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Splade
08-25-2016, 03:24 AM
So, I will be the first to admit, i'm a very casual player. I don't generally camp contested spawns, I dont poopsock, I generally just keep to myself and solo.
I started a monk and I want to get him j boots, so, I have to camp the AC (or buy them).
I camped the AC on my necro and it was pretty cool because 3 of us kinda showed up at the same time and we all hung out and got 3 AC's to pop in about 3 hours. We chatted and had a good time and took our rings in the order we showed up, no one left the camp the entire time.
I decided to check the AC spawn last night, there was some guy killing him and no one else around. So I thought "cool, im next in line". So me and that guy hung out and talked and there was never any mention of a list or anything like that, I guess he just thought I was there hanging out at a remote camp in the middle of the ocean for my health. AC pops and he kills it, random druid comes running up out of no where and is like, "Soandso on deck ... Splade up next"
Im like "whoa champ, ive been waiting here for an hour and a half"
He was like "I was next on the list"
I'm like "what list? I was never told of any list, and you werent here"
Anyway, an argument ensues, AC spawns within 12 minutes of last one dying, he can out nuke my necro dots no problem so I dont even try.
The original guy that was there sent me a tell and said "yeah, soandso was on the list"
"im like WHAT LIST?!"
I petition (havent heard anything back) but I ask around and apparently this "on the list" is an actual thing.
My first thought was, what's to stop the person who's camping said spawn from saying "oh my buddy is next in line" and then just shooting them a tell or text when they're about to leave or line jumping their friend to the front
...
So that brings me to tonight. I log in, same druid is sitting there camping. He has a hotkey made for "the list" with all the names on it. I /who all the entire "list" and no one is online. He says that it doesnt matter if they're online just as long as they're online when he leaves, 5 minutes later, he's leaving as the next guy "on the list" logs in (and they just happen to be in the same guild).
Anyway, this whole "list" business seems super shady and very easily abused. I remember on live for the contested camps it was whoever showed up and you sat your ass there, waiting to be next in line and if you weren't present, you weren't in line.
Furthermore, what happens if someone doesn't want to keep a list? I know this isn't live and I know p99 has somewhat different rules about things, is there anywhere I can go for clarification of "the list" issue?

RDawg816
08-25-2016, 03:56 AM
In my experience everyone does the list how they want. Some say you can log on an alt and keep in touch that way. Some say you have to be in zone. Sometimes there is no list. I'm not sure if there is an actual ruling, but good luck in your endeavors.

coki
08-25-2016, 03:57 AM
here we go

Ivory
08-25-2016, 04:05 AM
I always tell people "ya I'll add you to the list"...and then never do....and just tell whoever I remember or is nearby when I leave.....if I remember :o

Jimjam
08-25-2016, 04:21 AM
From my experience, people who take EQ very seriously will tell someone 'you're on the list' when they don't want to waste time with that person. E.g. a wizard is LFG, but you want a monk or end, so the wizard is 'on the list'.

I always think people who do that are particularly lame for not straight out/politely saying 'no'.

icedwards
08-25-2016, 07:06 AM
GMs have commented on this a bunch, the only rule is that the person who's taking over the camp has to be present when the handover happens.

AC can be a particularly shady camp, try not to be discouraged.

maskedmelon
08-25-2016, 07:24 AM
There are no lists, there is only 'next'. When a player arrives at a camp, they may ask who is next on the list. The player holding he camp must then supply the name of the next person on the list. If the camp holder does not supply a name, then the arriving player may ask to be next and they will be next, provided they are there when the current camp holder departs. If the camp holder did however declare who is next, then that person must arrive within a reasonable amount of time of the camp holder departing. The amount of time is unspecified and at the discretion of server staff.

If you are holding a camp and do not wish to maintain a list, you are not obligated to. You may depart the camp at any time and it will become FFA.

unleashedd
08-25-2016, 07:36 AM
can people auction camps? cause this is next level lawyerquest

Slayde
08-25-2016, 11:34 AM
Yeah its trash, but remember this is a recreation of Nilbogs(and Rogeans) EQ experience. It hasn't translated well for a lot of people from some different servers, as every server was a little different. In conclusion don't come here expecting to re-live what you did back in the day as chances are it will be just different enough to make it a pain in the ass. Unless, of course, you were on the owners servers on Live.

maskedmelon
08-25-2016, 12:15 PM
can people auction camps? cause this is next level lawyerquest

Don't see why not, though it wouldn't last long because when asked, the camp holder must say who is next, or it becomes FFA and I'm sure most players would not care to wait for the conclusion of the auction. Game would be annoyed by any related petition and it would be up to the win see to try and defend the camp they paid for, so it would be unwise to purchase any such auction.

However, give. A sufficiently long camp, auctioning third place when you were next could work since naming a successor is not required of a successor.

drktmplr12
08-25-2016, 12:46 PM
smh

Lobus
08-25-2016, 12:48 PM
Can't we all just get along?

I've been trying to camp one of those Goblin Invis Rings in LoIO and Shralock Packs/Brass Idols in Highpass... if there's someone there you ask them if they'll be long and if there's someone "next" if so then just move on to something else... an alt... go xp your main... camp something else...

I mean we've got what 1500 players max at peak, there are literally hundreds of things that you can do if whatever camp you stroll into is camped.

It's just pixels folks.. if there are some neckbeards who want to camp AC 24/7 for some self-masturbatory benefit of rubbing the plat pixels on their nipples after you buy the MQ from them... then let em have it... it's the only joy they have in life

Trollhide
08-25-2016, 12:51 PM
If you are holding a camp and do not wish to maintain a list, you are not obligated to. You may depart the camp at any time and it will become FFA.
Alternately, you may pass the camp to whomever you choose as long as they are present when you leave

EQBallzz
08-25-2016, 01:27 PM
Can't we all just get along?

I've been trying to camp one of those Goblin Invis Rings in LoIO and Shralock Packs/Brass Idols in Highpass... if there's someone there you ask them if they'll be long and if there's someone "next" if so then just move on to something else... an alt... go xp your main... camp something else...

I mean we've got what 1500 players max at peak, there are literally hundreds of things that you can do if whatever camp you stroll into is camped.

It's just pixels folks.. if there are some neckbeards who want to camp AC 24/7 for some self-masturbatory benefit of rubbing the plat pixels on their nipples after you buy the MQ from them... then let em have it... it's the only joy they have in life

I think you might have a future in writing fan fic for AC MQ stories. Rubbing plat pixels on nipples? So hot!

maskedmelon
08-25-2016, 01:31 PM
Rubbing plat pixels on nipples? So hot!

Thought I might have been alone in this sentiment

Llandris
08-25-2016, 01:47 PM
Player maintained lists are not enforced by the CSR staff. Standard camp rules apply, which are located here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299).

maskedmelon
08-25-2016, 02:10 PM
Player maintained lists are not enforced by the CSR staff. Standard camp rules apply, which are located here (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299).

Does the subsequent clarification from Derubal below still apply?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9

fash
08-25-2016, 02:12 PM
How about you just kill the player "camping" AC so you can get your jboots? Oh, you must not play on the pvp server... That sucks. :)

nectarprime
08-25-2016, 02:22 PM
How about you just kill the player "camping" AC so you can get your jboots? Oh, you must not play on the pvp server... That sucks. :)

We want to actually be able to find a group, so blue it is. If red ever has more than 100 players on at a time maybe some will consider it.

Thulack
08-25-2016, 02:48 PM
How about you just kill the player "camping" AC so you can get your jboots? Oh, you must not play on the pvp server... That sucks. :)

So 20% of your Pop would be at AC camp then? :D

Baler
08-25-2016, 02:53 PM
Im like "whoa champ, ive been waiting here for an hour and a half"
He was like "I was next on the list"

I laughed at this point. Chances are 50/50 that someone lied about a list. Or op wasn't on the list.
Seems pointless to petition that. It's just a minor player quarrel. A day or two will go by and things will get better.

Nune
08-25-2016, 04:03 PM
I always tell people "ya I'll add you to the list"...and then never do....and just tell whoever I remember or is nearby when I leave.....if I remember :o

I wish forum GMs fucked with people like you that cause stupid petitions because you think thats cute. Especially a NPCF. Just delete your main hand weapons and say nothing to you about it. Then let you rot in a wait for petitions :D

Maciver
08-25-2016, 06:17 PM
Does the subsequent clarification from Derubal below still apply?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9

Khaleesi
08-26-2016, 08:16 AM
So, I will be the first to admit, i'm a very casual player. I don't generally camp contested spawns, I dont poopsock, I generally just keep to myself and solo.
I started a monk and I want to get him j boots, so, I have to camp the AC (or buy them).
I camped the AC on my necro and it was pretty cool because 3 of us kinda showed up at the same time and we all hung out and got 3 AC's to pop in about 3 hours. We chatted and had a good time and took our rings in the order we showed up, no one left the camp the entire time.
I decided to check the AC spawn last night, there was some guy killing him and no one else around. So I thought "cool, im next in line". So me and that guy hung out and talked and there was never any mention of a list or anything like that, I guess he just thought I was there hanging out at a remote camp in the middle of the ocean for my health. AC pops and he kills it, random druid comes running up out of no where and is like, "Soandso on deck ... Splade up next"
Im like "whoa champ, ive been waiting here for an hour and a half"
He was like "I was next on the list"
I'm like "what list? I was never told of any list, and you werent here"
Anyway, an argument ensues, AC spawns within 12 minutes of last one dying, he can out nuke my necro dots no problem so I dont even try.
The original guy that was there sent me a tell and said "yeah, soandso was on the list"
"im like WHAT LIST?!"
I petition (havent heard anything back) but I ask around and apparently this "on the list" is an actual thing.
My first thought was, what's to stop the person who's camping said spawn from saying "oh my buddy is next in line" and then just shooting them a tell or text when they're about to leave or line jumping their friend to the front
...
So that brings me to tonight. I log in, same druid is sitting there camping. He has a hotkey made for "the list" with all the names on it. I /who all the entire "list" and no one is online. He says that it doesnt matter if they're online just as long as they're online when he leaves, 5 minutes later, he's leaving as the next guy "on the list" logs in (and they just happen to be in the same guild).
Anyway, this whole "list" business seems super shady and very easily abused. I remember on live for the contested camps it was whoever showed up and you sat your ass there, waiting to be next in line and if you weren't present, you weren't in line.
Furthermore, what happens if someone doesn't want to keep a list? I know this isn't live and I know p99 has somewhat different rules about things, is there anywhere I can go for clarification of "the list" issue?

You would think that actually being there, waiting and/or making the effort, would count for something - and much like in the real world, no, it doesn't.

The problem is that as players we try to apply logic and common sense to situations where logic and common sense have been removed in favor of whatever is the flavor of the month by whomever is in power.

I remember some druid at AC once saying 'you must know how things work around here, we run this shit..'

The short is, person camping it is not obligated to pass it to any one. He can decide to give it to whomever he likes, and even if there was a list, he can change it at the last minute, wipe it out or simply leave and not say anything.

There's only two things that matter :

A) The person camping it cannot corpse and needs to leave (unless they are alone)
B) The camp can only be left unattended for about six minutes before it becomes fair game to anyone.




Nothing Derul said, applies any more - not sure if it ever applied.

Llandris
08-26-2016, 09:57 AM
It's impractical for Guides to keep track of player ran lists. Whats stopping that player from completely making up a "list" and just hand it off to his buddy who logged in 5 minutes ago, when you have been waiting 2 hours. We can't rely on a players word. That's why we don't enforce lists. If there is a camp discrepancy at AC, for example, don't be surprised if we show up and make you /ran for the camp.

Ivory
08-26-2016, 10:08 AM
I wish forum GMs fucked with people like you that cause stupid petitions because you think thats cute. Especially a NPCF. Just delete your main hand weapons and say nothing to you about it. Then let you rot in a wait for petitions :D

I can't take the pressure of keeping lists!!! Especially when people ask to be put on lists....and then don't tell you when they log. And then, they come on later (because they were on an alt) and go "hay why didn't you tell me, I was on an alt, just search for my guild and send tells to the officers to find me herpaderpa".

That's right, those who ask to be on lists have ruined it for everyone. They get themselves on the list and take no responsibility for it!!

FatMice
08-26-2016, 10:14 AM
It's impractical for Guides to keep track of player ran lists. Whats stopping that player from completely making up a "list" and just hand it off to his buddy who logged in 5 minutes ago, when you have been waiting 2 hours. We can't rely on a players word. That's why we don't enforce lists. If there is a camp discrepancy at AC, for example, don't be surprised if we show up and make you /ran for the camp.

Just like they do on Vulak!

Cecily
08-26-2016, 11:17 AM
I wish forum GMs fucked with people like you that cause stupid petitions because you think thats cute. Especially a NPCF. Just delete your main hand weapons and say nothing to you about it. Then let you rot in a wait for petitions :D

So nasty. I, too, don't bother with lists. I'll pass camp to whoever is there with me waiting.

nectarprime
08-26-2016, 11:28 AM
I wish forum GMs fucked with people like you that cause stupid petitions because you think thats cute. Especially a NPCF. Just delete your main hand weapons and say nothing to you about it. Then let you rot in a wait for petitions :D

You're on my list now

Zkoch01
08-26-2016, 11:46 AM
The AC also spawns in S Ro, and that one is hardly ever camped. I've got him five times in the last 2 months myself. Most of the time he's been up when I just happened to be running through there. This may be an alternative you can try.

Just an idea.

Spyder73
08-26-2016, 12:08 PM
AC is a sh!t show at all the times - 5 years of server life and AC is still camped 24/7 - Multiquesting is the single worst thing on this server and causes way more problems than solutions

Ravager
08-26-2016, 02:39 PM
AC is a sh!t show at all the times - 5 years of server life and AC is still camped 24/7 - Multiquesting is the single worst thing on this server and causes way more problems than solutions
Maybe you should play Phinny.

Thulack
08-26-2016, 03:39 PM
AC is a sh!t show at all the times - 5 years of server life and AC is still camped 24/7 - Multiquesting is the single worst thing on this server and causes way more problems than solutions

Loot rights would just be sold then. Trivial Loot code is the only thing that would change it and even then that system has its pros and cons.