How do wizards stack up against other dps classes in high end raids?

[digitz80]

Obviously wizards have it rough for regular xp groups, but I'm curious how they do against rogues, monks, mages, etc in raid situations.

[Pyrion]

Wizard specialty is burst DPS. You will never have a chance with sustained DPS, ever, not even against any pet class and not against any melee. I am not sure if you can even outdamage a paladin for sustained DPS. Melees just swing their weapons for hundreds of damage every few seconds. That said, burst DPS can be quite usefull in raids and wizards are valuable there or so i am told.

[lurk]

On dragon/giant bane mobs nothing touches wizard dps atleast until you run oom which happens very fast...that's when you log in your rogue lol

But seriously, someone could make a wizard mercenary guild that can be hired to drop dragonbane on shit or AE growth. Lets replace Dial-a-Port with Bane-a-Dragon

[jolanar]

Wizards are a well liked raid class, despite being pariahs in the group game. Worst case scenario you get some pity loot for porting everyone to Plane of Hate. :p

[Stonewallx39]

I know they have talked about adding some custom programming to P99. I wish they would give Wizards one DD spell for each spell level that had a significantly improved damage/mana ratio. Just something to make their sustained dps more viable for groups.

The population is way to low on P99 and this small change could help that without making Wizards OP.

[Pharmanimal84]

I know they have talked about adding some custom programming to P99. I wish they would give Wizards one DD spell for each spell level that had a significantly improved damage/mana ratio. Just something to make their sustained dps more viable for groups.

The population is way to low on P99 and this small change could help that without making Wizards OP.

Even just granting them crit hits with their spells would be pretty awesome.

[Izmael]

Wizards in classic Velious were pretty much as they are now. Quad kiting loners up to 60 unless you have good friends that will group with you.

At 60, very desired in any raiding guild because they stack beautifully vs raid mobs.

[Pint]

I can do 32-38k dmg during a vulak kill, the better rogues get out 55-65k in the same time frame. I can do about 20-24k to tormax while the rogues typically get 30-40k dmg

[digitz80]

Damn was hoping wizzies kept up more with rogues. Is wiz burst of any use on velious targets?

[Pint]

Damn was hoping wizzies kept up more with rogues. Is wiz burst of any use on velious targets?

Nah not in comparison to kunark, but a handful of wizards over a velious hp fight can add up to a good chunk of a mobs hp

[r0xx0r]

wizards get very high dmg unresistable nukes for high end dragons/giants- it more than outdmgs most considering they don't draw aggro to soon and have the mana pool as well as required reagents. Impossible to parse others' procs/spell dmg though- just have a wizard parse their own during a raid and show you. You'd be surprised.

[Pyrion]

The main problem really is that the damage ratio for wizard spells is only slightly better than for mage or druid spells. So mage outdamages wizard by far (since the pet adds a terrific amount of damage as well) while a druid is almost at wizard damage ratio levels and being much much more versatile. They can even quad. That only leaves one niche for wizards: Raids. For groups vitually any other class is better most of the time.

[thewrush]

But neither of those classes get Lures or Banes. So wizard spells are most definitely going to land 100%.

Mages are still better. And druids should be healing, not nuking...

[jolanar]

And really the main reason you choose a wizard for raiding is because you actually want to cast nukes on a raid.

[Zuranthium]

And really the main reason you choose a wizard for raiding is because you actually want to cast nukes on a raid.

Casting nukes on a raid is effectively no different than playing a melee. Instead of standing there auto-attacking and pressing an attack skill button on recharge, you press your 1 nuke spell on recharge after a certain point in the fight. Raiding isn't fun and Wizards are shit at most everything else.

[Pulsing]

ive seen wizards parse keep up on dmg/dps done with dragon bane vs primal rogues.

[Zuranthium]

above poster zuranthium raided for several months with us in empire and spent his entire time during raids standing on top of the dragon pretending to cast nukes, when in reality he was spamming o'keils radiation on the tank

Wrong. I used o'keils during trash mobs cause I didn't want the faction hits. It was the smart thing to do. Poor little crybaby melee, sad you have to sit there auto-attacking?

[Zuranthium]

Perhaps I was bored, then? When 100 people are present and there is no danger at all of a wipe, it's not like it makes a difference. Typical lack of logic from you.

I didn't show up to raids for months on end either, I played for 1 month, sometimes skipping raids to PvP. Nor was there 0 gain, I got several items. If you want to talk about 0 gain, look at the time in your life that you put in and where you are now. 100% sure my time was better spent writing and doing other things during raids.

[Aesop]

If you like to play Wizards play on red.

[letsjoe]

zuranthium shut up idiot, quite possibly the most retarded person i ever fucking met, wish strydur did whoop your ass irl. ***CAPITAL PUNCTUATION***

[Zuranthium]

You're clueless and you've never met me.

If you like to play Wizards play on red.

It's certainly better than Blue, anyway.

[Izmael]

Letsjoe easily in the top 5 obnoxious douchebags on Red. Stereotypical reason why server is losing population.