Not My President - The Unity Question

[AzzarTheGod]

So on facebook etc. there has been a lot of criticism such as "no wonder things move at such a glacial pace". I found that to be a profound observation. This is assuming that 50% of the people vote with their party and the other 50% do not. (many suspect the 50% split is a matter of national security and a bit of a hoax to keep people in the mix without disenfranchising the other sides ideas completely. It serves its purpose so we will take it as a fact for now.)

Conservatives predominantly consider the glacial pace to be a good thing. Most people I talk to (even Tea party/ Trump people) also value this "glacial pace" being referenced on social media outlets.

That aside,

Does the 2 state solution have some validity? What would America look like with a 2 state solution?

Is the cheech and chong politics a necessary part of a functioning republic? Not too far left, not too far right?

[Swish]

I don't think electoral reform is happening anytime soon in American politics given the marathon of enthuasism the process is given by the media. I don't know how any of you can stand what is usually a year or more of continual reporting on the same single event...and of course, it's not settled down yet! :o

[eadric]

2 state solution wouldn't work for very long. I'm in favor of the 50 state solution. Disband the fed.gov kraken and replace it with an open borders, free trade, gold-backed monetary union.

[R Flair]

I don't think electoral reform is happening anytime soon in American politics given the marathon of enthuasism the process is given by the media. I don't know how any of you can stand what is usually a year or more of continual reporting on the same single event...and of course, it's not settled down yet! :o

No one is that concerned with the electoral process, it's just a lot of loud moaning. As soon someone is successfully elected using the same process on the other side, this will all be a distant memory. The left and their media will, at that time, also rain an ungodly firestorm down upon the heads of anyone who might mention popular vote > electorate.

Bad guys always accuse you of what they are doing.

[Daywolf]

Well low information voters are low information voters. So yeah, what little info they take in is just what they are getting in sound bites from MSM. I agree, that sux. But election coverage or not, they are still in the low info spectrum. And when I say info, 4chan and FB isn't on my list as "info".

I know for me, I've been on a very wide range of subjects. Just trying to piece a lot of different stuff together and make sense of some things.

Anyway, two state solution, wat? *pinches bridge of nose*
This is why I don't have a FB account :D
I betcha a lot of those people have never even registered to vote before ;)
...prolly don't even know how.

[Daywolf]

2 state solution wouldn't work for very long. I'm in favor of the 50 state solution. Disband the fed.gov kraken and replace it with an open borders, free trade, gold-backed monetary union.
Anarchy? Or is that globalism... no I think you said anarchy. I'm a Monarchist by the divine right of kings. But that doesn't work so I do what I do within a system that does work, the constitutional republic. I don't dislike anarchy, well not at least some level of it besides total anarchy, but it too doesn't seem to work either.

In this existing system, I do put value on the federal govt, but yes as AtG mentions, a much smaller limited one and closer to the form of the early union. Closer, not exact, but as with better understood rights and the same rights for all citizens. No more, no less. And simple.

[Whirled]

Pluralistic ignorance from many in the establishment = lack of forward progression.
Hopefully the swamp will get cleaned out and we can start making laws that matter - instead of wasting every ones time, energy & money on who they should place on a ten dollar bill. (<= or insert other ridiculous wastes of time)

[renordw]

2 state solution wouldn't work for very long. I'm in favor of the 50 state solution. Disband the fed.gov kraken and replace it with an open borders, free trade, gold-backed monetary union.

Then two years later, Calexit

[Angushjalmur]

Calexit would be the demise of California. Liberals need to look at Haiti and south Africa, because that's where they're headed

[renordw]

Calexit would be the demise of California. Liberals need to look at Haiti and south Africa, because that's where they're headed

Texit, Nyexit, Tenissexit, Alabexit, Flexit, Colorexit, Nebrexit

[Angushjalmur]

Texas could do it, but they've also been prepping for like the last hundred years

[Angushjalmur]

And think about that for a moment.. A bunch of libtards want to literally dismantle a country because their candidate didn't win.

We're on the verge of Ukraine. Coincidentally, the same Argentinian Jew Nazi collaborator is involved

[renordw]

Texas could do it, but they've also been prepping for like the last hundred years

I'm all for city-states, and the smallest scale of self-governance

[renordw]

And think about that for a moment.. A bunch of libtards want to literally dismantle a country because their candidate didn't win.

We're on the verge of Ukraine. Coincidentally, the same Argentinian Jew Nazi collaborator is involved

The reason places like Iraq and Ukraine can't function is because one faction fundamentally doesn't respect the vote of someone from a different faction. #BalkanizeThePlanet

[big_ole_jpn]

#cutforher

Signed into fb for first time in 5-6mo to witness election fallout. Saw girl I really respected intellectually back in high school say she is welling up thinking about how the promise of Seneca Falls wasn't fulfilled after all (quote from a beautiful sentimental NYT article lamenting Hillary's loss).

Checking that site fills me with black dread anymore. I get norepi spikes at the login screen and my hands were just about shaking when I logged out. I see ppl using it and reading algorithmically generated "news" on their phones and lean in for a laugh, much like catching a bit of TV in a public place, but actually sitting down and absorbing how fucked it is for a few minutes is sickening on a level I can't laugh off anymore.

The only mercy conferred upon me was seeing this yung entrepreneur friend of mine still on there but only posting for business. Her business involves her posting pix in fly outfits with her busty friends so 2x win.

[this user was banned]

Maybe if we actually let the states decide on matters like healthcare and not shove obama cock insurance down our throats people wouldn't be so pissy about the elections. Stop with the massive federal government already.

[Angushjalmur]

Maybe if we actually let the states decide on matters like healthcare and not shove obama cock insurance down our throats people wouldn't be so pissy about the elections. Stop with the massive federal government already.

That's exactly what trump wants

[Jauna]

2008 rolls around, many republican and southern states declare "Not my president!". Meanwhile the left wing calls them bigots.

Now here comes 2016, the left wing is now clamoring to move countries and now screaming "Not my president!" all the while rioting and destroying innocent peoples businesses and homes.

The kids just need a good fap and a nap.

[Aesop]

I wonder if low information voters are worse than bad information voters?

[Jauna]

I wonder if low information voters are worse than bad information voters?

Regular every day citizens never since the dawn of this country have never voted for the president. Citizen votes = popular votes. Electoral College votes = president votes.

Here this has a soft voice and cartoon helping to explain it better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9H3gvnN468

tl;dw, your vote never mattered. but your viewership of news channels/sites really bolsters ad revenue.

[Aesop]

yeah bro I took Introduction to American Govt. too

it still matters, a number of states require their electors to vote based on the popular vote -- the one I live in included. Granted they don't -really- have to because the penalties are so meaningless but they usually do. Plus a faithless elector has never changed the outcome of an election.

So what was your point? Just trying to look like a high information voter?

[big_ole_jpn]

without the electoral college Hillary fucking Clinton would be President of the United States genius

working as intended

[Jauna]

So what was your point? Just trying to look like a high information voter?

My point was said, your vote never mattered. And this election proved it. The folks in the electoral college have their own minds and vote how they see fit, it was just never a popular opinion until the rise of the internet and people educating themselves by googling "electoral college"

So to repeat, citizen votes do not matter. never did, never will.

[big_ole_jpn]

My point was said, your vote never mattered. And this election proved it. The folks in the electoral college have their own minds and vote how they see fit, it was just never a popular opinion until the rise of the internet and people educating themselves by googling "electoral college"

So to repeat, citizen votes do not matter. never did, never will.

you are really dumb should prolly shut up

I hope your a freshman at a libarts skool dude or there's not much hope for growth

[Aesop]

My point was said, your vote never mattered. And this election proved it. The folks in the electoral college have their own minds and vote how they see fit, it was just never a popular opinion until the rise of the internet and people educating themselves by googling "electoral college"

So to repeat, citizen votes do not matter. never did, never will.

You can repeat it, but doesn't make it true. They matter in practice, even if not in principle. the rise of the internet matters very much if it changes how everything works, and it did. information moves very fast now and this is all occurring within the basic framework set. just like how we all play EverQuest but it's a much different game now isn't it? It wasn't the game that changed (a little, it's not a perfect replica), it was the players.

Anyways, this is nice. You demonstrate what I'm talking about so neatly in response to the topic.

[Jauna]

You can be condescending all you want, but your vote never mattered. And Alaska's electoral votes never changed an outcome of an election.

You are just kinda there. But that is not a bad thing. Be happy you are living in a country where we(they) at least give you the illusion of mattering. What you do after finding out the cold hard truth is up to you.

[am0n]

Calexit would be the demise of California. Liberals need to look at Haiti and south Africa, because that's where they're headed

My favorite part about Calexit is the news article I read where the author was claiming this was the first time a western nation had someone try to secede. I really wanted to shoot him an e-mail and ask if he's ever heard of Texas. I'd expect his answer to be 'no,' as I don't think people who live in CA realize the world continues beyond their state's border.

[R Flair]

My favorite part about Calexit is the news article I read where the author was claiming this was the first time a western nation had someone try to secede. I really wanted to shoot him an e-mail and ask if he's ever heard of Texas. I'd expect his answer to be 'no,' as I don't think people who live in CA realize the world continues beyond their state's border.

Guess they've never heard of Quebec either. Correct, people in California live in a bubble. Watch any Mark Dice video where he walks around doing interviews for further evidence.

[Ahldagor]

California and New York went for Clinton which would sway the popular vote. No electoral college means Texas, New York, and California would essentially elect presidents. Too much consolidation there.

[Daywolf]

2008 rolls around, many republican and southern states declare "Not my president!".
Yeeeeah, pretty much didn't happen. In fact the libcucks were wearing tshirts to my work with that printed on it even during Bush. Little did they realize they were no different than Bush of course.

But no, you're waaaaay off. The libs keep doing the "not my president" corporate branded trendy fashionware, but we have Birthers. Birthers do not say "not my president", they want the truth, and if true he wasn't born in the US, they want him impeached. You libs are protesting democracy, our Birthers are concerned for the law of the land. One wants lawlessness, the other wants law and order.

And still there is no solid proof 0bama was born here, something that I can easily prove of myself. All 0bama produced was this (https://youtu.be/gSpzTkvVFT8) :o

[Angushjalmur]

My point was said, your vote never mattered. And this election proved it. The folks in the electoral college have their own minds and vote how they see fit, it was just never a popular opinion until the rise of the internet and people educating themselves by googling "electoral college"

So to repeat, citizen votes do not matter. never did, never will.

Yeah its not like the electoral college casts votes based on who the majority in their district voted for or anything.

Thats definitely not how it works, they just vote for trump regardless of a 100% hillary win right?

[Aesop]

Jauna tries to be condescending, realizes he is speaking to his better and tries to project it on to me.

I'm not being condescending Jauna, I really am more knowledgeable about this than you.

If you need help with ur mid-term or whatever I'll be happy to help you over winter break, I did pass that class.

[Aesop]

I don't actually mind Alaska's electoral votes not mattering much. Why should a state of less than a million have more than a small say in who runs this country? However, we should on that same token be able to run our affairs as we see fit (within the bounds of the Constitution ofc). Three votes is fine, we have un-arguably one of the most powerful congressman in the house in Young, and two senators - we'll be fine.

I voted for Clinton, but I'm not salty about the Don. I think in the end he'll be a fine president, because Lord knows I wasn't expecting Clinton to be anything but the status quo. I just didn't see Donald as the course correction we needed. Voting for Clinton was actually the conservative vote in many senses of the word.

[Aesop]

lool this is a great angle to play. There's something very undergraduate (like state school undergraduate, not my school undergraduate) about how this dude types.

he's definitely annoying. and he did start it.

[Aesop]

You know, this thread got me thinking though. There is still a possibility that Clinton wins.

This would actually make me unhappy at this point. It would be interesting, but interesting like that curse:

may you live in interesting times.

[Angushjalmur]

You know, this thread got me thinking though. There is still a possibility that Clinton wins.


Were you not breast fed?

[R Flair]

Were you not breast fed?

he was on that soy milk

[maskedmelon]

he was on that soy milk

Side bar, but soy milk actually pretty tasty. Goods good with coffee ^^. Not for babies though of course.

[Angushjalmur]

cant stand soy milk in coffee. makes it taste like wet cardboard.

It also increases estrogen levels so boys shouldnt drink it

[AzzarTheGod]

Side bar, but soy milk actually pretty tasty

Like we need any more phytoestrogens in our diet.

[Angushjalmur]

phytoestrogens

fedora tip to nutritional knowledge

[Angushjalmur]

If youre about that survivalist life you grow and preserve your own food and know how to track prey animals

[maskedmelon]

Well, it is of dubious concern for women too, because it is not an actual estrogen. It just binds to estrogen receptor and can effect similar outcomes. However, that means it competes with the real estrogen. Dont mean it don't taste good ^^ I think the beanie flavor goes well with the bean water that coffee is. I developed a minor milk allergy a few years ago (get headaches, bloating, fatigue) and hadn't really explored alternative milks and stuff until then. Almond not bad either ^^

[AzzarTheGod]

Soy milk is tasty and you can store it at room temp until opened. If u actually bout the survivalist/prepper life and eat packed food for weeks or months at a time you appreciate its value.

If you're worried about xeno hormones regular milk is awful too. In truth it don't matter within reasonable boundaries.

I only rock with almond, no hormones

no really though dude I saw some guys thyroid go south, lost all his hair by age 22, and grow tits and ass as his metabolic rate hit undetectable.

he was drinking a lot of soy milk.

[Angushjalmur]

I only rock with almond, no hormones

Do you activate it?

[AzzarTheGod]

my fingers hurt so im not going to type it.

google history of soy. its a fake American market. Europeans are already woke on it and it was rejected in their economy.

it happened during the 1970's. soy has deep ties to American agricultural interests...guess why soy production was up for grabs in Asia? Because Asia and Europe already passed on it, considering it a toxic weed.

[renordw]

You guys are seriously worried about soy? The effect is minimal on human endocrine systems. You want to know what releases a ton of estrogen? ADIPOSE TISSUE (i.e. fat)

[AzzarTheGod]

theres more going on with the European rejection of soy than just phytoestrogens.

its literally classified as an unwanted weed that is taking up space from good healthy crops and healthy food choices.

again, the Soy market was created in the 1970's as part of Big Industry. It had no market because it was passed on 200-300 years prior by Europe and thousands of years prior by Asia who already figured out it was shit during the time of ancient civilization. Its a joke being played on Americans.

not woke.

[maskedmelon]

ADIPOSE TISSUE (i.e. fat)

Are you suggesting they have this in sufficient quantities to worry about? That's not a very nice thing to do.

[renordw]

theres more going on with the European rejection of soy than just phytoestrogens.

its literally classified as an unwanted weed that is taking up space from good healthy crops and healthy food choices.

again, the Soy market was created in the 1970's as part of Big Industry. It had no market because it was passed on 200-300 years prior by Europe. Its a joke being played on Americans.

not woke.

Anything is a weed if you don't want it. Soy was basically promulgated as a nitrogen-fixation plant for cornfields, there's no disputing that it's inferior to a lot of other plants, but it fulfills a different role too.

[AzzarTheGod]

Anything is a weed if you don't want it. Soy was basically promulgated as a nitrogen-fixation plant for cornfields, there's no disputing that.

This is a very American comment. Not saying you are wrong. But the history of Soy did not start in this country.

It has a much longer history.

Soy as a food product is a recent American invention to sell cow shit to idiots.

[renordw]

This is a very American comment. Not saying you are wrong. But the history of Soy did not start in this country.

It has a much longer history.

Soy as a food product is a recent invention to sell cow shit to idiots.

Legumes put nitrogen back into soil, the most prevalent of which is soybean. The alternative is just to throw it away after it fixes restores the soil for other plants.

[maskedmelon]

It's a complete protein that doesn't fuck with people's guts like many grains do ^^





And taste good too.

[AzzarTheGod]

ITT people proudly post about how they get fed Big Industry food that came to market as a food product in the 1970's.

Cringing at all the soy apologists who have posted so far. Put some actual effort into getting food with a proven track record.

[Angushjalmur]

You guys are seriously worried about soy? The effect is minimal on human endocrine systems. You want to know what releases a ton of estrogen? ADIPOSE TISSUE (i.e. fat)

Burning fat specifically. It also releases traces of drugs you've done. Dont do cardio before a drug test if youre pissing clean

Soy does in fact have a noticeable effect on the endocrine system. That's why oncologists warn against consuming soy if you have an estrogen receptive form of cancer (like some breast cancers)

[renordw]

ITT people proudly post how unwoke they are and get fed Big Industry food that came to market as a food product in the 1970's.

Cringing at all the soy apologists who have posted so far.

You don't have to eat it. The only reason it's so prevalent is because it's cheap/nearly free because of the primary purpose it serves in crop rotations.

[AzzarTheGod]

It's a complete protein that doesn't fuck with people's guts like many grains do ^^





And taste good too.

may as well let Monsanto break a poolstick off in your ass.

[AzzarTheGod]

Soy does in fact have a noticeable effect on the endocrine system. That's why oncologists warn against consuming soy if you have an estrogen receptive form of cancer (like some breast cancers)

And why its recommended for women on their period.

Again, I knew a big guy who was like the posters in this thread. He drank a ton of "high quality" Soy milk, big jugs of it. Hes finished as a member of the cis male species.

[Swish]

why would you genetically modify soy and sell it to people though?

[AzzarTheGod]

woke

Man I've been looking good lately. I gained a bit of weight from 2013-2015, was still attractive but def lost some of my edge shirtless. Been visible ab status again for a year already but damn, the improvement just keeps coming even after I think I reached the top.

#soygoy

were going to need a double order of poolsticks

[renordw]

And why its recommended for women on their period.

Again, I knew a big guy who was like the posters in this thread. He drank a ton of "high quality" Soy milk, big jugs of it. Hes finished as a member of the cis male species.

I know a guy who drank water every day of his life, then died.

[Angushjalmur]

why would you genetically modify soy and sell it to people though?

to give the goys cancer so they pay you to 'treat' it

[AzzarTheGod]

why would you genetically modify soy and sell it to people though?

Turns out Soy has the properties of a weed, very strong, and very easy to modify its DNA to a desired result. Makes for good return$ on investment.

The main problem was it was rejected in Asia and Europe, they needed to create a market for the goys because legitimately there were NO BUYERS of this weirdo weed product.

They launched a massive campaign in the 1970's and the posts in this thread are a direct result of that marketing campaign's success.

Its an American thing.

[renordw]

Why would you genetically modify any crop? To increase yields, you dumb fuck

You're so jaded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice

This rice is bioengineered to produce a precursor to vitamin A to supplement it in humans

[AzzarTheGod]

I know a guy who drank water every day of his life, then died.

heh I watched his tits and ass grow big and tall firsthand.

he was pushing a C cup by age 23. He used to be a fun lean healthy dude.

[AzzarTheGod]

You don't have to eat it. The only reason it's so prevalent is because it's cheap/nearly free because of the primary purpose it serves in crop rotations.

I'm just blown away so many "woke" dudes are admitting to eating a waste crop. Its been a waste crop for 10,000 to 15,000 years...why would that change in 1970? Because some jew said so?

About those poolsticks.....

[Pumpedup]

soy is an inside joke on idiots, its literally nutritionless poison that is horrible for your body. The usda tried to make it illegal but its so deep into our food system it would be catastrophic

anyone who eats any soy product that isnt fermented on purpose is the definition of idiot.

[Pumpedup]

you are stupid , chick peas are amazing

soy is a empty husk

enjoy your roundup ready food

[AzzarTheGod]

clicked the link all I saw was a bunch of repackaged 1970's pro Soy Monsanto corporate zogbot propaganda.

$$$ lining pockets big n deep

[AzzarTheGod]

soy is an inside joke on idiots, its literally nutritionless poison that is horrible for your body. The usda tried to make it illegal but its so deep into our food system it would be catastrophic

anyone who eats any soy product that isnt fermented on purpose is the definition of idiot.


http://i.imgur.com/6BwA59i.gif

wow look at the ups on this post. knocked the goy right out of the way.

[AzzarTheGod]

when u got clout like mine the offers start comin in

always fact check

fact check fermented vs unfermented soy

[AzzarTheGod]

soy drinker

look at the backpeddle game on this goy.

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't drink any milk aside from almond and and only because I need a type of milk for certain foods.

[Korrupt]

yo dog u dont drink milk no ya i do

good troll

[AzzarTheGod]

if soy had some basis outside of the republic of zog (it doesn't) id give it a pass for occasional use.

it was not going to get a pass in this thread with said affiliations. people were unknowingly drinking distilled jew cum.

not on my watch

[Trungep99]

Fact: 1 is tasty the other is gross

Fact: I got visible abs

Fact: I avoid soy as much as I avoid regular milk

Fact and check: U can't step to me lil n*gga. Go caucus for bernie.

Fact : no one cares

[AzzarTheGod]

so you're .01% more dietarily pure than I and still so feminized u went for Bernie?

guess my genetics really are that much more superior

didn't vote in the primary

[AzzarTheGod]

Bernie also closest we've come to having a full blown anti-Semite in office.

We were close to Kristallnacht Part 2.

On November 9 to November 10, 1938, in an incident known as “Kristallnacht”, Nazis in Germany torched synagogues, vandalized Jewish homes, schools and businesses and killed close to 1000000 Bajillion Jews.

Looks pretty woke to me.

[AzzarTheGod]

Wade Black, who runs Scarsdale Equities, “I think he understands monetary policy. President Sanders, Black believes, will make Wall Street more competitive, so the vitriol against his occupation doesn’t bother him. “It’s a metaphor. There’s not going to be a Kristallnacht in Lower Manhattan. He’s talking about regulation, not shutting down the stock exchange.”

So basically, if you have to hit back on something like that, there was going to be a Kristallnacht.

More evidence. Very ashamed of his hidden Jewish ancestry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders-jewish.html?_r=0

Did we miss the next Himmler?

[maskedmelon]

I am confused. How was soy invented in the 1970's? Been eatin' tofu for millenia in Asia >.>

[AzzarTheGod]

Been eatin' tofu for millenia in Asia >.>

Unfortunately not as popular as you might think.

Was considered a shit product even then. It was mostly to support rice.

It's always been considered a support weed once people figured out it sucked

[maskedmelon]

Unfortunately not as popular as you might think.

Was considered a shit product even then. It was mostly to support rice.

It's always been considered a support weed once people figured out it sucked

In Japan Soy has long been referred to as the "meat of the field."

[AzzarTheGod]

In Japan Soy has long been referred to as the "meat of the field."

Try China, Vietnam.

Actual countries with direct routes to the silk road and extremely vast populations with very experienced agricultural gurus, mystics, and opium addicts- unanimously decided soy sucks.

[maskedmelon]

Try China, Vietnam.

Actual countries with direct routes to the silk road and extremely vast populations with very experienced agricultural gurus, mystics, and opium addicts- unanimously decided soy sucks.

But those countries don't matter ^.~v

[Rader]

Unity sucks, let the blue states unite, and the red states unite, and let's see who succeeds and who fails. Probably a bunch of people end up living in a blue state for social freedom and work in a red state for economic freedom

[Daywolf]

Or get rid of the illegal and fake votes and watch blue turn to near solid red. And blue by far doesn't have the corner on the market of social freedom. In fact it's highly repressive. It's not social freedom but social fairness. And that fairness being a construct of their own ideology; not real fairness, but of some backwards fairness doctrine that is everything but "fair".

[Trungep99]

Or get rid of the illegal and fake votes and watch blue turn to near solid red. And blue by far doesn't have the corner on the market of social freedom. In fact it's highly repressive. It's not social freedom but social fairness. And that fairness being a construct of their own ideology; not real fairness, but of some backwards fairness doctrine that is everything but "fair".

Just remember the only financially productive red state is Texas, the rest of the red states basically are mooching off of blue states and Texas profits.
Freaking welfare republicans don't deserve benefits they voted down. Let NJ and NY keep their income and not send to Feds. We have our own programs we need to implement.

[AzzarTheGod]

Just remember the only financially productive red state is Texas, the rest of the red states basically are mooching off of blue states and Texas profits.
Freaking welfare republicans don't deserve benefits they voted down. Let NJ and NY keep their income and not send to Feds. We have our own programs we need to implement.


Inclined to agree with this direction. More state and local emphasis. Stop taking the money out of the state before the states needs are met.

[Swish]

What about the national debt though?

[AzzarTheGod]

What about the national debt though?

Let the federal reserve figure it out.

[Daywolf]

What about the national debt though?
imo we make China pay for it :)
While Mexico pays for the wall.
What can we get the Canadans to pay for? eh all they have are hockey sticks anyhoot :rolleyes:
Maybe they can change their minds, open their border, take all our fleeing progressive liberals. Put them on farms and work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv5Q9we_l4) 'em :D

[AzzarTheGod]

Wow Daywolf too many words for me. Can you dumb that down any more? I got a lot of vaccines.

[Daywolf]

Wow Daywolf too many words for me. Can you dumb that down any more? I got a lot of vaccines.
I lankeded a video if it helps :)

[Swish]

If Texas secedes, does it forego it's share of the national debt? If so, they should do it ;)

[renordw]

What about the national debt though?

Nobody cares about the national debt, it's an accounting trick anyways

[AzzarTheGod]

imma beast on the mic

[Nilstoniakrath]

Or get rid of the illegal and fake votes and watch blue turn to near solid red. And blue by far doesn't have the corner on the market of social freedom. In fact it's highly repressive. It's not social freedom but social fairness. And that fairness being a construct of their own ideology; not real fairness, but of some backwards fairness doctrine that is everything but "fair".

Yes, social freedom is something the libtards should be in favor of, but they are too insecure in their ideology (and for good reason) so they instead support political correctness and want to crush free speech and freedom of association, and want to hang someone for not baking a homo wedding cake but think it is fine to fire someone for voting the wrong way (GrubHub @sshat CEO)

[Nilstoniakrath]

Unity sucks, let the blue states unite, and the red states unite, and let's see who succeeds and who fails. Probably a bunch of people end up living in a blue state for social freedom and work in a red state for economic freedom

Or just let state's rights rule... at least then we have a 1 in 50 chance of one state getting things somewhat right, instead of a singe federal government totally F-ing things up as usual

Too bad state's rights is associated with the Civil War and slavery, just because some dumb@$$ bigots were morons 150 years ago shouldn't dictate what we do today

[R Flair]

yea what are the arguments libs have against state rights anyway? one state turning itself into a tarpit and the other turning itself into a heavens gate christian community? Who gives a shit.

It's all about control. They want everyone to believe their ideals and enjoy their variety of freedom... at gun point.

That they might finally do away with that pesky "Judeo-Christian ethics" and any form of morality.

[R Flair]

Another liberal racism hoax exposed. Think this is like the 20th one ive seen exposed in the last 2 weeks alone.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2016/11/19/BGSU-Second-report-of-slur-attack-false-too.html

[Xaanka]

Yes, social freedom is something the libtards should be in favor of, but they are too insecure in their ideology (and for good reason) so they instead support political correctness and want to crush free speech and freedom of association, and want to hang someone for not baking a homo wedding cake but think it is fine to fire someone for voting the wrong way (GrubHub @sshat CEO)

lol obama ignored the north dakota pipeline issue for years choosing instead to play golf and waste government resources on harassing cake bakers but he was a relaly good president guys i promise

[AzzarTheGod]

lol obama ignored the north dakota pipeline issue for years choosing instead to play golf and waste government resources on harassing cake bakers but he was a relaly good president guys i promise

Didn't they say the white house knew of the pipeline 30-40 days ago or w/e and that they had suspended construction via 0bama's will?

lol so much junk media posting "wishful thinking" articles I guess. I read a "legit" news website which said they stopped via 0bama's intervention after the dogs bit everyone.

[Daywolf]

Didn't they say the white house knew of the pipeline 30-40 days ago or w/e and that they had suspended construction via 0bama's will?

lol so much junk media posting "wishful thinking" articles I guess. I read a "legit" news website which said they stopped via 0bama's intervention after the dogs bit everyone.
er no, I was watching a live stream last week from a guy standing between a line of cops in full riot gear looking pretty pissed, and a whole lot of angry protesting native Americans, was on a city street. They were just standing there motionless staring each other down with daggers in their eyes. Then one of the cops behind the line pulls out a shotgun from his riot vehicle, then realizes the camera is on him, then quickly hides the shotgun behind him hehe. Camera guy starts taunting the cop "I see what you're hiding, you pulled out a shotgun!" And he's all "where is your name tag?!?" etc etc. They were all intense ready to go.

Yeah I still don't think they are interested in making a deal for a few cartons of bottled water and a pack of smokes - or whatever else that was when the pale face guys from the company met them on that dirt road at the river. ...if you remember that vid posted here. was lol

[Xaanka]

Didn't they say the white house knew of the pipeline 30-40 days ago or w/e and that they had suspended construction via 0bama's will?

lol so much junk media posting "wishful thinking" articles I guess. I read a "legit" news website which said they stopped via 0bama's intervention after the dogs bit everyone.

yeah that's the agenda being pushed.

reality: tribe was warned about the possible land conflict a fuck load of times. discredits the tribe's bs story.

"4. Sufficiency of Consultations
Plaintiff’s last point on the merits is that the Corps failed to offer it a reasonable opportunity to participate in the Section 106 process as to the narrow scope of the construction activity that the Corps did consider to be an effect of the permitted waterway activities. The
factual proceedings recited in exhaustive detail in Section I.D., supra, tell a different story. The Corps has documented dozens of attempts to engage Standing Rock in consultations to identify
historical resources at Lake Oahe and other PCN crossings. To the reader’s relief, the Courtneed not repeat them here. Suffice it to say that the Tribe largely refused to engage in consultations"

http://www.eenews.net/assets/2016/09/09/document_pm_04.pdf

Court proceedings show that the pipe was routed with participation of over 50 other tribes and this one basically just refused to engage the army corps..

The left implying Obama had no idea about it!!!!!!!! when it's been in debate for 7 years, a topic trump campaigned on, was already built to the shore line of missouri, and was the literal first #1 top priority for the republican senate last time control flipped, is comical at best. gold fish memories or something. o man he totally didn't ignore the issue for years under the assumption hillary could continue to do the same & no one would notice. trump getting elected definitely didn't force his hand to block the pipeline to fuck with Trump forcing him to inherit one shit show of an environmental wedge issue.

[Tradesonred]

The left

lol

So what do you have to say about cops using water cannons in freezing temperatures on people who dont want a pipeline over a river that is literally millions of peoples access to clean water?

Also a girls arm was exploded with a concussion grenade, that is some fucked up shit.

You can always count on apocalyptic morons here to defend that kind of thing and fetch some information that confirms their bias.

[Xaanka]

lol

So what do you have to say about cops using water cannons in freezing temperatures on people who dont want a pipeline over a river that is literally millions of peoples access to clean water?

Also a girls arm was exploded with a concussion grenade, that is some fucked up shit.

You can always count on apocalyptic morons here to defend that kind of thing and fetch some information that confirms their bias.

yeah dude all those things are really fucked up, kind of like the things happening in countries like Syria. i think those are a lot worse actually. so if you're going to go for some kind of appeal to emotion (logical fallacy) to avoid talking about the actual pros/cons of the keystone xl at least take some time to consider the global impact. keystone xl will make america less dependent on the middle east for oil. leading to less countries being destabilized by neoliberals/neocons like Obama and GWB over oil. leading to over all less human suffering.

if you want to argue the environmental angle (obama's justification) vetoing the keystone xl also essentially pulled US support from the largest tar cleanup in the world. at best it's a symbolic move in that regard. in reality the keystone xl is really good for canada's environment but obviously has the normal risks of a pipeline on our soil. then again it's not like obama seems to have any problem with the new pipelines between us and mexico.

also what bias are you suggesting i have? are you subtly trying to lump me in with some kind of ideology? please don't.

[Tradesonred]

yeah dude all those things are really fucked up, kind of like the things happening in countries like Syria. i think those are a lot worse actually. so if you're going to go for some kind of appeal to emotion (logical fallacy) to avoid talking about the actual pros/cons of the keystone xl at least make it consistent. keystone xl will make america less dependent on the middle east for oil. leading to less countries being destabilized by neoliberals/neocons like Obama and GWB over oil.

if you want to argue the environmental angle, vetoing the keystone xl also essentially pulled US support from the largest tar cleanup in the world.

Yes its an appeal to emotion. Cops ripped apart a 21 yo girl's arm to dissuade people from protesting a pipeline that puts at risk the clean water of millions of people. Just to outline the hypocrisy of people here talking about freedom this freedom that but excuse rights crushing cops at any chance they get.

Its not Keystone XL by the way. Its the DAPL pipeline.

[maskedmelon]

Yes its an appeal to emotion. Cops ripped apart a 21 yo girl's arm to dissuade people from protesting a pipeline that puts at risk the clean water of millions of people.

Wow, that really is super fucked. I thought it was from a concussion grenade. What'd they do, like hold her down and strap it to her arm?

[Tradesonred]

Wow, that really is super fucked. I thought it was from a concussion grenade. What'd they do, like hold her down and strap it to her arm?

I guess that excuses it all? You guys are a bunch of dead inside, cold fishes. Thats the bottom line. With nothing left to kill inside, you reach outward for the next thing to turn to shit.

[maskedmelon]

I guess that excuses it all? You guys are a bunch of dead inside, cold fishes. Thats the bottom line. With nothing left to kill inside, you reach outward for the next thing to turn to shit.

No it don't excuse it, but it don't make what you said true either. I think the use of concussion grenades should be thoroughly reviewed after this. I had no idea they could produce this sort of result, though it stands to reason. I would hope the officers were aware. There should be an investigation and one would hope that the media does its part in making people aware of what can happen. It's a sad story :c

[Tradesonred]

No it don't excuse it, but it don't make what you said true either. I think the use of concussion grenades should be thoroughly reviewed after this. I had no idea they could produce this sort of result, though it stands to reason. I would hope the officers were aware. There should be an investigation and one would hope that the media does its part in making people aware of what can happen. It's a sad story :c

Local sheriff is denying it was them. Father of girl says doctor has removed shrapnel from her arm and keeping it as evidence. Cops also said they didnt use water cannons on protesters and footage can be easily found everywhere. Nothing can turn this around besides public opinion. I feel its tragic, honestly, without trolling, that so many white americans are blind to the notion that someday this militarized police shit, theyre also going to taste it. First they came for...

[Tradesonred]

I gotta say its encouraging to see some military people, people that arent sterotypically "hippies" or leftists taking some stances on the violation of people rights http://miniplanet.us/veterans-deploy-to-standing-rock-to-engage-the-enemy-the-us-government/

[Supreme]

Meh stop generalizing and allowing the extreme minority voice to represent the majority.

[Whirled]

I had heard about that incident with the girls arm being fragged. Sad to hear of such violence when it is totally avoidable. I will add that a NJ radio station mentioned that the protestors had propane tanks they were using and they are blaming it on that. They also state that the guards & riot police at that particular function did not have the grenades that the protestors are saying blasted her arm up.
If I find a link I'll share but it was one of those Democratic news radio stations. I want to say NPR, but not 100%.

[maskedmelon]

Local sheriff is denying it was them. Father of girl says doctor has removed shrapnel from her arm and keeping it as evidence. Cops also said they didnt use water cannons on protesters and footage can be easily found everywhere. Nothing can turn this around besides public opinion. I feel its tragic, honestly, without trolling, that so many white americans are blind to the notion that someday this militarized police shit, theyre also going to taste it. First they came for...

I agree with you that militarization of police forces is a particularly disturbing development and have to strongly question why the police would have concussion grenades at all. Stun grenades? Sure. Concussion grenades though. Just doesn't seem right. I was thinking a concussion grenade was a stun grenade when you first mentioned it, but see that it is not.

On the otherhand, throwing shit at people with weapons is just stupid because they are people too and if they feel threatened, they are going to respond. The response must be enough to immediately halt aggression or you will see much more damage of persons and property. Obviously police should not have concussion grenades to respond with. If a situation rises to the level that they are necessary (pretty fucking high), the national guard should be there.

[Xaanka]

Yes its an appeal to emotion. Cops ripped apart a 21 yo girl's arm to dissuade people from protesting a pipeline that puts at risk the clean water of millions of people. Just to outline the hypocrisy of people here talking about freedom this freedom that but excuse rights crushing cops at any chance they get.

Its not Keystone XL by the way. Its the DAPL pipeline.

sorry i was multitasking shitposting on a few websites and crossed wires in my brain.

emotion != logic

what i'm trying to say is, you can't just use "something bad happened to a protestor" to strawman a discussion about how Standing Rock Sioux tribal leaders and Obama fucked off this issue leading it to get to this point in the first place.

nobody is disagreeing with you that the way the police are handling protestors is fucked up. it's not like i haven't seen the videos either. stop trying to strawman me.

i was pointing out the impact on oil dependence in the middle east because it showcases the fact that you've been shoehorned into a narrow and emotion-driven view of a greater issue. Just pointing out the irony behind the emotional appeal from some girl's arm getting blown off by a less-lethal while ignoring the greater global impact of US dependence on foreign oil. but hey let's not think about the people who are being killed every day and subjected to the tyrannical rule of tribal warlords as a direct result of Obama's actions and a dependence on middle east oil just because they aren't the right shade of brown to tug at your heartstrings or far enough away to pretend they don't exist.

the police handling of the protests and the pipeline itself are two separate issues. in your mind you're "right" because you have tunnel vision. in reality, the pipeline is good and the polices' handling of the protest is bad. you're suggesting that both ideas are inclusive, when they have nothing to do with each other. pointing out "cops did fucked up things to the protestors" doesn't make the protesters right. you're giving them a martyr complex. stop it.

[Angushjalmur]

Peaceful protests are legal

Don't do stupid shit, don't get treated like a stupid shit.

[Tradesonred]

what i'm trying to say is, you can't just use "something bad happened to a protestor" to strawman a discussion about how Standing Rock Sioux tribal leaders and Obama fucked off this issue leading it to get to this point in the first place.



I wasnt doing that, i was just responding to part of your post. If you want me to criticize the Obama administration i can do that all day.

[Xaanka]

I wasnt doing that, i was just responding to part of your post. If you want me to criticize the Obama administration i can do that all day.

You implied I have an ideaology bias (strawman) and used an appeal to emotion to sidetrack a conversation about how those pipeline protests came to be in the first place.

2 seconds on google and you can see every mainstream news outlet except fox trying their hardest to spin these protest to be trump's fault. which is easy to do because they're protesting his stance on the pipeline. the thing is, the only reason the situation was allowed to get this far in the first place is obama + their own tribal leaders. in the case of the concussion grenade arm girl, you can also lay blame on that place's local law enforcement. note the timing of obama's veto, he wasn't going to veto if hillary won and hillary's private stance was quite clearly pro-pipeline evidenced by the emails i linked earlier. not to mention all the holes that have been poked in the environmentalism angle obama's taking. it was a calculated political move to force Trump into inheriting a publicly unpopular wedge issue.

another big lie the standing rock sioux & social media is spreading is that the government never tried working with the tribe, when in reality they were given a fuck load of chances to voice their concerns about their water supply, propose reroutes etc and didn't even bother showing up to the meetings.

no sympathy except for the actual protestors who were knowingly put at risk through the negligence of their own tribal leaders due to their own incompetence. their leaders failed them.

[Nilstoniakrath]

who the fuck is this guy. who are any of these people from this last week.

these 50-200 post accounts from 2 or more years ago are coming out of the damn woodwork. we got a real psycho on our hands here.

Yeah, state's rights, F ing craziness... unless we are discussing sanctuary cities, or states that want to legalize pot. Then it is the poor and oppressed taking a stance against "the man"

Or lets discuss voter suppression... asking for a F ing ID when voting is racist... but it is perfectly legit to demand a six month waiting period and a thorough background check when someone wants to buy a gun - no, that is not racist or misogynist at all. What about when buying booze, or getting on a plane? Is it racist to ask for a F ing ID then?

[Angushjalmur]

You implied I have an ideaology bias (strawman) and used an appeal to emotion to sidetrack a conversation about how those pipeline protests came to be in the first place.

2 seconds on google and you can see every mainstream news outlet except fox trying their hardest to spin these protest to be trump's fault. which is easy to do because they're protesting his stance on the pipeline. the thing is, the only reason the situation was allowed to get this far in the first place is obama + their own tribal leaders. in the case of the concussion grenade arm girl, you can also lay blame on that place's local law enforcement. note the timing of obama's veto, he wasn't going to veto if hillary won and hillary's private stance was quite clearly pro-pipeline evidenced by the emails i linked earlier. not to mention all the holes that have been poked in the environmentalism angle obama's taking. it was a calculated political move to force Trump into inheriting a publicly unpopular wedge issue.

another big lie the standing rock sioux & social media is spreading is that the government never tried working with the tribe, when in reality they were given a fuck load of chances to voice their concerns about their water supply, propose reroutes etc and didn't even bother showing up to the meetings.

no sympathy except for the actual protestors who were knowingly put at risk through the negligence of their own tribal leaders due to their own incompetence. their leaders failed them.

Holy dunks batman