Ancient Cyclops: Server rules or Player rules?

[Lhancelot]

This might be a TL;DR post for some, but I have some questions regarding the AC camp.

I took a long break from game. Used to be AC popped after a fairly simple killing of PHs in SRO desert... Since getting back, that routine was altered and now the only reliable AC camp is the one in OOT.

The only time you can get this camp (unless the stars have magically aligned) is if you are logged in around 1am to 5am, which obviously are not the most convenient hours for most normal living people who sleep during these hours.

The reason this is the only time you can get this camp, is because there is almost always a very long list of people waiting. The list usually has 3-7 people on it.

The players on the list also tend to be on alts while waiting, or not even ingame at all.

My question is, technically how can someone be waiting for a camp, when they are either on alts, or not even in the game in any form?

By server rules, a "camp" is held by someone actively clearing it, and being physically there. The next in line would technically be a person who physically is there at the camp, waiting once the camp of the AC is completed right?

I ask this question because we had this happen one day.

AC pops, and another unlisted guy is waiting with the AC camper as it pops. He is not on the "list". As the ac dies, the camper gets their ring, and then the waiting guy says, "you done now?" The person says, "yes I got a ring I am done..." So, the guy says "ok, I am taking camp then, thanks."

The "guy" I mentioned above said he did not follow "player rules" he followed "server rules", and in some ways I tohught to myself, I can respect that. My only problem with him is since that day, he actually HAS been on lists with his alts too. So, I guess he just determined that day it was convenient to not follow player rules, showing he is just a hypocrite.

My question is this; Is this list a player made rule that can be circumvented by someone abiding by server rules? If someone camps the AC, he pops, and no one is left to camp the AC because the person there got the ring, if someone runs up not on the list, can they take the camp?

Also, a side question... If you get the AC ring, can you get corpsed, just to continue camping the AC? Seen people doing this too, and just want to know if this is perfectly allowable and "ok" by server rules too.

Thanks for any input on the matter, and sorry for the TL;DR post.

[Ele]

Don't even corpse them, just destroy them. Hold it forever.

#TravelersBoots

[Cecily]

So this guy is putting his alts on list? Lol. Name and shame please.

Also, yes. If there's no one at camp (like someone corpsing a ring), list is invalid and you can take it.

[xKoopa]

Corpsing rings not ok, gms will come delete the corpses if you let em know

[Cecily]

There's nothing wrong with doing that if no one else is waiting.

[maskedmelon]

There was a post somewhere on this, but I am too lazy to dig it up :/ However, as I recall, server rules do not recognize lists beyond the first person on it. The camper elects who they wish to pass the camp to and must declare who the camp will pass to when asked. If they do not provide a name, then whoever asked gets it provided they get there before the camper departs. The camper may also decline to participate and simply leave it FFA when they have finished. Corpsing is also not permitted. You get your item, you move on. I would not petition this though. Just feel free to contest the camp without repurcussions if someone is corping the items.

[Spyder73]

If you can manage to get the next PH kill, then the camp is yours. I believe the camp holder can pass the camp to someone, but that person has to be there. So basically from when AC dies you have 6 minutes to login or the camp is forfeit. AMIRITE?

[Cecily]

I'd rather those idiotic, poorly thought out Derubael list rules (that he was so proud of) die from anyone's memory.

If you can manage to get the next PH kill, then the camp is yours. I believe the camp holder can pass the camp to someone, but that person has to be there. So basically from when AC dies you have 6 minutes to login or the camp is forfeit.

This.

[Lhancelot]

So this guy is putting his alts on list? Lol. Name and shame please.

Also, yes. If there's no one at camp (like someone corpsing a ring), list is invalid and you can take it.

If I listed all the people putting alts names on list, it'd be a neverending list of names.

I just find it frustrating being on a list where there literally is 3-10 people, half not online, half on alts, etc.

And, yes people have figured out that when the AC pops, for some reason it seems there's a good chance another AC will spawn right after again.

So, a person camping the AC will say, "I am staying 1 more spawn of PH after I get ring just so you know..." And, if the AC spawns again, they then get corpsed and grab the second ring. Had this happen to me, guy stayed one more spawn after he got ring, hoping for a back to back AC spawn.

One guy had 4 corpses sitting right at AC spawn spot, all with rings on them. Said he needed "12 rings for guildies".

This is how much of a bottleneck the AC spawn has become I guess.

Maybe altering the SRO spawn and making it a reliable camp again would help, I don't know.

[Lhancelot]

If you can manage to get the next PH kill, then the camp is yours. I believe the camp holder can pass the camp to someone, but that person has to be there. So basically from when AC dies you have 6 minutes to login or the camp is forfeit. AMIRITE?

Ok, this sounds pretty straight forward and how it should be.

[Cecily]

So, a person camping the AC will say, "I am staying 1 more spawn of PH after I get ring just so you know..." And, if the AC spawns again, they then get corpsed and grab the second ring. Had this happen to me, guy stayed one more spawn after he got ring, hoping for a back to back AC spawn.

No. Absolutely not allowed. If you get your item and someone waiting, move on.

[Lhancelot]

No. Absolutely not allowed. If you get your item and someone waiting, move on.

So, how do these types of internal issues get resolved? I mean... obviously players have a whole different idea what are rules and not rules for camps now.

I'd hate to be a guide having to sort these types of issues out... But it's pretty clear the rules of camping items have become very gray and cloudy for many.

I appreciate the input though, I figured a lot of BS was going on here, because it just seems so inefficient how the camp is managed by players now.

Seems that some players create their own rules and claim it as "server rules" too.

I wish there was a concrete explanation easily available by the guides/admin here regarding the AC camp and others, just so we had something a little more solid to follow.

[Spyder73]

Someone can not wait for 1 more spawn to see if AC pops back to back. Once you have your item you must move on. Corpsing is allowed only if no one is at the camp waiting...problem is people don't want to actually sit at AC camp to see if he ever spawns because it's a mind numbing camp when it's yours, let alone watching someone else do it.

The saving grace about this camp is that it's a quick spawn, and if you are a class that can do Sea Furies then you can make some good money while waiting (If there is not an epic Shaman root rotting the entire island like an a$$hole).

Journeyman's boots are seriously like the best item ever, the camp is always going to be contested unless they take away the ability to MQ

[Spyder73]

I can't be in the queue

LINE not QUEUE

[maskedmelon]

Here OP:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9

That and our own experiences is what we have to go on.

[maskedmelon]

LINE not QUEUE

Why you two dislike each other so much? You both loathe BDA right? Is it the cat avatars?

[Spyder73]

Why you two dislike each other so much? You both loathe BDA right? Is it the cat avatars?

Swish is a turncoat is why. We share many allegiances on many issues, but LINE vs QUEUE and Wu'Tang are two issues we can not agree on.

[Spyder73]

Still waiting - thread is closed w/o a response =*(

[xKoopa]

Hey swish if i petition for a guild creation, then have to log off, is my petition gone or still in queue? Dont wanna spam petitions everytime i log on but also dont wanna be waiting for nothing

Thanks pal

[kined]

its not really complicated rules. all waiting lists are just players being courteous to each other, if you have the camp it is yours to do with as you please, and you get to choose who can take your place if you decide to leave. the fact that people leave alts names as contacts is not surprising and is reasonable.. that way they can just log onto their character when the spot frees up. we do this for everyones convenience so that we don't have people sitting around both waiting for the camp sniping AC's the second they pop because the camper was looking away for a couple seconds.

people can choose to pull someone off the list, or they can invite their buddy, or they can just log off and ignore the list completely. the only things that are actual server rules are that you can't just steal the camp, and that the person who holds the camp has a right to pass the camp onto whoever they choose... usually people abide by the list though.

[Cecily]

Yeah if you're passing camp to your alt, you have to log off = forfeit camp. No you're completely wrong.

[kined]

Yeah if you're passing camp to your alt, you have to log off = forfeit camp. No you're completely wrong.



i don't think you are understanding what they meant in the main post anyway. they aren't talking about the person who's already camping AC passing camps to their alts.... they are talking about putting an alts name as the contact information on the waitlist and parking their main at the AC camp for when the person is ready to turn over the camp. perfectly reasonable


besides, if you want to camp over and switch to AC on an alt, you absolutely can if no one is around to immediately take it. you aren't obligated to let anyone know that the camp is going to be open for 30 seconds.

[Lhancelot]

Here OP:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9

That and our own experiences is what we have to go on.

Hey thanks for digging that up! Nice to see it. Pretty much as someone in thread described already. Thanks.

[zillabunny]

If I listed all the people putting alts names on list, it'd be a neverending list of names.

I just find it frustrating being on a list where there literally is 3-10 people, half not online, half on alts, etc.

And, yes people have figured out that when the AC pops, for some reason it seems there's a good chance another AC will spawn right after again.

So, a person camping the AC will say, "I am staying 1 more spawn of PH after I get ring just so you know..." And, if the AC spawns again, they then get corpsed and grab the second ring. Had this happen to me, guy stayed one more spawn after he got ring, hoping for a back to back AC spawn.

One guy had 4 corpses sitting right at AC spawn spot, all with rings on them. Said he needed "12 rings for guildies".

This is how much of a bottleneck the AC spawn has become I guess.

Maybe altering the SRO spawn and making it a reliable camp again would help, I don't know.

you say one guy had 4 corpses but again you don't call out his name. MAN UP!

[xKoopa]

Best thing to do is petition as soon as you log in for a session before you even move the character - that way if the petition queue is backed up they still might get to it before you log out ^^

Just put one in ;)

[Parz77]

as a frequenter of OoT i shall explain the best i can

we are civil fair people, the usual flex is you find out whos on AC, get your name on list, as well as any alts you may be playing while you wait. When the ring drops, the camp holder goes to next person on list who is online in some form, and that person has until next ph or so to show up to claim camp. anyone on the list that isnt online is passed over and not re added. list might be 7 people, by the time ring drops the 5th person might be next on it. its actually quite fair.

this is a player etiquette and not server rules, however most would observe this as being a cunt about it is just going to result in bad experiences should you choose to repeatedly camp it.

as for ppl corpsing rings while others wait in line, no that doesnt fly, and never has. if you see someone doing this call them out.