 80k in 2-3 weeks porting in his free time

There is no way he can make 80,000 platinum in 2-3 weeks porting and in his free time. I have spent some Friday and or Saturday afternoons/nights porting players and maybe walked away with 800-1000 after 8 or 9 hours.

Your making it sound like he was charging people a set rate and they paid it for the port or players were paying him a few hundred platinum per port.

[Beckoning]

I pretty much only port although I have been working on my shaman on the side. I also am a nerd so I like to keep track of things. For Mr. Gumbo above who said you can't make a lot in a short period porting, please see the attached image. This is from a porting session I grinded out in July - 73K in 26 days. Technically not 80K in 2 - 3 weeks but it was close and I was getting burnt out at the end.

https://postimg.org/image/wj8m63oah/

[Metalopolis]

There is no way he can make 80,000 platinum in 2-3 weeks porting and in his free time. I have spent some Friday and or Saturday afternoons/nights porting players and maybe walked away with 800-1000 after 8 or 9 hours.

That's EXTREMELY low revenues. I'd say that my Wizzy averages 500pp/hour during "peak hours" weekdays, and peak hour weekends can often EXCEED 1000pp/hour.

4-500 seems to generally be the rough average for most DAPers.

[skarlorn]

There is no way he can make 80,000 platinum in 2-3 weeks porting and in his free time. I have spent some Friday and or Saturday afternoons/nights porting players and maybe walked away with 800-1000 after 8 or 9 hours.

Your making it sound like he was charging people a set rate and they paid it for the port or players were paying him a few hundred platinum per port.
I've never played a porter class and can guarantee if you're making 100pp an hr you are doing it wrong and also wasting your time.

[Gumbo]

I pretty much only port although I have been working on my shaman on the side. I also am a nerd so I like to keep track of things. For Mr. Gumbo above who said you can't make a lot in a short period porting, please see the attached image. This is from a porting session I grinded out in July - 73K in 26 days. Technically not 80K in 2 - 3 weeks but it was close and I was getting burnt out at the end.

https://postimg.org/image/wj8m63oah/

That's EXTREMELY low revenues. I'd say that my Wizzy averages 500pp/hour during "peak hours" weekdays, and peak hour weekends can often EXCEED 1000pp/hour.

4-500 seems to generally be the rough average for most DAPers.

I'm not looking for a fight but I would love to meet the players you are porting and see how much they are paying you per port? The most I have ever gotten was 100pp and that was because I picked the player up and took him to a new zone.

If it's so easy to make 73K in 26 days then who wouldn't take the time to just port people around instead of grinding it out and buy everything they wanted.

Do you guys playing like 16 hours a day? Do you charge a set rate to port?

[Beckoning]

I'm not looking for a fight but I would love to meet the players you are porting and see how much they are paying you per port? The most I have ever gotten was 100pp and that was because I picked the player up and took him to a new zone.

If it's so easy to make 73K in 26 days then who wouldn't take the time to just port people around instead of grinding it out and buy everything they wanted.

Do you guys playing like 16 hours a day?

I'm not sure that I said it was easy and I did put a lot of time in it - obviously less on work days, which the daily spread of my tables would show. I would say the average port is around 30 - 40 pp. My best tip ever was a druid staff drop off of Cazic Thule and my worst is 0 pp, which is fairly uncommon fortunately.

[Gumbo]

I've never played a porter class and can guarantee if you're making 100pp an hr you are doing it wrong and also wasting your time.

What do think most players pay for ports? Most are paying on average between 10-30 per port. Maybe I have bad luck with players who want ports but they are paying now 200-400pp per port.

[Valura]

hi im a lvl 60 monk w/ epic and fungi and i tipped 0 monies for a port. hahahahahahaha

[Crawdad]

My issue with Dial A Port is encountering them while they are exping. It should be no surprise that this kind of guild attracts some of the stupidest players in the game. Porting around people instead of exping at money camps says it all. I have encountered some of their members killing the gnolls at split paw for their scrolls to exp off of.... At level 45.... Thereby depriving lower level players the exp from killing gnolls. I have seen their Druids root rotting mobs that normal Druids and wizards quad. I have met a few members from the guild that are competent players but the vast majority of them are slow adults.

This whole rant is wrong.

Porting people has a (potentially) great mana to plat ratio. 300mana for 10-100p is better than most all vendor trash camps. And you can alt-tab out, chat with friends or generally not pay attention while you do it.

Gnoll scrolls are amazing Exp 45+ unless its been nerfed. I don't know who might be "depriving lower levels" from gnolls, I suspect you're just projecting. Most people just bind in hand-in and then port to NK->SK and auction to buy the things.

And why do you care how people Exp? Sometimes its nice to quad, sometimes its nice to lazily root rot. Sometimes its fun to charm. Not sure why you seem to care, but that's just one of the great parts about being a druid, we have tons of options to level.

You just seem mad. I only log on my druid to goof around and help people out, and I know I'm not the only one. Porting for some plat on the side is just a bonus.

I'm not looking for a fight but I would love to meet the players you are porting and see how much they are paying you per port? The most I have ever gotten was 100pp and that was because I picked the player up and took him to a new zone.

If it's so easy to make 73K in 26 days then who wouldn't take the time to just port people around instead of grinding it out and buy everything they wanted.

Do you guys playing like 16 hours a day? Do you charge a set rate to port?


73k in 26 days is ~3k plat per day. There are tons of camps out there you could do and earn 73k in a months time, starting in the 40s.

DAP doesn't allow set rates for ports. You just have to be on at the right time (raids starting) and be porting raiders.. and way more people pay ~50p than 10p for ports, at least in my experience. The most I've been tipped for a port is a CFE (1.5k) but I know others have had better. The most I've made in an afternoon (3-4 hours) was ~7k, but I've had plenty of times where I make less than 500p per hour.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

80k in 26 days from just porting? Lol. I guess the beauty of this game is you can play it however you like, but I am curious how many hours you put in each day to do that. I have played fairly casually since starting 60 days ago. I am almost level 60 now and I have made roughly that same amount of plat while leveling up to where I am and twinking out an alt. If I put in more time I'm sure I could make even more plat. Again this is primarily from just quadding and getting to go afk and do other things for 10 minutes while waiting for full mana. To each their own, I suppose, but porting people endlessly for long hours on end every day sounds like hell to me and definitely not worth it in my humble opinion.

[phacemeltar]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255034

[joppykid]

How in the hell is this still in server chat? This should be in Rants and Flames where it belongs. Or is it OK to flame in server chat now?

[Lhancelot]

I guess the beauty of this game is you can play it however you like...[/I]

Really, what I have found most annoying on P99 is how many players judge how and what others do in the game. Just like IRL actually. When someone else is doing nothing that harms another, but what they do is not enjoyed or understand by someone else, why must that activity be belittled and made fun of, or criticized as stupid and foolish?

It's the same here. Bunch of people ranting about how some druids make plats. Really, why do you give a shit?

If you think your way of playing or making plats is superior, that's great I suppose... But to not realize and understand that some players ENJOY porting for money is narrowminded and foolish imo.

It's the same with class choices too. I grow weary of hearing "but this class is useless and this class is better yada yada yada..." If some people enjoy a certain class, they obviously don't care that it can't solo raid mobs and requires a group to do well! Just stop judging what other people enjoy doing in a game, it's ridiculous.