Bard mana songs:

[Jauna]

When do they become actual buffs?

[Pyrion]

Only the first one (Level 20) is a buff, but as usual only 3 ticks. The later ones just generate mana every tick as far as i know.

[astuce999]

Level 20 and level 32 mana song are singing-based pulse songs; they add mana on a one-time basis when played, like a mini-twitch. They are affected by singing instrument modifications, although it is likely still broken on p99.

Level 34 mana song is a string based 3 tick duration song, that requires a lute to play. The healing portion of the song is affected by an instrument, the mana one isn't.

Level 55 mana song is a string based 3 tick duration song, that doesn't require a lute to play. The healing portion of the song is affected by an instrument, the mana one isn't.

Astuce

[Wiley]

and just in case you weren't aware mana regen of any kind doesn't work on bards, songs, spells, flowing thought.

1mana/tick is all they get

[zanderklocke]

and just in case you weren't aware mana regen of any kind doesn't work on bards, songs, spells, flowing thought.

1mana/tick is all they get

Flowing thought from equipped items doesn't work on bards? I always thought it would.

I guess I haven't tested, but that's interesting to know.

[Jauna]

Alright... my fault.

On live, the pulse songs(lvl20 and 32) became actual buffs. I am wondering if it will ever happen on p99.

[Sadiki]

Flowing thought from equipped items doesn't work on bards? I always thought it would.
Flowing Thought does work on bards, although I couldn't confirm if it works on this server in particular. I had something like FT12 on live during PoP era for Fading Memories. Edit: I had FT14.

[fastboy21]

Alright... my fault.

On live, the pulse songs(lvl20 and 32) became actual buffs. I am wondering if it will ever happen on p99.

I don't believe this will ever happen here. The pulse and the buff song "stack", so you can twist 3 pulses with the 55 song. As said above, the mana portion of the 55 song is not affected by stringed instruments (it does mod the health regen portion of the song).

FYI,

C2 is 11 mana/tick + Gift of Brilliance is 2 mana/tick

Cassindra's (pulse song) is 7 mana/tick + Cantana (song) is 13 mana/tick

FT does work for bard mana regen.
I also believe you do regen mana faster on your bard while sitting. (It should be 2 mana rather than 1.)

[astuce999]

Maybe FT works on bards on p99, but it would be wrong (not classic).

It wasn't changed until late Luclin. Maybe I can find the patch.

I remember campaigning for this change.

Astuce

[Triiz]

I also believe you do regen mana faster on your bard while sitting. (It should be 2 mana rather than 1.)

Can confirm it's 2/tick sitting.

[pogs4ever]

Epic and puretone disc should affect the L32 song mana/pulse correct? But it shouldn't affect the L55 mana regen rate?

[virulentthemonstaire]

bard epic 'does' affect the mana pulse singing mod song on p99, i've tested with other people

-Drastick Measure, 60th Human Bard

[Jauna]

It wasn't changed until late Luclin. Maybe I can find the patch.

While you are at it see when the pulse songs become buff songs. its horse shit leveling a bard because of the pulse crap

[astuce999]

While you are at it see when the pulse songs become buff songs. its horse shit leveling a bard because of the pulse crap

That one is easy, November 5th 2003.

- Cassindra's Chant of Clarity and Cassindra's Chorus of Clarity now lasts 3 ticks instead of being instant.


Astuce

[astuce999]

I haven't found the patch, it may have been a stealth change, I did find a rant by Thott about it here:

http://www.afterlifeguild.org/Thott/retune.php

"Since Luclin shipped, FT has increased from 1, possibly 2, to 15. FT 0->15 is an enormous leap in power for casters and hybrids...yet FT doesn't work on bards. FT is a straight up, across the board, large jump in power for all casting classes...except bards.

Has mob power increased along with FT? Nope. Many times bards/enc have joined groups, adding mana needed for the group to kill without downtime. Now that mana is available to all. Bard/enc mana is no longer necessary to avoid downtime.

Bards lost relative power due to FT itself, and lost power due to secondary effects from FT. What changed with bards? Nothing, bards were forgotten. "

possibly more to come.

Astuce

[zanderklocke]

You know, I've always read that statement from Thott as a metaphor indicating that increasing mana regen with Flowing Thought impacts every caster class a ton except for bards because bards' songs are not reliant on mana for the most part.

However, maybe he "literally" meant that FT does not affect bards.

I actually emailed Thott in the past about that statement, based on some email address I found online, but he never responded.

[astuce999]

Anecdotal evidence, but I clearly remember not being allowed to bid on:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=10269

because it had FT3 and it was made only available to casters in our guild and the FT portion would be "lost on bards".

I really hated fighting that big wurm event haha.

Astuce

[lurk]

Yeah FT change for bards came in luclin but wasnt even a huge deal until fading memories.

Unrelated but Thott's post saying velious era casters could hope for ft1 or 2 at best proves once again that FT should not stack. There were practically no tunare kills but still plenty of FT1 and 2 items which from what i understand becomes FT3 on p99.


You could never stack FT 1, 2 and 5 to get 8 during velious.


Edit: last post reminded me...put burrower parasite event in west wastes after patches are done. Hes basically the next level after AOW with classic graphics and loot. Make it a crazy rare random spawn in cave blocked by DTers so you have to do the event right

[astuce999]

Yeah FT change for bards came in luclin but wasnt even a huge deal until fading memories.

Unrelated but Thott's post saying velious era casters could hope for ft1 or 2 at best proves once again that FT should not stack. There were practically no tunare kills but still plenty of FT1 and 2 items which from what i understand becomes FT3 on p99.


You could never stack FT 1, 2 and 5 to get 8 during velious.


Edit: last post reminded me...put burrower parasite event in west wastes after patches are done. Hes basically the next level after AOW with classic graphics and loot. Make it a crazy rare random spawn in cave blocked by DTers so you have to do the event right

Yeah stacking FT items proof is easy to find.

January 8, 2002.

-Flowing Thought effects will now stack.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20020108.html

Astuce