Belt of the Great Turtle... Why?

[fuark]

I've been trying to wrap my head around the 100k price tag on Belt of the Great Turtle. The 2 hp regen is (imo) meaningless and the 10 atk is as useful as clicking a goblin skull earring. It's not even a fashion quest item.

Is this the most overpriced item on the server? I can't think of a real reason to purchase it over a spider fur belt or RBG. If you have the money to waste on the belt, why not waste it on the plethora of more useful expensive items in the 100-300k range?

Especially for rogues, I'd always rather use a Lodi shield on my back slot for resists, a Tranix crown on my head for resists, and use the belt slot (which has little resist options) for something like an RBG, RBB, or Seahorse belt to reduce BS cooldown during raid fights.

What am I missing?

[lurk]

Its the only droppable aura of battle item. AoB stacks or atleast it should. And lodizal is a shit camp.

[azeth]

Kind of overpriced but you're seriously understating the value of worn stackable attack

[fuark]

Kind of overpriced but you're seriously understating the value of worn stackable attack

What other purchasable, stackable attack is there to get?

I understand why someone in full BIS gear might find it useful for its ability to stack, but that's a very, very, very small handful of players.

Its the only droppable aura of battle item. AoB stacks or atleast it should. And lodizal is a shit camp.

This was actually my point. There should be more belts of the great turtle on the server than people who can even make use of the fact that it stacks.

[azeth]

What other purchasable, stackable attack is there to get?

I understand why someone in full BIS gear might find it useful for its ability to stack, but that's a very, very, very small handful of players.

Right but that handful of players commits 20-40 hrs a week to bulk up their dkp to buy upgrades. Of course they would shell out high platinum for upgrades

[icedwards]

Kind of overpriced but you're seriously understating the value of worn stackable attack

Haste comes in multiple slots, turtle belt is the only droppable AoB item in the game (and 1 of 4 items a rogue can use). There's certainly other gear priorities you should have before buying a turtle belt, but once you're at the point of min/maxing the stackable atk from AoB shouldn't be ignored.

The belt is also a rare drop off a highly contested mob that only spawns every 18 hours and has the chance to skip. Scarcity is definitely driving the price up.

[paulgiamatti]

The regen is awesome actually. It basically takes the downtime out of soloing tons of stuff as a pure melee class even as your only regen item. On top of that it will stack with worn Fungal Regrowth or Regeneration, and with other Aura of Battle items as others have stated.

Raw +ATK is basically the best thing you can have on an item as a high level rogue. It's better than Grim Aura because it's worn - it stacks with anything and everything, while Grim Aura gets overwritten by Strength of Nature. Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring is actually more useful as a junk buff clicky than a +ATK buff.

On top of that the belt's stats are great.

Especially for rogues, I'd always rather use a Lodi shield on my back slot for resists, a Tranix crown on my head for resists, and use the belt slot (which has little resist options) for something like an RBG, RBB, or Seahorse belt to reduce BS cooldown during raid fights.

I wrestled over this for a bit after I found out about the backstab cooldown thing. If you're truly going min-max as a rogue then you're gonna want Cloak of Flames in your back slot, unless you have Grey Suede Boots or Silver Bracelet of Speed, and Lodi Belt in your belt slot. You could certainly sacrifice the 3%-9% backstab haste, regen, and +ATK in lieu of a different belt and focus more on HP and resists, but my preference is definitely the former. I've got plenty of hit points and resists for every encounter in the game even without my Lodi Shield or a RBG, so at the end of the day all I really care about is how quickly I'm making the mob dead.

[fuark]

I wrestled over this for a bit after I found out about the backstab cooldown thing. If you're truly going min-max as a rogue then you're gonna want Cloak of Flames in your back slot, unless you have Grey Suede Boots or Silver Bracelet of Speed, and Lodi Belt in your belt slot. You could certainly sacrifice the 3%-9% backstab haste, regen, and +ATK in lieu of a different belt and focus more on HP and resists, but my preference is definitely the former. I've got plenty of hit points and resists for every encounter in the game even without my Lodi Shield or a RBG, so at the end of the day all I really care about is how quickly I'm making the mob dead.

that's a good point, i guess it just comes down to what you prioritize

i supposed i'm just automatically assuming a lodi shield for the 20 fr cr 10 mr and a 34% haste belt is more important to me than the 10 attk and a 36% haste cloak

could see how someone would prioritize it the other way around though, cheers!

[Ravager]

The belt adds 28% regen boost to non-innate regen races, a 9% boost if they already have a fungi. In both cases, that's pretty significant. Plus all of that other great stuff the belt does.

[Erati]

is the regen stacking with Fungi tunic now?

also this belt makes me sad til they fix the Rogue Epic Haste, I cant even use this belt over my Sky belt QQ

[paulgiamatti]

is the regen stacking with Fungi tunic now?

also this belt makes me sad til they fix the Rogue Epic Haste, I cant even use this belt over my Sky belt QQ

Oh, I guess I assumed they stacked - I just tested it in game and I guess they don't. Still pretty great to have +2 HP of regen normally though - people tend to undervalue this, but in a game as slow-paced as EQ it's a lifesaver.

I'm not gonna hold my breath for a Ragebringer fix - they probably would've done it last patch if they had any intentions to. I used my Renard's Belt before I switched to CoF - still swap it in occasionally if I'm trying to maximize push.

[Cecily]

Do they seriously not stack?

[azeth]

Do they seriously not stack?

yea seems like there's a worn cap or something. stacks with iksar chest, but not fungi. so the cap is like +17 sitting

[paulgiamatti]

They do not - Fungal Regrowth currently overwrites AoB's regen component, and can only assume the same for worn Regeneration.

Edit - hmm, that's weird. How much is worn Regeneration per tick? Fungi is +15, and standing without innate regen is +4, so +19 standing with Fungi.

[maskedmelon]

Oh, I guess I assumed they stacked - I just tested it in game and I guess they don't. Still pretty great to have +2 HP of regen normally though - people tend to undervalue this, but in a game as slow-paced as EQ it's a lifesaver.


There is so much truth to this. 2hp/tick regen is essentially a free minor heal every minute. the health returned in 10minutes (200hp) is enough to effectively negate one combat round from ordinary mobs and in 2 hours you will regenerate health to replace two (2) ice comets. It's like one free torpor per hour, but a bit slower.

[Ravager]

Well, I was under the assumption that they were stacking. Changes my opinion a bit and I'd opt for some other belt. If the regen ever stacks with a fungi, I'd definitely want this.

[Spyder73]

The best class is Necromancer, and Zlandicar Heart is the best regen item/fashion quest item. If only usable in offhand would be a wet dream

#MasterRace
#MasterClass

[mefdinkins]

does belt regen stack with vindi BP Regen?

[Qtip]

Fungi and lodi belt dont stack? Thats very odd. I didnt think there was a cap on regen items in velious.

[icedwards]

does belt regen stack with vindi BP Regen?

Yup. Believe up to 3 AoB can stack, but I've only confirmed that two are working properly.

[Erati]

Yup. Believe up to 3 AoB can stack, but I've only confirmed that two are working properly.

false - All AoB will stack, you can have as many as you can collect, you are only limited to the fact that there are about 5ish AoB items in the game however.

Doze mask, Lodi Belt, Dain Belt, Spirit Cord, Vindi BP

As a rogue you can only stack the Mask, one belt and the Chardok quest thing. As a plate user you can add in the Vindi BP in addition. On p99 the regen and attack on all AoB items will stack with each other, its just the fungi tunic that the regen seems to not stack with even though it is suppose to.

I love my belt but just wish I could wear QQ Ragebringer haste :(

[Daldaen]

EQ had a worn limit on:

15 FT
35 Regen
250 ATK

Those were the caps during Luclin once FT stacking was fixed. It is safe to assume the worn Regen and ATK caps stayed constant throughout. Though it is possible it also didn't accept stacking of the same effect like FT functioned during Velious only allowing a single AoB worn effect.

Unfortunately for us in Velious, you cannot reach either cap due to not enough items with these worn effects.

Once Luclin launches though it may be a factor!