Thoughts on reincarnation

[Angushjalmur]

I have a theory that reincarnation is a legit thing, though not necessarily in the same way it's traditionally viewed.

See, energy cannot be created or destroyed, but the amount of energy in the universe IS finite. This holds true for all energy, including souls. I believe that most people today are essentially NPCs, because the number of people greatly outweighs the number of souls available. While some people are born with souls, most are not simply because there aren't enough to go around. This explains a lot. From the grossly successful people who have risen the ranks by any degenerate means necessary (they have the compulsion for success but not the soul to act as a governor of their actions) to the fat girls who dress like they weigh 115 and think they're sexy. These people lack souls and are thus lacking self awareness. Hollow if you will.

Ancient civilizations were somehow able to figure out the gist of things like the big bang, quite possibly because early on some souls were reincarnated retaining knowledge of past lives. Following this logic, it's entirely possible for whomever was responsible for the georgia guide stones to have some sort of insider knowledge of how many souls there are available. Perhaps 500,000,000 is in the neighborhood of how many souls are available.

Every culture has had some belief regarding reincarnation, or at least the soul living on after the physical body dies. The viking soul went to one of several ethereal planes depending on how the soul lived (and died) in the physical world. Native americans believed the soul returned to nature with the body. Buddhists believe the soul takes up another body upon death to come back and learn another lesson. It's important to not deny or ignore that which cannot be quantified by trendy current science, and to remember that not all ancient knowledge is the result of drug use or primitive rationalization. Our ancestors knew some stuff that they had no right knowing by today's standards. What are your thoughts on reincarnation?

[skarlorn]

Tagged for after morning meditation

[Aesop]

All children of God, much like yourself perhaps.

Everyone has a soul, but freedom is the hardest environment to govern yourselves in. Greater virtue can be found where choice has less authority, great quote my Machiavelli -- and choice has ALL the authority in the world we live in.

I don't know if souls are reincarnated. My people have some beliefs about aspects of personality, and some essence of the people who died around the time you are born being passed on but I don't know if that's reincarnation so much as recognition that we are not that much different in any significant sense than all the humans who came before us. Mostly just inhabit different paradigms with the same machinery.

[Angushjalmur]

All children of God, much like yourself perhaps.

Everyone has a soul, but freedom is the hardest environment to govern yourselves in. Greater virtue can be found where choice has less authority, great quote my Machiavelli -- and choice has ALL the authority in the world we live in.

I don't know if souls are reincarnated. My people have some beliefs about aspects of personality, and some essence of the people who died around the time you are born being passed on but I don't know if that's reincarnation so much as recognition that we are not that much different in any significant sense than all the humans who came before us. Mostly just inhabit different paradigms with the same machinery.

I feel like "children of god" should be understood in much more ambiguous terms. God being the all encompassing term for consciousness and superanimalistic knowledge. God being the creator in the sense that what we perceive is real, thus consciousness creates reality. The children of that idea of god being those who are aware aka have souls.

Who are your people btw? I know of a few cultures who believe that traits of recently dead relatives are passed on to children born shortly after their physical death.

[R Flair]

pipedream

[Angushjalmur]

Rick has some insider knowledge of the afterlfe, thus proving it exists

Please share with the group, rick

[skarlorn]

Sorry bud, but you've confused the material universe for being the entirety of existence. If you're sincere about this line of inquiry, there are some ancient texts from the Buddhists (namely Tibetan book of the dead) as well as plenty from Hinduism that delineate the existence of the spiritual-infinite world and the material world. These ancient religions state that the human body is no different from a material animal who lives purely for sense gratification except for the our soul, which allows us the ability to engage in spiritual development and escape this plane of suffering.

Tl;dr material (atomic) energy is finite. God energy is infinite. Spirit/soul comes from god energy.

[skarlorn]

However, the people you suggested as spiritually undeveloped (seekers of material wealth as life calling) etc, would probably be considered young souls that have not made much progress in their former lives, or only recently began human expressions of existence

[Spyder73]

The Georgia Guidestones are a construct sponsored by uber-rich racist Eugenicists who plan to wipe out 90% of the world population.

[Tolgrim]

It's a thought but it still sounds like a very far stretch to me. Just enjoy and live life. I find that worrying about whether or not I'm going to hell or where I'll go when I die just makes me miserable. But it is fun to ponder on. I personally believe when we die. Well, we die. There's nothing more. Once the brain dies so does our consciousness. Just like before we were born.

[Trollhide]

The human soul and by extension the afterlife are fictional constructs of our fragile human ego's inability to process the fact that we just aren't as important as we think we are. We came from nothing and will become nothing.

Quite literally, YOLO.

[Whirled]

So, if a person dies, you feel he reappears in another form, here on Earth and continues this cycle? Why not another life form on a distant planet? What about the many other things that live off of methane gases or stuff our science is just scratching the surface of? Or do oxygen breathing souls have to continue as the former dead selves?
/ponder

[Spyder73]

I like to think that energy neither being created nor destroyed means that in some way we live on forever. Will we have a recollection of this life? No. But that isn't a bad thing. imagine if you lived a horrible life - crippled/blinded/maimed/tormented/retarded/stupid/ugly/fat - There any number of things most people probably wouldn't want to remember. Maybe your energy makes you a tree for a while, or maybe a bird, or maybe a millionaire pimp. In the infinite timeline of the universe you can be anything/everything at some point.

I do believe that we are all part of the Earth and our energy feeds it and lets it continue to renew itself, but if the universe is infinite and Time is perhaps meaningless, everyone will eventually be everything.

[Angushjalmur]

Sorry bud, but you've confused the material universe for being the entirety of existence. If you're sincere about this line of inquiry, there are some ancient texts from the Buddhists (namely Tibetan book of the dead) as well as plenty from Hinduism that delineate the existence of the spiritual-infinite world and the material world. These ancient religions state that the human body is no different from a material animal who lives purely for sense gratification except for the our soul, which allows us the ability to engage in spiritual development and escape this plane of suffering.

Tl;dr material (atomic) energy is finite. God energy is infinite. Spirit/soul comes from god energy.
I think you misunderstood me, brother Skarlorn. Spiritual energy would fall into a realm other than the material universe, though all dimensions are in some way connected, at least at times. Strange supernatural phenomena occurring when the fabric of this reality rubs and intertwines with another. Spirits not being material means that there must be at least one other reality in which they reside while not inhabiting a physical form. I'm not sure I agree with the goal being escaping the suffering of the material plane, as a soul wouldnt return here once escaping the first time. It might just be god (me) returning here to experience mortal life to fend off the divine ennui of infinity and eternity.
However, the people you suggested as spiritually undeveloped (seekers of material wealth as life calling) etc, would probably be considered young souls that have not made much progress in their former lives, or only recently began human expressions of existence
Interesting take with the young soul theory, but I believe all energy that will ever be has already been created. The only way for this to happen is if energy in one form is somewhere being converted into spiritual energy.
The Georgia Guidestones are a construct sponsored by uber-rich racist Eugenicists who plan to wipe out 90% of the world population.

Can't say I dont support depopulation and eugenics, provided the right group is propagated. It would make for a much nicer arena for the deserving spirits to inhabit physically

[Angushjalmur]

The human soul and by extension the afterlife are fictional constructs of our fragile human ego's inability to process the fact that we just aren't as important as we think we are. We came from nothing and will become nothing.

Quite literally, YOLO.

In order to assert this claim, you must have already experienced death firsthand, and have been reborn retaining previous consciousness, thus proving the existence of souls and a world aside from this one while denying it exists.

[Angushjalmur]

So, if a person dies, you feel he reappears in another form, here on Earth and continues this cycle? Why not another life form on a distant planet? What about the many other things that live off of methane gases or stuff our science is just scratching the surface of? Or do oxygen breathing souls have to continue as the former dead selves?
/ponder

I didn't say that, and yours is certainly a reasonable assumption. Life is life, and statistically isnt exclusive to earth. Souls wouldnt breathe or require anything a physical body would require. It's not outside the realm of possibility that a soul that once inhabited a carbon based life form may also at some point inhabit a silica or sulfur ect based life form

[maskedmelon]

Dunno what I think about reincarnation specifically as I not given it much thought. In fact, I generally abstain from any serious consideration of supernatural things because there can be no solution and that, for me, is absolutely maddening. I prefer to rule my delusions from atop the high mount of deviance. There is no place for irrational thought outside of me.

A couple of thoughts though ^^

1. Life is finite. Whether a soul or a thing's energy survives an encounter with death, a life has ended.
2. Death is infinite. All things die and outside of a handful of exceptions, remain that way, indefinitely. Death is persistent.

Death is the nature of reality.

[Trollhide]

In order to assert this claim, you must have already experienced death firsthand, and have been reborn retaining previous consciousness, thus proving the existence of souls and a world aside from this one while denying it exists.
The same can be said of any belief regarding an afterlife. What's your point?

[Whirled]

I didn't say that, and yours is certainly a reasonable assumption. Life is life, and statistically isnt exclusive to earth. Souls wouldnt breathe or require anything a physical body would require. It's not outside the realm of possibility that a soul that once inhabited a carbon based life form may also at some point inhabit a silica or sulfur ect based life form

Lots of deep thoughts. One step further. In some religions, it states that we are all one or at least connected in some fashion. Does this give scientific backing to say; since we're all star dust, that we all have some sense of being together or should feel a sense of comradery/community towards one another? Also, if this star dust theory is true, does it not push for a reason to why humans look to a higher power or some one or thing to rule over this community instead of anarchy? A god, king, whatever...

Another angle being, perhaps those in the physical realm with little spiritual maturity leave themselves open to the rights & wrongs of the physical world. Examples being: The hollow feeling millionaire that yearns for something more in life, the jihadist seeking revenge from war torn deeds, etc...

[dennardscott86]

GOD Is a figment of our imagination just like Time. Time travel is a ploy to get us to overlook Energy Travel which is the means of focusing your mind to a specific memory and allowing your energy to take you there through Experience. The Light at the end of the tunnel during death is you being reborn out of another Vagina because the energy you harbor is a unique energy and can never be lost, just moved. HULK IS STRONGEST THERE IS!!!!! Deadpool will find his way to our plane of reality and kill us all!!!! THE END IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!

[AzzarTheGod]

I have a theory that reincarnation is a legit thing, though not necessarily in the same way it's traditionally viewed.

See, energy cannot be created or destroyed, but the amount of energy in the universe IS finite. This holds true for all energy, including souls. I believe that most people today are essentially NPCs, because the number of people greatly outweighs the number of souls available. While some people are born with souls, most are not simply because there aren't enough to go around. This explains a lot. From the grossly successful people who have risen the ranks by any degenerate means necessary (they have the compulsion for success but not the soul to act as a governor of their actions) to the fat girls who dress like they weigh 115 and think they're sexy. These people lack souls and are thus lacking self awareness. Hollow if you will.

Ancient civilizations were somehow able to figure out the gist of things like the big bang, quite possibly because early on some souls were reincarnated retaining knowledge of past lives. Following this logic, it's entirely possible for whomever was responsible for the georgia guide stones to have some sort of insider knowledge of how many souls there are available. Perhaps 500,000,000 is in the neighborhood of how many souls are available.

Every culture has had some belief regarding reincarnation, or at least the soul living on after the physical body dies. The viking soul went to one of several ethereal planes depending on how the soul lived (and died) in the physical world. Native americans believed the soul returned to nature with the body. Buddhists believe the soul takes up another body upon death to come back and learn another lesson. It's important to not deny or ignore that which cannot be quantified by trendy current science, and to remember that not all ancient knowledge is the result of drug use or primitive rationalization. Our ancestors knew some stuff that they had no right knowing by today's standards. What are your thoughts on reincarnation?

would it matter?

consciousness absolutely does not reincarnate.

sorry to burst everyones bubble, the reincarnation stuff is purely symbolic. you do reincarnate, energy stays but your consciousness is forever dead.

you are your consciousness no matter what LSD and DMT told you, deal with it big boy

[skarlorn]

would it matter?

consciousness absolutely does not reincarnate.

sorry to burst everyones bubble, the reincarnation stuff is purely symbolic. you do reincarnate, energy stays but your consciousness is forever dead.

you are your consciousness no matter what LSD and DMT told you, deal with it big boy

We definitely incur ego loss. But, your argument that this is the same as an obviation of consciousness is off the mark. Consciousness, if you are speaking of it in the 'survival of self' sense or ego is impacted by the experiences of former generations. Transgenerational imprints my friend. From a biological perspective, our peak experiences (and more importantly, the meaning we forge in the context of our own life) turn on and off epigenetic markers. Epigenetic markers tell your system what parts of the DNA it should be using.

This can cause states of general anxiety, malourishment, and willingness to take risks for long term rewards. There are other things. I researched it deeply last year so I have forgotten many specifics.

I know this is all exacting but it is proof that our lives have an impact on the lives of the future.

Another time I'd be happy to consider the possibility of mass consciousness with you. There are ways (more obvious than you'd think) to elevate yourself into a mass conscious awareness.

[skarlorn]

Interesting take with the young soul theory, but I believe all energy that will ever be has already been created. The only way for this to happen is if energy in one form is somewhere being converted into spiritual energy.


Please understand Brother Angushjalmur that spirits come from the infinite spirit skies and are simply bound to our bodies like confused children at boarding school. There is only an ebb and flow of the spiritual energy into the material round, not a creation/destruction.

[Dothgar]

skarlorn u trollin? consciousness it brain-deep. the only way that the energy is transferred is when plants use ur body parts as soil. when u stop feeding the engine that is your brain with bodily needs, it ends

[Aesop]

Who are your people btw? I know of a few cultures who believe that traits of recently dead relatives are passed on to children born shortly after their physical death.

Yupik, we're coastal Eskimos in my family. We all get names when you are born, after someone who passed on before you. Like I got my great grandma's name, who she got from one before her so and so forth as long as we've had that naming convention -- who knows we might even have brought it here with us to Alaska.

I'll add more to this when I get home since it looks like people are having a serious discussion here.

[skarlorn]

skarlorn u trollin? consciousness it brain-deep. the only way that the energy is transferred is when plants use ur body parts as soil. when u stop feeding the engine that is your brain with bodily needs, it ends


Again, seems like you have a different understanding of consciousness than me. :p

[AzzarTheGod]

We definitely incur ego loss. But, your argument that this is the same as an obviation of consciousness is off the mark. Consciousness, if you are speaking of it in the 'survival of self' sense or ego is impacted by the experiences of former generations. Transgenerational imprints my friend. From a biological perspective, our peak experiences (and more importantly, the meaning we forge in the context of our own life) turn on and off epigenetic markers. Epigenetic markers tell your system what parts of the DNA it should be using.

This can cause states of general anxiety, malourishment, and willingness to take risks for long term rewards. There are other things. I researched it deeply last year so I have forgotten many specifics.

I know this is all exacting but it is proof that our lives have an impact on the lives of the future.

Another time I'd be happy to consider the possibility of mass consciousness with you. There are ways (more obvious than you'd think) to elevate yourself into a mass conscious awareness.

*sniff sniff* smells like DMT bullshit.

I think abstract concepts and variations of consciousness don't change the fact that you are your brain. obviously this is difficult for some people to swallow so they make up transcendental states of being and theories of mass consciousness networks via DMT and bro-science theories on ego loss with joe rogan.

yeah red pill/blue pill. seems ur stayin the matricks eating steak

[skarlorn]

never done DMT, never will.

There are spiritual practices that you can do. I won't argue for them. Peace be with you brother :o

[AzzarTheGod]

Nope, never done DMT, never will. I guess we are on different pages (ur a man trapped in opiate addiction after all) and so I bid you a swift and desolate voyage into the starry skies of Death dear friend.

tbh I didn't even read your post sorry for any confusion.

will read later during a star aligning mood-shift and suddenly we will connect again as colleagues

[skarlorn]

i edited my post cause i felt bad about it ttyl

[AzzarTheGod]

never done DMT, never will.

There are spiritual practices that you can do. I won't argue for them. Peace be with you brother :o

BUSTED BEFORE EDIT GOT EM.


also, my post wasn't targeted at transcendental meditation or any of that.

the belief that your mind is able to survive death is something i just cant get on board with right now.

you seem to believe it survives in the conscious web and exists without ego, and seem to be insinuating that when you die you lose only the ego. and there seems to be no real basis for these claims aside from DMT scholars propagating the visions of death and near-death experiences they had.

[AzzarTheGod]

and yea i don't think its something to argue about either.

its like arguing over religion, it makes no sense to argue the merits of religion. this is the exact same thing to me.

i do believe in spirituality and spiritual enlightenment, and also meditation (despite having 5 skill in it)

if the human experience ends, to me, it doesn't matter to A LOT of people. u seem to AGREE that the human experience comes 2 an end.

[AzzarTheGod]

And I'd say it depends on your definition of reincarnation.

if there is no reincarnation of the human experience, that's probably most peoples definition of death and we can settle on that.

[AzzarTheGod]

queue DEATH IS ONLY THE BEGINNING posts

[Daywolf]

my thoughts on reincarnation?

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It's black cube junk.

[Angushjalmur]

would it matter?

consciousness absolutely does not reincarnate.

sorry to burst everyones bubble, the reincarnation stuff is purely symbolic. you do reincarnate, energy stays but your consciousness is forever dead.

you are your consciousness no matter what LSD and DMT told you, deal with it big boy

I don't do drugs like that, home slice

I think babies might retain past consciousness but as we age and attune with this world, we lose our connection to the past life

[Angushjalmur]

my thoughts on reincarnation?

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http://i.imgur.com/6vTl8EY.jpg

It's black cube junk.

Cult of Saturn

Educate thyself, goy. That's getting deep into the rabbit hole though. Put on your tinfoil first

[AzzarTheGod]

I bodied this thread anyway dude, that's a wrap. DMT was sent scampering into the 4 winds

shut it down, its meant to be controversial.

u got 12 hours tops before I report it for overly religious themes. poppa sirks gonna fix this

[Angushjalmur]

It must be depressing thinking you need drugs to ponder things that aren't right in front of you.

I was trying to initiate an interesting conversation, not be controversial. You flirting with skarlorn did that bb

[AzzarTheGod]

11 hours 56 minutes left

hope u can get some good discussion in between then n now

this thread is OVER

[Angushjalmur]

reported for trolling in off topic

my good chum

[AzzarTheGod]

Don't make a thread questioning people's religious beliefs?

[maskedmelon]

so gave this a little more thought and think it would be nifty if reincarnation operated in a non-linear fashion. See, I've long alconsidered the universe be something of an extensive database full of frames of reality. That is, for every possible outcome at every moment in time, there exists a frame.

What we experience as time is the passage of our conciousness passing from one frame to the next with our path determined by a combination of our consciousness, everyone else's and the universal randomness coefficient for all real systems.

It would be interesting if upon death our soul/essence/consciousness/whatever could pass not only to people yet to be born, but backwards in time to those who have already existed since in a frame from what we perceive as the past is really no different from one we perceive as the future ^^

[Aesop]

rest of the replies made me not want to share with plebs but

ain't no reincarnation in that sense. souls don't get recycled.

[AzzarTheGod]

rest of the replies made me not want to share with plebs but

ain't no reincarnation in that sense. souls don't get recycled.

My n))ga *taps fists*

[Aesop]

My n))ga *taps fists*

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Not only did I lose faith that this convo would be productive I don't wanna spend 3 hours typing it up because I have to explain stuff, a lot of it unconventional views but I guess I'll say this, I come from a Christian tradition -- but I don't think the bible is the literal word of God. If it is, I'd like to know which version. I use the NRSV, but I also keep a KJV because it was the one I was raised with.

The reason I don't think it's the literal word is because we have free will, not unlimited free will (we are restricted by physics, our bodies, the time we're born into etc.) but free will very similar to the free will you have in EverQuest. You can do whatever you want, but only within certain bounds. With that free will comes the ability to interpret and write whatever the fuck you want WRT to God.

[skarlorn]

this thread rly went to shit

[AzzarTheGod]

this thread rly went to shit

Wanna b pals again later?

[Angushjalmur]

souls don't get recycled.

What makes you think that?

[skarlorn]

Of coursei do azzar I'm not made of stone

[AzzarTheGod]

pipedream

drugs thread to stir controversy

[Angushjalmur]

drugs thread to stir controversy

Just because it's outside of your painfully finite comprehension doesnt mean it's a controversial thread.

If you weren't a bible thumper i'd say you sound like a liberal given how closed minded and easily offended you are

[AzzarTheGod]

so just drugs thread then

got it

[Angushjalmur]

lol try harder

[AzzarTheGod]

all the ideas posted in this thread are based on drugs.

It's cool you think transcendentalism wasn't concocted by drugs and then watered down for the masses in Asia.

U n ur buddy skarlorn are the product of that watering down.

Crazy ideas minus the drugs excuse. Yeah I've never seen this 1 before

[Angushjalmur]

all the ideas posted in this thread are based on drugs.

It's cool you think transcendentalism wasn't concocted by drugs and then watered down for the masses in Asia.

U n ur buddy skarlorn are the product of that watering down.

Crazy ideas minus the drugs excuse. Yeah I've never seen this 1 before

The fact that you think extraphysical thought is derived solely from drugs just proves my point about you.

But Azzar, i think we got off on the wrong foot in this thread. let me extend an olive branch and invite you to join this hypotherical train of thought. I don;t necessarily believe what i'm suggesting, it's simply an enjoyable mental exercise imo. When I die, i'm going to neflheim or valhalla, depending on the circumstances of my demise. What i DO believe, is that one's afterlife depends solely on how that individual's consciousness interprets the idea of the afterlife.

So. Hypothetically, what do you think happens when the physical body dies, Azzar?

Addendum: I do however believe reincarnation is possible on some level. Say a warrior dies and goes to valhalla. Why would Odin retire a perfectly good blade? (that's a metaphor) If a warrior was needed at a certain place in time after their original death, would it be unreasonable for the gods to put that soul back into play?

[AzzarTheGod]

odin is fake tho, faker than jesus even, so your question is rly dumb




The fact that you think extraphysical thought is derived solely from drugs just proves my point about you.

But Azzar, i think we got off on the wrong foot in this thread. let me extend an olive branch and invite you to join this hypotherical train of thought. I don;t necessarily believe what i'm suggesting, it's simply an enjoyable mental exercise imo. When I die, i'm going to neflheim or valhalla, depending on the circumstances of my demise. What i DO believe, is that one's afterlife depends solely on how that individual's consciousness interprets the idea of the afterlife.

So. Hypothetically, what do you think happens when the physical body dies, Azzar?

Addendum: I do however believe reincarnation is possible on some level. Say a warrior dies and goes to valhalla. Why would Odin retire a perfectly good blade? (that's a metaphor) If a warrior was needed at a certain place in time after their original death, would it be unreasonable for the gods to put that soul back into play?


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[Daywolf]

i'm saving up about 10 thousand dollars right now so that my best friend & i can have an anime made about us. after this we are going to kill ourselves so we can live in the anime world together, eternally. there is no need for reincarnation because we will be immortal in the superior 2d world desu.
meh more black cube stuff. You see that vid of the peeps falling through nothingness into their own perceived reality, circle-dot saturn cult, the CERN promo vid (https://youtu.be/29t-p0YIhCc) and their dance to total destruction for Shiva? Yup. Sort of like OT lately :/

But, there can be only one! (https://youtu.be/_J3VeogFUOs)

[Izmael]

What are your thoughts on reincarnation?

First of all, I do certainly hope reincarnation is a thing. Just disappearing into nothing doesn't look fun as a prospect.

Your idea of having a finite number of souls is closely related to what I suppose. When I mean "soul", I don't mean it in a religious way. A soul is basically what makes me, me, or you, you.

For some particular reason, you see the world through your body's eyes, not through mine. I see the world through my eyes and not through anyone else's in the world eyes. When I die, I want to believe that my soul will completely forget what happened in this particular body, and will inhabit another body from birth to death, and my soul will see the world through that body's eyes (and maybe ask itself the same questions, who knows).


I think there may or may not be a finite number of souls. Maybe souls are created or even destroyed with some regularity.

I wonder, if I am reincarnated in someone - what it will be. I certainly hope it will be someone as nice and brilliant (and modest) as me right now, but what if I have to deal with being some kind of reject?

Here's another theory - maybe what makes you, you, is not the body you are reincarnated into - but your soul. You will always be, no matter what you are reincarnated into this time, something close to yourself right now. This is a bit far fetched but certainly appeals to me to some extent.

[Lulz|Sect]

That would explain my recurring Déjà vu OP.

[skarlorn]

Souls go to the Halls of Mandos where they will wait until the Dagor Dragolach, when at last all the forces of the world converge in battle and Melkor destroyed forever

[Izmael]

Souls go to the Halls of Mandos where they will wait until the Dagor Dragolach, when at last all the forces of the world converge in battle and Melkor destroyed forever

To all the usual thread shitters - unless you have something funny, insightful or generally interesting to say - please do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up.

[skarlorn]

That's a pretty inflammatory reaction to Tolkien mythology.

[Izmael]

Just tired of the same bunch of idiots derailing every single thread on p99 thinking they are hilarious. They mostly share a few characteristics - red player, struggling with written English, endless commitment to increasing their post count, regardless of the actual content of their posts.

This has to stop at some point, most players on P99 are adults in 2016, and the Xaanka-style 4chan bullshit hasn't been funny to anyone in the last 10 years.

[skarlorn]

How did my post have anything to do with what you're talking about. Really don't appreciate your abusive attitude. Keep it in RNF.

[Lulz|Sect]

What I'm really tired of is this guys retarded nose wheelbarrow avatar
From like 10 forum lives ago too!

[Darkatar]

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[Daywolf]

Just tired of the same bunch of idiots derailing every single thread on p99 thinking they are hilarious.You mean you are? You didn't even make the thread, but everyone is spoiling all the fun for you? :rolleyes:

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[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/BG7xEd3.jpg

*daps fist*

[skarlorn]

You mean you are? You didn't even make the thread, but everyone is spoiling all the fun for you? :rolleyes:

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Dank meme there bud en serio gue

[maskedmelon]

To all the usual thread shitters - unless you have something funny, insightful or generally interesting to say - please do everyone a favor and shut the fuck up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds

[Ahldagor]

You mean you are? You didn't even make the thread, but everyone is spoiling all the fun for you?

You realize that you're one of the shit-posters they're referring to.

[Cecily]

Reincarnation is just one of many ideas we've conjured up to ease the pain of our invietable non-existence. The thought of death is terrifying. Wouldn't it be nice if we lived forever in heaven or had a new life as someone else? It just strikes me as complete bullshit.

[Daywolf]

You realize that you're one of the shit-posters they're referring to.
So you're shitposting on my shitposting of his shitposting about shiptopsting in a shitposters thread? Well shit! we might just need to post up a whole shitload of snowfalke awards!

[Ahldagor]

So you're shitposting on my shitposting of his shitposting about shiptopsting in a shitposters thread? Well shit! we might just need to post up a whole shitload of snowfalke awards!

Your melodrama is cute sometimes.

[AzzarTheGod]

So you're shitposting on my shitposting of his shitposting about shiptopsting in a shitposters thread? Well shit! we might just need to post up a whole shitload of snowfalke awards!

*daps fist* daywolf is heating up

[Lulz|Sect]

http://i.imgur.com/y7bLGP8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UkaEeGS.jpg

[Angushjalmur]

Reincarnation is just one of many ideas we've conjured up to ease the pain of our invietable non-existence. The thought of death is terrifying. Wouldn't it be nice if we lived forever in heaven or had a new life as someone else? It just strikes me as complete bullshit.

That's a common rationalization of the afterlife and reincarnation, but in order to confidently assert that, one must have either experienced death (disproving the rationalization) or admit that their belief is just as faith based as any other belief

[AzzarTheGod]

weak troll, even for you

Not to mention I checked em on that exact point he's making now several pages ago.

Circular trolling for goldfish posters makes sense I guess

[AzzarTheGod]

well i mean its kind of a lot for a retarded death pact gimmick thing

all depends on the size of the schnoze my friend.

1 dollar is a lot of money to me.

[Ahldagor]

all depends on the size of the schnoze my friend.

1 dollar is a lot of money to me.

Need one to get to a billion.

[Daywolf]

That's a common rationalization of the afterlife and reincarnation, but in order to confidently assert that, one must have either experienced death (disproving the rationalization) or admit that their belief is just as faith based as any other belief
Personally I'd go with Animal, but what's the dif? they are all Propaganda Broadcasting System puppets hehe like a stealthy version of the Voice of America which is the official propaganda broadcast that used to even be illegal to broadcast in the US until they lifted the anti-propaganda laws. but anyhoot... :D

It's not so common, I mean the amount of people in the world that believe that and then rationalize it that way. But of those that do believe that, yeah they seem to rationalize it that way. And sure, it's a faith based system same as any other, a belief in the unseen mostly. I guess the belief in utter chaos, which in itself is profoundly miraculous and takes a substantial amount of faith to believe. I lack such faith hehe. But as it stands, some 90% of the worlds population believes in some form of afterlife. They say ~85% now, but likely a good bulk of the ~15% just don't really contemplate it. There are true believers though, annihilationists or what have you, they have always been around through history.

Yep, I require some level of proof. Especially considering the complexity of existence, it sort of debunks chaos on many levels, which is a lot to get into and beyond the scope of this thread. But we believe in an afterlife because we imo are 100% spiritual beings by nature, while we are also connected to a physical body (as it is) so to interact in this realm. It's our place to become aware, to mature, to make choices, then to move on (imo out there is way better than here). Some people fear that, others don't, actually. All I really fear is pain, the obvious response of the physical body. But then that too I fear less having had gone through prolonged physical pain at one time, very severe. But yeah anyway, life, existence, reality, all just too complex for me to put faith into chaos of any sort. I'm just too weak to do that :)

But there is a lot to faith, and they are not all the same. Blind faith is pretty common. Those things that are built on the experiences of others, or of no one. Little faith is also common, often times a part of blind faith, but less fervent most of the time; because little faith can have many doubts, but blind faith can be very fervent for some. But then there is first-hand experiential faith, less common but does exist. Some of it from deceiving entities though imo, while others imo genuine (https://youtu.be/H2OsuoKqStg).

But there is more to it than personal experience too, quite a bit more actually, just like in a court of law and all the articles of evidence required to form a judgement. Those thing's I see, but that's my experience, and you can only find it for yourself. No one else can do it for you, it's not like a hand-me-down garment or something.

As for reincarnation, my main problem is the lack of evidence. Sure there is a lot in the form of past life regression accounts, but all that there by any sort of evidence is based solely on that alone, often from dreams or hypnotism or just plain philosophy. In a court of law that wouldn't fly. And you recognize the other problems, such as the amount of souls available. A lot of different problems arise really, and in the ancient beliefs it seems more a punishment, constantly doing it over to get it right. I see no 'right' in this world, looks more like an eternal punishment, at least until the universe quits functioning, which it will as it may not be from chaos but it's certainly falling into decay and death.

Keep searching, it's there. I know this. The sad part is that as it's right there and we keep denying it, burdened down, it becomes even harder to notice. I'd suggest searching my title quote, has always been one of my favorites. The only thing that I ever have doubts about is just me, I provide my own chaos. *lifts leg to thread then darts off chasing a car bumper*

[Izmael]

Is there any evidence that afterlife does not exist though?

[Dothgar]

Is there any evidence that afterlife does not exist though?

why would science (which is the explanation for everything that ever existed) not apply to religion? because some people with a book said so? its just irrational to think that there is magic such as this exists. it has no science to back it up

[Cecily]

why would science (which is the explanation for everything that ever existed) not apply to religion? because some people with a book said so? its just irrational to think that there is magic such as this exists. it has no science to back it up

You're putting quite a bit of faith in science there friend. Why do you believe the things that science teaches you? Because some scientists with a book said so? Religions have explanations for everything that ever existed too. We've never seen evidence of aliens, but almost any rational scientific mind would allow the possibility of their existence. Know what else that exact same logic applies to? God man...

http://i.imgur.com/sg017lt.gif

[maskedmelon]

It's silly to assert any sort of truth.




















Yes, I am silly ^^

[maskedmelon]

knowledge is merely opinion!

QFE ^^

[Cecily]

Yeah, that's from back when I decided maybe playing on your server wasn't a bad idea.

[Cecily]

Feel better?

[Daywolf]

It's silly to assert any sort of truth.
You do realize that's like a double negative statement? It cancels itself out :D
You could slip into a whole paradox event there, bending time and space in on itself.
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Yeah, academia "science" is lost in a fog, truth goes to the highest bidder. Just like it seems cold fusion has been proven, but buried for sake of oil wealth. There is truth, but then there is opposition.

[skarlorn]

So everyone agrees with me?

[Ahldagor]

You do realize that's like a double negative statement? It cancels itself out :D
You could slip into a whole paradox event there, bending time and space in on itself.
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Yeah, academia "science" is lost in a fog, truth goes to the highest bidder. Just like it seems cold fusion has been proven, but buried for sake of oil wealth. There is truth, but then there is opposition.

Yeah, there's no provable truth concerning reincarnation. Just a subjective opinion/s which isn't or aren't valid without evidence. But it all boils down to subjectively based trust, right. Faith in something. So who holds the cards? Who cares? I don't, the dead have had their say.

[Red_Messiah]

I'm sure this isn't the first reincarnation thread we've had on this forum.....

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[AzzarTheGod]

So everyone agrees with me?

*daps fist*

[maskedmelon]

You do realize that's like a double negative statement? It cancels itself out :D

That was the implication of the other part of the quote that you left out

Yes, I am silly ^^

I said I am silly because i had just asserted tha asserting truths is silly ^.~

It not a double negative though in the sense of asserting there are no truths or something like that. I just asserted it was foolish and substantiated my assertion by admitting I am foolish ^^

[Dothgar]

You're putting quite a bit of faith in science there friend. Why do you believe the things that science teaches you? Because some scientists with a book said so? Religions have explanations for everything that ever existed too. We've never seen evidence of aliens, but almost any rational scientific mind would allow the possibility of their existence. Know what else that exact same logic applies to? God man...

http://i.imgur.com/sg017lt.gif

LOL its because science is observational. w/ religion you're going off of old liars 2000 yrs ago. can u even make it through a game of telephone w/ 20 people and get the message through to the otherside in 1 piece?? with science has constants which you can actually test and make measurements on.. religion is just like believing a guy can ride on a sleigh with flying reindeer and deliver all of the presents to good girls and boys across the world in 1 night.

[Cecily]

And you personally test all the claims made by science? Or would you say you just take their word for it? Perhaps one would even say you place your faith in science. You do sound quite a bit like a religious person! Science is just another god in humankind's endless pantheon.

[Cecily]

I'm just having a conversation with no ulterior motives whatsoever...

[rubberdoor]

Biological reincarnation, perhaps.

I think hallucinogens had a larger impact on human consciousness and evolution than some choose to believe. I anticipate that the advent of animal husbandry around 9000 B.C. brought our ancestors attention to the strange organisms protruding from the animal dung. Shamanism and ancient-Brahmanism followed soon after. I would imagine this first occurred in what is now modern Nepal.

[Ahldagor]

Biological reincarnation, perhaps.

I think hallucinogens had a larger impact on human consciousness and evolution than some choose to believe. I anticipate that the advent of animal husbandry around 9000 B.C. brought our ancestors attention to the strange organisms protruding from the animal dung. Shamanism and ancient-Brahmanism followed soon after. I would imagine this first occurred in what is now modern Nepal.

Proly before. Random growings in the forests. Some ergot on wild wheat.

[renordw]

I have a theory that reincarnation is a legit thing, though not necessarily in the same way it's traditionally viewed.

See, energy cannot be created or destroyed, but the amount of energy in the universe IS finite. This holds true for all energy, including souls. I believe that most people today are essentially NPCs, because the number of people greatly outweighs the number of souls available. While some people are born with souls, most are not simply because there aren't enough to go around. This explains a lot. From the grossly successful people who have risen the ranks by any degenerate means necessary (they have the compulsion for success but not the soul to act as a governor of their actions) to the fat girls who dress like they weigh 115 and think they're sexy. These people lack souls and are thus lacking self awareness. Hollow if you will.

Ancient civilizations were somehow able to figure out the gist of things like the big bang, quite possibly because early on some souls were reincarnated retaining knowledge of past lives. Following this logic, it's entirely possible for whomever was responsible for the georgia guide stones to have some sort of insider knowledge of how many souls there are available. Perhaps 500,000,000 is in the neighborhood of how many souls are available.

Every culture has had some belief regarding reincarnation, or at least the soul living on after the physical body dies. The viking soul went to one of several ethereal planes depending on how the soul lived (and died) in the physical world. Native americans believed the soul returned to nature with the body. Buddhists believe the soul takes up another body upon death to come back and learn another lesson. It's important to not deny or ignore that which cannot be quantified by trendy current science, and to remember that not all ancient knowledge is the result of drug use or primitive rationalization. Our ancestors knew some stuff that they had no right knowing by today's standards. What are your thoughts on reincarnation?

Energy can't be created or destroyed, but it doesn't really work like how you're saying. The earth loses a lot of energy through convection/radiation to space, and we get radiant energy from the sun. All energy on earth can trace its source back to the sun. The energy that you are using to survive now can trace its origin to the plant that used the sun to make glucose (or other organic molecules). But you are also radiating energy constantly.

What I am saying is that it's not the fact that you have energy that makes you a person, hell a car battery has fucktons more energy than you do.

I think we are basically no more than complicated machines, and trying to understand the sheer complexity of our brains is not really possible, using that same brain. There are 100 trillion synapses (connections between neurons) in the brain, and it's these complexity of these electrical impulses and not the magnitude of electricity that make us subjectively feel human.

As for your question of reincarnation, I think it's just fanciful. But our genes are immortal.

[maskedmelon]

...hell a car battery has fucktons more energy than you do.

o rly?

[skarlorn]

Biological reincarnation, perhaps.

I think hallucinogens had a larger impact on human consciousness and evolution than some choose to believe. I anticipate that the advent of animal husbandry around 9000 B.C. brought our ancestors attention to the strange organisms protruding from the animal dung. Shamanism and ancient-Brahmanism followed soon after. I would imagine this first occurred in what is now modern Nepal.

Shamanism has been prevalent in a variety of places. Russia. North America. South America. Africa. Scandinavia.

Nepal definitely didn't get the first psycilocybin mushrooms though lol. And they didn't make Buddhism, or Brahmanism. Brahma is a Hindu God. Hinduism originated in India. Buddhism is an off-shoot of Hinduism, as Budda was the reincarnation of Krishna. After being a successful warmongering civilization, the Tibetan Warlords hung up their swords and took up the pen. They developed Tibetan Buddhism, which the Dalai Lama is the leader of.

[Daywolf]

What I am saying is that it's not the fact that you have energy that makes you a person, hell a car battery has fucktons more energy than you do.I wouldn't try to get him upset and cause any chain reactions, he has like over 10 billion billion hydrogen atoms in him, each one with enough energy locked inside to power a 60 watt light bulb for a fraction of a second. He's like a walking death star. If you only knew the power of the darkside!

That many hydrogen atoms and he's not even really solid! some 7 billion billion billion atoms in all and far-faaar from densely packed so that you should be able to pass your hand right through him. Synapses of the brain? There are bigger mysteries. Life is impossible.

[rubberdoor]

Shamanism has been prevalent in a variety of places. Russia. North America. South America. Africa. Scandinavia.

Nepal definitely didn't get the first psycilocybin mushrooms though lol. And they didn't make Buddhism, or Brahmanism. Brahma is a Hindu God. Hinduism originated in India. Buddhism is an off-shoot of Hinduism, as Budda was the reincarnation of Krishna. After being a successful warmongering civilization, the Tibetan Warlords hung up their swords and took up the pen. They developed Tibetan Buddhism, which the Dalai Lama is the leader of.

I don't know about all of that. Can you list your sources? I'm aware of shamanism's historical prevalence in other geological locations, the latter seems pseudointellectual though. Nepal was just a rough geological reference to the area in which I believe this particular instance occurred. Perhaps I should have said modern-day Northeast India? The Himalayan region?

This was way before Buddhism, Hinduism, and modern Brahmanism. I stated ancient Brahmanism specifically. This Neolithic culture's ideology likely evolved into Hinduism.

Perhaps these people chose to worship the beast who's defecation produced these fruits of peculiarity.

[entruil]

My grandma used to say that when you see a butterfly it's the soul of a loved one who passed on visiting you. Now, I don't believe that, but I think of her whenever I see a butterfly. /shrug

[Ahldagor]

o rly?

Yup. Matrix is real.

[rubberdoor]

I also think that Vedic hymns, or mantras, have roots in psilocybin as well. I can't seem to find anything online, but I remember reading in Terence McKenna's book "True Hallucinations", that by making certain vocal inflections after consuming these mushrooms, one could induce a higher state of consciousness or even communicate with other beings. In simple terms, your vocal inflections and chanting could increase the intensity of the trip. His brother Dennis explains this in neurological terms. For me to explain it myself would be idiocy due to my lack of understanding.

[skarlorn]

I don't know about all of that. Can you list your sources? I'm aware of shamanism's historical prevalence in other geological locations, the latter seems pseudointellectual though. Nepal was just a rough geological reference to the area in which I believe this particular instance occurred. Perhaps I should have said modern-day Northeast India? The Himalayan region?

This was way before Buddhism, Hinduism, and modern Brahmanism. I stated ancient Brahmanism specifically.

Perhaps these people chose to worship the beast who's defecation produced these fruit's of peculiarity.

I don't know about all of that. Can you list your sources?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol

The Tibetan history was laid out by a historian in an Introduction to a widely used English version of that book, The Tibetan Book of the Dead. That's about as confirmed as it gets.

I'm aware of shamanism's historical prevalence in other geological locations, the latter seems pseudointellectual though. Nepal was just a rough geological reference to the area in which I believe this particular instance occurred. Perhaps I should have said modern-day Northeast India? The Himalayan region?

So you want to generalize Tibet, Nepal, and Northeast India as one and the same culturally, espouse that the non-existent cohesive culture who lived in this "rough geographical area" were the first people to eat pscilocybin mushrooms and call my point about shamanism pseudo intellectual? Before China conquered Tibet, the people of the Tibetan plateaus shared very little in common other than some common peasant food and love of the Dalai Lama.

We have documentation and evidence of various cultures performing shamanic rituals while using pyschoactive plants like pscilocybin mushrooms, amanita cap mushrooms, peyote (mescaline cacti), and Iowaska root.

Vedic scriptures definitely preach against intoxication, even against the use of marijuana as the inhalation of smoke brings you close to death.



This was way before Buddhism, Hinduism, and modern Brahmanism. I stated ancient Brahmanism specifically.

Perhaps these people chose to worship the beast who's defecation produced these fruit's of peculiarity.

I just don't get how you can get off on saying Brahmanism developed out of Tibet. Or Nepal. Or Northeast India. The Indians created Brahmanism. I'm upset because you're saying that these cultures are the same thing, which they are not.

Please consider reading this before continuing. It's a fair summary of what I learned by reading ancient literature, which is accessible to everyone.

http://www.lhasa-apso.org/articles/general/tibetanhistory.html

Here is an excerpt which proves your theory and conjectures wrong

"In the early seventh century, an emperor named Songzen Gambo reached the militaristic empire's natural limits. Unity among warlords is always tenuous, and the high *altitude Tibetans had no interest in further expansion outward into the lowlands. He began transforming the civilization from feudal militarism to something more peaceful and spiritual, based on the people's cultivated moral outlook. In working on this transformation, Songzen Gambo investigated the major civilizations of outer (from his perspective) Asia, and noted that Universalist (Mahayana) Buddhism provided the cultural backbone of the dynasties of India, the silk route city states of central Asia, and the Tang dynasty of China. So he began a systematic process of cultural adaptation."

[rubberdoor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol

The Tibetan history was laid out by a historian in an Introduction to a widely used English version of that book, The Tibetan Book of the Dead. That's about as confirmed as it gets.



So you want to generalize Tibet, Nepal, and Northeast India as one and the same culturally, espouse that the non-existent cohesive culture who lived in this "rough geographical area" were the first people to eat pscilocybin mushrooms and call my point about shamanism pseudo intellectual? Before China conquered Tibet, the people of the Tibetan plateaus shared very little in common other than some common peasant food and love of the Dalai Lama.

We have documentation and evidence of various cultures performing shamanic rituals while using pyschoactive plants like pscilocybin mushrooms, amanita cap mushrooms, peyote (mescaline cacti), and Iowaska root.

Vedic scriptures definitely preach against intoxication, even against the use of marijuana as the inhalation of smoke brings you close to death.



I just don't get how you can get off on saying Brahmanism developed out of Tibet. Or Nepal. Or Northeast India. The Indians created Brahmanism. I'm upset because you're saying that these cultures are the same thing, which they are not.

Please consider reading this before continuing. It's a fair summary of what I learned by reading ancient literature, which is accessible to everyone.

http://www.lhasa-apso.org/articles/general/tibetanhistory.html

Here is an excerpt which proves your theory and conjectures wrong

"In the early seventh century, an emperor named Songzen Gambo reached the militaristic empire's natural limits. Unity among warlords is always tenuous, and the high *altitude Tibetans had no interest in further expansion outward into the lowlands. He began transforming the civilization from feudal militarism to something more peaceful and spiritual, based on the people's cultivated moral outlook. In working on this transformation, Songzen Gambo investigated the major civilizations of outer (from his perspective) Asia, and noted that Universalist (Mahayana) Buddhism provided the cultural backbone of the dynasties of India, the silk route city states of central Asia, and the Tang dynasty of China. So he began a systematic process of cultural adaptation."

Everything I previously stated occurred, in theory, during 9th Millennium B.C. I don't see the point you are trying to make. The facts you are stating are mostly true, and occur approximately 7000 years after the period of which I am speaking. Seventh century, meaning 700 B.C.? Perhaps you misunderstood what time period I was referring to when I said 9000 B.C. People were mostly nomadic herders in this region, so for all we know they could have migrated 800 miles over a few generations with their herds of cattle, bringing their ideologies with them.

Also:

1. ayahuasca is a brew made from banisteriopsis caapi vine and the leaves of various plants containing diemethyltryptamine. It's not orally active without a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

2. Peyote is not the only mescaline containing cacti.

You do realize that humanity did not start recording history until approximately 4th Millennium B.C. right?

Take it with a grain of salt good sir, it's all theory. This is pre-recorded history I am talking about. 11,000 years ago.

I digress.

[Ahldagor]

Proly before. Random growings in the forests. Some ergot on wild wheat.

Humans eat stuff and wander. Some kid around 12, middle aged, proly ate some one day, started speaking about black cubes (Daywolf incorporation), or about the animals on the hunt, or the plants in the vicinity, or banking on the subconscious understanding that its small tribe was indeed small and tnat since there's a vast ignorance in their part they manifested an idea of a deity during a severe rapid thunder storm (nature's fucking cool), or aliens (enough dosaging will have you seeing aliens), and recalling their experiences they shared with their tribe sprouting spirits into the human mind. But when you're conversing with a dragon, you know shit got real.

[Angushjalmur]

LOL its because science is observational. w/ religion you're going off of old liars 2000 yrs ago. can u even make it through a game of telephone w/ 20 people and get the message through to the otherside in 1 piece?? with science has constants which you can actually test and make measurements on.. religion is just like believing a guy can ride on a sleigh with flying reindeer and deliver all of the presents to good girls and boys across the world in 1 night.

The same logic concerning the existence of aliens can be applied to gods.


Thanks, science! You proved deities exist

[renordw]

Synapses of the brain? There are bigger mysteries. Life is impossible.

The crux of the issue is that we can't understand the complexity of our brains because we are using those same brains to try to understand that complexity. So it will always seem mysterious, but it really isn't.

[renordw]

The same logic concerning the existence of aliens can be applied to gods.


Thanks, science! You proved deities exist

If you want to call creators "deities" then yes, probably. But it says nothing about the afterlife.

Another interesting read on the topic is that we are probably living in a computer simulation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation/

[Angushjalmur]

If you want to call creators "deities" then yes, probably. But it says nothing about the afterlife.

Another interesting read on the topic is that we are probably living in a computer simulation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation/

To assume that current science has quantified everything that exists is beyond faith. A true scientist would say "I don't know" or "It's possible" when asked about the afterlife.

And keep in mind that ancient civilizations were explaining the big bang thousands of years ago, and current science can only speculate on it.

[skarlorn]

You got no proof, rubber. Bad theory cause it's conjecture. You are being very pedantic.

[rubberdoor]

You got no proof, rubber. Bad theory cause it's conjecture. You are being very pedantic.

I appreciate your understanding, Skarlorn. My thoughts on the subject were simply conjectures of prerecorded history, yes. I am no ethnobotanist or anthropologist; I do not have the proper credentials to back any of what I am saying.

[renordw]

To assume that current science has quantified everything that exists is beyond faith. A true scientist would say "I don't know" or "It's possible" when asked about the afterlife.

And keep in mind that ancient civilizations were explaining the big bang thousands of years ago, and current science can only speculate on it.

If you want to call creators "deities" then yes, probably. But it says nothing about the afterlife.


Ancient civilizations did not have any kind of meaningful grasp of even the most basic concepts of science

[skarlorn]

Ok friend I'm sorry I got upset. Sometimes people here spout theory like it's 100% confirmed since some alt new source published it. It was a good conversation with lots of nice facts in the end. This morning I woke up and realized it's a fun theory too. Love you.

[Angushjalmur]

Ancient civilizations did not have any kind of meaningful grasp of even the most basic concepts of science

You're right, yet somehow they knew what the big bang was.

Now the question is this: Were those cultures privy to highly advanced knowledge (perhaps humans have been around longer than we're lead to believe and had an advanced culture before some sort of apocalyptic scenario that set us back to the stone age) or is current science based on the same primitive shamanistic explanations of creation?

[Daywolf]

The crux of the issue is that we can't understand the complexity of our brains because we are using those same brains to try to understand that complexity. So it will always seem mysterious, but it really isn't.
Shouldn't matter. You are thinking along the lines of a silicone based computer. Man has a biological computer, far superior to any silicone based supercomputer in existence today, even beyond quantum computing. The problem is not computing power or storage capacity, it's about programming. You need to program the computer to begin to understand something, to be purposed for the specific task at hand.

Any computer is just a doorstop without programming, and biological computers are no different. Even layers of programming just like a silicon based computer; this is likely how the human brain functions. From low level programming to high level programming. From hardware, to BIOS, to firmware, to OS, to applications etc. Just like you don't sit there and concentrate on breathing, or run a self-diagnostic program (that you likely have) to realize you have a pain in your back, that's all taken care of by the different levels of programming in the human brain and body.

And then the level of the soul is yet another level of programming, rides above it all as the highest level, the actual user interface. We are data, and that doesn't mean nothing because data actually exists with all of it's physical properties. Just like people joke about pixels on a screen, but that data physically exists and we simply see a representation of that data in an understandable form to us, to our higher levels of programming and I/O recognition.

In fact the whole universe is just data at the quantum level, just like the digital representation they realize is on a black hole, of everything inside of it (i.e. Black hole information paradox). Some theorize that it is not just with black holes, but that all data is also written on the boundary of our universe, of everything inside.

They are still trying to figure it out,Hawking with his latest revelation this year, but then they could be looking at it backwards. Maybe the data is the actual source form, and the perceived physical matter is the perception by our I/O interpretation. After all, matter seems to defy our known understanding of what matter actually is, so that space seemingly becomes filled with matter, even though there are great distances from atom to atom. It's almost like trying to cut a hologram with a scalpel, if you could you'd just find the same hologram inside, and again and again, because it's not the source data, it's not the authentic (https://youtu.be/zE7PKRjrid4).

So when trying to truly understand brain synapses, it's not a failure of our processing capacity of the brain, but that we must first understand how to look at the problem with it's many factors. At best all we can do is build simulated models based on a level of hacking what exists, to backwards engineer it in modification form (we can't even create mater only repurpose it). That's not a failure of processing power, but that of a user vs a software engineer, or specifically the one that designed the system in the first place. Heck, with what understanding of the system we have, we can't even figure out how a bumble bee flies, it defies everything we know. There is far more going on than we perceive.

[kvlt]

I believe in that shit.

[Ahldagor]

Shouldn't matter. You are thinking along the lines of a silicone based computer. Man has a biological computer, far superior to any silicone based supercomputer in existence today, even beyond quantum computing. The problem is not computing power or storage capacity, it's about programming. You need to program the computer to begin to understand something, to be purposed for the specific task at hand.

Any computer is just a doorstop without programming, and biological computers are no different. Even layers of programming just like a silicon based computer; this is likely how the human brain functions. From low level programming to high level programming. From hardware, to BIOS, to firmware, to OS, to applications etc. Just like you don't sit there and concentrate on breathing, or run a self-diagnostic program (that you likely have) to realize you have a pain in your back, that's all taken care of by the different levels of programming in the human brain and body.

And then the level of the soul is yet another level of programming, rides above it all as the highest level, the actual user interface. We are data, and that doesn't mean nothing because data actually exists with all of it's physical properties. Just like people joke about pixels on a screen, but that data physically exists and we simply see a representation of that data in an understandable form to us, to our higher levels of programming and I/O recognition.

In fact the whole universe is just data at the quantum level, just like the digital representation they realize is on a black hole, of everything inside of it (i.e. Black hole information paradox). Some theorize that it is not just with black holes, but that all data is also written on the boundary of our universe, of everything inside.

They are still trying to figure it out,Hawking with his latest revelation this year, but then they could be looking at it backwards. Maybe the data is the actual source form, and the perceived physical matter is the perception by our I/O interpretation. After all, matter seems to defy our known understanding of what matter actually is, so that space seemingly becomes filled with matter, even though there are great distances from atom to atom. It's almost like trying to cut a hologram with a scalpel, if you could you'd just find the same hologram inside, and again and again, because it's not the source data, it's not the authentic (https://youtu.be/zE7PKRjrid4).

So when trying to truly understand brain synapses, it's not a failure of our processing capacity of the brain, but that we must first understand how to look at the problem with it's many factors. At best all we can do is build simulated models based on a level of hacking what exists, to backwards engineer it in modification form (we can't even create mater only repurpose it). That's not a failure of processing power, but that of a user vs a software engineer, or specifically the one that designed the system in the first place. Heck, with what understanding of the system we have, we can't even figure out how a bumble bee flies, it defies everything we know. There is far more going on than we perceive.

Can also add that our brains filter out information not necessary for survival, usually. I forget the study, but some years back there was a study done on schizophrenics that found that many of the huallucinations were actual stimuli not perceptable to others in the room.

[AzzarTheGod]

Can also add that our brains filter out information not necessary for survival, usually. I forget the study, but some years back there was a study done on schizophrenics that found that many of the huallucinations were actual stimuli not perceptable to others in the room.

100% correct the hallucinations are stimulus from surroundings, being interpreted in its own special way by their brain.

anyone whos read any real anecdotes from livejournal, blogs, etc on a day in the life would understand, no need to even look at studies or the science. obvious when reading firsthand accounts that schizos are stimuli based.

[renordw]

Shouldn't matter. You are thinking along the lines of a silicone based computer. Man has a biological computer, far superior to any silicone based supercomputer in existence today, even beyond quantum computing. The problem is not computing power or storage capacity, it's about programming. You need to program the computer to begin to understand something, to be purposed for the specific task at hand.

Any computer is just a doorstop without programming, and biological computers are no different. Even layers of programming just like a silicon based computer; this is likely how the human brain functions. From low level programming to high level programming. From hardware, to BIOS, to firmware, to OS, to applications etc. Just like you don't sit there and concentrate on breathing, or run a self-diagnostic program (that you likely have) to realize you have a pain in your back, that's all taken care of by the different levels of programming in the human brain and body.

And then the level of the soul is yet another level of programming, rides above it all as the highest level, the actual user interface. We are data, and that doesn't mean nothing because data actually exists with all of it's physical properties. Just like people joke about pixels on a screen, but that data physically exists and we simply see a representation of that data in an understandable form to us, to our higher levels of programming and I/O recognition.

In fact the whole universe is just data at the quantum level, just like the digital representation they realize is on a black hole, of everything inside of it (i.e. Black hole information paradox). Some theorize that it is not just with black holes, but that all data is also written on the boundary of our universe, of everything inside.

They are still trying to figure it out,Hawking with his latest revelation this year, but then they could be looking at it backwards. Maybe the data is the actual source form, and the perceived physical matter is the perception by our I/O interpretation. After all, matter seems to defy our known understanding of what matter actually is, so that space seemingly becomes filled with matter, even though there are great distances from atom to atom. It's almost like trying to cut a hologram with a scalpel, if you could you'd just find the same hologram inside, and again and again, because it's not the source data, it's not the authentic (https://youtu.be/zE7PKRjrid4).

So when trying to truly understand brain synapses, it's not a failure of our processing capacity of the brain, but that we must first understand how to look at the problem with it's many factors. At best all we can do is build simulated models based on a level of hacking what exists, to backwards engineer it in modification form (we can't even create mater only repurpose it). That's not a failure of processing power, but that of a user vs a software engineer, or specifically the one that designed the system in the first place. Heck, with what understanding of the system we have, we can't even figure out how a bumble bee flies, it defies everything we know. There is far more going on than we perceive.

I'm following everything that you're saying, until you start talking about the soul. The concept of a soul is just emergent from all of the synaptic activity in the brain, and it feels special to us because we experience it subjectively. Just because we can't understand it doesn't mean that there's anything mystical to it, it means that it's complex.

What I am saying is this: I don't believe in a soul, or even free will. The processes that go into decision making and consciousness are so complex, that we don't understand them and we attribute mysticality, consciousness, or free will to what we can't explain.

[Daywolf]

I'm following everything that you're saying, until you start talking about the soul. The concept of a soul is just emergent from all of the synaptic activity in the brain, and it feels special to us because we experience it subjectively. Just because we can't understand it doesn't mean that there's anything mystical to it, it means that it's complex.

What I am saying is this: I don't believe in a soul, or even free will. The processes that go into decision making and consciousness are so complex, that we don't understand them and we attribute mysticality, consciousness, or free will to what we can't explain.

My computer can only run simulations, calculate probabilities etc. Heck, it can't even achieve true random. It has yet to have a premonition or a gut feeling. You never have them I take it...

I get 'em bad, not all the time, but they hit hard with astonishment when they do, and can't be forced. And it's not a random thing, it's really accurate. Everyone I've known has had some level of awareness to those things. That is beyond the physical level, and part of why most people in the world acknowledge the existence of the soul.

In fact, with all these possibilities about digital existence, the soul could be the only thing that is actually real in this realm and not simply temporary data. Believe what you want, but you gotta overlook a lot of things to get there. And that sounds like free will to me ;)

[Aesop]

What I am saying is this: I don't believe in a soul, or even free will. The processes that go into decision making and consciousness are so complex, that we don't understand them and we attribute mysticality, consciousness, or free will to what we can't explain.

free will certainly exists. i think i already said this, but would you say you have free will in EverQuest?

you can control your avatar, and do all kinds of stuff --

but every possible things you can do in EQ is already known, the parameters are already set. you have free will but it is constrained by the laws of the game.

in some sense it's not completely free, but under what circumstances would you consider it free? the ability to do anything? you need to be God himself before you consider it free will?

just in case you don't get the analogy, you have free will here too. everything you can possibly do is already realized in some sense. all future paths available to you based on your initial configuration are there. it's like a choose your own adventure almost.

anyways, you have a soul and free will which is what is enabling you to believe these things as you float through life like an NPC.

[renordw]

free will certainly exists. i think i already said this, but would you say you have free will in EverQuest?

you can control your avatar, and do all kinds of stuff --

but every possible things you can do in EQ is already known, the parameters are already set. you have free will but it is constrained by the laws of the game.

in some sense it's not completely free, but under what circumstances would you consider it free? the ability to do anything? you need to be God himself before you consider it free will?

just in case you don't get the analogy, you have free will here too. everything you can possibly do is already realized in some sense. all future paths available to you based on your initial configuration are there. it's like a choose your own adventure almost.

anyways, you have a soul and free will which is what is enabling you to believe these things as you float through life like an NPC.

No way. That's like saying the bowling ball has free will after you throw it down the lane. The bowling ball doesn't understand that it's bound by certain physical laws, and the same applies to us, just many more physical processes.

[Aesop]

uh no,

but you don't have free will so i know you can't help being this dense.

and i can't help being this rude to someone i should try and help understand the big scary concept.

[renordw]

uh no,

but you don't have free will so i know you can't help being this dense.

and i can't help being this rude to someone i should try and help understand the big scary concept.

Are you kidding? Theoretical physicists generally agree that free will is an illusion.

In pure quantum theory, at any rate, the physical state of the entire universe evolves as one. In pure quantum theory, everything is entangled, and entanglement is not causality, it’s connectedness. This connectedness has nothing to do with the speed of light: both you and the electron are connected with the whole rest of the universe now. What you’re doing, and what the electron is doing – in fact, what every individual thing is doing – is just what the whole universe is doing, right now.

The Conway-Kochen theorem limits the deterministic effects of your individual past, but if everything is connected, your individual past doesn’t matter. What matters is the past of the whole universe, and the past of the whole universe includes everything. So the Conway-Kochen theorem is no protection: if everything is connected, you don’t have free will after all. Nothing has free will.

[Blitzers]

Imagine John Holmes being reincarnated as Pokesan, a short dicked fat kid... now that would be depressing...

[Aesop]

i don't agree with those physicists.

the bowling ball analogy doesn't make sense. we even sort of agree, i think all possible outcomes are set.

i already said it anyhow, if your definition of free will means you can do absolutely anything then no, you don't. but that's a definition that only God could possibly fulfill -- and even then there is some likelihood that even God has some rules he has to follow as well.

i can't make my explanation any easier to understand, and i understand where you are coming from. so we'll just have to come to the conclusion that we have what the scientologists call a "disagreement of reality".

[Aesop]

i shouldn't be so mean, i apologize for treating you rudely renordw. it's this space

[mickmoranis]

if life is a game next time im putting more points into "self starter" and less into "likes fantasy"

[Daywolf]

confirmation bias does a lot to explain the psychic powers of midwestern housewives
I didn't contribute it to "psychic powers". Psychic junk believes in a progressive awakening, that generations get stronger in psychic powers and that there will be a great enlightenment age (Aquarius) where everyone will be filled with abundant psychic powers. it's all ancient black cube shit. No it's just natural of the realm of the soul or the spirit, a part of the human nature. It's not growing stronger, you can't bend it to your own will. You can ignore it though, or abuse it with drugs.

[Ahldagor]

I didn't contribute it to "psychic powers". Psychic junk believes in a progressive awakening, that generations get stronger in psychic powers and that there will be a great enlightenment age (Aquarius) where everyone will be filled with abundant psychic powers. it's all ancient black cube shit. No it's just natural of the realm of the soul or the spirit, a part of the human nature. It's not growing stronger, you can't bend it to your own will. You can ignore it though, or abuse it with drugs.

Ever been a summoner? There are rules, certainly, but most "demons" aren't bad. They like hospitality as much as the next person.

[maskedmelon]

Hmmm, what if it's all right. Like everything? Do demons and Angels have souls? If so, does that mean for instance that I could like be reincarnated as a tentacle demon for example?

[renordw]

Hmmm, what if it's all right. Like everything? Do demons and Angels have souls? If so, does that mean for instance that I could like be reincarnated as a tentacle demon for example?

What if you get reincarnated into a Sims 3 character?

[mickmoranis]

Was just thinking, re-encarnation has to be the only logical afterlife (beyond nothing)

If its heaven, think about it. Exactly how many people (and how mentaly stable are they) continue to play once they are BIS level 60

I assume heaven is bis level 60 all the time, so its gotta be either full of cucks standing there looking at a wall or standing in a tunnel looking at wtb spam

either way, cucktastic

[Ahldagor]

Hmmm, what if it's all right. Like everything? Do demons and Angels have souls? If so, does that mean for instance that I could like be reincarnated as a tentacle demon for example?

Be now the djinn whie I roam the world in your skin.

[Angushjalmur]

Hmmm, what if it's all right. Like everything? Do demons and Angels have souls? If so, does that mean for instance that I could like be reincarnated as a tentacle demon for example?

Calm down, melon, keep your weird hentai fantasies on the low low XD

[maskedmelon]

Calm down, melon, keep your weird hentai fantasies on the low low XD

Ohh, nooo no no no no, I wouldn't want to be a tentacle demon. Was more a "what if" sort of question, but the possibility would certainly compel me walk a straighter path in life so as to ensure i not return as one. I wouldn't mind having one for a pet, or a master or something, but the idea of being one myself is just gross. Huh uh, no way, no thank you.

[maskedmelon]

Another thought: soul dilution. Obviously we have an increasing population and if souls are recycled it is unreasonable to assume their population is not finite. That means eventually we would Eventually reach a point where there were no more souls for new people as someone has already pointed out. I suggest that souls manage this sort of population growth by splitting upon death. This is most likely where the concept of soulmates stems from and also accounts for things like people with similar personalities. This leads us to another exciting revelation.

There are really only a handful of unique personalities, perhaps a dozen or so. This suggests that perhaps there are only really 12 original souls by which man may know life. 12 is an incredibly important number and often represents completeness, both the Greek and Chinese zodiacs have twelve signs, a circle is easily divided into 12 parts, 12 is the product of the number of sides of the three basic geometries of reality: circle x triangle x square, and in Hebrew numerology 12 means everyone.

Obviously human population hasnt always been increasing and at certain points fell very low with some estimates as low as 10,000 individuals at certain points. If we are to assume that souls split as population increases, it is reasonable to conclude that they also combine as population decreases. This easily explains why ancient architecture rooted in times of such low populations continue to baffle even modern men. Simply put, the men who made those structures were vastly superior to those today because they were far less spiritually diluted. This is important an important point because it directly establishes mans aptitude as a function of his spiritual energy.

Presumably for we were to travel far enormous th into the past, we would encounter the source of humanity, the 12 individuals from whom we are all descended.

[Aesop]

You get an A for effort on that one. I'll give it some thought.


One is the most important number though.

It's also the loneliest number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

[Spyder73]

What if we are all fragments of the same consciousness

[Spyder73]

You get an A for effort on that one. I'll give it some thought.


One is the most important number though.

It's also the loneliest number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjyl1LvBF4

Your link reminded me of a superior link that references your link

[maskedmelon]

What if we are all fragments of the same consciousness

Yeah, I had considered this, but there was simply too much evidence to ignore the case for 12. Ya know?

[maskedmelon]

You get an A for effort on that one. I'll give it some thought.


One is the most important number though.

It's also the loneliest number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

But one is snuggled in a cocoon of irrationals, sammiched between none and double. Not really a bad place. It could be worse I mean.

[rubberdoor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

[Swish]

What if we are all fragments of the same consciousness

Very Final Fantasy

[maerilith]

All your drugs hinges on the idea that soul energy is a finite resource and poop energies cannot become soul energies.

We know that matter and energy can be transformed (nuclear physics, quantum interference...), therefore your assertion is partially wrong. There may be soulless people, however maybe in the process of living their soulless lives they collect energy and create souls, maybe souled people sometimes destroy souls, or their own soul and that energy becomes poop, like what the OP is doing by shitposting instead of doing yoga to stop the hemeroids and buttsores.

[entruil]

Bumping to pat myself on the back for this revelation. imma form a cult. You all will receive formal invitations at some point in the future.

First, it should be known that The Word is real,unchanging,and everlasting.

Second, a theory of recycling souls needs refining, recycling should be narrowly defined. In our physical realm, recycling splits apart the incorporated bits and things are built out of pieces of torn up and separated materials. Does this splitting occur during trials and tribulations? Does a soul upon leaving it's physical vessel intact earn a sort of transcendence? Without pieces of a transcendent-able soul are the recycled children of our lives doomed to repeat our history and never return to Splendorous Glory?

Third, the number 12 is pretty interesting here. Is it somehow tied to the 144,000 ? Also, Christ had 12 disciples. This would lead me to believe that all souls are redeemable by Grace through Faith and our souls are NOT split upon vessel deterioration. Something to be said here about aligning our mind body and soul with The Word to avoid potential splits.

going to stop for now...

[bigjerry]

ayo they aint no point to this we just shit eating robots that think were smart *puffs clove cigarette* then we die

[maerilith]

ayo they aint no point to this we just shit eating robots that think were smart *puffs clove cigarette* then we die

Robots.txt

[Ahldagor]

Well y'all have gotten to the Romantic era, 1780's to 1860. I'm wondering who will take the leap to post-nihilism into Modernity. I'd start a betting pool, but I'm lazy; money is on BigJ.

[bigjerry]

philosophy is gay when there's no election coming up. yall gotta get in on this political slashfic game, it's heating up and it's heating up big league. we made it past the soul searching, congratulations reason and good taste won the day, now we get a year of hedonism before elections start winding up again.

[Ahldagor]

Damn BigJ, you jumped right into hippie-vile-narcissism. Sorry, but that's just the beginning of the continuation of where we are now. I had hopes for you, especially the children from Maer that y'all would raise like good, decent, red blooded Americans.

[bigjerry]

Damn BigJ, you jumped right into hippie-vile-narcissism. Sorry, but that's just the beginning of the continuation of where we are now. I had hopes for you, especially the children from Maer that y'all would raise like good, decent, red blooded Americans.

philosophy exists for manipulating people. it's masturbatory. I'm bored of jacking it right now, in refractory period reveling in Trump.

[AzzarTheGod]

DRUGS!

my ziggy on point here. I was the first one to call drugs in the first few pages up against AngryJammer and Skarlorn. 1v2

Everything they posted here was DMT bullshit and peyote transcendental slam a dick in a door nonsense. I dunked on it and ill dunk on it again.

This thread should have been terminated.

[bigjerry]

my ziggy on point here. I was the first one to call drugs in the first few pages up against AngryJammer and Skarlorn. 1v2

Everything they posted here was DMT bullshit and peyote transcendental slam a dick in a door nonsense. I dunked on it and ill dunk on it again.

This thread should have been terminated.

yeeeeup lot of Krishna talk from my boy skarlorn. to be fair about the termination thing, it did get the ole 'ill be back' when u returned.

[entruil]

Well y'all have gotten to the Romantic era, 1780's to 1860. I'm wondering who will take the leap to post-nihilism into Modernity. I'd start a betting pool, but I'm lazy; money is on BigJ.

how does calvin fit into this... your post made me think of "Free Will a Slave"... post-nihilism probably is interpreted differently by me than you meant it as well...

Do you deepak chopra currently?

[Ahldagor]

how does calvin fit into this... your post made me think of "Free Will a Slave"... post-nihilism probably is interpreted differently by me than you meant it as well...

Do you deepak chopra currently?

Deepak can suck a dick with his hippie drivel. The TLC all the time message doesn't teach people how to adapt in states of "negative" emotion which creates stagnation in action through the cognitive dissonance that a person is going through when a "negative" emption occurs. The Germans call it Angst and you have to deal with it becaus it's part of Existence for the existant being.

Post -nihilism was used as that which came after nihilism.

Not familiar with Calvin, but sounds like a protestant-work-ethic sermon.

[Aesop]

philosophy exists for manipulating people. it's masturbatory. I'm bored of jacking it right now, in refractory period reveling in Trump.

dumb

[bigjerry]

dumb

no doi

[Aesop]

BigJ you have studied philosophy I assume? I concede it is fairly masturbatory in its modern state as an academic discipline but so is everything else. Philosophy is in a weird place, but it is important.

God, clean living, awareness, reason, self-control.

That's the good shit. The existence of God doesn't absolve you of responsibility, there is a reason he gave us free will.

:cool:

[bigjerry]

BigJ you have studied philosophy I assume? I concede it is fairly masturbatory in its modern state as an academic discipline but so is everything else. Philosophy is in a weird place, but it is important.

God, clean living, awareness, reason, self-control.

That's the good shit. The existence of God doesn't absolve you of responsibility, there is a reason he gave us free will.

:cool:

yeee boi I've studied it. I never found any practical value in anything more recent than like 1000 yrs ago but maybe I'm just thick. Still hoping someone can show me the light on that.

Big ups 2 what u describe above tho.

[maerilith]

I believe bigJ is the reincarnation of the 1st Eunuch.

I'm the reincarnation of the first planet to give life in the galaxy.

[bigjerry]

b4eq one of them guys who types with perfect punctuation cuz he thinks it makes him look smart

[bigjerry]

im educated && itnelligent i just choose not to type good cuz fuck yall

[entruil]

Deepak can suck a dick with his hippie drivel. The TLC all the time message doesn't teach people how to adapt in states of "negative" emotion which creates stagnation in action through the cognitive dissonance that a person is going through when a "negative" emption occurs. The Germans call it Angst and you have to deal with it becaus it's part of Existence for the existant being.

Post -nihilism was used as that which came after nihilism.

Not familiar with Calvin, but sounds like a protestant-work-ethic sermon.

word, sorry I can never find my books when i want them, my damn books, maybe I should learn how to connect to the internet, where are my damn books.

deepak is weird and I agree with you, was buzzed and kinda joking and it reads weird, thanks for good response...

I only mentioned the sermon because I thought it was around the years you mentioned and it was about how free will is an illusion and wondered if that coincided with something else you were referring to..

[mickmoranis]

man the afterlife is one hell of a funny thing. either way you're fucked. its hell or nothing for most ppl.

damn

[mickmoranis]

man the afterlife is one hell of a funny thing. either way you're fucked. its hell or nothing for most ppl.

damn

"but knowing that my existence is meaningless gives meaning to my existence" -liberals

and we wonder why they want to pay out reparations.

[rebeccablack]

theres no such thing as a soul

also drugs

[bigjerry]

typeing good comes so naturally that i deliberately make mistakes. like im typing with phone autocorrect right now. it takes me extra keystrokes to achieve the aesthetic i achieve. u have a middling iq and dont understand feng shui or beauty in general

[bigjerry]

you're nuts are small kid

[Ahldagor]

Does a soul have to be eternal for it to exist?

Shall we dig it to the normative question?

[Alexu]

Some people believe that many souls at some point became fragmented, and one soul can contain many people, or that many people together all share parts of one same soul.

There is also a concept known as loss of consciousness, which could be the case with some of your descriptions in the OP.

Whose to say there is a finite amount of souls? If energy is indeed finite, perhaps it can be transferred some how or way to make additional souls?




I didn't read most of the replies, but someone was discussing the importance of hallucinogens in regards to assisting mankind's development. People can have similar (or even more enhanced) experiences comparable to those when taking hallucinogens without the drugs. There are shamanic and spiritual practices which alter brainwave frequencies to levels comparable to those of one who is under the influence of hallucinogens.

Basically, you can trip without the drugs, and those who successfully delve into that realm might even have more control over the experiences. Some believe that in some cultures, shamans only used the hallucinogens to teach apprentice shamans what they are trying to achieve, and then they learn how to get there without the substance.

I guess the point to me writing some of this is to state that the experience is a part of life, and the drugs are just a means to achieve that state of experience, but they are not the only means. It was discussed as if the drugs were the experience, and that it was the drugs that were important, but really the experience is important, and the drugs are just a crutch to boost you into that realm.

I suspect that this is part of a very ancient knowledge that was either lost or withheld from most people of our era, and it accounts for the state of our civilization, which, though relatively technically advanced, lacks in other aspects, which usually leads us to speculating on the true nature(s) of life.

[AzzarTheGod]

Some people believe that many souls at some point became fragmented, and one soul can contain many people, or that many people together all share parts of one same soul.

There is also a concept known as loss of consciousness, which could be the case with some of your descriptions in the OP.

Whose to say there is a finite amount of souls? If energy is indeed finite, perhaps it can be transferred some how or way to make additional souls?




I didn't read most of the replies, but someone was discussing the importance of hallucinogens in regards to assisting mankind's development. People can have similar (or even more enhanced) experiences comparable to those when taking hallucinogens without the drugs. There are shamanic and spiritual practices which alter brainwave frequencies to levels comparable to those of one who is under the influence of hallucinogens.

Basically, you can trip without the drugs, and those who successfully delve into that realm might even have more control over the experiences. Some believe that in some cultures, shamans only used the hallucinogens to teach apprentice shamans what they are trying to achieve, and then they learn how to get there without the substance.

I guess the point to me writing some of this is to state that the experience is a part of life, and the drugs are just a means to achieve that state of experience, but they are not the only means. It was discussed as if the drugs were the experience, and that it was the drugs that were important, but really the experience is important, and the drugs are just a crutch to boost you into that realm.

I suspect that this is part of a very ancient knowledge that was either lost or withheld from most people of our era, and it accounts for the state of our civilization, which, though relatively technically advanced, lacks in other aspects, which usually leads us to speculating on the true nature(s) of life.

Drugs.