why exactly can't you sit down while casting spells on p99? blue?

[dbouya]

Why exactly can't you sit down while casting spells on p99? blue? (at very least from items).

I'm 100% certain that in 2001 after velious came out and before luclin came out my druid used his elder spirit's greaves effect while meditating to help powerlevel my friend's warrior at the djinni in solb.

It required a macro, but it worked. (IIRC you also had to stand back up before the spell finished so the macro had a pause 10 in it. So cast/sit/stand).

This was probably a bug in 2001, but if bugs from 2001 are being fixed why do clickies on p99 still reset global spell cooldown timer?
is this a client issue with titanium that cannot be fixed?

It had to be before luclin because before luclin was released I quit the game entirely after someone logged in as me and death looped me from level 60 to level 1.
If this is an intentional choice I'll drop it, if this is only done due to lack of proof, then I'll try to research it.

[Swish2]

I believe you used to be able to before they started fixing things that weren't classic. Such as the compass, target rings, target con color on the target bar...etc.

[Pokesan]

because sirkens redacted is in your radio edit

[dbouya]

I believe you used to be able to before they started fixing things that weren't classic. Such as the compass, target rings, target con color on the target bar...etc.

If this is the case then I should do some research to try to find proof of my claims.
It seemed more likely to me though that it was a client limitation though like lighting, or stamina, or whirltillhurl, in which case it'd be pointless of me to endless troll old internet forum archives. Maybe someone knows which reason it is for sure though?

[surron]

you can do this on red. ducking doesnt cancel a spell there either

[Swish2]

you can do this on red. ducking doesnt cancel a spell there either

http://i.imgur.com/GyaUGaT.gif

...and yes it should have been this way on blue as well up to a certain point, they never patched it in.

[Kaosfury]

Swish2.....your a beautiful jerk......let me explain.

Your sig at the bottom with the dogs....... omfg, i saw it thjs morning and was so funny i spilled my coffe...so thanks bro, hehe you jerk

[paulgiamatti]

I have a vague recollection of people doing this too, which would have had to be period correct because I only played from launch until the release of Luclin. In any case, we can have a 100-page discussion about it here but nothing will be done until you do the proper research (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5570) and then create a thread in the Bugs forum (http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6) providing evidence.

[Trungep99]

you can do this on red. ducking doesnt cancel a spell there either

Why did they choose not to allow that?

[dbouya]

I have a vague recollection of people doing this too, which would have had to be period correct because I only played from launch until the release of Luclin. In any case, we can have a 100-page discussion about it here but nothing will be done until you do the proper research (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5570) and then create a thread in the Bugs forum (http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6) providing evidence.



I'm only asking here because I thought maybe the research was already done and for other reasons they chose not to do it.

Which this guy seems to be implying below:


...and yes it should have been this way on blue as well up to a certain point, they never patched it in.

[Swish2]

I'm only asking here because I thought maybe the research was already done and for other reasons they chose not to do it.

Which this guy seems to be implying below:

Can you imagine the shit show and wipes during hardcore raiding? Especially to begin with. If only for that reason I'd love to have seen no duck/cancel til the proper patch ^^

[Ele]

2010 Thread from Rogean concerning this subject:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17095&highlight=duck+interrupt

From another thread on this subject:

Proof you couldn't instantly cancel a spell by ducking? See patch note below. Before the patch you had to be ducking by the time the spell finished casting for it to interrupt, but you could duck all you wanted during the cast and it would still continue and successfully cast if you were properly standing at the end of the timer. It would also allow people to click items and sit down to med and as long as you were properly standing at the end of the clickie cast time it would work. Excellent for Donal's BP and other long cast time items.

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June 27, 2001 3:00 am (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010627.html)
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As to OP, this has been raised numerous times.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191459&highlight=duck+cast

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50097&highlight=duck
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53604&highlight=duck
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53587&highlight=duck
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50035&highlight=duck+cast
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53309&highlight=duck+interrupt
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58707&highlight=duck+interrupt
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96441&highlight=duck+interrupt
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273&highlight=duck+interrupt
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58814&highlight=duck+interrupt
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184095&highlight=duck+cast

In sum, red shouldn't be able to sit.

[paulgiamatti]

So that means if they did decide to allow sitting etc. while casting, the downside would be being unable to instantly interrupt casting by ducking. And at this point, it's far enough along in the timeline to just forget about it, because the change to disallow sitting etc. while casting was implemented late-Velious, which inadvertently caused the ability to instant duck-interrupt. If they decided to change it to be classic now, it'd have to be undone in a few months anyway.

And yeah, as Ele stated it should be removed from red before the end of the Velious timeline.

[dbouya]

Okay cool, thanks for finding that old thread for me.
so nilbog 100% agrees with me, I was right, others already found the proof, there's no need for me to look for the proof.
However the code for it never got written and now it's pointless because in a few months it would need to be disabled anyways. Because there is proof that it was changed in june 2001.


I do hope we get this feature for p99 green though, which might run for a few years of classic/kunark where ducking shouldn't work and item-meditating should. So, I guess if any gm's discover the code for this in a dream, they can take note of that, and save it for green server's classic launch. (If p99 green is still being worked on that is.)

Thanks again for finding that old thread from 2010, it answers all my questions perfectly.

[paulgiamatti]

Well, the code was written since it's already been implemented on red, but for whatever reason they didn't also implement it on blue. Which is a shame - all those poor nerds CotH-ducking for hours on end shouldn't have been able to CotH-duck at all.

[dbouya]

well then if green ever happens I look forward to seeing it there!

[skarlorn]

if you truly love classic, you will use the honor system and never duck a spell

[Brontus]

Even worse, why can't we forage when sitting?

You can sit when interacting with a banker or a vendor but you can't forage?

The stupidity of some of SOE's decisions (we did it because MUDS did it this way logic) never ceases to amaze me....

[maskedmelon]

Even worse, why can't we forage when sitting?

You can sit when interacting with a banker or a vendor but you can't forage?

The stupidity of some of SOE's decisions (we did it because MUDS did it this way logic) never ceases to amaze me....

Mostly agree. Should have to crouch to forage.

#immerseme

[Muggens]

Even worse, why can't we forage when sitting?

You can sit when interacting with a banker or a vendor but you can't forage?

The stupidity of some of SOE's decisions (we did it because MUDS did it this way logic) never ceases to amaze me....

Try and go out into the woods and forage for food while sitting, its not possible. To sit and talk is nice.