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[Csihar]

I just may disagree on points and not want to hash it over again and again, then the reading gets long and eyelids get heavy, melons sometimes will. Yeah I introduce tangents, I hit topics on every side conceivable, sometimes even inconceivable, but with the topic still in focus if seemingly only in the rear view mirror. Imagine chess with words. But it doesn't translate very well to written form, except for the hardcore reader that doesn't complain after two or three paragraphs condensed. Salute!

That's not it. I know this forum (like most forums online) are a sesspool of hatred but I'm not trying to be insulting for the sake of it. This is a legitimate attempt at constructive criticism in order to aid a good discussion.

I think you're sometimes quite poor in discussions. I understand that certain topics are complex and contain so many facets your mind starts jumping from point to point. You delve into one aspect but can't finish it right away because you need to highlight one specific aspect of that point and go off into something else but you can't finish that point right away because you need to highlight one specific aspect of that point and it continues on and on. If you talk long enough eventually you'll be able to finish every point though.

Being able to translate that well is an artform. And I don't just mean from spoken words to written words, I mean from your mind to spoken words. Not many people are good at it. Most people are bad at it. Inattention and laziness of the reader definitely plays a roll and you'll never get certain people to read what you're saying once it exceeds two paragraphs. But seeing as how those people won't read it regardless of the quality of what you're saying/writing you need to write for those that will read it. And once you enter that field, it's entirely on you to translate it well.

I also tend to write long posts. You can't condense complex issues into two or three paragraphs without being superficial and vague. What I've just said a lot of people would condense to two or three sentences. They wouldn't bother with a lot of what I said. So I get it.

But there's a difference between delving into subjects and being off-topic. There's a difference between expanding the discussion and ignoring what has been said in order to hold a monologue about things that have been on your mind that are distantly related to the topic (or hold the topic in the rear view mirror as you put it). There is no genuine back and forth and you fail to go into details on where you disagree. Your actual counter-arguments are quite short and inconcise while the other (off-topic) points you introduce are quite lengthy. It should at the very least be the other way around or everything should be lengthy and concise.

You're also unnecessarily irate and seemingly suspicious of peoples' motivations. It really doesn't make for good conservation. I agree with rebeccablack's observation that you probably feel like you win every argument. It's regretful that that sometimes seems to be your goal. In a good argument both parties win. Rational discussions are fun to have. You can gain knowledge (even if it's just a view into another person's mind and/or train of thought) and insight. You should aim to 'win' the argument but only in the sense that you're trying to prove your point as well as you can. Getting to the truth and having a good discussion is the real goal. Losing in a rational discussion is always better than winning in a verbal shit-throwing contest.

Like I said, you're a smart and knowledgeable guy but you're doing a lot of things wrong. If you'd correct those (and I think learn more about human psychology away from political issues because the two tend to clouded) you could communicate your thoughts and points significantly better and would give people more reason to actually listen to you. I also think you'd get a lot more out of it because it must be frustrating to be knowledgeable and have an intelligent and inquisitive mind but not have any real peers (I'm only speaking in terms of what I see on this forum. I'm not pretending to know anything about you in real life). Even if you're 100% right you can still fail to provide proper arguments and hold a good discussion. Good discussions are good.

(See... long posts :) )

[Pokesan]

whatchu think about the rookies gordo?

[Daywolf]

you're actually kind of bad at reading other peoples' posts and responding to their actual points. instead you just kind of insert whatever non sequitur gets you to the point you'd like to make, which makes having a discussion with you pretty difficult since you don't actually respond to people. i'm sure it feels to you like you win every argument though.
No I just disagree with what he said, and already answered it in that way, so what is the point in saying it again to what he's already said before? He just doesn't like me calling atheism a religion or a different view of atheism than he has. So how long do we sit doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result? You want links or something? Plenty of pages that detail it out easily found with google, some points I have already shared here (as I just now read these), and while trying to keep it somewhat in the political/geopolitical realm as is the thread topic.

Differrent views:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/10/atheism-is-a-religion
http://strangenotions.com/is-atheism-a-religion/
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_is_a_religion

But yeah, I don't simply define atheism by the name, but the action. Not of all, but by it's core membership. Just like progressive-liberalism, plenty of useful idiots just there for their important use, keeping the faith alive by power of the vote/s etc.


edit: lol now I get walls of text on how to write. It will never be acceptable until I accept your view. If you know it's a cesspool, and want to be different, then why write in cesspool terms? I write fine. ...be it condensed, but legible. Attack the post, not the poster, be less cesspooly like then ;)

I don't expect to change your mind here an now, not how males function. Males are slow to change, which is a strength of the gender.

[maskedmelon]

I do think belief is necessarily impulsive.
I like to differentiate between my thoughts and my opinions. Thoughts are an automatic process but I'll only call something my opinion once I think that I have enough information, thought it through properly and have a high degree of certainty. This distinction is arbitrary though. If you don't know you refrain from making claims of certainty.

So between your thoughts and opinions, which do you consider beliefs? I'd consider them all beliefs. they are conclusions that you have drawn and now hold some confidence in.

What would be the logic behind saying "I don't know whether or not I believe that I have a bag of Cheetos"?

i am not sure I understand what you are asking, but if you are asking what the structure of the argument is, that is the whole point :3 it is not an argument. it is the act of declining to make an argument on the subject. you're not drawing any conclusions about your belief with regard to possessing a bag of Cheetos.

I do have to say that one issue here is that semantics is very important here.


I agree with this very much.


Q: "Do you have a bag of Cheetos?"
A: "I believe so".

That answer means "I think I do". The word believe is used in a bunch of different ways and it can be confusing.

agreed.

In regards to your first two sentences: I agree entirely. I think that ties in with belief being impulsive.

In regards to disbelief equaling a lack of belief, I disagree entirely. And that's the key point.

yes, this is a key difference.

I posted this before:

A person tells a story to three people.

Person one thinks the story is true.
Person two thinks the story is a lie.
Person three doesn't quite know.

Does person one (who thinks it's true) believe the story? Yes.
Does person one disbelieve the story? No.

Does person two (who thinks it's a lie) believe the story? No.
Does person two disbelieve the story? Yes.

Does person three (who doesn't quite know) disbelieve the story? No.
Does person three believe the story? No.


That is the distinction between lack of belief and disbelief.

this is why I adressed professed disbelief in my original post. there is a fundamental difference between saying, "I do not believe x," or "I do not hold belief in x" and "I don't know." resolving that you have no belief that a thing exists implicitly rejects competing alternatives. to be able to say, "I do not hold belief in x," you have reasoned that it does not exist.

Lets just take the common usage of the word agnostic and speak on a person who hasn't been convinced of the existence of a god/gods. Does this person believe in any gods? Does this person hold a belief in a god/gods? The answer is no.
A person who doesn't believe/hold a belief in a god/gods is an atheist. An agnostic in the common usage of the word is actually an atheist. But common usage doesn't really mean much in terms of truth. "I could care less" is incorrect, no matter how much it is used.
'Atheist', 'theist' and 'agnostic' are all misapplied.

Wikipedia isn't exactly a source but in this case it can be helpful since we're talking about the usage of a word. A dictionary isn't an authority source on proper definitions either but both a dictionary and in this case Wikipedia do provide information on usage.

Wikipedia: "Atheism is, in the broadest sense, the absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities"

all good stuff.



You're right that it doesn't necessarily follow but I wasn't implying that it did. I only spoke on the Abrahamic god (for reasons I think are obvious) but I haven't been convinced by any.
Christians reject all other gods except for one. So you're right that their disbelief/lack of believe doesn't mean they don't hold belief in any gods.

I don't really see your point here though.

you did imply it in the structure of your argument: "I do not believe x, therefore I am y." i only pointed it out to illustrate the simplicity of the concept were discussing and how often loose logic results in faulty reasoning. the "lack of belief" argument is similar because it relies on a non-binary nature of existence. one cannot believe while not believing. restructuring the argument around belief vs lack of belief does nothing be detract from what the argument is:

i do not have confidence in the truthfulness of the existence of a divine being.

you cannot rationally hold that belief alongside:

i do not not have confidence in the truthfulness of the existence of a divine being.

There seems to be some implication of belief limbo but that would be contradictory with what you said earlier ("there is a belief or there is not. you believe or you do not"). But I don't think that's your point. Maybe this is something that we agree on. That's logic 101.

yes, once you have decided, which is what you must do to adopt a belief, you either believe or you do not.


What decision was made?

the decision to believe or not believe. but then, you indicated above that you believe decision making to be impulsive in some ways, but calculated in others. i am not sure I fully understand, but that is why I asked for clarification above :3

I don't think decision is the right word here though. Wouldn't 'making a truth claim' be more appropriate?

I have to look back at what I originally said, but I am presently not so concerned with truth claims as I am with reason.

This is why the term 'positive atheist' exists. A positive atheist is someone who doesn't hold a belief in any gods [belief] and claims that there are no gods (knowledge). This is a positive assertion and requires evidence. That is a decision/truth claim.

To go back to my comment about babies and atheism. The terms 'atheist' and 'theist' can't exist without the other. So if a person can't be a 'theist' applying the term 'atheist' is inappropriate.
Lets use a term that used to be quite popular (I'm reading "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas" now and it's ripe with the word) 'savage'. Imagine there was a group of savages that never had any contact with the outside world. They don't have gods in their culture and no concept of such a being. Therefore they don't hold any beliefs in gods. If they don't even have a concept of god they can't logically reject it. Yet they still lack a belief in any gods. This is what being an atheist boils down to.

but atheists do have a concept of gods, which they must necessarily reject if they are to process a disbelief thereof.

suppose you and I are three years old. i have not learned the names of any colors. you on the other hand have already learned to recognize the color red. while stuffing objects of various colors into my mouth, i hold no belief as to whether or not they are red. you on the other hand recognize that some of the objects look different. you do not know what they are, but you do not believe they are red. you reject the idea that they may be red in doing so.

[Pokesan]

muh russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.ea36cc9b437c)

[Ahldagor]

muh russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.ea36cc9b437c)

Damn. Nixon's rolling in his grave.

[Daywolf]

muh russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.ea36cc9b437c)
So he talked to them about muslims using laptops on airplanes to disrupt operations of the aircraft or some such? This is a security risk to tell a Russian ambassador?? ... was the Russian ambassador an islamisist? What, you think the Russians are stupid and don't know this already? You think the islamisists don't know about it which discovered it? Who claims it was such classified information? Top people, TOP?!

And we are really dumb of course, can't figure out why airlines are not letting laptops on-board all of the sudden now.

Man, look at all them stones flipping over, for anything! anything at all! no matter the absurdity. Obstructionism must continue to commence!

[Ahldagor]

That's not it. I know this forum (like most forums online) are a sesspool of hatred but I'm not trying to be insulting for the sake of it. This is a legitimate attempt at constructive criticism in order to aid a good discussion.

I think you're sometimes quite poor in discussions. I understand that certain topics are complex and contain so many facets your mind starts jumping from point to point. You delve into one aspect but can't finish it right away because you need to highlight one specific aspect of that point and go off into something else but you can't finish that point right away because you need to highlight one specific aspect of that point and it continues on and on. If you talk long enough eventually you'll be able to finish every point though.

Being able to translate that well is an artform. And I don't just mean from spoken words to written words, I mean from your mind to spoken words. Not many people are good at it. Most people are bad at it. Inattention and laziness of the reader definitely plays a roll and you'll never get certain people to read what you're saying once it exceeds two paragraphs. But seeing as how those people won't read it regardless of the quality of what you're saying/writing you need to write for those that will read it. And once you enter that field, it's entirely on you to translate it well.

I also tend to write long posts. You can't condense complex issues into two or three paragraphs without being superficial and vague. What I've just said a lot of people would condense to two or three sentences. They wouldn't bother with a lot of what I said. So I get it.

But there's a difference between delving into subjects and being off-topic. There's a difference between expanding the discussion and ignoring what has been said in order to hold a monologue about things that have been on your mind that are distantly related to the topic (or hold the topic in the rear view mirror as you put it). There is no genuine back and forth and you fail to go into details on where you disagree. Your actual counter-arguments are quite short and inconcise while the other (off-topic) points you introduce are quite lengthy. It should at the very least be the other way around or everything should be lengthy and concise.

You're also unnecessarily irate and seemingly suspicious of peoples' motivations. It really doesn't make for good conservation. I agree with rebeccablack's observation that you probably feel like you win every argument. It's regretful that that sometimes seems to be your goal. In a good argument both parties win. Rational discussions are fun to have. You can gain knowledge (even if it's just a view into another person's mind and/or train of thought) and insight. You should aim to 'win' the argument but only in the sense that you're trying to prove your point as well as you can. Getting to the truth and having a good discussion is the real goal. Losing in a rational discussion is always better than winning in a verbal shit-throwing contest.

Like I said, you're a smart and knowledgeable guy but you're doing a lot of things wrong. If you'd correct those (and I think learn more about human psychology away from political issues because the two tend to clouded) you could communicate your thoughts and points significantly better and would give people more reason to actually listen to you. I also think you'd get a lot more out of it because it must be frustrating to be knowledgeable and have an intelligent and inquisitive mind but not have any real peers (I'm only speaking in terms of what I see on this forum. I'm not pretending to know anything about you in real life). Even if you're 100% right you can still fail to provide proper arguments and hold a good discussion. Good discussions are good.

(See... long posts :) )

Fippy won't concede to rationale that they don't believe is manifested internally. Giving Fippy any advice on presentation is taken as a personal attack by Fippy because Fippy is proly an undiagnosed narcissist as well as being politically cucked. Fippy is all bark and likely just a sycophant of alt-thought (no other way to label it came to mind). I suggest openly laughing at Fippy because it's sad otherwise.

[Pokesan]

So he talked to them about muslims using laptops on airplanes to disrupt operations of the aircraft or some such? This is a security risk to tell a Russian ambassador?? ... was the Russian ambassador an islamisist? What, you think the Russians are stupid and don't know this already? You think the islamisists don't know about it which discovered it? Who claims it was such classified information? Top people, TOP?!

And we are really dumb of course, can't figure out why airlines are not letting laptops on-board all of the sudden now.

Man, look at all them stones flipping over, for anything! anything at all! no matter the absurdity. Obstructionism must continue to commence!

lock him up https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750648675186147328?

[Ahldagor]

So he talked to them about muslims using laptops on airplanes to disrupt operations of the aircraft or some such? This is a security risk to tell a Russian ambassador?? ... was the Russian ambassador an islamisist? What, you think the Russians are stupid and don't know this already? You think the islamisists don't know about it which discovered it? Who claims it was such classified information? Top people, TOP?!

And we are really dumb of course, can't figure out why airlines are not letting laptops on-board all of the sudden now.

Man, look at all them stones flipping over, for anything! anything at all! no matter the absurdity. Obstructionism must continue to commence!

Lol, just lol. Lololllolololololololololololollololololololololol olololololololololololololoololololololololll

It's funny how you think that potential treason is no big deal.

Lololololololololooololllolollolool

[Daywolf]

Lol, just lol. Lololllolololololololololololollololololololololol olololololololololololololoololololololololll

It's funny how you think that potential treason is no big deal.

Lololololololololooololllolollolool
Treason, like giving Iran wheelbarrows of money to make nukes? I take treason seriously. Telling a Russian ambassador something the Russians already know? Sounds like exchange of information helping to keep us all safe. Dang progressives going to get us all killed! ...just to spite Trump and those that voted him in over your psychopath HRC.

[Jarnauga]

Daywolf just posted a link from conservapedia

http://i.imgur.com/0KVusfh.gif

[Daywolf]

Daywolf just posted a link from conservapedia

http://i.imgur.com/Oz1PGPc.gif

I keep putting the quote into the jar jar binks translator http://www.jar-jar-binks.com/talk.jsp but it just keeps coming back the same way .... it must already be in true jar jar binks form and no need to translate :D

[AzzarTheGod]

muh russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.ea36cc9b437c)

lmao they bustin gats off, its a done deal, its a clean (RADIO EDIT)

it doesn't seem real when the Fat King spills


bars #proudboy

[Jarnauga]

Tide goes in, tide goes out, YA CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT

[Ahldagor]

Treason, like giving Iran wheelbarrows of money to make nukes? I take treason seriously. Telling a Russian ambassador something the Russians already know? Sounds like exchange of information helping to keep us all safe. Dang progressives going to get us all killed! ...just to spite Trump and those that voted him in over your psychopath HRC.

Lol, just lol. Tangents don't help your dismissiveness. Stay politically cucked. The Russians didn't know which is why it was shared, you make some broad assumptions there ya moran. Lololollllolololololololololololololololololololol olololololololololollololololololololoolololololol

[AzzarTheGod]

the reason why we care if its shared is because the russians can then examine how we collect sensitive intelligence on threats in a war zone

i.e. ISIS.

that is an incredibly valuable asset to disclose to Russia in a careless way. also once they discover the source and method, they can extort the source. the source is at risk of extortion once Russia finds out who the source is.

I'd guess the source is ISI (pakistan), or possibly the Turks (would be HUGE if it was the Turks, there is a whole stick of dynamite there politically with US-Russia-Turkey waiting to explode)

leaning towards Turkey due to how serious its being painted.

ill go ahead and confirm now to you fat bitches that it involves Turkey #proudboy

[Jarnauga]

Telling a Russian ambassador something the Russians already know? Sounds like exchange of information helping to keep us all safe.

i'm sure glad you guys didn't elect someone with a private email server, just imagine for a second..!

[Daywolf]

i'm sure glad you guys didn't elect someone with a private email server, just imagine for a second..!
What? You think they didn't get a hold of Trump's emails too? Ohhhh I get it, he's just as bad as HRC and what she did conspiring against Sanders along with the DNC chair etc... uh-huh. And lying er forgot about an unsecured server she had in her closet woops! It's all just one big conspiracy as Trump gets away with things done far worse than HRC was actually caught doing time and time again while given a pass above the law.

I'm so glad you are not just a partisan hack, frenchie, whining for the globalist dream not to die. I hope Trump crushes the life out of it, then wipes his butt with it before tossing it away. Your ideology will lead to the death of billions.

[Daywolf]

the reason why we care if its shared is because the russians can then examine how we collect sensitive intelligence on threats in a war zone

i.e. ISIS.

that is an incredibly valuable asset to disclose to Russia in a careless way. also once they discover the source and method, they can extort the source. the source is at risk of extortion once Russia finds out who the source is.

I'd guess the source is ISI (pakistan), or possibly the Turks (would be HUGE if it was the Turks, there is a whole stick of dynamite there politically with US-Russia-Turkey waiting to explode)

leaning towards Turkey due to how serious its being painted.

ill go ahead and confirm now to you fat bitches that it involves Turkey #proudboy

Wolf!
Wolf!
Woooolf!

You know that gets my attention every single time it's cried, right? hehe
And this thread needs more conspiracy theories anyway, even if they are just spawned out of globalist/partisan obstructionism every time. [I <3 Conspiracy Theories]


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[Jarnauga]

What? You think they didn't get a hold of Trump's emails too? Ohhhh I get it, he's just as bad as HRC and what she did conspiring against Sanders along with the DNC chair etc... uh-huh. And lying er forgot about an unsecured server she had in her closet woops! It's all just one big conspiracy as Trump gets away with things done far worse than HRC was actually caught doing time and time again while given a pass above the law.

I'm so glad you are not just a partisan hack, frenchie, whining for the globalist dream not to die. I hope Trump crushes the life out of it, then wipes his butt with it before tossing it away. Your ideology will lead to the death of billions.

Trump can't even look at Merkel straight into the eyes, my poor friend.

[Daywolf]

Trump can't even look at Merkel straight into the eyes, my poor friend.
Well maybe she should try getting up off her knees and wiping her face clean first.

[Rader]

Lol, just lol. Lololllolololololololololololollololololololololol olololololololololololololoololololololololll

It's funny how you think that potential treason is no big deal.

Lololololololololooololllolollolool

Bengazi, Iran, Cuba, IRS, VA, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Rosen, AP, Bergdahl, ISIS is a JV team, Brazile passing debate questions, DNC sabotaging Bernie, Orlando, San Bernadino, Boston Marathon, Fort Hood, Clinton Foundation, private email servers... >>> move on, nothing to see here folks

but but but, Trump hits Clinton's reset button with Russia, and we are supposed to have a cow about it? Sorry, not drinking that cool-aid. Sh!t, you @$$holes think just being registered with a party other than the Democrats is TREASON, so anything you prattle on about carries no weight whatsoever.

[Jarnauga]

Well maybe she should try getting up off her knees and wiping her face clean first.

http://i.imgur.com/3jT1qac.jpg?1

that looks correct :D

http://i.imgur.com/LT2l0gP.png
http://i.imgur.com/4VEJuEO.png

BUT. HER. EMAILS.

[Jarnauga]

Bengazi, Iran, Cuba, IRS, VA, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Rosen, AP, Bergdahl, ISIS is a JV team, Brazile passing debate questions, DNC sabotaging Bernie, Orlando, San Bernadino, Boston Marathon, Fort Hood, Clinton Foundation, private email servers... >>> move on, nothing to see here folks

but but but, Trump hits Clinton's reset button with Russia, and we are supposed to have a cow about it? Sorry, not drinking that cool-aid. Sh!t, you @$$holes think just being registered with a party other than the Democrats is TREASON, so anything you prattle on about carries no weight whatsoever.

i mean, that's fine to criticize the other camp for that. like really, go ahead. But you know, if you do the exact same thing and worse, that really doesn't make you look like anything but a bunch of retarded hypocrites.

[Rader]

i mean, that's fine to criticize the other camp for that. like really, go ahead. But you know, if you do the exact same thing and worse, that really doesn't make you look like anything but a bunch of retarded hypocrites.

Jar Jar, Republicans are guilty of a lot of things, in particular standing for nothing other than kissing their donors' @$$. But that is true for the dims too, on top of all the scandals I listed. For you to equate the two parties shows you to be a progressive flunky. I belong to no party.

[Pokesan]

Jar Jar, Republicans are guilty of a lot of things, in particular standing for nothing other than kissing their donors' @$$. But that is true for the dims too, on top of all the scandals I listed. For you to equate the two parties shows you to be a progressive flunky. I belong to no party.

yet here you are angrily defending a republican president

I totally buy that bullshit amigo

[Rader]

yet here you are angrily defending a republican president

I totally buy that bullshit amigo

says the angry defensive shit-eating lib

[Pokesan]

says the angry defensive shit-eating lib

dang sick trollface dude. i am so very pissed!

[Ahldagor]

CAUTION: EDGE

[Domo]

I always though that american patriotism is the highest charakter attribute for every american, but it seems for some americans the loyalty to their president is higher?!

President > country ?

(Hope I dont offend anyone with this question)

[mickmoranis]

naw you mistook idiots for patriots.

[mickmoranis]

I belong to no party.

the only people who can claim non party affiliation are those that did not vote for trump or Hillary.

[Pokesan]

the only people who can claim non party affiliation are those that did not vote for trump or Hillary.

this applies to me, i voted for the tree jew #gilf

previously voted for obama AND bush. i am the ultimate snowflake.

[Daywolf]

No you know that's damn bullshit. I support him because he's a fucking outsider! I didn't fucking vote for Romney, McCocaine, not even Bsh/twrs, didn't vote for him once! I voted for his dad the first election, but I regretted it because of his NWO bullshit and didn't vote for him for re-election in which globalist Clinton won and wrecked the country just as much... and still trying to.

THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN PARTY!!! All you guys sit here and type out how much you hate the bankers, wall street, all that shit, while you fucking VOTE IT IN! And when you lose the vote and we elect an outsider to stop the shit you supposedly hate, YOU THROW FITS!

FUCK YOU ALL you're are hopeless! You and your Bernie, YOU JUST WANTED FREE STUFF!!! You don't give a damn about this country, only FREE STUFF at cost to kids you will probably never even have but still stick them with YOUR bills for ((((((((((((free stuff))))))))))

FREE FUCKING STUFF!!!!

So fuck you Pokemoranis
So fuck you AtG
So fuck you Juri and your MTV
So fuck you jar jar from "france" or somewhere across the sea
So fuck you Al d Gore and your global warming made of pee

So fuck your army of virtue signalling alts
So fuck your system you sold out to you bunch of dolts
So fuck the assembly line you rolled out on when they switched you on
So fuck your bags of loot off other people you used the govt to steal from before you're gone

https://youtu.be/PgX5XUoeN3I
/drops mic
fuck off!

Daywolf has left the doghouse... (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZkZxa1qTCnf5U7iRkU6jZQ/videos?sort=dd&view=15&shelf_id=2)

[mickmoranis]

this applies to me, i voted for the tree jew #gilf

previously voted for obama AND bush. i am the ultimate snowflake.

in your case if the left gets back in control you just might be hanged

[Pokesan]

No you know that's damn bullshit. I support him because he's a fucking outsider! I didn't fucking vote for Romney, McCocaine, not even Bsh/twrs, didn't vote for him once! I voted for his dad the first election, but I regretted it because of his NWO bullshit and didn't vote for him for re-election in which globalist Clinton won and wrecked the country just as much... and still trying to.

THEY ARE THE SAME DAMN PARTY!!! All you guys sit here and type out how much you hate the bankers, wall street, all that shit, while you fucking VOTE IT IN! And when you lose the vote and we elect an outsider to stop the shit you supposedly hate, YOU THROW FITS!

FUCK YOU ALL you're are hopeless! You and your Bernie, YOU JUST WANTED FREE STUFF!!! You don't give a damn about this country, only FREE STUFF at cost to kids you will probably never even have but still stick them with YOUR bills for ((((((((((((free stuff))))))))))

FREE FUCKING STUFF!!!!

So fuck you Pokemoranis
So fuck you AtG
So fuck you Juri and your MTV
So fuck you jar jar from "france" or somewhere across the sea
So fuck you Al d Gore and your global warming made of pee

So fuck your army of virtue signalling alts
So fuck your system you sold out to you bunch of dolts
So fuck the assembly line you rolled out on when they switched you on
So fuck your bags of loot off other people you used the govt to steal from before you're gone

https://youtu.be/PgX5XUoeN3I
/drops mic
fuck off!

Daywolf has left the doghouse... (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZkZxa1qTCnf5U7iRkU6jZQ/videos?sort=dd&view=15&shelf_id=2)

you're arguing for class warfare while having voted for a billionaire

Fippy is a good name for you.

[Pokesan]

in your case if the left gets back in control you just might be hanged

that's fine i just hope they hang o'keefe first so i can watch

[mickmoranis]

I feel bad for fippy because he is upset that every day his outsider reveals hes an insider who just was outside and wanted in.

[AenorVZ]

((((((((((((free stuff))))))))))

So you agree the MID should be eliminated?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/m...nequality.html

Or do you have a double standard when it comes to wealthy welfare queens?

[AzzarTheGod]

I feel bad for fippy because he is upset that every day his outsider reveals hes an insider who just was outside and wanted in.

To Daywolf's credit he has acknowledged this in the past few weeks when he posted the Batman video featuring Bane. He said "the fire rises"

I have some respect for him.

[Jarnauga]

I always though that american patriotism is the highest charakter attribute for every american, but it seems for some americans the loyalty to their president is higher?!

President > country ?

(Hope I dont offend anyone with this question)

Nah, russia > president > country

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/14/richard-spencer-white-nationalist-virginia-confederate-statue

https://twitter.com/craftypanda/status/863564616026263555

Can't make that shit up :D

[Rader]

the only people who can claim non party affiliation are those that did not vote for trump or Hillary.

Voting is counter-productive, it only encourages them.

[Ahldagor]

Nah, russia > president > country

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/14/richard-spencer-white-nationalist-virginia-confederate-statue

https://twitter.com/craftypanda/status/863564616026263555

Can't make that shit up :D

By Spencer's logic, it's global-white-personhood>Russia>President>Country, so the antiglobalist is a globalist if you're white because of common ancestry.....lololololollolololololollololololllol ololololollolollololooo

[JurisDictum]

Science isn't by consensus, it's by proven result. I mean you really just defined what I said about much of scientists being locked into old world propaganda to control not only a population and their ideas but also how they buy or consume.

Scientific consensus is part of the scientific process. First there are controlled tests demonstrating their hypothesis, then write a paper about it, then they submit the paper in a journal for professional review. Some scientists repeat the experiment and see for themselves. After awhile we will arrive at "accepted science." Theory is a kind of graduation point of ideas in science. They explain several phenomenon well at once.

While it would be nice if 100% scientists went with the best argument -- sometimes politics creep in. From the days of Galileo up to present -- (mostly conservative) humans have stifled science by insisting it conform to their religious or dogmatic views of reality. But eventually reality wins out and the scientist is validated after or close to death.

I'm not a climate scientist so I'm not going to be up to date with all the climate science literature. So for people like me -- which includes almost everyone -- scientific consensus is important. Say 97% of climate scientists think humans are causing the planet to warm. What fucking good reason do I have to oppose them, and think my religo-political view is superior?

[Jarnauga]

Scientific consensus is part of the scientific process. First there are controlled tests demonstrating their hypothesis, then write a paper about it, then they submit the paper in a journal for professional review. Some scientists repeat the experiment and see for themselves. After awhile we will arrive at "accepted science." Theory is a kind of graduation point of ideas in science. They explain several phenomenon well at once.

While it would be nice if 100% scientists went with the best argument -- sometimes politics creep in. From the days of Galileo up to present -- (mostly conservative) humans have stifled science by insisting it conform to their religious or dogmatic views of reality. But eventually reality wins out and the scientist is validated after or close to death.

I'm not a climate scientist so I'm not going to be up to date with all the climate science literature. So for people like me -- which includes almost everyone -- scientific consensus is important. Say 97% of climate scientists think humans are causing the planet to warm. What fucking good reason do I have to oppose them, and think my religo-political view is superior?

No climate change denier published a peer reviewed paper on it.. guess why ? :rolleyes:

[mickmoranis]

I am in shock that daywolf doesn't even understand the basic concepts of science. like the 8th grade intro to science basics.

[Pokesan]

NETANYAHU: TRUMP IS A GREAT FRIEND OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE

[JurisDictum]

NETANYAHU: TRUMP IS A GREAT FRIEND OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE

Given the kind of capitulation Trump is dishing to him -- he would have said that if Trump had a swastika tattooed on his back.

[Pokesan]

Given the kind of capitulation Trump is dishing to him -- he would have said that if Trump had a swastika tattooed on his back.

perhaps trump will sit shiva for those he caused to be tortured to death yesterday!

[Rader]

Scientific consensus is part of the scientific process. First there are controlled tests demonstrating their hypothesis, then write a paper about it, then they submit the paper in a journal for professional review. Some scientists repeat the experiment and see for themselves. After awhile we will arrive at "accepted science." Theory is a kind of graduation point of ideas in science. They explain several phenomenon well at once.

While it would be nice if 100% scientists went with the best argument -- sometimes politics creep in. From the days of Galileo up to present -- (mostly conservative) humans have stifled science by insisting it conform to their religious or dogmatic views of reality. But eventually reality wins out and the scientist is validated after or close to death.

I'm not a climate scientist, just another liberal moron, I'm not going to be up to date with all the climate science literature. So for people like me -- which includes almost everyone -- scientific consensus is important. Say 97% of climate scientists think humans are causing the planet to warm. What fucking good reason do I have to oppose them, and think my religo-political view is superior?

97 percent of brain scientists think progressives have retarded mental development, what fucking reason do I have to think otherwise?

[mickmoranis]

what can be said except for Americans think they are scientific because they weigh in all the information the media tells them.

[Patriam1066]

Welp, fuck it

Sanders 2020

[mickmoranis]

big money in politics is literally the root of every persons problem with politics but hey fuck the socialist cus of 8th grade philosophy right?

[Patriam1066]

this applies to me, i voted for the tree jew #gilf

previously voted for obama AND bush. i am the ultimate snowflake.

lol

I regret voting trump but I still couldn't vote for Hillary

What 2 do?

[Ahldagor]

lol

I regret voting trump but I still couldn't vote for Hillary

What 2 do?

Gary Johnson. Mainly for the real lulz, but seriously, it was the old dried up witch with a lot of money or the fat manchild with a lot of money, sadly.

[AzzarTheGod]

Hillary came with too much globalist baggage, whether you are pro-globalist or not.

She had serious compromises and was not making decisions based on America's economy. Fact is, Trump was the only candidate. Even the left knows how brazen and obscene the Clinton Global Initiative was and the Clinton Foundation was.

Its not possible to regret it sorry bud. Expound this dique.

#proudboy

[Pokesan]

ey yo my brother is spamming me about bit/alt coin

how do i save him from himself

[Trungep99]

So Trump asked Comey to shut down the Flynn investigation and none of you are discussing it. Well the memo is to still be reviewed and reported further to the public, but he is the biggest moron to hold the office of the presidency.

[Trungep99]

lol

I regret voting trump but I still couldn't vote for Hillary

What 2 do?

What to do? Go to your local representative and tell them to do what is right

[Rader]

So Trump asked Comey to shut down the Flynn investigation and none of you are discussing it. Well the memo is to still be reviewed and reported further to the public, but he is the biggest moron to hold the office of the presidency.

Sure, let's discuss, once all the Obama scandals have had a thorough vetting. Until then, you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

[mickmoranis]

false equivalency also they went full retard over hillary for less.

[Rader]

false equivalency also they went full retard over hillary for less.

False equivalency is believing Trump is as corrupt as Odumbass.

[Rader]

false equivalency also they went full retard over hillary for less.

False equivalency is also believing the Russians did more to influence the election than the MSM did.

[mickmoranis]

False equivalency is believing Trump is as corrupt as Odumbass.

idk about that, I'm by no means a fan of obama and hes corrupt, but hes definitely not more corrupt than trump unless you factor in conspiracy stuff I dont believe in.

[mickmoranis]

False equivalency is also believing the Russians did more to influence the election than the MSM did.

The thing is this isnt about influencing the election anymore. Its about back room deals with foreign money.

[AzzarTheGod]

Sure, let's discuss, once all the Obama scandals have had a thorough vetting. Until then, you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Truuuuuuuuuuuu

[AzzarTheGod]

ey yo my brother is spamming me about bit/alt coin

how do i save him from himself

tell him its not as easy as it seems, the top farmers already have huge farms with huge farming chipsets state-of-the-art computer farms. like compare what your brother could do to farm bitcoins to marijauna farming. Your brother would be growing a few plants in his house while the real bitcoin farmers are using a room full of computers and they have been doing this since bitcoin came out...some even have warehouses...

hope that helps. i looked into it. its a big investment just to compete against the top farmers and the headstart the farmers have is very very big. im not saying its not a cool hobby. just tell him its not the secret overnight success he thinks it is....if he gets into it, it should just be considered a fun cool hobby, nothing more. Like any hobby, it costs more money the more serious you take the hobby. The more money you invest into your farming operation the more bitcoins...but again, the farmers have a large advantage over a small operation for reasons i dont care to get into here. you can find articles describing how it works. at least if he understands how the farming works, he might be able to make an informed decision.

[AzzarTheGod]

So Trump asked Comey to shut down the Flynn investigation and none of you are discussing it. Well the memo is to still be reviewed and reported further to the public, but he is the biggest moron to hold the office of the presidency.

The Fat King has everyone stunned speechless with his incompetency. If you want a non-troll answer, there you go bud. Hope that helps fill you in.

Do you see any Golf Course Country Club Foodbar Diet clan members in this thread anymore? Exactly. What is there to discuss? He is bungling at politics. He is literally failing to play the game. He is losing the game because of his lack of fundamental undestanding of politics.

Hows that tax reform bill looking ??? Reagan what??

REAGAN WHAT???????????

[maskedmelonpai]

tell him its not as easy as it seems, the top farmers already have huge farms with huge farming chipsets state-of-the-art computer farms. like compare what your brother could do to farm bitcoins to marijauna farming. Your brother would be growing a few plants in his house while the real bitcoin farmers are using a room full of computers and they have been doing this since bitcoin came out...some even have warehouses...

hope that helps. i looked into it. its a big investment just to compete against the top farmers and the headstart the farmers have is very very big. im not saying its not a cool hobby. just tell him its not the secret overnight success he thinks it is....if he gets into it, it should just be considered a fun cool hobby, nothing more. Like any hobby, it costs more money the more serious you take the hobby. The more money you invest into your farming operation the more bitcoins...but again, the farmers have a large advantage over a small operation for reasons i dont care to get into here. you can find articles describing how it works. at least if he understands how the farming works, he might be able to make an informed decision.

it all come down to how much computing power is presently devoted to mining. at the current disco bounty, you need to furnish .002% of the total processing power to gross around $50/hr and that is gross, not net.

from there you have to deduct power and equipment costs. suppose there currently are a million registered mining units, you'd need 20 average powered boxes at an initial investment of $1k/box =$20k.

then from here you gotta consider electric costs. assuming each machine eat 1kw/hr, you gonna consume 14,400kwhr per month. if you lucky enough to live in a energy rich place liek the pnw, then you can figure $.11/kwhr, for a monthly electric bill increase of $1,584.

you also gotta think about how the hell you actually gonna power all those in a residential environment without tripping breakers. and how long the machines gonna last before they burn out? of course, if they working 24hr a day that $50/hr look a lot better than a normal 9to5, but they gonna burn out a lot sooner and they not all gonna be up all the time because you gotta perform maintenance and stuff. you gonna have fans die, etc.

bitcoin also half they disco bounty liek every 4 years, so your revenues gonna drop accordingly unless you furnish a larger share of the computing power. you share of computing power is gonna go down anyway though whenever new miners come online and the currency will necessarily devalue as more is issued. all the above assume the exchange rate hold at $1800/bc and no new miners to chip away at your contribution to the network.

[Ahldagor]

The Fat King has everyone stunned speechless with his incompetency. If you want a non-troll answer, there you go bud. Hope that helps fill you in.

Do you see any Golf Course Country Club Foodbar Diet clan members in this thread anymore? Exactly. What is there to discuss? He is bungling at politics. He is literally failing to play the game. He is losing the game because of his lack of fundamental undestanding of politics.

Hows that tax reform bill looking ??? Reagan what??

REAGAN WHAT???????????

Lol, GOP wasn't going to sign the parties deathknell with that tax bill. Hell, that healthcare bill has done a lot of damage already.

[Trungep99]

Sure, let's discuss, once all the Obama scandals have had a thorough vetting. Until then, you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Obama is out of office. He is only a distraction for you from something that his opposition is having trouble covering up

[JurisDictum]

Obama is out of office. He is only a distraction for you from something that his opposition is having trouble covering up

They also did this when Obama was in office. I don't think Trump has been given much more chance to implement his ideas than Obama was. That being said, in this case I'm not as sad about it. From what I've seen -- Trump is just another ally of the 1%. Trump's dream is that his kids get a more outrageously lavish lifestyle than he already has.

People like Trump are your enemy. They want to live an aristocratic America where people like him use their private jet to travel to their luxury hotels around the world. You know, so they can "work" (spend 55 mins chatting 5 mins of telling people what to do).

They envision an America where an upper middle class of administrators do all the work of extracting resources and making everything run on schedule for them. In return they get a mediocre lifestyle they are told makes them "rich." They encourage this class of Uncle Toms to look down on regular service and construction workers. They want everyone to strive to be this administrative class out of sheer survival instinct.

But other than that, he's a lot like Obama.

[Pokesan]

They also did this when Obama was in office. I don't think Trump has been given much more chance to implement his ideas than Obama was. That being said, in this case I'm not as sad about it. From what I've seen -- Trump is just another ally of the 1%. Trump's dream is that his kids get a more outrageously lavish lifestyle than he already has.

People like Trump are your enemy. They want to live an aristocratic America where people like him use their private jet to travel to their luxury hotels around the world. You know, so they can "work" (spend 55 mins chatting 5 mins of telling people what to do).

They envision an America where an upper middle class of administrators do all the work of extracting resources and making everything run on schedule for them. In return they get a mediocre lifestyle they are told makes them "rich." They encourage this class of Uncle Toms to look down on regular service and construction workers. They want everyone to strive to be this administrative class out of sheer survival instinct.

But other than that, he's a lot like Obama.

strongly STRONGLY approve of using 'uncle toms' as an economic term

this probably means you shouldn't do that

[Rader]

Obama is out of office. He is only a distraction for you from something that his opposition is having trouble covering up

And you people were blubbering about Bush seven years after he was out of office.

[FatMice]

Impeach.

[Pokesan]

tell him its not as easy as it seems, the top farmers already have huge farms with huge farming chipsets state-of-the-art computer farms. like compare what your brother could do to farm bitcoins to marijauna farming. Your brother would be growing a few plants in his house while the real bitcoin farmers are using a room full of computers and they have been doing this since bitcoin came out...some even have warehouses...

hope that helps. i looked into it. its a big investment just to compete against the top farmers and the headstart the farmers have is very very big. im not saying its not a cool hobby. just tell him its not the secret overnight success he thinks it is....if he gets into it, it should just be considered a fun cool hobby, nothing more. Like any hobby, it costs more money the more serious you take the hobby. The more money you invest into your farming operation the more bitcoins...but again, the farmers have a large advantage over a small operation for reasons i dont care to get into here. you can find articles describing how it works. at least if he understands how the farming works, he might be able to make an informed decision.

it all come down to how much computing power is presently devoted to mining. at the current disco bounty, you need to furnish .002% of the total processing power to gross around $50/hr and that is gross, not net.

from there you have to deduct power and equipment costs. suppose there currently are a million registered mining units, you'd need 20 average powered boxes at an initial investment of $1k/box =$20k.

then from here you gotta consider electric costs. assuming each machine eat 1kw/hr, you gonna consume 14,400kwhr per month. if you lucky enough to live in a energy rich place liek the pnw, then you can figure $.11/kwhr, for a monthly electric bill increase of $1,584.

you also gotta think about how the hell you actually gonna power all those in a residential environment without tripping breakers. and how long the machines gonna last before they burn out? of course, if they working 24hr a day that $50/hr look a lot better than a normal 9to5, but they gonna burn out a lot sooner and they not all gonna be up all the time because you gotta perform maintenance and stuff. you gonna have fans die, etc.

bitcoin also half they disco bounty liek every 4 years, so your revenues gonna drop accordingly unless you furnish a larger share of the computing power. you share of computing power is gonna go down anyway though whenever new miners come online and the currency will necessarily devalue as more is issued. all the above assume the exchange rate hold at $1800/bc and no new miners to chip away at your contribution to the network.


he's approaching it as an investor, and encouraging me to begin mining altcoins. he has invested in a little bitcoin and "thousands of altcoins" of several types. The mining stuff is good to know and confirms my previous impression.

I'm really concerned he will ruin his finances buying (what I consider) internet fun bucks/amusement park tokens and looking for arguments to dissuade him.

[Pokesan]

the best angle i've come up with so far is asking him if he plans to commit tax fraud

[mickmoranis]

And you people were blubbering about Bush seven years after he was out of office.

that's because we are STILL in a war that was started with lies to impress his daddy.

Oh are you STILL getting healthcare and that makes you mad? gimi a break. False equivalency AGAIN from the same poster.

[Ahldagor]

Another bait and switch? President Trump extends Odumbasses Iran deal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39950827

[mickmoranis]

Another bait and switch? President Trump extends Odumbasses Iran deal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39950827

"Presidenting is hard, maybe obama wasnt as bad at it as I thought." -Trump


























"Fuck obama still though" -mickmoranis

[AzzarTheGod]

"Presidenting is hard, maybe obama wasnt as bad at it as I thought." -Trump



lmao woke

"this is as good as it gets folks" - Trump

[mickmoranis]

My fave thing about America today is for our entire generation weve known that we have the worst education system... now we are paying the piper.

[AzzarTheGod]

My fave thing about America today is for our entire generation weve known that we have the worst education system... now we are paying the piper.

we dont want it to be good, and we dont want technology to shorten the work week, or eliminate bullshit jobs or empty office time.

why? because then people start to become more active in politics. And that would be a big big problem.

[mickmoranis]

whoah speaking of how dumb we are because of tanked education, I just coincidentally found out that 96% of Americans dont eat the minimum recommended amount of greens food a year

basically 100% of americans dont eat green colored food lmao

Lets hear what they have to say about why thats wrong and trump is great :rolleyes:

https://youtu.be/uDNHIdWXjLY

[Lune]

basically 100% of americans dont eat green colored food lmao

Lets hear what they have to say about why thats wrong and trump is great

Challenge accepted. Government nutritional guidelines are bullshit written by whichever agricultural conglomerate has the most clout with the USDA.

And Trump is great because he's punishment for our sins; it's the hell we created and it's the one we wanted. We're selfish gluttonous fucks, he's Satan, and his executive orders and cabinet appointments are the pineapples.

[mickmoranis]

who fucking cares if its bullshit or not

the fucking minimum is like 1 gram a meal and 96% of Americans dont hit that

if that doesnt make you laugh at how fucking shit americans are at life then just fuck off back to blue.

[Pokesan]

knock it off guys accelerationism is VERY immature

[AzzarTheGod]

Challenge accepted. Government nutritional guidelines are bullshit written by whichever agricultural conglomerate has the most clout with the USDA.

And Trump is great because he's punishment for our sins; it's the hell we created and it's the one we wanted. We're selfish gluttonous fucks, he's Satan, and his executive orders and cabinet appointments are the pineapples.

damn my sega really comin thru with the knowledge today

file it under /woke9k/

[maskedmelonpai]

Challenge accepted. Government nutritional guidelines are bullshit written by whichever agricultural conglomerate has the most clout with the USDA.

And Trump is great because he's punishment for our sins; it's the hell we created and it's the one we wanted. We're selfish gluttonous fucks, he's Satan, and his executive orders and cabinet appointments are the pineapples.

I actually liek this post a LOT. it a good post. but why they pineapples though? what you mean? it a innuendo? liek they for our bums?

[mickmoranis]

god damnit that post is just a re-wording of my exact same post..

[Patriam1066]

Ok, so we've found common ground on trump. What about Gisele Bundchen? Am I the only person who thinks she has a horse face?

[AzzarTheGod]

Ok, so we've found common ground on trump. What about Gisele Bundchen? Am I the only person who thinks she has a horse face?

i know a girl on IG who is saudi/armenian and dutch raised in saudi. who has a touch of Gisele in the face. i was going to tell her so, but then i realized she puts gisele to shame. there are so many undiscovered or wasted talents because there are only so many spots to be taken unfortunately.

its all about promo and politics and what some gay 300 lb zog boss thinks a girl should look like. high fashion is lame.

[Ahldagor]

Ok, so we've found common ground on trump. What about Gisele Bundchen? Am I the only person who thinks she has a horse face?

Strong jaw line and high crown on the skull making the illusion. Her lip to teeth ratio is horrifying tho'. Not Julia Roberts terror, but along that path.

[Trungep99]

And you people were blubbering about Bush seven years after he was out of office.

Cuz we inherited his shitty economy

[JurisDictum]

If conservatives want to join us in bitching about Bush, by all means.

8581

[mickmoranis]

Id also like to remind conservitives of the relentless "you dont love america if you dont love bush" crying they all did for 8 years any time anyone said ANYthing about the man, the huge pussies.

[Rader]

Id also like to remind conservitives of the relentless "you dont love america if you dont love bush" crying they all did for 8 years any time anyone said ANYthing about the man, the huge pussies.

Agreed, that was really annoying, the last eight years was so much better, progressives never cried about critics of Obama being racist evil homophobes, they were paragons of tolerance.

[JurisDictum]

You Trump supporters should be mad at Bush. Bush fucked the party and country up very bad with his Iraq blunder. The laws can't be put on Bush IMO. But the administrative culture of corporate America was very permissive during his tenure. It was the environment that the crash of 2008 was plotted in.

The economy has never came back from the skull-fucking corporate America delivered it.

[mickmoranis]

Agreed, that was really annoying, the last eight years was so much better, progressives never cried about critics of Obama being racist evil homophobes, they were paragons of tolerance.

there is a difference between saying, "bush is going to crash the housing market" "You are not american!"

and "obama is a muslim"

You are a pro at false equivalence

[Pokesan]

you're a bigot if you opposed obama solely because he's muslim

[Rader]

You Trump supporters should be mad at Bush. Bush fucked the party and country up very bad with his Iraq blunder. The laws can't be put on Bush IMO. But the administrative culture of corporate America was very permissive during his tenure. It was the environment that the crash of 2008 was plotted in.

The economy has never came back from the skull-fucking corporate America delivered it.
If only we had a really smart President after Bush, maybe we could have overcome Bush's mistakes.

[Rader]

you're a bigot if you opposed obama solely because he's muslim

I would totally support anyone who would lower taxes and get the government out of my life, even if they were a Muslim purple lesbo tranny with three dicks.

[entruil]

in other words... NOT in MY back yahd...such bullshit... everyone is clamoring for the government to support there own views it gets lost out that freedom is the only valuable fallacy...

Feels good to work hard as fuck all week only to realize that the government is the only one worthy of claiming your fruit... i wonder how it would be felt if millions of people decided to steal your car instead of your bodily created fruition...

oh wait...

[Ahldagor]

Lol, you morans think Bush started the 2008 meltdown!?!

Know your country's history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000

[AzzarTheGod]

Lmao Ahldagor's planking on their ass

[AenorVZ]

Somebody get Daywolf's avi on a milk carton asap.

[Ahldagor]

Somebody get Daywolf's avi on a milk carton asap.

Fippy mentioned a vacation a few days ago. Said he's gonna fuck a bear or something with Karana.

[Trungep99]

The Washington Post obtains secret audio of House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy saying to Paul Ryan and other Republican leaders in private, "I think Putin pays" Donald Trump.

Hmmm

[Hitmonkey]

The Washington Post obtains secret audio of House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy saying to Paul Ryan and other Republican leaders in private, "I think Putin pays" Donald Trump.

Hmmm

It was a joke duh! Somebody always swears the room to secrecy and somebody else says we never tell anybody cause we're a family..after I make a joke you dummy

[Trungep99]

It was a joke duh! Somebody always swears the room to secrecy and somebody else says we never tell anybody cause we're a family..after I make a joke you dummy

Sounds like a cop out to me

[Hitmonkey]

Sounds like a cop out to me

Ya was joking they (gop) are straight up lying.

[mickmoranis]

I would totally support anyone who would lower taxes and get the government out of my life, even if they were a Muslim purple lesbo tranny with three dicks.

yeah i like it better when a republican is in office, cus they lower corperate tax rates and get rid of regulation!

Those regulations allow banks to charge me overdraft fees and increase the cost of basic internet and huge healthcare bills

now I pay banks TWICE as much as I payed in taxes

I am a smart Libertarian

[Patriam1066]

Could be worse. There's a good chance a judge from the 1980's who unapologetically executed political prisoners will become president of Iran following the election tomorrow

[Ahldagor]

Could be worse. There's a good chance a judge from the 1980's who unapologetically executed political prisoners will become president of Iran following the election tomorrow

Well, at least it's not a 70's game show host that'll win.

[Rader]

yeah i like it better when a republican is in office, cus they lower corperate tax rates and get rid of regulation!

Those regulations allow banks to charge me overdraft fees and increase the cost of basic internet and huge healthcare bills

now I pay banks TWICE as much as I payed in taxes

I am a smart Libertarian

You wouldn't know true liberty if it bit you on the @$$. Libertarians don't sell their freedom or hold out hope for a "smart" politician to enact "good" regulations. They don't vote Republican either.

[mickmoranis]

TIL liberty is free the rich to enslave you in debt.

[mickmoranis]

Boy I sure hope we can put an end to the greedy politicians tyrannical net neutrality :rolleyes:

[AenorVZ]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/19/probe-by-us-special-counsel-is-a-criminal-investigation-blumenthal.html

Former FBI Director Robert Mueller, who was named on Wednesday as a special counsel to lead the probe, is conducting an investigation "of criminal allegations that are extremely serious, including possible obstruction of justice," Blumenthal told reporters after senators met Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/19/probe-by-us-special-counsel-is-a-criminal-investigation-blumenthal.html

Former FBI Director Robert Mueller, who was named on Wednesday as a special counsel to lead the probe, is conducting an investigation "of criminal allegations that are extremely serious, including possible obstruction of justice," Blumenthal told reporters after senators met Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

lmao welcome to law enforcement 101 featuring Robert Mueller. He will get an actual grand jury impaneled unless Jeff Sessions wants to fall on the sword ala Loretta Lynch and block a grand jury from being impaneled (Clinton Foundation/ Email scandal)

The question at this point should be, will Jeff Sessions toe the line ala Eric Holder/Lynch, or will he allow the grand jury to proceed?

[Xaanka]

lmao turns out your comey memo was actually released to NYT by a friend of his without his permission, and the source has not provided a copy of said memo.

so that's your big scoop that's going to lead to trump's impeachment. a news article about a memo the guy didn't write, published by the new york times without confirmation.

lol holy shit you guys look pretty dumb about now.

[Xaanka]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/19/probe-by-us-special-counsel-is-a-criminal-investigation-blumenthal.html

Former FBI Director Robert Mueller, who was named on Wednesday as a special counsel to lead the probe, is conducting an investigation "of criminal allegations that are extremely serious, including possible obstruction of justice," Blumenthal told reporters after senators met Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

lol i can't wait for a bunch of intel community faggots to have to make statements under oath, this certainly isn't going to backfire on the democrats like every other thing in recent memory

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[JurisDictum]

yeah i like it better when a republican is in office, cus they lower corperate tax rates and get rid of regulation!

Those regulations allow banks to charge me overdraft fees and increase the cost of basic internet and huge healthcare bills

now I pay banks TWICE as much as I payed in taxes

I am a smart Libertarian

Healthcare bill have been systematically rising long before anything was changed with healthcare. When Obamacare passed, it actually rose less than projected before the law was in place. I'm not a huge fan of Obamacare, Republicans very rarely have legitimate complaints about the law. Somewhere there's a libertarian plumper convinced Obamacare somehow ruined his life -- Its all emotional BS.

Your listening to and parriotting the conservative half of the Washing D.C. elite. Their studies are funded bullshit think tanks that twist everything to a pro-big business perspective (a common way to do this, talk small business legislate for big business). These guys repeatly proven they have no plans to make healthcare better -- and just want to use Obamacare hate they drummed up for another big tax cut (again, only extremely wealthy and big business usually benefits).

Conservatives have gotten really good at articulating government corruption and how the little guy gets fucked over. However, there's still this massive blind spot when it comes to the power of big business. How big business cucks the vote of small business. How the primary reason politicans are fucked up is because they do the bidding of big business. This generally means they stay out of the way. So the argument to "get government out of our lives" sounds a lot like "just let big business control 100% of it" to me.

[Xaanka]

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lmao talk about an intellectually weak liberal, hiding from reality

[Xaanka]

lol socialist fraudster bernie sanders about to get his wife in trouble for bank fraud because he wont disclose his finances

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/08/report-fbi-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane-sanders-bank-fraud/22075766/

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/17/bernie-sanders-still-hasnt-filed-his-financial-disclosures-rai/22096061/

he's being accused of this by the intel community, so surely in the sake of intellectual integrity we can assume he's 100% guilty going off the logic we're assuming Trump's guilt with (except this one is backed with publicly available evidence)

lock him up!! lol

i wonder why cnn, nbc, washington post have ignored the federal criminal investigation of a presidential hopeful's wife. lol i wonder how many of you cucks weren't even aware he's under investigation by the FBI in the first place.

stay informed~

[Xaanka]

Somewhere there's a libertarian plumper convinced Obamacare somehow ruined his life -- Its all emotional BS.

yo i've actually worked in this industry, it was actually illegal immigration that ruined libertarian plumber's career because he has to compete with unlicensed and uninsured technicians in a field where only large national corporations can afford the attorney fees required to employ illegals. he used to make 90k a year solo or be able to expand to a multi million regional thing, now he makes 30k fixing this kind of shit when stupid homeowners hire untrained plumbing "technicians" from the yellow pages https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b1_1483233942

just lol if you think a plumber can even grow his business large enough to be subjected to obamacare these days.

but if you think obamacare had no negative impact on small business i hate to say it but you're confirmed talking out of your ass and have probably never employed someone let alone paid for their health insurance under obamacare once in your life. like lol dude i'm sure your opinion as a 19 year old everquest playing communist who's never owned a small business in his life is founded in reality and definitely isn't a projection of your ideology and unwillingness to say the brown president did something bad.

[Pokesan]

#1 r/the_donald bullshit curator thx

[JurisDictum]

yo i've actually worked in this industry, it was actually illegal immigration that ruined libertarian plumber's career because he has to compete with unlicensed and uninsured technicians in a field where only large national corporations can afford the attorney fees required to employ illegals. he used to make 90k a year solo or be able to expand to a multi million regional thing, now he makes 30k fixing this kind of shit when stupid homeowners hire untrained plumbing "technicians" from the yellow pages https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b1_1483233942

just lol if you think a plumber can even grow his business large enough to be subjected to obamacare these days.

but if you think obamacare had no negative impact on small business i hate to say it but you're confirmed talking out of your ass and have probably never employed someone let alone paid for their health insurance under obamacare once in your life. like lol dude i'm sure your opinion as a 19 year old everquest playing communist who's never owned a small business in his life is founded in reality and definitely isn't a projection of your ideology and unwillingness to say the brown president did something bad.

Here's the thing: it never actually required small business to cover people. In theory -- these pretty bourgeois pro-capitalist small business useful idiots -- were willing to pay to cover their employee healthcare. Yea it was big talk then when the scary socialist alternative was the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Oh no..the Dems might want an public option! -- THAT'S COMMUNISM!!. It's easy to forget that's how the debate was framed.

But when it came time to pay up, they had the stunning realization that healthcare was fucking expensive and they couldn't afford to give it to their employees. Individual workers can't afford to buy it often -- even with the Obamacare co-ops. It's not fucking working and it's complete due to the reactionary political line of the Republican coalition.

Obama felt like that's the best he could do. I fell like he is a bourgeois cop out who could have pushed a socialist agenda...but he was timid and bought out -- completely corrupted and insincere from the start. But that doesn't make half the shit Republicans say about Obamacare true.

This "Communist on a 19 yr old elf sim", believes small business shouldn't have to pay for fucking health insurance. Because that's not their responsibility. We should give people access to one national non-profit or government ran health insurance. They cover catastrophe and give a set amount toward regular healthcare. They then go to the private market and find Drs, that will do it for the government insurance rate -- or the client can pay a little extra of the DR feels like they can charge more (because of their skill/quality of office etc.). Cut way down on bureaucracy. Get rid of the middle man inflating health insurance costs, America overall would spend way less.

Your fucking team wants to continue with the charade of government-managed private health insurance. Big middlemen, big bureaucracy dealing with all the claims and health codes.They are absolutely committed (like most Democrats) to preserving the blood sucking private insurance elite. They are parasite gentry using their money and influence to get between your Grandma and her medication. It needs to be eliminated and only socialists have the balls to do it.

[mickmoranis]

yo i've actually worked in this industry, it was actually illegal immigration that ruined libertarian plumber's career because he has to compete with unlicensed and uninsured technicians in a field where only large national corporations can afford the attorney fees required to employ illegals.

oh so stricter regulation for plumbers and who they hire. Liberatarianism screws the little guy, again.

[maskedmelonpai]

tbh, we need a new country, one for only smart people with brains that work and stuff, no retards allowed. who wanna build a new nation with me?

[JurisDictum]

tbh, we need a new country, one for only smart people with brains that work and stuff, no retards allowed. who wanna build a new nation with me?

https://www.nationstates.net/

It's a somewhat fun game that play on and off. Takes like 5-10 mins a day.

[Baler]

lmao talk about an intellectually weak liberal, hiding from reality
I'm simply saving my eyes from a pimple on societies ass. That doesn't make me a liberal.
frankly if you cared I like trump. I think it's funny how liberals are melting down and democrats are in shambles atm.

Pity reply

[Trungep99]

lmao turns out your comey memo was actually released to NYT by a friend of his without his permission, and the source has not provided a copy of said memo.

so that's your big scoop that's going to lead to trump's impeachment. a news article about a memo the guy didn't write, published by the new york times without confirmation.

lol holy shit you guys look pretty dumb about now.

And that is why it is being subpoenad. To clarify the validity of the news story

[Trungep99]

pedophile beard husband to hillary's lesbian partner about to take guilty plea https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/19/reports-anthony-weiner-plead-guilty-sexting-minor/101870332/

Boy you're not a biggot by the way you type.

[AzzarTheGod]

lmao welcome to law enforcement 101 featuring Robert Mueller. He will get an actual grand jury impaneled unless Jeff Sessions wants to fall on the sword ala Loretta Lynch and block a grand jury from being impaneled (Clinton Foundation/ Email scandal)

The question at this point should be, will Jeff Sessions toe the line ala Eric Holder/Lynch, or will he allow the grand jury to proceed?

how loyal is sessions?

not as loyal as holder and lynch. you'll see the difference between the two parties. one acts honorably regardless of the circumstance, the other is more like organized grime.

[JurisDictum]

Sessions has a lot of enemies to be making new ones.

[mickmoranis]

https://www.nationstates.net/

It's a somewhat fun game that play on and off. Takes like 5-10 mins a day.

whoah i just took a peek at this but it looks cool

Lol nevermind, this thing is fucking stupid... there is actually a link to life expectancy and legal weed, not the opposite not to metion the increased economic values of increasing employment by creating hundreds of thousands of jobs.... jesus what a low brow website.

http://i.imgur.com/nOVee0p.png

What dunning krugger idiot made this sim I wonder

Also lol at this, limiting corporations ability to control markets, reduce economic freedom??! lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllll

http://i.imgur.com/9PGa1uO.png

I mean this shit is just made up... we do not have compulsorary military service in america and we are beyond the most powerful military force on the earth.... this is insane how wrong it is on basic concepts.

http://i.imgur.com/7VxXSLr.png

WELL I AM PROUD OF MY NEW COUNTRY

http://i.imgur.com/w6O5Y47.png

lmao Whelp. I ended crime. and everyone plays P99

http://i.imgur.com/plvruMg.png

[AzzarTheGod]

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

LMAO additional dunks https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/19/donald-trump-james-comey/101886486/

[AzzarTheGod]

Im going in, im going in

and imma go hard, and imma go hard


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/19/defense-secretary-jim-mattis-president-trump-isis-gen-joseph-dunford-north-korea/101885396/

supplemental dunks:

MAD DOG MATTIS turned loose on ISIS, weapons-free status has been granted, and Washington has been removed from the rules of engagement.

No more phone calls to Washington to ask for permission.

Pentagon chiefs are now in charge of the theater of war in Syria without Washington's approval. No more bureaucracy.

Could be huge for Assad/Russia/Turkey relations with regard to longterm stability and peace in the region.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/19/defense-secretary-jim-mattis-president-trump-isis-gen-joseph-dunford-north-korea/101885396/


Thoughts? Fuck your marijuana nationstate link tbh

[Baler]

Do you sell rocks? If no, Did you use to?
seems like you're one of those 400+ lb guys who use to be a baseball bat wielding rock dealer. Pistol in the drawer but never used it.

[Pokesan]

hit baler with a rock pls

no, literally

[Xaanka]

Russian embassy implicates Democrats in murder of DNC leaker Seth Rich, who was murdered after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks, days after Seth is named the DNC leaker by fox news.
Looks like there's a lot more evidence behind the Seth Rich murder than this Russia conspiracy theory.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-19/russian-embassy-implicates-hillary-tweet-asking-who-killed-seth-rich

oh so stricter regulation for plumbers and who they hire. Liberatarianism screws the little guy, again.

hey nice circular baby logic, but the point is that USA citizens are subjected to significantly stricter legal guidelines such as actually having to pay for liability and death insurance etc.

the problem isn't "we need more regulations" it's "our own citizens can not compete on a level playing field due to government regulations"

Here's the thing: it never actually required small business to cover people.

uh yeah actually the cutoff mark where you're forced to pay employee insurance under obamacare is well within "small business" territory and obamacare directly creates barriers for small businesses expanding, which is why none of them do anymore.

It's not fucking working and it's complete due to the reactionary political line of the Republican coalition.

I hear this excuse a lot, from stupid people. I live in and have owned small businesses in the most liberal state in the country, where Obamacare was completely untouched by the republicans and implemented as it was "meant to be"
It's still broken and you can't blame the republicans for the northwest.

But that doesn't make half the shit Republicans say about Obamacare true.

[citation needed]


This "Communist on a 19 yr old elf sim", believes small business shouldn't have to pay for fucking health insurance. Because that's not their responsibility. We should give people access to one national non-profit or government ran health insurance. They cover catastrophe and give a set amount toward regular healthcare. They then go to the private market and find Drs, that will do it for the government insurance rate -- or the client can pay a little extra of the DR feels like they can charge more (because of their skill/quality of office etc.). Cut way down on bureaucracy. Get rid of the middle man inflating health insurance costs, America overall would spend way less.

cool, you did not describe Obamacare in that paragraph though.

Your fucking team wants to continue with the charade of government-managed private health insurance. Big middlemen, big bureaucracy dealing with all the claims and health codes.They are absolutely committed (like most Democrats) to preserving the blood sucking private insurance elite. They are parasite gentry using their money and influence to get between your Grandma and her medication. It needs to be eliminated and only socialists have the balls to do it.

maybe some people just aren't too keen on putting their health in the hands of the government? i never have once said the republicans have a less shitty answer (nice 2 party counter signal strawman dog) but the previous system of "nothing" was pretty undeniably.. better. especially for families and business owners.

[AenorVZ]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/19/trump-officials-he-looks-more-and-more-like-a-complete-moron?via=twitter_page

Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign.

Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”

[Xaanka]

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

The New York Times reported that Trump told Russian officials that James Comey, the FBI director he abruptly fired last week, is a "nut job," and that dismissing him meant the pressure of the FBI's Russia probe has been "taken off."

LMAO additional dunks https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/19/donald-trump-james-comey/101886486/

lol nice article about an article if you go to the original report it's an unconfirmed report based on unconfirmed notes read to The New York Times over the phone by, and I'm using their own words here, "an American"

still based if true. not sure why new york times would fabricate a pro-trump story but hey here we are.

what a joke the new york times has become. but who expects integrity from the same people who covered up the Jimmy Saville situation back when they were at BBC? top kek.

[Xaanka]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/19/trump-officials-he-looks-more-and-more-like-a-complete-moron?via=twitter_page

Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign.

Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”

lol some nevertrumpers don't like trump thanks for the insightful story from a news "source" that literally employed chelsea clinton during the election cycle.

[JurisDictum]

Russian embassy implicates Democrats in murder of DNC leaker Seth Rich, who was murdered after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks, days after Seth is named the DNC leaker by fox news.
Looks like there's a lot more evidence behind the Seth Rich murder than this Russia conspiracy theory.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-19/russian-embassy-implicates-hillary-tweet-asking-who-killed-seth-rich



hey nice circular baby logic, but the point is that USA citizens are subjected to significantly stricter legal guidelines such as actually having to pay for liability and death insurance etc.

the problem isn't "we need more regulations" it's "our own citizens can not compete on a level playing field due to government regulations"



uh yeah actually the cutoff mark where you're forced to pay employee insurance under obamacare is well within "small business" territory and obamacare directly creates barriers for small businesses expanding, which is why none of them do anymore.



I hear this excuse a lot, from stupid people. I live in and have owned small businesses in the most liberal state in the country, where Obamacare was completely untouched by the republicans and implemented as it was "meant to be"
It's still broken and you can't blame the republicans for the northwest.



[citation needed]




cool, you did not describe Obamacare in that paragraph though.



maybe some people just aren't too keen on putting their health in the hands of the government? i never have once said the republicans have a less shitty answer (nice 2 party counter signal strawman dog) but the previous system of "nothing" was pretty undeniably.. better. especially for families and business owners.

You are in the small ignorant minority if you think "nothing" was better. Yea it's great when people with cancer can't get healthcare. But again, your game. Obama vs capitalism. You probably don't even realize I'm further away from Obama ideologically than most Republicans. I don't believe everything is working great and needs a few tweaks. That's D.C. Democrats. It's not Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and those are the more tame among the rising left.

On one hand you talk about what shitshow private insurance is (Obamacare), and on the other you have deluded idea just getting rid of the subsidies that do exist will magically make insurance affordable.

If you want to get rid of Obamacare -- I wouldn't vote Republican. I don't even see how anyone can keep straight face when pretended Republicans have ideas on healthcare at this point. It's not Democrats that will save Obamacare, its Republicans. It's what they want, regulated for profit insurance that the government subsidies. We are literally handing over billions (probably trillions now or soon) to useless for-profit insurance middlemen.

Again, you seem to think (probably due to your dualistic understanding of reality) that I don't think Republicans can help with healthcare that means I'm an ardent Obamacare supporter. I'm just looking at the best way to go from here -- and Republicans have nothing to do with it. They are completely unhelpful in addressing the problem because of their dogmatic Lockean ideological views.

Edit: look, I get it, government-ran businesses generally suck. But when it comes to stuff like taxes and insurance -- the government works fine at these kinds of tasks. Insurance isn't difficult -- it just takes a lot of capital and risk. It would be worth arguing this point more if there wasn't already plenty of evidence in other countries like Germany (private healthcare, public health insurance).

[Lune]

useless for-profit insurance middlemen.

yea baby cakes that's how it do

Doesn't take a for-profit competitive enterprise to read an actuarial spreadsheet and set the rate

[mickmoranis]

http://i.imgur.com/w6O5Y47.png

[AenorVZ]

Russian embassy implicates Democrats in murder of DNC leaker Seth Rich, who was murdered after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks, days after Seth is named the DNC leaker by fox news.
Looks like there's a lot more evidence behind the Seth Rich murder than this Russia conspiracy theory.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211

[AzzarTheGod]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211

in this case though it looks like CIA hitters put the kabosh in it by telling the family its a national security matter and that they could help by telling the detective to back off the media and inflammatory statements

[Ahldagor]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211

No real discussion happens when one party (Fippy jr.) posts click-bait from AOL.

[StephenD]

Almost every day I realize Hillary didn't win and I get a big smile. I'm so glad she didn't win. I voted against her but am now really liking The Donald!
I really, really didn't want that old bag to win.
I'd vote for a woman for president. Not a problem having a woman president as long as it isn't Hillary or anyone like her. Condi Rice, sure. Sarah Palin, as long as I didn't have to listen to her shrill voice, sure. Someone like Margaret Thatcher, any day.

[Xaanka]

You are in the small ignorant minority if you think "nothing" was better. Yea it's great when people with cancer can't get healthcare. But again, your game. Obama vs capitalism. You probably don't even realize I'm further away from Obama ideologically than most Republicans. I don't believe everything is working great and needs a few tweaks. That's D.C. Democrats. It's not Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and those are the more tame among the rising left.

it actually was objectively cheaper to insure families by a significant margin pre obamacare. this is not even remotely debatable. obamacare has done great things for individuals like myself with high medical bills, lifelong medical conditions, no dependents, and low on paper income. but something your camp doesn't realize is this comes at the cost of extreme rate hikes to the middle class 1.5 child average american family. just admit it, you hate the middle class.

obamacare benefits you if you're
- poor and/or unemployed
- terminally ill
- chronically ill
- homosexual transgender etc
- no kids

and screws everyone else


If you want to get rid of Obamacare -- I wouldn't vote Republican. I don't even see how anyone can keep straight face when pretended Republicans have ideas on healthcare at this point. It's not Democrats that will save Obamacare, its Republicans. It's what they want, regulated for profit insurance that the government subsidies. We are literally handing over billions (probably trillions now or soon) to useless for-profit insurance middlemen.

Again total strawman. I never said Republicans have any answers and in fact quite the opposite. If you want to fix healthcare throw someone like Rand Paul in charge of it not Paul Ryan and Obama and Donald Trump.

The only thing anyone's really hopeful of is for republicans to gut obamacare so that hopefully the dem's can take another swing at it in the future and not fuck up. The democratic party is WAY too attached to muh brown president's legacy to admit that the only thing he accomplished which could remotely be interpreted in a positive light was a failure. tl;dr republicans won't fix the system, but democrats won't either. republicans will at least create a chaotic state of affairs which is more likely to lead to future reform than twiddling our thumbs and pretending Obamacare is working.

Edit: look, I get it, government-ran businesses generally suck. But when it comes to stuff like taxes and insurance -- the government works fine at these kinds of tasks. Insurance isn't difficult -- it just takes a lot of capital and risk.

lol yeah the IRS is doing a great job, said not a single IRS agent i've ever met.

It would be worth arguing this point more if there wasn't already plenty of evidence in other countries like Germany (private healthcare, public health insurance).

see you had me for a second and then you had to say some real dumb shit. germany is the size of like what, washington? and none of these small european countries are also simultaneously responsible for generating enough revenue to fund medical research for the entire world for said european countries to piggyback of, like the USA is. all europe canada etc has to worry about is patient care. there's a much bigger responsibility held by the USA. most medical research performed in these countries and also places like kazakhstan etc is largely subsidized from the USA's capitalistic big pharma industry, directly financially.

we're responsible for developing cures for diseases. even ones which do not affect us -- do you think Africa is making their own malaria cures? all germany has to do is patient care using the research our big pharma industry generates. considering the usa big pharma industry is responsible for almost all medical research on the planet and they're doing a rather good job of it under a capitalistic system (for instance we should have an AIDS cure on the market within the decade) i'd say if anything there's plenty of evidence our system, while broken, is still the most effective on the planet.

lol in before i have to dunk on some tard who posts "but muh cuban doctors" or better yet "but muh martin shkreli"

[Pokesan]

Almost every day I realize Hillary didn't win and I get a big smile. I'm so glad she didn't win. I voted against her but am now really liking The Donald!
I really, really didn't want that old bag to win.
I'd vote for a woman for president. Not a problem having a woman president as long as it isn't Hillary or anyone like her. Condi Rice, sure. Sarah Palin, as long as I didn't have to listen to her shrill voice, sure. Someone like Margaret Thatcher, any day.

we got us a palin voter bois lmao

[Pokesan]

it actually was objectively cheaper to insure families by a significant margin pre obamacare. this is not even remotely debatable. obamacare has done great things for individuals like myself with high medical bills, lifelong medical conditions, no dependents, and low on paper income. but something your camp doesn't realize is this comes at the cost of extreme rate hikes to the middle class 1.5 child average american family. just admit it, you hate the middle class.

obamacare benefits you if you're
- poor and/or unemployed
- terminally ill
- chronically ill
- homosexual transgender etc
- no kids

and screws everyone else




Again total strawman. I never said Republicans have any answers and in fact quite the opposite. If you want to fix healthcare throw someone like Rand Paul in charge of it not Paul Ryan and Obama and Donald Trump.

The only thing anyone's really hopeful of is for republicans to gut obamacare so that hopefully the dem's can take another swing at it in the future and not fuck up. The democratic party is WAY too attached to muh brown president's legacy to admit that the only thing he accomplished which could remotely be interpreted in a positive light was a failure. tl;dr republicans won't fix the system, but democrats won't either. republicans will at least create a chaotic state of affairs which is more likely to lead to future reform than twiddling our thumbs and pretending Obamacare is working.



lol yeah the IRS is doing a great job, said not a single IRS agent i've ever met.



see you had me for a second and then you had to say some real dumb shit. germany is the size of like what, washington? and none of these small european countries are also simultaneously responsible for generating enough revenue to fund medical research for the entire world for said european countries to piggyback of, like the USA is. all europe canada etc has to worry about is patient care. there's a much bigger responsibility held by the USA. most medical research performed in these countries and also places like kazakhstan etc is largely subsidized from the USA's capitalistic big pharma industry, directly financially.

we're responsible for developing cures for diseases. even ones which do not affect us -- do you think Africa is making their own malaria cures? all germany has to do is patient care using the research our big pharma industry generates. considering the usa big pharma industry is responsible for almost all medical research on the planet and they're doing a rather good job of it under a capitalistic system (for instance we should have an AIDS cure on the market within the decade) i'd say if anything there's plenty of evidence our system, while broken, is still the most effective on the planet.

lol in before i have to dunk on some tard who posts "but muh cuban doctors" or better yet "but muh martin shkreli"

a month ago you were flexin "designer shoes" in a 5 star hotel what happened

it's almost like you're completely full of shit

[Xaanka]

in this case though it looks like CIA hitters put the kabosh in it by telling the family its a national security matter and that they could help by telling the detective to back off the media and inflammatory statements

lol didnt the family make a press release yesterday saying this story was fake news and that they want seth rich's death to be investigated (they hired and continue to hire said detective in the first place)

also lol @ the fbi refusing to release his computer to the detective and claiming they've "lost" it, after 44,000 emails between Seth Rich and Wikileaks were revealed.

nope nothing sketchy going on here move along citizen

[Xaanka]

a month ago you were flexin "designer shoes" in a 5 star hotel what happened

it's almost like you're completely full of shit

trap nagas qualify for obamacare

[Pokesan]

low on money but claiming multiple multi-thousand dollar rentals in seattle

yeah ok

[Pokesan]

hey just fyi daywolf left so you ain't gotta pursue his bunghole anymore like you PM'd me about

[nyclin]

confirmed best thread to witness mentally ill p99 forums posters

[nyclin]

500th post, trump will be impeached within 180 days and Pence may go down with him.. all hail God Emperor Paul Ryan

[Patriam1066]

500th post, trump will be impeached within 180 days and Pence may go down with him.. all hail God Emperor Paul Ryan

Good post

[Ahldagor]

What's the difference between Ryan and Pence?

[Xaanka]

low on money but claiming multiple multi-thousand dollar rentals in seattle

yeah ok

irs don't be knowing bout my stacks where i bank
also rich gf and off shore investments

[Xaanka]

http://i.imgur.com/ZDSTMW2.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/ZDSTMW2.jpg

i back down sets, ask about me, do your background checks

[Xaanka]

and ya america sucks at patient care no doubt, at least by the higher standards the best system of the world should be held to.

the real best answer for our healthcare is to remain incredibly capitalistic but also sacrifice just-enough to improve our patient care. for example pre existing conditions shouldn't be a thing, and we could save that money by not spending $16 million extending 98 year old cancer grandma's life to 99. medicaid expansion was good and more states should enjoy the same kinds the west coast has. states should be able to subsidize patient care effectively, and buy policy from out of state. not to get all death panels but voluntary euthanasia for the extremely elderly terminally ill etc would improve patient care for everyone else and we could still continue to operate in a way which is capable of funding the level of medical research the modern world demands.

i mean there's other ways, but the main big money bleeds i see in healthcare are extremely elderly dead-anyways people, morbidly obese, and malpractice cases.

fixing healthcare really also has to go along with a social shift toward improving public health. namely let's unfuck the food supply while we're at it. it really shouldn't be on the medical industry to fix the health effects of being a 4,000 mt dew calorie a day failed fat redditblob when a bit of good ol' fashioned fat shaming could do this country wonders.

hurr i'm ranting.

[AenorVZ]

500th post, trump will be impeached within 180 days and Pence may go down with him.. all hail God Emperor Paul Ryan

Nah Ryan will be somebody's prison bitch too.

https://twitter.com/level39/status/866462490804224000

[AzzarTheGod]

hurr i'm ranting.

Woke

[maskedmelonpai]

and ya america sucks at patient care no doubt, at least by the higher standards the best system of the world should be held to.

the real best answer for our healthcare is to remain incredibly capitalistic but also sacrifice just-enough to improve our patient care. for example pre existing conditions shouldn't be a thing, and we could save that money by not spending $16 million extending 98 year old cancer grandma's life to 99. medicaid expansion was good and more states should enjoy the same kinds the west coast has. states should be able to subsidize patient care effectively, and buy policy from out of state. not to get all death panels but voluntary euthanasia for the extremely elderly terminally ill etc would improve patient care for everyone else and we could still continue to operate in a way which is capable of funding the level of medical research the modern world demands.

i mean there's other ways, but the main big money bleeds i see in healthcare are extremely elderly dead-anyways people, morbidly obese, and malpractice cases.

fixing healthcare really also has to go along with a social shift toward improving public health. namely let's unfuck the food supply while we're at it. it really shouldn't be on the medical industry to fix the health effects of being a 4,000 mt dew calorie a day failed fat redditblob when a bit of good ol' fashioned fat shaming could do this country wonders.

hurr i'm ranting.

this a pretty good post. it echo a lotta my thoughts on healthcare. i honestly not mind paying for healthcare for hardworking people who just not all that smart so long as they contributing to society. in fact I think it a net benefit. But it morally wrong to pay for healthcare for people who not take care or worse, actively destroy theyselfs. liek with diabetes or tobacco related illnesses. no reason anyone should pay for that. it sad, but it downright wrong to fund it propagation.

[Xaanka]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/nyregion/anthony-weiner-guilty-plea-sexting.html

Anthony Weiner Pleads Guilty to Federal Obscenity Charge

http://i.imgur.com/mgBMy2Y.jpg?1

Anthony D. Weiner, the former New York Democratic congressman and candidate for mayor, leaving federal court in Manhattan on Friday. His estranged wife, Huma Abedin, was a top aide to Hillary Clinton. Credit Christopher Lee for The New York Times
Anthony D. Weiner, the former Democratic congressman whose sexting scandals ended his political career and embroiled him in a tumultuous F.B.I. investigation of Hillary Clinton before the election, pleaded guilty to a felony on Friday, crying openly as he admitted to conduct that he knew was “as morally wrong as it was unlawful.”

The plea agreement ended a federal investigation into a series of sexually explicit pictures and messages that Mr. Weiner sent last year to a 15-year-old girl in North Carolina.

It capped the long, tortured downfall of Mr. Weiner, who ruined a once-promising career in Congress and then spoiled various attempts at resurrecting his reputation, all through his uncontrolled habit of using social media and texts to send explicit images to women.

It also cost him his marriage: His estranged wife, Huma Abedin, a top aide to Mrs. Clinton, filed for divorce from Mr. Weiner on Friday in New York, according to two people with knowledge of the action.

“I engaged in obscene communications with this teenager,” Mr. Weiner said, his voice high and shaky, and his body trembling. Those communications “included sharing explicit images and encouraging her to engage in sexually explicit conduct,” just as he had done with adult women, he said.

Mr. Weiner, 52, will have to register as a sex offender where he works and lives, and he may face a prison term. He pleaded guilty to transferring obscene material to a minor, which carries a sentence of up to 10 years in prison.

Federal prosecutors said in the plea agreement that a sentence in the range of 21 to 27 months would be “fair and appropriate.” Mr. Weiner is to be sentenced on Sept. 8 in Federal District Court in Manhattan.

Mr. Weiner was led into the courtroom for the brief hearing wearing a slim navy suit with a white shirt and maroon tie; a wedding band could be seen on his left hand. He sat quietly between his lawyers, exchanging whispers with one, Arlo Devlin-Brown, and an occasional smile.

But Mr. Weiner quickly dissolved into tears as he read from a written statement when the judge, Loretta A. Preska, asked that he describe what he had done.

“I’ve given this some thought,” he told her.

As he paused to brace himself, Mr. Devlin-Brown placed a hand on his lower back to comfort him and a courtroom worker brought over a box of tissues.

Mr. Weiner told Judge Preska that from the time he was in Congress through the first half of last year, “I’ve compulsively sought attention from women who contacted me on social media, and I engaged with many of them in both sexual and nonsexual conversation.”

“These destructive impulses brought great devastation to my family and friends, and destroyed my life’s dream in public service,” he said. “Yet I remained in denial even as the world around me fell apart.”

Reports of the federal investigation surfaced in September after DailyMail.com reported that Mr. Weiner had engaged in an online relationship with the girl, which included explicit messages sent over social media and suggestive texts.

It was during the investigation that the F.B.I. seized Mr. Weiner’s electronic devices, including a laptop on which agents found a trove of emails to Ms. Abedin. That discovery led to the surprise announcement in late October by James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, that the bureau was conducting a new investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s handling of official email, an inquiry that ended two days before the election, with no charges brought. Mrs. Clinton recently attributed her election loss in part to Mr. Comey’s announcement.

After the guilty plea, Joon H. Kim, the acting United States attorney in Manhattan, said, “Weiner’s conduct was not only reprehensible but a federal crime, one for which he is now convicted and will be sentenced.”

Mr. Devlin-Brown said that his client had “accepted full responsibility” for his conduct, and that the resolution was “on terms far less severe than could have been sought.” He said Mr. Weiner would have no further comment and “remains focused on his recovery.”

As Judge Preska informed Mr. Weiner of his rights during the hearing, he stood with his hands together before him, listening intently. When the judge asked if he was pleading guilty because he was guilty, he responded directly, “I am guilty, your honor.”

Mr. Weiner told the court that in January 2016, he was contacted by — and began exchanging online messages with — “a stranger who said that she was a high school student, and who I understood to be 15 years old.”

“I knew this was as morally wrong as it was unlawful,” he added.

Mr. Weiner, choking up and rubbing his forehead, said that last fall he “came to grips for the first time with the depths of my sickness.”

“I — I had hit bottom,” he said. “Through treatment I found the courage to take a moral inventory of my defects.” He said he began a program of recovery and mental health treatment that he was continuing.

“I accept full responsibility for my conduct,” he told Judge Preska. “I have a sickness, but I do not have an excuse.”

Mr. Weiner said he had apologized to those he had hurt, including the teenage girl “whom I mistreated so badly, and I am committed to making amends to all those I have harmed.”

Mr. Weiner was forced to resign from Congress, where he represented parts of Queens and Brooklyn, in June 2011, not long after an explicit picture, sent from his Twitter account, became public. Mr. Weiner initially claimed that his account had been hacked but eventually admitted that he had lied and that he had sent the image and had inappropriate online exchanges with at least six other women.

An effort to resurrect his career progressed in 2013 as he began his candidacy for mayor of New York. But that, too, collapsed after the emergence of additional explicit online messages.

Mr. Weiner’s marriage to Ms. Abedin fell apart after new suggestive text messages surfaced in August, including one with an image of Mr. Weiner’s crotch as he lay next to the couple’s son, who was 4.

After the hearing, Mr. Weiner silently left the courthouse with his lawyers, ignoring a crowd of reporters and photographers as he stepped into a black Nissan and was driven away.

[Xaanka]

in Russia news

Kim Dotcom Offers Congress Evidence to Prove Seth Rich Was WikiLeaks Source

Megaupload founder and friend of Julian Assange has offered to provide Congress with written testimony and proof that murdered Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was WikiLeaks’ source — if they will include his murder in their Russia investigation.

Kim Dotcom has also now claimed that he was involved in the leak — and that he personally knew Rich.

[cont]

http://bigleaguepolitics.com/kim-dotcom-offers-congress-evidence-prove-seth-rich-wikileaks-source/

http://i.imgur.com/T9TL64k.png


lol i called this almost a year ago go find the post

[Xaanka]

Speaking of proven foreign interference in the US election in favor of the democratic party, which lost:
What the Saudi leaks tell us: An interview with Julian Assange
https://newint.org/features/2016/03/01/what-the-saudi-leaks-tell-us/


Democrat Propaganda Group Shareblue Has Ties To Chinese Government, Host Of Foreign Special Interests
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/democrat-propaganda-group-shareblue-has-ties-chinese-government-host-foreign-special

and the now well known campaign contributions, speaking fees, etc taken by DNC presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton, a pretty complete picture can be drawn..

China, Mid east subvert US election using foreign money via DNC, influence over candidate

grassroots candidate beats establishment candidate in primaries

Wikileaks happens because Seth Rich bernie bro gets pissed and dumps 44,000 emails to wikileaks

DNC sloppily murder DNC leaker in an execution style "robbery" where thousands in cash and jewelry are not stolen, nor is anything, nearby his home after suspected leaker acts suspicious.

fbi refuses to cooperate with family, discourages family from hiring PI
fbi refuses to cooperate with PI
fbi refuses to hand computer over to PI and tell congress later that it has been "lost"
BAR MANAGER: COPS NEVER TALKED WITH STAFF ABOUT NIGHT SETH RICH WAS MURDERED
Statement backs claim from private investigator that police told to 'stand down'" (http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/)
MSM falsely claiming family never hired PI

podesta emails directly refer to making an example of a leaker with matching timing

Ties to foreign governments publicly exposed by leaks

"it's illegal to read the emails"

"it's illegal to view the memes"

"they're just emails"

*bury head in sand*

*begins spying on incoming candidate*

*recounts that only increase Trump margin*

MUH RUSSIA PUTIN HACKED THE ELECTION

*emblazons television 24/7 with unproven conspiracy theory*

*uses unproven conspiracy theory as gridlocking tactic against incoming administration in house, senate, cabinet approvals*

*gets caught spying on current president*

*comey memo leak*

*accidentally*

*dems shitting pants and backing off russia story as fox and assange bring seth rich back up in the public mind*

hmm i wonder how this will keep playing out oh also here's a cool little background read on Comey if you don't know much about his career leading up to recent events http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=72788

[JurisDictum]

Denmark has produced proportionately more R&D than the United States since 2008. Denmark has held onto is small but consistent lead since. It seems that there was substantially improvement in R&D investment in response to the finical crisis of 2007-8.

I wrote this awhile ago when I was going over how different political economy systems handled the 2007 crash. It goes with charts from a great source called OECD. I would normally just put the chart in here but I'm not sure how to go about doing that, so here's the data I think is useful to look at:

https://data.oecd.org/chart/4QqQ

Basically when it comes to research -- America has been falling behind. This includes medical research (which companies spend a fraction on compared to advertising).

We spend more money on healthcare....something like 30% of GDP

We get worse outcomes than people that spend less

There no inherent advantage to our system -- insurance and hospitals are just very good at getting half of America to think otherwise.

Xaanka doesn't believe in our system either, and thinks we should adopt real free market healthcare. This would likely drive down costs and may even help quality in some cases. There's just one problem: we're never going to do that.

We would have to be the kind of society that lets people die that could have been saved by modern healthcare. No one serious supports that. That system is unpopular and has never been proposed. The practical impact of supporting rightist ideas of healthcare -- is to support something very similar to Obamacare.

Not that pure market Healthcare would be as affordable as many people think. Any time you need a test there is all kinds of incredibly expensive equipment and medical expertise people need access too. Healthcare is fundamentally unaffordable to a middle class with stagnate wages the last 30-40 years.

Middle and working class people are also sick of the god damn bureaucracy of healthcare. This is completely private sector shit -- but its worse than the steotypical DMV (ours actually run well in Oregon) and at least just as important. Bureaucracy, I hope the right of this country learns quick, is a private sector problem too. Any time there is a seperation between owner and management...which is like every large corporation these days.

[Xaanka]

serious question i don't know the answer to, how is _rare disease_ research in denmark and have any noteworthy advancements been made? we're pretty close to curing aids over here but really there isn't much else.

[JurisDictum]

10 things Danes brag about to prospective students abroad:

https://discoverstudyabroad.org/2014/09/16/top-10-innovations-denmark-is-proud-of/

. Pure Yeast: The year 1887 brought excitement to beer drinkers of Denmark, when Dr. Emil Christian Hansen discovered a method of creating pure yeast, ending the beer disease that plagued the country years before. This method changed everything for the industry, and the new yeast was rightfully named as Saccharmoyces Carlsbergensis.

So their basically responsible for beer as we know it.

Edit: I just want to point out, I don't understand why anyone would think democratic socialist countries wouldn't do well in science or medical research. They tend to do damn well at that sort of stuff. If anything their weakness is software innovation. Although, I think Poland gave Obama a copy of Witcher 2 to show off. But Obama doesn't game, he golfs.

[mickmoranis]

Dear Readers: this is a great docco to get caught up in understanding all teh forum posters you think are mentally unstable. (https://www.netflix.com/title/80169778)

[Lune]

Speaking of building walls

http://i.imgur.com/XdI4eKJ.gif

[mickmoranis]

Speaking of building walls

http://i.imgur.com/XdI4eKJ.gif


has anyone actually grown old with a russian bride before?

[Ahldagor]

Lol, nah, "You're paying me to be a mother not FLOTUS who holds hands with POTUS."

[originalman]

she should really learn to follow my liege's lead & let him decide her image. but at least she's not doing the missy puttin it down w the hottest ground tell y'all mother WHAT y'all can't stop me now

[Ahldagor]

Also, Xaanka the FBI investigation hasn't had any new deveolpments while the congressional inquiry has received of a plea of the fifth from Flynn in response to his subpoena.

Now to compare potential treason and foreign donations into campaigns is asinine, and especially since both parties have said hell yes to the glut of campaign monies due to Citizens United v FEC.

[Jarnauga]

is anyone actually believing that that seth rich story is anything but a counterfire to trump issues with russia..?

[maskedmelonpai]

she should really learn to follow my liege's lead & let him decide her image. but at least she's not doing the missy puttin it down w the hottest ground tell y'all mother WHAT y'all can't stop me now

this actually really good advice. not knowing/understanding this is the reason lotta people not happy. not everyone meant to lead. in fact most aren't. most meant to be used and as a tool it most fulfilling in life when you able to function as you were intended. for lotta people that only possible in someone else's hands. there no shame in being a tool. a tool is as important as the hand that guide it because no matter how deft the hand, without the right tool, many things are simply not possible. of course a tool without a master is of little use and less efficacy. that where most people are, useless and ineffective cause they trying to be a master when they not even able to use themself. individualism is a scourge.

[Ahldagor]

is anyone actually believing that that seth rich story is anything but a counterfire to trump issues with russia..?

It could be that. All of it could be false or true aswell. Find out in the future.

[AzzarTheGod]

has anyone actually grown old with a russian bride before?

its inappropriate to hold hands in that setting. what are they at a fucking picnic?

The Don was trying to father her, she maintained the proper etiquette and declined. ITT nerds cant understand optics. It would be very awkward to hold hands there.

Shame on the Fat King for stepping out of line like a bumbling fucking fool

[AzzarTheGod]

Speaking of building walls

http://i.imgur.com/XdI4eKJ.gif

The Fat King is wrong on this one. Its bad optics to hold hands there. She is a strong independent woman. The Queen doesn't hold hands in Britain either.

Show me Hillary holding hands with Bill during meetings of heads of state? It doesn't look like a picnic to me sorry, looks like an extremely formal setting.

Her gesture was "inappropriate, sorry fat king" more so than "we got beef".

[originalman]

The Fat King is wrong on this one. Its bad optics to hold hands there. She is a strong independent woman. The Queen doesn't hold hands in Britain either.

Show me Hillary holding hands with Bill during meetings of heads of state? It doesn't look like a picnic to me sorry, looks like an extremely formal setting.

Her gesture was "inappropriate, sorry fat king" more so than "we got beef".

100% accurate. if ur interpretation of the gif is anything other your gay.

still they would have been better off if she yielded and discussed at a later date rather than defying him publicly. not good wifing. holding his hand once would not have memed like this could.

[AzzarTheGod]

yeah she shouldnt have done that. she could have taken his hand and then glanced and tilted her head down at it very briefly as she continued walking to send a subtle non-verbal that she is surprised by it.

Angela Merkel does that all the time. She will go along with inappropriate stuff as not to rebuff and create an even BIGGER optics problem, but send little non-verbals that only real people can see

O-Giginal is right there was a bigger optics problem created by Melania trying to maintain a certain optic.

[AzzarTheGod]

she has created a huge question mark and cloud over nothing that now has to be ignored by her while media rumors flare. because what melania did in her reaction, there is no way to clear something like that up.


still give Princess Leia props for slapping Jabba

[originalman]

Don would be better off with a Melonia than a Melania. being smart and driven doesnt mean being a willful lil hoe. but that's what u get w a bio female lool #str8cucks

[AzzarTheGod]

lmao thats real. get a genuine genetic girl ur cucking yourself politically

[Xaanka]

Dear Readers: this is a great docco to get caught up in understanding all teh forum posters you think are mentally unstable. (https://www.netflix.com/title/80169778)

lol that the nu-left seems to think McVeigh was religiously motivated, but something tells me you're not down to defend the merit of your claim

is anyone actually believing that that seth rich story is anything but a counterfire to trump issues with russia..?


The Seth Rich story has been around longer than the Russia conspiracy theory, so nobody except goobers like you who will counter-signal anything and share reddit reposts before doing basic research believes that sorry. Look back in post history and unless it's one of the posts that got swept up in one of my bans (they typically delete the past X day's of posts) I called it on this forum almost a year ago.

[AzzarTheGod]

lol that the nu-left seems to think McVeigh was religiously motivated, but something tells me you're not down to defend the merit of your claim

they did a huge hit job on McVeigh. (by they i mean CIA)

most people think it was just a crazed madman tbh, they know absolutely nothing about him because the media was probably banned from reporting on his actual motive.

you had to do your own digging to learn it was essentially Waco and Ruby Ridge retaliation for what Janet Reno had done with her mass murder of firing incendiary military grade artillery explosive rounds in a residential home-dwelling on private property.

[Xaanka]

that's what really separates an intelligent person like me from someone like Jarnaugua. He has the narrative written in his mind before, if he even bothers to, address the facts and reality behind his narrative. An intelligent person bases their view off the facts presented to them, adapting to knowledge available.

[Xaanka]

they did a huge hit job on McVeigh. (by they i mean CIA)

most people think it was just a crazed madman tbh, they know absolutely nothing about him because the media was probably banned from reporting on his actual motive.

you had to do your own digging to learn it was essentially Waco and Ruby Ridge retaliation for what Janet Reno had done with her mass murder of firing incendiary military grade artillery explosive rounds in a residential home-dwelling on private property.

yeah lol the guy was very vocally agnostic, later atheistic, and wrote heavily of his motivations before trial and in prison. specifying it had nothing to do with religion whatsoever. a real good narrative to separate the buys-anything-the-media-says-sheep from those who can do basic independent research. props for knowing.

BUT HIS PARENTS TOOK HIM TO CHURCH AS A KID! SEE CHRISTIANS CAN COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM TOO, MULTIPLE DECADES AGO! ITS TOTALLY NOT A >500:1 RATIO OF INCIDENTS OF ISLAMIC TO CHRISTIAN TERRORISM IN THE USA AND PLEASE DON'T CITE THOSE EVIL POPULATION STATISTICS SHOWING THAT BEING A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST IN THE USA SUCCEEDING IN A PLOT THAT TAKES AT LEAST 1 LIFE (INCLUDING YOUR OWN) IS STATISTICALLY EXACTLY 1 IN 246,660,710

trigger warnings: facts, statistical analysis

[Xaanka]

I could tl;dr the last few posts and just say again

just admit you hate white people Jarnauga

[Ahldagor]

Why even investigate McVeigh? 20 years ago he basically said it was a revenge move, and doesn't detract from the fact that Timmy was an asshole.

[AzzarTheGod]

Why even investigate McVeigh? 20 years ago he basically said it was a revenge move, and doesn't detract from the fact that Timmy was an asshole.

uhhh it was a huge unprecedented incident and people wanted real answers...

think its still the most elaborate attack on US soil of all time outside of 911. why suck international dick for 911 and not investigate what happened in the 90's?

[Ahldagor]

uhhh it was a huge unprecedented incident and people wanted real answers...

think its still the most elaborate attack on US soil of all time outside of 911. why suck international dick for 911 and not investigate what happened in the 90's?

Yeah, why make a movie now tho'. Only things to be concluded already have been unless you have a very thinly stretched logic line that's more asinine than anything. I've not seen the movie, clearly, and am only speculating on form and timing factors of present day.

[AzzarTheGod]

Yeah, why make a movie now tho'. Only things to be concluded already have been unless you have a very thinly stretched logic line that's more asinine than anything. I've not seen the movie, clearly, and am only speculating on form and timing factors of present day.

didnt know ur comment was in context of the movie. i agree i have no interest in a propaganda flick.

Is that guy who made the Boston bombers movie doing it? The one that blamed Iran for everything and conveniently changed plot details to suit CIA propaganda standards

[Xaanka]

yeah same i thought frenchman was just trying to call me crazy or something

edit: lmao infowars has received whitehouse press credentials

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/866725092591579136

[originalman]

if i get to see alex jones or pjw asking questions in the fellatio room i may actually cry with joy

[AzzarTheGod]

fuck yes. this could turn it around for my current anti-trump kick.

heres hoping the nose king keeps up the good work

[mickmoranis]

lol that the nu-left seems to think McVeigh was religiously motivated, but something tells me you're not down to defend the merit of your claim

at no point in the linked docco does it suggest mcveigh was religiously motivated.

[Jarnauga]

Damn i just triggered xanky'

So apparently a guy that died almost a year ago with a done investigation JUST REAPPEARED OUT OF THE BLUE when trump pic appears on google when you type "impeachment" ?

Do you know what seth rich was doing at the DNC ? he was working at voter expansion, basically helping people finding their polling place. But somehow the whole alt-nazi-right think he was some kind of top tier DNC staff who had access to any kind of sensitive information, lulz. Let's add that seth rich was on the phone with his girlfriend just before being killed and didn't mention anything beside "going home", and was actually still alive when the police arrived at the crime scene, but didn't say anything to the officers there. Also the mails were leaked about 2 weeks after seth rich's death, but who cares about logic at this point, amirite.

But remember guys, don't talk about trump's impeachment, HILLARY HAS A PEDOPHILE RING IN THE BASEMENT OF A PIZZA SHOP with no basement AND OBAMA WAS A MUSLIM BORN IN KENYA AND MICHELE OBAMA IS ACTUALLY A MAN AND GLOBAL WARMING IS A CHINESE HOAX TO HURT USA AND SANDY HOOK IS CONSPIRACY WITH FAKE DEAD BODIES TO TAKE OUR GUNS AND THE EARTH IS FLAT.

https://webmshare.com/play/1MMJV

[mickmoranis]

Yeah, why make a movie now tho'. Only things to be concluded already have been unless you have a very thinly stretched logic line that's more asinine than anything. I've not seen the movie, clearly, and am only speculating on form and timing factors of present day.

its actually really fantastic, the movie that is.

It links a bunch of shit liberals IN THIS THREAD have complained about and answers a lot of questions you democrats have about what drove the take over of that bird trail in oregon last year for example.

Its all about the zog, spoken about here all the time, and talks about the motivation of the people liberals think are crazy.

if you want to learn a thing or to about DAYWOLF for example, give it a watch, it explains a lot.

it shows the connections between the aryan nation and the little guy, who simply wants to get away from the goverment and live in the mountains, to religious cults and their right to practice their choice of religion without the state burning down their homes and killing their families for not registering their vehicles or complying with FBI investigations.

[AzzarTheGod]

Terror drill in Manchester.

Attack done outside of surveillance and outside of harms way.

Anyone in doubt can ask me questions about it

[Pokesan]

yeah same i thought frenchman was just trying to call me crazy or something

edit: lmao infowars has received whitehouse press credentials

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/866725092591579136

some mentally ill soldiers said its just temporary 1 day pass not the real dang doozle

[mickmoranis]

is it inappropriate to wonder if the bang in Manchester was a fan that never got a response to her letters?

[mickmoranis]

fbi image of Manchester suspect

http://i.imgur.com/YJEQYZl.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

yeah lol the guy was very vocally agnostic, later atheistic, and wrote heavily of his motivations before trial and in prison. specifying it had nothing to do with religion whatsoever. a real good narrative to separate the buys-anything-the-media-says-sheep from those who can do basic independent research. props for knowing.

BUT HIS PARENTS TOOK HIM TO CHURCH AS A KID! SEE CHRISTIANS CAN COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM TOO, MULTIPLE DECADES AGO! ITS TOTALLY NOT A >500:1 RATIO OF INCIDENTS OF ISLAMIC TO CHRISTIAN TERRORISM IN THE USA AND PLEASE DON'T CITE THOSE EVIL POPULATION STATISTICS SHOWING THAT BEING A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST IN THE USA SUCCEEDING IN A PLOT THAT TAKES AT LEAST 1 LIFE (INCLUDING YOUR OWN) IS STATISTICALLY EXACTLY 1 IN 246,660,710

trigger warnings: facts, statistical analysis

Timbo himself said he had considered going after specific targets rather than a mass casualty incident. He said he had no idea about children being in that building.

[mickmoranis]

Sounds like manchester was ISIS

what a weird thing to chose to attack, but i guess it makes sense

westerners have been killing kids and families in the middle east for decades, why not blow up a bunch of theirs?

On a seperate note I find it interesting that we create problems, that become unsolvable without doubling down on the thing that created problems in the first place: military involvement

Ok, maybe it wasnt the military, thats what the left needs to realize

It was imperalists that USE the mililtary, legally, in your FREE country that is run by "elections"... you have Obama, sound bite after sound bite, celebrating the success stories of countries that atempted to free themselves of a dictatorship, only to be left in ruin, he said it about bengazi, about syria, about turkey.. you name it, obama celebrates the civil war.

Then, walks around saying in campaign speeches "war is bad, war is wrong, close guantanimo!" but never did any of that.

Then your kids get blown up

and you say, "dont blame muslims" dont blame obama, dont blame anyone, but lets be upset about trump over russia... lets be upset at this alt right 'nazi' at the gym

lets go to berkeley to protest ann coultare

Jesus christ what a bunch of idiots humans are, just running around trying to figure shit out like ants wearing clothes.

Sad.

[originalman]

anonymous did it that dastardly gang

[JurisDictum]

Sounds like manchester was ISIS

what a weird thing to chose to attack, but i guess it makes sense

westerners have been killing kids and families in the middle east for decades, why not blow up a bunch of theirs?

On a seperate note I find it interesting that we create problems, that become unsolvable without doubling down on the thing that created problems in the first place: military involvement

Ok, maybe it wasnt the military, thats what the left needs to realize

It was imperalists that USE the mililtary, legally, in your FREE country that is run by "elections"... you have Obama, sound bite after sound bite, celebrating the success stories of countries that atempted to free themselves of a dictatorship, only to be left in ruin, he said it about bengazi, about syria, about turkey.. you name it, obama celebrates the civil war.

Then, walks around saying in campaign speeches "war is bad, war is wrong, close guantanimo!" but never did any of that.

Then your kids get blown up

and you say, "dont blame muslims" dont blame obama, dont blame anyone, but lets be upset about trump over russia... lets be upset at this alt right 'nazi' at the gym

lets go to berkeley to protest ann coultare

Jesus christ what a bunch of idiots humans are, just running around trying to figure shit out like ants wearing clothes.

Sad.

This is all just a spinning rock populated by intelligent apes in a universe that has no inherent meaning. I like to remind myself this. It helps keep humans in perspective.

[AzzarTheGod]

anonymous did it that dastardly gang

yea whoooo lets wait till her set wraps up (all polite, wouldn't want to crash the party) to "detonate" the fake firecracker noisemaker device in the area to cause the least casualties outside of the arena (because not bombing the actual crowd in the arena makes perfect sense right, fucking idiots) and outside of the main exit paths in what is essentially a closet corridor in the hallway towards the back exit where no surveillance camera exists and no meaningful casualty is possible.

BBC already crashed their own story on day 1 with all the crisis actor witness statements ready to roll.

nice security exercise. Where are the body bags? Where is the bodies? "Whoo yea they are in hospital someone told me on the phone".

Thats right s;gga you stay on the phone like a bitch instead of getting in the streets and asking questions for yourself.

wake up. Again ask where is the blood, where is the bodies, where are the bags, where is the emergency services. Keep asking kids maybe you'll figure it out some day

[Lune]

Sounds like manchester was ISIS

what a weird thing to chose to attack, but i guess it makes sense

westerners have been killing kids and families in the middle east for decades, why not blow up a bunch of theirs?

On a seperate note I find it interesting that we create problems, that become unsolvable without doubling down on the thing that created problems in the first place: military involvement

Ok, maybe it wasnt the military, thats what the left needs to realize

It was imperalists that USE the mililtary, legally, in your FREE country that is run by "elections"... you have Obama, sound bite after sound bite, celebrating the success stories of countries that atempted to free themselves of a dictatorship, only to be left in ruin, he said it about bengazi, about syria, about turkey.. you name it, obama celebrates the civil war.

Then, walks around saying in campaign speeches "war is bad, war is wrong, close guantanimo!" but never did any of that.

Then your kids get blown up

and you say, "dont blame muslims" dont blame obama, dont blame anyone, but lets be upset about trump over russia... lets be upset at this alt right 'nazi' at the gym

lets go to berkeley to protest ann coultare

Jesus christ what a bunch of idiots humans are, just running around trying to figure shit out like ants wearing clothes.

Sad.

You really want to go down that road, where having a score to settle justifies the massacre of women and children?

The only reason these primitive shitholes exist and weren't exterminated to make room for whites is precisely because, as a society, the West does follow that line of reasoning, not since World War II went the way it did. We tolerate terrorism and insurgency out of patience and civility, and because the West is better than them, morally.

We've done things to destabilize their societies and exploit them economically, sure, but at no time in the last ~50 years did we purposefully massacre women and children. The fact is, people have been fucking each other over forever, and the only way it ever gets better is when you get your shit together and defend yourself, not with terrorism, but by improving your society, so you are not such an easy target.

Terrorism is ultimately self-defeating and self-limiting. Long term, all it's going to do is radicalize the West and lead to xenophobic nationalism in Europe.

[AzzarTheGod]

Yeah terrorism kid.

Did not bomb arena. Check,
Did not bomb during the party itself. Check.

No bodies. Check.
No blood on scene. Check
No body bags. Check

Dont terrorists want to crash the party? dont they want maximum casualty? Dont they want some real terror? Why was "it" detonated in a corridor of the back area where nobody has any reason to be?

keep worshiping the Idol of Terror, ill keep relying on in the field journalism who actually leave their desks and attempt to access the scene while you play chineese whispers like a bitch on the telephone with 1 source of official information being given to the broadcaster.

some of you should know better.

[Lune]

Yeah terrorism kid.

Did not bomb arena. Check,
Did not bomb during the party itself. Check.

Dont terrorists want to crash the party? dont they want maximum casualty? Dont they want some real terror? Why was "it" detonated in a corridor of the back area where nobody has any reason to be?

keep worshiping the Idol of Terror, ill keep relying on in the field journalism who actually leave their desks and attempt to access the scene while you play chineese whispers like a bitch on the telephone with 1 source of official information being given to the broadcaster.

What are you on about?

They detonated it outside the venue so they didn't have to go through security, they detonated it after the show because everyone was crowded leaving the exists and security screening was decreased, and they picked that particular exit because it was nearest to public transportation and therefore among the most crowded.

[AzzarTheGod]

What are you on about?

They detonated it outside the venue so they didn't have to go through security, they detonated it after the show because everyone was crowded leaving the exists, and they picked that particular exit because it was nearest to public transportation and therefore among the most crowded.

I have photographs of Nice, France. What I'm on about is this is disrespectful.

Can you get me anything on Manchester? Let me know I'll give you a few days. I was on BBC satellite for this attack live, what were you plugged into? DOTA?

[Lune]

I have photographs of Nice, France. What I'm on about is this is disrespectful.

Can you get me anything on Manchester? Let me know I'll give you a few days. I was on BBC satellite for this attack live, what were you plugged into? DOTA?

So because you didn't personally see nasty pictures of the attack this time (I did), it's a false flag?

[AzzarTheGod]

So because you didn't personally see nasty pictures of the attack this time (I did), it's a false flag?

I stopped investigating when I couldn't get any real shred of proof that this attack unfolded with the casualties as stated. 19 doesn't jive, and the timeline indicates they died almost instantly, with 3 additional casualties at hospital.

If you have legitimate 3rd party photographic evidence its usually a good indicator that it was not a drill. I haven't seen any. If you are saying it exists, I'll take a second look. But that alone isn't a seller for me. In Nice, I have several 3rd party videos recorded of the street itself from live witnesses. For Manchester, it would appear we aren't going to get any photos of the immediate aftermath. I assume the photos you are talking about is people outside sitting on benches with a busted arm or leg. That doesn't meet my standard.

Similar to the Newtown scene, I didn't see any emergency triage equipment being taken out of vehicles in the street. If you are familiar with triage you know they use color coded blankets they use for mass casualty incidents. 19 qualifies as mass casualty. They would not immediately be able to transport all 19 of them, and so they would begin triage procedures.

But they had it locked down like Fort Knox with 1,000 vehicles preventing any kind of independent media from getting close. That doesn't work for me either. If you are saying you have photos of the corridor (not some fakers outside or some security contractors sitting on benches saying "my leg my leg") I'll take a second look around.

However I am more than skeptical for more reasons than I care to even write out. Triage, crime scene access with 3rd party photos, and prepared witness statements are my big 3 right now.

[Lune]

I stopped investigating when I couldn't get any real shred of proof that this attack unfolded with the casualties as stated. 19 doesn't jive, and the timeline indicates they died almost instantly.

If you have legitimate 3rd party photographic evidence its usually a good indicator that it was not a drill. I haven't seen any.

Similar to the Newtown scene, I didn't see any emergency triage equipment being taken out of vehicles in the street. If you are familiar with triage you know they use color coded blankets they use for mass casualty incidents. 19 qualifies as mass casualty. They would not immediately be able to transport all 19 of them, and so they would begin triage procedures.

But they had it locked down like Fort Knox with 1,000 vehicles preventing any kind of independent media from getting close. That doesn't work for me either. If you are saying you have photos of the corridor (not some fakers outside or some security contractors sitting on benches saying "my leg my leg") I'll take a second look around.

However I am more than skeptical for more reasons than I care to even write out. Triage, crime scene access with 3rd party photos, and prepared witness statements are my big 3 right now.

*edit* nm wrong girl, but i'm done googling this sick shit for you

[AzzarTheGod]

I'll do it when I have more mental fortitude. I'm tapped.

And I'm not an idiot. I realize well prepared witness statements for broadcast purposes, and even hiring narrators, and crisis actors I suppose as they call them, do not mean that this is a drill or that real people did not get hurt, nor am I denying that there was an explosion of some serious consequence. If you were listening to the BBC they had just about every witness ready to roll with a perfectly worded primetime statement. Some statements had to be 2 paragraphs long. It all felt a little contrived. It smelled. How do you get so many primetime ready to roll statements within 1 hour of the attack?

I just believe after independent investigation these things never unfold exactly as they say with respect to the casualties.

It usually takes me a couple of years of offhand casual investigation to make a final decision on whether something was the real McCoy. I never take these things at face value, and I am not sure anyone should.

What benefits do you get out of that?

[Pokesan]

when everythings a false flag nothing is

[Xaanka]

Trigger warning: Replying to a really fucking stupid post

Damn i just triggered xanky'

So apparently a guy that died almost a year ago with a done investigation JUST REAPPEARED OUT OF THE BLUE when trump pic appears on google when you type "impeachment" ?

It would help to do the most basic of research before replying, in which you would realize:
- The investigation into Seth Rich's murder is ongoing
- There are many inconsistencies which indicate foul play. the official investigation claims the motive was robbery, when no attempt was made to rob him.
- his murder was days after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks.

Do you know what seth rich was doing at the DNC ? he was working at voter expansion, basically helping people finding their polling place. But somehow the whole alt-nazi-right think he was some kind of top tier DNC staff who had access to any kind of sensitive information, lulz.

Again, more proof you are retarded. Google "Chelsea Manning" if you need an explanation as to how stupid you are.

Let's add that seth rich was on the phone with his girlfriend just before being killed and didn't mention anything beside "going home", and was actually still alive when the police arrived at the crime scene, but didn't say anything to the officers there.

Except his girlfriend and entire family and every person he was associated with running up to his death mentioned his paranoid behavior. What, just because the guy didn't say "I was the leaker" to leaks which hadn't happened yet in his dying breath, means he wasn't the leaker?

Also the mails were leaked about 2 weeks after seth rich's death, but who cares about logic at this point, amirite.

You think submissions to wikileaks get instantly released? hmmmmm?


literally one of the stupidest human beings on the planet, no wonder you're French.

[Xaanka]

yea whoooo lets wait till her set wraps up (all polite, wouldn't want to crash the party) to "detonate" the fake firecracker noisemaker device in the area to cause the least casualties outside of the arena (because not bombing the actual crowd in the arena makes perfect sense right, fucking idiots) and outside of the main exit paths in what is essentially a closet corridor in the hallway towards the back exit where no surveillance camera exists and no meaningful casualty is possible.

BBC already crashed their own story on day 1 with all the crisis actor witness statements ready to roll.

nice security exercise. Where are the body bags? Where is the bodies? "Whoo yea they are in hospital someone told me on the phone".

Thats right s;gga you stay on the phone like a bitch instead of getting in the streets and asking questions for yourself.

wake up. Again ask where is the blood, where is the bodies, where are the bags, where is the emergency services. Keep asking kids maybe you'll figure it out some day

yo dude i know you're trolling because this event looks really bad for your narrative, but what's your opinion on sandy hook then?

[originalman]

i know a nocturnal tranny in the manchester area who witnessed a number of men in black entering a L3 cable drop facility nearby while this incident supposedly went down.

[AzzarTheGod]

yo dude i know you're trolling because this event looks really bad for your narrative, but what's your opinion on sandy hook then?

I got caught by lune, truth be told i know very little about Manchester outside of what the BBC rapidly uploaded to me with seemingly inhuman preparedness. They had no lie, at least 30 statements and narrators narrating 2-3 paragraphs a piece from witness, back to back within 1 hour. But aside from listening to that I haven't actually looked into Manchester all that much.

Sandy Hook was one of the few smoking gun frauds where there were actually no casualties, and the so-called patsy was entirely fabricated. The Death certificate of the shooter had an incorrect date of death, expiring days before the shooting. So many mistakes. It became the gold standard we use to examine all mass casualty incidents.

The aftermath of Sandy Hook with regards to media consequences (i.e. Youtube) was amazing to behold.

They had this guy named Larry P. Osner register a copyright on Sandy Hook and remove videos and documentaries for years. Turns out he is now named Lenny Posner, but when applying for copyright he was listed as Len P. Osner initially on official documents.

If you are familiar with operative aliases, you know exactly what Len P. Osner becoming Lenny Posner means. Its an alias. What parent would start a massive lawsuit against anyone who denies or posts about Sandy Hook online? He is suing so many people. Its amazing to behold. A complete trainwreck.

He just had a 1 hour segment on the BBC's propaganda arm recently a few weeks back. Should check it out if you want to hear someone completely full of shit and discussing all the bizarre weird things he is doing to people in court.

[Xaanka]

i think today's as good as any to shout out my girl sarah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLRuAnUNvTY

[Xaanka]

I got caught by lune, truth be told i know very little about Manchester outside of what the BBC rapidly uploaded to me with seemingly inhuman preparedness. They had no lie, at least 30 statements and narrators narrating 2-3 paragraphs a piece from witness, back to back within 1 hour. But aside from listening to that I haven't actually looked into Manchester all that much.

Sandy Hook was one of the few smoking gun frauds where there were actually no casualties, and the so-called patsy was entirely fabricated. The Death certificate of the shooter had an incorrect date of death, expiring days before the shooting. So many mistakes. It became the gold standard we use to examine all mass casualty incidents.

The aftermath of Sandy Hook with regards to media consequences (i.e. Youtube) was amazing to behold.

They had this guy named Larry P. Osner register a copyright on Sandy Hook and remove videos and documentaries for years. Turns out he is now named Lenny Posner, but when applying for copyright he was listed as Len P. Osner initially on official documents.

If you are familiar with operative aliases, you know exactly what Len P. Osner becoming Lenny Posner means. Its an alias. What parent would start a massive lawsuit against anyone who denies or posts about Sandy Hook online? He is suing so many people. Its amazing to behold. A complete trainwreck.

He just had a 1 hour segment on the BBC's propaganda arm recently a few weeks back. Should check it out if you want to hear someone completely full of shit and discussing all the bizarre weird things he is doing to people in court.

o ok just checking if you were consistent. i haven't really dug too deep into this new story yet. sandy hook was a false flag you're totally right. i can't believe how many morons gobbled that one right up.

[AzzarTheGod]

o ok just checking if you were consistent. i haven't really dug too deep into this new story yet. sandy hook was a false flag you're totally right. i can't believe how many morons gobbled that one right up.

Any mass shooting in the US has been suspicious since Sandy Hook kind of blew the lid off the whole thing. The indy media called before the gag order, and got a Lt. on the phone. He asked which hazmat contractor cleaned up the blood and bio matter at the school, and the Lt. actually said "what blood".

Sandy Hook is that one incident that we can definitely point to and say "no" with a little bit of confidence. It had, I believe, 32 or 33 Ph.D doctorates create a documentary called "We Need To Talk About Newtown" (you can try to find it, its probably safe on Dailymotion unless lenny posner got it there too. its a Research Fellow project, its not conspiracy bullshit, its academic) which basically breaks down the entire socio-political situation and the problems with Newtown's reporting inaccuracies.

These are educated men and women who looked into this. It was a huge deal. Its not like Holocaust denying or something like that. This was the one mass shooting that had a complete academic exercise take place, with over 30 Research Fellows working on it to examine the details. No other shooting has academically been called into question such as Newtown for a reason.

Pulse is another one that is shaping up, what with the lack of victims, all illegal immigrants that cannot be located on the death list (cringe, not even 1 white well-known family on it), and the fake funerals that Sandy investigators gained access to which they described as incredibly suspicious and heavily guarded by armed police (one of the investigators in Florida said the funeral had assault rifles at it standing guard on the perimeter of the grounds). And they were only able to locate 2 actual funeral sites out of all of those victims names. BUT its not quite Sandy status so we can't say "no" just yet, and honestly we probably won't see another Sandy fuckup ever again.

[Pokesan]

wouldn't it just cause more problems to whack a leaker after the fact? is there anything in the meme about preventing the release by killing him?

#sethrich and #pizzagate are shit pol made up to entertain their drones. the emails didn't contain much other than hillary being a corporatist shithead, which we already knew.

[AzzarTheGod]

Trigger warning: Replying to a really fucking stupid post



It would help to do the most basic of research before replying, in which you would realize:
- The investigation into Seth Rich's murder is ongoing
- There are many inconsistencies which indicate foul play. the official investigation claims the motive was robbery, when no attempt was made to rob him.
- his murder was days after exchanging 44,000 emails with wikileaks.



Again, more proof you are retarded. Google "Chelsea Manning" if you need an explanation as to how stupid you are.



Except his girlfriend and entire family and every person he was associated with running up to his death mentioned his paranoid behavior. What, just because the guy didn't say "I was the leaker" to leaks which hadn't happened yet in his dying breath, means he wasn't the leaker?



You think submissions to wikileaks get instantly released? hmmmmm?


literally one of the stupidest human beings on the planet, no wonder you're French.

woke. who takes 5 shots to the back without having their wallet or phone taken?

yea im going to murder someone for a robbery but not get anything out of it besides commit 1st degree murder and dump a RIDICULOUS amount of shots into the person. 1-2 shots or even 3 I could see, 5 is extremely cruelty in most states and that is murder in the 1st degree and PLANNED. It was not a robbery or a 2nd degree murder case. good 1 tho like sandy hook.

[originalman]

wouldn't it just cause more problems to whack a leaker after the fact? is there anything in the meme about preventing the release by killing him?

#sethrich and #pizzagate are shit pol made up to entertain their drones. the emails didn't contain much other than hillary being a corporatist shithead, which we already knew.

#sethrich is a false flag to distract from the consequences of DC demographics

[AzzarTheGod]

#sethrich is a false flag to distract from the consequences of DC demographics

d-d-double woke

[Pokesan]

chuckled, subtlety is the best form of areola giganticus

[Xaanka]

u see that kid that was used in sandy hook footage who showed up in tv commercials and print advertisements in newspapers months later?

[Xaanka]

wouldn't it just cause more problems to whack a leaker after the fact? is there anything in the meme about preventing the release by killing him?

considering his murder was so obviously a botched-covered-up political assassination, i'd say the DNC didn't put their best and brightest on the job

[AzzarTheGod]

u see that kid that was used in sandy hook footage who showed up in tv commercials and print advertisements in newspapers months later?

For sure, its the one shooting where you can just close your eyes and throw darts at a dart board of inaccuracies and weird bizarre occurrences. The whole circus is just bizarre with the weird funerals, weird public memorials with weird behavior (actors/operators) behaving strangely like no human being or parent who lost their children would ever behave. Why would all the parents run out to the public if they lost a child? lol, that isn't real life. Then the Superbowl propaganda memorial for Newtown where they had the same crisis actors stand on the stage together. Again, strange behavior strange media production.

With Newtown the dart always hits something.

How about the guy that was seen by news helicopter suspiciously running through the woods with black pants on away from the school as fast as possible during the incident, as reported by multiple new outlets? It took a year to get them to admit it was an "off duty police officer" whatever that means. Cringe. If they just said it immediately it would be less suspicious. Instead it took years to get a comment on an obvious "suspect" to the so-called "shooting" that the media recorded with their own helicopter.

[Pokesan]

considering his murder was so obviously a botched-covered-up political assassination, i'd say the DNC didn't put their best and brightest on the job

okay incompetence is possible yes. but i've seen the podesta "make an example" email used as evidence of the hit. i don't believe anyone at that level would lack the resources and contacts to carry it out cleanly.

[Xaanka]

okay incompetence is possible yes. but i've seen the podesta "make an example" email used as evidence of the hit. i don't believe anyone at that level would lack the resources and contacts to carry it out cleanly.

well yeah they have a pretty solid record of getting away with political assassinations i agree, i think too many eyes were on this one. if you look at individual cases there's always tons of holes in them, they don't care because they are investigators, they control the fbi/doj/cia, and there usually isn't so much public impetus poking holes into everything.

remember these come from the same ilk of people who ran decades-long CIA programs to demonize questioning these kinds of things.

[mickmoranis]

This is all just a spinning rock populated by intelligent apes in a universe that has no inherent meaning. I like to remind myself this. It helps keep humans in perspective.

Id like to think humans are the best computers someone could come up with that would: explore, catalog, replicate, evolve, repeat the process perpetually until the entire universe is cataloged and explored.

Nice bonus is, if the creator of this program is smart enough, we could wireless transmit our data back to the cloud upon destruction.

[Xaanka]

we're all floating on a big gay fidget spinner in space

[mickmoranis]

rocks evolve to planets planet evolves to microbes microbes evolve to mammals mammals evolve to robots.

[AzzarTheGod]

Id like to think humans are the best computers someone could come up with that would: explore, catalog, replicate, evolve, repeat the process perpetually until the entire universe is cataloged and explored.

Nice bonus is, if the creator of this program is smart enough, we could wireless transmit our data back to the cloud upon destruction.

It simply doesn't matter. millions of years on earth, the first hominid existed 4.5 million years ago. Widespread agricultural city style NYC living began 12,000 years ago. Babylon was more advanced and had more economic opportunity than the dregs crony capitalism wage slavery we have today.

your life is 60-70 small years. you make the best life you can.

its why we have to worship the Romans. We like how they had a system to glorify tiny periods of modern civilization. little 5 to 10 year blocks of history with Romulus, Nero, Constantine etc. and all these little one-off commemorations and statues.

We use a similar system with our U.S. Presidents. It makes people feel better. It quells existential anxieties.

Its a good system. pras Rome n Greece.

[mickmoranis]

It simply doesn't matter. millions of years on earth, the first hominid existed 4.5 million years ago. Widespread agricultural city life began 12,000 years ago.

your life is 60-70 small years. you make the best life you can.

its why we have to worship the Romans. We like how they had a system to glorify tiny periods of modern civilization. little 5 to 10 year blocks of history with Romulus, Nero, Constantine etc. and all these little one-off commemorations and statues.

We use a similar system with our U.S. Presidents. It makes people feel better. It quells existential anxieties.

Its a good system. pras Rome n Greece.

great post but im sure it's just a part of our programming.

[Lune]

We use a similar system with our U.S. Presidents. It makes people feel better. It quells existential anxieties.

Its a good system. pras Rome n Greece.

woke