Best 1k-6k weapon combination for new rogue

[Lhancelot]

What would be the best combination of rogue weapons for 6k or less for a new rogue?

[Aaramis]

Frozen shard or small dragonbone shard mainhand seem popular.

Offhand....crystalline short sword maybe?

[EdTuBrutus]

If its a new character, Venemous Axe of the Velium Brood is a must have. Hugely overpowered till at least the mid 30s, still good in the 40s.

[Lhancelot]

Was wondering if Green Jade Axe would be good. Seems nice it would hit hard for sure. Just kind of slow with 32 delay, and I am unsure how delay would affect offhand damage tbh. Maybe a faster secondary weapon would be better?

[EdTuBrutus]

Was wondering if Green Jade Axe would be good. Seems nice it would hit hard for sure. Just kind of slow with 32 delay, and I am unsure how delay would affect offhand damage tbh. Maybe a faster secondary weapon would be better?

Green Jade Axe is significantly hampered by the damage cap till level 20 and even after the damage cap comes off, a VAotVB is significantly better than any other tradeable weapon till the mid 30s, if not higher.

[maskedmelon]

Just go for best ratio possible in offhand^^

[RDawg816]

General rule of thumb is Highest damage weapon in mainhand, and best ratio in offhand. The VAotVB is really fun when it procs (and it procs at level 1). It will draw some agro, but as a rogue you should learn to control that as early as possible. As for a mainhand, whatever the best you can afford would be. There are plenty of 12-13 damage piercers out there.

[Crawdad]

Like others have said, Frozen shard/Small dragonbone shard for mainhand until you get epic. Either one of them is only ~1-2k.

Green Jade Axe has great stats, but there's a ton of weapons out with Velious that have a better ratio and are cheaper/more cost effective. Also that look better. Plenty of <quality> Velium weapons from DN have a >0.5 ratio and are dirt cheap. I picked up for an 11/21 Warsword for 1k, so if you look around you can probably fine a better one for ~4-5k.. spears are way over priced though, so keep an eye out for warswords/battlehammers.

[Lhancelot]

Ok thanks all for the input. I got a velious hammer that is 12/24 for offhand not the best but guess for now it will work. Still looking for a pri weapon (small shard or frozen shard), aint seen one for sale for a bit. :)

[RDawg816]

Still looking for a pri weapon (small shard or frozen shard), aint seen one for sale for a bit.
You don't need the best right out of the gate. Go to the wiki and search for piercers and look at the damage. The delay doesn't matter. Anything 10+ will give you a nice backstab once you learn it at 10 (and skill it up so you don't miss 99% of the time). Slime Coated Harpoon, Crystal Spider Fang, anything will get the job done, especially if you have a haste item or some starter gear to give this rogue. You can upgrade later, but you will still be a DPS blender if you spend even 1 or 2k on your weapons (combined). Live a little. :P

[Lhancelot]

You don't need the best right out of the gate. Go to the wiki and search for piercers and look at the damage. The delay doesn't matter. Anything 10+ will give you a nice backstab once you learn it at 10 (and skill it up so you don't miss 99% of the time). Slime Coated Harpoon, Crystal Spider Fang, anything will get the job done, especially if you have a haste item or some starter gear to give this rogue. You can upgrade later, but you will still be a DPS blender if you spend even 1 or 2k on your weapons (combined). Live a little. :P

ok thanks. I just want to know why Rapier of Oriin is 2-2.5k, when it actually has worse ratio than a frozen shard or a small dragonbone shard which both are 1-2k, usually much less than 2k anyway.

[EdTuBrutus]

ok thanks. I just want to know why Rapier of Oriin is 2-2.5k, when it actually has worse ratio than a frozen shard or a small dragonbone shard which both are 1-2k, usually much less than 2k anyway.

Mainly because of successful manipulation of the P99 Auctions site.

[Samoht]

ok thanks. I just want to know why Rapier of Oriin is 2-2.5k, when it actually has worse ratio than a frozen shard or a small dragonbone shard which both are 1-2k, usually much less than 2k anyway.

It's a very good stat stick for the off-hand slot.

[Cecily]

Eh. You don't want stats as weapons. Better slots for it. Go for ratio. Offhand CSS / jade mace better than rapier.

[Samoht]

CSS is only very slightly better ratio with stats better suited for a bard. Meh. Why aren't you pushing seb croaking dirk?

[Cecily]

Seb dirk is my absolute favorite leveling offhand. I just think Rapier of Oriin is a poor choice for offhand. It's amazing in main.

[Muggens]

CSS and RoOriin is great its what I used. I guess there are other cheaper piercers like Frozen Shard with 13dmg but more delay. Oriin looks nice, but I wouldnt use it offhand^ seb dirk is awesome there, cost about 6k awhile ago tho

[Aaramis]

There are plenty of 12-13 damage piercers out there.

Just out of curiosity, what are they?
I can think of plenty of 10 damage piercers, but 13 damage ones I'm somewhat drawing a blank on other than the Frozen Shard, Small Dragonclaw Shard, and Crystalline Spear.

And as for the 11-12 damage ones, all I can think of are the <insert adjective here> Velium Spears, but they can be expensive.

[RDawg816]

Check the wiki. Some of them are expensive, yes. Some of them are no trade, also. They are out there, and you don't need the best right out of the gate.

[gildor]

With 6k, I would fill up a bag of tools not so much only weapons..

1k - Locustlure (slow proc + best 1-10 rogue weapon in the game imo)
1k - Bloodpoint (lifetap +5 str)
1500 - Small Dragonbone Shard (your 13 dmg mainhand 10+)
2500 - Velium Swiftblade (36% haste..crappy offhand stats, but cheapest 36% haste you can get)

I am not a statistician or anything. But the "eye test", the way I felt my rogue played 20+ with the swiftblade offhand / small dragonbone shard was more DPS than anything I could put in offhand for damage..

Can't be understated how awesome the locustlure is 1-10 :)

[Lhancelot]

With 6k, I would fill up a bag of tools not so much only weapons..

1k - Locustlure (slow proc + best 1-10 rogue weapon in the game imo)
1k - Bloodpoint (lifetap +5 str)
1500 - Small Dragonbone Shard (your 13 dmg mainhand 10+)
2500 - Velium Swiftblade (36% haste..crappy offhand stats, but cheapest 36% haste you can get)

I am not a statistician or anything. But the "eye test", the way I felt my rogue played 20+ with the swiftblade offhand / small dragonbone shard was more DPS than anything I could put in offhand for damage..

Can't be understated how awesome the locustlure is 1-10 :)

I thought about this too, glad you brought it up. I wondered if the swiftblade in offhand with the big haste boost would be better with a small dragonbone shard in mainhand, or if schw with small dragonbone shard with other higher ratio weapon in offhand would be better?

[Jimjam]

At the earlier levels the offhand is very unreliable for generating swings.

In general I find once you reach 150 dw/da skill you want to put a dps weapon in there, but before then use it to pad stats/haste or have a utility proc (don't need a successful da check for a proc to happen).

For a rogue I guess the haste might be a decent path at lower levels (if you have it).

[Lhancelot]

At the earlier levels the offhand is very unreliable for generating swings.

In general I find once you reach 150 dw/da skill you want to put a dps weapon in there, but before then use it to pad stats/haste or have a utility proc (don't need a successful da check for a proc to happen).

For a rogue I guess the haste might be a decent path at lower levels (if you have it).

Ok great advice thanks.

[Samoht]

Just out of curiosity, what are they?
I can think of plenty of 10 damage piercers, but 13 damage ones I'm somewhat drawing a blank on other than the Frozen Shard, Small Dragonclaw Shard, and Crystalline Spear.

And as for the 11-12 damage ones, all I can think of are the <insert adjective here> Velium Spears, but they can be expensive.

Serpent's Tooth from Yael
Jade Chokidai Prod

[Aesop]

ok thanks. I just want to know why Rapier of Oriin is 2-2.5k, when it actually has worse ratio than a frozen shard or a small dragonbone shard which both are 1-2k, usually much less than 2k anyway.

Another good guess would be FashionQuest.

[Lhancelot]

Serpent's Tooth from Yael
Jade Chokidai Prod

Ah yeah serpents tooth for MH might be decent too forgot about it. That's 13/27 iirc.

[coki]

Serpents tooth, sebilite croaking dirk, heavy velium spear, trakasuar tooth, lath drinor, vaotvb, green jade axe, jaged blade of mourning, winters fury/elder sky fury scimitar, crystalline short sword, bone razor,

[Cecily]

I'd say get a Seb dirk and whatever in offhand. The only issue I can think of is that the dirk so quick you may end up tanking without a hybrid. If you can manage to hold out, the Seb dirk is the best bang for buck offhand to go with epic in game.

[Lhancelot]

I'd say get a Seb dirk and whatever in offhand. The only issue I can think of is that the dirk so quick you may end up tanking without a hybrid. If you can manage to hold out, the Seb dirk is the best bang for buck offhand to go with epic in game.

Ok thanks, will work on getting one later on. Atm I got vellum swiftblade with a frozen shard. I will probably end up getting schw if I ditch the vellum swiftblade. Not rich enough to buy higher end haste. My rogue is 16 now, so it will be awhile before I need better I think.

[Xaanka]

actual good advice from someone who isn't a fucking retard:

main hand 1-2k: any 13dmg main hand. dragonbone shard, crystaline spear etc. delay does not matter. stats do not matter. the only thing that matters in 6 man groups is your backstab damage. fights below 50 do not last long enough for auto attack damage to have any meaningful impact. i don't know blue prices but thats my guess

off hand ??k: whatever cheap garbage. your off hand won't do anything until higher levels. if you hit level 50+ and don't at least have a css by then, buy a seb dirk or something. below 50 your offhand dps will have no meaningful impact considering the short length of encounters. i don't know blue prices, just go to the wiki and find something with a good ratio and no proc in your price range.

don't waste plat on proc gimmicks, avatar and slow are cool to have but don't worry about +5 str

the rest: save up for epic MQ

[Lhancelot]

actual good advice from someone who isn't a fucking retard:

main hand 1-2k: any 13dmg main hand. dragonbone shard, crystaline spear etc. delay does not matter. stats do not matter. the only thing that matters in 6 man groups is your backstab damage. fights below 50 do not last long enough for auto attack damage to have any meaningful impact. i don't know blue prices but thats my guess

off hand ??k: whatever cheap garbage. your off hand won't do anything until higher levels. if you hit level 50+ and don't at least have a css by then, buy a seb dirk or something. below 50 your offhand dps will have no meaningful impact considering the short length of encounters. i don't know blue prices, just go to the wiki and find something with a good ratio and no proc in your price range.

don't waste plat on proc gimmicks, avatar and slow are cool to have but don't worry about +5 str

the rest: save up for epic MQ

That's kind of what i ended up doing, velium swiftblade in offhand (awful offhand damage) but gives 36% haste and frozen shard for the 13 damage BS.

[Cecily]

actual good advice from someone who isn't a fucking retard

http://i.imgur.com/mHM3DMk.gif

[Samoht]

who is supposed to be giving that advice? xaanka is obviously precluded by his own requirements

[Xaanka]

oh yeah haste is always good, i didn't think about that because I have a pile of RBB's. most fights pre 50 aren't going to last long enough for more than 2 or 3 backstabs but hey it helps. that setup should take you to 46 easily, after which point get an epic sell both weapons and buy a decent pre raid offhand and a haste belt with the plat (skyshrine trash sword, seb dirk etc it all depends on blue economy which i don't know)
a couple hate raids should fill your gear slots out 46-60, and at 60 the only gear you should care about is velious raid gear.

[jarlerop]

oh yeah haste is always good, i didn't think about that because I'm a retard

FTFY

[Xaanka]

sorry i just can't remember the last time i had to think about buying a haste item because i'm so good at EQ

[Vexenu]

Anyone know how much agro the Frozen Shard proc generates?

[fugazi]

Shadow Rager for your offhand. 8/18 10str with a 25 str and 30 to 50 rune proc. 1.5kish and has a neat velious dagger graphic. 35 str is bang for your buck.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Shadow_Rager

Oh, and I happen to have one if you need it.

[Samoht]

Shadow Rager for your offhand. 8/18 10str with a 25 str and 30 to 50 rune proc. 1.5kish and has a neat velious dagger graphic. 35 str is bang for your buck.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Shadow_Rager

Oh, and I happen to have one if you need it.

That's actually going to be a lot of aggro. I wouldn't recommend it unless you have a decent tank/healer in your group.

[Cecily]

It's not a great ratio either. BIS looks though.

[skarlorn]

Honestly, Dragoon dirk is one of your better options for a long time. Back me up on this one, Cec.

[Cecily]

Agreed. It's not just some dumb toothpick dagger. If you look really, really closely, the guard is spiked on the Dragoon Dirk instead of horizontal. Little details like that show everyone you're serious about being taken seriously.

[fugazi]

Looking great and ensuring you're the envy of the elf sim is what it is all about, efficiency be damned.

[Ravager]

Was wondering if Green Jade Axe would be good. Seems nice it would hit hard for sure. Just kind of slow with 32 delay, and I am unsure how delay would affect offhand damage tbh. Maybe a faster secondary weapon would be better?
I always thought the Green Jade Axe was overpriced garbage. It's the same ratio as CSS, but it ganks your hitpoints (at level 50 it comes out to -5hp, at level 60 -15hp). Strength and Save Poison are too easy to cap besides. CSS gives you better push which is pretty important to have in the Rogue toolbox.

[Vexenu]

Thoughts on 12/22 vs. 13/26 for main hand pre-epic?

I haven't parsed it, but the 12/22 seems to be better. Don't seem to hit the max BSes often enough with the 13/26 to compensate for the weaker ratio and higher delay.

Also, I've run into a few Rogues main-handing a 12/19 and offhanding the Epic. Is that actually better DPS? Granted, 12/19 is the superior ratio and applies the damage bonus more often, but I thought the 15 damage of Epic would be more important, especially 55+ when double backstabs come into play.

[Cecily]

Skull Fanged Stiletto? Much much better ratio. I'd definitely use that over any 25+ del junk. Good luck finding one. Dual wielding those is something I wanna do someday on a new rogue.

Regarding Thornstinger.. It smokes epic in ratio and it's really fast. Was the best Pre-VP weapon setup back in Kunark. In current content, we're dealing mobs with super high AC, particularly giants. What that means in reality is lots and lots of minimum backstabs. Having a fast main allows you to apply your damage bonus more... It's less rolling the dice versus possibly getting a 553. A 120 on a Thornstinger is gonna hit just as hard as an Epic 120.

I've seen TS + RB perform really well on a recent flurry drake raid. Very viable option still for people w/ guilds that do sky.


I guess the big take away is that backstabs are only a part of our damage. Guessing... 40% BS, 30-40% mainhand, and the remainder from offhand. A big jump in ratio and speed for your mainhand will overcome lower max backstab damage.

[Xaanka]

i used a 13/17 over my epic in main hand a lot and i usually topped meters. rule of thumb is epic and duelist disc for low ac kunark raid or velious group/small raid content stuff and short fights, best ratio mh and deadeye disc for high ac long fight targets. which means epic mh for most content, but high ratio mh is better for the most difficult content. i would also use the fast mh over the epic during small group raids on targets that needed push.

never really tested it after the 3x duelist backstab breaking point was discovered, but i'd be willing to guess that with this knowledge in mind, if you have max haste the best strategy on high AC would be to continue using the lower damage dagger as MH, but to use duelist + swap epic to MH instead of deadeye as the disc.

maybe jupe can jump in and give a better answer, i quit right around when we discovered the 3x duelist backstab haste breaking point on red.

[sdp00888]

What is the 3x duelist backstab?

[Xaanka]

at 40% haste (ragebringer) you can backstab twice during duelist discipline
at 41% haste you can backstab 3 times during duelist discipline

edit: a low delay mainhand is also great for group content where push is needed, especially small groups or playing with people who don't understand push. i remember it opened up comfortably running smaller groups for a bunch of little epic type fights that most people would bring 2 melee to.

[Vengnce]

So I have totally kept an eye on all this advice and it has been awesome for someone dipping his toes into the rogue waters for the first time since before i could legally drive. My issue has been finding a Small Dragonbone Shard, Serpent's Tooth, Frozen Shard or anything of the sort for sale in EC.

I was able to call in some favors and scored a good starter set of gear and some PP which i promptly blew on some haste gloves, but I have 1700 left over and figured that should be more than enough to score one of the aforementioned three weapons. I log in frequently and check auction logs and it just seems like there is nothing up. Is this normal? Any suggestions on alternatives?

[sdp00888]

Rapier of Oriion is a great MH weapon pre-epic Vengnce

[sdp00888]

So since item haste doesn't stack how do you get 41% haste? Skycloak? Or does haste on items stack to reduce backstab timer?

[Vengnce]

yeah sdp and I do see them go for sale more often, but the asks are like 2.3k+ and that seems to me to be a bit overpriced.

[Vengnce]

Hahaha sdp just realized you are selling one for 2.3k on the dot. I am sure you will find a buyer too, just too rich for what I have left of my pp advance from my buddies bank. Good luck!

[Samoht]

So since item haste doesn't stack how do you get 41% haste? Skycloak? Or does haste on items stack to reduce backstab timer?

You can have both affects on you at the same time. The wording for stacking just means that you will only benefit from the highest haste. So if you're using epic haste, it affects your weapon speed but does not currently affect your backstab timer. Backstab timer will therefore use the next best haste item.

I honestly hope that gets fixed soon.

[sdp00888]

Let's say you have 2 haste items besides the epic,will that lower the backstab timer?

[Jimjam]

Let's say you have 2 haste items besides the epic,will that lower the backstab timer?

As Sam states, only the highest of these two items will be used.

[Samoht]

There are many rogues out there wearing epic (41% haste), Siblisian Berserker Cloak (26% haste), and Runebranded Girdle (27% haste). RBG was really close to BiS pre-velious (for the STA/HP), and SBC had higher raw stats than Hiero cloak (although I probably would wear Hiero cloak if I had to choose - HP is king).

So they have 41% haste on their auto attacks from epic, 27% haste on BS from RBG, and the haste on SBC is ignored.

[sdp00888]

A

[Ravager]

Skull Fanged Stiletto? Much much better ratio. I'd definitely use that over any 25+ del junk. Good luck finding one. Dual wielding those is something I wanna do someday on a new rogue.

Have you, or do you know if anyone confirmed that Stanos Head gets you one of these? The last time BDA did Stanos, I tried talking them into letting me loot one to see if this part of the quest was in, but nobody liked the idea.

[Xaanka]

There are many rogues out there wearing epic (41% haste), Siblisian Berserker Cloak (26% haste), and Runebranded Girdle (27% haste). RBG was really close to BiS pre-velious (for the STA/HP), and SBC had higher raw stats than Hiero cloak (although I probably would wear Hiero cloak if I had to choose - HP is king).

So they have 41% haste on their auto attacks from epic, 27% haste on BS from RBG, and the haste on SBC is ignored.

RBB is a bit better than RBG, it's 31 haste.
Epic is 40% haste but otherwise this is the correct answer.
41% haste on backstab can be acquired from ToV, Kael, PoSKY, or VP
http://wiki.project1999.com/Haste_Guide#Permanent_Haste_Items

[Samoht]

RBB is a bit better than RBG, it's 31 haste.

It wasn't about the haste, idiot. Take your off-topic non-sense and your welfare primal somewhere else.

[Xaanka]

It wasn't about the haste, idiot. Take your off-topic non-sense and your welfare primal somewhere else.

wait so you're saying 17 hp > 4% haste on a rogue?
lol k stay at the bottom of the meters, i do over 100 dps on velious raid targets self buffed

[Ravager]

wait so you're saying 17 hp > 4% haste on a rogue?
lol k stay at the bottom of the meters, i do over 100 dps on velious raid targets self buffed
Give this guy a ribbon.

[Swish]

Unless you're end game raiding the average casual scrubs aren't going to care if you've got a RBB or RBG... play to enjoy it.

This is a subtle reminder to go outside if you're too immersed like the posters above.

[Xaanka]

Unless you're end game raiding the average casual scrubs aren't going to care if you've got a RBB or RBG... play to enjoy it.

This is a subtle reminder to go outside if you're too immersed like the posters above.

i am the tallest rogue on project 1999

[Ravager]

Clearly, the guy to take advice about immersion levels from is the one who manages to post ten times+ in every thread on the board.

[Samoht]

wait so you're saying 17 hp > 4% haste on a rogue?
lol k stay at the bottom of the meters, i do over 100 dps on velious raid targets self buffed

You can't really be as stupid as you act on the forums, can you? Once again, it's not about the haste. The RBG has better stats than RBB because of the raw HP. There's no discussion there.

Also, Ragebringer haste not applying to backstab is a fairly recent discovery, most likely related to recent changes in the item cards, so it is assumed that the rogues I'm referring to never even knew that they were helping their haste, if they were helping it at all back then.

So you're just interjecting off-topic non-sense for the purpose of pretending you're right or have some kind of knowledge of the game that no one else does, but in reality, you're just proving that you can't even read to begin with.

Stop. Posting.

The reason I made my post was just to illustrate how to work around the bug. You don't need to dissect it seven different ways to prove some kind of pseudo-superiority. Your primal is still welfare.

[Xaanka]

You can't really be as stupid as you act on the forums, can you? Once again, it's not about the haste. The RBG has better stats than RBB because of the raw HP. There's no discussion there.

Anything that gives you DPS is higher priority than HP or resists on a rogue. Meaning haste, atk, and strength until capped with buffs. 4% more backstabs can make a measurable difference, ESPECIALLY on in/out type fights where a slightly faster timer could net you an extra backstab every time you go in. Its shocking how inexperienced you are. Raids get you pixels and your only job in a raid is to do damage. Having more HP is nice for when you shoot off 10 patch heal macros and everyone's AFK/in cast/oom, or for if you extremely out gear your tank and you legitimately risk pulling threat on a 3x mallet with a hide fail, but on blue it's even less of a big deal because healers can duck spells, warriors have better initial aggro from rechargable consumables, and there's no PVP.
You should be able to do any raid encounter in the game with like 1400hp and basic resists without dying.
In 80%+ raid encounters you should be able to survive the entire fight freshly rez'd looting nothing but your weapons and jboots.

RBG becomes better than RBB in one situation:
- You already have a better haste item equipped
NOT INCLUDING RAGEBRINGER
For most velious raiding rogues RBG is better because they'll be using ToV claw to get their 41% haste.

hp is really good for my rogue though, because all my stats and resists are capped with self buffs and i have the best weapons that are in the game and have dropped on my server. i think hp and clickies are the only way my rogue could possibly get any stronger until later in the timeline and/or if someone on red kills tunare (will never happen.)

im not saying hp isn't important, but it's very easy to cap out the damage a rogue can do with raid gear so it's worth focusing on that first.

Also, Ragebringer haste not applying to backstab is a fairly recent discovery, most likely related to recent changes in the item cards, so it is assumed that the rogues I'm referring to never even knew that they were helping their haste, if they were helping it at all back then.

It's because ragebringer haste is item effect haste. I believe this is working as intended. It's also been working like this for at least a year and a half.

So you're just interjecting off-topic non-sense for the purpose of pretending you're right or have some kind of knowledge of the game that no one else does, but in reality, you're just proving that you can't even read to begin with.

Stop. Posting.

The reason I made my post was just to illustrate how to work around the bug. You don't need to dissect it seven different ways to prove some kind of pseudo-superiority. Your primal is still welfare.

The fact that you think the ragebringer haste thing is a recent discovery is proof you're a bottom-tier player.

[Izmael]

http://i.imgur.com/bF6Cp.jpg

[Samoht]

Anything that gives you DPS is higher priority than HP or resists on a rogue. Meaning haste, atk, and strength until capped with buffs. 4% more backstabs can make a measurable difference, ESPECIALLY on in/out type fights where a slightly faster timer could net you an extra backstab every time you go in. Its shocking how inexperienced you are.

It's shocking how off-topic you are. I was just providing an example of how to stack the haste. You're not proving me wrong or anything. You're just putting your foot in your mouth.

The fact that you think the ragebringer haste thing is a recent discovery is proof you're a bottom-tier player.

You're making this up. Please show me any proof that you're not or stop posting.

[Xaanka]

You're making this up. Please show me any proof that you're not or stop posting.

there was a thread in this subforum about this months ago dingus, syztem/banksy started it hoping to get logs from someone on blue with access to items that haven't dropped on red to test some things.

[Samoht]

It's also been working like this for at least a year and a half.

Has it been months or has it been a year and a half? Make up your mind. Are the drugs affecting your short-term memory that much?

IIRC, the change was made around six months ago with the item card update.

[Xaanka]

Has it been months or has it been a year and a half? Make up your mind. Are the drugs affecting your short-term memory that much?

IIRC, the change was made around six months ago with the item card update.

it was posted about months ago, and good top tier players were in the know about this mechanic back in kunark?

[Samoht]

it was posted about months ago, and good top tier players were in the know about this mechanic back in kunark?

Was that before or after you got your welfare primal?

Please show me any proof whatsoever that you aren't making this up. Any.

Or. Stop. Posting.

[Xaanka]

Was that before or after you got your welfare primal?

Please show me any proof whatsoever that you aren't making this up. Any.

Or. Stop. Posting.

march 2016
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233287

syztem and i knew about and had been testing this long before this forum post
ok if my primal is a welfare primal can you explain how i got the server second vyemm's fang?

[sdp00888]

Watching these two neck beards argue is entertaining

[Samoht]

march 2016
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233287

Thank you for providing evidence of yourself lying. Link seems to support what I'm saying 100%.

ok if my primal is a welfare primal can you explain how i got the server second vyemm's fang?

Depends. Is it also on the welfare server or is it on the real P99 server where people actually play?