Nice move Shillary...

[Spyder73]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/politics/a-deadpan-hillary-clinton-visits-between-two-ferns.html?_r=0

In a desperate and thinly veiled attempt to re humanize herself to today's youth- Shillary let Zack Galafianakis interview her on "Between the Ferns". He owned her pretty good, including stopping her mid-stream to play a Trump campaign add.

Z: “I want to Meet the person who makes your pantsuits”
H: “Whys that?”
Z: “I want to go as a Librarian from Outer Space for Halloween”

Z: “Whats the best way to keep in contact with you, Email?”
H: …

Z: “So will you move to Canada when Trump wins”
C: “ill stay here”
Z: “So you’ll lead the civil war then?”
C: “that’s a big extreme”
Z: “Oh, right, you want to take everyone’s guns away”

[Whirled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqYJRc0TJkQ

[AzzarTheGod]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/politics/a-deadpan-hillary-clinton-visits-between-two-ferns.html?_r=0

In a desperate and thinly veiled attempt to re humanize herself to today's youth- Shillary let Zack Galafianakis interview her on "Between the Ferns". He owned her pretty good, including stopping her mid-stream to play a Trump campaign add.

Z: “I want to Meet the person who makes your pantsuits”
H: “Whys that?”
Z: “I want to go as a Librarian from Outer Space for Halloween”

Z: “Whats the best way to keep in contact with you, Email?”
H: …

Z: “So will you move to Canada when Trump wins”
C: “ill stay here”
Z: “So you’ll lead the civil war then?”
C: “that’s a big extreme”
Z: “Oh, right, you want to take everyone’s guns away”

Holy shit. This was a bad idea whichever staffer greenlighted this.

An interview with a real comedian for someone like Hillary is atrocious.

Only Trump can self-deprecate. (He has done it on network TV recently and everyone had good laughs) Hillary is the type to kill you for it. Fragile egos make for bad leaders.

Even 0bama can take a joke. Hillary is just cringe.

Whats Hillary going to do if Vladimir Putin tells her sternly to "SHUT THE FUCK UP, DUMB BITCH". Keel over and die? (I'm dead serious, can you picture this?).

Other leaders can exploit her health. I'd tell her to SHUT IT and shout at her. She'd be on a stretcher. You have seen how she responds to loud noise and interjections. Petty mal seizure all over the place.

[Pokesan]

i thought it was pretty funny

[R Flair]

I thought it was funny too, but it would have just as funny if not funnier if he would have had the interview with cardboard hillary cutout.

[entruil]

her recent speech was lookin pretty unhinged like bernie's vacation style puppet string broke and jeff dunham sector alien overlords are having a recall... the banshee voice was showing too... will watch zack link later...

[AzzarTheGod]

just watched it. it wasn't bad.

still glad I dropped fuckin bands on it earlier man.

<------ Its what I do.

[Angushjalmur]

And how does president Obama like his coffee? Like himself?


Weak?

http://i.imgur.com/pKSH2ao.png

[skarlorn]

One of my new favorite ferns

[Anderdale]

So was this supposed to benefit her?

[Daywolf]

Move? I'm surprised she can move at all with that colostomy bag wrapped around her left leg. Her "pantsuits" can only hide so much, and cant hold the falling parts as they drag her unconscious into a van such as on 9-11-2016.

[Grimjaw]

thrown in "like a side of beef"

[R Flair]

http://imgur.com/PvOvZnM.jpg

Just had to share this video. So funny, so good, and most importantly, so accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7LWJaBFIFw

[Angushjalmur]

Stop comparing hillary to someone who was, all things considered, an objectively incredible leader

[R Flair]

Jews aside, the millions of germans and others who died for holding a different opinion would beg from the grave, to disagree with you.

Trying to take over the world by force and using your people to do so, makes you objectively a horrible leader and a horrible person in general.

[AzzarTheGod]

Yeah never forget the 85 Gabillion.

Seriously though, its unfortunate Jews were placed into labor camps. But the US has done similar stuff.

Enough with demonizing 1 person. The soviets made up death camps as propaganda, American Red Cross didn't find any evidence in the camps they liberated.

There was maybe 1-2 camp where sick and dying Jews were being euthanized in Auschwitz. Again, its unfortunate about the concentration camps and the way Jews were treated, but it wasn't some grand demon design. Can we cut that out?

[R Flair]

First, I said jews aside. Even if not a single jew died, he was still a horrible leader and person and had the US not have intervened when they did, he would have nuked the world if they stood in his way (they were right behind us in a-bomb research).

No, we can't cut that out. Its the go to example of bad policies, bad leadership, and megalomania in general.

He was evil incarnate.

[AzzarTheGod]

Even if not a single jew died, he was still a horrible leader
He was evil incarnate.

At a certain point, yes, I don't think anyone is arguing against that who is taken seriously, at least not me. He went mad.

There was a time for him to pass the torch, his constituents tried to get him to pass the torch, and it didn't happen. Too many loyalists in every branch of the military and the tyrant had to be uprooted through intervention.

After the gains in the Blitzkrieg he had a chance to start negotiations but there was so much anger over WW1 can you blame him for exacting a bit of revenge on his neighbors? What started out as a bit of revenge turned into insanity yada yada.

But you can't say he didn't "used to was" as far as being a great leader goes. I think that's a bogus statement. The economic turnaround of Germany speaks for itself (pre-Blitz, even before the Wehrmacht even began to create jobs). Let me guess, you are going to claim the seizing of Jewish property and shekels is the reason for all of Germany's economic success under the father :rolleyes:



His reforms worked. The design was working. His government worked.

[Nihilist_santa]

http://i.imgur.com/TFvLwES.jpg

1938 Man of the Year for a reason.

[AzzarTheGod]

America was in awe at the time.

It had everything to do with his economic and fiscal policy and reforms, and how it was WORKING.

[Ahldagor]

Here we go again with the Hitler, Holocaust, and word mincing there of. Argue it all you want, it happened, Hitler was so high on meth he didn't even second guess killing his dog, some samurai suicide bullshit show of strength. Take the execution with a smile, you can't imagine Nuremberg if he were on trial.

[JurisDictum]

There are few metrics you could look at and say Hitler was "good at being leader" if you will. He truly was brilliant at military strategy. He kinds of went nuts toward the end though in this regard.

He was also a great propagandist and knew how to consolidate power better than most would. He was so good he even convinced himself.

But in the end I think Germany would have been a lot better off if they did not go fascist. In fact, going full blown communist might have panned out a lot better.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/TFvLwES.jpg

1938 Man of the Year for a reason.

Nuff said really.

ITT: zogbots proclaim stuff they were spoonfed in highschool while wearing a baby-bib.

[R Flair]

if you have to worship a villain to feel "woke" then its sad

[Nihilist_santa]

There are few metrics you could look at and say Hitler was "good at being leader" if you will. He truly was brilliant at military strategy. He kinds of went nuts toward the end though in this regard.

He was also a great propagandist and knew how to consolidate power better than most would. He was so good he even convinced himself.

But in the end I think Germany would have been a lot better off if they did not go fascist. In fact, going full blown communist might have panned out a lot better.

Umm half of Germany went full blown communist for 40+ years and it was one of the most culturally destructive events in recent history.

He was a good leader because he focused on his country and its people. He kicked out the (((double agents))) from their positions and ended their usurious laws. He attempted to practice positive eugenics among his people and establish an autarky to avoid international conflicts and financial entanglements. The myth of Nazi dreams of world domination are completely overblown and had they not held off the communist as long as they had the rest of Europe and possibly the UK would have undergone the same horrific communist occupation in which millions were starved and purged.

[JurisDictum]

Umm half of Germany went full blown communist for 40+ years and it was one of the most culturally destructive events in recent history.

He was a good leader because he focused on his country and its people. He kicked out the (((double agents))) from their positions and ended their usurious laws. He attempted to practice positive eugenics among his people and establish an autarky to avoid international conflicts and financial entanglements. The myth of Nazi dreams of world domination are completely overblown and had they not held off the communist as long as they had the rest of Europe and possibly the UK would have undergone the same horrific communist occupation in which millions were starved and purged.

Well the key part of that is "half" of Germany. It was imposed by an outside leader and not their own. They would have needed their own Stalin. They needed to be united. Not divided up among the war victors and then puppeted.

This is all going by the assumption that you don't give a fuck about human cost. How ever you cut it, Hilter killed lots of people to impose his vision (like Stalin). Not to mention the sense of liberty was very limited.

[AzzarTheGod]

Great point about the Red Tide, santa.

[entruil]

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment)

never read the book, im sure i disagree with some stuff, what step are we on?

[Ahldagor]

Umm half of Germany went full blown communist for 40+ years and it was one of the most culturally destructive events in recent history.

He was a good leader because he focused on his country and its people. He kicked out the (((double agents))) from their positions and ended their usurious laws. He attempted to practice positive eugenics among his people and establish an autarky to avoid international conflicts and financial entanglements. The myth of Nazi dreams of world domination are completely overblown and had they not held off the communist as long as they had the rest of Europe and possibly the UK would have undergone the same horrific communist occupation in which millions were starved and purged.

The dude felt Germany was the heir to the Roman empire. He was going for world domination, governance. The Danzig region in Poland was the proverbial straw since appeasement had been the policy due to his claim of cultural separation due to the Versaille treaty, but Poland was all around the Danzig region; so in order to appease, land had to be given up by Poland who basically said fuck that you signed the treaty since you lost the great war and were punished for being the aggressor, Prussia. Poland and Prussia have had their differences in the past no doubt.

Goebbels was phenonlmenal at his job and so were the civic engineers. Can't deny that. He put people to work and gave them a feeling of worth then dissolved the workers party into the mitary along with everything else. All legaly too, some damn good lawyering (especially how Goebbels consolidated the film industry through state operated financing).

[Nihilist_santa]

The dude felt Germany was the heir to the Roman empire. He was going for world domination, governance. The Danzig region in Poland was the proverbial straw since appeasement had been the policy due to his claim of cultural separation due to the Versaille treaty, but Poland was all around the Danzig region; so in order to appease, land had to be given up by Poland who basically said fuck that you signed the treaty since you lost the great war and were punished for being the aggressor, Prussia. Poland and Prussia have had their differences in the past no doubt.

Goebbels was phenonlmenal at his job and so were the civic engineers. Can't deny that. He put people to work and gave them a feeling of worth then dissolved the workers party into the mitary along with everything else. All legaly too, some damn good lawyering (especially how Goebbels consolidated the film industry through state operated financing).

He sent in commandos to rescue Mussolini which shows he hardly wanted to invade or conquer Italy. He made 9 different attempts at peace with the UK. He had treaties with Japan and the Ottomans. He had only broke the pact with the Soviets because Stalin was mobilizing a million men along the eastern border.

The whole Roman empire thing is esoteric and historic but hardly proves he wanted to rule the world.

Goebbels did a great job of destroying the propaganda coming from the UK and the Soviets. The film industry was still pretty new and people were only then figuring out the power of that medium.

You should listen to some of Hitler or Goebbels speeches. They are pretty prophetic.

[Ahldagor]

He sent in commandos to rescue Mussolini which shows he hardly wanted to invade or conquer Italy. He made 9 different attempts at peace with the UK. He had treaties with Japan and the Ottomans. He had only broke the pact with the Soviets because Stalin was mobilizing a million men along the eastern border.

The whole Roman empire thing is esoteric and historic but hardly proves he wanted to rule the world.

Goebbels did a great job of destroying the propaganda coming from the UK and the Soviets. The film industry was still pretty new and people were only then figuring out the power of that medium.

You should listen to some of Hitler or Goebbels speeches. They are pretty prophetic.

Italy was an ally and so was Japan. Germany went into Russia not because of troops but for the oil because Germany has none. Same reason Japan took the Philippines and SE Asia. Germany didn't, doesn't have enough resources to sustain a long term war which was the initial reason for having an alliance with Russia, cheap oil.

[R Flair]

The issue isn't that complicated. When a leader arbitrarily decides for all citizens what their "best interests" are and kill dissidents, your leader is an evil bad guy and your country sucks. This becomes even more obvious when such a leader decides to kill rather than deport your supposed "enemy within."

The fact that it even has to be explained how Hitler was not only a horrible person but a horrible, oppressive leader is beyond ridiculous.

[Nihilist_santa]

The issue isn't that complicated. When a leader arbitrarily decides for all citizens what their "best interests" are and kill dissidents, your leader is an evil bad guy and your country sucks. This becomes even more obvious when such a leader decides to kill rather than deport your supposed "enemy within."

The fact that it even has to be explained how Hitler was not only a horrible person but a horrible, oppressive leader is beyond ridiculous.

He did deport them. He signed the transfer agreement allowing them to leave Germany and take all of their possessions with them.

[R Flair]

He did deport them. He signed the transfer agreement allowing them to leave Germany and take all of their possessions with them.

Whatever you have to tell yourself. Deportation to labor camps doesn't count.

[Daywolf]

Most nations do fine in the beginning with a new government/fiscal/economic structure (within reason), but always fall to corruption as that new structure grows and grows in size over time (i.e. Roman Empire etc). It's just inherent with all nations that embrace excessive government, which is why the founders of the US constitution emphasized limited government, though we have virtually abandoned and imo are doomed on this path.

But anyway, what's the good of Hitlers Germany? I mean the outcome wasn't a success, but a complete defeat and collapse. I mean we can argue over short-term and long-term economic structures, but Germany had but a short-term implementation of it as other policies brought it to an aggressive stance against the world resulting in a pretty sad state by the end of WWII.

I could say that Piracy is a wonderful government structure if we only consider the economic aspects of it. And Pirate ships (speaking of ~18th century, not modern) generally did have their own form of government, primarily a pure democracy, even voted on who to be Captain.

[AzzarTheGod]

^ What a load of shit Daywolf. You're going to make Santa or I start throwing numbers at you, if this was a different thread topic.

I can only interpret that post as a bait. Not even subtle...

[R Flair]

was a spot on analogy tbh

[AzzarTheGod]

The dude felt Germany was the heir to the Roman empire. He was going for world domination, governance. The Danzig region in Poland was the proverbial straw since appeasement had been the policy due to his claim of cultural separation due to the Versaille treaty, but Poland was all around the Danzig region; so in order to appease, land had to be given up by Poland who basically said fuck that you signed the treaty since you lost the great war and were punished for being the aggressor, Prussia. Poland and Prussia have had their differences in the past no doubt.

Goebbels was phenonlmenal at his job and so were the civic engineers. Can't deny that. He put people to work and gave them a feeling of worth then dissolved the workers party into the mitary along with everything else. All legaly too, some damn good lawyering (especially how Goebbels consolidated the film industry through state operated financing).

Pretty good post.

[Daywolf]

a bait
Nope, not a bait, just sayin how I sees it in as few words as possible. It's just been the scourge of civilization, it starts great, grows, gets out of control, then falls. Again and again, resetting the matrix every time, doing it all over expecting a different outcome.

I don't stand behind the concept of a small limited government because just because because. Instead of debating me over it, save time and spend a couple hours watching this: https://youtu.be/qh7rdCYCQ_U The Truth About The Fall of Rome: Modern Parallels. Or maybe when you are bored and want to expand your horizons a little. Bookmark it or something. Excellent excellent lecture, two and half hours, have watched it twice paying attention.

[entruil]

I'm not going to watch that, I'm going to the circus to get some bread.

[Daywolf]

I'm not going to watch that, I'm going to the circus to get some bread.
hah someones seen it.. :D

[Nihilist_santa]

Whatever you have to tell yourself. Deportation to labor camps doesn't count.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Put down the 7th grade social studies book and actually dig into these claims.

[Jarnauga]

read this thread

then remember that whenever you call someone fascist here, it's everyone-i-dont-agree-with-is-hitler.gif

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[entruil]

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." Winston Churchill

"Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference." Winston Churchill

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill

"If you're going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly." Winston Churchill

/shrug (can feel the globalist powers smiling down when i read some of these)


Wasn't Hitler an apprentice of the dark side? ...

My post has literally nothing to do with anything... nothing to see here, move along

[Pokesan]

"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." Winston Churchill

"Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference." Winston Churchill

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill

"If you're going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly." Winston Churchill

/shrug (can feel the globalist powers smiling down when i read some of these)


Wasn't Hitler an apprentice of the dark side? ...

My post has literally nothing to do with anything... nothing to see here, move along

get outta here mr yankovic

[entruil]

get outta here mr yankovic

Alfred "Wierd Al" Yankovic - Livin' In The Fridge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L295Gpt6r8U)

[R Flair]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Put down the 7th grade social studies book and actually dig into these claims.

Its like arguing with a liberal (oh wait, hitler was a liberal) discussing this. You like to name call and assume everyone is ignorant of everything to cover up the fact that neither history, nor facts, nor logic are on your side in the matter.

Deporting some will never make up for imprisoning others. Sorry. You lose again.

[Nihilist_santa]

http://i.imgur.com/XahNha6.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

I read that in a Little Nicky voice.

lol

[R Flair]

Appeal to ridicule. You lose again.

[Nihilist_santa]

You want to be the next guy getting bricks stacked on his head son?

http://i.imgur.com/GtgNJiH.gif

[Pokesan]

You want to be the next guy getting bricks stacked on his head son?

http://i.imgur.com/GtgNJiH.gif

i think both teams would appreciate if you stopped tossing bricks :eek:

[R Flair]

It must suck being a progressive and not being able to use the racist card.

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm about to stack some bricks myself, when I have the time.

Its been a while since I dusted off the books from the zogbot-free economics section. I could use a refresher on the actual state of pre and post-Blitz Germany.

This is a great opportunity for an exercise, the only thing that gives me pause, aside from the lack of sleep due to my undergraduate degenerate scumbag immigrant Muslim neighbor (no racism here mods, he's a legit scumbag and immigrant on a full ride to University. It just so happens that he is Muslim too. Does drugs all day and watches loud violent action movies until 11 AM every night when I can finally go to sleep until the cycle repeats itself [BROTHERS OF ODIN, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, PLEASE SEND HELP]) going to a 41k/yr school on a free ride so he can spend the same amount on affording to live in my luxury community-- is the thread topic itself being unworthy of any masonry.

The opponents aren't exactly all that enticing either. This would definitely be an exercise.

[Pokesan]

I'm about to stack some bricks myself, when I have the time.

Its been a while since I dusted off the books from the zogbot-free economics section. I could use a refresher on the actual state of pre and post-Blitz Germany.

This is a great opportunity for an exercise, the only thing that gives me pause, aside from the lack of sleep due to my undergraduate degenerate scumbag immigrant Muslim neighbor (no racism here mods, he's a legit scumbag and immigrant on a full ride to University. It just so happens that he is Muslim too. Does drugs all day and watches loud violent action movies until 11 AM every night when I can finally go to sleep until the cycle repeats itself [BROTHERS OF ODIN, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, PLEASE SEND HELP]) going to a 41k/yr school on a free ride so he can spend the same amount on affording to live in my luxury community-- is the thread topic itself being unworthy of any masonry.

The opponents aren't exactly all that enticing either. This would definitely be an exercise.

have you tried sucking his dick to establish dominance?

[mickmoranis]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/23/us/politics/a-deadpan-hillary-clinton-visits-between-two-ferns.html?_r=0

In a desperate and thinly veiled attempt to re humanize herself to today's youth- Shillary let Zack Galafianakis interview her on "Between the Ferns". He owned her pretty good, including stopping her mid-stream to play a Trump campaign add.

Z: “I want to Meet the person who makes your pantsuits”
H: “Whys that?”
Z: “I want to go as a Librarian from Outer Space for Halloween”

Z: “Whats the best way to keep in contact with you, Email?”
H: …

Z: “So will you move to Canada when Trump wins”
C: “ill stay here”
Z: “So you’ll lead the civil war then?”
C: “that’s a big extreme”
Z: “Oh, right, you want to take everyone’s guns away”

The irony is, which shows just how out of touch she is, that this show is written for the guest to be rude and deadpan.. its part of the whole shtick.. but since her demeanor in public is always, rude and deadpan... it doesn't do anything but help liberals circle jerk over her and definitely doesn't convince me to vote for her greedy yet robot like fucking horrible soul.

[Ahldagor]

I'm about to stack some bricks myself, when I have the time.

Its been a while since I dusted off the books from the zogbot-free economics section. I could use a refresher on the actual state of pre and post-Blitz Germany.

This is a great opportunity for an exercise, the only thing that gives me pause, aside from the lack of sleep due to my undergraduate degenerate scumbag immigrant Muslim neighbor (no racism here mods, he's a legit scumbag and immigrant on a full ride to University. It just so happens that he is Muslim too. Does drugs all day and watches loud violent action movies until 11 AM every night when I can finally go to sleep until the cycle repeats itself [BROTHERS OF ODIN, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, PLEASE SEND HELP]) going to a 41k/yr school on a free ride so he can spend the same amount on affording to live in my luxury community-- is the thread topic itself being unworthy of any masonry.

The opponents aren't exactly all that enticing either. This would definitely be an exercise.

Crazy low manufacturing due to France's take from Weltkrieg Eins and the limitations on manufacturing to limit resources for military production, limited military, then crazy inflation that was coupled with the great depression. Post Weltkrieg 2 it depends on east or west. Germany was punished for ww1 and it directly led to ww2 which is why the west was more lenient, but USSR said fuck it it's ours until the wall came down. Check out Goodbye Lenin and The Lives of Others (they're more about the culture than the characters).

[Nihilist_santa]

I'm about to stack some bricks myself, when I have the time.

Its been a while since I dusted off the books from the zogbot-free economics section. I could use a refresher on the actual state of pre and post-Blitz Germany.

This is a great opportunity for an exercise, the only thing that gives me pause, aside from the lack of sleep due to my undergraduate degenerate scumbag immigrant Muslim neighbor (no racism here mods, he's a legit scumbag and immigrant on a full ride to University. It just so happens that he is Muslim too. Does drugs all day and watches loud violent action movies until 11 AM every night when I can finally go to sleep until the cycle repeats itself [BROTHERS OF ODIN, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, PLEASE SEND HELP]) going to a 41k/yr school on a free ride so he can spend the same amount on affording to live in my luxury community-- is the thread topic itself being unworthy of any masonry.

The opponents aren't exactly all that enticing either. This would definitely be an exercise.

This has been pretty much me. All of these free thinkers cant do anything but repeat shit they learned in middle school or from Alex Jones/pundit of choice. Some like the nature boy start throwing around the word fact without presenting anything. They literally believe that a collective of PURELY evil men existed and wanted to take over the world and oven everyone but Luke Skywalker and the forces of good prevailed. Too much Star Wars and shit for this lost generation.

[Jarnauga]

This has been pretty much me. All of these free thinkers cant do anything but repeat shit they learned in middle school or from Alex Jones/pundit of choice. Some like the nature boy start throwing around the word fact without presenting anything. They literally believe that a collective of PURELY evil men existed and wanted to take over the world and oven everyone but Luke Skywalker and the forces of good prevailed. Too much Star Wars and shit for this lost generation.

read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origins_of_Totalitarianism

[Nihilist_santa]

read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origins_of_Totalitarianism

I will look it over but already red flags are going off with the author (((Hannah Arendt))).

[Ahldagor]

I will look it over but already red flags are going off with the author (((Hannah Arendt))).

The 704 pages concerns me more.

Secure the support of the generals, muster public fervor, create an other to ostracize, establish grass roots momentum, and then profit. Bam, one sentence.

[Daywolf]

nature boy
Hah! Interesting, people use to call me "spirit boy" when I was a boy (well in my teens), I just sort of knew things.

But still, in this case, the model was temporary. It had a short term effect, yes, but this is often the case when governments reform and push in a different direction, if they ditch corruption from the previous government. The difference is on proven outcome. Since the system wasn't able to continue, projecting what could have been is simply theoretical. But unfortunately, compared to the history of governments, they all eventually collapse. I'm not putting it as fact, not in and of itself, since we really didn't see a prolonged result of it. But in comparison to every other government that has risen and fallen, one can only theorize along those lines as is the usual plight of government throughout history. With it's ending, we are only left with it's once held theory, a govt system claimed to be able to endure 1000 years. I can't observe that since it's gone, so no facts involved by any perspective.

Many of the guys that wrote up our constitution knew about this, about the problems of government in general, which is why they stressed limited government. Over 200 years, not a bad run so far. Of course things are changing, it's growing and out of control far beyond it's original limited powers. I'm certain that what we have now can't last much longer, as is the norm. It wasn't ideal perfection, that's for sure, but it was enduring to a point, and then it was abandoned for a new idea, same as every other.

If we are so advanced, we shouldn't even need a nanny state. If we are so enlightened, we should be able to self-govern rather than to be as children for some government entity to monitor and make decisions for us. But what we get out of govt is mostly the blind leading the blind along with everyone else often by force. It's about as bad as a sighted man being lead at fast pace by a half-hazard blind man though busy city streets. We are always stuck with the human component with government, thus the more of that component you have, the more likely it'll fail. It's just a given.

[skarlorn]

Hah! Interesting, people use to call me "spirit boy" when I was a boy (well in my teens), I just sort of knew things.

take this sort of sh*t to RNF



































period

[Ahldagor]

Daywolf, you can't be that ignorant of Ric Flair. Dude's a legend.

[Daywolf]

Daywolf, you can't be that ignorant of Ric Flair. Dude's a legend.Well yeah he already let me know he was talking about someone else. Really, for the life of me, I only understand about half of what AtG ever says... :D
So it changes the reply I guess, but all sorted out.

ps and no, I didn't know who Flair was/is. I stopped watching wrestling a long time ago. I did for a while though, Hogan, Piper, Andre the Giant etc. I just mostly watch motorsports, GP and F1 mainly.

[Jarnauga]

The 704 pages concerns me more.

Secure the support of the generals, muster public fervor, create an other to ostracize, establish grass roots momentum, and then profit. Bam, one sentence.

the point of Arendt is that we can all be evil, like Eichman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#The_banality_of_evil), you don't need to be a sociopath

you can link that to the stanford and milgram experiments for example

The dynamics of people as a group are different i think.. i'm not really a psychologist/sociologist

[Ahldagor]

the point of Arendt is that we can all be evil, like Eichman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem#The_banality_of_evil), you don't need to be a sociopath

you can link that to the stanford and milgram experiments for example

The dynamics of people as a group are different i think.. i'm not really a psychologist/sociologist

I get that. Just 704 pages is a bit much. A 25 page essay would be sufficient.

[Jarnauga]

Back on topic:

Q: So now that we’ve seen how many people have watched this episode, have you been approached by Donald Trump’s campaign wanting to get in on things?

A: No. That doesn’t interest me. Doing it the other way doesn’t interest me. He’s the kind of guy who likes attention – bad attention or good attention. So you’re dealing with a psychosis there that’s a little weird.

I wouldn’t have somebody on that’s so mentally challenged. I feel like I’d be taking advantage of him. And you can print that.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-zach-galifianakis-clinton-between-two-ferns-20160924-snap-story.html

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