Is the fun slippping away?

[Red_Messiah]

While the forums aren't a true measure of the server's collective enjoyment, it seems like there is much less of a focus on the forums for...


Leveling advice
Light hearted in game stories
Player run events
Giveaways


...and more of an emphasis on:-


Raid lawyering
Detailed debate about the "rules" of a particular spawn
Powerleveling
Injustices against a player
MQ'ing and the consequences on people trying to do rings/epics/etc


So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99? Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show? What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again? Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

[skarlorn]

I love playing this game for 2 months of the year and posting on the forums about it.

Thx 4 checkin N

[Burrito]

Can you do a study between the amount of time spent on the forums between people who play for fun, and people who focus too hard on pixels?

[Sporkotron]

If your goal is to raid sixteen year old pixels six times a week then yeah, you're asking for a shit show.

If you're a normal person who groups a couple times a week for a few months out of the year then p99 is great fun.

[Baler]

Is it true guild leaders are still boning lower ranked members to get more pixels?

[Ikon]

Whats the goal of the server? If its to provide a classic EQ experience then this is the classic EQ experience at higher levels.

If its to provide a classic EQ experience and to provide everyone (not just top guilds) with a classic EQ experience and to have fun then they need to make some changes:

1 account per person. There are lots of slots for alts but once they're filled up you can't keep equipping alts with raid gear by adding extra accounts.

Add lazy aggro (classic), get rid of monk -> sneak -> drop all aggro (not classic). That's going to make things a lot harder like it was on live.

Add luclin raid target zones someone in game. Don't need the whole luclin just the dungeons.

Make all raid target loot bind on pickup / not MQáble.

Sure its not classic but no lazy aggro and FD-sneak is not either. And the end of the day this should be fun and the needs of the many > the few tards who want to make it all about loot.

[Lhancelot]

The question "is the fun slipping away?" is a question that has no true answer as it's 100% subjective.

You will get purely subjective opinions on how the game should be played, how long it should be played, and how you should act when you play the game by forumquesters and trolls that dwell in these parts.

You can't judge the happiness of the server by using the server forums as a measuring stick. You know this. :p

[indiscriminate_hater]

OP is right, blue is still way better than red and we should be grateful for that

[maskedmelon]

I've lots of fun when I play ^^ Not played in a while because been busy outside of Norrath, but I really do have oh so much fun, even raiding *gasp* ^^ Like all things in life it is what you make of it. Never encountered someone or something on p99 that couldn't be made fun. Though I can count one or two that were challenges ^ 。~ Seriousness is the bane of fun. As soon as you start hammering that button for xp/pixel pellets, you doing it wrong ^^

[Dreenk317]

Whats the goal of the server? If its to provide a classic EQ experience then this is the classic EQ experience at higher levels.

I completely disagree. You must have played on the same server as rogean and friends if your classic experience on live was anything like it is here. I can't believe some of the crap people pull here and then try to argue that it was "fair" or "not against the rules". Rules are great, and necessary, but there is also something to be said for just being a decent and nice person. Seemed to be a lot more decent and nice people on live back in 1999 then there are here.

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Has this ever happened on p99? Or anything like it? Because it has not, to my knowledge. And ya, there are the rogue nice people that drop fungus on lvl 6 monks and 30k pp deposits into a lowbies coffers. But I, personally, have never heard of a guild playing nice on this sort of level, on this server. I mean come on..... We can't even set up a fair, and simple mob rotation system?!? Instead we're really just gonna poopsock and argue wether or not ogre body blockers are legal in foot races? Or wether or not class A is allowed to use ability Y because the person playing class B doesn't have ability Y and there foot racing to a dragon?!? The variance between class abilities is one of the many things that makes this game wonderful. When certain abilities and spells are being lawyered out of end game content, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CLASSIC EQ. Never in my life on live did I see a gm tell a player they were not allowed to use an ability or spell they had at there disposal, UNLESS said player was intentionally glitching the game. But telling a mate they can't coth, or a Druid that they can't use spirit of cheetah or a bard that they can't pull with lull resists through walls..... never happened in my experience. (These aren't necessarily against the rules in all raid zones, but I've seen enough arguing back and forth about the use of tactics like this that it makes me sad.) And it most likely didn't happen because people would recognize there OWN behavior as being not cool, or unfair, and stop themselves. Not push it and push it and then argue that it's ok and fair once they've been found out. Or it didn't matter because it wasn't an advantage as NO ONE foot raced to mobs, ever, in my experience on live. It was always clear to the mob, kill it where it spawns. No training the whole zone and picking the boss out of the train of 90 trash mobs. Stuff like this just didn't happen on my server, ever.


But then again, I never heard of raid lawyering till I came here either. So maybe that was the norm on whatever server you and rogean were playing on. All I know is my classic end game experience from live was nothing like it is here, except the zones, the zones are pretty similar.

[Nilstoniakrath]

First off, let me say that this is hands down the best server of the bunch. Not trying to get points from the staff, just the facts. The dudes who run this deserve big props for all the sh!t they have to put up with.

As for the state of fun currently... up to mid-20's, lots of fun to be had. mid-20's to 50 or so can still be a lot of fun, but not quite as much. 51-60? Best if you put your goals off to the side, and be happy with incremental gains. Ignore the asshats, and skip raiding altogether, it is a complete waste of time, you just piss away some hours of your life, your bank account drops some plat, and probably lose a bit of xp too for nothing (unless you enjoy seeing a couple of kissups get some fat lootz, maybe, if your guild is good at lawyerquesting or gets lucky on FTE-ing that night). It is what it is.

[Evia]

I completely disagree. You must have played on the same server as rogean and friends if your classic experience on live was anything like it is here. I can't believe some of the crap people pull here and then try to argue that it was "fair" or "not against the rules". Rules are great, and necessary, but there is also something to be said for just being a decent and nice person. Seemed to be a lot more decent and nice people on live back in 1999 then there are here.

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Has this ever happened on p99? Or anything like it? Because it has not, to my knowledge. And ya, there are the rogue nice people that drop fungus on lvl 6 monks and 30k pp deposits into a lowbies coffers. But I, personally, have never heard of a guild playing nice on this sort of level, on this server. I mean come on..... We can't even set up a fair, and simple mob rotation system?!? Instead we're really just gonna poopsock and argue wether or not ogre body blockers are legal in foot races? Or wether or not class A is allowed to use ability Y because the person playing class B doesn't have ability Y and there foot racing to a dragon?!? The variance between class abilities is one of the many things that makes this game wonderful. When certain abilities and spells are being lawyered out of end game content, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CLASSIC EQ. Never in my life on live did I see a gm tell a player they were not allowed to use an ability or spell they had at there disposal, UNLESS said player was intentionally glitching the game. But telling a mate they can't coth, or a Druid that they can't use spirit of cheetah or a bard that they can't pull with lull resists through walls..... never happened in my experience. (These aren't necessarily against the rules in all raid zones, but I've seen enough arguing back and forth about the use of tactics like this that it makes me sad.) And it most likely didn't happen because people would recognize there OWN behavior as being not cool, or unfair, and stop themselves. Not push it and push it and then argue that it's ok and fair once they've been found out. Or it didn't matter because it wasn't an advantage as NO ONE foot raced to mobs, ever, in my experience on live. It was always clear to the mob, kill it where it spawns. No training the whole zone and picking the boss out of the train of 90 trash mobs. Stuff like this just didn't happen on my server, ever.


But then again, I never heard of raid lawyering till I came here either. So maybe that was the norm on whatever server you and rogean were playing on. All I know is my classic end game experience from live was nothing like it is here, except the zones, the zones are pretty similar.


Long read but I agree 100%
My eq server was never as bad at end game as it is on p99. But then again we had like 5 years of kunark and the server is hella top heavy.

I just feel like the devs here should make unclassic changes for the spirit of classic eq. I mean the raid class system is an example of an attempt at it. So at least they're aware and have made attempts to remedy some issues

[Nilstoniakrath]

OP is right, blue is still way better than red and we should be grateful for that

Actually, blue is way better than red 1-50... but red is way better than blue 51-60... if you can put up with all the BS getting to that point <big IF>

[Lhancelot]

I completely disagree. You must have played on the same server as rogean and friends if your classic experience on live was anything like it is here. I can't believe some of the crap people pull here and then try to argue that it was "fair" or "not against the rules". Rules are great, and necessary, but there is also something to be said for just being a decent and nice person. Seemed to be a lot more decent and nice people on live back in 1999 then there are here.

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Has this ever happened on p99? Or anything like it? Because it has not, to my knowledge. And ya, there are the rogue nice people that drop fungus on lvl 6 monks and 30k pp deposits into a lowbies coffers. But I, personally, have never heard of a guild playing nice on this sort of level, on this server. I mean come on..... We can't even set up a fair, and simple mob rotation system?!? Instead we're really just gonna poopsock and argue wether or not ogre body blockers are legal in foot races? Or wether or not class A is allowed to use ability Y because the person playing class B doesn't have ability Y and there foot racing to a dragon?!? The variance between class abilities is one of the many things that makes this game wonderful. When certain abilities and spells are being lawyered out of end game content, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CLASSIC EQ. Never in my life on live did I see a gm tell a player they were not allowed to use an ability or spell they had at there disposal, UNLESS said player was intentionally glitching the game. But telling a mate they can't coth, or a Druid that they can't use spirit of cheetah or a bard that they can't pull with lull resists through walls..... never happened in my experience. (These aren't necessarily against the rules in all raid zones, but I've seen enough arguing back and forth about the use of tactics like this that it makes me sad.) And it most likely didn't happen because people would recognize there OWN behavior as being not cool, or unfair, and stop themselves. Not push it and push it and then argue that it's ok and fair once they've been found out. Or it didn't matter because it wasn't an advantage as NO ONE foot raced to mobs, ever, in my experience on live. It was always clear to the mob, kill it where it spawns. No training the whole zone and picking the boss out of the train of 90 trash mobs. Stuff like this just didn't happen on my server, ever.


But then again, I never heard of raid lawyering till I came here either. So maybe that was the norm on whatever server you and rogean were playing on. All I know is my classic end game experience from live was nothing like it is here, except the zones, the zones are pretty similar.

This actually is very well put, and accurate from my perspective. Just wish you paragraphed a bit more rofl. People will skip trying to read walls of text irregardless that it might be filled with bricks of truth and knowledge.

Anyway, I actually have been in a guild that had a tear drop, and instead of making it possible so that the shaman could get to it, the highest officer said it would take too long for the shaman to get there and so, they would loot it to MQ it. Others even offered to "sit" on it, if necessary. Nope. Loot it, and MQ it. That's what the officer dude said.

I understood then how it was in "casual to serious" raid guilds on P99. If you aint one of the officer/guild leader's butt muppets, you aint getting shit.

The level of greed in raid guilds is astouding on this server, and the ones who have the most control of the raiding scene are by far the greediest from what I have seen and experienced. I never seen it like this on any other game, either.

Maybe I just had bad experiences, or maybe I am just too idealistic? I don't know. All I do know is, when I dropped my toons out of the raid guilds, I found I had more energy to play again. When I was in two different raid guilds, both times I got to the point where I didn't even want to log my toons in that were guilded.

For some reason it seems when you reach that echelon of gaming on this server, the epeens are gigantic, and there is only so much room for epeens of that size. There are only so many pixels to be had and goddammit, those neckbeards with huge epeens need epics and the BiS gears on their 3rd and 4th alts.

Oh well. If you want to have fun raiding, I have no direction to point you. It's sad too, because it would be great to be able to see some of the highest end content on P99 without selling your entire soul or all of your dignity to do so.

[fastboy21]

While the forums aren't a true measure of the server's collective enjoyment, it seems like there is much less of a focus on the forums for...


Leveling advice
Light hearted in game stories
Player run events
Giveaways


...and more of an emphasis on:-


Raid lawyering
Detailed debate about the "rules" of a particular spawn
Powerleveling
Injustices against a player
MQ'ing and the consequences on people trying to do rings/epics/etc


So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99? Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show? What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again? Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

It seems like it has always seemed to me. It was always pretty much like this, just with more or less people at any particular time.

[coki]

Is it true guild leaders are still boning lower ranked members to get more pixels?

yes...

[Topgunben]

While the forums aren't a true measure of the server's collective enjoyment, it seems like there is much less of a focus on the forums for...


Leveling advice
Light hearted in game stories
Player run events
Giveaways


...and more of an emphasis on:-


Raid lawyering
Detailed debate about the "rules" of a particular spawn
Powerleveling
Injustices against a player
MQ'ing and the consequences on people trying to do rings/epics/etc


So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99? Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show? What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again? Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

I'm afraid you may be right OP. My experience up to level 50 has been very positive. But things are changing at this higher level, maybe I am partly to blame. I want to play with people that want to group up and just have fun, but it's getting hard to find those types.

The way I see it is all of the hardcore people that played on all of the many servers back in classic are now concentrated here on 1 server (p99). For a time, these hardcore players were satisfied with the game, but now that they have burned themselves out with 90 hour weeks, the bitterness and emptiness is starting to set in.

One thing is for damn sure, this server is no where near the same as it was 2 years ago when I joined.

[Meep]

I'm afraid you may be right OP. My experience up to level 50 has been very positive. But things are changing at this higher level, maybe I am partly to blame. I want to play with people that want to group up and just have fun, but it's getting hard to find those types.

The way I see it is all of the hardcore people that played on all of the many servers back in classic are now concentrated here on 1 server (p99). For a time, these hardcore players were satisfied with the game, but now that they have burned themselves out with 90 hour weeks, the bitterness and emptiness is starting to set in.

One thing is for damn sure, this server is no where near the same as it was 2 years ago when I joined.

Good post ^

[Sirban]

nerd

[Lulz|Sect]

remember kids

ForumQuest™ is a journey, not a destination...!

[fadetree]

While the forums aren't a true measure of the server's collective enjoyment, it seems like there is much less of a focus on the forums for...


Leveling advice
Light hearted in game stories
Player run events
Giveaways


...and more of an emphasis on:-


Raid lawyering
Detailed debate about the "rules" of a particular spawn
Powerleveling
Injustices against a player
MQ'ing and the consequences on people trying to do rings/epics/etc


So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99? Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show? What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again? Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

lol stfu op.

[Lhancelot]

lol stfu op.

Fade-Tree, that was rude. :p

[Dreenk317]

Long read but I agree 100%
My eq server was never as bad at end game as it is on p99. But then again we had like 5 years of kunark and the server is hella top heavy.

I just feel like the devs here should make unclassic changes for the spirit of classic eq. I mean the raid class system is an example of an attempt at it. So at least they're aware and have made attempts to remedy some issues


I agree, some changes, if well thought out and properly implemented, could go a long way to making the end game experience much more enjoyable, and in my opinion, more classic. I'm not asking for instances or even increased spawn timers. But with how much time GM's must be spending dealing with raid lawyering (according to sirkens stream, rogean, two guild masters, and a third party "raid lawyer" even had to meet in real life to settle a dispute once... that's insane..)

Why not set up and enforce a rotation? I imagine it would be much less time out of your schedules seeing as once rotation was established, players could police it by reporting violations and gm's could raid ban guilds. Much less lawyering. Just a simple "it wasn't your turn, everyone knew it, say hi to raid ban." Hell wouldn't even have to necessarily be present as a gm at all once system was established and was being respected.

Plus, it would create a whole new end game economy. Say guilds have to kill the mobs they've signed up for, at least one every rotation. So if a guild has signed up for rotation on 3 mobs, they have to kill at least one of them every cycle of the rotation or get dropped from it. Obviously they can kill all three as they are signed up. But let's say when second mob pops, they know they won't be able to muster the requisite force in time, so they could potentially give there slot to another guild on the agreement that a player gets to go with them and get there epic piece if it drops. Or you can take our faydedar kill this month if you MQ a cleric epic to our guild, or pay our guild 100k etc. I don't know, kind of rambling, but might provide an end game play sink (something the economy badly needs), and end a lot of the raid lawyer petition questing, freeing up GM's to do other stuff with there limited time.

/rant off.

[Tecmos Deception]

So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99??

Stop being a collectivist.

[Whirled]

Q1) So I ask you, is the fun slipping away from P99?

Q2) Is there a bigger decision to be made if a new(er) player wants to enter the raid scene shit show?

Q3)What can be done to make P99 more enjoyable again?

Q4)Is it beyond the staff's powers when dozens of players all want to shit on each other without "breaking" a rule?

A1) No, but so much could be done to improve what things have devolved to.

A2) Your wording of "raid scene shit show", sums it up in your own opinion.

A3) Countless threads of ideas, examples & pleas from the community have been made.

A4) Sadly, much like in RL, there's no law against being an A-hole. Which leaves avenues to abuse for those that find joy in spitting in others coffee.

Lots of talk about claiming to be "woke". If so many people are so knowledgeable of this community, than why such discord? Why the raid scene antics? If preventing other people from their game enjoyment is part of server rules, please show me where?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=822434&postcount=5
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651&highlight=Rules

[fastboy21]

A1) No, but so much could be done to improve what things have devolved to.

A2) Your wording of "raid scene shit show", sums it up in your own opinion.

A3) Countless threads of ideas, examples & pleas from the community have been made.

A4) Sadly, much like in RL, there's no law against being an A-hole. Which leaves avenues to abuse for those that find joy in spitting in others coffee.

Lots of talk about claiming to be "woke". If so many people are so knowledgeable of this community, than why such discord? Why the raid scene antics? If preventing other people from their game enjoyment is part of server rules, please show me where?
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=822434&postcount=5
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651&highlight=Rules

If the devs had "listened" to the community this server would have become an even bigger shit show. Everyone has their own pet solution to all the problems of classic EQ. If you can make a better rodeo then go do it. Start your own server (there are others out there not associated with EQ EMU) and give folks the choice "to play their way." P99 makes these other attempts to improve classic eq look like amateur hour. There isn't a single one out there that has actually succeeded the way p99 does.

[titanshub]

Troll posts belong in R&F.

[Whirled]

Troll posts belong in R&F.

Well said and agree^^

If the devs had "listened" to the community this server would have become an even bigger shit show. Everyone has their own pet solution to all the problems of classic EQ. If you can make a better rodeo then go do it. Start your own server (there are others out there not associated with EQ EMU) and give folks the choice "to play their way." P99 makes these other attempts to improve classic eq look like amateur hour. There isn't a single one out there that has actually succeeded the way p99 does.

The OP's questions (or perhaps trolls questions) were answered but your black & white retort is not needed. Yes, everyone does have their own ideas of what could help and yes it is up to the few developers to do what they feel is best. But, if you feel the status quo is a perfect solution, than you are truly part of the problem. For years; others have stated over & over, it is no where near classic and the raid scene is not a perfect situation as you feel it is.

I won't lie, my stake in this is nill, but I will speak up for others that want to see fairness, cohesiveness, & a better community. I don't raid because not only do I refuse to stare at a wall, poop in a sock &/or be a chair zombie for a +1 better piece of imaginary gear, but I have much more important responsibilities to take care of on this planet.

It's real easy to come here and play posture games stating to anyone that if one doesn't like the way things are that they can take a hike; but in the end, it is the ones with that attitude and the ones that won't listen that are the real problem since they are the ones that are not community people.
Playing any game should not come down to lawyer quest. Playing a game should not come to posting page length responses back & forth to strangers that just ignore and refuse anything but the truth; that problems that are ignored, do not go away.

I'd like to think that if I met you in game that I'd happily group up, help you out, assist you in whatever way i could, but your snide attitude leaves me feeling as if you're someone I would not care to associate with. Prove me wrong and let's all build a better community.

[Dreenk317]

P99 raid scene = furthest thing from classic I've seen on this server.

[fastboy21]

Well said and agree^^



The OP's questions (or perhaps trolls questions) were answered but your black & white retort is not needed.

I stopped reading after that. You don't have to like what I say, but hardly anything (certainly most of the drivel--including yours) in this thread is "needed".

I posted it because I thought it was relevant. If you don't think so, grats you. There have been literal years of folks playing here like fools taking every possible opportunity to tell the devs how they would do a better job with anything and everything (pick a topic: raid scene? economy? classic UIs?).

The devs resistance to give in to ad hoc community solutions that compromise the original purpose of this server is exactly the reason why p99 is still essentially the only stable EQ classic experience anywhere. If you don't see the relevance of that too bad for you.

[fastboy21]

I'd like to think that if I met you in game that I'd happily group up, help you out, assist you in whatever way i could, but your snide attitude leaves me feeling as if you're someone I would not care to associate with. Prove me wrong and let's all build a better community.

Yah, because comments like this are how you make friends.

[Meep]

Stop being a collectivist.

OP shouldn't be taking advice from a known RMTer

[fastboy21]

OP shouldn't be taking advice from a known RMTer

low blow

[Nilstoniakrath]

Free up the devs from lawyerquesting, make raid zones PvP enabled/guildwars (no loot or xp loss) or a DPS race - whoever xp's, gets to loot. The FTE/tracker/CotH stuff is just silly.

[Baler]

P99 is Nilbog's server, Rogean is the project manager of that server.

This isn't the communities server. Get over it.
No other EQ EMU non-custom server has succeeded the way P99 has.

The only valid argument for the fun leaving is there is nothing to progress for. Server firsts have been claimed and that's that. A new server starting from classic day 1 would change that, Until those server firsts have been claimed.

There is a reason old mmo's like EQ and UO still make new expansions and somehow stay afloat to keep the main servers online. If they didn't people would get bored and leave.
I have first hand experience of an era based uo private server that is losing players because it's a pure-era based server with no custom content and nothing to add. It's one of the best servers but no one wants to play the same thing over and over.
*shrugs*

[Ikon]

P99 is Nilbog's server, Rogean is the project manager of that server.

This isn't the communities server. Get over it.
No other EQ EMU non-custom server has succeeded the way P99 has.

The only valid argument for the fun leaving is there is nothing to progress for. Server firsts have been claimed and that's that. A new server starting from classic day 1 would change that, Until those server firsts have been claimed.

There is a reason old mmo's like EQ and UO still make new expansions and somehow stay afloat to keep the main servers online. If they didn't people would get bored and leave.
I have first hand experience of an era based uo private server that is losing players because it's a pure-era based server with no custom content and nothing to add. It's one of the best servers but no one wants to play the same thing over and over.
*shrugs*
Server firsts haven't really been accomplished as such in terms of classic EQ. Emulated EQ firsts have been accomplished.

Really isn't possible atm to accomplish real classic EQ server firsts because the mechanics don't exist for that to happen.

When lazy aggro, no binding in dungeons, no FD -> Sneak -> 100 blur and Pally Only Soulfiring is implemented, if it ever is, I doubt any of the guilds will be able to take even Vindi, let alone a ST warder.

I'd like to see a server first without those things... would be interesting to be proven wrong but I doubt I would be.

[Whirled]

I stopped reading after that. You don't have to like what I say, but hardly anything (certainly most of the drivel--including yours) in this thread is "needed".

I posted it because I thought it was relevant. If you don't think so, grats you. There have been literal years of folks playing here like fools taking every possible opportunity to tell the devs how they would do a better job with anything and everything (pick a topic: raid scene? economy? classic UIs?).

The devs resistance to give in to ad hoc community solutions that compromise the original purpose of this server is exactly the reason why p99 is still essentially the only stable EQ classic experience anywhere. If you don't see the relevance of that too bad for you.

Yah, because comments like this are how you make friends.

Actually yes, I AM a pretty friendly guy but I will stick up for the under dog when I feel the reasons merit it.

So you stopped reading but you kept reading, gotcha. Well, you sound like a real stand up, credible guy yourself. You cherry pick what to answer and never answered any of the questions OP asked or I asked. You didn't care to register the fact that I said I have no stake in any of this since I choose not to raid. Instead you fan boy pony up + throw out words that literally no one said anything about. No one in this thread said they could do a better job than the developers, just you. No one here mentioned anything about other servers and their stability. What was mentioned was the rule-lawyering + lawyer questing, FTE,COTH races and so much more that you STILL ignore no matter how flagrantly is stares at you.

You are very much part of the problem around here; like that hard pill to swallow or not. The tough guy behind a keyboard type joker that shows up when he can flaunt his pixels, brag about how great broken things are when they favor him and stomp out any disbelief of anything else with banner waving posts and insults anyone that think differently.

To be clear, I have enjoyed this server just as any one else that has played on it. I have praised and thanked the devs & all other involved staff members for their generosity, kindness & unending support for this creation. I have always been gracious to other players & helped those in need when I was able. What have you done for your beloved community?

Nothing to see here folks, everything working as intended since he's got his.

[fastboy21]

Actually yes, I AM a pretty friendly guy but I will stick up for the under dog when I feel the reasons merit it.

So you stopped reading but you kept reading, gotcha. Well, you sound like a real stand up, credible guy yourself. You cherry pick what to answer and never answered any of the questions OP asked or I asked. You didn't care to register the fact that I said I have no stake in any of this since I choose not to raid. Instead you fan boy pony up + throw out words that literally no one said anything about. No one in this thread said they could do a better job than the developers, just you. No one here mentioned anything about other servers and their stability. What was mentioned was the rule-lawyering + lawyer questing, FTE,COTH races and so much more that you STILL ignore no matter how flagrantly is stares at you.

You are very much part of the problem around here; like that hard pill to swallow or not. The tough guy behind a keyboard type joker that shows up when he can flaunt his pixels, brag about how great broken things are when they favor him and stomp out any disbelief of anything else with banner waving posts and insults anyone that think differently.

To be clear, I have enjoyed this server just as any one else that has played on it. I have praised and thanked the devs & all other involved staff members for their generosity, kindness & unending support for this creation. I have always been gracious to other players & helped those in need when I was able. What have you done for your beloved community?

Nothing to see here folks, everything working as intended since he's got his.

Yeah, I went back and actually finished reading your post after I said I stopped reading (which I did) the first time. You're chastising me for actually reading what you wrote?

I'm not sure why you want to present me as enemy number 1 when it comes to community life. I've been in the same guild for almost this entire server's life. I've made more friends here and avoided almost all the negativity of the end-game, because I agree with you that that is the most important and fun part of EQ --- not acquiring pixels. I do disagree with you that the solution is to change the game through fixes.

I don't say this because "I am getting mine" and screw everyone else. You're assuming that and it isn't true. I happen to actually think what is best for EQ and the server is to leave it the way it is. P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

Anyways, we don't have to agree...but your eagerness to throw me out as some kind of anti-community misfit just because I don't agree with you on the solution (or that we even need a solution from the devs) is fast and rude to some of the folks on p99 that do actually contribute to the positive community here, but don't agree with you about needing devs to change things.

[Dolalin]

P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

You're half right. The bad in EQ is what made it fun, but a lot of what's wrong with p99 is that it ain't classic: see fd/sneak mechanics for a big one, there are others, Daldaen has a good list.

[Mythanor]

If you think fd/ sneak bug is one of the BIG problems with the server, you totally don't understand what any of the big issues are, sorry to say.

[Whirled]

Yeah, I went back and actually finished reading your post after I said I stopped reading (which I did) the first time. You're chastising me for actually reading what you wrote?

I'm not sure why you want to present me as enemy number 1 when it comes to community life. I've been in the same guild for almost this entire server's life. I've made more friends here and avoided almost all the negativity of the end-game, because I agree with you that that is the most important and fun part of EQ --- not acquiring pixels. I do disagree with you that the solution is to change the game through fixes.

I don't say this because "I am getting mine" and screw everyone else. You're assuming that and it isn't true. I happen to actually think what is best for EQ and the server is to leave it the way it is. P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

Anyways, we don't have to agree...but your eagerness to throw me out as some kind of anti-community misfit just because I don't agree with you on the solution (or that we even need a solution from the devs) is fast and rude to some of the folks on p99 that do actually contribute to the positive community here, but don't agree with you about needing devs to change things.

Were you ever in the Army? You remind me a lot of a certain platoon sergeant I once butted heads with. Always played contrarian or devils advocate to whatever anyone said. Also bullied anyone under his rank. I probably shouldn't expand on that story for many reasons but I can in a private message if you want.

You tend to add things that no one says in your posts, which is an issue and in your own words, assuming things. You assume that I don't contribute or any of the other players that have asked for intervention in the large swaths of grey areas. Yet exalt yourself as if being in 1 guild from conception gives merit to some higher status. No one wants to have pages of rules to play a game that should be pretty straight forward, but the reality is, most people WILL try to screw other people over to get ahead and/or make gains for themselves. If you feel rule, camp, raid lawyering is what EQ is meant to be, then we are not playing the same game at all.

Stating that the server is not in need of any changes equates to it being final. No further changes needed & everything status quo will continue until the plug is pulled. Maybe someone in the know can weigh in whether this is accurate since I dont stay current with server news. Probably sad that I don't know that but yet I can click on any page of any thread to find problems, complaints & gripes about raiding, camp disputes & much more.

I wasn't chastising you. I was pointing out the obvious part that it's difficult to take someones words when they can't even be bothered to read before responding; even if in your snarky manner. But thank you for your discussion and time though, but I will not further this pointless debate as it has become. I hope your EQing goes well & hopefully your ancient guild has some of the best lawyers in Norrath.

[fastboy21]

You're half right. The bad in EQ is what made it fun, but a lot of what's wrong with p99 is that it ain't classic: see fd/sneak mechanics for a big one, there are others, Daldaen has a good list.

Fixing mechanics I totally agree with you on. Nilbog has said from the very beginning that if there is evidence that can prove how a classic mechanic works and there is a way he can figure out to fix it then it will be corrected.

The discussions/debate tend to happen on topics of what "feels" most classic or "what is best for the community" is not the exact copy/paste of classical mechanics.

I mostly get concerned when folks go passed the simple quality of life changes (linking items, tells queueing as you zone, etc.) and start to look at changes to how folks can interact with one another.

[Dolalin]

That's one of the big things wrong for my personal enjoyment of my time spent on P99. If you're talking about what's wrong for the raid scene, it's that there are too many 60s and too little for them to do. We can talk about supply management techniques, but it all comes down to that.

[fastboy21]

Were you ever in the Army? You remind me a lot of a certain platoon sergeant I once butted heads with. Always played contrarian or devils advocate to whatever anyone said. Also bullied anyone under his rank. I probably shouldn't expand on that story for many reasons but I can in a private message if you want.

You tend to add things that no one says in your posts, which is an issue and in your own words, assuming things. You assume that I don't contribute or any of the other players that have asked for intervention in the large swaths of grey areas. Yet exalt yourself as if being in 1 guild from conception gives merit to some higher status. No one wants to have pages of rules to play a game that should be pretty straight forward, but the reality is, most people WILL try to screw other people over to get ahead and/or make gains for themselves. If you feel rule, camp, raid lawyering is what EQ is meant to be, then we are not playing the same game at all.

Stating that the server is not in need of any changes equates to it being final. No further changes needed & everything status quo will continue until the plug is pulled. Maybe someone in the know can weigh in whether this is accurate since I dont stay current with server news. Probably sad that I don't know that but yet I can click on any page of any thread to find problems, complaints & gripes about raiding, camp disputes & much more.

I wasn't chastising you. I was pointing out the obvious part that it's difficult to take someones words when they can't even be bothered to read before responding; even if in your snarky manner. But thank you for your discussion and time though, but I will not further this pointless debate as it has become. I hope your EQing goes well & hopefully your ancient guild has some of the best lawyers in Norrath.

I tried. You keep presenting yourself as a champion of the community and how I am part of the problem. If only I was smart enough to understand why you are right and I am wrong everything would be better, but that's not how real dialogue works.

Good luck in your efforts to improve the community, however you define it for yourself.

[Ikon]

If you think fd/ sneak bug is one of the BIG problems with the server, you totally don't understand what any of the big issues are, sorry to say.
Its actually a huge problem. Theres a reason the sleeper was not woken in Velious era on live and its because it took an enormous amount of time and effort to gear up.

Being able to clear aggro 100% simply by hitting sneak, as well as binding coth mages at spawns, not having to facewalk mobs because they chase you all the way to zone anyway and 6 years of collecting soulfires vs the 1 year on live means the raiding game is trivial and instead of staggered progression and 1 or 2 guilds doing top end, you have tons of top end guilds fighting over mobs that pose little challenge.

[fastboy21]

Its actually a huge problem. Theres a reason the sleeper was not woken in Velious era on live and its because it took an enormous amount of time and effort to gear up.

Being able to clear aggro 100% simply by hitting sneak, as well as binding coth mages at spawns, not having to facewalk mobs because they chase you all the way to zone anyway and 6 years of collecting soulfires vs the 1 year on live means the raiding game is trivial and instead of staggered progression and 1 or 2 guilds doing top end, you have tons of top end guilds fighting over mobs that pose little challenge.

The biggest single issue, in terms of game play (not mechanics), is how off the timeline was. Gaining levels, farming gear, and doing it all multiple times over for alts changed the server in ways that would never have happened at launch if we had been on the right timeline. If they ever redo p99 on a fresh server this problem will be fixed.

[Mythanor]

So... let me get this correct. You're blaming the sleeper being woken, on the fact that monks can fd/ sneak mem wipe mobs..... really? really? Not on the asshats that did it, but on a mechanic you find not classic. Interesting to say the least.

[Ikon]

So... let me get this correct. You're blaming the sleeper being woken, on the fact that monks can fd/ sneak mem wipe mobs..... really? really? Not on the asshats that did it, but on a mechanic you find not classic. Interesting to say the least.
Not only on the FD sneak. FD -> Sneak = trivial pulling. No lazy aggro = trivial pulling. Binding in dungeons = Not having to clear to targets. A lot of other things that are not classic making raiding way too easy. 6 years of every character you want being able to cast 5 complete heals per character a psuedo cleric.

So yes, that all combines to make the classic job (and thats what it was) of gearing up to the point you could attempt ST so easy and fast had it not been so unclassic easy the sleeper would likely still be on both servers.

If you had raided in classic EQ you would get exactly what I am getting at.

As for the "asshats" if it had not been them it would have been someone else shortly after.

[maskedmelon]

Fade-Tree, that was rude. :p

Woah! I thought it was fa-DET-ree. fadetree can you please clarify? I feel stupid now calling you fadetree all this time if your name is actually fadetree...omgosh this is so embarassing...

[Ikon]

its an emulated server for a 15 year old game, if you want to make it harder you need to get a fucking life
Its a emulated Classic server. If you don't understand what the word Classic means you need to get a dictionary, its under fucking C ;)

[fadetree]

Fah-det-ree, actually. And yeah, it was rude, but this thread irritated me.

[skarlorn]

you are only posting here because the fun of red slipped away long ago.

[Meep]

Woah! I thought it was fa-DET-ree. fadetree can you please clarify? I feel stupid now calling you fadetree all this time if your name is actually fadetree...omgosh this is so embarassing...

I'm gonna say it rhymes with "loose-lin"

[fadetree]

lol

[maskedmelon]

Well, I don't feel so horribly embarrassed now. I was pretty close....probably just sounded a little retarded.

Anyway, still hav in' fun OP (and I'm not even able to play right now! D: )


(^ 。~)v



*EDIT* try whacking yourself in th head with a big rock a few time (not too hard!). In elfsim (and in life too!) fun and seriousness are liek inversely proportional; more serious = less fun. Just how it works.

[Oscillate]

I completely disagree. You must have played on the same server as rogean and friends if your classic experience on live was anything like it is here. I can't believe some of the crap people pull here and then try to argue that it was "fair" or "not against the rules". Rules are great, and necessary, but there is also something to be said for just being a decent and nice person. Seemed to be a lot more decent and nice people on live back in 1999 then there are here.

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Has this ever happened on p99? Or anything like it? Because it has not, to my knowledge. And ya, there are the rogue nice people that drop fungus on lvl 6 monks and 30k pp deposits into a lowbies coffers. But I, personally, have never heard of a guild playing nice on this sort of level, on this server. I mean come on..... We can't even set up a fair, and simple mob rotation system?!? Instead we're really just gonna poopsock and argue wether or not ogre body blockers are legal in foot races? Or wether or not class A is allowed to use ability Y because the person playing class B doesn't have ability Y and there foot racing to a dragon?!? The variance between class abilities is one of the many things that makes this game wonderful. When certain abilities and spells are being lawyered out of end game content, YOU NO LONGER HAVE CLASSIC EQ. Never in my life on live did I see a gm tell a player they were not allowed to use an ability or spell they had at there disposal, UNLESS said player was intentionally glitching the game. But telling a mate they can't coth, or a Druid that they can't use spirit of cheetah or a bard that they can't pull with lull resists through walls..... never happened in my experience. (These aren't necessarily against the rules in all raid zones, but I've seen enough arguing back and forth about the use of tactics like this that it makes me sad.) And it most likely didn't happen because people would recognize there OWN behavior as being not cool, or unfair, and stop themselves. Not push it and push it and then argue that it's ok and fair once they've been found out. Or it didn't matter because it wasn't an advantage as NO ONE foot raced to mobs, ever, in my experience on live. It was always clear to the mob, kill it where it spawns. No training the whole zone and picking the boss out of the train of 90 trash mobs. Stuff like this just didn't happen on my server, ever.


But then again, I never heard of raid lawyering till I came here either. So maybe that was the norm on whatever server you and rogean were playing on. All I know is my classic end game experience from live was nothing like it is here, except the zones, the zones are pretty similar.

This is so true. Sad, but true. I feel when I first started on P99, it wasn't as bad, but now, its just ppl racing around to get theirs, even if they need to walk over some others.

[fadetree]

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic. When I replied with yes, I was invited along on another guilds raid JUST so that the tear would go to someone who needed it if it dropped. As there shamans online all had it already apparently. There was no thought of saving it to sell as an MQ. Just /who all shaman 50-60, and invites to the raid as a tag along.

Yes, lots of things just like the guy quoted above is talking about have happened on P99. Lots of times. P99 is not any worse or better than any live server I ever played on in that regard. Maybe better, in fact. People just remember the bad stuff, and they get together on the internet to complain, so all you ever see is complaints and that makes you think that it's a shit show when it's not. It's like watching the news; they concentrate the bad stuff and mostly ignore the good stuff because it doesn't sell. In a similar fashion, an outrage thread gets lots more attention than a 'hey this guy helped me' thread does.

[feanan]

Eh, watched some twink in my group with 300k in gear deny "need" to some newb wearing leather, over a 200pp item.

Fuck people on this server sometimes.

Since there really isn't anything to do with all the pp and gear drops, I can only assume that most of this has to do with RMT

[fadetree]

Ok you're right, because you saw somebody do something bad, it clearly means that whole server sucks.

[fastboy21]

Yes, lots of things just like the guy quoted above is talking about have happened on P99. Lots of times. P99 is not any worse or better than any live server I ever played on in that regard. Maybe better, in fact. People just remember the bad stuff, and they get together on the internet to complain, so all you ever see is complaints and that makes you think that it's a shit show when it's not. It's like watching the news; they concentrate the bad stuff and mostly ignore the good stuff because it doesn't sell. In a similar fashion, an outrage thread gets lots more attention than a 'hey this guy helped me' thread does.

This is well said and I agree with you about the state of the server being "not any worse or better than any live server I ever played on" in almost all regards.

I do think that the "high end raiding game" is, in reality, a shit show on p99 though. Then again, it was on live also---there were just much fewer people experiencing it at the time.

[renordw]

I remember recieveing a random tell on my level 52 shaman, shortly after velious came out, asking if still needed the tear from plane of fear for my epic.

I had very similar experiences to this. I think the greed is just over the top on this server.


Make all raid target loot bind on pickup / not MQáble.



Hear, hear.

(according to sirkens stream, rogean, two guild masters, and a third party "raid lawyer" even had to meet in real life to settle a dispute once... that's insane..

Did someone literally hire a lawyer to settle something from P99? If that is the kind of people that play this server, then it makes me wonder if I even want to be here.

[Dreenk317]

Did someone literally hire a lawyer to settle something from P99? If that is the kind of people that play this server, then it makes me wonder if I even want to be here.

From what I understood. It's a player that is very familiar with the end game raid scene and is working on his law degree (not so sure about law degree part).

This player hires himself out to raid guilds on the grounds that if he successfully argues there side and gets the offending guild raid banned than he gets one piece of loot (his pick) from any raid target that you down during the ban period. His logic being that if said guild hadn't been banned you wouldn't have necessarily gotten those targets or any of the loot from the them.

At least that's what he made it sound like. But during the stream rogean confirmed that he, this raid lawyer, and two guild leaders had all met up in real life at a Cheesecake Factory to hash out some raid dispute. I can't believe the GM's would rather do stuff like this then implement a rotation system....

[renordw]

Jesus. Christ. I probably won't ever log in again after reading that. What a mess.

[maskedmelon]

Just want to point out that people who are overly serious in all likelihood secretly hate fun because it does them so they want to destroy it wherever they find itS I implore my fellow elf peoples to help these people learn to make fools of themselves :3 May have to push through a hedge of anger and bog or two of sorrow to get there, but rested assured, once one has sufficiently devalued themself, there ain't nothin to do butt laugh ^^

[Lhancelot]

From what I understood. It's a player that is very familiar with the end game raid scene and is working on his law degree (not so sure about law degree part).

This player hires himself out to raid guilds on the grounds that if he successfully argues there side and gets the offending guild raid banned than he gets one piece of loot (his pick) from any raid target that you down during the ban period. His logic being that if said guild hadn't been banned you wouldn't have necessarily gotten those targets or any of the loot from the them.

At least that's what he made it sound like. But during the stream rogean confirmed that he, this raid lawyer, and two guild leaders had all met up in real life at a Cheesecake Factory to hash out some raid dispute. I can't believe the GM's would rather do stuff like this then implement a rotation system....

Is this real? My god. Dude sounds like a character out of a Tarantino movie, like the one Harvey Keitel played in Pulp Fiction. "I'm Winston Wolf - I solve problems."

There seems to be no end to the depths of ridiculousness when it comes to the lust of pixels on this server.

[Meep]

There seems to be no end to the depths of ridiculousness when it comes to the lust of pixels on this server.

Or the fallout on the forums because of it :p

[fadetree]

Is this real? My god. Dude sounds like a character out of a Tarantino movie, like the one Harvey Keitel played in Pulp Fiction. "I'm Winston Wolf - I solve problems."

There seems to be no end to the depths of ridiculousness when it comes to the lust of pixels on this server.

As far as I know, this is not an actual fact. There was a player a while back who did a series of satirical posts about being a lawyer and getting hired. Satire seems to be missed around here a lot.

[paulgiamatti]

Sadly, I'm pretty sure Unbrella does actually do that stuff, unless he was glibly trolling everyone on Sirken's last stream. Dude made that entire broadcast unlistenable, by the way. I would sooner shoot my dick off with a rifle than subject myself to a minute of VoIP chat with someone like him.

[Lhancelot]

Sadly, I'm pretty sure Unbrella does actually do that stuff, unless he was glibly trolling everyone on Sirken's last stream. Dude made that entire broadcast unlistenable, by the way. I would sooner shoot my dick off with a rifle than subject myself to a minute of VoIP chat with someone like him.

I am intrigued. Almost makes me want to go watch and listen to the stream if this Umbrella guy is on there. And I have never listened to a stream in my entire life.

[Meep]

Sadly, I'm pretty sure Unbrella does actually do that stuff, unless he was glibly trolling everyone on Sirken's last stream. Dude made that entire broadcast unlistenable, by the way. I would sooner shoot my dick off with a rifle than subject myself to a minute of VoIP chat with someone like him.

Couldn't hear a word he was saying, he was chewing food for about an hour straight and only stopped to breathe to talk about food to her. Wife must be a lousy cook if you have to chew everything 30 times before its swallowable.

yikes

[renordw]

Is this real? My god. Dude sounds like a character out of a Tarantino movie, like the one Harvey Keitel played in Pulp Fiction. "I'm Winston Wolf - I solve problems."

There seems to be no end to the depths of ridiculousness when it comes to the lust of pixels on this server.

It's not THAT that concerns me, it's the fact that the admins indulge this behavior. Even if it's satire, the fact that the raiding forum exists makes my stomach churn.

[Lhancelot]

Couldn't hear a word he was saying, he was chewing food for about an hour straight and only stopped to breathe to talk about food to her. Wife must be a lousy cook if you have to chew everything 30 times before its swallowable.

yikes

That or he was eating homemade jerky? That stuff really takes a long time to chew, man! And the sounds it makes... yeah. He must have been stuffing his mouth with some beef jerky or something similar.

[Dreenk317]

As far as I know, this is not an actual fact. There was a player a while back who did a series of satirical posts about being a lawyer and getting hired. Satire seems to be missed around here a lot.

You can go watch sirkens stream. It's one of the most recent ones talking about "the raid scene" or a title like that. The "raid lawyer" I'm talking about is one of the two guests, ACgamer being the other. During the stream, in the twitch chat, rogean himself comments about "seeing him raid lawyer in real life was pretty impressive/interesting" (or something along those lines). And then sirken asks him to tell the story. And he does.

I can't say if it for real happened or not, but I don't get why they would make it up.

[fadetree]

Hmm, yeah thats not what i thought it was. I take it back. Er, I mean : Let the record show that I retract my assertion, prima post facie.

[Dreenk317]

Hmm, yeah thats not what i thought it was. I take it back. Er, I mean : Let the record show that I retract my assertion, prima post facie.

Retraction sustained :D

[Griffy]

For me it has become Fun-Differently.

I used to be in a raid guild here on Project 99. between the infighting and banging heads with other guilds.... It simply lost its appeal for me.

These days I focus on what I enjoy. I play my little necro from time to time. Work on more druid guides "And one for the lil necro" I look for events such as ring wars that I can help with, and enjoy helping / participating with the Project-Fun events.

I've learned to stay away from specific threads on the forums, they simply cause more hate and Ire then they are worth.

Ill never go back to raiding or trying to get uber loots because I know that's a giant poop sandwich. To many selfish folks, to much time invested for enjoyment factor.

Saum Baudee
Druid of Tunare
The Quad Kiting Kid

Naumess
Necro'ing up the new way

[renordw]

For me it has become Fun-Differently.

I used to be in a raid guild here on Project 99. between the infighting and banging heads with other guilds.... It simply lost its appeal for me.


Oh god yes this. And hearing people screeching in vent, bragging about their drug problems.... Ugggggggggggh

[Alanus]

From what I understood. It's a player that is very familiar with the end game raid scene and is working on his law degree (not so sure about law degree part).

This player hires himself out to raid guilds on the grounds that if he successfully argues there side and gets the offending guild raid banned than he gets one piece of loot (his pick) from any raid target that you down during the ban period. His logic being that if said guild hadn't been banned you wouldn't have necessarily gotten those targets or any of the loot from the them.

At least that's what he made it sound like. But during the stream rogean confirmed that he, this raid lawyer, and two guild leaders had all met up in real life at a Cheesecake Factory to hash out some raid dispute. I can't believe the GM's would rather do stuff like this then implement a rotation system....

That's gotta be satire. I can't imagine Rogean would waste his time on shit like that since it's his server.

[paulgiamatti]

I think he meant to type Sirken there. Rogean doesn't do CSR, and he surely doesn't meet up with P99 guild leaders in real life.

[Dreenk317]

That's gotta be satire. I can't imagine Rogean would waste his time on shit like that since it's his server.

Just watch the stream :/ it sounded way to real. And I agree, I can't believe the GM's would do crap like that rather than enforce a rotation system or something. And the fact that these guild leaders have enough sway to call a meeting with rogean really makes one wonder about the validity of all these "sanctioned RMT" claims, I used to think it was all BS, then I watched this stream and began to wonder....

[renordw]

Just watch the stream :/ it sounded way to real. And I agree, I can't believe the GM's would do crap like that rather than enforce a rotation system or something. And the fact that these guild leaders have enough sway to call a meeting with rogean really makes one wonder about the validity of all these "sanctioned RMT" claims, I used to think it was all BS, then I watched this stream and began to wonder....

Can you link it?

EDIT: Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XseaJjkurGw

Unbrella is such an autist.

[Lhancelot]

For me it has become Fun-Differently.

I used to be in a raid guild here on Project 99. between the infighting and banging heads with other guilds.... It simply lost its appeal for me.

These days I focus on what I enjoy. I play my little necro from time to time. Work on more druid guides "And one for the lil necro" I look for events such as ring wars that I can help with, and enjoy helping / participating with the Project-Fun events.

I've learned to stay away from specific threads on the forums, they simply cause more hate and Ire then they are worth.

Ill never go back to raiding or trying to get uber loots because I know that's a giant poop sandwich. To many selfish folks, to much time invested for enjoyment factor.

Saum Baudee
Druid of Tunare
The Quad Kiting Kid

Naumess
Necro'ing up the new way

Exactly. I guess for some the raid scene is fun though. Who am I to say it's not fun for them?

I just found it awful personally. Killed my joy for the game. It took me not being in a guild to find fun on the server again.

I just like the little things, and peace. I am a hippie at heart, and the raid scene does not like hippies.

In raid guilds it's hard to slow down and smell the roses when you want to. Once out of raid guilds I found I can do so easily, and even choose which roses to smell and for how long.

Peace and love, brothers and sisters. Peace and love.

[fadetree]

Pass the bong, dammit.

[Nixtar]

Just watch the stream :/ it sounded way to real. And I agree, I can't believe the GM's would do crap like that rather than enforce a rotation system or something. And the fact that these guild leaders have enough sway to call a meeting with rogean really makes one wonder about the validity of all these "sanctioned RMT" claims, I used to think it was all BS, then I watched this stream and began to wonder....

Back on live we had annual Bilderberg-style meetings with the Illuminati. On the face of it, it was a community event with BBQ and beer... But what went on behind those doors? Where we secretly meeting with extraterrestrial explorers to get strats on how to get server firsts? Future knowledge of when mobs spawn? Superior computing for next gen boxing technology?

[Lhancelot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XseaJjkurGw



Trying hard not to be judgmental here. Real hard. But... One pick of loot? For lawyerquesting? Is this real, or purely satire at the highest level?

He sounds real here, I detect nothing disingenuous in his voice when he explains what he does.

Either this is one of the weirdest, craziest things I have ever heard of in a MMO community, or this dude sells it with the stone-cold delivery of a preacher who spreads the gospel which none of it he himself believes in.

[Dreenk317]

Trying hard not to be judgmental here. Real hard. But... One pick of loot? For lawyerquesting? Is this real, or purely satire at the highest level?

He sounds real here, I detect nothing disingenuous in his voice when he explains what he does.

Either this is one of the weirdest, craziest things I have ever heard of in a MMO community, or this dude sells it with the stone-cold delivery of a preacher who spreads the gospel which none of it he himself believes in.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.

[Oscillate]

From what I understood. It's a player that is very familiar with the end game raid scene and is working on his law degree (not so sure about law degree part).

This player hires himself out to raid guilds on the grounds that if he successfully argues there side and gets the offending guild raid banned than he gets one piece of loot (his pick) from any raid target that you down during the ban period. His logic being that if said guild hadn't been banned you wouldn't have necessarily gotten those targets or any of the loot from the them.

At least that's what he made it sound like. But during the stream rogean confirmed that he, this raid lawyer, and two guild leaders had all met up in real life at a Cheesecake Factory to hash out some raid dispute. I can't believe the GM's would rather do stuff like this then implement a rotation system....

LMFAO that reminds me of the guy from Shawshank Redemption. Its partly sad, partly funny, that its gotten this outlandish... :rolleyes: