******Official politics thread ******

[Ahldagor]

Dude, just get a visa to Russia, Comrade. Over the past decade they way outdid us on religious freedoms. While Putin was smiling and nodding his head, 0bama was cracking down allahu ackbary (well apart from islam the religion of pieces). But now, Comrade, it's flipped the other way around all of the sudden. Putin is cracking down while Trump is smiling and nodding.

So there is your glorious Russia, you can have your freedom FROM religion, rather than the horrible horrible disaster of freedom OF religion we have here that you libtards loath. And even if Atheist, that's just another religion, truly a faith based religion yet requiring even more faith than the rest. The muslim hoards will eat you alive too.

Lord's mercy upon your moronic soul. The "right" religion won't protect you from anything. How do you lack self-awareness....wait, you got politically cucked and don't know what to do. A salesman did a bait and switch on millions of people to get elected president. Trump just weakened the first amendment which should concern you.

[maskedmelon]

man's own idiocy exempts him from both right to life and liberty. he is entitled to naught more than the misery he promotes and with time will know no more. with little doubt, he has reached his present level of advancement and with his arrival has every time hidden himself from the terror of his own impotence with ever greater delusion. verily he has evicted his mind's most precious tennant in utter disgust and so confined him to menial validation of what is obvious and blatant perversion in ever bolder declaration of what is not. alongside nature, reason is bound, abused and ultimately forgotten until such time his desiccated form is consumed by nature who with renewed strength sunders the timeworn shackles of man's cowardice and returns him to the suffering he is naught without.

[Ahldagor]

man's own idiocy exempts him from both right to life and liberty. he is entitled to naught more than the misery he promotes and with time will know no more. with little doubt, he has reached his present level of advancement and with his arrival has every time hidden himself from the terror of his own impotence with ever greater delusion. verily he has evicted his mind's most precious tennant in utter disgust and so confined him to menial validation of what is obvious and blatant perversion in ever bolder declaration of what is not. alongside nature, reason is bound, abused and ultimately forgotten until such time his desiccated form is consumed by nature who with renewed strength sunders the timeworn shackles of man's cowardice and returns him to the suffering he is naught without.

Reason is an arbitrary mode of thought that uses logic, noncontradiction. Also, the consumer a priori model has been moved past by contemporary thought.

Macaroon beat Le Pen with two thirds of the vote. Next up is Italy.

[maskedmelon]

Reason is an arbitrary mode of thought that uses logic, noncontradiction. Also, the consumer a priori model has been moved past by contemporary thought.

Macaroon beat Le Pen with two thirds of the vote. Next up is Italy.

you say this as if it is somehow incongruent with my assertions.

[Pokesan]

you say this as if it is somehow incongruent with my assertions.

the iamverysmart shtick has worn thin, doubt anyone still reads

[maskedmelon]

the iamverysmart shtick has worn thin, doubt anyone still reads

it was pretty transparent to begin with, but I'll continue to read for the chance of learning something be it a new name or idea whether it is insightful or not.

[Pokesan]

it was pretty transparent to begin with, but I'll continue to read for the chance of learning something be it a new name or idea whether it is insightful or not.

I'm just not hormonally disposed to enjoy ikebana ;)

[Rader]

the iamverysmart shtick has worn thin, doubt anyone still reads

Your pokesanthesalamihidingimbecile shtick is soooooo much better?

[Pokesan]

Your pokesanthesalamihidingimbecile shtick is soooooo much better?

it was a setup to compare his writing style with (japanese, melon likes japan) flower arranging. this is a teasing compliment.

lurk more

[maskedmelon]

it was a setup to compare his writing style with (japanese, melon likes japan) flower arranging. this is a teasing compliment.

lurk more

i understood this (o^^o) it make me smile.

[Daywolf]

Anonymous warns world to ‘prepare’ for World War 3
The infamous hacktivist group Anonymous has released a chilling new video — urging people across the globe to “prepare” for World War 3 — as the US and North Korea continue to move “strategic pieces into place” for battle. http://nypost.com/2017/05/08/anonymous-warns-world-to-prepare-for-world-war-3/

You can actually use a thermos to cook things like pasta, rice, beans etc in. There are some vids around, but pretty easy. Rice cooks in about an hour, beans maybe over night. Various ways to heat water using the sun, but when using fuel it's better to heat the water then put it into a thermos, save a lot of fuel. Anyway, you want to stay away from FEMA camps as long as possible, but check with FEMA Camp Guard Pokesan for locations nearest you.

[Pokesan]

Anonymous warns world to ‘prepare’ for World War 3
The infamous hacktivist group Anonymous has released a chilling new video — urging people across the globe to “prepare” for World War 3 — as the US and North Korea continue to move “strategic pieces into place” for battle. http://nypost.com/2017/05/08/anonymous-warns-world-to-prepare-for-world-war-3/

You can actually use a thermos to cook things like pasta, rice, beans etc in. There are some vids around, but pretty easy. Rice cooks in about an hour, beans maybe over night. Various ways to heat water using the sun, but when using fuel it's better to heat the water then put it into a thermos, save a lot of fuel. Anyway, you want to stay away from FEMA camps as long as possible, but check with FEMA Camp Guard Pokesan for locations nearest you.

positing doomsday scenarios in reaction to obvious clickbait.

daywolf ladies and gents.

[entruil]

man's own idiocy exempts him from both right to life and liberty. he is entitled to naught more than the misery he promotes and with time will know no more. with little doubt, he has reached his present level of advancement and with his arrival has every time hidden himself from the terror of his own impotence with ever greater delusion. verily he has evicted his mind's most precious tennant in utter disgust and so confined him to menial validation of what is obvious and blatant perversion in ever bolder declaration of what is not. alongside nature, reason is bound, abused and ultimately forgotten until such time his desiccated form is consumed by nature who with renewed strength sunders the timeworn shackles of man's cowardice and returns him to the suffering he is naught without.

drunk on lust for power man is.

the town of mansoul's eye and ear gates are indefensible by the inhabitants themselves.

positing doomsday scenarios in reaction to obvious clickbait.

daywolf ladies and gents.


either the shadows are being revealed or the plan is being accelerated. many pieces have been in place for a long time and there is bound to be some culmination. The fall of Rome has many parallels.

[mickmoranis]

NEW TESTAMENT NEW TESTAMENT its in the NEW TESTAMENT GUYS IT MUST BE REALLY HAPPENING FINALLY

[mickmoranis]

I love reading about all you fucking idiots suffering: http://fox2now.com/2017/05/08/town-with-brown-water-has-no-record-of-cleaning-its-water-tower/

[Jarnauga]

I wonder how altnazis are gonna survive when they can't post memes anymore when WW3 cuts the internet :rolleyes:

[Daywolf]

positing doomsday scenarios in reaction to obvious clickbait.

daywolf ladies and gents. Yeah because this has nothing ... nothing ... to do with geopolitics uh-huh. Politics is all just a conceptual and abstract idea, it leads to nothing but utopia if any outcome. :rolleyes:

NEW TESTAMENT NEW TESTAMENT its in the NEW TESTAMENT GUYS IT MUST BE REALLY HAPPENING FINALLYWhere is WWIII in the NT? Or you talking about your Kabbalah, the heart of ZOG? Because that is where Zionism divides, with those that just want restoration of a nation while Kabbalists want to start WWIII to bring in the messiah. They are usually politically liberal leaning and support globalism such as yourself/s.

[mickmoranis]

Yeah because this has nothing ... nothing ... to do with geopolitics uh-huh. Politics is all just a conceptual and abstract idea, it leads to nothing but utopia if any outcome. :rolleyes:

Where is WWIII in the NT? Or you talking about your Kabbalah, the heart of ZOG? Because that is where Zionism divides, with those that just want restoration of a nation while Kabbalists want to start WWIII to bring in the messiah. They are usually politically liberal leaning and support globalism such as yourself/s.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/VKo8wbnSN10

[Daywolf]

BREAKING:

Comey, you're fired!

About damn time! Now maybe we can reopen those emails :D We'll strap HRC to one of our outgoing ICBM's, I'm sure she'd like that.

[Daywolf]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/VKo8wbnSN10
No. If you ever read it, you'd know it's regional wars, no mention of global wars. Only at har megiddo, near the end of the time-line, but too that is regional at least regarding a battlefield with many armies of the world. Now if you truthfully present what your Jewish Kabbalah holds to, then yes there is a WWIII by your perspective and your scriptures. But for the "NT", in the grand scheme of things, it's not mentioned just like WWI and WWII were not mentioned, nor most wars.

[Pokesan]

Well that's certainly Nixonian

[AzzarTheGod]

i love reagan reagan is life

[mickmoranis]

We may not live in the end of times, but we sure do live in the dumbest of times.

[Daywolf]

Well that's certainly Nixonian
Which part, he being anti-semite or him sending weapons to Israel during the war and saving the nation? Nixon was a very interesting fellow.

I'm not anti-semite. Kabbala has been around for millennia, and around 33AD you could attribute them to the Sadducees, one of the Jewish sects Yeshua hated. Just same group different name, wile same beliefs etc. not a creation of 12th century ffffrance as it's known to be but a reinvention.

Like you've heard me mention black cube worship/ Saturn (planet) cult and all that, Jewish Kabbala is thoroughly submerged into that right along with the Masons, probably the two groups deepest into it short of hidden occult groups which are many.

It's not the entirety of the illuminati or global elites, just a seat at the table. They all contribute to capturing your mind and directing you to their services as most of our society has gone. Find yourself connected to one of those groups, best flee their assemblies. Nothing good can come of it.

[Daywolf]

We may not live in the end of times, but we sure do live in the dumbest of times.
Well I don't believe we are at the end of time sort of "end-times", but just that a big transition is about to take place end-times; end of this time to the next coming time. You don't need to be in any group so feel that true, of something about to happen but even not knowing what it is. Yeah it is dumb times. Life will go on though.

[mickmoranis]

Well I don't believe we are at the end of time sort of "end-times", but just that a big transition is about to take place end-times; end of this time to the next coming time. You don't need to be in any group so feel that true, of something about to happen but even not knowing what it is. Yeah it is dumb times. Life will go on though.

you'd have to be a moran to think that the only BIG transition humanity will make is to eventually turn into the progressive global nightmare you are so terrified of.

All your side did was buy itself some time, ironically from a very obvious plan of dumming down america so that YOUR generation could talk and talk and talk about nothing for a good 20 years.

You cant stop progress.

[Daywolf]

you'd have to be a moran to think that the only BIG transition humanity will make is to eventually turn into the progressive global nightmare you are so terrified of.

All your side did was buy itself some time, ironically from a very obvious plan of dumming down america so that YOUR generation could talk and talk and talk about nothing for a good 20 years.

You cant stop progress.
Wow if that aint out of the books of Kabbalah, nothing is. No, it's never going to happen, it'll be defeated. My only concern regarding progressive globalism is in the here and now. These guys are dirty rotten black hearts towards humanity. Eugenics, Warmongering, tainted flu shots, human DNA manipulation, GMO's, Bankers power, plans to depopulate the world, world govt., world religion (of the black cube). Humanity will end on this path, and not very far off at that.

[Daywolf]

btw you guys are about to get your most anticipated gift, I'm about to go on vacation. And it's going to be a loooooong vacation, and no broadband or cell phone coverage. Lots of fish and game though :D I'll finally be able to wear my $300 mountain boots everyday. If all goes well, when I get back (if there is a back to get), I may just sell my house and make it permanent. So I don't know what to say ... DIAF? :P

[Ahldagor]

Cucked morans humble brag. May the lord Prexus deny you fish while Karana mauls you via a bear.

[Daywolf]

Dude no, bears luv me and fish jump out and into my net. Weirdest thing since I was a kid, I have some power over most animals. Even in past run-ins with bears. If you store some emergency water, make sure you truck it in from Mexico, m-kay?

[Pokesan]

madmen going their own way

[Daywolf]

madmen going their own way
https://youtu.be/4N3N1MlvVc4

[Jarnauga]

Number of people surprised that Daywolf is a christian tard = none

[Jarnauga]

BREAKING:

Comey, you're fired!



Anybody wanna fill me in on this and why everyone seems to freak out ? i thought i was kinda getting american politics, but i'm lost :confused:

[Tankdan]

Anybody wanna fill me in on this and why everyone seems to freak out ? i thought i was kinda getting american politics, but i'm lost :confused:
Trump did it so its bad and must be a cover up, despite all the left-wing media and all of Hillary supporters calling for his resignation weeks/months ago. It's basically fueling their Trump/Russian conspiracy because they think Trump is firing somebody who is investigating Trump. Even Hillary herself just this week blamed Comey for her losing the election.

https://archive.is/7akaH
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/13/comey-should-resign/?utm_term=.6e9a27bda7a0

there's like 3,000 articles from left-wingers demanding he be fired.

GOP didn't like Comey involvement in the political race either. He refused to go after Hillary (e.g. wiping 30k emails) despite evidence that other people got prosecuted for far less.

[Ahldagor]

Welp the GOP might be hedging a bet.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39860330

[Ahldagor]

Trump did it so its bad and must be a cover up, despite all the left-wing media and all of Hillary supporters calling for his resignation weeks/months ago. It's basically fueling their Trump/Russian conspiracy because they think Trump is firing somebody who is investigating Trump. Even Hillary herself just this week blamed Comey for her losing the election.

https://archive.is/7akaH
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/13/comey-should-resign/?utm_term=.6e9a27bda7a0

there's like 3,000 articles from left-wingers demanding he be fired.

GOP didn't like Comey involvement in the political race either. He refused to go after Hillary (e.g. wiping 30k emails) despite evidence that other people got prosecuted for far less.

Can't misspeak in front of congress. Not surprised because of that, but people freaking out and stretching it is asinine. Dude could be prosecuted for perjury if an investigation happens to find enough evidence. The firing was proly sufficient for most in Washington DC tho'.

[Pokesan]

Trump did it so its bad and must be a cover up, despite all the left-wing media and all of Hillary supporters calling for his resignation weeks/months ago. It's basically fueling their Trump/Russian conspiracy because they think Trump is firing somebody who is investigating Trump. Even Hillary herself just this week blamed Comey for her losing the election.

https://archive.is/7akaH
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/13/comey-should-resign/?utm_term=.6e9a27bda7a0

there's like 3,000 articles from left-wingers demanding he be fired.

GOP didn't like Comey involvement in the political race either. He refused to go after Hillary (e.g. wiping 30k emails) despite evidence that other people got prosecuted for far less.

James B. Comey, the FBI director, faced a Senate committee Wednesday for the first time since he confirmed in March that the FBI was investigating whether President Trump's current or former aides coordinated with Russian intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign. (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-comey-grilled-on-fbi-s-russia-1493817799-htmlstory.html)

[Nilstoniakrath]

Comey should be fired for throwing the election to Trump but hired as Special Prosecutor of the Russian stealing the election from Clinton. Duh.

[Daywolf]

Number of people surprised that Daywolf is a christian tard = none
Wat?!? you really are slow :o It's ok, it's ok to be dumb, nothin' wrong with it.
I've only mentioned it some half dozen times the past year as well. Especially in my debates with our muslim friend here about islam.... who seems to have vanished I suppose out with a boom. Someone recently said I'm a reformed/protestant, but I don't identify there, other than core beliefs (e.g 5 solas, creeds etc.). Because that's reformed from Catholicism, I'm more into Eastern beliefs pre-Byzantine empire. All simplicity, no traditions, but modern/revised.



Why?? Because Comey should have sought prosecution. He blatantly didn't and that was wrong no matter the outcome or who it was that did it. He declared things that by nature would require prosecution, then did a full 180 degree turn dismissing it.

He didn't cause her to lose, he gave her a chance to win, but by being above the law. I don't think it swayed any votes, there is too much of a divide anyway, would make no difference. He should have been out on the first day of Trump's office, not wait until it comes out he lied about how many emails there were. Though is unimportant compared to the content of the emails, only takes one really.

A nation w/o laws is a nation that's doomed. We have plenty of laws, but they get ignored while lawmakers just keep cranking out more laws to be ignored. I think under 0bama, they created more laws than were ever made in 200+ years. Makes it all more confusing and easier to ignore all laws.

Oh and they likely wouldn't have replaced her with Bernie, she already had damaged him enough with her cheating ways. Just another NWO shill like Shillery would have went up against Trump, like Biden or someone. He make you look smart.

[nyclin]

Trump did it so its bad and must be a cover up, despite all the left-wing media and all of Hillary supporters calling for his resignation weeks/months ago. It's basically fueling their Trump/Russian conspiracy because they think Trump is firing somebody who is investigating Trump. Even Hillary herself just this week blamed Comey for her losing the election.

https://archive.is/7akaH
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/01/13/comey-should-resign/?utm_term=.6e9a27bda7a0

there's like 3,000 articles from left-wingers demanding he be fired.

GOP didn't like Comey involvement in the political race either. He refused to go after Hillary (e.g. wiping 30k emails) despite evidence that other people got prosecuted for far less.

Comey probably should have been fired for what he said in the lead-up to the election, but you're missing the point: Trump just fired one of the people directly responsible for investigating his campaign's ties with Russia at a time when the investigation seems to be hitting its stride.

The only president I'm aware of that's done something like this, was eventually impeached as a direct result of his actions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. It isn't about Comey's comments during the election even. It's about Trump trying to cut the head off of an investigation that's increasingly looking worse for him, as far as I'm concerned. Say what you want about the veracity of the investigation.. you don't fire someone who's in the middle of conducting a very public investigation against you without it looking like impropriety.

[Daywolf]

lol the "Russian Hak0rz", a half-wit made up that shit. Has about as much merit as HRC running a fair campaign against Bernie lolololol

no no you wanna know who threw the elections and put the clone of Hitler in the seat rather than that pristine and wholly upstanding righteous goddess HRC? She was going to go for "full disclosure" and reveal teh alienz, and teh alienz just didn't want to be disclosed, so they HaKz0rD the elections directly from the RED planet. See? Red?!? Just like Soviet Russia! See?!? See?!? ewwww them Red Soviet Russian, it's all their fault. They anti-WOMAN!!! They HATE WOMEN, that's it! Making youtube videos on that giant RT news network just completely destroyed DEMOCRACY. WOLVERINES!!!!!


Russians...
/facepalm

[AzzarTheGod]

James B. Comey, the FBI director, faced a Senate committee Wednesday for the first time since he confirmed in March that the FBI was investigating whether President Trump's current or former aides coordinated with Russian intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign. (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-comey-grilled-on-fbi-s-russia-1493817799-htmlstory.html)

my sega on the dunks

Worst possible time for the Fat King to fire the chief investigator

who just said he was investigating Trump aides this week and the Trump campaign in the 2016 lead up

[AzzarTheGod]

Does the Fat King's incompetence know no bounds?

How's that tax reform bill looking? O wait it hasn't even been drafted

[AenorVZ]

Here you go mom's basement virgin nazis:

https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2017/05/james-comey-trump-investigation/

In a court filing in this case on April 6, 2017, a Justice Department attorney representing the FBI informed the Court that there is an “active, ongoing investigation” pertaining to this matter and claimed that disclosing the “records that are responsive to the Russia Request” could reasonably be expected to interfere with “enforcement proceedings.” (As noted elsewhere in the DOJ/FBI’s new filing, the term “Russia Request” refers explicitly to Shapiro and Leopold’s FOIA request quoted above.) The DOJ/FBI’s new court filing acknowledges the existence of records responsive to Shapiro and Leopold’s “Russia Request”, and claimed that all, or virtually all, of these documents cannot be released because of the potential to interfere with active law enforcement proceedings.

[Xaanka]

"COMEY WAS RIGHT ON THE VERGE OF BREAKING THE SEXUAL RELATIONS BETWEEN PUTIN AND CHEETOMAN TRUMP STORY WIDE OPEN. WATCH THESE TRUMPETS DEFEND THEIR FELLOW "COMRADES" HEHEHE

I TOTALLY DIDN'T CALL FOR OBAMA TO FIRE COMEY IN THE 11TH HOUR ONLY MONTHS AGO, NOPE THAT TOTALLY WASN'T ME"

- the new Chemtrails american left

[Xaanka]

American democratic party confirmed goldfish brained

[Xaanka]

Here you go mom's basement virgin nazis:

https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2017/05/james-comey-trump-investigation/

In a court filing in this case on April 6, 2017, a Justice Department attorney representing the FBI informed the Court that there is an “active, ongoing investigation” pertaining to this matter and claimed that disclosing the “records that are responsive to the Russia Request” could reasonably be expected to interfere with “enforcement proceedings.” (As noted elsewhere in the DOJ/FBI’s new filing, the term “Russia Request” refers explicitly to Shapiro and Leopold’s FOIA request quoted above.) The DOJ/FBI’s new court filing acknowledges the existence of records responsive to Shapiro and Leopold’s “Russia Request”, and claimed that all, or virtually all, of these documents cannot be released because of the potential to interfere with active law enforcement proceedings.

hey dude you know clapper testified that he could not say russia was interfering with the election the other day right? :rolleyes: nice infowars link u nutter.

[Xaanka]

lol the "Russian Hak0rz", a half-wit made up that shit. Has about as much merit as HRC running a fair campaign against Bernie lolololol

no no you wanna know who threw the elections and put the clone of Hitler in the seat rather than that pristine and wholly upstanding righteous goddess HRC? She was going to go for "full disclosure" and reveal teh alienz, and teh alienz just didn't want to be disclosed, so they HaKz0rD the elections directly from the RED planet. See? Red?!? Just like Soviet Russia! See?!? See?!? ewwww them Red Soviet Russian, it's all their fault. They anti-WOMAN!!! They HATE WOMEN, that's it! Making youtube videos on that giant RT news network just completely destroyed DEMOCRACY. WOLVERINES!!!!!


Russians...
/facepalm

its easy to do when for these people who get their news from cnn buzzfeed and the young turks instead of idk, actually watching the court proceedings on cspan where anyone with a pair of brain cells to rub together can clearly see it's nothing more than an obstructionist conspiracy theory with zero credibility, and nothing more than a shallow attempt to cover up the already-exposed DNC corruption.

its pretty telling enough they need a law school dropout to spoon feed them lies at a 4th grade reading level, also known as a MSM news article, to believe anything.

but here's an interesting thought exercise: even if russia was the source behind wikileaks (LOL) how did they interfere with the election beyond educating american voters with confirmed accurate and factual information?

oh yeah this is all just some nerds whining that they lost, who are too fat to go outside and block traffic every weekend like the "normal" cucks do.

as a liberal, yall embarrass me.

[Daywolf]

The Clinton's have always done this. When Bubba was in the WH, it was just non stop. The media loved it because it was reality show ratings. A whole shitstorm when HRC got a job from 0bama. Stevens dead after being abandoned (what did he know and was going to reveal???), selling our cruise missile tech to Russia, a bunch of other war toys along with 20% of our uranium. We built them their own version of Silicon Valley, what a gift! Now they are about to put super sonic ICBM's into service and everyone is freaking as if we didn't help them do that, as if out of the blue. Clinton's are just filthy, and this whole Russian hacking junk is just the same old bullshit. You guys really do want to DIAF, don't you?...

This is such an inside job, someone leaked from inside, leaked their emails. They're guilty, as usual. Now it's all about lying her way out of possible prison one day, that she prolly truly deserves. You guys buy that, so obvious, pretty desperate and blind. Endanger all our lives, these Clintons are filth.


But really, it makes no sense. Dems hate this guy, blame him for helping Trump and screwing up the election for HRC. Now they are ticked off he's fired? I mean if this left wing conspiracy theory is true, why the hell would you want him investigating Trump now? And when he 100% clears Trump, you're going to accept that? This is just deceptive political BS to cry and whine over something by the media.

[Xaanka]

well at this point i think the russia conspiracy is a last ditch effort to protect Obama after all the confirmation we've received, now including statements under oath, of the surveillance and intentional unmasking of Flynn on the Trump campaign.

only the most naive nutjobs still believe that narrative after the incident in Syria.. most of the left have abandoned it and the MSM aren't far behind.

[Daywolf]

Well the best that could happen is it all go away. Unfortunately they are not. They are determined to cause trouble, even while 0bama lives blocks from the WH. 4/5 of the govt are still 0bama appointees. This is all unprecedented, never seen anything like it, all in resistance. At least Trump hasn't been shot yet like Reagan, the last outsider that made it in. And if it happened, wouldn't know which direction it came from, and you can see it in Trumps eyes all their needling from every side is going to increase his aging. I've never seen the US so divided. Whole world is melting, and we are still too wrapped up in petty bickering. Recipe for disaster. Not only threats overseas, riot season is almost here.

[Xaanka]

something something Nietzsche predicted this

[Nilstoniakrath]

but here's an interesting thought exercise: even if russia was the source behind wikileaks (LOL) how did they interfere with the election beyond educating american voters with confirmed accurate and factual information?

Exactly. The leaks actually were a partial counterbalance to Clinton hiding emails that should have been in the public domain. And the MSM and Big Media and Big Academia and every other major US institution using their power to elect Hillary.

[Ahldagor]

And the echo chamber of the politically cucked grows.

So what y'all think about Graham wanting to investigate Trump's business dealings with Russia? Posted the link a couple pages back.

[Xaanka]

please would at least one cuckold explain to be what your mental ideas of "russian interference" would realistically be in an election where Trump mostly won in paper ballot states and we already learned the press was in the pocket of the DNC so it couldn't have been that either.. are you guys just really upset about rt.com or something?

[Ahldagor]

please would at least one cuckold explain to be what your mental ideas of "russian interference" would realistically be in an election where Trump mostly won in paper ballot states and we already learned the press was in the pocket of the DNC so it couldn't have been that either.. are you guys just really upset about rt.com or something?

Archaic generalization with no merit, grats? What about Graham's desire (the question I'm concerned with)? Politics is a game of images and Prssident Trump sucks at it.

[Xaanka]

hey while we're at it...
is it really ethical for democratic party super pacs with connections to china, britain, israel and various middle eastern entities to be paying people and renting botnets to spam the comments sections of news articles, reddit, twitter, facebook, 4pol, 8pol, etc and infiltrate the staff of said websites.
doesn't that sound like foreign interference in an election?

In addition to Brock's various entities (shareblue, correct the record, media matters etc), Hillary has a superpac doing the same while taking money from all over the mid east, there's a couple Israeli ones out there supporting the dem party, etc.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/democrat-propaganda-group-shareblue-has-ties-chinese-government-host-foreign-special

I don't think there are any known orgs doing this for the conservative side. at least not any that take foreign money.

[Xaanka]

>game of images
>sucks at it
>literally POTUS coming from being a reality tv person

fuck my dude... do you even reality? like at all?
also GJ dodging the question, why even reply?

[Xaanka]

the above superpac, with strong ties to china, consisted of the majority of comments and likes/upvotes/etc supporting my city's democratic party pedophile mayor who was recently outed. every single comment defending the pedophile was a fake profile from out of state and if you googled their post history it's obvious they're David Brock's goons.

he eventually stepped down due to overwhelming pressure from the public, but they legitimately used a chinese funded shitposting crew to try to run a known pedophile for mayor of fucking Seattle. current fucking year.

these foreign government US operated shitposting crews are very well known and well documented, proven things, and yet not a single mainstream media outlet has once mentioned it. meanwhile CNN harps on about russian conspiracy theories and putin fantasies serving as a convenient coping mechanism for the loss you're experiencing from losing the election, a screen for unlawful behavior by the Obama admin, and a distraction from what's really happening in the world. Dummies like you gulp it down like daddy's cummies.

[Xaanka]

russia is like a pacifier for your weak minds. you are like a little baby. low quality posts will no longer be permitted now that the #1 forums poster has returned.

[Jarnauga]

ITT:

http://i.imgur.com/GHIhC9b.jpg

[Xaanka]

I didn't make a single post referencing emails. Now please answer my question, what exactly do you mean when you say "Russian interference" ???

[Ahldagor]

>game of images
>sucks at it
>literally POTUS coming from being a reality tv person

fuck my dude... do you even reality? like at all?
also GJ dodging the question, why even reply?

Lol, Fippy jr.

Terrible analogy that doesn't hold water with discernment, so back to my question on Senator Graham wanting to investigate Trump's business dealings with Russia.

[Xaanka]

what exactly do you mean when you say "Russian interference" ???

[Pokesan]

report 4 spam

[Daywolf]

report 4 spam
^ is upset thread isn't dominated by leftist posts today, to him opposing opinion is always "spam".

ITT:
[/IMG]
uuuuh wut? You still don't get it. This isn't about finding guilt, she was already caught red handed over the emails, moving top secret communications over an unregistered and unsecured server which is damn illegal. This is all about smoke and mirrors and shifting her own responsibility to a conspiracy theory that has turned up ZIP proof to this day on every try.

This is all about a far left conspiracy theory! Just like I said the other day, you guys are by far bigger conspiracy theory nuts than you claim I am. This shit about as bad as crazy flat earth theory. This while HRC sold the kitchen sink to Russia, millions of dollars donated to her Clinton Foundation by them after giving everything away to Russia, war tech and all. And now you guys are worried about finding Trumps business dealings with Russia?!? And Comey is the super hero that is going to expose Trump and prove your conspiracy theory?!? And now the conspiracy theory deepens lol "It must be all true, look he fired Comey!" After the dems have been crying for him to be fired.

lol you are all bad bad conspiracy theorists! Whacked out stuff here. And sadly, pushing us closer to war just to save face for HRC or something. This is beyond senile...

[mickmoranis]

Hey guys, I have an idea, lets talk about something super low brow and stupid, you know, like the type of stuff the most deplorable people on both the left and right talk about: hillary clintons emails

TAKE IT TO FACEBOOK

[Daywolf]

Seriously, sharks in the water! Here is the state department welcoming a Russian ambassador to talks about the middle-east crisis etc where talks were resuming after talks in Moscow. https://youtu.be/gVYJGKJ0pyM Trying to work out some peace, or at least avoid a big shooting war.

Yeah yeah the ambassador is here due to Comey getting fired and the state department working with Russia (hak0rz) working out how they are going to cover their butts after scamming the US election process totally out of spite for HRC that poor poor woman. All going according to plan. Just glad they got Comey out of the way, it's something that will overshadow all aspects of the talks no doubt. Clinton MSM asking the important questions.

I'd say this is all hilarious if it weren't so senile. It's like laughing at a sick and dying person in a hospital bed. I mean seriously, "is the Comey firing going to cast a shadow over your talks?" ?? It's all encompassing, MSM desperate to find something so to defend their goddess HRC and clear her good name, at any cost, whatever conspiracy theory it takes. Maybe they can break into the talks, and turn the conversation to what's important, to just how guilty Putin and Trump are after this miserable defeat against true and fair democracy.

Hey guys, I have an idea, lets talk about something super low brow and stupid, you know, like the type of stuff the most deplorable people on both the left and right talk about: hillary clintons emails

TAKE IT TO FACEBOOK
Yeah becasue we can only talk about stuff here that makes Hillary, 0bama, Kerry etc look good while bashing Trump. Lets not ever point out the lunacy of the left. This is the Trump bashing thread or gtfo
:rolleyes:

[mickmoranis]

no if you talk about hillaries emails, it makes you sound stupid, fat and crazy.

[Daywolf]

no if you talk about hillaries emails, it makes you sound stupid, fat and crazy.
Sooooooooo.... HRC gets her illegal emails hacked/leaked, found guilty but let go due to "intention" which the law makes no distinction of intention (free pass), she blames it on Russians, calls for Comey to be fired, Trump fires Comey, now Clinton and friends are angry Comey was fired, who supposedly screwed over HRC.. And this has nothing to do with email and we are crazy but not youuuuu. lol

She was just out there blaming "Russian Wikileaks" on the emails last week, blaming Comey for her loss. Still at it! Still at it! It's the Russians, it's those dirty Russians! You don't know what a conspiracy theory is or something? And this is your only defense as you bat for the left. Even Pokesan (well Pokemoran) cant think of a word but try to shut down any conversation, to hide it all away.

You are all really dishonest. This is big, and big in that it only shows the stupidity of the left once again. The left that hijacked the democrat party, these progressives, these establishment political elite. The same ones that burnt your Bernie to the ground. How can anyone ever take you seriously?

[mickmoranis]

this is big

BIG NEWS

BIG NEWS HILLARIES EMAILS

THIS IS BIG!

ITS BIG

:rolleyes:

[Daywolf]

:rolleyes:
She was just literally crying about her emails last week, just last week! This all comes from that, the email leak. The whole damn comey controversy. Are are you drunk at work, Pokemoran?!? :D


Weren't you just upset I wasn't defending Trump when you directly called me out for whatever reason? I already knew he was a bit weak on the Constitution before he was elected; he's not a hard constitutionalist like Rand Paul who was my first choice above anyone else by far.

But here you are now with a double standard. I chose not to defend it, a comment from Trump that was off-base but whatever, he can't do anything about it. Now you are upset because you just can't defend your idol, and so you want everyone else to stfu. I didn't even tell you to do that, I don't care what you say, but if the shoe is on the other foot you show double standard, and I didn't even call you out to defend this like you did to me.

[mickmoranis]

who cares? You seriously spend your time listening to Hillary clinton? What a joke.

[Daywolf]

confirmed double standard, sad sad.

[mickmoranis]

I just dont care about nonfactors in politics. You do. You care about witches and ghosts.

[Daywolf]

double standards double standards. This is exposing the left for it's true nature, bunch of whack far left conspiracy theorists desperate to hold on to some shred of power after losing a prideful certain win certain by their superiority complex. I doubt at the top they even believe the Russian conspiracy junk, it's all just smoke and mirrors as how the Clintons have always done things. Even against Bernie. Just as long as you believe it. What is the problem? "Well that depends on what your definition of "is" is". --Bubba C.
double standards double standards tisk tisk

[mickmoranis]

how about the double standard where you dont care if trump does it but you care so much about Hillary that after the investigation is over and she lost the election and has no hope in politics, you cant stop talking about her?

I dislike both of these people, you chose to like one. Thats a double standard FYI

[Xaanka]

no if you talk about hillaries emails, it makes you sound stupid, fat and crazy.

lol i love how hard they have to dodge this

and this..

what exactly do you mean when you say "Russian interference" ???

it's almost as if they know they're wrong. it's pretty telling that pokesan, Ahldagor, Jarnauga, mick etc all had an immediate meltdown when i posted and are all afraid to engage me in any kind of debate, knowing my intellectual superiority.

the only reason you chucklefucks have your circlejerk thread is because the mods ban anyone with anything less than conspiracy-theory extreme left views. lmao.

[Xaanka]

how about the double standard where you dont care if trump does it but you care so much about Hillary that after the investigation is over and she lost the election and has no hope in politics, you cant stop talking about her?

I dislike both of these people, you chose to like one. Thats a double standard FYI

reminder, you can not even describe what "russian interference" means

you are a conspiracy theory nut

here's the thing dog. the hillary email scandal which nobody's talking about except you guys, that's proven and cemented in fact. that was all publicly released. that's why i'm not talking about it. it's old news until somebody gets subpoenaed over something.

the illegal intentional unmasking of flynn? again, proven fact confirmed through statements under oath. Obama's knowledge of this? the same. Obama's use of british intel agencies to spy on the Trump admin in order to circumvent US law? again also confirmed fact.

meanwhile you can't even describe to me "what" your conspiracy theory is. it has to be some vague nebulous thing, because it isn't real. there is no evidence for your conspiracy, but there are statements under oath (clapper etc) confirming that russia had no ties with Trump.

alternate facts, alternate reality.

[Xaanka]

I just dont care about nonfactors in politics.

yo how many senate and house seats do the democrats have? :D:D:D:cool:

[Daywolf]

how about the double standard where you dont care if trump does it but you care so much about Hillary that after the investigation is over and she lost the election and has no hope in politics, you cant stop talking about her?

I dislike both of these people, you chose to like one. Thats a double standard FYI
Do what? What did Trump do? He said something people disagreed with, not the first time. What did HRC do? What didn't she do? pfff and caught doing it, not just talking, apart from all her hot air talk trying to do a cover-up using a conspiracy theory.

Doesn't matter if you don't like her, no one likes her, and the same supported her, even in your supposed superior blue states. She couldn't even fill election rallies in her blue states, had to green screen people in to make it look legit, legit like in red states. Nobody likes her.

Can't stop talking about her? Tell her to go away!! She can't stop sticking her fat head in the window with that balloon drop look. Wooooooooooooo....

Look at Bernie, he went away ... after HRC cheated and humiliated him... then bought him a house lol.
Tell her and your 0bama to go away, then we'll all stop talking about it.

[mickmoranis]

Hey obama and hillary, GO AWAY

there u go, idk what else I can do

[Pokesan]

the fbi are leftwing conspiracy nuts, apparently

good shit xaanka

[Pokesan]

the trump administration directly referencing hillarys emails in comeys dismissal letter

gee i wonder why mick is talking about that! must live in an alternate reality huh! SNOWFLAKE!

[Ahldagor]

And the echo chamber of the politically cucked grows.

So what y'all think about Graham wanting to investigate Trump's business dealings with Russia? Posted the link a couple pages back.

So where did I go on about HRC? Graham's potential Senate inquiry is being buried by most mainstream outlets, but I'm curious of opinions. Tangents aren't a direct reply especially with so many assumptions going around. Xaanka, you have no supported claim at the moment.

[AzzarTheGod]

the trump administration directly referencing hillarys emails in comeys dismissal letter

gee i wonder why mick is talking about that! must live in an alternate reality huh! SNOWFLAKE!

the chief nose has them looking left and right frantically straight out of a saturday morning cartoon.

And you are right pokes, Comey's handling of the email investigation pertaining to testimony given to congress re: the Weiner forwarding was cited as the specific reason for the firing. Not the fact she wasn't indicted or investigated properly. He was fired because of the fact he compromised her chances by lying to congress about the scope of the Weiner emails (you know, when federal search warrants were issued to seize Huma and Weiner's property? That made headline news nation wide, nothing else in the email scandal mattered at that point except the search and seizure warrants being issued)

Protip: those were the only criminal search and seizure warrants issued the entire investigation. the rest was done via subpoena. Then we find out Comey is lying about the scope of the Weiner emails and that the whole thing was blown out of proportion.

Liar. Fired. cya.

He is doing Hillary and the left a solid by giving Hillary a strong nod of agreement that Comey caused her to lose the election in a roundabout way.

[entruil]

NEW TESTAMENT NEW TESTAMENT its in the NEW TESTAMENT GUYS IT MUST BE REALLY HAPPENING FINALLY

I tried to read some stuff... mick you may have a point if you include the demon pope and televangelists... otherwise you are just strumming the out of tune guitar...

people create their own luck... if enough people believe something it will become true...

Newton explained this a long time ago i believe...

sidenote: to think comey had any choices shows the clouded fallacy we are being shown...

[Daywolf]

Then we find out Comey is lying about the scope of the Weiner emails and that the whole thing was blown out of proportion.

Liar. Fired. cya.

He is doing Hillary and the left a solid by giving Hillary a strong nod of agreement that Comey caused her to lose the election in a roundabout way.
Only about some emails that were never seen. The ones that were seen were enough to hurt her plenty, even to have Comey admit to her doing wrong, which she did. But then he pulls some "no intention" BS that is not a part of the law. The law doesn't factor guilt or innocence by "intention", that was Comeys wrong doing.

But the missing emails didn't make her lose, even the damning emails we did see didn't make her lose. What made her lose is she didn't put enough effort into the battleground states, she was all over the map too much. Trump focused in on the key states, put everything into that. I mean that's what it comes down to, not emails, not Russians, not Comey, HRC screwed up and cant admit it was all her fault.

Comey should have been fired day one. I wish the Dems would just make up their minds :D Two days ago he was crap, but today he is the last hope for world peace lol

[Rader]

Dems would suck Hitler's dick and gargle the cum if it made one person not like Trump.

[Ahldagor]

Beep beep mother fucker

[Daywolf]

And even if anyone still thinks that, about the bulk emails, just remember WHO was demanding they be seen! And all we got was ridiculed and mocked by the opposition and all their many supporters including in this forum. If you had listened to us, this would have never happened :P A little cooperation and we would have all found out there were no bulk emails. And that would have been fine, because the originals were all that were needed. Buuuut wrong choice as usual, right guys? :rolleyes:

[AenorVZ]

hey dude you know clapper testified that he could not say russia was interfering with the election the other day right? :rolleyes: nice infowars link u nutter.

Here let me link you the source directly from Infowars:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/opinions/yates-was-headliner-but-clapper-stole-the-show-kayyem/index.html

Oh wait ...

"The Intelligence Community Assessment concluded first that President Putin directed and influenced campaign to erode the faith and confidence of the American people in our presidential election process. Second, that he did so to demean Secretary Clinton, and third, that he sought to advantage Mr. Trump. These conclusions were reached based on the richness of the information gathered and analyzed and were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me."

How's that basement lyfe?

[AenorVZ]

This is all about smoke and mirrors and shifting her own responsibility to a conspiracy theory that has turned up ZIP proof to this day on every try.

They must be really wasting those grand juries' time if there's no proof.

https://twitter.com/truefactsstated/status/862161999949688832

[AzzarTheGod]

They must be really wasting those grand juries' time if there's no proof.

https://twitter.com/truefactsstated/status/862161999949688832

the dunks. grand jury was being impaneled just prior to Comey's firing.

[AenorVZ]

http://i.imgur.com/1zNZoFW.mp4

[Daywolf]

They must be really wasting those grand juries' time if there's no proof.

https://twitter.com/truefactsstated/status/862161999949688832
He worked for 0bama. Accused to have failed to report a $45k payment after working an event in Russia. Then some unfounded accusations by a Russian media outlet claiming he stole the emails. This is proof?? Proof because they subpoena his associates to review business records? Digging for dirt while no stone go unturned, proof.

Business with Russia. Hey why don't we subpoena HRC over her business dealings with Russia? Like selling our cruise missile tech to Russia and taking a generous donation to her Clinton foundation after the deal. Or how about selling 20% of all our uranium to Russia, more $$$ for that Hillary foundation. Or how about we just wait for that reset button to fully kick in and they send back our cruise missiles and uranium in the form of FUCKING mushroom clouds over the US? Hell, Russia will prolly call HRC with a thank you and pre-attack warning giving her enough time to relocate to fffffffffrance!

[AzzarTheGod]

Or how about we just wait for that reset button to fully kick in and they send back our cruise missiles and uranium in the form of FUCKING mushroom clouds over the US

lmao the fat king has them in a tizzy this week

keep slanging that war to get a sense of importance that doesn't rely on currency.

meanwhile zog is stacking big bread. "it doesnt matter its fake money" yeah, they said the same thing till they started stackin some bands of their own lmao. everyone wanna not focus on money in America until their food costs rise, home ownership disappears, and bank account empties out.

keep sucking the warhawk dick.

[AenorVZ]

Congress can't even see the evidence because it's part of an ongoing FBI investigation that has moved to grand jury for potential subpoenas and indictments. How are any of us supposed to know what "proof" exists or doesn't? Please catch up on the news cycle and update your talking points.

[AzzarTheGod]

what about the FUCKING mushroom clouds and that FUCKING 20% URANIUM SALE

*chokes on alt right talking points and turns purple*

[Ahldagor]

I'll post this again


https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39860330

[Daywolf]

what about the FUCKING mushroom clouds and that FUCKING 20% URANIUM SALE

*chokes on alt right talking points and turns purple* You know what the point was, it's about business dealings. My post is a lot more understandable than yours.

Congress can't even see the evidence because it's part of an ongoing FBI investigation that has moved to grand jury for potential subpoenas and indictments. How are any of us supposed to know what "proof" exists or doesn't? Please catch up on the news cycle and update your talking points.
Are you young? I mean... if not you should know stuff like this surrounding the Clintons never ever ever ends. This is how they roll.
.... and prolly soon a fresh trail of dead bodies will start showing up again.

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/4nsqyD6.png

choo choo motherfuckers

[Daywolf]

In only 3 days dems changed their tune...

Comey, a-ah, saviour of the universe
Comey, a-ah, he'll save everyone of us
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Comey, a-ah, he's a miracle
Comey, a-ah, king of the impossible
He's for everyone of us
Stand for everyone of us
He'll save with a mighty hand
Every man, every woman
Every child, with the mighty Comey
Comey, a-ah
Comey, a-ah,…


At least I understand the delay now, why after EVERYONE wanted this guy fired and Trump didn't fire him the ~first day. Trump only hired the new director of national inelegance two weeks ago, who is the guy that recommends the seat for the FBI director. The FBI director reports to the NI director, not to Trump.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything else other than Comey keeping active in ways that may result in delaying his inevitable departure that EVERYONE wanted and he knew it. Him getting fired is just timing of the process. But you know, gotta turn it into some big damn conspiracy theory. Nothing stopping an investigation here, and WTF would dems want this guy leading an investigation is beyond me. It's all total BS, depraved minds hard at work.

[Daywolf]

Acting FBI Director REFUTES Reports that Comey Asked for More Funding for Russia Investigation http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/acting-fbi-director-refutes-reports-comey-asked-funding-russia-investigation-video/
Yeah it turns out to be total BS, you guys got conned by Fake News MSM again to work you up into a frenzy and raise their ratings. Ha-Haa!

[Pokesan]

Acting FBI Director REFUTES Reports that Comey Asked for More Funding for Russia Investigation http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/acting-fbi-director-refutes-reports-comey-asked-funding-russia-investigation-video/
Yeah it turns out to be total BS, you guys got conned by Fake News MSM again to work you up into a frenzy and raise their ratings. Ha-Haa!

you're the first to mention a russia funding request ITT

arguing with your own farts there boss

[Nilstoniakrath]

you're the first to mention a russia funding request ITT

arguing with your own farts there boss

Farts are better at debate than you are.

[Pokesan]

Farts are better at debate than you are.

what

[AenorVZ]

Rocket docket lmao ... still obsessed with Clinton? Time to update your talking points.

https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/862728604177895424

[Pokesan]

tarrasque. tribulation. the second music.

[AzzarTheGod]

lmao look at this Trump supporters video at the top of this article

the nose has them in a tizzy http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39886496

its all dick sucking right wing talking points. a dick per each mouth. never before has a president bombed so hard. the media is tooling on his ass meanwhile the tax reform is a hoax

[Daywolf]

you're the first to mention a russia funding request ITT

arguing with your own farts there boss
YeeAAaah like 6 months ago. This isn't new news, dude. You guys have been on the Russian thing since last year. The whole thing has been an MSM scam. They're all angry there is alternative news networks to compete with, and with HRC OUT they will never be able to outlaw them ... unless they take desperate measures. But still, the brainwashed will be brainwashed as you buy tampons and Viagra after watching their commercials.

[Pokesan]

YeeAAaah like 6 months ago. This isn't new news, dude. You guys have been on the Russian thing since last year. The whole thing has been an MSM scam. They're all angry there is alternative news networks to compete with, and with HRC OUT they will never be able to outlaw them ... unless they take desperate measures. But still, the brainwashed will be brainwashed as you buy tampons and Viagra after watching their commercials.

there has always been alternative news, fairytales have been around forever.

[Ahldagor]

there has always been alternative news, fairytales have been around forever.

And they shift according to culture similarly to the way in which the politically cucked postrationalise how someone worse than Nixon and Reagan combined is fucking up.

[mickmoranis]

there has always been alternative news, fairytales have been around forever.

Fox was the king of alternative facts until we just turned FOX into mainstream journalism.

[mickmoranis]

FBI raids Trump election consulting firm.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel/ph-ac-cn-fbi-raid-0512-20170511-story.html

The firm being raided (Strategic Campaign Group) lists its Treasurer as an Alexandria, Va. resident named Scott Mackenzie.Scott Mackenzie was also the Treasurer for the PAC "Patriots for Trump", which raised over $300,000 for Trump's campaign in less than two months. When the PAC was abruptly shut down, Scott Mackenzie said they could not return that $300,000 to the donors because "it had already been spent" FEC filings show that only $122,000 of that $300,000 was actually spent on Trump's campaign.

[Jarnauga]

http://i.imgur.com/tgXjAmw.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

And they shift according to culture similarly to the way in which the politically cucked postrationalise how someone worse than Nixon and Reagan combined is fucking up.

*daps hammer*

This is a guy who understands the cheech n chong paradigm

[Nilstoniakrath]

never before has a president bombed so hard.

Obuttmonkey has that on lock down, bud, nice try though.

[entruil]

so much disregarded knowledge and portents.... "Obuttmonkey", wtf is that.. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqBBTm4Bh3k&list=PL8ko0DOLqMHktuc-4icKhV3uP1bIxWPAQ&index=4).

[mickmoranis]

can confirm this year is really shaping up to be the phantom menace quality years

[entruil]

can confirm this year is really shaping up to be the phantom menace quality years

... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Go_BTZDZA&index=7&list=PL8ko0DOLqMHktuc-4icKhV3uP1bIxWPAQ)

*it was broken, I am posting still, and once. if the phantom menace years are new now then sorely specific data was not processed...

careful now because disregard leads to ignorant subterfuge...

[Daywolf]

so much disregarded knowledge and portents.... "Obuttmonkey", wtf is that.. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqBBTm4Bh3k&list=PL8ko0DOLqMHktuc-4icKhV3uP1bIxWPAQ&index=4).
Not hard to decipher once you realize Michelle's real name is Michael Obama and that bulging pouch between Michael's legs is not something you would typically find on a woman ...no not ever. The manly shoulders, the manly fingers, the manly body proportions. Nope, 0buttmonkey not hard to figure I reckon.

[entruil]

lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTnPgZWsZpk&list=PL8ko0DOLqMHktuc-4icKhV3uP1bIxWPAQ&index=13)

[Jarnauga]

Not hard to decipher once you realize Michelle's real name is Michael Obama and that bulging pouch between Michael's legs is not something you would typically find on a woman ...no not ever. The manly shoulders, the manly fingers, the manly body proportions. Nope, 0buttmonkey not hard to figure I reckon.

Obviously when you call a black guy a monkey, it's to raise a doubt about the sex of his wife

English, duh

[AzzarTheGod]

Obviously when you call a black guy a monkey, it's to raise a doubt about the sex of his wife

English, duh

lmao *daps hammer*

[Daywolf]

Obviously when you call a black guy a monkey, it's to raise a doubt about the sex of his wife

English, duh

You don't know what a BUTT monkey is? Or you just don't understand English you're saying? Trying to pull the race card, eh?

http://i.imgur.com/F7UN6J4.jpg

It's what happens to you after a night on the town with Michael. You're really are that dense, aren't you? >.>

[Jarnauga]

"i'm not a racist but what am sayin is she could be a regular ****** instead of being a trans ******. Well at least she not a mudslime right

OR IS SHE ??? *insert gatewaypundit/breitbart article here"

[Ahldagor]

Lol, Fippy bringing up that conspiracy theory, just lol. The facade is played out or you're that much of a politically cucked moran.

So check you chicken in the coming months,
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39894119

The economic team focused on economics in the first 100 days, huge, tremendous deal. The trade deficit with China will be reduced by the end of the year. Yes, Obama wanted to export beef, open US markets to Chinese food exports with less tariffs, regulations, and mutually open banking markets. China is huge, great country, their leader respects me let me tell you, tremendously, tremendously. Some people will say that this was in TPP, but I can assure you that this deal is better for the USA because the trade deficit with China, I'm not so sure they're really currency manipulators, I mean, are they? Besides, they'll garauntee the quality of their chicken and banking is as high as the quality, no, greater than the quality of my personal, Trump, steaks.

[Daywolf]

No, pretty much conspiracy fact compared tot eh phant0m Russian hack0rz y0u chase around.

It's not out of the closet simply because doing so would damage 0bamas power base, Islam, which would call for his immediate death. He still has aspirations of power, either out of the ashes of our Republic, or to take control of the UN Secretary General seat when available (something the Clinton's death list can see to), or a one world leader of the NWO as some speculate and many have their resume's in for. He's waiting for something there living blocks from the WH, and I doubt he's waiting to be thrown off a rooftop as ilsam does to out of the closet gays. Ok, proceed with denial and defending the religion of pieces on the sidewalk.

[mickmoranis]

IN OTHER NEWS

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2017/05/out-sight-out-mind?fsrc=gnews

To quote the economist: "This is why, perversely, a little segregation might be the second-best cure for our air-culture wars."

http://i.imgur.com/bKcgkUs.jpg

[Daywolf]

"i'm not a racist but what am sayin is she could be a regular ****** instead of being a trans ******. Well at least she not a mudslime right

OR IS SHE ??? *insert gatewaypundit/breitbart article here"
Nah, you're an idiot if by now you don't know from these forums I don't do the race thing at all, even push back against it. There is only one race, and that is the human race, literally. Most of your race crap comes from your atheistic religion of fake science.

There is real science and then there is your spaghetti monster science that continues to hold to macro-evolution (as opposed to micro-evolution which is scientific fact but far far from macro-evolution) which you get "races" from and all the negative consequences by it (e.g. Hitler and the holocaust etc). It's your religion of denial; everything opposite of what it claims to be, for purposes of money and power at the expense of unadulterated truth.

But what is truth to you? Just an end result after all the lies are told and all opposition eliminated so to say otherwise?

[Ahldagor]

Nah, you're an idiot if by now you don't know from these forums I don't do the race thing at all, even push back against it. There is only one race, and that is the human race, literally. Most of your race crap comes from your atheistic religion of fake science.

There is real science and then there is your spaghetti monster science that continues to hold to macro-evolution (as opposed to micro-evolution which is scientific fact but far far from macro-evolution) which you get "races" from and all the negative consequences by it (e.g. Hitler and the holocaust etc). It's your religion of denial; everything opposite of what it claims to be, for purposes of money and power at the expense of unadulterated truth.

But what is truth to you? Just an end result after all the lies are told and all opposition eliminated so to say otherwise?

Lol. Just lol. Lololololololololololololololololololololololol

[mickmoranis]

Lol. Just lol. Lololololololololololololololololololololololol

I watched Imperium the other night, it was like a movie about successful versions of p99 offtopic forum posters.

thats right, day wolf is less successful than a fictional depiction of a failure white supremacist domestic terrorist.

[Ahldagor]

I watched Imperium the other night, it was like a movie about successful versions of p99 offtopic forum posters.

thats right, day wolf is less successful than a fictional depiction of a failure white supremacist domestic terrorist.

Nazi Potter? Might have to check that one out. Me thinks Radcliffe may have some acting talent, but not sure.

[mickmoranis]

its basically like a performance piece where actors read offtopic forum posts from p99

[Ahldagor]

its basically like a performance piece where actors read offtopic forum posts from p99

Now it's climbing my to watch list

[AzzarTheGod]

its basically like a performance piece where actors read offtopic forum posts from p99

i find radcliffe very uncharismatic as an actor, i have watched MANY of his movies.

I will still watch his movies, but I don't think he has any star power. At least he hasn't shown any yet.

[mickmoranis]

i find radcliffe very uncharismatic as an actor, i have watched MANY of his movies.

I will still watch his movies, but I don't think he has any star power. At least he hasn't shown any yet.

yea by no means should you watch this movie if you want to see radcliff perform

Definitly watch it to listen to people talk about the ZOG and stuff though.

Also they drop some pretty seriously deep arguments in favor of white supremacy and the counter arguments to them are "How can you argue with that"

So idk it might be a secret ZOG killing propaganda film idk

[Xaanka]

yo just checking in to see if these chumps even know what "russian interference" is

[Pokesan]

yo just checking in to see if these chumps even know what "russian interference" is

coordination with the trump campaign

do you always ask dumb questions?

[Pokesan]

*absent mindedly trolls in favor of Reagan-level treason*

[Rader]

coordination with the trump campaign

do you always ask dumb questions?

Serious question for the Dems here. What, exactly, did the Russians do that was so horrible? Tamper with voting machines? Put out blatantly false news stories? Pass debate questions to Trump beforehand? Plant biased moderators into the debates? Bribe voters? Mail in fraudulent absentee ballots? Spy on the opposition candidate by the sitting POTUS? Anything that the libs don't do each and every election? Methinks that anything substantial would already be leaked to the press and be hyped to death by the lamestream media 24/7/365 already.

[Pokesan]

Serious question for the Dems here. What, exactly, did the Russians do that was so horrible? Tamper with voting machines? Put out blatantly false news stories? Pass debate questions to Trump beforehand? Plant biased moderators into the debates? Bribe voters? Mail in fraudulent absentee ballots? Spy on the opposition candidate by the sitting POTUS? Anything that the libs don't do each and every election? Methinks that anything substantial would already be leaked to the press and be hyped to death by the lamestream media 24/7/365 already.

i didn't vote for hillary, voter fraud doesn't real, none of this excuses colluding with a foreign power(capital T Treason)

james o'keefe(project veritas) is a convicted fraudster, wake the fuck up and ignore him

[mickmoranis]

I cant wait to see how this plays out. If history has taught me anything, it will get us a politician chanting lock him up in 2020 and not much more than that.

[Rader]

i didn't vote for hillary, voter fraud doesn't real, none of this excuses colluding with a foreign power(capital T Treason)

james o'keefe(project veritas) is a convicted fraudster, wake the fuck up and ignore him

I asked for specific instances of a crime, you stupid fuck

[mickmoranis]

I asked for specific instances of a crime, you stupid fuck

teh problem with america is its full of Americans that think that other Americans should know everything about whatever you challenge them over, even though they are both unemployed and will never have an impact on anyone, let alone an FBI investigation.

I dont need to go to space to know I cant breathe out there.

[Pokesan]

I asked for specific instances of a crime, you stupid fuck

treason is a crime, you illiterate donkey

[Rader]

teh problem with america is its full of Americans that think that other Americans should know everything about whatever you challenge them over, even though they are both unemployed and will never have an impact on anyone, let alone an FBI investigation.

I dont need to go to space to know I cant breathe out there.

I just want to hear a specific act that the Russians did that made such a huge fucking difference in the election. It is ok if you can't make one up, I know you are kinda slow.

[Pokesan]

http://i.imgur.com/tExQ9o4.gif

[Rader]

treason is a crime, you illiterate donkey

So then spit up one fucking fact supporting your allegation of treason.

[Pokesan]

I just want to hear a specific act that the Russians did that made such a huge fucking difference in the election. It is ok if you can't make one up, I know you are kinda slow.

wikileaks has been compromised and turned into a tool of the FSB. donny embraced this foreign propaganda agency for their mutual goals.

have you never heard of an october surprise?

[mickmoranis]

I just want to hear a specific act that the Russians did that made such a huge fucking difference in the election. It is ok if you can't make one up, I know you are kinda slow.

well, like me, you're going to have to wait for the FBI to tell you. Aint nobody here know lol

[AzzarTheGod]

james o'keefe(project veritas) is a convicted fraudster, wake the fuck up and ignore him

hes the guy the GOP pays while looking away in disgust, really.

u missed him standing awkwardly while Sean Hannity discussed his latest video footage on voter fraud with Donald Trump Jr. (think thats his name, the black haired one, not eric) he walked over and Hannity was like "And theres James O'Keefe now!!" giving him an offhanded shoutout on the floor of the convention while not leaning or opening the circle at all to let him in, or extending any bodylanguage that he wanted to do so.

the footage is out there somewhere. its a decent watch to see him completely miss the non-verbal by Hannity and try to stand there in a VERY tight shot of Sean + Trump Jr being interviewed as an outside goober with nobody else even remotely around for the entire 20 solid minutes.

It was a SOLID 15 minutes of standing awkwardly by as if Sean had flagged him for some primetime TV interview time while Trump Jr. went through question after question by Hannity (it was a pretty serious interview, which makes it even more hilarious with the autistic low social IQ goober standing there for an hour before he took a hint) No such luck, and while Hannity will report on his stories, he has not, and will not interview him. Nobody including the GOP electorate want to hear from him.

He is arguably the bastard child of Roger Stone (sick refs i know)

[Xaanka]

coordination with the trump campaign

do you always ask dumb questions?

ok so what evidence can you show me of this, and why are you so elusive/defensive about it? if this is something you genuinely believe surely you could maybe explain your reasoning?

[Rader]

well, like me, you're going to have to wait for the FBI to tell you. Aint nobody here know lol

Obviously you and all the other dems are phishing, your only evidence is that wild hair you pulled out of your @$$.

[Xaanka]

public confidence in the fbi is like zero
the russia investigation has been going on since forever and ??? nothing has happened
anyone can watch any house or senate footage from this year and it'll instantly make you stop giving a shit because it's just a constant excuse for obstructionism from a failed party that really should be more focused on coming up with a platform by 2018 because lol

[Ahldagor]

public confidence in the fbi is like zero
the russia investigation has been going on since forever and ??? nothing has happened
anyone can watch any house or senate footage from this year and it'll instantly make you stop giving a shit because it's just a constant excuse for obstructionism from a failed party that really should be more focused on coming up with a platform by 2018 because lol

Weak bait dismissing potential treason, kind of anti-nationalistic of you.

[Jarnauga]

Office of the Director of National Intelligence (https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf):

http://i.imgur.com/FVxjtmN.png

Testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, then-FBI Director James Comey: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-transcript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/?utm_term=.9c0b07074465)

http://i.imgur.com/RKdju4J.png
http://i.imgur.com/BRBL7Su.png

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/12/politics/james-clapper-james-comey-donald-trump-russia/)

http://i.imgur.com/29jBWmp.png

European intelligence agencies warned US intelligence agencies: (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia?CMP=ShareApp_)

http://i.imgur.com/fCFPtyE.png

You wanna know the best one ? Both House and Senate committees are conducting their own investigations.. and they're both controlled by republicans.

BUT YEAH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE BOIS, fucking demoncrats libturds taking golfing time away from Great Leader Trump !!1!! SAD !

[Pokesan]

ok so what evidence can you show me of this, and why are you so elusive/defensive about it? if this is something you genuinely believe surely you could maybe explain your reasoning?

the game is that i must convince the pizzagate weirdo trump did a bad?

pass. the fbi is investigating trump and he's trying to impede them. that's plenty of smoke to expect a fire.

[mickmoranis]

You wanna know the best one ? Both House and Senate committees are conducting their own investigations.. and they're both controlled by republicans.

BUT YEAH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE BOIS, fucking demoncrats libturds taking golfing time away from Great Leader Trump !!1!! SAD !

what bothers me about you people, is you people would rather argue with republicans on facebook than actually get involved in local politics and oust the crooked people IN the democrat party. Something you could actually do instead of a pipe dream as hopeless as proving Obama was a muslim.

So essentially all I see you saying is, "I only like one type of crooked"

which means, I think I'll just vote for the guy that looks like he will turn this country in to a pile of rubble like yall deserve.

[AzzarTheGod]

cant wait to get woke on russia with the next james okeefe flick

[Daywolf]

Lol. Just lol. Lololololololololololololololololololololololol
Life on Earth is impossible. You don't even need to be a creationist to acknowledged that, plenty of people believe in alien planet seeding, has more likelihood than macro-evolution . Macro-evolution is in the category with man-made global warning, just a BS political chip pushed onto the scene to control people, much like religion in Europe was during the dark ages. Oh and you can add flat earth theory to that category too ...at least as far as being lame.

You believe what you do because it servers your purposes, not because you did any fair research into the subject and made an authentic conclusion. And research beyond the scope some forum posts can cover, but then I don't think you do that with anything.

coordination with the trump campaign
Like wat? Conspiracy theory. They are not investigating Trump, they are investigating that guy on his campaign team, that guy who worked for 0bama too, he didn't properly report money he made in Russia by his own business dealings is the claim. That and some Russian reporter made an accusation he stole the emails, lol? And YOU speak of "clickbait"?

If this is some kind of "plenty of smoke to expect fire" we should lock up 0bama and HRC already for all their direct business dealings selling our war tech and uranium to Russia (a FACT), then taking donations into the Clinton Foundation during it. No, where there is a lack of smoke there is fire, and that fire is all partisan driven BS as they throw a tantrum over losing the WH.

They fell short of reaching their final goal, and they had that goal in grasp, but we threw them out and put in a guy that is now draining the swamp, including that of the FBI director that until this week no one wanted around. You don't grasp the absurdity of that??? As if all investigations now grind to a halt, which they wont. I mean here is HRC whining about him last week how he cost her the election (which is BS), now Trump fired him, so you all are whining he was fired?!?

The only thing they ever had on Trump was that Putin wanted him to win. Yeah?!? Doesn't everyone hate HRC?! ...and considering at the time she wanted to blow Russian jets out of the sky over Syria, who would blame him for wanting Trump elected? If I recall, and I do, 0bama made a world tour during his election. He had everyone in the EU calling for us to elect 0bama. But it's not ok for anyone to want Trump elected. Just petty petty petty. Seriously. And that was all they ever had, which they did themselves too, in fact they did it oversees where Trump never even did the world tour. pfff

wikileaks has been compromised and turned into a tool of the FSB. donny embraced this foreign propaganda agency for their mutual goals. And I'm the notorious conspiracy theorist here? At least the conspiracies I subscribe to (not many) have some shred of evidence. It sometimes takes me years before I decide there is a there there. Like Bush/Towers? I didn't acknowledge it for years, at least not until enough revealed to say it really needs a deep investigation unlike what was done. And still I only have a few points about that, by far not the full onslaught of various points people claim.

Wikileaks is just where all sorts of people drop these whistle blower leaks, how can it be compromised as if it were some alphabet soup agency? Fact is someone blew the whistle on HRC, including what she did to your beloved Bernie. Caught red handed! Now you are angry someone did that? Angry someone stuck you with the truth. What?!?!? Wait, who is more like Grandpa Simpson here??

Whoever leaked that shit I'd think you'd be praising, not jumping on the BS conspiracy theory that HRC cooked up to cover the fact she screwed Bernie into the ground. In - to - the - ground! Now she tries to do it to President Trump! I've never in my life seen such a deep level of pettiness from a losing candidate.

Seriously, pick up a better conspiracy theory. Bush shot Reagan? Truthers? Geoengineering? At least there is something in those :D

A parting gift. Poke, since I don't hate your guts, friend. A right-wing fanatic religious type prophecy (even though I'm politically center much like a libertarian in many ways). One day you'll say "Daywolf was right ...right about everything! :eek: " :D

public confidence in the fbi is like zero
the russia investigation has been going on since forever and ??? nothing has happened
anyone can watch any house or senate footage from this year and it'll instantly make you stop giving a shit because it's just a constant excuse for obstructionism from a failed party that really should be more focused on coming up with a platform by 2018 because lol
Confidence in minus territory :D

And it's not even really partisan, it's just globalism. He's draining the swamp of the globalists and the people they hired. My only real fear about Trump is he becomes naive and trusts them too much. He thinks he can bring some in (e.g. certain bankers) and be able to control them. Yeah, they have a ton of knowledge in the trade, but they can just as easily turn it on him and do real damage.

Then you know there is such a thing as nationalistic globalism, much like Russia aspires too with their ~friend China. China supports this socialist globalism, but only in that in the end they think they can control it with their national globalism at the head, which too they would get burnt much like Trump could by playing with these bankers.

But it all changes. War is coming, that's just how it is. This global struggle is just on that path, it's inevitable, moving to desperate measures, and likely soon as the economy is nothing but a ticking time bomb. That is the big flag for them all to make a move, before resources deplete due to being contested or out of affordable reach, though if they don't kick it off sooner. Stay safe, may be turbulent the remainder of the year.
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I don't think I'll miss this forum :o

[Nilstoniakrath]

Finally discovered what REALLY happened between Trump and the Russians. They kidnapped the real Hillary, who is still stuck deep in a Siberian dungeon, and replaced her with an android programmed to ignore key states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, have less personality than a doorknob, ignore the laws of the land and set up a private email server, and a phony "charity" foundation to launder money for access. Even better, they let slip just enough evidence so that Democrats will suspect something nefarious and look like morons as they investigate, but not enough for them to prove anything. The whole plan is pure genius.

[Ahldagor]

Life on Earth is impossible. You don't even need to be a creationist to acknowledged that, plenty of people believe in alien planet seeding, has more likelihood than macro-evolution . Macro-evolution is in the category with man-made global warning, just a BS political chip pushed onto the scene to control people, much like religion in Europe was during the dark ages. Oh and you can add flat earth theory to that category too ...at least as far as being lame.

You believe what you do because it servers your purposes, not because you did any fair research into the subject and made an authentic conclusion. And research beyond the scope some forum posts can cover, but then I don't think you do that with anything.


Like wat? Conspiracy theory. They are not investigating Trump, they are investigating that guy on his campaign team, that guy who worked for 0bama too, he didn't properly report money he made in Russia by his own business dealings is the claim. That and some Russian reporter made an accusation he stole the emails, lol? And YOU speak of "clickbait"?

If this is some kind of "plenty of smoke to expect fire" we should lock up 0bama and HRC already for all their direct business dealings selling our war tech and uranium to Russia (a FACT), then taking donations into the Clinton Foundation during it. No, where there is a lack of smoke there is fire, and that fire is all partisan driven BS as they throw a tantrum over losing the WH.

They fell short of reaching their final goal, and they had that goal in grasp, but we threw them out and put in a guy that is now draining the swamp, including that of the FBI director that until this week no one wanted around. You don't grasp the absurdity of that??? As if all investigations now grind to a halt, which they wont. I mean here is HRC whining about him last week how he cost her the election (which is BS), now Trump fired him, so you all are whining he was fired?!?

The only thing they ever had on Trump was that Putin wanted him to win. Yeah?!? Doesn't everyone hate HRC?! ...and considering at the time she wanted to blow Russian jets out of the sky over Syria, who would blame him for wanting Trump elected? If I recall, and I do, 0bama made a world tour during his election. He had everyone in the EU calling for us to elect 0bama. But it's not ok for anyone to want Trump elected. Just petty petty petty. Seriously. And that was all they ever had, which they did themselves too, in fact they did it oversees where Trump never even did the world tour. pfff

And I'm the notorious conspiracy theorist here? At least the conspiracies I subscribe to (not many) have some shred of evidence. It sometimes takes me years before I decide there is a there there. Like Bush/Towers? I didn't acknowledge it for years, at least not until enough revealed to say it really needs a deep investigation unlike what was done. And still I only have a few points about that, by far not the full onslaught of various points people claim.

Wikileaks is just where all sorts of people drop these whistle blower leaks, how can it be compromised as if it were some alphabet soup agency? Fact is someone blew the whistle on HRC, including what she did to your beloved Bernie. Caught red handed! Now you are angry someone did that? Angry someone stuck you with the truth. What?!?!? Wait, who is more like Grandpa Simpson here??

Whoever leaked that shit I'd think you'd be praising, not jumping on the BS conspiracy theory that HRC cooked up to cover the fact she screwed Bernie into the ground. In - to - the - ground! Now she tries to do it to President Trump! I've never in my life seen such a deep level of pettiness from a losing candidate.

Seriously, pick up a better conspiracy theory. Bush shot Reagan? Truthers? Geoengineering? At least there is something in those :D

A parting gift. Poke, since I don't hate your guts, friend. A right-wing fanatic religious type prophecy (even though I'm politically center much like a libertarian in many ways). One day you'll say "Daywolf was right ...right about everything! :eek: " :D


Confidence in minus territory :D

And it's not even really partisan, it's just globalism. He's draining the swamp of the globalists and the people they hired. My only real fear about Trump is he becomes naive and trusts them too much. He thinks he can bring some in (e.g. certain bankers) and be able to control them. Yeah, they have a ton of knowledge in the trade, but they can just as easily turn it on him and do real damage.

Then you know there is such a thing as nationalistic globalism, much like Russia aspires too with their ~friend China. China supports this socialist globalism, but only in that in the end they think they can control it with their national globalism at the head, which too they would get burnt much like Trump could by playing with these bankers.

But it all changes. War is coming, that's just how it is. This global struggle is just on that path, it's inevitable, moving to desperate measures, and likely soon as the economy is nothing but a ticking time bomb. That is the big flag for them all to make a move, before resources deplete due to being contested or out of affordable reach, though if they don't kick it off sooner. Stay safe, may be turbulent the remainder of the year.
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I don't think I'll miss this forum :o

Lol, just lol. Lololololololololololololololololololololololololo lllolol

[Xaanka]

so you have 1 document saying "wow putin held a campaign of influence in an american election"
as if this hasn't happened in every election the past 5 decades or longer, and nobody gave a shit
like lol ever even heard of subversion? you're making an insane jump from "russia performed subversion like always" to "in collaboration with donald trump"

insane conspiracy theory that's an absolute laughing stock.

and for the pizzagate comparisons, let's see..... mass scale pedo arrests numbering in the tens of thousands globally since january, or a russia conspiracy with zero evidence. hmm not hard to figure out which has a deeper basis in reality.

hilarious.

[Xaanka]

perhaps you lost the election because hillary clinton didn't even attempt to campaign in key states which lost her the election?

maybe you're just projecting your mad over the fact that we live in a representative democracy where NY and California don't decide the POTUS every cycle?

lmao still loving how many users the mods have to ban to keep this circle jerk of alternate reality fantasies going

[Xaanka]

few questions, i'm going to operate in a fantasy land where there's some degree of credibility for your conspiracy theory thing because it's fun to see how little you guys have even thought this through:

what realistic threat does firing comey hold to your conspiracy theory coming to fruition? is it really so weak that it relies on an unstable character with very little public trust and credibility? what about this action was an overreach of presidential power? sure, trump would have fired him regardless of recommendation, what exactly isn't legal or normal about this?

if we're taking moral high grounds on election interference shouldn't the dnc's strong financial ties with china, saudi arabia, UAE be investigated as well?

shouldn't comey have been be fired for stepping outside of the bounds of his position and interfering with the election on multiple occasions by default? realistically speaking, why should such a volatile character be in charge of this investigation?

[AzzarTheGod]

shouldn't comey have been be fired for stepping outside of the bounds of his position and interfering with the election on multiple occasions by default? realistically speaking, why should such a volatile character be in charge of this investigation?

He behaved similar to a hedge fund manager/CEO as if he was CEO answering to the board of directors (Congress).

Because, you fuckass nerds, that is his background and work experience. He has no background in law enforcement. Bye bye bitch.

/discussion over on comey firing

[AzzarTheGod]

lmao you dont magically become this guy just because you get handed title of Director of the FBI. "he has the title, it must mean he can play the role"

Cringe. That isn't how it works kids. once a hedge fund cocksucker, always a hedge fund cocksucker.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/business/dealbook/bridgewater-associates-hedge-fund-culture-ray-dalio.html

[Pokesan]

that's like 8 posts to say "but her emails"

try a little brevity next time chumps

[Xaanka]

whoops looks like cracks are beginning to form in your conspiracy theory

http://archive.fo/52NUR#selection-355.0-355.103

from Newsweek:

A Russian citizen accused of being a hacker by both Russia and the U.S. has claimed U.S. officials offered to cut him a deal if he admitted to interfering in the 2016 presidential election.

Nikulin was detained in the Czech Republic for allegedly hacking the servers of major sites LinkedIn, Dropbox and Formspring between 2012 and 2013. While awaiting trial, he claims in an undated letter reportedly given to U.S. Russian-language news site Nastoyashchoe Vremya by Nikulin's lawyer, Martin Sadilek, that the FBI visited him at least a couple of times, offering to drop the charges and grant him U.S. citizenship as well as cash and an apartment in the U.S. if the Russian national confessed to participating in the 2016 hacks of Clinton campaign chief John Podesta's emails in July.

"[They told me:] you will have to confess to breaking into Clinton's inbox for [U.S. President Donald Trump] on behalf of [Russian President Vladimir Putin],” Nikulin wrote, according to The Moscow Times.
Nikulin said he refused the deal, but U.S. officials threatened to return. He claims the visits occurred in mid-November 2016 and on February 7 of this year. Czech television has reported at least one FBI visit earlier this year, according to The Guardian, which cited an FBI spokesperson as saying the agency was "aware of the situation," but declining further comment. The FBI is seeking to extradite Nikulin to face trial in the U.S., something he and his lawyers are trying to fight.

whoops!

[Xaanka]

He behaved similar to a hedge fund manager/CEO as if he was CEO answering to the board of directors (Congress).

Because, you fuckass nerds, that is his background and work experience. He has no background in law enforcement. Bye bye bitch.

/discussion over on comey firing

weren't you guys saying 1 page ago that trump ignored all advice given to him? are you taking the shotgun approach to stupid now or what's the narrative supposed to be? he's a loose cannon, or he's a corporate shill?

lol @ thinking firing the director of the fbi is outside the normal power & scope of what a party shift presidency involves.

[AzzarTheGod]

one cock sucked at the hedge fund, all cocks sucked at the hedge fund. corporate shilling is safe space language.

go get some exp in law enforcement and get back to us

[AzzarTheGod]

lmao you dont magically become this guy just because you get handed title of Director of the FBI. "he has the title, it must mean he can play the role"

Cringe. That isn't how it works kids. once a hedge fund cocksucker, always a hedge fund cocksucker.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/business/dealbook/bridgewater-associates-hedge-fund-culture-ray-dalio.html

lmao. gj yeah i got the title man im suddenly directing the FBI lol

the dunks. ITT ballhuggers dicksuck the leader of pizzagate, while arguing for a pizzagate investigation. too rich.

[Ahldagor]

weren't you guys saying 1 page ago that trump ignored all advice given to him? are you taking the shotgun approach to stupid now or what's the narrative supposed to be? he's a loose cannon, or he's a corporate shill?

lol @ thinking firing the director of the fbi is outside the normal power & scope of what a party shift presidency involves.

Fippy jr, lads and lasses. Incoherent tangents not applicable to the central focus...wait...snowflake argumentation

Lol, just lol. Lolololololololololololololololololol

[mickmoranis]

after all these pages i dont know where any of you stand on any of the issues related to colmy /shrug

[Pokesan]

*vomits a whole page of replies in lieu of an argument*

[Ahldagor]

after all these pages i dont know where any of you stand on any of the issues related to colmy /shrug

Dude proly committed perjury, deserved to be fired regardless. Now that's being stretched with standard ad hominem to whether or not any investigation will have merit based on that ad hominem instead of the information attained via lawful investigation/s. The timing and handling of the firing are not the best, and also not fodder for criticism against the White House under President Trump other than in the realm of short sighted judgements.

[mickmoranis]

well I hope the FBI can sort it out cus the democrats wont.

I saw this thing on facebook michelle obama is all, what kinda of a politician doesnt care if you eat crap? and im like bitch your husband let them drink led.

point being, i dont see a point in worrying about the trump admin until we have an admin worthy of replacing em, else we end up like a fucking south american country

[AzzarTheGod]

well I hope the FBI can sort it out cus the democrats wont.

I saw this thing on facebook michelle obama is all, what kinda of a politician doesnt care if you eat crap? and im like bitch your husband let them drink led.

point being, i dont see a point in worrying about the trump admin until we have an admin worthy of replacing em, else we end up like a fucking south american country

woke. they even sent corporate shills to Michigan to drink a glass of the heavily leaded water live on the local news station. pathetic.

[mickmoranis]

even obama drank from a glass up there, the pawn.

[AzzarTheGod]

even obama drank from a glass up there, the pawn.

lmao forgot about that. lead never leaves your body either, its a permanent metal that has no ability to exit and absorbs infinitely as a lifetime burden.

but anything to prevent civil litigation against the government contractors in our so-called capitalist democracy right.

[Ahldagor]

lmao forgot about that. lead never leaves your body either, its a permanent metal that has no ability to exit and absorbs infinitely as a lifetime burden.

but anything to prevent civil litigation against the government contractors in our so-called capitalist democracy right.

Pretty much pulled the scene right out of Erin Brokovich. The money needed to replace the water pipes (infrastructure) will never be granted becauss it's too high, so most cities mitigate the leeching of lead via water treatment.

[AenorVZ]

https://twitter.com/aliasvaughn/status/863747068015280130

:cool:

[Csihar]

Life on Earth is impossible. You don't even need to be a creationist to acknowledged that, plenty of people believe in alien planet seeding, has more likelihood than macro-evolution . Macro-evolution is in the category with man-made global warning, just a BS political chip pushed onto the scene to control people, much like religion in Europe was during the dark ages. Oh and you can add flat earth theory to that category too ...at least as far as being lame.

You do know that abiogenesis and evolution are two completely different things and that you're conflating the two?

Micro-evolution + long stretches of time = macro-evolution.

[Jarnauga]

plenty of people believe in alien planet seeding, has more likelihood than macro-evolution .

believe

:rolleyes:

[mickmoranis]

The money needed to replace the water pipes (infrastructure) will never be granted becauss it's too high, so most cities mitigate the leeching of lead via water treatment.

This is a great snip from a republican politician.

Oh wait its what democrats say now

yet resist fatties want me to fear republicans

gimi a break.

[Ahldagor]

This is a great snip from a republican politician.

Oh wait its what democrats say now

yet resist fatties want me to fear republicans

gimi a break.

The sad reality. Water treatments do work to limit the amount of leeched lead. It could be paid for, the money is there, but neither side will take it from elsewhere even tho' solidifying the nations infrastructure would create tens upon tens of thousands of jobs all over the country and would be a new deal of sorts. Too bad that makes sense on a local and federal level, so, sadly, it'll never happen. Especially since both parties have made infrastructure just a talking point and nothing else.

Was trying for a soon to be defunct blogger tone with a hint of despair with that one. Punditry can be a career. Realistic journalism is just too slow in the age of Amazon

[mickmoranis]

what the left needed was for obama to do what trump is doing.

[Daywolf]

believe
:rolleyes:

What, you don't believe in anything? You already said you are an atheist, that's not a belief?

As far as proof, it still has none. Missing link? More like millions of missing links. You always gotta change your formula to desperately save your failed religion there. More people believe in alien seeding (I don't, not "alien") than the number of atheists in the world. The only thing evolving is the lie of macro-evolution as it heads to it's inevitable extinction along with it's current clown spokeshole Bill Nye.

I mean if you want to move to modern times as our actual scientific thought and process has a bit improved since Darwin's day: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html
And more than just a fluke, far more, just downright statistically impossible. You guys constantly mock people with some religious faith or whatnot, but SHIT! you guys have as much proof for origins and life than goldfish crap in a fish bowl. I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. That's a huuuuuuge leap from where I sit, a daunting amount of faith required, all blind. Gets even worse if you move into quantum physics on the topic of origins and evolution, about as probable as flipping a coin off your thumb on one side of the Earth and landing in your pocket on the other side of the Earth.

And that's not the only article btw, like I said you guys just accept something told to you and leave it at that. Which I suppose is better than having built a degree on it and still chase that lie because it's food on the table and maybe some political outcome desired, comrade.

blubblubblub
You need to exercise that attention span w/o medicating the fishbowl.

[Ahldagor]

What, you don't believe in anything? You already said you are an atheist, that's not a belief?

As far as proof, it still has none. Missing link? More like millions of missing links. You always gotta change your formula to desperately save your failed religion there. More people believe in alien seeding (I don't, not "alien") than the number of atheists in the world. The only thing evolving is the lie of macro-evolution as it heads to it's inevitable extinction along with it's current clown spokeshole Bill Nye.

I mean if you want to move to modern times as our actual scientific thought and process has a bit improved since Darwin's day: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html
And more than just a fluke, far more, just downright statistically impossible. You guys constantly mock people with some religious faith or whatnot, but SHIT! you guys have as much proof for origins and life than goldfish crap in a fish bowl. I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. That's a huuuuuuge leap from where I sit, a daunting amount of faith required, all blind. Gets even worse if you move into quantum physics on the topic of origins and evolution, about as probable as flipping a coin off your thumb on one side of the Earth and landing in your pocket on the other side of the Earth.

And that's not the only article btw, like I said you guys just accept something told to you and leave it at that. Which I suppose is better than having built a degree on it and still chase that lie because it's food on the table and maybe some political outcome desired, comrade.

blubblubblub
You need to exercise that attention span w/o medicating the fishbowl.

Lol, just lol. Lololololololololololololololololol

[Jarnauga]

What, you don't believe in anything? You already said you are an atheist, that's not a belief?


Is not collecting stamps a hobby ?

[Pokesan]

What, you don't believe in anything? You already said you are an atheist, that's not a belief?

As far as proof, it still has none. Missing link? More like millions of missing links. You always gotta change your formula to desperately save your failed religion there. More people believe in alien seeding (I don't, not "alien") than the number of atheists in the world. The only thing evolving is the lie of macro-evolution as it heads to it's inevitable extinction along with it's current clown spokeshole Bill Nye.

I mean if you want to move to modern times as our actual scientific thought and process has a bit improved since Darwin's day: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html
And more than just a fluke, far more, just downright statistically impossible. You guys constantly mock people with some religious faith or whatnot, but SHIT! you guys have as much proof for origins and life than goldfish crap in a fish bowl. I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. That's a huuuuuuge leap from where I sit, a daunting amount of faith required, all blind. Gets even worse if you move into quantum physics on the topic of origins and evolution, about as probable as flipping a coin off your thumb on one side of the Earth and landing in your pocket on the other side of the Earth.

And that's not the only article btw, like I said you guys just accept something told to you and leave it at that. Which I suppose is better than having built a degree on it and still chase that lie because it's food on the table and maybe some political outcome desired, comrade.

blubblubblub
You need to exercise that attention span w/o medicating the fishbowl.

yes daywolf, atheism is the REAL theism.

you sound like a stoned teenager

[Daywolf]

Lol, just lol. Lololololololololololololololololol
Laughing about alien planet seeding again? Yep, lots of people believe that. I don't, but I'm not an asshole like you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k43XjuhInkU) to laugh a them. I take things seriously, even look into all the claims and reason about it out with them.

Now, I believe there is something there there, but not what many think. But even the movie industry promotes the idea, such as with the movie Prometheus etc etc etc etc. Even your elite globalist friends believe in that stuff admittedly, very much they do. They are expecting these creator aliens to return soon, demigods and the age of Aquarius. It's just what they believe, laugh at them all you want because that is all you know how to do.

Big ass deception coming, just like your HRC promised "full disclosure" of aliens on her platform because it's nearly time, but I know it would have been all lies of her. Even when they come, when something comes anyway, it'll be a lie, and they are almost come. You'll prolly accept it, until you realize Daywolf was right ...right about everything. But until then, he who is in denial, let him be in denial still.

[Daywolf]

yes daywolf, atheism is the REAL theism.

you sound like a stoned teenager

Whatever you put as the defining aspect of your existence in life, or even the most important thing be it a person, place or thing, that is your god. Religion is just an observance in that, can be anything you make of it, so as long as you work your way to acceptance in the realm of that belief.

It's just the way of things, as remarkable as most of the world recognizes a defined God/s, or even for some as undefined, it just seems to be built into our nature to do so, even if unbeknownst to ourselves by our true actions and beliefs.

[Csihar]

What, you don't believe in anything? You already said you are an atheist, that's not a belief?

As far as proof, it still has none. Missing link? More like millions of missing links. You always gotta change your formula to desperately save your failed religion there. More people believe in alien seeding (I don't, not "alien") than the number of atheists in the world. The only thing evolving is the lie of macro-evolution as it heads to it's inevitable extinction along with it's current clown spokeshole Bill Nye.

I mean if you want to move to modern times as our actual scientific thought and process has a bit improved since Darwin's day: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809183/We-universe-Professor-Brian-Cox-says-alien-life-impossible-humanity-unique.html
And more than just a fluke, far more, just downright statistically impossible. You guys constantly mock people with some religious faith or whatnot, but SHIT! you guys have as much proof for origins and life than goldfish crap in a fish bowl. I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist. That's a huuuuuuge leap from where I sit, a daunting amount of faith required, all blind. Gets even worse if you move into quantum physics on the topic of origins and evolution, about as probable as flipping a coin off your thumb on one side of the Earth and landing in your pocket on the other side of the Earth.

And that's not the only article btw, like I said you guys just accept something told to you and leave it at that. Which I suppose is better than having built a degree on it and still chase that lie because it's food on the table and maybe some political outcome desired, comrade.

blubblubblub
You need to exercise that attention span w/o medicating the fishbowl.

You're talking about 'positive atheism'. The disbelief in a god or gods. Atheism is simply the lack of belief.

To explain:

A person tells a story to three people.

Person one thinks the story is true.
Person two thinks the story is a lie.
Person three doesn't quit know.

Does person one believe the story? Yes.
Does person one disbelieve the story? No.

Does person two believe the story? No.
Does person two disbelieve the story? Yes.

Does person three disbelieve the story? No.
Does person three believe the story? No.

Not believing something is not the same as disbelief.

You're an atheist or a theist, it's not a spectrum that includes agnosticism. I'm an agnostic atheist for example. I don't believe in any gods, therefore I'm an atheist. I don't know if any gods exist and I don't think you can prove it therefore I'm also an agnostic.
All three terms 'atheist', 'theist' and 'agnostic' are mostly misused.

The missing links bit is a well-known strawman argument based on a misunderstanding of transitional fossils. In fact, every fossil is a transitional fossil. Creationists are looking for the crocoduck, which evolutionary biologists don't claim to exist.

You're really just regurgitating tired tropes. Everything you say is featured in every boring atheist vs. theist discussion.
Faith in God is very different than faith in the scientific process. In fact, the Bible clearly states a specific type of faith and it is blind faith. Research can be verified. All good science can be verified, that's the point of it. Allowing individuals to specialize and relying on their expertise is one of the reasons why we have progressed as far as we have. You need to have faith when you call a plumber. You can, if you feel so inclined, learn the ins and outs of plumbing and then you'll be able to know if that plumber is good or not. It's misleading the compare this to religious faith.
After centuries of admiration for devout religious blind faith we are (partially) living in a new world where it's no longer admirable to just say "I believe! I have faith!". We value rational thought and evidence. Calling atheism a belief system, Darwin a prophet and evolution a belief is all about pulling a veriable trust in the scientific process down to the intellectual level of religious faith. Much easier than rationally defending your own belief system.

It's dishonest and incorrect.

Will your next argument be that evolution is only a theory? :) That's always a good one.

The article does nothing for your case. Nowhere does it state that it's downright impossible. Brian Cox is also a physicist and not an evolutionary biologist.

[Jarnauga]

BELIEVING something is different from KNOWING something.

For fuck sake do i really have to write this down ?

This is how you get this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I

[Csihar]

Saying that atheists just believe what they're told is a combination of horseshit and a truth that you manipulate to fit your argument.

While it's true that a lot of people do simply believe what they're told it's not an argument against anything. It's the 'white doctor's coat' fallacy. Have some guy with 'dr.' in his name wearing a white coat in an infomercial and it must be true! Clickbait articles on social media about some research is taken as gospel by some people. Quite often people don't even read the article but simply go by what the article header says. If you actually read the article the header and actual text don't match. Check the source and it refers to another article. Compare the two articles and yet more information is lost in transition. Check that source and it may refer to yet another article or if you're lucky it will show the source to be simply a summary of the research and not even the research itself. Useless information really.

Since you can't know everything due to inescapable limitations (the fact that we happen to die at some point in our life for example) you are forced to rely on experts. Does that mean you will at some point believe something to be true when it's not? Certainly. There is bad science out there and there are bad scientists, even scientists that purposely mislead. But the whole 'you just believe evolution because you're told' line as an argument against evolution (for example) falls flat for two reasons. It falls flat the moment you come across an actual evolutionary biologist. You can't say that they simply believe what they're told. But of course you explain this by calling them all frauds. Easy enough I guess.
It also falls flat because you actually can do the research for yourself. Most aspects of any religion can not be verified. Science receives its information through rigorous research, a process of falsification, tests that can be (and must be in order to be valid) replicated etc. Religion receives its information through individuals that were supposedly given this information through divine messages. Science has proven itself as the most trustworthy and reliable process time and time again. Religion has not. With thousands of different religions and three major Abrahamic religions that negate at least 2 out of 3 (if Islam is true, then Judaism and Christianity is not. If Judaism is true then ... etc.) by necessity it's intellectually dishonest to compare science and religion.

The idea that atheists follow do simply follow what comes out a veriable scientific process but theists don't simply follow what comes out of an ancient book that reveals its unveriable sources to be divine messages passed to prophets is mind-blowing to me.

Science currently only posits hypotheses for abiogenesis, no theories. No scientist that follows the scientific process properly will currently claim to have any real knowledge. Why that's an issue for religious people I don't know. There's point A (no life) and point B (life) and science can't (yet?) explain how we got from point A to B. But not a single religion offers anything of substance either. All it does is say that we got from point A to B by God's hand. But can it say how? 'God did it' is not information on abiogenesis. That offers exactly as much as saying it occured through a natural process. We want to know how. Claiming that science can't (currently) explain abiogenesis is evidence for God is simply the God-of-the-gaps argument and doesn't hold up.

I've heard the quantum physics arguments. People try to exclude the possibility of no God existing but even in those arguments they make leaps from 'there must be some type of being' to the Jehovah's existence and creationism.

Whatever you put as the defining aspect of your existence in life, or even the most important thing be it a person, place or thing, that is your god. Religion is just an observance in that, can be anything you make of it, so as long as you work your way to acceptance in the realm of that belief.

It's just the way of things, as remarkable as most of the world recognizes a defined God/s, or even for some as undefined, it just seems to be built into our nature to do so, even if unbeknownst to ourselves by our true actions and beliefs.

That is just Randian in its intellectual dishonesty. You're doing one of two things here.

1) You're twisting words with existing meanings into what you want them to be and then using your own words to argue. That's the equivalent of saying the sun isn't warm because you use the word 'warm' to mean 'pineapple' and clearly the sun isn't pineapple. That is obviously ridiculous but by twisting the words just enough to retain some semblance of the actual meaning it creates the illusion that you're making any sense.

2) You started by arguing in a literal sense and then expanded the meaning of certain words to also hold some figurative meaning. You need to make a choice. You want to use 'god' and 'religion' figuratively? Fine, but then your initial argument changes in meaning and becomes an utterly useless comment.

[Baler]

Are some people seriously going to cry and keep saying he'll be out soon for the next 3.5 years. seriously?

I hope he wins another 4 years.

[Daywolf]

BELIEVING something is different from KNOWING something.
Being an atheist takes no belief in atheism? You kidding me? Some sort of snob reply as if atheism and/or macro evolution is proven absolutely true and you know it so it takes no belief or even faith? That's why I say it's up there with the man-made global warming scam, as 0bama claims the debate is over, which it isn't, it's far from conclusive. Oh yeah, but as a globalist you accept global warming too. After all, being a liberal globalist, origins don't matter as much as the direction you want the world to go, which in the end they will just eliminate you too.




And atheism is just a tag, the name is meaningless, you're thinking more along the line of agnostic. I mean, if it were so, atheist would not be so consumed with trying to prove God doesn't exist. That's most of them, not all, but most. I can think of one, Penn Jillette, an atheist (of Penn and Teller) that holds to the "I don't know" attitude while he doesn't spend all of his time attacking others that believe in a God/s. But most, just militant ideology, and that's the way it's taught in our progressive-liberal controlled universities, to destroy all signs of someone elses beliefs. It's become in it's own right a fervent religion. And many of such are just worshiping State, not even aware of the problematic issues with their beliefs as if the ends justify the means. Well at least you're not alone, Hitler believed in the doctrine of natural selection promoted by macro-evolution, and millions of people were eliminated.

[Jarnauga]

Being an atheist takes no belief in atheism? You kidding me? Some sort of snob reply as if atheism and/or macro evolution is proven absolutely true and you know it so it takes no belief or even faith? That's why I say it's up there with the man-made global warming scam, as 0bama claims the debate is over, which it isn't, it's far from conclusive. Oh yeah, but as a globalist you accept global warming too. After all, being a liberal globalist, origins don't matter as much as the direction you want the world to go, which in the end they will just eliminate you too.




And atheism is just a tag, the name is meaningless, you're thinking more along the line of agnostic. I mean, if it were so, atheist would not be so consumed with trying to prove God doesn't exist. That's most of them, not all, but most. I can think of one, Penn Jillette, an atheist (of Penn and Teller) that holds to the "I don't know" attitude while he doesn't spend all of his time attacking others that believe in a God/s. But most, just militant ideology, and that's the way it's taught in our progressive-liberal controlled universities, to destroy all signs of someone elses beliefs. It's become in it's own right a fervent religion. And many of such are just worshiping State, not even aware of the problematic issues with their beliefs as if the ends justify the means. Well at least you're not alone, Hitler believed in the doctrine of natural selection promoted by macro-evolution, and millions of people were eliminated.

Is that really complicated for you to get that NOT BELIEVING IN SOMETHING = BELIEVING IN SOMETHING ? like.. really ?

And atheists don't have to prove anything.. you have. Or prove me that Eru Iluvatar didn't create earth. PRO TIP: YOU CAN'T ! so it must be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Patriam1066]

James comey is 6'8"

Why not play small forward instead of FBI director?

[Pokesan]

Are some people seriously going to cry and keep saying he'll be out soon for the next 3.5 years. seriously?

I hope he wins another 4 years.

i really wish you wouldn't post

[AzzarTheGod]

James comey is 6'8"

Why not play small forward instead of FBI director?

Imagine the horsepower of the assfucking he laid down at the hedge fund

wow!!!

[Daywolf]

Is that really complicated for you to get that NOT BELIEVING IN SOMETHING = BELIEVING IN SOMETHING ? like.. really ?

And atheists don't have to prove anything.. you have. Or prove me that Eru Iluvatar didn't create earth. PRO TIP: YOU CAN'T ! so it must be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh yeah, your second language, after the African dialect of french lol. Belief in vs belief of, it's not a direct issue of faith which is belief in the unseen. You do the progressive-liberal play on words, sidestep the issues, but only confusing yourself, or having been utterly confused by their brainwashing you've been subjected to all your life. But it's not faith, it's blind faith, by that of the close minded in such a case. This is why they teach you what to think rather than how to think, makes for useful idiots to follow their every whim without question [insert The Matrix movie clips here].

[AzzarTheGod]

so thats what trump was talking about with comey's private conversations. tried to compare dicks with the Fat King

didnt go over too well lmao #proudboy

[mickmoranis]

to see daywolf defending his dear leader as desperately as some fat chick defended hillaries emails is pretty funny

[Daywolf]

to see daywolf defending his dear leader as desperately as some fat chick defended hillaries emails is pretty funny
You make 0bama prooooud. That's right, down with the establishment! Down with your corrupt wall street. Down with the system that enslaves and murders. Vengeance will soon be here and all you'll have left is the dust of ages. But for now, little piggies gonna squeal, and squeal they will.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Is that really complicated for you to get that NOT BELIEVING IN SOMETHING = BELIEVING IN SOMETHING ? like.. really ?

And atheists don't have to prove anything.. you have. Or prove me that Eru Iluvatar didn't create earth. PRO TIP: YOU CAN'T ! so it must be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cool, so as a climate change "atheist" I don't have to prove it doesn't exist, but you do.

Or, as a government is a good thing "atheist" I don't have to prove it sucks, but you have to prove it doesn't suck.

Nice logical thinker, you are.

[Daywolf]

Oh I missed that part. Oh well, I did use the word militant, pretty much spot on. Same old Jarn ¯\_(:P)_/¯

[entruil]

believing and knowing?... hehe... differential chase of psychological satisfaction of well-being... ie: if you happen to be flying through the cosmos on a large rock around a ginormous fusion reactor in a sea of infinite nothingness except delusional aspects of space and time... clearly there is nothing to see here folks...

at least we have figured out that there is no beginning?...

...

its music but its ok just don't do no dumbshit at work...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMHr2EOeGag

[Domo]

I voted yesterday for the CDU(Merkels party) in a state-election for the first time in my life, and the right-wing party (AfD) is the reason for it. Kinda sad :(

Even though I dont like Merkel that much, she can bring something the other partys cant; stability.
+ I am tired of all this "white genocide" propaganda.

[Daywolf]

at least we have figured out that there is no beginning?...
Yes and no. Depends what level of dimension we are talking about. I think higher dimensions are eternal, in that they are not restrained by time-space. But we are talking ~9th dimension + (of 13 theorized). Though at least the 12-13 are outside time-space anyway, and only influence lower dimensions but not influenced by lower dimensions. But when you drop down to lower dimensions, 1-4 or so, you smack into the effects of time-space, thus not eternal.

One thing that has always captivated me was the thought of a straight incremental timeline being eternal, because if it were, you could never reach this point in the time line.

I break through the enigma of time-space by just looking at it as like a mechanical hard drive platter, while time-space is just data stored sequentially on the mechanism. That mechanism being the 5th-8th dimensions., or at least the rules of operation for the lower dimensions. If you could hack those dimensions, you could do anything in the first 4 dimensions (create/multiply gold etc.), if having full access to them, or partial depending on how many levels of dimensions you gain access to.

The clues I've seen, this all is in part why the CERN LHC/Awake project has become such an interest to the global elites, to hack the fabric of time-space, then screw with the mechanics of existence. And they admit they are trying to access higher dimensions. Could be a disturbing thought if they managed it in full.

[Pokesan]

Yes and no. Depends what level of gender we are talking about. I think higher genders are eternal, in that they are not restrained by time-space. But we are talking ~9th gender + (of 13 theorized). Though at least the 12-13 are outside time-space anyway, and only influence lower genders but not influenced by lower genders. But when you drop down to lower genders, 1-4 or so, you smack into the effects of time-space, thus not eternal.

One thing that has always captivated me was the thought of a straight incremental timeline being eternal, because if it were, you could never reach this point in the time line.

I break through the enigma of time-space by just looking at it as like a mechanical hard drive platter, while time-space is just data stored sequentially on the mechanism. That mechanism being the 5th-8th genders., or at least the rules of operation for the lower genders. If you could hack those genders, you could do anything in the first 4 genders (create/multiply gold etc.), if having full access to them, or partial depending on how many levels of genders you gain access to.

The clues I've seen, this all is in part why the CERN LHC/Awake project has become such an interest to the global elites, to hack the fabric of time-space, then screw with the mechanics of existence. And they admit they are trying to access higher genders. Could be a disturbing thought if they managed it in full.

[Daywolf]

Yes, Pokers, we saw this day coming, you've become Nouveau trois / the new third gender / chop-chop!
Gratz I guess.... >.>
<.<
did it hurt?

[Pokesan]

find+replace does zero to make your post less nonsense

welcome to the republican party

[Ahldagor]

Yes and no. Depends what level of dimension we are talking about. I think higher dimensions are eternal, in that they are not restrained by time-space. But we are talking ~9th dimension + (of 13 theorized). Though at least the 12-13 are outside time-space anyway, and only influence lower dimensions but not influenced by lower dimensions. But when you drop down to lower dimensions, 1-4 or so, you smack into the effects of time-space, thus not eternal.

One thing that has always captivated me was the thought of a straight incremental timeline being eternal, because if it were, you could never reach this point in the time line.

I break through the enigma of time-space by just looking at it as like a mechanical hard drive platter, while time-space is just data stored sequentially on the mechanism. That mechanism being the 5th-8th dimensions., or at least the rules of operation for the lower dimensions. If you could hack those dimensions, you could do anything in the first 4 dimensions (create/multiply gold etc.), if having full access to them, or partial depending on how many levels of dimensions you gain access to.

The clues I've seen, this all is in part why the CERN LHC/Awake project has become such an interest to the global elites, to hack the fabric of time-space, then screw with the mechanics of existence. And they admit they are trying to access higher dimensions. Could be a disturbing thought if they managed it in full.

Lol, just lol. Lololololololololololloollolllllloloollollllllol.. .wow...olololllllllloooolllloooolllloooolllolololo lllllolll

[AzzarTheGod]

Yes and no. Depends what level of dimension we are talking about. I think higher dimensions are eternal, in that they are not restrained by time-space. But we are talking ~9th dimension + (of 13 theorized). Though at least the 12-13 are outside time-space anyway, and only influence lower dimensions but not influenced by lower dimensions. But when you drop down to lower dimensions, 1-4 or so, you smack into the effects of time-space, thus not eternal.

One thing that has always captivated me was the thought of a straight incremental timeline being eternal, because if it were, you could never reach this point in the time line.

I break through the enigma of time-space by just looking at it as like a mechanical hard drive platter, while time-space is just data stored sequentially on the mechanism. That mechanism being the 5th-8th dimensions., or at least the rules of operation for the lower dimensions. If you could hack those dimensions, you could do anything in the first 4 dimensions (create/multiply gold etc.), if having full access to them, or partial depending on how many levels of dimensions you gain access to.

The clues I've seen, this all is in part why the CERN LHC/Awake project has become such an interest to the global elites, to hack the fabric of time-space, then screw with the mechanics of existence. And they admit they are trying to access higher dimensions. Could be a disturbing thought if they managed it in full.

booze

[Daywolf]

LOL you guys don't know jack shit about actual science, eh?
Just (((global warming)))?
Damn embarrassing :o:o:o
Since you were kicked out of your blue state HS for lowering their national standards, have you ever picked up an actual book or journal on science since then? :rolleyes: ...if ever?

Yeah this is actual theory produced by PHD's, and even put into experiments with results. And if you have bothered to follow the fascinating CERN project (though imo they are abusing it), they even speak of reaching into other dimensions in their press releases. It's what they are doing, dumbasses, duh? A lot of this has come about through quantum physics; yes, another science thingy /facepalm

I actually am a great admirer of quantum physics, it's so awesomely spooky yet while producing actual results. Ever since I was a kid and discovered the existence of black holes through my interest in astronomy, I've been fascinated with time-space, then later quantum physics as we began to understand it's relationships better. Likely Newton and Einstein were all wrong, about everything! Everything! fucking everything!!! The actual physical understanding of the natural universe is grasped by a very small percentage of the world population. Most scientists are locked into old world propaganda to control the masses. But eyes have begun to open. Just not here :/

There is a revolution coming. Massive advancements.

[Daywolf]

Except this report is sort of old... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2014/04/how-many-dimensions-does-the-universe-really-have/
I mean regarding CERN. They have moved beyond the LHC and are getting ready to fire up the Awake project by September-October 2017 (overhauled over a couple years). This is a much shorter plasma conduit, estimated to reach speeds "faster than light" in fact. Though they are still going to use the LHC for the pre-ignition acceleration start, it feeds into the Awakes plasma conduit which then takes over the routing.

Massive amount of power, both raw power feed and computing power through the D-wave quantum computer (yes, my college maj was computer science). A resonance frequency of.... er 4096 off the top of my head. The same resonance frequency of crystal. I don't want to explain it here, but it is like moving a surfer in waves by the most efficient way (damn straight I'm from SoCal)

It actually has multiple applications. Likely will be misused. CERN engineers are completely nuts. After all, they are funded by nuts. Ultimately they are seeking the fountain of youth so to say, among other things, I have a list. Eternal life. Sorry, you won't be invited, global elites only club. If you want to look up it's real beginnings, research the "Nazi Bell". CERN is Hitlers baby, and from all those captured Nazi scientists likely. First we war, then we advance it looks to be. 2/3 of the world population will likely be wasted by then though.

edit: anyway, for the non-mockers that have taken me somewhat seriously at least, the link gives a brief history of research into higher dimensions as well as the purpose of CERN which is involving that. For the rest of youz...... LOOOOOLLLL LL LOL LOL LLL OLLO LOLLOOL LLOOLOLOOOOlL.lll
heh fucking clueless...

[AzzarTheGod]

Except this report is sort of old... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2014/04/how-many-dimensions-does-the-universe-really-have/
I mean regarding CERN. They have moved beyond the LHC and are getting ready to fire up the Awake project by September-October 2017 (overhauled over a couple years). This is a much shorter plasma conduit, estimated to reach speeds "faster than light" in fact. Though they are still going to use the LHC for the pre-ignition acceleration start, it feeds into the Awakes plasma conduit which then takes over the routing.

Massive amount of power, both raw power feed and computing power through the D-wave quantum computer (yes, my college maj was computer science). A resonance frequency of.... er 4096 off the top of my head. The same resonance frequency of crystal. I don't want to explain it here, but it is like moving a surfer in waves in the most efficient way (damn straight I'm from SoCal)

It actually has multiple applications. Likely will be misused. CERN engineers are completely nuts. After all, they are funded by nuts. Ultimately they are seeking the fountain of youth so to say, among other things, I have a list. Eternal life. Sorry, you won't be invited, global elites only club. If you want to look up it's real beginnings, research the "Nazi Bell". CERN is Hitlers baby, and from all those captured Nazi scientists likely. First we war, then we advance it looks to be. 2/3 of the world population will likely be wasted by then though.

edit: anyway, for the non-mockers that have taken me somewhat seriously at least, the link gives a brief history of research into higher dimensions as well as the purpose of CERN which is involving that. For the rest of youz...... LOOOOOLLLL LL LOL LOL LLL OLLO LOLLOOL LLOOLOLOOOOlL.lll
heh fucking clueless...

havent read anything yet, but quoted for posterity he is editing up a storm right now boys

as a box historian i felt the need to intervene immediately before any more data chips were lost by the swaying of the ship arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr *swigs rum*

[AzzarTheGod]

i will read these posts tomorrow though, I can make that promise.

[Daywolf]

I didn't edit anything out, just cleaned up my 50wpm mess after hitting submit too soon. And like changed "D-wave system" to D-wave quantum computer" etc. At least I didn't spend an hour deleting and reposting it 7 times like you do :D

[Csihar]

Cool, so as a climate change "atheist" I don't have to prove it doesn't exist, but you do.

Or, as a government is a good thing "atheist" I don't have to prove it sucks, but you have to prove it doesn't suck.

Nice logical thinker, you are.

That is actually logical yes. The burden of proof lies with theists to prove a god exists. "There is no god" is also a position that carries with it a burden of proof.

Man-made climate change is a position that needs to be proven. Correct.

The legitimacy of government also needs to be proven.

What's the problem?

[Csihar]

Is that really complicated for you to get that NOT BELIEVING IN SOMETHING = BELIEVING IN SOMETHING ? like.. really ?

And atheists don't have to prove anything.. you have. Or prove me that Eru Iluvatar didn't create earth. PRO TIP: YOU CAN'T ! so it must be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He simply doesn't understand that atheism doesn't mean the denial of the existence of a god. That is hard/strong/positive atheism.

[maskedmelon]

He simply doesn't understand that atheism doesn't mean the denial of the existence of a god. That is hard/strong/positive atheism.

This is true, but professing atheism is always the latter when operating under a system of binary logic simply because one can't "not have" a bag of Cheetos whilst also "not not having" a bag of Cheetos. A person either has a bag of Cheetos or ze do not.

One can however be unsure whether or not ze has a bag of Cheetos. The argument "I do not have a bag of Cheetos, but neither do i not not have a bag of Cheetos" is necessarily false. One does or one does not.

[Csihar]

This is true, but professing atheism is always the latter when operating under a system of binary logic simply because one can't "not have" a bag of Cheetos whilst also "not not having" a bag of Cheetos. A person either has a bag of Cheetos or ze do not.

One can however be unsure whether or not ze has a bag of Cheetos. The argument "I do not have a bag of Cheetos, but neither do i not not have a bag of Cheetos" is necessarily false. One does or one does not.

The analogy doesn't quite hold I think. "One can however be unsure whether or not ze has a bag of Cheetos". You can indeed not know whether or not you have a bag of Cheetos. You can claim to not know whether or not there is a god (= agnosticism). Can you however be unsure of whether or not you believe in whether or not you have a bag of cheetos?
There is a god or there isn't. You can have a bag of Cheetos or you don't.
But that's not what atheism/theism is about. It's about believing in the existence of the bag of Cheetos or not.
If I'm not understanding you correctly, please rephrase and use small boy words.

There are plenty of theists out there who believe in a god and live their life according to a 'holy book'. If you ask them whether or not they know a god exists based on evidence they may (if they're intellectually honest) say they don't. That would make them agnostic theists.
If a theist claims he does know that makes them a hard/strong/positive theist.

Everyone grows up without belief/knowledge of a god. I wouldn't call babies atheists because they're incapable or being theists but that's the only reason. I have heard people talking about their god(s), I've read the Bible and Qur'an and it didn't convince me. Therefore I don't hold a belief in any gods. That makes me an atheist. It's not a position. The only reason why the word atheist exists is because the word theist exists. I believe in more ancient times the term atheist could actually mean people who didn't worship the traditional gods. Christians were one of the first people to be labeled 'atheists' (by the Romans). It could also mean people who were poor practitioners of religious rites. In that sense most religious people nowadays would be considered atheists back then.

[Pokesan]

This is true, but professing atheism is always the latter when operating under a system of binary logic simply because one can't "not have" a bag of Cheetos whilst also "not not having" a bag of Cheetos. A person either has a bag of Cheetos or ze do not.

One can however be unsure whether or not ze has a bag of Cheetos. The argument "I do not have a bag of Cheetos, but neither do i not not have a bag of Cheetos" is necessarily false. One does or one does not.

Thoughts and physical objects are different things

[maskedmelon]

The analogy doesn't quite hold I think. "One can however be unsure whether or not ze has a bag of Cheetos". You can indeed not know whether or not you have a bag of Cheetos. You can claim to not know whether or not there is a god (= agnosticism).

Can you however be unsure of whether or not you believe in whether or not you have a bag of Cheetos?

yes, why couldn't you? Adopting or rejecting a belief demands a decision, which is established with an argument. If you don't know, you don't decide and make no argument. Or are you arguing that belief is necessarily impulsive?


There is a god or there isn't. You can have a bag of Cheetos or you don't.
But that's not what atheism/theism is about. It's about believing in the existence of the bag of Cheetos or not.
If I'm not understanding you correctly, please rephrase and use small boy words.

:3 there is a belief or there is not. you believe or you do not. arguing that the absence of a belief does not constitute disbelief is arguing that disbelief is either not itself, or something else entirely.

There are plenty of theists out there who believe in a god and live their life according to a 'holy book'. If you ask them whether or not they know a god exists based on evidence they may (if they're intellectually honest) say they don't. That would make them agnostic theists.
If a theist claims he does know that makes them a hard/strong/positive theist.

Everyone grows up without belief/knowledge of a god. I wouldn't call babies atheists because they're incapable or being theists but that's the only reason. I have heard people talking about their god(s), I've read the Bible and Qur'an and it didn't convince me. Therefore I don't hold a belief in any gods. That makes me an atheist.

it does not necessarily follow that failing to be convinced by either the bible or qur'an would mean you do not hold belief in any gods, only that you do not hold belief in those gods. If we expand on the cheeto analogy, you do not believe you have a bag of jalapeño cheetos and you do not believe you have a bag of limon cheetos. Do those beliefs make you believe you do not have any bags of Cheetos?

It's not a position.

sure it is, you have made a decision. decisions are based in arguments whether they are sound or true or unsound or untrue.

not having a belief in god <in general> is different though from not having a belief in a <particular> god, which is why I asked my follow-up Cheetos question above :3



The only reason why the word atheist exists is because the word theist exists. I believe in more ancient times the term atheist could actually mean people who didn't worship the traditional gods. Christians were one of the first people to be labeled 'atheists' (by the Romans). It could also mean people who were poor practitioners of religious rites. In that sense most religious people nowadays would be considered atheists back then.

I entirely agree. We can define words however we like, but logic does not change ^^

Thoughts and physical objects are different things

if that is true, can they also be not not the same?

[JurisDictum]

LOL you guys don't know jack shit about actual science, eh?
Just (((global warming)))?
Damn embarrassing :o:o:o
Since you were kicked out of your blue state HS for lowering their national standards, have you ever picked up an actual book or journal on science since then? :rolleyes: ...if ever?


I don't really know all that much about science. Science is usually just unnecessary detail to people that don't work in a scientific field. What I do know, is if we have to start listening to creepy youtube videos and talk radio instead of the scientific consensus -- were fucked anyway.

I'm just going to have to go with the majority opinion of climate scientists...especially after -- you know -- its been revealed Big Oil, Coal, and Chemicals were all spending billions in climate denial media.

[Jarnauga]

http://i.imgur.com/nx98ynt.jpg

[Csihar]

yes, why couldn't you? Adopting or rejecting a belief demands a decision, which is established with an argument. If you don't know, you don't decide and make no argument. Or are you arguing that belief is necessarily impulsive?

I do think belief is necessarily impulsive.
I like to differentiate between my thoughts and my opinions. Thoughts are an automatic process but I'll only call something my opinion once I think that I have enough information, thought it through properly and have a high degree of certainty. This distinction is arbitrary though. If you don't know you refrain from making claims of certainty.

What would be the logic behind saying "I don't know whether or not I believe that I have a bag of Cheetos"?

I do have to say that one issue here is that semantics is very important here.

Q: "Do you have a bag of Cheetos?"
A: "I believe so".

That answer means "I think I do". The word believe is used in a bunch of different ways and it can be confusing.

:3 there is a belief or there is not. you believe or you do not. arguing that the absence of a belief does not constitute disbelief is arguing that disbelief is either not itself, or something else entirely.

In regards to your first two sentences: I agree entirely. I think that ties in with belief being impulsive.
In regards to disbelief equaling a lack of belief, I disagree entirely. And that's the key point.

I posted this before:

A person tells a story to three people.

Person one thinks the story is true.
Person two thinks the story is a lie.
Person three doesn't quite know.

Does person one (who thinks it's true) believe the story? Yes.
Does person one disbelieve the story? No.

Does person two (who thinks it's a lie) believe the story? No.
Does person two disbelieve the story? Yes.

Does person three (who doesn't quite know) disbelieve the story? No.
Does person three believe the story? No.

That is the distinction between lack of belief and disbelief.

Lets just take the common usage of the word agnostic and speak on a person who hasn't been convinced of the existence of a god/gods. Does this person believe in any gods? Does this person hold a belief in a god/gods? The answer is no.
A person who doesn't believe/hold a belief in a god/gods is an atheist. An agnostic in the common usage of the word is actually an atheist. But common usage doesn't really mean much in terms of truth. "I could care less" is incorrect, no matter how much it is used.
'Atheist', 'theist' and 'agnostic' are all misapplied.

Wikipedia isn't exactly a source but in this case it can be helpful since we're talking about the usage of a word. A dictionary isn't an authority source on proper definitions either but both a dictionary and in this case Wikipedia do provide information on usage.

Wikipedia: "Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities"

it does not necessarily follow that failing to be convinced by either the bible or qur'an would mean you do not hold belief in any gods, only that you do not hold belief in those gods. If we expand on the cheeto analogy, you do not believe you have a bag of jalapeño cheetos and you do not believe you have a bag of limon cheetos. Do those beliefs make you believe you do not have any bags of Cheetos?

You're right that it doesn't necessarily follow but I wasn't implying that it did. I only spoke on the Abrahamic god (for reasons I think are obvious) but I haven't been convinced by any.
Christians reject all other gods except for one. So you're right that their disbelief/lack of believe doesn't mean they don't hold belief in any gods.

I don't really see your point here though.

There seems to be some implication of belief limbo but that would be contradictory with what you said earlier ("there is a belief or there is not. you believe or you do not"). But I don't think that's your point. Maybe this is something that we agree on. That's logic 101.


sure it is, you have made a decision. decisions are based in arguments whether they are sound or true or unsound or untrue.

not having a belief in god <in general> is different though from not having a belief in a <particular> god, which is why I asked my follow-up Cheetos question above :3

What decision was made? I don't think decision is the right word here though. Wouldn't 'making a truth claim' be more appropriate?

This is why the term 'positive atheist' exists. A positive atheist is someone who doesn't hold a belief in any gods [belief] and claims that there are no gods (knowledge). This is a positive assertion and requires evidence. That is a decision/truth claim.

To go back to my comment about babies and atheism. The terms 'atheist' and 'theist' can't exist without the other. So if a person can't be a 'theist' applying the term 'atheist' is inappropriate.
Lets use a term that used to be quite popular (I'm reading "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas" now and it's ripe with the word) 'savage'. Imagine there was a group of savages that never had any contact with the outside world. They don't have gods in their culture and no concept of such a being. Therefore they don't hold any beliefs in gods. If they don't even have a concept of god they can't logically reject it. Yet they still lack a belief in any gods. This is what being an atheist boils down to.

[Jarnauga]

If you don't get why the whole world think 'muricans are morons, just read the last 5 pages of this thread

I am myself fighting hard to remember that the majority of people didn't vote for golfer in chief

[Csihar]

If you don't get why the whole world think 'muricans are morons, just read the last 5 pages of this thread

I am myself fighting hard to remember that the majority of people didn't vote for golfer in chief

If you're referring to the religious aspect at all then I don't think this is an American thing in any way. Every atheist vs. theist discussion I've seen boils down to the same arguments, regardless of the country.

[mickmoranis]

https://youtu.be/V4qMbWRzCRA

This guy knows whats up

[Daywolf]

He simply doesn't understand that atheism doesn't mean the denial of the existence of a god. That is hard/strong/positive atheism.
No you simply do not understand the difference between agnostic and atheist by their practice. Agnostics say you can't know God, but don't deny God's existence, they just don't know. Atheists, many/most of them deny the existence of God, some even to militant levels trying to change laws and cultures of nations to fit their own unproven beliefs.

If they want to leave and go form their own country and declare atheism their established religion hehe, or freedom FROM all religions, well they can do that. But to try to take over a country by the minority and by way of w/o fulfilling the burden of proof and also gaining majority. well it's just selfish. As they say, if it's not broken, don't fix it. We can make popcorn, sit back and watch france burn due to this, and as their atheists think they can tame and dominate islam. Islam is no ones friend, never can be.

Look at Jarn regret the days of Hitlers rule over his country having come to an end. "Stupid Americans!" hah
Must also hate our ingenuity and contributions which are very many to civilization. Would rather live by candlelight and dysentery.
heh the thoughts out of franceghanistan, forced for a period of time to not be a 3rd world islamic state living in caves.

[mickmoranis]

Atheists, many/most of them deny the existence of God, some even to militant levels trying to change laws and cultures of nations to fit their own unproven beliefs.

This poster is afraid of his own shadow.

[mickmoranis]

Asteroid that destroyed the dino's hit a very small target:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39922998

It was shallow coastal water with a ground formed by a mineral called gypsum, that got vaporized and sent sulphur to the atmosphere, which created a nuclear winter way worse than wat would have happened simply by the impact. Had it landed in the Marina Trench for example it may not have ended the reign of the dino's

sounds like INTELLIGENT DESIGN to me.

[Daywolf]

I don't really know all that much about science. Science is usually just unnecessary detail to people that don't work in a scientific field. What I do know, is if we have to start listening to creepy youtube videos and talk radio instead of the scientific consensus -- were fucked anyway.

I'm just going to have to go with the majority opinion of climate scientists...especially after -- you know -- its been revealed Big Oil, Coal, and Chemicals were all spending billions in climate denial media.

Science isn't by consensus, it's by proven result. I mean you really just defined what I said about much of scientists being locked into old world propaganda to control not only a population and their ideas but also how they buy or consume.

zero-point energy generation is one good example. It's been proven, a system invented, and then seized by the govt to prolly never be seen again. Such things are a threat to a set consumerism, such as a reliance on nuclear energy production, natural gas, coal and oil. You must have your petrodollar or else, so don't touch the oil.

Meanwhile best propaganda, nuclear reactors are just so destructive. But nuclear energy is scientific consensus, at least of the consensus allowed to participate in the consensus as is the norm. So years ago they made it seem natural, explained how our star operates by nuclear fusion. Yet, isn't proven, but we have consensus, yet still an unproven theory. If consensus were to be allowed to swing towards electrically charged plasma such as in the electric universe theory, people may not be willing to consume nuclear power plants so readily any longer, maybe demand zero-point energy.

But then if nuclear power ended having been fully replaced by free energy, how could states like Iran be allowed to build a nuclear power plant for "energy production" uh-huh. And now if they didn't do that, our military industrial complex may slow down exchange of petrodollars. Seriously, you are stuck in a failed Matrix/1984 style system you think is ok because of manipulated scientific consensus. Free power and a world all with access to clean water is ssooo unscientific! Break free of it.

[Csihar]

No you simply do not understand the difference between agnostic and atheist by their practice. Agnostics say you can't know God, but don't deny God's existence, they just don't know. Atheists, many/most of them deny the existence of God, some even to militant levels trying to change laws and cultures of nations to fit their own unproven beliefs.

The discussion concerned the proper definition of 'atheist' and 'agnostic'. By saying 'many/most' atheists you acknowledge that not all atheists deny God's existence. Therefore an atheist does not necessarily deny God's or any gods' existence. And therefore you're using atheist and agnostic incorrectly.

This is what you should have said:

"No you simply do not understand the difference between agnostic atheists and positive atheists by their practice".

That would be correct terminology. I think if you were to press most so-called positive atheists and ask the right questions they would actually admit to being agnostic atheists.

What you talked about next is an entirely different discussion. Even then I disagree with you. You're looking for the word antitheist here. If people were to be honest about what atheism is they'd see that atheists are much more prominent in our world than statistics tend to say and most of these people have only a neglible effect on theists.

Atheism is not a religion. I know a lot of theists want it to be because it makes it easy to push away. The fact that you take issue with people wanting to be able to be free from religion betrays that you're stereotypically hypocritical when it comes to the concept of freedom, like so many conservatives are. "Freedom of religion but not the freedom of no religion!" and the more tolerant "you can be an atheist but you need to shut up!".

[Daywolf]

The discussion concerned the proper definition of 'atheist' and 'agnostic'. By saying 'many/most' atheists you acknowledge that not all atheists deny God's existence. Therefore an atheist does not necessarily deny God's or any gods' existence. And therefore you're using atheist and agnostic incorrectly.

This is what you should have said:

"No you simply do not understand the difference between agnostic atheists and positive atheists by their practice".

That would be correct terminology. I think if you were to press most so-called positive atheists and ask the right questions they would actually admit to being agnostic atheists.

What you talked about next is an entirely different discussion. Even then I disagree with you. You're looking for the word antitheist here. If people were to be honest about what atheism is they'd see that atheists are much more prominent in our world than statistics tend to say and most of these people have only a neglible effect on theists.

Atheism is not a religion. I know a lot of theists want it to be because it makes it easy to push away. The fact that you take issue with people wanting to be able to be free from religion betrays that you're stereotypically hypocritical when it comes to the concept of freedom, like so many conservatives are. "Freedom of religion but not the freedom of no religion!" and the more tolerant "you can be an atheist but you need to shut up!".

No it just means some Atheists are not really Atheists, but Agnostics. Seriously, I've encountered atheists that really didn't know what an agnostic is. They are not taught about agnosticism in their schools, so what it doesn't exist? No, it's a social club, dude. Atheism is a hip group to be in for some, like some go to fun churches that do this and that but really don't believe in a God nor teach of such, but have lots of weird psychology and a dating scene etc.

Those people claiming to be atheists with their spaghetti god, they don't want to be sounding stupid saying they are agnostic to some militant atheist trying to wipe the world clean of any belief in a God. So like I said at the beginning, it's just a tag, much like some churches are tags, a place to just fit in socially and have fun.

And that's by modern design, I mean they teach you what to think, how to fit in, the questions to ask and those not to. It becomes an accessible voting block, gives even more power to the state, more money for schrool funding, closer to a utopian envisioned goal. Just don't get excommunicated (defunded) from your religion by saying this stuff openly, m-kay? Then you may get stuck on some Fake Science project like zero-point energy which there is no social construct recovery from.

[Rader]

I am myself fighting hard to remember that the majority of people didn't vote for golfer in chief

Hey Jar Jar, you fucking idiot, majorities voted for your God Obama twice.

[Csihar]

Maskedmelon is a much better to discuss with. He actually responds to what you say and you can discuss things point by point. He also doesn't go off on tangents ripe with false dichotomies. You're a smart and knowledgeable guy but if you would just reprogram some of your bad qualities you'd be a great person to listen to and learn from. If.

Thanks for the responses.

[rebeccablack]

No it just means some Atheists are not really Atheists, but Agnostics.
atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. most agnostics are also soft (negative) atheists, whether they identify as such or not. they are not the same thing though.

[Daywolf]

atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. most agnostics are also soft (negative) atheists, whether they identify as such or not. they are not the same thing though.
That's right, it's not the same thing, which is why I just think of it as social groups and tags to fit in with. I just look at individual actions on a whole for the most part, as humans often gravitate towards being fake all too often anyway. But then there are the devout priests in both those groups, doing everything for the cause. Just we tend to produce more athiest minded students these days, or at least willing to join into the group.

Maybe Jar Jar can tell us how it is on Naboo! lol

[Csihar]

atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. most agnostics are also soft (negative) atheists, whether they identify as such or not. they are not the same thing though.

Thank you.

[Daywolf]

Maskedmelon is a much better to discuss with. He actually responds to what you say and you can discuss things point by point. He also doesn't go off on tangents ripe with false dichotomies. You're a smart and knowledgeable guy but if you would just reprogram some of your bad qualities you'd be a great person to listen to and learn from. If.

Thanks for the responses.

I just may disagree on points and not want to hash it over again and again, then the reading gets long and eyelids get heavy, melons sometimes will. Yeah I introduce tangents, I hit topics on every side conceivable, sometimes even inconceivable, but with the topic still in focus if seemingly only in the rear view mirror. Imagine chess with words. But it doesn't translate very well to written form, except for the hardcore reader that doesn't complain after two or three paragraphs condensed. Salute!

[mickmoranis]

Science isn't by consensus, it's by proven result. I mean you really just defined what I said about much of scientists being locked into old world propaganda to control not only a population and their ideas but also how they buy or consume.

Take GMO's for example. Scientsits invent ways to feed billions, but americans think its poison.

Scientists try to inform them that it is not.

But corperations think that americas "well get confused" if they label their food. So they lobby politicians and create fake advertisment campaigns, literally to confuse consumers... So they dont have to label whats in their food.

Daywolf: you support the corporations, not the science.

[rebeccablack]

I just may disagree on points and not want to hash it over again and again, then the reading gets long and eyelids get heavy, melons sometimes will. Yeah I introduce tangents, I hit topics on every side conceivable, sometimes even inconceivable, but with the topic still in focus if seemingly only in the rear view mirror.
you're actually kind of bad at reading other peoples' posts and responding to their actual points. instead you just kind of insert whatever non sequitur gets you to the point you'd like to make, which makes having a discussion with you pretty difficult since you don't actually respond to people. i'm sure it feels to you like you win every argument though.