A solution to expansions

[Samocles]

Obviously, one of the primary problems facing project1999 is the severe lack of content in store, and the economical disaster that results from it.
But, instead of waiting for an expiration date, what if we could make our own content?
Obviously, it would take a fair amount of resources, but I'm sure this community has a fair number of people would love to participate in making new content for everquest.

[Baler]

Player run events may be a good way to start.

[Samocles]

Player run events may be a good way to start.

Actually, this isn't a bad idea.
From what I remember, GM events actually helped with world-building, and we wouldn't need as much content, compared to new zones.

[Tolgrim]

Obviously, one of the primary problems facing project1999 is the severe lack of content in store, and the economical disaster that results from it.
But, instead of waiting for an expiration date, what if we could make our own content?
Obviously, it would take a fair amount of resources, but I'm sure this community has a fair number of people would love to participate in making new content for everquest.

I can see where you're coming from but with time the game would be ruined. The entire point of project 1999 is in the name. An authentic old school experience.

[Swish]

Give me the opportunity coach and I'll create a kerran invasion quest line everyone can enjoy! :D <3

[Sebastionleo]

New server, with Luclin.

Or, same server, with Luclin, minus the bazaar and the ability to port wherever from the Nexus to keep the economy and port business alive.

[fragmaster]

While custom content has been talked about, it's not going to be worked on or thought through until Velious is patch complete and a Green server is in place. Personally, I'm happy with what we have. I want to play classic EQ until I die.

[Sporkotron]

I'm happy with what we have. I want to play classic EQ until I die.

[Indefinite]

Obviously, one of the primary problems facing project1999 is the severe lack of content in store, and the economical disaster that results from it....

Halting the advancement horizon is pretty integral to the servers mantra; it has to stop somewhere anyways so why not stop at classic? Give a mouse a cookie..

[Tankdan]

Luclin release year: 2001

Wow how unclassic, tell me more about how it isnt classic.

[Swish]

If you open te door to Luclin there'll be a Black Friday stampede for PoP :)

[Sporkotron]

Luclin release year: 2001

Wow how unclassic, tell me more about how it isnt classic.

Well, considering everything shitty started with Luclin I wouldn't call it "classic".

Luclin is "Classic" like Star Trek 5 is "Classic" in that its old but also universally agreed to be absolutely dogshit installment of a well liked franchise, at least by anyone who is smart enough to find their ass with both hands.

Sure, Rocky 5 could be considered a "classic movie" in the sense that its old, but in nobody who has the slightest bit of taste would ever refer to it as a classic. Just like SoL or PoP.

[Zekayy]

They already confirmed theyre doing customn content get over not having luclin

[radda]

Give me the opportunity coach and I'll create a kerran invasion quest line everyone can enjoy! :D <3

up their level and add some new loot,
i'd kill there
come onnnnn

[Evia]

Well, considering everything shitty started with Luclin I wouldn't call it "classic".

Luclin is "Classic" like Star Trek 5 is "Classic" in that its old but also universally agreed to be absolutely dogshit installment of a well liked franchise, at least by anyone who is smart enough to find their ass with both hands.

Sure, Rocky 5 could be considered a "classic movie" in the sense that its old, but in nobody who has the slightest bit of taste would ever refer to it as a classic. Just like SoL or PoP.


Yes, yes, and yep

[Murri]

A fishing pole epic quest.

[Sebastionleo]

Luclin did some things that ruin the community, especially one as small as ours, however the content was amazing. Ssra was a really fun zone with some great fights. VT was a great place for cool gear that you had to put in a lot of work to get to (perfect for this server) Luclin also opened up a lot of cool exping zones instead of the same ones over and over (Velious did almost nothing for places to EXP because the mobs have more HP and its got lower ZEMs) There's some fun world events, and a ton of great raid mobs. I still don't understand how anybody could be against adding the good parts of Luclin and removing the bazaar and porting to and from the Nexus from spires. It would be like adding custom content except it already exists and was fun. There a few new mechanics as well, so its not just poopsock, train everything, and then tank and spank the boss.

AA came out with Luclin didn't they? I feel like a lot of people would say no to AA's, however I'm sure the hardcore raider types would love AA.

[Jimjam]

Well, considering everything shitty started with Luclin I wouldn't call it "classic".

Luclin is "Classic" like Star Trek 5 is "Classic" in that its old but also universally agreed to be absolutely dogshit installment of a well liked franchise, at least by anyone who is smart enough to find their ass with both hands.

Sure, Rocky 5 could be considered a "classic movie" in the sense that its old, but in nobody who has the slightest bit of taste would ever refer to it as a classic. Just like SoL or PoP.

Nah, Kunark broke the itemisation philosophy of EQ. Assuming planes or dragon itemisation didn't.

[Swish]

As with the new Ghostbusters movie, you wonder if anyone on the production crew viewed it before sending it to the public/cinemas stopped and said "shit, are we really going to ask people to watch this?" - Rocky 5 was baaad :(

[paulgiamatti]

Well, considering everything shitty started with Luclin I wouldn't call it "classic".

Luclin is "Classic" like Star Trek 5 is "Classic" in that its old but also universally agreed to be absolutely dogshit installment of a well liked franchise, at least by anyone who is smart enough to find their ass with both hands.

Sure, Rocky 5 could be considered a "classic movie" in the sense that its old, but in nobody who has the slightest bit of taste would ever refer to it as a classic. Just like SoL or PoP.

PotY

Seriously tho, log into the EZ Server or one of the preferred/standard servers and go reexplore Luclin - the zone layout and design is just laughably bad, even by EQ's abysmal standards. All of the dungeons are nauseatingly bland and uninteresting, all of the new creature models don't look or move anything like Verant's EQ, and don't get me started on the new race models which, yes, are used for all NPCs as well. It's a completely left-field approach to the franchise by an obviously new team of developers who didn't really understand anything about the game up to that point - aesthetics least of all.

[Brontus]

The solution is simple:

1) leave blue server stuck at Velious for the purists

2) create a new server that goes forward with future expansions.

This way everyone wins. Freedom of choice.

[Dronuspk]

I wouldn't mind Luclin, but we don't really need many new zones when there are plenty of existing zones always empty.

Wouldn't be fun to add Luclin and only places be filled is PC/Dawnshroud/Grieg's End

The custom content is a good idea, but only if they add custom content to existing dead zones. Give people more of a reason to go into EVERY existing P99 zone. That would honestly benefit the entire server instead of having 30+ people in Mistmoore/Unrest/City of Mist/Seb every day.

[Korrupt]

There use to be server held events by players all the time back in the day durring classic/kunark with small giveaways, some of them just for fun.

I plan on doing things like that once im lvled back up here. Specially giveaways.

Player made content sounds horrific and would not recommend it unless it was another p99 server.

[Korrupt]

Id love to see this place go to luclin and PoP then stop. Even if it was a new server id def play it.

[Ravager]

The solution is the same as it was back in 2001. Play something else.

[fadetree]

No. Just no. Play something else.
I'd like PoP, but it isn't going to happen.

[Sporkotron]

Nah, Kunark broke the itemisation philosophy of EQ. Assuming planes or dragon itemisation didn't.

That's retarded and you're retarded for saying as much. You should feel a lot of shame for how stupid you've been and reflect on your life.

Itemization isn't the problem with SoL, the shitty generic content in the expansion, the shitty changes to the economy, the zones that makes earlier content obsolete, the idiotic hub zones and the dumb ass AAs are the problems with SoL.

All taken together SoL broke EQ so bad that only mercs were able to eventually somewhat repair the damage, and if that is your idea of EQ then you need to just fuck right off and die somewhere.

SoL changed EQ from a game where everyone had a whole stable of alts and a huge number of zones of a wide variety of level ranges were always populated, to 90% empty piece of shit game based around grinding away at the same shitty character for years on end to get more dumb ass points.

[Sporkotron]

The solution is simple:

1) leave blue server stuck at Velious for the purists

2) create a new server that goes forward with future expansions.

This way everyone wins. Freedom of choice.

How about this for choice: Play Classic EQ on p99, or fuck off to EQlive or the EZ mode server if you want moon cats.

Everyone wins: People on p99 don't have to play with the mentally handicapped players that thought SoL wasn't the most god awful piece of shit they've ever seen.

And said ree-rees who love idiotic hub zones, auction houses and moon cats can go fuck off somewhere never to be seen from again.

It really sounds like a win-win all around.

[maskedmelon]

If the time ever comes that p99 becomes psomethingelse, I will write custom content for you all and you all will love me and we will all be #winning.

[Jimjam]

That's retarded and you're retarded for saying as much. You should feel a lot of shame for how stupid you've been and reflect on your life.

Itemization isn't the problem with SoL, the shitty generic content in the expansion, the shitty changes to the economy, the zones that makes earlier content obsolete, the idiotic hub zones and the dumb ass AAs are the problems with SoL.

All taken together SoL broke EQ so bad that only mercs were able to eventually somewhat repair the damage, and if that is your idea of EQ then you need to just fuck right off and die somewhere.

SoL changed EQ from a game where everyone had a whole stable of alts and a huge number of zones of a wide variety of level ranges were always populated, to 90% empty piece of shit game based around grinding away at the same shitty character for years on end to get more dumb ass points.

I don't know whether to reply to someone who proclaims such specialisation in Retardation, but I guess I'll bite.

It is a matter of perspective on where to draw the line.

Kunark and Velious made the population more thinly spread and encouraged grinding away at the same shitty character for years on end to get more dumb 50+ hell levels and faction/gem collection quests.

From the subtext of your post it seems you thought I was defending Luclin? Quite the opposite; personally I'd rather an expansion less server with no planes than one with Kunark through Planes of Power.
If the time ever comes that p99 becomes psomethingelse, I will write custom content for you all and you all will love me and we will all be #winning.

My aspirations are rising for the Plane of Boobs.

[Whirled]

My aspirations are rising for the Plane of Boobs.

You have entered Washington DC as congress is in session.

You have been hit with waffles for 100 points of damage.

You have been stunned by the lack of progress.

You have been kicked by An_Evil_Politician_01 for 300 damage.

Speaker of the House begins casting a spell...

You have been knocked unconscious by random thoughts of insanity, idiotic ramblings, false promises & pandering.

You regain consciousness.
You have been hit by Gravity Flux for 500 damage.

You have been slain by Speaker of the House.

Returning to bind point....

[maskedmelon]

My aspirations are rising for the Plane of Boobs.

Look with hope to the future dear friend.

Ravenous Lechers, Long Lost Loves, Sumptuous Crumpets & Ill-Kempt Whores eagerly await your entry into the untamed Plane of Passion!

Enjoy countless hours farming Stingy Codgers and Stooped Crones in search of the Grand Miser, overseer of the Bankers and Money Lenders in the Plane of Greed!

Hone your skills and take what you will from the Dirty Recluses, Contented Cucks & Dithering Dolts in the factionless Plane of Apathy !

[fadetree]

That's retarded and you're retarded for saying as much. You should feel a lot of shame for how stupid you've been and reflect on your life.

Itemization isn't the problem with SoL, the shitty generic content in the expansion, the shitty changes to the economy, the zones that makes earlier content obsolete, the idiotic hub zones and the dumb ass AAs are the problems with SoL.

All taken together SoL broke EQ so bad that only mercs were able to eventually somewhat repair the damage, and if that is your idea of EQ then you need to just fuck right off and die somewhere.

SoL changed EQ from a game where everyone had a whole stable of alts and a huge number of zones of a wide variety of level ranges were always populated, to 90% empty piece of shit game based around grinding away at the same shitty character for years on end to get more dumb ass points.

For someone complaining about SoL, saying that MERCS were a positive change is just nuts. A lot of us liked SoL, and PoP especially.

[Vandil]

If you don't like P99 and none of the other popular alternatives seem fun, you are welcome to roll your own server and set it up as you like. The EQ Emulator forums have guides for such things.

Don't know how to run a server or code? Don't complain.

[Sporkotron]

For someone complaining about SoL, saying that MERCS were a positive change is just nuts. A lot of us liked SoL, and PoP especially.


Mercs were the only way to save the game from 1 to max level after SOL fucking brutalized it with shitty design decisions. If players can find leveling group anymore because AA made killed alts forever, then you've gotta go ahead and give people NPC groups.

I couldn't give a shit if people like SOL or POP, those people are morons with terrible taste, that should be totally ashamed at how awful they are at life.

Just because people like something awful doesn't make that thing any less awful, in the most recent election almost as many people voted for Trump as they did for Clinton. Doesn't mean those Trump voters aren't still a bunch of drooly chinned, load in their pants, short bus riding, hick redneck hayseed cousin marrying shitstains. Just like people who like Shadows of Luclin.

[Lhancelot]

I couldn't give a shit if people like SOL or POP, those people are morons with terrible taste, that should be totally ashamed at how awful they are at life.

You need a hug, bro?

[Sporkotron]

You need a hug, bro?

If people keep talking about how much they like SOL you're going to have to go a helluva lot further than hugging to consolidate me. Im gonna need at least some second base action.

[tobolamr]

Player-made content isn't all bad. They allow that in Neverwinter, and a good number of the player made content is actually quite fun, imho... But, they also built in the ability for a player to create in that world and make it playable by all.

I've been in EK and running back to Rivervale a lot lately, and you take that ramp path to Highpass... But the bottom ends - that could be a good opening to some sort of zone there.

Yes, maybe leave P1999 as is, and do a Project Purple or some other idea, and do P1999 and add some new zones.

But then, who would build it? Who decides what goes where and how? What loot drops?

Maybe it could be as simple as popping rare mobs, or making the Sleeper live again, or... ???

And who has the time to devote to it?

[korwl]

Mercs were the only way to save the game from 1 to max level after SOL fucking brutalized it with shitty design decisions. If players can find leveling group anymore because AA made killed alts forever, then you've gotta go ahead and give people NPC groups.

I couldn't give a shit if people like SOL or POP, those people are morons with terrible taste, that should be totally ashamed at how awful they are at life.

Just because people like something awful doesn't make that thing any less awful, in the most recent election almost as many people voted for Trump as they did for Clinton. Doesn't mean those Trump voters aren't still a bunch of drooly chinned, load in their pants, short bus riding, hick redneck hayseed cousin marrying shitstains. Just like people who like Shadows of Luclin.

You're a nasty, distasteful person.

[Sporkotron]

You're a nasty, distasteful person.

And your fat ugly mama sucks eggs.

[Lord_Snow]

Just my 2 cents, but if the GM's opened guide positions to write monthly GM events. That would solve the bordem problem. GM's in live were able to do this all the time. From skellies invading qyenos to Dragons popping in odd zones. Dig deep in the lore and get inventive. Or fix broken quest that should have been fixed in live.

[fadetree]

Mercs were the only way to save the game from 1 to max level after SOL fucking brutalized it with shitty design decisions. If players can find leveling group anymore because AA made killed alts forever, then you've gotta go ahead and give people NPC groups.

I couldn't give a shit if people like SOL or POP, those people are morons with terrible taste, that should be totally ashamed at how awful they are at life.

Just because people like something awful doesn't make that thing any less awful, in the most recent election almost as many people voted for Trump as they did for Clinton. Doesn't mean those Trump voters aren't still a bunch of drooly chinned, load in their pants, short bus riding, hick redneck hayseed cousin marrying shitstains. Just like people who like Shadows of Luclin.

Okie dokie. Sorry, I took you seriously for a sec there. Feel free to continue your incoherent rage. Even tears of anger are delicious.

[Amyas]

Luclin release year: 2001

Wow how unclassic, tell me more about how it isnt classic.

I loved Luclin hated PoP and everything after it.

[Whirled]

New idea # 824567 section F:
Shut down all EMU servers for 30 days.

[Swish]

Overall I think if people are tired of the current content it's time to take a break or try something new.

[nostalgiaquest]

I've been in EK and running back to Rivervale a lot lately, and you take that ramp path to Highpass... But the bottom ends - that could be a good opening to some sort of zone there.
?

I've thought this ever since I was a lvl 16 bard running from qeynos to Freeport for the first time in the early 2000's. Why the shit doesn't that path lead to something!?

[maskedmelon]

Would be cool if it lead to a series of dungeons that connected back to sol a/b, guk and maybe even befallen :3

[Lhancelot]

Would be cool if it lead to a series of dungeons that connected back to sol a/b, guk and maybe even befallen :3

I mean adding more dungeons would be neat, but there are so many places that no one ever sets foot in, such as Runnyeye. I love that dungeon so much, the goblins are neat with their own banker, a king, etc., deep in their underground city. Maybe if stuff was just revamped a bit, added item drops, new npcs, that would make it so places like Runnyeye were populated again.

[Samocles]

TBH this shitposting has gotten kinda ridiculous.
First of all, I never said I was bored or disliked EQ in any way, and obviously it should be a separate server, but there's a lot of opportunity here. The purists can play classic EQ, while people who seek more novel experiences, and are more prone to boredom can play on custom-content servers, making the content itself would probably do a lot to alleviate boredom.
Although, the population divide is certainly a valid concern, honestly there isn't much we can do about this. One hand making new content might attract players, but we shouldn't change the foundation of the game to attract players. So, the best solution would be to bring on people who abide by the same ideals that EQ was founded upon, not only muh epic raid and looting shit, but also small details that lots of people take for granted, like tidbits of scattered lore, secrets and exploration.

Just my 2 cents, but if the GM's opened guide positions to write monthly GM events. That would solve the bordem problem. GM's in live were able to do this all the time. From skellies invading qyenos to Dragons popping in odd zones. Dig deep in the lore and get inventive. Or fix broken quest that should have been fixed in live.
This is mainly what I was thinking, temporary GM events would do alot to alleviate boredom. They would also serve as a stepping stone for potential writers or content creators, it's a win-win scenario.

[Baler]

TBH this shitposting has gotten kinda ridiculous.
Not sure what you expected. This is a ERA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era) based mmorpg server community. Meaning it's set in stone that the servers are based on an exact era of the mmorpg.

What made you think people would be embracing custom content with open arms?

It would be like going into a classical art museum and asking for new or alternative art.
just saying..

[Muggens]

Obviously, one of the primary problems facing project1999 is the severe lack of content in store, and the economical disaster that results from it.
But, instead of waiting for an expiration date, what if we could make our own content?
Obviously, it would take a fair amount of resources, but I'm sure this community has a fair number of people would love to participate in making new content for everquest.

Its not a problem its the Main draw of this entire server

[Vandil]

Yep. I like the fact that the server is "stuck" at pre-Luclin.

All the raiding people will basically get all the things they want, complete FashionQuest (and TunnelQuest), and become bored. They will then either leave or start the crack addiction again with an alt. Rinse and repeat.

Eventually, enough people will leave, allowing new people and casual players to begin harvesting the low lying fruit, gaining access to camps for things that were previously perma-camped, and able to enjoy the game. For casuals, it will be as if the expansions finally opened up for them.

[Tune]

pop the warders once in a while (not the sleeper) and announce you are doing it weeks / month in advance

that will spark guilds returning to compete and either seal their monopoly on legacy items or lose to a newer guild's conquest

in any case i think it would be a lot of fun

[Dillian]

New server, with Luclin.

Or, same server, with Luclin, minus the bazaar and the ability to port wherever from the Nexus to keep the economy and port business alive.

As a druid who played through to LoY. Luclin didn't kill the port business. PoP was the culprit.

[tobolamr]

So how hard would it be to create some new zones? Add some places to go? Make up some gear? Or maybe create their own expansion?

For instance - The Hole lore says it was created when part of Norrath was blasted into space. Well, why not make that chunk of Norrath an area that can be traveled to? Not Luclin, as that's the moon. But it could be a few zones inside some big asteroid or something that floats around, and you have to port to it?

How hard IS this stuff? I mean, seriously? And to add to the loot index/table, borrow and re-color some mobs, and the like? I realize this is work, but...

[Vandil]

So how hard would it be to create some new zones? Add some places to go? Make up some gear? Or maybe create their own expansion?

How hard IS this stuff? I mean, seriously? And to add to the loot index/table, borrow and re-color some mobs, and the like? I realize this is work, but...

If you have some spare time, visit the EQ Emulator forums. They have tutorials on setting up your own Norrath at whatever expansion level you want, and you can glean what it takes to set up and maintain a server let alone create new content.

[paulgiamatti]

Custom content isn't on the table right now, and it may never be. It's a thing that P99 devs might start thinking about long after the final Velious patch goes in, and the Velious timeline could stretch on for another couple years. A recycle/green/classic TLP server and the Discord server are higher on the priorities list than custom content, and those will be huge undertakings in and of themselves.

And yeah, all of those questions are answerable at eqemulator.org. Here's a P99 thread about custom content: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252566

[maskedmelon]

Custom content isn't on the table right now, and it may never be. It's a thing that P99 devs might start thinking about long after the final Velious patch goes in, and the Velious timeline could stretch on for another couple years. A recycle/green/classic TLP server and the Discord server are higher on the priorities list than custom content, and those will be huge undertakings in and of themselves.

And yeah, all of those questions are answerable at eqemulator.org. Here's a P99 thread about custom content: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252566

:3

I can't give you an ETA, but I can add some information.

Since Kunark development, we have used a rule-based system when developing content and code. What this means is the work needed to add/remove timeline features only has to be done once, and a rule applied for the era.

For example, when a server is released (original eq launch date: march 1999), rubicite and manastones should drop until ~October 1999. When a new server is launched, all that is necessary is to set the correct era rules. The era switches allow us to apply rules to spawns, loottables, items, spells, doors, tradeskills, etc so they may be enabled/disabled without even a patch.

It has been, and still is the plan to release a timeline correct server a certain amount of time after Velious is complete.Velious still lacks 2 zones; Stonebrunt and Chardok revamp. There are patches between and after those times which need to be developed.

There are options which haven't been fully discussed. One option is as you said, once the new server reached the end of Velious, merge those characters back into the original existing p99 server. At that point, start a new one. i.e. Recycle

There will be announcements when those decisions are made.