Why is Sceptre of Desctruction so overpriced ?

[Hamedore]

I met a guy with a SoD who said the weapon could be sold for like 20 millions.
Despite the fact that it is not dropped anymore, why is this weapon so overpriced ? Stats and proc are not that great ... How much would you guys pay for this if one was for sale ?

[RedXIII]

1kk easy. Because it comes with server tears, and server tears are priceless. ;)

[Brut]

But the bragging rights.
Buying it wouldn't buy the rights tho. You'd just be known as the goof who paid way too much for something.

[Hamedore]

Good for tanks then !

[surron]

procs a 500 dmg dd lvl 46+

is non lore (monks dual wielding this is ridiculous)

SoD + BoC = best warrior weapons in Velious era. On AK it was pretty common for war to use this into elementals if they never got a frenzy from ssra

[xKoopa]

BoC? Doesnt even proc bro

[Freakish]

12/18 tradeable procs 288 dd.+ stun. It's aight. Buy tov rots instead of trying to buy one of the 11 SoDs that dropped.

[surron]

BoC? Doesnt even proc bro

Ahh guess I'm thinking of upgraded BoC. Wow that must suck killing aow and getting boc1.0. Also the proc on sod is only 288dmg here? That's a shame on eqmac it was 480.

[jolanar]

Collectors item more than anything.

[Daldaen]

It was 288 on Mac also.

But the Anarchy spell has a built in stun component as all enchanter direct damage spells should. Which is why it was such a good aggro weapon.

We typically kept 1 BoC and a few SoD in our guild bank on Al'Kabor so that any app warrior would have decent aggro weapons they could use until Cursed, XtC, RZtW or Saryrn/RZ in Time dropped their aggro weapons.

Regardless - Warrior aggro is a joke on this server. Just grab a Midnight Mallet and a set of Puppet Strings for 1/100th what a SoD goes for and you're far better off. Hell grab a few Prayers of Life and a Bladestopper and 10 Root nets too while you're at it.

[Gimp]

Get 2 of the 3 VP poison proc weapons and call it a day. Easymode aggro off one proc.

[Atmas]

Lawl at overpriced:
Awesome ratio
Awesome stats
Awesome proc damage
Awesome proc stun that interrupts casting

Great for end game or leveling up and usable by a lot of classes. I don't know the price really should be on it but I would say in the million+ on a server where people just accumulate money with nothing to spend it on.

[khanable]

this weapon is bugged to be much worse aggro than it should be

What's bugged? It comes in around 650-700 hate per proc in my tests?

Granted it's not amazing due to poison and slow hate being ridiculously high on this server (is that what you're considering bugged..?)

I've been away a few months, I know you had some speculation on the last sod thread, you get anything concrete now?

[Legday]

It doesn't make a tov geared warrior any better from a raiding standpoint, but its mega fashionquest and bragging rights. Its like a guise.

[khanable]

It doesn't make a tov geared warrior any better from a raiding standpoint, but its mega fashionquest and bragging rights. Its like a guise.

It's the Rolex of tanking weapons

Other watches do fine, some may have more features, but this one is bling as fuck

[Legday]

It's the Rolex of tanking weapons

Other watches do fine, some may have more features, but this one is bling as fuck

I like the way you said it better.

[Loke]

What is the resist rate like on SoD proc? Also, what percent of damage does the proc make up on average? I've always been curious how it stacks up DPS wise compared to something like Baton of Flame. Baton is 1 less delay and 1 more damage, but a smaller fire based proc, so I'd imagine they'd be pretty close unless the SoD procs / lands a lot.

[Bill Tetley]

It can only be wielded by mediocre warriors that have 100% raid attendance.

[Tasslehofp99]

I'd say most of the hype of those who weild an SOD comes from the perception that they somehow "beat p99" by getting warder loot that no longer drops before some others. The item itself is not a game changer.

Often times you can find some of the less intelligent IB/rampage/whatever they are now folks linking their SOD in a lame attempt at flexing their epeen or trolling. Always got a kick out of ppl who clearly derive some kind of self worth or pride from pixelz.

Had some idiot meefus spamming ooc in the feerott the other day with SOD links. It was as if he thought i would bow in reverence to him since he had it. I got a kick out of it.

[khanable]

Barlow still mad as fuck he ain't got a robe

[Ele]

BoC? Doesnt even proc bro

My legacy is fulfilled.

[maskedmelon]

Barlow still mad as fuck he ain't got a robe

You know, I never understood why people would wake the sleeper and ruin the fun of others, but I understand it now. It is the most epic troll one could perpetrate against a group of raging neckbeards ^^


(no offense Barlow, not directed at you, just struck me and thought it was kinda funny^^)

[khanable]

It shouldn't. I haven't ran a test on the epic MH in a while, though. I'll post my logs and numbers when I'm home tonight. They're a few months old at this point. You're more than welcome to come do a fresh test with me on blue if you have interest.

[Freakish]

I'd say most of the hype of those who weild an SOD comes from the perception that they somehow "beat p99" by getting warder loot that no longer drops before some others. The item itself is not a game changer.

Often times you can find some of the less intelligent IB/rampage/whatever they are now folks linking their SOD in a lame attempt at flexing their epeen or trolling. Always got a kick out of ppl who clearly derive some kind of self worth or pride from pixelz.

Had some idiot meefus spamming ooc in the feerott the other day with SOD links. It was as if he thought i would bow in reverence to him since he had it. I got a kick out of it.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Sceptre_of_Destruction

[heartbrand]

aggro is irrelevant for raiding due to mallets. I used jaleean's katana and never lost aggro.

[Tasslehofp99]

Barlow still mad as fuck he ain't got a robe

lol I don't even have a key yet tbh

[schnickusaurus]

For the same reason why Holgresh Elder Beads are so under priced. People just dont know , but time will show :) SoD price will crash and the beads will hit 300k.

If I had a SoD i would sell it for 10 mil and buy 100 elder beads to eventually hold 30 mil worthless plat. Then quit p1999 with a nice achievement feelzor

[Khaleesi]

It's the Rolex of tanking weapons

Other watches do fine, some may have more features, but this one is bling as fuck

Nobody buys Rolex any more..certainly not under the premise that it's 'bling.'

There's a lot of over priced things on this server - you'd think the individuals whom are responsible for making the items no longer obtainable, would be a bit more considerate to the server. Their quest to be virtual somebodies in a virtual world, resulted in them slaying a monster they knew would never return.

The selfishness is still powerful here - was a fool to think it would end when TMO fell apart.

[nectarprime]

Nobody buys Rolex any more..certainly not under the premise that it's 'bling.'

There's a lot of over priced things on this server - you'd think the individuals whom are responsible for making the items no longer obtainable, would be a bit more considerate to the server. Their quest to be virtual somebodies in a virtual world, resulted in them slaying a monster they knew would never return.

The selfishness is still powerful here - was a fool to think it would end when TMO fell apart.

This is the stupidest thing I have read all day, congratulations. I expected something similar when I saw your username (PS - she dies)

[fadetree]

Things are worth what people will pay for them. Period. Any other definition of worth is subjective.
If you are surprised that selfishness is still powerful here, you might want to consider that selfishness is everywhere and will never change. Plus, I'm sure you think of it as only a bad thing, but selfishness actually has brought more good to the world than anything else. Wanting, or in the worst case forcing, people to do 'unselfish' things so that other people can get what they want is evil in most cases.
Ayn Rand - kind of a nut but she has a point in there.

[maskedmelon]

All rational choice is selfish. The interests of some just happen to be more heavily associated with this of others.

[yyrkoon]

waking the sleeper on p99 (or r99) is equivalent to yelling out loud to the world "hello i'm a huge douche and i have no friends"

[Freakish]

If you're going to be a turd in the punch bowl you should be the biggest turd.

[Lanuven]

- SoD and Salindrite both don't drop anymore.
- Both have awesome melee ratio 12/18 and 13/18 and both have crazy proc dd/stun.
- They are worth whatever someone wants to offer but at the same time there's no real reason to ever get rid of it for any amount of plat.
- Haters gonna hate.
- Crybabies gonna cry.

[azeth]

waking the sleeper on p99 (or r99) is equivalent to yelling out loud to the world "hello i'm a huge douche and i have no friends"

shrug

id do it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTmP-Tmuuw

[Joyelle]

shrug

id do it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFTmP-Tmuuw

That was such a fun night!

p.s. miss you Azeth!

[Speedi]

I like this, not a bad item

here is the one on my druid

http://i.imgur.com/J9iwtQI.jpg

[Tankdan]

It's the best agro weapon

There's only about a dozen on the server, 0 of which are actually for sale

It's tradeable and one of the most iconic items in classic EQ

It comes from a Warder in Sleepers Tomb

Platinum isn't amazing, owning a SoD is. Even if offered 100million, Id rather own a SoD. Platinum is just platinum, having millions of platinum isn't all that thrilling.

[Trungep99]

I like this, not a bad item

here is the one on my druid

http://i.imgur.com/J9iwtQI.jpg

What is the min level for it to proc? You can make a mean think with it.

[Lanuven]

46.

[Vibe]

Nobody buys Rolex any more..certainly not under the premise that it's 'bling.'

There's a lot of over priced things on this server - you'd think the individuals whom are responsible for making the items no longer obtainable, would be a bit more considerate to the server. Their quest to be virtual somebodies in a virtual world, resulted in them slaying a monster they knew would never return.

The selfishness is still powerful here - was a fool to think it would end when TMO fell apart.

Plenty ppl buy rolexes and you mean you wouldn't label it as "bling" ....everybody isnt you broski.

[Nikkanu]

To Op: Supply + Demand

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[Nikkanu]

Lots of people have a million+ platinums, not lots of people have SoDs.

[Detoxx]

Only one person has a Smolder, though!

[schnickusaurus]

I have to disagree about platinum though.

Plat is still king . I can be casual, not raid much,
but since I get millions of plat I can buy high end loot and equip BiS gear without the need to raid. Its the only way to compete with hard core raiders without actually raid.

Imagine the greatness of plat guys: you can have a girlfriend, enjoy RL like it should be enjoyed, yet you can eventually get kael-raided, King T, Yelinak, heck even tov loot right-bought gear for plat

Plat is far from useless, if you use it wisely ie dont buy velious gear now when its expensive

Now compare the usefulness of holding a SoD?

[khanable]

Only one person has a Smolder, though!

Does anyone have the zlandi heart turn in weapon?

Someone needs to suck it up and server first that shit

[radda]

Umm...

[Freakish]

Everyone who has a SoD disagrees with that statement about plat. Or you would see one for sale.

[Alanus]

20 million plat seems like a lot, but it's also the (arguably) best warrior 1h that will ever drop on this server.

[Atmas]

I have to disagree about platinum though.

Plat is still king . I can be casual, not raid much,
but since I get millions of plat I can buy high end loot and equip BiS gear without the need to raid. Its the only way to compete with hard core raiders without actually raid.

Imagine the greatness of plat guys: you can have a girlfriend, enjoy RL like it should be enjoyed, yet you can eventually get kael-raided, King T, Yelinak, heck even tov loot right-bought gear for plat

Plat is far from useless, if you use it wisely ie dont buy velious gear now when its expensive

Now compare the usefulness of holding a SoD?

Plat only buys so much, not everything is for sale. No one is going to sell you a Jaled's Katana or something that rare.

[schnickusaurus]

Of course you are right there m8, not all is for sale. But remember the core raiders obtaining that gear is investing a serious amount of RL time in it.
And is that worth it?
But even if some think it is worth it, we still come to the prime critique of SoD holders:

SoD usefulness is so weak i just cant see why you wouldnt take 10 mil plat
Anything of the below is probably more than 3 times as useful:
Fungi+CoF
Manastone
Lockets of Escape and Puppet strings (plat income if you sell charges/binds)
High end gear (white dragon helm, vindi bp loot right, tov loot right, Statue/AoW/KT droppables, tov MQd class loot, haste song mask clicky loot rights, jboots MQ, Levi Cloak loot right)

All this is game breaking, compared to the 'uber aggro' of a SoD

Usefulness is a Word often used in guild loot policy.
Why shouldnt it be used in this discussion ?

If you compare the plat a SoD can give, and what you can use that plat for, the aggro argument of a SoD becomes Weak

There is just one thing that makes me see some form of logic in SoD holders:
If the person owning a SoD is already a CoF/fungi/hard core raider/Levi Cloak jboots etc then ofc they should keep the SoD :) but that still means SoD is relatively useless and it makes no sense for any casual to buy the weap. The only possible buyer would be someone else who has all this stuff already (and lots of plat) and who likes to hold a SoD (for no real useful reason whatsoever?:p )

[fadetree]

Just using a SoD? maybe 100k.
Having one when you don't? Priceless.

[schnickusaurus]

Its actually not priceless, because you base only on what is today

Pricing is also forward looking

SoD is a technical problem to devs

They intend to release a server where SoD may well exist forever depending on how well people come to mutual agreement , then merge it with a server of awakened sleeper

You cant merge it then unless that problem is solved.

You cant take for granted the 12 amount supply of SoD
The day that assumption is broken, the day SoD 'priceless' will change into a meager 500k

Will see , will see.

[Cecily]

Don't take it too hard when you finally figure out plat is useless.

[nectarprime]

Its actually not priceless, because you base only on what is today

Pricing is also forward looking

SoD is a technical problem to devs

They intend to release a server where SoD may well exist forever depending on how well people come to mutual agreement , then merge it with a server of awakened sleeper

You cant merge it then unless that problem is solved.

You cant take for granted the 12 amount supply of SoD
The day that assumption is broken, the day SoD 'priceless' will change into a meager 500k

Will see , will see.

are you drunk

[Spyder73]

There is just one thing that makes me see some form of logic in SoD holders:
If the person owning a SoD is already a CoF/fungi/hard core raider/Levi Cloak jboots etc then ofc they should keep the SoD :) but that still means SoD is relatively useless and it makes no sense for any casual to buy the weap. The only possible buyer would be someone else who has all this stuff already (and lots of plat) and who likes to hold a SoD (for no real useful reason whatsoever?:p )

The 12 SoD on the server belong only to the thickest of neckbeards who already have hundreds of thousands of plat at minimum. There is no "if" the person owning this item already has a fungi/Cof - they are in full nToV raid gear brah or they wouldn't have Sleepers keys since its dominated by 2 guilds.

I dont think anyone has ever made the argument that a casual player would be capable of buying a SoD on this server...

[Ivory]

Its the only way to compete with hard core raiders without actually raid.

Wait...what?

What are you competing with them on? Raiding? But you just said you don't want to raid......

[Cecily]

Protip: Amassing a sizable fortune in platinum takes more time and effort than "hard core neckbearding", and gives you less to show for it.

Let's elaborate a bit! Take, for example, the A-team. While the server heroes like myself and others in TMO killed every raid boos and paid very little attention to EC tunnel, A-team platinum miners spent the majority of their time increasing their virtual (and in at least one case IRL) bank accounts. Despite this leading to many A-team members being individually wealthy, a pretty good joke at the time was A-team having epics. They simply couldn't afford them.

[feanan]

All this talk of gear and pp...it all means shit.

Or are you all gearing up for the next expansion? lol

Your SoD and pp both are equal when rogean finally turns the server off.

[Cecily]

You could say the same for life, considering that whole death thing at the end. People work for things they can enjoy while they are here. Equal parts sensible and completely insane. Such is life.

[khanable]

my sod will be buried with me in my temple so that I can enjoy it in the p99 afterlife

[jpetrick]

You could say the same for life, considering that whole death thing at the end. People work for things they can enjoy while they are here. Equal parts sensible and completely insane. Such is life.

Whoever dies with the most toys wins.

[Lanuven]

Does anyone have the zlandi heart turn in weapon?

Someone needs to suck it up and server first that shit

Kautin has had one. Its super annoying on raids.

[khanable]

Hahahahahah kautin is my spirit animal

[heartbrand]

due to the way warrior aggro is irrelevant on this server, SoD as a weapon for min/maxing as a warrior is not the best choice for raids typically. I would stick with jaleean's katana and claw of lightning after dropping a mallet. But it's a weapon that never drops again so it's cool or something.

[Gimp]

What's the weapon for a zlandi heart turn in? Don't remember that from live

[khanable]

What's the weapon for a zlandi heart turn in? Don't remember that from live

http://wiki.project1999.com/Neb's_Warbone

[Gimp]

Lol, nice troll wep. I approve

[Raev]

Protip: Amassing a sizable fortune in platinum takes more time and effort than "hard core neckbearding", and gives you less to show for it.

Let's elaborate a bit! Take, for example, the A-team. While the server heroes like myself and others in TMO killed every raid boos and paid very little attention to EC tunnel, A-team platinum miners spent the majority of their time increasing their virtual (and in at least one case IRL) bank accounts. Despite this leading to many A-team members being individually wealthy, a pretty good joke at the time was A-team having epics. They simply couldn't afford them.

Well, Zeelot TMO was mostly uncontested. You had warm bodies like Alarti with full PD gear for very little work. If there was ever a time to be a raider, that was it. And the whole 'a-team/epics' thing was mostly a Tiggles troll. But with the current scene, I don't think being a raider is such a win. Let's say I decide I want to buy a White Dragon Helm so I can get FTII boots on Loraen. What are my options?

A: Farmer. Spend about 150 hours at various cash camps and buy one for 750k. I can do it on my own schedule, do a pretty decent variety of content, and stay pretty engaged because when you do things in 2/3 man groups your performance and strategy matter.

B: Racer. Spend about 125 hours staring at the wall at 15 DKP/hour and buy one for 2000 DKP. I think you have to be pretty crazy to prefer this.

C: Warmbody. Join A/A and attend about 125 raids at 15 dkp per raid and 30 minutes per and buy one for 2000 DKP. Content is basically all the same (log in at LTK, press autoattack/backstab/complete heal). Marginal contribution to any given raid is zero in a raid of 80 members. Can't control your schedule. DKP flow is pretty slow unless you get up in the middle of the night.

Now, the big advantage of raiding is all the no-drops that will never be for sale. But otherwise, I don't think it's a huge win.

[Alanus]

Well, Zeelot TMO was mostly uncontested. You had warm bodies like Alarti with full PD gear for very little work. If there was ever a time to be a raider, that was it. And the whole 'a-team/epics' thing was mostly a Tiggles troll. But with the current scene, I don't think being a raider is such a win. Let's say I decide I want to buy a White Dragon Helm so I can get FTII boots on Loraen. What are my options?

A: Farmer. Spend about 150 hours at various cash camps and buy one for 750k. I can do it on my own schedule, do a pretty decent variety of content, and stay pretty engaged because when you do things in 2/3 man groups your performance and strategy matter.

B: Racer. Spend about 125 hours staring at the wall at 15 DKP/hour and buy one for 2000 DKP. I think you have to be pretty crazy to prefer this.

C: Warmbody. Join A/A and attend about 125 raids at 15 dkp per raid and 30 minutes per and buy one for 2000 DKP. Content is basically all the same (log in at LTK, press autoattack/backstab/complete heal). Marginal contribution to any given raid is zero in a raid of 80 members. Can't control your schedule. DKP flow is pretty slow unless you get up in the middle of the night.

Now, the big advantage of raiding is all the no-drops that will never be for sale. But otherwise, I don't think it's a huge win.

What camp are you getting 5k/hour at?

[Raev]

Pretty much any camp? You just have to do things duo/trio rather than a full group. Example: the spore king drops a tunic every 5 hours. Duo monk/shaman, make 50k every 5 hours, split two ways is 5k/hour. Or, bring a full group and get 1.3k/hour.

[zanderklocke]

I can think of some ways to make 5-7K an hour pretty easily.

[Ivory]

I can think of some ways to make 5-7K an hour pretty easily.

It takes a lot of typing and you have to sit there with all your gear taken off though :o

[skarlorn]

Cause only the greatest fire giants have them