******Official politics thread ******

[Wonkie]

Trumps approval rating never goes below a certain level. That’s why republican establishment will not move against him. Their base likes Trump more than them. If they move against Trump, Trump posts something about them on twitter, they get in all this spotlight and eventually more trouble than they hoped to create for Trump.

Mitch is the Chosen One.

[feniin]

So, Teppler, you're saying that if Barack Obama would have called up Ukraine and asked them to investigate Trump/His kids while using US aid as a bargaining chip and it got out, you wouldn't be pushing for impeachment? Really? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

That you're okay with the president doing this is troubling and you'd rather the country and Constitution burn than hold him accountable for his actions.

[Teppler]

I’m not even a trump guy but when you guys remind me what you represent it often pushes me back in his camp.

Everything about the scenario you present to me is incorrect. There’s no comparison to Obama and Trumps circumstance. You’re presenting the situation at hand incorrectly as well. You’re telling me to make a judgement off of those false grounds.

[PieOats]

So, Teppler, you're saying that if Barack Obama would have called up Ukraine and asked them to investigate Trump/His kids while using US aid as a bargaining chip and it got out, you wouldn't be pushing for impeachment? Really? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

That you're okay with the president doing this is troubling and you'd rather the country and Constitution burn than hold him accountable for his actions.

What if TROMPK is actuslly pursuing information in the interest of *JUSTICE*, very much unlike a presidential candidate whomst was married to a former head of state and solicited retired former foreign intelligence assets to procure *FALSE* information on another wildly popular (and better looking) candidate in an effort to undermine zer foray into the political arena... for example?

[Zeboim]

"I'm not even a Trump guy, you guys just make me be conservative. btw Hitler did nothing wrong and the jews are the real villains of the 20th century."

[PieOats]

Also, nazis and butler are garbage.

[Horza]

‘Shut up, moron. Shut up. Shut up.' Trump lawyer Giuliani abuses fellow TV guest live on air as impeachment rocks White House. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-impeachment-news-latest-ukraine-rudy-giuliani-fox-news-chris-hahn-a9119401.html)

Rudy Giuliani hurled abuse at a fellow Fox News guest, calling him a “serial liar” and a “moron” as the president’s opponents pledged to seek Donald Trump’s removal from office. ‘You don’t know what you’re talking about idiot. You’re just lying… just keep your lying mouth shut.’

[Wonkie]

"I'm not even a Trump guy, you guys just make me be conservative. btw Hitler did nothing wrong and the jews are the real villains of the 20th century."

:D

[Horza]

The Senate has voted 54-41 to terminate President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency at the southern border and to stop the diversion of military funds to pay for a wall along the border. (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/25/senate-votes-to-block-trump-national-emergency-over-border-wall.html)

Still, the Republican-held chamber fell short of the two-thirds majority needed to overcome the president’s likely veto of the measure. The Senate voted 54-41 to terminate the emergency, as 11 Republicans joined Democrats in supporting the resolution.

[Zeboim]

What if TROMPK is actuslly pursuing information in the interest of *JUSTICE*

Justice, specifically about the candidate that he considers most likely to run against him, 10 years after the fact, on a conference call with others, while threatening to withhold support to a desperate country that is being invaded by the most powerful nation in its region? Wow that's definitely not shady and totally above board. 10/10 Presidential

[feniin]

I’m not even a trump guy but when you guys remind me what you represent it often pushes me back in his camp.

Everything about the scenario you present to me is incorrect. There’s no comparison to Obama and Trumps circumstance. You’re presenting the situation at hand incorrectly as well. You’re telling me to make a judgement off of those false grounds.
I'm telling you to flip the parties. If it was a Democrat you would want their head on a pike.

[Teppler]

I'm telling you to flip the parties. If it was a Democrat you would want their head on a pike.

It doesn’t work that way. Democrats and republican names are defined by the parties that support them and their actions. You can’t just flip the names. Obama enjoyed support from the globalist establishment filled with their bought judges and intelligence agencies. Trump has to work against them.

Democrats still think investigating their crimes is a crime. Hah.

[Teppler]

I don’t even know why I’m wasting time with this latest mental illness of the week from demented Trump haters. This ones falling apart even faster than usual.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/ukraine-whistleblowers-lead-attorney-donated-to-biden/

[Horza]

White House mistakenly sends Trump-Ukraine talking points to Democrats. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-mistakenly-sends-trump-ukraine-talking-points-to-democrats/2019/09/25/5170aa52-dfb2-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html)

In the hours after the release Wednesday of the rough transcript of President Trump’s July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the White House circulated an email with proposed talking points for Trump’s defenders. Unfortunately for the White House, the email was mistakenly sent to not only Republicans but also Democratic lawmakers and their staff.

Among the talking points distributed by the White House is the claim that there was no quid pro quo and that “what the President actually talked about was entirely proper.”

[Wonkie]

I don’t even know why I’m wasting time with this latest mental illness of the week from demented Trump haters. This ones falling apart even faster than usual.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/ukraine-whistleblowers-lead-attorney-donated-to-biden/

is this supposed to mean something? :confused:

[Horza]

The White House is trying to “recall” the talking points they sent to Democrats. (https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1176890843640283141)

[Teppler]

abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trumps-doj-clears-president-violating-campaign-finance-law/story%3fid=65849857

‘Trump's DOJ clears president of violating campaign finance law in Ukraine-Biden call’

“In 2014, the former vice president pushed for the dismissal of a top Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating an oil company that had taken on Biden's son as a board member.“

Naughty naughty sleepy Joe.

[Teppler]

The Trump Rotation
Pick a random number and see why orange man bad!!!

1. Illegitimate President
2. Lost the Popular Vote
3. Incompetent
4. White House Chaos
5. Unhinged updated to Unglued
6. Liar
7. Hitler
8. Demands loyalty
9. Cheeseburgers is all he eats, McDonalds
10. Sex offender
11. Russian Agent
12. Never says anything bad about Putin
13. White supremacist/Pro-Nazi
14. Narcissist
15. Mentally Unfit (dummy)
16. Insane/dementia
17. Unstable
18. Clown or Bozo
19. Foreign leaders hate him
20. Hates women, misogynist
21. Hates Muslims, Islamophobic
22. Hates gays, Homophobic
23. Anti-Semite
24. Admitted molester and/or Rapist
25. 25th Amendment should be instituted
26. Should be Impeached
27. Hates immigrants
28. Hates Mexicans in particular
29. Says all Mexicans are rapists
30. Racist
31. Small hands, small penis, big red button
32. Should not have nuclear codes
33. Immature
34. Child-like, you need an adult in the room
35. Tweets too much
36. Thin-skinned
37. Bully
38. Holds grudges forever
39. Mean
40. Bankrupt/Does not have any money
41. Long ties
42. Fatter than 239 pounds
43. Plays golf too much, after criticizing Obama
44. Hypocrite by action seldom called one
45. Incestuous, would date daughter
46. Divorcee
47. Golden showers, pee pervert
48. Tax Cheat – won’t release taxes
49. Impetuous
50. Nixonian
51. Divisive
52. Corrupt/Violates the emolument clause.
53. Said Nazis are fine people in Charlottesville
54. Wants to separate families.
55. Puts children in cages.
56. Conspiracy theorist.
57. Obstruction of justice
58. Money laundering
59. Runs the mob
60. Puts ketchup on his steak
61. Eats his steak well-done
62. Eats fried chicken with a fork
63. Philanderer
64. Two scoops
65. Racketeer
66. Supports the NRA
67. Philistine
68. Makes fun of veterans/PoWs
69. Makes fun of disabled people
70. Makes fun of children
71. Has orange spray tan
72. Wears a hairpiece
73. Low approval rating
74. Uses position to profit at his resort
75. Transphobic
76. Uses white power dog whistles
77. Doesn’t have a presidential dog, hates animals
78. Wants to build a wall and destroy natural ecosystems, hates nature
79. Misspells tweets, covfefe
80. Was on WWE wrestling
81. Owns a firearm, has a concealed carry permit
82. Made fun of sitting congressmen
83. Wants to take healthcare away from everyone
84. Wants to kill the poor
85. Wants to make English the official language of the country
86. Wants to make Christianity the official religion of the country
87. Supports Vice President who believes in gay conversion camps
88. Ancestor profited off immoral business, immoral business practices
89. Had to get a million dollar loan from his dad to become successful
90. Orange man bad
91. Doesn’t live at White House with his wife and son
92. Has autistic son
93. Has future school shooter son
94. Lets son play minecraft / video games all day
95. Makes son stay up all night for campaign/election events
96. Went on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane/went to Lolita Island
97. Wants to throw political opponents in jail for being in wrong political party
98. Doesn’t want to ban “assault weapons”
99. Is a fascist
00. Bonald BLUMPFH!!!

[Horza]

Trump proclaims that Nancy Pelosi is no longer the Speaker of the House. (https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1176929303877115904?)

Q: Did you ask Nancy Pelosi to find a way out of impeachment?

Trump: "Not at all. She has lost her way. She has been taken over by the radical left. Unfortunately she is no longer the Speaker of the House."

[Teppler]

So it looks like Biden is going to be out of the running from this scandal.

I can’t imagine how Warren is going to screw up the nomination now.

[Wonkie]

abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trumps-doj-clears-president-violating-campaign-finance-law/story%3fid=65849857

‘Trump's DOJ clears president of violating campaign finance law in Ukraine-Biden call’

“In 2014, the former vice president pushed for the dismissal of a top Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating an oil company that had taken on Biden's son as a board member.“

Naughty naughty sleepy Joe.

Doj is part of the Executive. This is dumber than usual are you ok?

[Wonkie]

The Trump Rotation
Pick a random number and see why orange man bad!!!

1. Illegitimate President
2. Lost the Popular Vote
3. Incompetent
4. White House Chaos
5. Unhinged updated to Unglued
6. Liar
7. Hitler
8. Demands loyalty
9. Cheeseburgers is all he eats, McDonalds
10. Sex offender
11. Russian Agent
12. Never says anything bad about Putin
13. White supremacist/Pro-Nazi
14. Narcissist
15. Mentally Unfit (dummy)
16. Insane/dementia
17. Unstable
18. Clown or Bozo
19. Foreign leaders hate him
20. Hates women, misogynist
21. Hates Muslims, Islamophobic
22. Hates gays, Homophobic
23. Anti-Semite
24. Admitted molester and/or Rapist
25. 25th Amendment should be instituted
26. Should be Impeached
27. Hates immigrants
28. Hates Mexicans in particular
29. Says all Mexicans are rapists
30. Racist
31. Small hands, small penis, big red button
32. Should not have nuclear codes
33. Immature
34. Child-like, you need an adult in the room
35. Tweets too much
36. Thin-skinned
37. Bully
38. Holds grudges forever
39. Mean
40. Bankrupt/Does not have any money
41. Long ties
42. Fatter than 239 pounds
43. Plays golf too much, after criticizing Obama
44. Hypocrite by action seldom called one
45. Incestuous, would date daughter
46. Divorcee
47. Golden showers, pee pervert
48. Tax Cheat – won’t release taxes
49. Impetuous
50. Nixonian
51. Divisive
52. Corrupt/Violates the emolument clause.
53. Said Nazis are fine people in Charlottesville
54. Wants to separate families.
55. Puts children in cages.
56. Conspiracy theorist.
57. Obstruction of justice
58. Money laundering
59. Runs the mob
60. Puts ketchup on his steak
61. Eats his steak well-done
62. Eats fried chicken with a fork
63. Philanderer
64. Two scoops
65. Racketeer
66. Supports the NRA
67. Philistine
68. Makes fun of veterans/PoWs
69. Makes fun of disabled people
70. Makes fun of children
71. Has orange spray tan
72. Wears a hairpiece
73. Low approval rating
74. Uses position to profit at his resort
75. Transphobic
76. Uses white power dog whistles
77. Doesn’t have a presidential dog, hates animals
78. Wants to build a wall and destroy natural ecosystems, hates nature
79. Misspells tweets, covfefe
80. Was on WWE wrestling
81. Owns a firearm, has a concealed carry permit
82. Made fun of sitting congressmen
83. Wants to take healthcare away from everyone
84. Wants to kill the poor
85. Wants to make English the official language of the country
86. Wants to make Christianity the official religion of the country
87. Supports Vice President who believes in gay conversion camps
88. Ancestor profited off immoral business, immoral business practices
89. Had to get a million dollar loan from his dad to become successful
90. Orange man bad
91. Doesn’t live at White House with his wife and son
92. Has autistic son
93. Has future school shooter son
94. Lets son play minecraft / video games all day
95. Makes son stay up all night for campaign/election events
96. Went on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane/went to Lolita Island
97. Wants to throw political opponents in jail for being in wrong political party
98. Doesn’t want to ban “assault weapons”
99. Is a fascist
00. Bonald BLUMPFH!!!

Why put the real answers in with the joke answers?

What's your game chanman

[Teppler]

Doj is part of the Executive. This is dumber than usual are you ok?

https://i.imgflip.com/2ahr1p.jpg

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgflip.com/2ahr1p.jpg

Kinda? Crimea.

[Horza]

So who is the Speaker of the House now that Trump has fired Pelosi?

[Teppler]

Now that I dig a little deeper here’s the story I’m getting

Hunter Biden is placed on the board of Ukraine’s most corrupt energy company. He has no knowledge nor experience for the position, one of the last acts of the Obama presidency was to send $1billion in aid to Ukraine, the entire deal was Joe Biden’s idea, the money was used to buy aid related things for the people of Ukraine, but the money went to fake corporations registered in Cyprus, the people never got any aid, the fake corporations were created by the energy company Hunter Biden is a board member of.

The money disappears(US tax payer money), no aid is delivered to Ukraine, Trump becomes president, no one asks any questions where the money went nor why until now.

[Teppler]

Also

Before Hunter’s position as board member for the Ukraine company, he was one of the top guys at a company called Rosemont Seneca. The entire company was a scam, a front for legalized bribery. Chinese corporations that were fronts for the Chinese government invested heavily multiple times into Rosemont Seneca, hundreds of millions of dollars, and in return Joe Biden, along with John Kerry whose step son was in the company too, negotiated softball deals over US-China relations. Biden basically sold out the US, the American people, and the American military by allowing Chinese corporate expansion all over the world via sea routes, the interesting thing about Chinese corporation sea routes and ports is that their placements don’t make logical sense, unless you look at from a military point of view.

If Trump is actually going after Biden for his billion dollar scam, that may be the tip of the iceberg. The reason why politicians are beginning to call for Trump’s execution is because the Obama administration has done things that warrant that exact thing.

[Horza]

The look on Ukrainian President Zelensky's face when Trump says he hopes Putin and Zelensky can get together and "solve your problems." (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFVJsNYW4AAq6mb.png:large)

[Zeboim]

Good, let's toss Biden. Feel the Bern.

[Wonkie]

I’m honestly puzzled that Trump’s defenders online are claiming any kind of vindication over the contents of this transcript. It admits one profound abuse of power, and it implies another, even worse, violation of the public trust. (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-trump-ukraine-transcript-contains-evidence-of-a-quid-pro-quo/)

[feniin]

It doesn’t work that way. Democrats and republican names are defined by the parties that support them and their actions. You can’t just flip the names. Obama enjoyed support from the globalist establishment filled with their bought judges and intelligence agencies. Trump has to work against them.

Democrats still think investigating their crimes is a crime. Hah.

I apologize for treating you like a normal, functioning adult. Brain damage is no laughing matter. I hope that you find the help you need in our dysfunctional healthcare system. At least you won't be gassed and left in a mass grave like your boy Adolf would have done. You might even be invited to be a guest on Fox News!

[Teppler]

I apologize for treating you like a normal, functioning adult. Brain damage is no laughing matter. I hope that you find the help you need in our dysfunctional healthcare system. At least you won't be gassed and left in a mass grave like your boy Adolf would have done. You might even be invited to be a guest on Fox News!

:(

[Teppler]

Good, let's toss Biden. Feel the Bern.

Don't you get it? The entire democrat field is rotten. Let's pretend for a moment your precious Bernie is an honest one. He works within the DNC which is a criminal anti american organization that puts all their weight around Hillary's and these Biden's for a reason.

[rebeccablack]

Hunter Biden is placed on the board of Ukraine’s most corrupt energy company. He has no knowledge nor experience for the position
leveraging your dads power/fame into a sweet job you have no qualifications for is not a crime unfortunately, see: ivanka, don jr, eric, jared

one of the last acts of the Obama presidency was to send $1billion in aid to Ukraine, the entire deal was Joe Biden’s idea, the money was used to buy aid related things for the people of Ukraine, but the money went to fake corporations registered in Cyprus, the people never got any aid, the fake corporations were created by the energy company Hunter Biden is a board member of.
gonna need a legit source on this one broseph

[Horza]

Trump holds first press conference since impeachment inquiry launch. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/sep/25/trump-ukraine-news-today-live-impeachment-democrats-pelosi-latest)

Trump has responded to the first question on the Ukraine controversy by echoing the Republican messaging that the White House memo on his phone call with the country’s president showed no quid pro quo.

“I thought we won,” Trump said, adding that he believed the threat of investigation was “dead” after the Mueller report. He also continued to accuse the media of being “fake” and “corrupt.” “I used to be the king of getting good press,” he said, lamenting, “all of the trauma that all of these fakers have caused.”

[Horza]

The look on rebeccablack's face while trying to have a reasoned debate with an actual Nazi. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFVJsNYW4AAq6mb.png)

[Patriam1066]

Y’all should read the Economist’s Hour by Binyamin Applebaum

[Lune]

Where's all the Trump supporters?

I want to watch them try to defend this. Your man tried to get a foreign state to investigate a political opponent. It doesn't matter who else you think may have done it; they weren't stupid enough to get caught.

[Teppler]

Where's all the Trump supporters?

I want to watch them try to defend this. Your man tried to get a foreign state to investigate a political opponent. It doesn't matter who else you think may have done it; they weren't stupid enough to get caught.

Horza floods the topic every time I make a post. TDS taken over the topic.

[Teppler]

This is going to get ugly. Biden's career is finished.

https://i.ibb.co/TRjj6gx/biden1.jpg

[Horza]

The look on Teppler's face while trying to defend the behavior of a self-sabotaging moron. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFVJsNYW4AAq6mb.png)

[Wonkie]

This is going to get ugly. Biden's career is finished.

https://i.ibb.co/TRjj6gx/biden1.jpg

Good. Lock them both up.

[Zeboim]

Renowned trustworthy source, George Snuffalupagus.

But still, impeach Joe Biden! Hey Hey! Joe Joe! Bidenman has got to go! Wait, what do you mean he's not actually elected anything?

[Teppler]

How great would it be if we can end up hanging Obama off this mess of high treason?

It would be kind of a beautiful thing imo. That we’re so far into a post racial world that we can hang him purely off being a corrupt politician instead of his blackness.

[Horza]

Obama isn't the one who's being impeached, despite your apparent distaste of his blackness.

[Wonkie]

I think you just want to hang black people

Both sides

[Teppler]

Obama isn't the one who's being impeached, despite your apparent distaste of his blackness.

You are aware these are extremely high treason crimes being discussed that happened on Obama's watch and within his administration, right?

[Wonkie]

Just a normal white guy fantasizing about lynching blacks on the elf boards

[Teppler]

Listen I'm just saying. We've come a long way where we can talk about hanging a guy like Obama and have it not about him being black. Is that so wrong to say? I think it's a beautiful thing.

[Horza]

Just a normal white guy fantasizing about lynching blacks on the elf boards

[Zeboim]

We can hang people of all colors. Black, White, Orange...

[Canelek]

Let's pretend for a moment

You certainly are doing plenty of that! Do you huff camera lens cleaner while reading Daily Stormer?

[tsuchang]

It is really fun to watch PRESIDENT Trump twist the tail of the FAKE news, (not the regular news), and have them make fools of themselves.
Really really funny. I really literally laugh, out loud at their antics.
I'm so glad Hillary lost. It makes me smile.
As far as the previous administration, if they are guilty of crimes, they should be prosecuted. Like Ms. Palosie said last night, "No one is above the law."

[Wonkie]

It is really fun to watch PRESIDENT Trump twist the tail of the FAKE news, (not the regular news), and have them make fools of themselves.
Really really funny. I really literally laugh, out loud at their antics.
I'm so glad Hillary lost. It makes me smile.
As far as the previous administration, if they are guilty of crimes, they should be prosecuted. Like Ms. Palosie said last night, "No one is above the law."

Haha you grew up in the shadow of the Atom.

Did it give you brain damage?

[feniin]

Yikes

[Teppler]

So if we can get away from the cackling hyenas attacking the common man for a moment- Just as I suspected

https://i.ibb.co/ThSD4Jp/primarypoll.png

And Bernie is still getting cucked. Can't even beat Scandal Man.

[Wonkie]

So if we can get away from the cackling hyenas attacking the common man for a moment- Just as I suspected

https://i.ibb.co/ThSD4Jp/primarypoll.png

And Bernie is still getting cucked. Can't even beat Scandal Man.

attribution? Seems like a meme

[Horza]

I can only wish Warren were polling that far above Biden.

[Wonkie]

I can only wish Warren were polling that far above Biden.

[Horza]

Twenty-seven percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents polled by Quinnipiac University said they favor Warren, according to a survey released Wednesday morning. Twenty-five percent said they prefer former Vice President Joe Biden. (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/warren-beats-biden-national-poll-1510726)

The latest survey reinforces other public polling showing Warren and Biden separating from their fellow contenders in the Democratic presidential race. Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders ranked third in Tuesday’s poll, achieving 16 percent support, followed by Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., with 7 percent, and California Sen. Kamala Harris at 3 percent.

[Zeboim]

Let's be honest here, the DNC is never going to allow Sanders. Biden going down in flames, although there's no way in hell this Rep fantasy of him being prosecuted happens. Dude is at least 5 years past his Sell By date and this Ukraine thing is going to be a buttery males situation. Beto committed suicide on stage. We're at least 15 years too early for a gay guy to win the Presidency. Nobody actually likes Harris, I'm pretty sure.

It's gonna be Warren.

[Horza]

As much as I like Bernie, Warren is pretty much an acceptable alternative if she has some real momentum going for her.

[Canelek]

Bernie and Harris are just too much for moderate or aisle-swapping voters. Biden is out of touch and sometimes barely has more personal space awareness than trump.

I did like Beto, but thought he left the gate too early and didn't do himself any favors by being overly emotional and triggering conservative gun owners. He may have a chance down the road, but not now.

Warren seems the best (for now).

[Wonkie]

Beto was only notable for being a Dem from Texas. I hope the fantasy of blue Texas dies with his campaign.

[Zeboim]

I'm from Texas. Blue Texas is far from a dream, but it isn't happening this time. It might have if Beto had run for Senate again and kept his mouth shut on guns, but that was a long shot.

I am about 75% certain we will see a blue Texas in the next 10 years.

[Wonkie]

I'm from Texas. Blue Texas is far from a dream, but it isn't happening this time. It might have if Beto had run for Senate again and kept his mouth shut on guns, but that was a long shot.

I am about 75% certain we will see a blue Texas in the next 10 years.

Texas will never be blue. The commoners have too much money.

[Horza]

Despite all of the juicy stuff going on with Trump and Biden this week, my favorite was when Trudeau admitted that he wore blackface and sang Day-O as Harry Belafonte while giving a press conference apologizing for wearing brownface at an Arabian Nights-themed party.

[Teppler]

Hey let’s look at the bright side Bernie fans. The mans gonna walk away from this election with another r8 or lake house at the very least. No refunds hehehe.

[Teppler]

Greta Thunberg without a script

https://youtu.be/0bwLt_5t73g

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

The most seasoned politicians know about likely questions and have scripts ahead of time to refer to written up by aides who earn tons of $$$

I think we can let off a 16 year old girl with no credentials for not being mad prepared.

[Teppler]

The most seasoned politicians know about likely questions and have scripts ahead of time to refer to written up by aides who earn tons of $$$

I think we can let off a 16 year old girl with no credentials for not being mad prepared.

If she has no credentials and she can't talk, what is she doing on any and every western media show that has any sort of political commentary along with the UN?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Doing a better job of rallying people than most politicians it seems and with no paycheque or ulterior motives. I know.

It's hard to imagine people doing things that they believe in and not getting kick backs from arms/oil companies.

Shame for her the world is such a cynical sewer these days.

[Teppler]

Doing a better job of rallying people than most politicians it seems and with no paycheque or ulterior motives. I know.

It's hard to imagine people doing things that they believe in and not getting kick backs from arms/oil companies.

Shame for her the world is such a cynical sewer these days.

People wonder where billion dollar EU propaganda goes into. This guy above me is a clear example. He is totally and completely ignorant of the giant businesses guiding Greta Thunberg and he actually defends her actively as having 'no ulterior motive' and 'no paycheque'.

The business behind Greta Thunberg- https://streamable.com/7mhd2

Greta's main handler-

https://yournews.com/wp-content/uplo...uAd.jpg?x84851

If you check out her photos young Greta is being escorted around the country by her handler – far left activist Luisa-Marie Neubauer.

Luisa-Marie Neubauer is a 23-year-old German climate protection activist. In Germany, she is one of the main organizers of the School strike for climate movement, inspired by Greta Thunberg. She supports the implementation of Agenda 2030 in Germany and a climate policy that is compatible with the Paris Agreement. Neubauer is a member of Alliance 90/The Greens and the Green Youth.

Luisa-Marie Neubauer belongs to a far left organization called “ONE” foundation.

According to Deutschland-Kurier Luisa Neubauer she is the “Youth Ambassador” of ONE, an international lobbying and campaigning organization.

Some of the main funders of ONE- Bill and Melinda Gates, George Soros. List is below-

https://i.ibb.co/rMrbp1c/oneorgan.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/4FDPYw7/gretaship.png

https://i.ibb.co/MnQVWX6/gretaship2.png

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No paycheck huh? She only has the absolutely richest people in the world funding her. I'm not sure you could be more wrong than this. Not to mention, her actor parents released a book at the time of her climate strike.

[Patriam1066]

Where's all the Trump supporters?

I want to watch them try to defend this. Your man tried to get a foreign state to investigate a political opponent. It doesn't matter who else you think may have done it; they weren't stupid enough to get caught.

Yeah, he should be impeached. Worst and most obviously illegal thing he’s done yet. My only worry is that Pence will (probably) nuke Iran, and would, for all of TRUMP’s stupidity, be even worse than our current Oval Office occupant.

[zodium]

TROAMP

[Teppler]

I was getting off Trump for a while but I think he's brought me back. Especially the fact that he's getting shit done against the Biden/Obama administration now.

I actually think Trump has locked up 2020 with this latest story. I think it's incredibly good optics for him and it rallies someone like me.

Warren is pretty much a joke candidate too. Clowning on her is going to be hilarious.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwA6kGrU0AAQDVO.jpg

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

You go. One day people will realize that the envoiroment was more important than propping up already failed economies (nothing like printing more money)

The people currently in charge of the world just love the trickle down economics which only benefits the top 1%.

Honestly if you think people like Boris Johnson and Trump have the worlds best interest at heart over someone like Greta the future is worse than i thought. I fear for my children honestly.

One last edit: Whomever surrounds Greta IS important as THEY likely have agendas. In the end her agenda is the envoiroment. If you dont believe that then there is little hope honestly. I can say i have at least something in common with her which goes toward good. As it stands freakshows like Trumps agenda is money and power. If the people surrounding Gretas agenda is money and power at least the envoiroment is in there someplace.

Trump? Johnson etc? They are so rich and privilged they are almost a different species with different concerns. They are nothing like me and honestly anyone who thinks for a minute trump etc would consider them equals is kidding themselves. These politicians turn up to rallys smile, wave and make everyone think "they are one of them". They are nothing like us and see us like animals. We are an expendable resource to them.

[Teppler]

You go. One day people will realize that the envoiroment was more important than propping up already failed economies (nothing like printing more money)

The people currently in charge of the world just love the trickle down economics which only benefits the top 1%.

Honestly if you think people like Boris Johnson and Trump have the worlds best interest at heart over someone like Greta the future is worse than i thought. I fear for my children honestly.

The money never gets to the people or the green projects.

Think about the optics of pushing green energy. It's great. All these great buzzwords. Clean. Sustainable. Cheap. It's none of that. It's wildly inefficient and expensive. But fools like you eat up 'clean energy' buzz words and will happily vote on any grant no matter how inefficient or expensive it is. Which is great for people that want to exploit it.

The elites who are behind Greta are doing it to fund themselves. Are you following what is happening with Trump/Biden's Son? The Ukraine aka Sorosville received a ton of aid from the US tax payers that was supposed to be for the Ukraine people but went to a bunch of fake corporations in Cyprus. Those companies was filled with unqualified elites from the same group that is funding Greta. Biden's son being one of those unqualified elites. The money and aid never got to the people. By favors, prosecutors in the Ukraine were fired for looking into this corruption.

It's literally the same people funding Greta that committed this high treason crime against America. There's only so many players on the world stage.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

The money never gets to the people or the green projects.

Think about the optics of pushing green energy. It's great. All these great buzzwords. Clean. Sustainable. Cheap. It's none of that. It's wildly inefficient and expensive. But fools like you eat up 'clean energy' buzz words and will happily vote on any grant no matter how inefficient or expensive it is. Which is great for people that want to exploit it.

The elites who are behind Greta are doing it to fund themselves. Are you following what is happening with Trump/Biden's Son? The Ukraine aka Sorosville received a ton of aid from the US tax payers to go to a big time energy company. The energy company was filled with unqualified elites from the same group that is funding Greta. Biden's son being one of those unqualified elites. The money and aid never got to the people. By favors, prosecutors in the Ukraine were fired for looking into this corruption.

It's literally the same people funding Greta that committed this high treason crime against America. There's only so many players on the world stage.

CAreful now. I never said anything about clean energy etc. I'm not naive. Lets not start throwing around "fools like you".

Just because other kinds of power are not CLEAN does not mean they are LESS CLEAN than another. Sometimes going for the next best option is still better than what we currently have. Just because some greedy prick embezzled money doesnt mean everyone will. I suspect she has found herself in a sad position of being offered a way of reaching more people at the cost of some credibility. Tough choice.

Money should not be a barrier to a better future for children. It sure isnt a barrier for war.

[Teppler]

CAreful now. I never said anything about clean energy etc. I'm not naive. Lets not start throwing around "fools like you".

Just because other kinds of power are not CLEAN does not mean they are LESS CLEAN than another. Sometimes going for the next best option is still better than what we currently have.

Money should not be a barrier to a better future for children. It sure isnt a barrier for war.

Well you are definitely a fool if you think Greta is unfunded. You're taken advantage of and the victim of propaganda.

You can talk about should be or shouldn't be's all you want but it doesn't matter. Elites decide. Establishment liberals have committed 'well poisoning' with green energy. Any government grant and project into it largely becomes an exploited money grab.

Usually what happens with innovation is there's some need for the population and some genius inventor thinks of something and gets rich. In these cases government keeps spending money to fix the energy problem and it keeps going to these asshole elites who don't come up with anything useful.

I have a red pill for you too. Nuclear energy is generally safe and incredibly powerful and efficient.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Well you are definitely a fool if you think Greta is unfunded. You're taken advantage of and the victim of propaganda.

You can talk about should be or shouldn't be's all you want but it doesn't matter. Elites decide. Establishment liberals have committed 'well poisoning' with green energy. Any government grant and project into it largely becomes an exploited money grab.

Usually what happens with innovation is there's some need for the population and some genius inventor thinks of something and gets rich. In these cases government keeps spending money to fix the energy problem and it keeps going to these asshole elites who don't come up with anything useful.

I have a red pill for you too. Nuclear energy is generally safe and incredibly powerful and efficient.

Actually i didn't know about that. But that wasn't a result of "believing" anything more a lack of research which i need to do. It's still rather disconcerting anyone would go to the lengths of calling someone a "fool" 2 posts into a discussion.

HOnestly i'll just end this here by saying I believe our governments (whereever you are...im guessing U.S.A) do not have the envoiroments interests at heart....which they should (because you cant drink money).

If you think Trump has your best interest at heart then power to you i guess.

I don't think my countrys government has mine at heart.

I'm aware of the statistics of Nuclear Power unfortunately as with most things they are put out to tender for the cheapest bidder resulting in what SHOULD be safe often becoming....well less safe.

All we can do is fight for what we think is right and hope in the future we picked the right horse to back. I'm happy so far i've done that. I'm 90% sure at this point i can tell my kids I tried my best to at least stand up for the envoiroment to the best of my ability.

Have fun. I'm sure Mr Trump wont screw you over.

[BallzDeep]

Imagine being a Trump supporting Hitler apologist/sympathizer in 2019. Yikes.

Imagine wanting to silence anyone's opinion or point of view you don't agree with. Yikes. I think Hitler was obviously bad. I'm open to hearing his point of view even if it doesn't agree with mine. You aren't. We need less people like you.

[Teppler]

Actually i didn't know about that. But that wasn't a result of "believing" anything more a lack of research which i need to do. It's still rather disconcerting anyone would go to the lengths of calling someone a "fool" 2 posts into a discussion.

HOnestly i'll just end this here by saying I believe our governments (whereever you are...im guessing U.S.A) do not have the envoiroments interests at heart....which they should (because you cant drink money).

If you think Trump has your best interest at heart then power to you i guess.

I don't think my countrys government has mine at heart.

I'm aware of the statistics of Nuclear Power unfortunately as with most things they are put out to tender for the cheapest bidder resulting in what SHOULD be safe often becoming....well less safe.

All we can do is fight for what we think is right and hope in the future we picked the right horse to back. I'm happy so far i've done that. I'm 90% sure at this point i can tell my kids I tried my best to at least stand up for the envoiroment to the best of my ability.

Have fun. I'm sure Mr Trump wont screw you over.

I'm not a Trump fan boy. I've trashed him a lot on these very forums in the past. However, right now, he is by the the best option we have. I support a lot of things he's done and continues to do.

You should really support him for going after these fraud energy companies because they are the ones exploiting the field of energy. In fact this latest story SHOULD put you firmly in his camp.

There's clearly a cabal of elites exploiting green energy. Any grants will go through them. How are they not public enemy #1 for you? Instead you support them by pushing Greta Thunberg as having 'no paycheck' and 'no ulterior motive'.

You didn't know it but you were doing the bidding of the people you are also arguing against.

People wonder where propaganda dollars goes into. Keeping people like this guy in a spin. How devious is it that they effectively pushed him to do that?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I'm not a Trump fan boy. I've trashed him a lot on these very forums in the past. However, right now, he is by the the best option we have. I support a lot of things he's done and continues to do.

You should really support him for going after these fraud energy companies because they are the ones exploiting the field of energy. In fact this latest story SHOULD put you firmly in his camp.

There's clearly a cabal of elites exploiting green energy. Any grants will go through them. How are they not public enemy #1 for you? Instead you support them by pushing Greta Thunberg as having 'no paycheck' and 'no ulterior motive'.

You didn't know it but you were doing the bidding of the people you are also arguing against.

People wonder where propaganda dollars goes into. Keeping people like this guy in a spin. How devious is it that they effectively pushed him to do that?

I'm English and live in England so i'm fairly certain I do not want to be supporting him. Also no offense even if i was american i definatley would not support a person who openly mocks disabled people at rallies (easily verifiable as it was filmed).

You know what, theres little point going into his short comings (like him saying he would deffo do his daughter if he wasnt her dad....creepy) because he did it all on T.V/in range of a sound recorder.

My moral compass is fine. I would happily accept a cut in living standards to keep that in check. Lucky for me my government is doing a great job in cutting my living standards without my consent anyway to toss more money to their rich friends.

I'll never vote for them though. I would sooner vote for and support someone with similar moral values to myself who will never get near power than anyone who has a remote chance of getting in the office. I'll go down poor, ill likely die poor but ill die a poor schmuck who refused to allow a racist, xenophobic, sexist imbecile pull the wool over my eyes.

Luckily as i said above thats easy to do since i won't see any money thanks to my goverment as long as they have anything to do with it.

FInal Edit: The lesser of 2 evils is no argument either. There is a 3rd option. Spoil your ballet properly. It gets recorded. If enough people did it it can be make a change and your concience stays clear.

[BallzDeep]

I'm telling you to flip the parties. If it was a Democrat you would want their head on a pike.

It already has been dumbass. Look at all the illegal shit during the Hilary candidacy. Weren't tapes destroyed? Wasn't Bernie robbed from an election. You claiming you want to impeach a President based on influencing foreign powers is similar to me wanting to bring Obama to court for the "wire tapping" episodes in the White House. Most people can make rational decisions and listen to opposing points of view and come to a determination.

[Zeboim]

You're absolutely right, let's impeach Obama and Hillary.

[BallzDeep]

Trump proclaims that Nancy Pelosi is no longer the Speaker of the House. (https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1176929303877115904?)

Q: Did you ask Nancy Pelosi to find a way out of impeachment?

Trump: "Not at all. She has lost her way. She has been taken over by the radical left. Unfortunately she is no longer the Speaker of the House."

This poster doesn't understand what a metaphor is.

[BallzDeep]

You're absolutely right, let's impeach Obama and Hillary.

Reading comprehension is strong with you. He said what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot. My point is nothing is different. Sorry you are behind.

[feniin]

Just because someone else may have done something wrong (they didn't, btw) doesn't mean you should ignore when the current president does something wrong.

[Teppler]

I'm English and live in England so i'm fairly certain I do not want to be supporting him. Also no offense even if i was american i definatley would not support a person who openly mocks disabled people at rallies (easily verifiable as it was filmed).

You know what, theres little point going into his short comings (like him saying he would deffo do his daughter if he wasnt her dad....creepy) because he did it all on T.V/in range of a sound recorder.

My moral compass is fine. I would happily accept a cut in living standards to keep that in check. Lucky for me my government is doing a great job in cutting my living standards without my consent anyway to toss more money to their rich friends.

I'll never vote for them though. I would sooner vote for and support someone with similar moral values to myself who will never get near power than anyone who has a remote chance of getting in the office. I'll go down poor, ill likely die poor but ill die a poor schmuck who refused to allow a racist, xenophobic, sexist imbecile pull the wool over my eyes.

Luckily as i said above thats easy to do since i won't see any money thanks to my goverment as long as they have anything to do with it.

You have a moral but very naive mindset. You've eaten too much propaganda from your elites about a populous candidate we got in the US because your elites, that exploit you, don't like him.

For example, that story about Trump mocking the disabled reporter wasn't true.

MEDIA MEME:

Donald Trump cruelly mimicked and ridiculed a reporter’s disability.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

From 2005 until 2016, Trump occasionally mocked some individuals by shaking his arms with limp wrists and gaping his mouth. Consider ten examples: he did this to make fun of himself, a bank president, Marco Rubio, Serge Kovaleski, The Washington Post, a U.S. Army General, George Stephanopoulos, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, and Donna Brazile. Reporters and pundits did not know (or care) that this was a common way in which Trump mocks some individuals, so they focused on a freeze-frame in which Trump’s right elbow and wrist were momentarily bent, to make it seem that he was mimicking Kovaleski’s disability.

You wouldn't know that though. You clearly eat up what your media tells you and they are financially invested in a certain way.

Don't trust what people tell you. You need to analyze actions behind the talk as well.

Your problem is you will vote for someone that will say they have similar morals to you about green energy but then they'll just turn around and send tax payer money to their sons and daughters like Biden did. What are you going to do about that after the fact? Nothing. In fact people on your side tend to want Trump jailed for trying to expose it.

[rebeccablack]

You claiming you want to impeach a President based on influencing foreign powers is similar to me wanting to bring Obama to court for the "wire tapping" episodes in the White House.
whataboutism aside, i dont see how you can see these as equivalent circumstances and not support prosecuting trump over his abuse of power here

[BallzDeep]

Just because someone else may have done something wrong (they didn't, btw) doesn't mean you should ignore when the current president does something wrong.

No but if you are making decisions based on bias and I am telling you I can see you bias, you should atleast be able to acknowledged. It's similar to a buddy at work who hates Trump. I showed him a picture of Joe Biden giving a pedo look to a girl. His response is "Yeah but look at Trump and his daughter." My next question is "Why does everything relate back to Trump with you?"

Can someone not agree that Trump has a creepy thing with his daughter and Biden also gives the pedo look from time to time. There are people like yourself that always want to relate everything to Trump. Trump is the issue for all your problems. It isn't true and your delusional and bias.

[BallzDeep]

whataboutism aside, i dont see how you can see these as equivalent circumstances and not support prosecuting trump over his abuse of power here

Because both are hearsay and there is no actual evidence of crimes (minus Hillary) until tried in court. Hate to break it to you but you aren't the judge and getting majority of your information through the game of telephone.

[Wonkie]

whataboutism aside, i dont see how you can see these as equivalent circumstances and not support prosecuting trump over his abuse of power here

obama wore a tan suit and ate the wrong mustard

both sides

[BallzDeep]

I don't know where people lost the idea that due process doesn't matter but it sets the precedent for a very fucked up world.

[Zeboim]

Reading comprehension is strong with you. He said what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot. My point is nothing is different. Sorry you are behind.

Any President that attempts to use taxpayer dollars to sway a foreign government to interfere in an election deserves to be impeached. Doesn't matter the party.

Impeachment isn't a conviction, by the by. It's a trial, with an investigation that collects the facts of the matter. It's an important tool in the arsenal of the republic when dealing with a runaway President, which has gotten a bad name because of the Republicans in the 90s abusing it to chase Clinton over bullshit that was far, far, far more trivial than this. If Obama had committed a crime that was worth looking into, the Reps had the House majority they needed to start the investigations. Instead they wasted all their time and energy on Hillary's buttery males and Benghazi which ended up as nothing but red meat for partisan politics.

[Teppler]

How bad does it feel that you guys are still getting BTFO by this guy?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDDzrqZU0AAYQuV.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/N2Ss1cR/tds.jpg

[Wonkie]

I don't know where people lost the idea that due process doesn't matter but it sets the precedent for a very fucked up world.

You shouldn't use words you don't know

Google it first

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

You have a moral but very naive mindset. You've eaten too much propaganda from your elites about a populous candidate we got in the US because your elites, that exploit you, don't like him.

For example, that story about Trump mocking the disabled reporter wasn't true.



You wouldn't know that though. You clearly eat up what your media tells you and they are financially invested in a certain way.

Don't trust what people tell you. You need to analyze actions behind the talk as well.

Your problem is you will vote for someone that will say they have similar morals to you about green energy but then they'll just turn around and send tax payer money to their sons and daughters like Biden did. What are you going to do about that after the fact? Nothing. In fact people on your side tend to want Trump jailed for trying to expose it.

Wasnt true

https://youtu.be/PX9reO3QnUA?t=16

Timestamped. Thats not how a leader behaves. ITs vile.

I didnt say i voted for people based on green energy, it sounds like you wanted me to say that.

I said i vote based on morals.

As it turns out my current leader is literally an american who supports trump (mr johnson)

I do NOT read our media as our media is unfeasably biased. I get my media from numerous independent outlets (the more the better to get a better understanding of facts)

Im a bit supporter of Ed Snowden. He exposes facts. Your leader wants him jailed for that. I applaud him. He broke the law sure. But as Mr Snowden says, whats always "The law" isnt "Right"

Again, why we have judges to keep our leaders in check.

I vote for a government (however unlikely) in the UK which doesnt want to sell arms to countries like Saudi Arabia to be used on civilians. THATS the morals i speak of. Not naive.

Just human. What will i ever get out of that? Nothing. It wont impact my country (well actually it will hit it in the pockets of the arms companies which will likely hurt the economy a bit....worth it though)

[rebeccablack]

Because both are hearsay and there is no actual evidence of crimes (minus Hillary) until tried in court.
youre muddying the waters here. if trump did what is being claimed do you support prosecuting him or not?

[Teppler]

Wasnt true

https://youtu.be/PX9reO3QnUA?t=16

Timestamped. Thats not how a leader behaves. ITs vile.

I didnt say i voted for people based on green energy, it sounds like you wanted me to say that.

I said i vote based on morals.

As it turns out my current leader is literally an american who supports trump (mr johnson)

I do NOT read our media as our media is unfeasably biased. I get my media from numerous independent outlets (the more the better to get a better understanding of facts)

Im a bit supporter of Ed Snowden. He exposes facts. Your leader wants him jailed for that. I applaud him. He broke the law sure. But as Mr Snowden says, whats always "The law" isnt "Right"

Again, why we have judges to keep our leaders in check.

I vote for a government (however unlikely) in the UK which doesnt want to sell arms to countries like Saudi Arabia to be used on civilians. THATS the morals i speak of. Not naive.

Just human. What will i ever get out of that? Nothing. It wont impact my country (well actually it will hit it in the pockets of the arms companies which will likely hurt the economy a bit....worth it though)

Based on the way you are portraying stories to me I'd wager your independent outlets aren't half as independent as you believe they are.

The way you've portrayed Donald Trump and Greta Thunberg, in my limited discussion with you, points to the fact that you are getting the same mainstream horseshit as everyone else.

[Zeboim]

No but if you are making decisions based on bias and I am telling you I can see you bias, you should atleast be able to acknowledged. It's similar to a buddy at work who hates Trump. I showed him a picture of Joe Biden giving a pedo look to a girl. His response is "Yeah but look at Trump and his daughter." My next question is "Why does everything relate back to Trump with you?"

Can someone not agree that Trump has a creepy thing with his daughter and Biden also gives the pedo look from time to time. There are people like yourself that always want to relate everything to Trump. Trump is the issue for all your problems. It isn't true and your delusional and bias.
Maybe the guy has two braincells and can rub them together hard enough to realize where you were going with trying to characterize a guy's facial expression? You think that dude is stupid enough to not realize what you're trying to imply there?

Also "Look at this guy, he's looking at this girl weird!" is definitely equivalent to someone actually saying "Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?" and “Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father….” and "I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Based on the way you are portraying stories to me I'd wager your independent outlets aren't half as independent as you believe they are.

The way you've portrayed Donald Trump and Greta Thunberg, in my limited discussion with you, points to the fact that you are getting the same mainstream horseshit as everyone else.

Wait. Your saying that video is fake? Or funny?

You really think thats how a leader should behave?

No media outlet needs to portray him. he does it himself constantly via his twitter.

Then deletes the ones where he is found to be wrong. But the internet has the receipts.

[Teppler]

Wait. Your saying that video is fake? Or funny?

You really think thats how a leader should behave?

No media outlet needs to portray him. he does it himself constantly via his twitter.

Then deletes the ones where he is found to be wrong. But the internet has the receipts.

I'm saying Trump wasn't making fun of that mans disability. His claim was he knew nothing about the man or that he was even disabled. There's evidence he's done that 'shaking' thing to mock lots of people, the rest of which are clearly not disabled.

This is what I mean when I say you are the victim of propaganda. They set up a narrative for you and delivered the pictures and stories and you eat it up.

[Zeboim]

Post some vids of him doing the shaking thing when talking about other people if you want this argument to be taken seriously.

Also that's not a picture, it's a video. It moves and has the audio of him mocking this disabled man while waving around like a jackass. This is an important difference.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I'm saying Trump wasn't making fun of that mans disability. His claim was he knew nothing about the man or that he was even disabled. There's evidence he's done that 'shaking' thing to mock lots of people, the rest of which are clearly not disabled.

This is what I mean when I say you are the victim of propaganda. They set up a narrative for you and delivered the pictures and stories and you eat it up.

Actually i watched that and drew my own conclusion. Not everything has to involve "being dripfed by the media"

Seems like your the one to decide what his meaning was. Which seems to make you your own media outlet better than all the rest.

Fun. Anyway theres no use discussing with someone who is so steadfastly certain they are correct. I've admitted i was incorrect about some facets of Greta. You give no ground, so further discussion is irrelevant

Im out. If it makes you feel better you can pretend i wrote "You win"

[Teppler]

Actually i watched that and drew my own conclusion. Not everything has to involve "being dripfed by the media"

Seems like your the one to decide what his meaning was. Which seems to make you your own media outlet better than all the rest.

Fun. Anyway theres no use discussing with someone who is so steadfastly certain they are correct. I've admitted i was incorrect about some facets of Greta. You give no ground, so further discussion is irrelevant

Im out. If it makes you feel better you can pretend i wrote "You win"

You watched the video of Trump but you're clearly unaware that's a thing he's done to mock other people in the past, clearly not disabled. That implies Trump was treating him as he treats an other able bodied person in his position. You got the narrative from somewhere too. You didn't just randomly catch that clip with no commentary added.

[Horza]

MEDIA MEME:

Donald Trump cruelly mimicked and ridiculed a reporter’s disability.

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED:

From 2005 until 2016, Trump occasionally mocked some individuals by shaking his arms with limp wrists and gaping his mouth. Reporters and pundits did not know (or care) that this was a common way in which Trump mocks some individuals, so they focused on a freeze-frame in which Trump’s right elbow and wrist were momentarily bent, to make it seem that he was mimicking Kovaleski’s disability.

Even for a self-identified Nazi such as yourself this is alarmingly stupid.

[Teppler]

Even for a self-identified Nazi such as yourself this is alarmingly stupid.

If a piece of shit like you is getting so inflammatory with me, I must be doing something right.

[Zeboim]

Post proof of him doing it for other, non-disabled people. You have it, don't you? After all, you said that you do.

[Horza]

When am I not inflammatory?

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/U2mslga.jpg

[Teppler]

Post proof of him doing it for other, non-disabled people. You have it, don't you? After all, you said that you do.

I never said I have them. My research points to a number of times and occasions he's done this. I'm sure if you look them up, you can find them. I do not plan to dedicate my time to this endeavor. If you want to do the research and show that's it's right or wrong, I'm open to listening to your findings.

There's also another thing. The reporter Trump was supposedly mocking doesn't move the way Trump was. They freeze framed an exact second of Trump through his movement to try and get him in a similar pose to the reporter. Sleazy stuff.

From 2005 until 2016, Trump occasionally mocked some individuals by shaking his arms with limp wrists and gaping his mouth. Consider ten examples: he did this to make fun of himself, a bank president, Marco Rubio, Serge Kovaleski, The Washington Post, a U.S. Army General, George Stephanopoulos, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, and Donna Brazile.

Honestly, I do vaguely remember him doing stuff like this in the past. Particularly to Hillary and referring to fake news in general.

[Horza]

Honestly, I do vaguely remember him doing stuff like this in the past.

Sounds like you are the one that has eaten too much propaganda.

[Horza]

demarat isn't quite as creative as demonazi.

[feniin]

Yet another demarat fake news accusation that makes trump stronger and further secures the trump2020 reelection

get on board or get the fuck out of america

Classic fascist apologist. You friends with Teppler?

[Zeboim]

I never said I have them. My research points to a number of times and occasions he's done this. I'm sure if you look them up, you can find them. I do not plan to dedicate my time to this endeavor. If you want to do the research and show that's it's right or wrong, I'm open to listening to your findings.

There's also another thing. The reporter Trump was supposedly mocking doesn't move the way Trump was. They freeze framed an exact second of Trump through his movement to try and get him in a similar pose to the reporter. Sleazy stuff.



Honestly, I do vaguely remember him doing stuff like this in the past. Particularly to Hillary and referring to fake news in general.

"There's a thing that exists that disproves your argument, but I don't have it. I just kind of remember it. You're going to have to go hunting for it yourself but it's totally true."

God damn, I can't believe it. If you can't trust a Nazi on the internet, who can you trust any more?

[Horza]

Here is the complaint filed by an intelligence officer about President Trump's interactions with the leader of Ukraine. It was released with a letter from the inspector general for the intelligence community. (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/26/us/politics/whistle-blower-complaint.html)

The whistleblower says in the complaint that they had learned from several sources that senior White House officials had intervened to "lock down" all records of the call, particularly an official word-for-word transcript. "This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call," the whistleblower wrote in the complaint.

The whistleblower says details of the call were stored in a "stand-alone computer system reserved for codeword-level intelligence information, such as covert action."

The whistleblower adds that officials said it was "'not the first time' under this administration that a presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive - rather than national security sensitive - information."

[feniin]

Totally legal, totally cool.

[BallzDeep]

youre muddying the waters here. if trump did what is being claimed do you support prosecuting him or not?

Yes, if the standard is held across the board. Yes.

[Horza]

In a since-deleted tweet, President Cheeto said: "THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR. STICK TOGETHER, PLAY THEIR GAME, AND FIGHT HARD REPUBLICANS. OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE!" (https://media-cdn.factba.se/realdonaldtrump-twitter/1177201488688537602.jpg)

[BallzDeep]

Maybe the guy has two braincells and can rub them together hard enough to realize where you were going with trying to characterize a guy's facial expression? You think that dude is stupid enough to not realize what you're trying to imply there?

Also "Look at this guy, he's looking at this girl weird!" is definitely equivalent to someone actually saying "Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?" and “Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father….” and "I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

Great narrative. Now can you take it out of your own bias and reconsider? The problem with your argument is you don't know the dynamic between those comments and what they truly meant. Youre taking something out of context with no basis on how it refers to their relationship and now arguing that gives you merit to assume but no one else can assume on any other questionable behavior, joking or not. Get off your high horse.

I'm glad you are the de facto on what language determines someone who is actually attracted to their daughter and would cross the line versus who wouldn't. Both are assumptions, you're just the only one here claiming that your assumptions or jokes have merit and someone elses don't.

[BallzDeep]

Post some vids of him doing the shaking thing when talking about other people if you want this argument to be taken seriously.

Also that's not a picture, it's a video. It moves and has the audio of him mocking this disabled man while waving around like a jackass. This is an important difference.

There are plenty. Do a google search for god's sake.

[Horza]

You have the time to endlessly defend Trump publicly mocking a man's physical disability, but you can't be bothered to copy and paste a link to a video that you claim to already have?

[BallzDeep]

Since you are lazy as shit and can't disassociate the bullshit for reality....

Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwC63Fuh4wA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQQq50JWsmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4604reEqk0

There are about 10 more. Trump just has a very limited form of impressions. Sorry it didn't hit your point of him being an asshole. I'll let you try another avenue you can put your bias into.

[BallzDeep]

You have the time to endlessly defend Trump publicly mocking a man's physical disability, but you can't be bothered to copy and paste a link to a video that you claim to already have?

No there is something called guided self discovery. Something you'll probably never figure out in that echo chamber.

[Zeboim]

I'd say there's a pretty big difference in interpreting an expression from an almost 80 year old man in a specific way and three verbatim quotes that can all be summarized as "My daughter is hot, if she wasn't my daughter I'd fuck her." I'm not saying that he actually has or anything, he just keeps saying it for some reason.

But hey, sure, it's definitely not like your own bias is the reason you brought up the Biden picture in the first place. If this is the hill you want to die on go for it. I doubt that either of them has ever done anything towards the girl in question. I just thought it hilarious how you complained as if your coworker bringing up Trump after you try to imply that to him was based off some fanatic obsession as if anyone is going to be fooled by that.

[Horza]

Sorry, but you aren't going to convince anyone who isn't already a true believer. The last one is just a bad vocal impression of Ted Cruz.

[BallzDeep]

I'd say there's a pretty big difference in interpreting an expression from an almost 80 year old man in a specific way and three verbatim quotes that can all be summarized as "My daughter is hot, if she wasn't my daughter I'd fuck her." I'm not saying that he actually has or anything, he just keeps saying it for some reason.

But hey, sure, it's definitely not like your own bias is the reason you brought up the Biden picture in the first place. If this is the hill you want to die on go for it. I doubt that either of them has ever done anything towards the girl in question. I just thought it hilarious how you complained as if your coworker bringing up Trump after you try to imply that to him was based off some fanatic obsession as if anyone is going to be fooled by that.

My own bias is the irony in the situation. My issue is I don't even like Trump. I just like uninformed idiots less. I'm not complaining, you are just missing the context AGAIN. The context is the co-worker constantly berates and complains about Trump. Every problem is Trump's problem. Trump is a sexist, racist and treats women like crap. His point of view is similar to yours that Trump probably harasses his daughter. I point that out and his only connection is back to Trump. I find this to be dishonest and disingenuous. I hate that more than I hate Trump. People who let the media feed their bias to where they believe everything relates to Trump.

It's a bad thing for society on both ends and it isn't reality. Then I go back to my point....it creates people like Horza.

[Teppler]

"There's a thing that exists that disproves your argument, but I don't have it. I just kind of remember it. You're going to have to go hunting for it yourself but it's totally true."

God damn, I can't believe it. If you can't trust a Nazi on the internet, who can you trust any more?

You're not proving it any way either dipshit. The best argument you can make is, 'we don't know really, maybe he was mocking the reporter but it's not likely'.

Luckily the average voter agreed to me because this bullshit blew over in like 5 seconds in real time.

Let's all pray for Michelle Fields too and vicious attack she endured.

[BallzDeep]

Sorry, but you aren't going to convince anyone who isn't already a true believer. The last one is just a bad vocal impression of Ted Cruz.

They always told me you can't fix stupid.

[Teppler]

Since you are lazy as shit and can't disassociate the bullshit for reality....

Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwC63Fuh4wA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQQq50JWsmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4604reEqk0

There are about 10 more. Trump just has a very limited form of impressions. Sorry it didn't hit your point of him being an asshole. I'll let you try another avenue you can put your bias into.

These people never own up to being wrong either. Do I get an apology off of this now? Nope. Apparently I'm the asshole for pointing out they were wrong in these cases and effectively fed propaganda.

[Horza]

I'm very sorry that your coworker and I offended your delicate sensibilities.

[Horza]

Trump told staff he wants to know whistleblower's sources, implies they should be killed. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/trump-whistle-blower-spy.html)

President Trump on Thursday morning told a crowd of staff from the United States Mission to the United Nations that he wants to know who provided information to a whistle-blower about his phone call with the president of Ukraine, saying that whoever did so was “close to a spy” and that “in the old days,” spies were dealt with differently.

[BallzDeep]

I'm very sorry that your coworker and I offended your delicate sensibilities.

Thanks. I would never want to be so offended I had to post articles on the person I hate for 6 months at a time. That would be a terrible thing.

[Wonkie]

The motion clearly indicates retard, which is not a nice thing to call retarded people.

Anyway he did a treason lol

[BallzDeep]

The motion clearly indicates retard, which is not a nice thing to call retarded people.

Anyway he did a treason lol

Oh now you decide what motions indicate mocking a retard. Noted. I'll ask your approval next time I make a hand motion.

[Teppler]

These people never own up to being wrong either. Do I get an apology off of this now? Nope. Apparently I'm the asshole for pointing out they were wrong in these cases and effectively fed propaganda.

Told you. They are doubling down instead. That’s why you never work with these types of people or play nice. They are bad faith actors in any of these discussions.

[Wonkie]

Oh now you decide what motions indicate mocking a retard. Noted. I'll ask your approval next time I make a hand motion.

Good idea bud. Know your limitations, it's not you're fault that you're dumb. :)

[BallzDeep]

Which leads to the point that yes society does decide what offends people but now we are talking about redefining what offends people based on individual circumstances and trying to make sure no one is offended (Not going to happen). People like the vocal majority for the left here declaring themselves judge of what breaks the rules for offence. No one knows any more. Is this hand motion racist? Is this mocking a retard?

The media is working on redefining definitions to those who are less likely to have the competency to understand the magnitude of "trying to make everyone happy." You don't strive for happy, you strive to be a better person, good bad or ugly. The world is unfair by nature.

In come the democratic party that all have different philosophies on what offends people. Hence the 20 candidates. The conservative platform is that since we all have different definitions of offending, we can't determine an offence until a crime has been committed. Language or signaling doesn't constitute. You may not agree with someone's behavior but until it is a crime, it is a matter of difference of opinion.

[BallzDeep]

Good idea bud. Know your limitations, it's not you're fault that you're dumb. :)

It's almost as if I have to disregard anything you say here because you can't seem to keep up. You throw out these 1 liners like "yeah and your doggie doo doo." I couldn't imagine trying to accomplish a work goal with you or even think you would contribute anything that would be beneficial. My 14 year old cousin can articulate his ideas better than you.

So if you want to add something - what is your position on impeaching Trump and what crime did he commit that violated the law? Cite the actual law and how it correlates.

[Teppler]

Which leads to the point that yes society does decide what offends people but now we are talking about redefining what offends people based on individual circumstances and trying to make sure no one is offended (Not going to happen). People like the vocal majority for the left here declaring themselves judge of what breaks the rules for offence. No one knows any more. Is this hand motion racist? Is this mocking a retard?

The media is working on redefining definitions to those who are less likely to have the competency to understand the magnitude of "trying to make everyone happy." You don't strive for happy, you strive to be a better person, good bad or ugly. The world is unfair by nature.

In come the democratic party that all have different philosophies on what offends people. Hence the 20 candidates. The conservative platform is that since we all have different definitions of offending, we can't determine an offence until a crime has been committed. Language or signaling doesn't constitute. You may not agree with someone's behavior but until it is a crime, it is a matter of difference of opinion.

They don’t want to reason with you. They want to mock you in 10 words or less and repeatedly quote the post. Save your breath. They aren’t interested.

[Wonkie]

It's almost as if I have to disregard anything you say here because you can't seem to keep up. You throw out these 1 liners like "yeah and your doggie doo doo." I couldn't imagine trying to accomplish a work goal with you or even think you would contribute anything that would be beneficial. My 14 year old cousin can articulate his ideas better than you.

If you like him so much why don't you marry him?

[Horza]

Whistle-blower is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to the White House. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/politics/who-is-whistleblower.html)

The whistle-blower who revealed that President Trump sought foreign help for his re-election and that the White House sought to cover it up is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to work at the White House at one point, according to three people familiar with his identity.

The man has since returned to the C.I.A., the people said. Little else is known about him. His complaint made public Thursday suggested he was an analyst by training and made clear he was steeped in details of American foreign policy toward Europe, demonstrating a sophisticated understanding of Ukrainian politics and at least some knowledge of the law.

[Wonkie]

Anyway impeachment isn't a criminal matter it's political

Bad president

[BallzDeep]

Anyway impeachment isn't a criminal matter it's political

Bad president

I thought so. Basically you are lazy. Don't want to do any research and want to rely on news organizations to do it for you. Now I understand why you vote left.

[Teppler]

Now you learn some of why Trump doesn’t rely on our intelligence community. It’s compromised. FBI, CIA and NSA should be blown up and new organizational names in their place created.

One of the biggest mistakes Trump made early on was trusting people like Comey.

Trump was losing me until this scandal. If this can lead to cleaning out the CIA, Trump will be more successful than I could ever hope for.

[Wonkie]

I thought so. Basically you are lazy. Don't want to do any research and want to rely on news organizations to do it for you. Now I understand why you vote left.

I'm right tho. The crux of the special counsel investigation was the President cannot be charged with a crime. Ergo impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding.

Your argument is a bird.

[Horza]

The CIA is not under investigation, Trump is the one who is being impeached.

[BallzDeep]

They don’t want to reason with you. They want to mock you in 10 words or less and repeatedly quote the post. Save your breath. They aren’t interested.

I know, it is pretty typical but also kinda amusing. I'll log on a few hours to burn some down time if I'm multitasking. Half the time I believe they are trolling but then I couldn't fathom someone being that invested so I lean towards my own biases....They are probably unemployed, drug addicts, game addicts and anti-social and what would force anyone who falls under those categories to believe in self preservation, drive and opportunity for self.

[rebeccablack]

do you think a president using aid payments and military support to a nato ally as a wedge to coerce them into opposition research against a political rival is generally in the national interest, legality aside? does it seem like the behavior of a person with a good understanding of their responsibilities and the limitations of their power as commander in chief?

[BallzDeep]

I'm right tho. The crux of the special counsel investigation was the President cannot be charged with a crime. Ergo impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding.

Your argument is a bird.

It isn't a criminal proceeding but the basis for impeachment has always been on the idea that a crime needs to be committed because otherwise it is just hearsay. If your argument is that you don't need a crime to impeach a President then I'd like to hear your theory on Trump vs the crimes committed by previous sitting Presidents and why Trumps case is inherently worse by evidence vs some of the atrocities in the past. Then you will need to lay out what precedent needs to be set for impeaching a President without a crime. What constitutes impeaching a sitting President? That seems to be the issue at hand here.

[Wonkie]

It isn't a criminal proceeding but the basis for impeachment has always been on the idea that a crime needs to be committed because otherwise it is just hearsay. If your argument is that you don't need a crime to impeach a President then I'd like to hear your theory on Trump vs the crimes committed by previous sitting Presidents and why Trumps case is inherently worse by evidence vs some of the atrocities in the past. Then you will need to lay out what precedent needs to be set for impeaching a President without a crime. What constitutes impeaching a sitting President? That seems to be the issue at hand here.

An opposition majority in the House

hope this helps

[Teppler]

The CIA is not under investigation, Trump is the one who is being impeached.

The establishment which includes the cia has been harassing trump since before he was president. This isn’t anything new.

Funny how Mr Eat The Rich supports the richest of the rich and their power grabs though.

How amazing is it that Mr Eat The Rich seems to shit on anything that is won through grass roots populous measures like Trump or Brexit.

A complete an utter tool of the highest elites that portrays himself as a guy that says “we need to eat the rich”.

Hey Horza at this time I’m going to point out you are a complete and utter fraud.

[BallzDeep]

do you think a president using aid payments and military support to a nato ally as a wedge to coerce them into opposition research against a political rival is generally in the national interest, legality aside? does it seem like the behavior of a person with a good understanding of their responsibilities and the limitations of their power as commander in chief?

It depends on the conversation that took place. Was that aid and support openly levied against getting that information? Was there an actual crime taken place that would constitute looking for that information? Has this done in the past by any other party with political affiliation? Was there an uproar then and was it national news?

This would start to form my opinion. The last question being if it's happened in the past and there wasn't an uproar but this is being media blasted....is there an agenda on the other side too? Wouldn't that be constituted as pretty much the exact same thing but instead using media to smear campaign your opponent?

[Horza]

It isn't a criminal proceeding but the basis for impeachment has always been on the idea that a crime needs to be committed because otherwise it is just hearsay.

After the call, multiple officials told the whistle-blower that future talks between Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky would depend on whether the Ukranians would “play ball” on the investigations he sought.

The whistle-blower, who lodged his concerns with the inspector general for the intelligence community, has identified at least a half-dozen government officials — including several who work for the White House — who he believes can substantiate his claims. The inspector general has interviewed some of them and found the whistle-blower’s claims credible.

[BallzDeep]

An opposition majority in the House

hope this helps

Once again you seem to post but not even answer the question. If you read the last bit, it said "These are the questions at hand." Context matters and you never seem to grasp any of it. What that means is that the House doesn't know because then they don't know the precedent it would set. You are adamant about impeachment....So I ask you, dumbass....being so adamant what is the precedent? Hope this helps.

[Horza]

How amazing is it that Mr Eat The Rich seems to shit on anything that is won through grass roots populous measures like Trump or Brexit.

Trump is a billionaire, isn't he?

[BallzDeep]

Thanks for justifying my point with a hearsay comment. Officials also have a political affiliation. Hope this helps.

[Horza]

Trump officials are Republicans? Is there a point that you're trying to make?

[BallzDeep]

Trump officials are Republicans? Is there a point that you're trying to make?

Yeah that you cited a source that says the whistleblower told us that after the call he spoke to a bunch of other people and you don't find that problematic.....

[Teppler]

It depends on the conversation that took place. Was that aid and support openly levied against getting that information? Was there an actual crime taken place that would constitute looking for that information? Has this done in the past by any other party with political affiliation? Was there an uproar then and was it national news?

This would start to form my opinion. The last question being if it's happened in the past and there wasn't an uproar but this is being media blasted....is there an agenda on the other side too? Wouldn't that be constituted as pretty much the exact same thing but instead using media to smear campaign your opponent?

I’ll tell you what’s happening.

Democrats got wind trump was looking into this and they had to jump out in front of the story to take attention away from the extremely high crimes of treason they committed.

They want the narrative to be about Trump instead of what they did. They are even accusing Trump of the crime they did, treason.

You can really tell where people stand when it comes to America’s health by this whole ordeal.

Trump is trying to protect Americans and tax payer money that was horribly misappropriated from the previous regime and they never thought a guy like trump would be in position to find out.

Democrats want Trump impeached for looking into the crime. They’ll try to twist the words around into a technicality but it won’t work.

Just like the disabled thing. Their demented Donald syndrome allows them to twist any action Donald does into a crime. And they still think investigating Democrat crimes is a crime. Hah.

[BallzDeep]

Trump officials are Republicans? Is there a point that you're trying to make?

Actually multiple points - 1. You are using that article as the de facto release of information regarding the whistle blowing. 2. It's the game of telephone, it's a source that talked to a source that said other people said Yes. 3. It's a smoke and mirrors show. They tell you they can find people to substantiate the claims, your dumbass believes it, and they never do.

[Teppler]

Trump is a billionaire, isn't he?

On the political world stage, Trump is poor. The people you support through you arguing points are much richer. This point is proven by how almost all networks and news outlets are paid to put anti Trump content out. Yet you know he’s not actually that unpopular because of his approval rating. People are paying lots of money to get Trump hate coverage out there. People with a lot more money than Trump.

[Wonkie]

Once again you seem to post but not even answer the question. If you read the last bit, it said "These are the questions at hand." Context matters and you never seem to grasp any of it. What that means is that the House doesn't know because then they don't know the precedent it would set. You are adamant about impeachment....So I ask you, dumbass....being so adamant what is the precedent? Hope this helps.

Clinton, Bill

[Zeboim]

This thread moves so fucking fast that I look away to do some work and there's like 5 new pages.

Anyways I'm of the opinion that the DoJ's stance in general that a President can't be charged is probably going to be tossed by the Supreme Court if they ever actually get the balls to rule on it. It's the political equivalent of the fat kid yelling "I CAST FORCEFIELD AND IM INVINCIBLE" on the playground. It was never that much of a problem before (barring Nixon) but this time we went and elected a con man.

[Wonkie]

Could you stop doing the performative intelligence debate crap? It's obviously counterfeit

[Teppler]

Is Trump is a billionaire, or is he not?

I find it very interesting you are attacking the populous lesser billionaire on the world stage instead of the insanely rich globalist banker cabal.

And you do the same thing with Brexit. Which means that’s your default.

Your political affiliation is primarily to attack these movements by the people while shilling the arguing points of the global banker cabal class.

Very interesting and very fraudulent on your part.

[BallzDeep]

I’ll tell you what’s happening.

Democrats got wind trump was looking into this and they had to jump out in front of the story to take attention away from the extremely high crimes of treason they committed.

They want the narrative to be about Trump instead of what they did. They are even accusing Trump of the crime they did, treason.

You can really tell where people stand when it comes to America’s health by this whole ordeal.

Trump is trying to protect Americans and tax payer money that was horribly misappropriated from the previous regime and they never thought a guy like trump would be in position to find out.

Democrats want Trump impeached for looking into the crime. They’ll try to twist the words around into a technicality but it won’t work.

Just like the disabled thing. Their demented Donald syndrome allows them to twist any action Donald does into a crime. And they still think investigating Democrat crimes is a crime. Hah.

I agree - I've looked into it a little bit, not as much as some of the other stuff but it wasn't hard to get a pulse on this one. Common sense always tells me, find any story the media is blasting at the moment and research further. I'm not 100% Trump at all. I'm conservative or libertarian. Gun owner. Live in Texas and have worked myself from being broke to being wealthy. I don't blame Trump for all my problems and all for freedom of responsibility for each individual. Trump is the only option not taking away any of those freedoms. I don't agree with a lot of his shit but I also know there is an agenda on both sides. People sometimes forget that both sides have agenda and both sides are completely open to trying to brain wash you.

With these guys I like to do a little guided discovery, almost have to lead them down that pathway in a got ya.

[BallzDeep]

Could you stop doing the performative intelligence debate crap? It's obviously counterfeit

One would say these are rational questions to ask if you are trying to establish precedent and non-bias. If you don't see the relation, you are arguing distant from reality.

[Wonkie]

One would say these are rational questions to ask if you are trying to establish precedent and non-bias. If you don't see the relation, you are arguing distant from reality.

Yeah cut this crap out

[zodium]

TRUMIF

[Horza]

New YouGov poll on impeachment over Ukraine scandal shows support from 76% of Democrats and 51% of independents, but the number that should scare the hell out of Trump and the GOP is that it's also supported by 32% of Republicans. (https://today.yougov.com/opi/surveys/results#/survey/72f3bf66-dee3-11e9-b4a9-9f0e9e31e4a3/question/9b91b2b7-dee3-11e9-ba0e-c7fcd6994022/politics)

[Teppler]

Imagine if Trump came out with the story first about Biden's son. The democrats desperately needed to post a narrative first. Imagine if they came 2nd and started accusing Trump after the fact.

They saw what was being looked into and knew they had to jump out first with their own story to try and get attention off themselves. They clearly made a tactical choice.

Impeachment, which won't go very far, is meant to be a distraction from what Biden in his role of democrat vice president did.

Big media will help cover and Horza will be doing the bidding of his global elites by shilling their articles over here.

[Teppler]

Stop deleting your posts. Warren isn't going anywhere either. This is a layup for Trump 2020 after this mess. You aren't realizing how bad the democrats look from this. All of them.

[Canelek]

The reality gymnastics around here is spectacular. I'm seriously impressed with the conspiracy theories-laid-as-baseline in order to establish a new "fact set". I don't think Fox News can even come up with this kind of crazy.

Y'all should start one of those big churches.

[Horza]

Horza will be doing the bidding of his global elites by shilling their articles over here.

[Teppler]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/19/article-2698150-1FC8C95500000578-636_964x634.jpg

Thanks Horza.

[Zeboim]

Honestly when the Hitler apologist starts saying something is a bad look and definitely going to backfire on the Democrats, I take that as a pretty good sign.

Why in the fuck couldn't you people have voted for Kasich in the 2016 Rep primaries like I did so we could at least have a sliver of sanity here?

[Horza]

Zeboim, why are you shilling the arguing points of the global banker Jew cabal class?

[Teppler]

Honestly when the Hitler apologist starts saying something is a bad look and definitely going to backfire on the Democrats, I take that as a pretty good sign.

Why in the fuck couldn't you people have voted for Kasich in the 2016 Rep primaries like I did so we could at least have a sliver of sanity here?

^
Sanity for these people is not looking into the billions of dollars meant to be sent to the ukraine in aid and instead went to elites of political party he supports. These people argue in bad faith. He shills for Kasich because he knows Kasich was an establishment candidate that would look the other way on high crimes of the democrats.

I'm sorry your people are being exposed and it hurts your feelings.

[Zeboim]

I just can't help it, a goyim businessman like myself exists to further the global domination destiny of the chosen people.

[Horza]

Wall Street Democratic donors warn: We’ll sit out, or back Trump, if you nominate Elizabeth Warren. (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/26/wall-street-democratic-donors-may-back-trump-if-warren-is-nominated.html)

In recent weeks, CNBC spoke to several high-dollar Democratic donors and fundraisers in the business community and found that this opinion was becoming widely shared as Warren, an outspoken critic of big banks and corporations, gains momentum against Joe Biden in the 2020 race.

[Teppler]

I just can't help it, a goyim businessman like myself exists to further the global domination destiny of the chosen people.

How do you feel about those US tax dollars not reaching Ukraine aid and going to Biden's son in that shell energy company instead?

You ever get any feelings of anger that a politician would use tax payer funds like that? That would exploit common working people like that?

Let's see if we can find any honest, real, patriotic feelings in you.

[Zeboim]

Happens every fuckin day in a thousand different sectors dude. I don't like it but pretending like Trump leaning on Ukraine is purely in pursuit of justice is a farce. Electing a President that will crack down on graft is a priority, but a con man like Trump ain't it.

[Teppler]

Happens every fuckin day in a thousand different sectors dude. I don't like it but pretending like Trump leaning on Ukraine is purely in pursuit of justice is a farce. Electing a President that will crack down on graft is a priority, but a con man like Trump ain't it.

Lets make sure we all get this straight.

It's a nothingburger to you that US tax dollars are collected from hard working Americas and then sent right into our vice president sons wallet for personal foreign favors.

You're seriously not aware this is the highest form of treason one could commit?

And if you gloss over this, what does that say about you as an American?

The common American tax payer has had a major violation of their rights through this. America itself is supposed to be on high alert with people playing around with our taxes. It's how America was formed. Taxing us and committing treason with the tax revenue is about the worst crime you could commit against the state when you consider how it was formed.

[Teppler]

Why would my comment make me a fascist when my president literally did nothing wrong and was a victim yet again of another hoax.

Demarats are so sad they want the world to burn, here sits trump who just wants to help america and wants every citizen to win and people shoot him down.

I wonder if he means fascist like in the sense of having democratic votes like with Brexit and then not delivering the results because the elites think the commoners voted wrong.

Or how about voting in a guy like Trump where the people demanded the wall only to have paid off establishment judges attack it.

Can we be clear about what facism really means? Because I tend to support these things that people vote in democratically. The people I argue with around here want to squash the will of the people.

[Zeboim]

Lets make sure we all get this straight.

It's a nothingburger to you that US tax dollars are collected from hard working Americas and then sent right into our vice president sons wallet for personal foreign favors.

You're seriously not aware this is the highest form of treason one could commit?

And if you gloss over this, what does that say about you as an American?

The common American tax payer has had a major violation of their rights through this. America itself is supposed to be on high alert with people playing around with our taxes. It's how America was formed. Taxing us and committing treason with the tax revenue is about the worst crime you could commit against the state when you consider how it was formed.
It's not a nothingburger (if it's true at all), I'd be quite happy to see all of the Bidens go to jail for this if the details did come out and what you say is true (I have intense doubts about the veracity however).

But the amount of graft that we have in our country is so insane that this is a drop in the bucket - and much of it has been facilitated by Trump's schemes to go into his own or crony's pockets. And that's happening at this very moment, as opposed to years past like this Hunter Biden thing.

I do not believe for a fucking instant that this was Trump going after corruption, and if you do you need your head checked. He was, at its most charitable, clumsily going after some open secrets shit while trying to get a hand up on his political rival using the current funding for Ukraine as blackmail material. And that's the charitable interpretation, imo.

If you actually cared about corruption, you'd be throwing 100x the fit about the current military budget.

[Horza]

Can we be clear about what facism really means? Because I tend to support these things that people vote in democratically. The people I argue with around here want to squash the will of the people.

Fascism, the political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945... had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. (https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism)

[feniin]

Why would my comment make me a fascist when my president literally did nothing wrong and was a victim yet again of another hoax.

Demarats are so sad they want the world to burn, here sits trump who just wants to help america and wants every citizen to win and people shoot him down.

Probably pretty chilly in Russia this time of year, right comrade?

[Baler]

It's good to see this thread is still hotly debated and well alive.

[BallzDeep]

The reality gymnastics around here is spectacular. I'm seriously impressed with the conspiracy theories-laid-as-baseline in order to establish a new "fact set". I don't think Fox News can even come up with this kind of crazy.

Y'all should start one of those big churches.

It really isn't a conspiracy theory. Divorce rates are on the rise. Traditional marriage is on a downtrend. Gender and sex are being re-written yearly in the diagnosis. Hate speech is being "defined" by certain people standards. Court cases are now coming in for hate speech. These are all true statements. Opinion articles are taken as facts (see Horza). Where is the conspiracy there?

[Horza]

Gender fluid illegals may be entering the country 'twice.' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlgWqcHXD8w)

[Teppler]

Yeah cut this crap out

It really isn't a conspiracy theory. Divorce rates are on the rise. Traditional marriage is on a downtrend. Gender and sex are being re-written yearly in the diagnosis. Hate speech is being "defined" by certain people standards. Court cases are now coming in for hate speech. These are all true statements. Opinion articles are taken as facts (see Horza). Where is the conspiracy there?

These guys won’t even admit our cia has been involved in regime changes around the globe. And frankly that’s the least of what they’ve been accused of.

[Teppler]

And funny how horza finds himself against the side of the common people again. He sides with the establishment that sends the cia to various countries that are starting to develop popular nationalist rulers they love.

Horza I think your new tag line should be “I feed the rich” instead of “eat the rich”. Say it for me directly next post plz.

[zodium]

It's good to see this thread is still hotly debated and well alive.

TRUOT

[Horza]

The common people elected the Representatives impeaching your boy Trump.

[Wonkie]

These guys won’t even admit our cia has been involved in regime changes around the globe. And frankly that’s the least of what they’ve been accused of.

https://youtu.be/YRWlbX92B3I

[BallzDeep]

The common people elected the Representatives impeaching your boy Trump.

Hence the phrase, common sense isn't so common. Also going back to the original idea that a small portion of people are go getters and the others want someone to save them from all their problems (They won't).

[BallzDeep]

Serious question - what percent of the population do you think are easily influenced by product consumption, culture and politics via social media? Would you say it's over 50%?

[Teppler]

The common people elected the Representatives impeaching your boy Trump.

Come on and say it Horza. It’s what you do.

“I feed the rich”. Be a good little boy like you are for them and admit your lies.

The people vote for brexit- Horza says fuck the people
The people vote for the wall- Horza says fuck the people
Our tax dollars illegally go right into joe Biden he’s pocket- Horza says impeach the guy exposing the crime

Admit it Horza. You’re a fraud.

[Horza]

Complain about betas all you'd like, the impeachment train is just going to keep on chugging along.

[BallzDeep]

I'll look forward to hearing your response over the next 5 years as that plays out.

[Teppler]

Our CIA regime changes when small time countries get popular rulers that the native people love. Horza approves! “I feed the rich”. His more honest tag line.

[Wonkie]

Serious question - what percent of the population do you think are easily influenced by product consumption, culture and politics via social media? Would you say it's over 50%?

100%. And opinions outside the mainstream confer a sense of uniqueness and rebellion, making them more appealing.

No man is an island. Except that one island.

[Baler]

wonkie let me PM you brotha :)

[Wonkie]

wonkie let me PM you brotha :)

whitelisted :)

[Horza]

He sides with the establishment that sends the cia to various countries that are starting to develop popular nationalist rulers they love.

[Teppler]

Thanks for all the dead innocent middle eastern children from the bank wars you support through your elites Horza.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/19/article-2698150-1FCBFB5700000578-566_964x672.jpg

And this is only the destruction abroad you've supported. What you've helped push domestically too....

[Horza]

the bank wars you support through your elites Horza.

What is that even supposed to mean?

[Teppler]

What is that even supposed to mean?

You push the side that creates global wars for global control. You hate populism and rule by the people remember?

The people vote for brexit- Horza says fuck the people
The people vote for the wall- Horza says fuck the people
Our tax dollars illegally go right into joe Biden he’s pocket- Horza says impeach the guy exposing the crime

It looks like you support the CIA too that's been involved in regime change of small countries that develop popular rulers.

You support the banker elites involved in globalism. That push to get these smaller independent countries under control when they get popular rulers that the people love. That fund the DNC and EU. Those are your guys. Remember?

[Horza]

What's a bank war?

[BallzDeep]

100%. And opinions outside the mainstream confer a sense of uniqueness and rebellion, making them more appealing.

No man is an island. Except that one island.

Those are two conflicting ideas. "Outside the mainstream", "making them more appealing." Obviously the mainstream is more appealing. It's hard to beat the likes of CNN, MSNBC, Viacom, musicians like Taylor Swift, Cardi B.

Then if you agree that majority of population is easily susceptible to social influence and policy. And majority of the social aspects are liberal platforms, where is the bias really coming from? Would you agree that most people bandwagon and scratch the surface on looking into issues? Do you think Cardi B is well informed about political issues or Taylor Swift? It really isn't hard to create someone like Horza. You force feed a slam piece on Trump once a week that the guy is a piece of shit based on the premise you don't agree with his idea set on conservatism. Because you are unhappy with the outcome, you use smear campaign to make the person seem like an immoral piece of shit. My conclusion is they are all immoral pieces of shit. It's just which freedoms are you okay with giving up on paper to the man.

[Teppler]

What's a bank war?

A war financed and pushed by the globalist banking cartel that's funding the western establishment. Your guys that you are constantly supporting and arguing for. The side you always seem to end up fighting for.

[Canelek]

It really isn't a conspiracy theory. Divorce rates are on the rise. Traditional marriage is on a downtrend. Gender and sex are being re-written yearly in the diagnosis. Hate speech is being "defined" by certain people standards. Court cases are now coming in for hate speech. These are all true statements. Opinion articles are taken as facts (see Horza). Where is the conspiracy there?

Not what I was referring to. But you do paint the standard Tippy The Turtle of conservative "justification" for marching hand in hand with hate groups.

Sorry about your traditional marriage and suppressed ability to express various *.isms. Bummer.

edit: (re: conspiracy theories) TL;DR - I suppose I could have just said, "all the cocaine-fueled shenanigans Teppler is gibbering about."

[Teppler]

Those are two conflicting ideas. "Outside the mainstream", "making them more appealing." Obviously the mainstream is more appealing. It's hard to beat the likes of CNN, MSNBC, Viacom, musicians like Taylor Swift, Cardi B.

Then if you agree that majority of population is easily susceptible to social influence and policy. And majority of the social aspects are liberal platforms, where is the bias really coming from? Would you agree that most people bandwagon and scratch the surface on looking into issues? Do you think Cardi B is well informed about political issues or Taylor Swift? It really isn't hard to create someone like Horza. You force feed a slam piece on Trump once a week that the guy is a piece of shit based on the premise you don't agree with his idea set on conservatism. Because you are unhappy with the outcome, you use smear campaign to make the person seem like an immoral piece of shit. My conclusion is they are all immoral pieces of shit. It's just which freedoms are you okay with giving up on paper to the man.

People like Horza are extremely easy to create and dime a dozen. In fact they are incredible investments. Like a biological bomb you can set off within a neighboring country if you can control aspects of the media.

[Horza]

the globalist banking cartel

Just say the Jews.

[Wonkie]

Those are two conflicting ideas. "Outside the mainstream", "making them more appealing." Obviously the mainstream is more appealing. It's hard to beat the likes of CNN, MSNBC, Viacom, musicians like Taylor Swift, Cardi B.

Then if you agree that majority of population is easily susceptible to social influence and policy. And majority of the social aspects are liberal platforms, where is the bias really coming from? Would you agree that most people bandwagon and scratch the surface on looking into issues? Do you think Cardi B is well informed about political issues or Taylor Swift? It really isn't hard to create someone like Horza. You force feed a slam piece on Trump once a week that the guy is a piece of shit based on the premise you don't agree with his idea set on conservatism. Because you are unhappy with the outcome, you use smear campaign to make the person seem like an immoral piece of shit. My conclusion is they are all immoral pieces of shit. It's just which freedoms are you okay with giving up on paper to the man.

Just say sheeple.

[Teppler]

Just say the Jews.

Horza shows again, he has little to no interest to getting to the bottom of how the common people are getting screwed and 100x more interest in protecting the global elites that align with him. #integrity

[Teppler]

Not what I was referring to. But you do paint the standard Tippy The Turtle of conservative "justification" for marching hand in hand with hate groups.

Sorry about your traditional marriage and suppressed ability to express various *.isms. Bummer.

edit: (re: conspiracy theories) TL;DR - I suppose I could have just said, "all the cocaine-fueled shenanigans Teppler is gibbering about."

Tell me when you're ready to go beyond petty insults, I'm game to beat you the fuck out on actual debate.

[Teppler]

I wonder if that guy will end up being like Horza- claiming to be for the common people but then turns out he's against the common people any time they have to go against the elites-

The people vote for brexit- Horza says fuck the people
The people vote for the wall- Horza says fuck the people
Our tax dollars illegally go right into joe Biden he’s pocket- Horza says impeach the guy exposing the crime

This is just the hypocrisy I've gathered within 2 days.

[Baler]

I wonder if that guy will end up being like Horza

https://i.imgur.com/ZnjySLa.gif

I just returned to forumquest, and if people are shit talking you this much. just lol

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/ZnjySLa.gif

I just returned to forumquest, and if people are shit talking you this much. just lol

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

Trump. Hero of the American people. :D How does it feel?

Why didn't our CIA do it's job?

[Horza]

I'm game to beat you the fuck out on actual debate.

What is this even?

[Baler]

Buy firearms and ammunition before the democrats take office
Kappa

[Teppler]

What is this even?

You don't get responses anymore unless you make intelligent posts. I'm punishing you.

[Baler]

You don't get responses anymore unless you make intelligent posts. I'm punishing you.

Pras :)

[Horza]

'I'm game to beat you the fuck out on actual debate' are not the words of an intelligent man.

[Teppler]

NYT reports the truth and now #CancelNYT is trending

https://i.ibb.co/C9wxY4r/nyt1.png

[Horza]

I posted a link to that article hours ago.

[Teppler]

"Ukraine whistleblower’s lawyers work for group that offers to pay officials who leak against Trump"

Uh oh

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/ukraine-whistleblowers-lawyers-work-for-group-that-offers-to-pay-officials-who-leak-against-trump

[Zeboim]

Oh no

Oh no no no no

Oh no no no no

I am shocked

[Wonkie]

Are you game to beat me off Teppyweppy?

[Horza]

The group’s pledge of support, in addition to free legal representation including rent and mortgage assistance, media coaching, and doctor’s bills and counseling.

Those traitorous lawyers doing pro bono volunteer work.

[Horza]

I'm game to beat you the fuck out on actual debate, Wonkie.

[Wonkie]

The ukraine president man I assume his name is blyatylov campaigned on a platform of eliminating corruption

Lol :)

[Canelek]

So just to catch up here, Fox News is considered "a bit too liberal" for a couple of you fine folks, eh?

This has been enlightening.

[Canelek]

blyatylov

Gorlomi

[Zeboim]

I watch One America News for my left wing source.

[Teppler]

Are you game to beat me off Teppyweppy?

You never make posts longer than 1 line. There’s nothing to engage.

It’s fun mocking your ridiculously stupid positions though such as Trump being an ultra elite exploiting people.

Kind of an odd position to take when Trump is exposing a crime that defrauded the tax payers 1 billion dollars.

[Horza]

your ridiculously stupid positions though such as Trump being an ultra elite exploiting people.

Trump is a billionaire.

[Wonkie]

Trump is a billionaire.

[Teppler]

There's death threats connected to this scandal now. This is getting even better. Enemy of the people Donald Trump exposing a 1 billion dollar scam against the commoners perpetrated by Obama Administration Vice President Joseph Biden.

https://i.ibb.co/5csYWSV/biden3.png

This is from the big dump of Ukraine documents I'm reading through.

[Horza]

I'm sorry, which of these gentlemen are you game to beat off?

[Wonkie]

There's death threats connected to this scandal now. This is getting even better. Enemy of the people Donald Trump exposing a 1 billion dollar scam against the commoners perpetrated by Obama Administration Vice President Joseph Biden.

https://i.ibb.co/5csYWSV/biden3.png

This is from the big dump of Ukraine documents I'm reading through.

https://youtu.be/aquSBPS4oAU

[Teppler]

These are amazing.

https://i.ibb.co/59RcR7J/biden4.png

Isn't this what you guys think Donald Trump does around the world?

[Horza]

Pelosi taps House Intelligence Committee to begin narrow impeachment push over Ukraine scandal. (https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/adam-schiff-house-intelligence-ukraine-investigation-pelosi/index.html)

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tasked the Intelligence Committee to initially take the lead on the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, telling her colleagues that the probe will for now be focused on allegations that he asked the leader of Ukraine to initiate an investigation that could have benefited his reelection, according to sources involved in the conversations.

The decision to make the House Intelligence Committee provides more clarity over how Pelosi characterized the strategy earlier this week when she said the probe would be done by six committees under the "umbrella" of an impeachment inquiry. The initial description led to some confusion among members about how the investigation would take shape.

[BallzDeep]

Not what I was referring to. But you do paint the standard Tippy The Turtle of conservative "justification" for marching hand in hand with hate groups.

Sorry about your traditional marriage and suppressed ability to express various *.isms. Bummer.

edit: (re: conspiracy theories) TL;DR - I suppose I could have just said, "all the cocaine-fueled shenanigans Teppler is gibbering about."

If your biased and don't have much of an imagination, then sure lump me in that category. It suits your agenda, doesn't it?

I guess you wouldn't be intelligent enough to ask the next question. Does traditional marriage have an effect on society and does being raised with both a mother and father have a greater impact on someone's ability to function. If the answer is yes, you are just standing here looking stupid.

Now I'll await your moral high ground about how you care about people more but don't care enough to look at the determining factors of why something might be happening. I get it, skip the research, Trump's the problem.

[Wonkie]

If your biased and don't have much of an imagination, then sure lump me in that category. It suits your agenda, doesn't it?

I guess you wouldn't be intelligent enough to ask the next question. Does traditional marriage have an effect on society and does being raised with both a mother and father have a greater impact on someone's ability to function. If the answer is yes, you are just standing here looking stupid.

Now I'll await your moral high ground about how you care about people more but don't care enough to look at the determining factors of why something might be happening. I get it, skip the research, Trump's the problem.

Cool identity politics Achmed

[Canelek]

So, mr deep, balls. Which one of your parents did you catch masturbating?