******Official politics thread ******

[feniin]

Domo, Teppler is literally insane. No need to listen to his tinfoil hat ramblings. Everyone is a criminal shadow government agent except him.

[solleks]

personal attack ^

[feniin]

personal attack ^

Reality.

[Teppler]

Like I've pointed out, feniin acts like rabid animal in these topics. He just got off a ban for personal attacks. And while he was gone these topics really weren't inflammatory at all.

[BallzDeep]

:rolleyes:

Sorry you're in a cult of stupidity. Maybe some day you'll back on this time of your life and realize how horrible you truly were to people less fortunate than yourself. Compassion and empathy seem to be nonexistent in your alt-right lifestyle.

Catching up but.... this is the most ignorant statement thus far. You are acting as if your way of doing this is "morally" better. You don't know that.

Compassion doesn't mean just giving money. What if compassion is telling someone the hard answers they don't want to hear?

I could walk up and give a homeless person $20 and under your sentiment, that is real compassion.

I could walk up to a homeless person and say "You need to get a job and here are some suggestions."

Which one would be more effective given they actually both ended up playing out and the guy got a job?

Just because you think giving stuff away = compassionate doesn't mean you are right.

[Jimjam]

Ballz he's homeless, that is not the same as jobless!

[solleks]

good point. i have someone close that is a heroin addict and lives on the streets. giving them 20$ doesnt help them at all. the moral high ground argument is bull shit and lacking substance

[feniin]

Yikes. Lots of terrible perspectives here. Also, Teppler is such a little snowflake, always playing victim while he lashes out at everyone who doesn't worship his dear orange leader.

[Domo]

well, if there is one thing ive learned about americans through the internet and forums like this is that most of you have very strong opinions. Its either black or white. red or blue.

I am not saying that its bad or good, its just diffrent then what I am used to.

[solleks]

Yikes. Lots of terrible perspectives here. (not an argument, personal attack) Also, Teppler is such a little snowflake(personal attack), always playing victim while he lashes out at everyone who doesn't worship his dear orange leader.

[BallzDeep]

could you be more accurate what you mean with "radical lefty"?

Because if you would have said "radical righty" I would have the "pizzagate guy" in mind who went into a pizzaria with a gun because he believed some right-wing bullshit on the internet.

Or the one guy who drove with a car into left-wing protesters.

I am not saying there are no "radical-leftys" but I believe there are more radical-rightys then leftys.
(both groups sucks though)

Meet Antifa. I think the point people were trying to make here is that majority of main stream news is predominately left on cable TV unless you solely watch Fox. CNN, MSNC, Viacom (HBO, MTV, BET), and pretty much all of cable television is owned by the left. So I'm sure when they demonize the right's behavior all the time, when you change the channel, your brain is filled with "another right extremist did this today."

There might be a mix of extremist but it depends on how you would classify. All had different ideals.


The recent CA shooting the guy was an avid reader of "Might is Right"
The Night Club shooting was religious and anti-gay (Nothing to do with the right)
The Dayton shooter was a socialist
The Texas shooter was anti-Mexican (probably the only you could maybe cite as the right but openly stated he hated both but I'm sure you'd get people here that would argue his point of view for him.)

People hurting other people for their idealisms isn't something new and there are thousands of different ideologies.


Another statistic I looked at recently was celebrities and wealth. Celebrities have more wealth in this era than any era before. Celebrities influence the masses. When Cardi B endorses Bernie (absolute joke), she makes more money and influences more people. This goes on for pretty much 90% of the celebrities including Taylor Swift, Beyoncé & Jay-Z, Eminem, and pretty much all of the people who are some of the wealthiest people in the US and the World. They could openly donate 70% tax rate right now if they wanted.....Why don't they? They could pay for healthcare for a lot of different people.....Why don't they?

Basically you are listening to scumbags that utilize celebrities, media and mob rule to validate their point. They are just as wealthy as the republicans but claiming a moral ground.

Here is an article how Republicans donate more money to Charity without government rule than Democrats.

"Republicans give more than twice what Democrats give in charitable contributions.
In 2008 Arthur C. Brooks wrote a book that included information on this very question and found that even though on average Democrat households have higher incomes, the Republican or Conservative households donate more of their income. Republicans also donate more blood as well."

[feniin]

https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs

Pretty fantastic video.

[solleks]

https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs

Pretty fantastic video.

sorry you have to watch these training vids since your points are so terrible. looks like it was created for a grade school kid.

[feniin]

sorry you have to watch these training vids since your points are so terrible. looks like it was created for a grade school kid.

Glad you took the time to watch the video. Thanks for the personal attacks you keep whining about me doing.

[solleks]

watched about 5 seconds of it on mute. gave me an actual chuckle. nice training vids for the mentally impaired

[feniin]

watched about 5 seconds of it on mute. gave me an actual chuckle. nice training vids for the mentally impaired

You're so predictable. It's almost sad. I realize that you're probably uneducated, impotent, and incel, but you don't have to take it out on everyone else. Go outside, make a friend.

[solleks]

You're so predictable. It's almost sad. I realize that you're probably uneducated, impotent, and incel, but you don't have to take it out on everyone else. Go outside, make a friend.

i am very productive with my seed. i go outside often. passed 8th grade easily. thanks for you concern about me personally.

[BallzDeep]

I think Feniin just falls in the bottom of the hierarchy and is pretty mad about it. Also, the guy is an absolute retard and very hypocritical in his point about not understanding the other side. "Republicans want the rich because republicans think we NEED the rich." Absolutely false. Republicans want the rich because they believe ANYONE can be rich given the right work ethic. The guy with the incredibly nerdy voice giving the video wouldn't understand that because he is probably an art major.

[feniin]

I think Feniin just falls in the bottom of the hierarchy and is pretty mad about it.

Nah, my life is pretty great.

[BallzDeep]

Nah, my life is pretty great.

I don't know how you are so charitable with all the time you've invested in EQ. You must be a real philanthropist.

[BallzDeep]

Also, to counter his idea point that you'd believe that white men are the highest paid based on skin color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income

Here you go.

[feniin]

I don't know how you are so charitable with all the time you've invested in EQ. You must be a real philanthropist.

That ain't my life. I have just enough for me and my family. The ones with actual means are the ones slacking on that. I don't think you realize how much a billion dollars actually is.

[feniin]

Also, to counter his idea point that you'd believe that white men are the highest paid based on skin color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income

Here you go.

When did I say that? You and Teppler sure like to make shit up. Typical conservative behavior.

[BallzDeep]

That ain't my life. I have just enough for me and my family. The ones with actual means are the ones slacking on that. I don't think you realize how much a billion dollars actually is.

I don't think you realize that Republicans donate more money and blood than Democrats. If you are going under the premise of billionaires and donating, Republicans have less average household income and donate more. The people you are complaining about are Amazon, Instagram, celebrities, Viacom and plenty more. They don't only control the money, they also control the media.

If you are concerned with the investors (Bloomberg), healthcare and other organizations. They are partly owned by Democrat and on healthcare, you need to stop allowing government (something Democrats want more of) allowing the drug companies to keep using the Restasis patent as it was intended. Stop letting the government get involved and allow the open market to drive prices down by generics.

[BallzDeep]

When did I say that? You and Teppler sure like to make shit up. Typical conservative behavior.

You obviously didn't watch your own video. Man, you are dumb.

[feniin]

I don't think you realize that Republicans donate more money and blood than Democrats. If you are going under the premise of billionaires and donating, Republicans have less average household income and donate more. The people you are complaining about are Amazon, Instagram, celebrities, Viacom and plenty more. They don't only control the money, they also control the media.

If you are concerned with the investors (Bloomberg), healthcare and other organizations. They are partly owned by Democrat and on healthcare, you need to stop allowing government (something Democrats want more of) allowing the drug companies to keep using the Restasis patent as it was intended. Stop letting the government get involved and allow the open market to drive prices down by generics.
An unregulated free market leads to slave labor, hope that helps.

[Wonkie]

Also, to counter his idea point that you'd believe that white men are the highest paid based on skin color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_hous ehold_income

Here you go.

Could this be misleading?

[BallzDeep]

An unregulated free market leads to slave labor, hope that helps.

What are you even talking about? No one is advocating for removing civil liberties. I can tell you've had to regress to something unrelated and stupid.

[BallzDeep]

Could this be misleading?

Depends on what point of statistic you are looking for. To validate the point that America isn't completely racist and the hierarchy isn't predominately white, no, it isn't. Also, almost a large portion of Americans voted for Trump. That would mean 40-50% of American's are racist since they are Republicans and believe in a hierarchy of being white. Which would mean other ethnic groups would NOT progress if you have a 40-50% unconscious racism rate. There is no possible way the median income would pass white people for Indian and Asian if 40-50% or even 15% of people were racist.

[Valeriya]

Yikes. Lots of terrible perspectives here. Also, Teppler is such a little snowflake, always playing victim while he lashes out at everyone who doesn't worship his dear orange leader.

Shut up

[Kaveh]

whats the biggest crime the democrats did in your opinion?

Social security, Medicare, Medicaid

All assistance should be based on IQ

[feniin]

Raising my kid in a world that includes people like BallzDeep and Teppler is probably the hardest thing to do as a father. How do I explain to him that not everyone lives in a collective reality? That sort of transdimensional thought is probably beyond a 3 year old's comprehension.

[Teppler]

That ain't my life. I have just enough for me and my family. The ones with actual means are the ones slacking on that. I don't think you realize how much a billion dollars actually is.

What kind of welfare are you on?

[BallzDeep]

Raising my kid in a world that includes people like BallzDeep and Teppler is probably the hardest thing to do as a father. How do I explain to him that not everyone lives in a collective reality? That sort of transdimensional thought is probably beyond a 3 year old's comprehension.

Straight from the communists mouth. "How do I explain to a child not everyone agrees with me?" Careful, your son might grow up to be a Republican. Your safe space is showing.

[Domo]

Why are so many republicans against universal health care btw?

I mean Teppler mention before that its very important for him that the goverment take care of his fellow americans, but I assume from what Ive read from you Teppler that you're against it?!

Is it because democrats like it therefor it must be bad or something?

[Wonkie]

Why are so many republicans against universal health care btw?

I mean Teppler mention before that its very important for him that the goverment take care of his fellow americans, but I assume from what Ive read from you Teppler that you're against it?!

Is it because democrats like it therefor it must be bad or something?

Southern Democrats used to be Commies(like FDR), then Civil Rights happened.

[Valeriya]

you leftist

[Teppler]

Raising my kid in a world that includes people like BallzDeep and Teppler is probably the hardest thing to do as a father. How do I explain to him that not everyone lives in a collective reality? That sort of transdimensional thought is probably beyond a 3 year old's comprehension.

Have you tried explaining left wing views of science to him? There's no way that's easier.

I'll teach you how to be an effective father. Teach your son responsibility. Teach him that when you own something and something depends on him it's his responsibility to take care of it. And there's expectations. When you have your own citizens, you need to serve them first and foremost before foreigners. Jesus talks about this in the bible. It's not right to feed starving dogs while your children are hungry. It's sad if you have limited resources but America can't fund the whole world. We have our own domestic citizens that are suffering and have been suffering for a long time.

Your viewpoint is effectively bullshit feniin and I'll explain why. You're a 1%er on a global level when you start comparing yourself to people in places like the sudan. Why aren't you giving your money away? It could feed tons of people. But you don't. You like your position and comforts of being a global 1%er.

Furthermore another way to be an effective dad is explain things to him when he's ready. You don't need to give him an entire discourse on politics at age 3. Give him stuff to digest when he's ready. 3 year olds aren't supposed to understand the world but you're simply supposed to be introducing and developing desirable concepts and ideas right now.

[Valeriya]

quit crying Trumps going to win again just wait

[Teppler]

Why are so many republicans against universal health care btw?

I mean Teppler mention before that its very important for him that the goverment take care of his fellow americans, but I assume from what Ive read from you Teppler that you're against it?!

Is it because democrats like it therefor it must be bad or something?

Unfettered immigration. You can't have free healthcare and visits that cost thousands of dollars(sometimes hundreds of thousands) while having poor people from whatever country jam themselves in our country to exploit that. I'm not totally against universal health care, I'm just not an advocate for it with our current situations.

[Domo]

you spamming Valeriya

[Valeriya]

you spamming Valeriya

shut up

[Wonkie]

I'm not totally against universal health care, I'm just not an advocate for it with our current situations.

The current situation is brown people existing, btw.

[Domo]

Unfettered immigration. You can't have free healthcare and visits that cost thousands of dollars(sometimes hundreds of thousands) while having poor people from whatever country jam themselves in our country to exploit that. I'm not totally against universal health care, I'm just not an advocate for it with our current situations.

But universal health care would cost you less then it does right now from what I understand.
But it dosent matter because you want to make sure that nobody exploit it?

[Teppler]

But universal health care would cost you less then it does right now from what I understand.
But it dosent matter because you want to make sure that nobody exploit it?

We also have the best healthcare in the world. Let's say it did cost less, which I haven't confirmed, what quality will it be?

[Valeriya]

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[Valeriya]

stupid leftists

[Domo]

We also have the best healthcare in the world. Let's say it did cost less, which I haven't confirmed, what quality will it be?

I dont know. Its just kind of scary for me to read all these storys about people losing their job, house etc. because they got sick and didnt had a health insurance. Or that most applications on gofundme.com are for people who cant pay their medical bills etc.

For an outsider like me it just looks like you dont care about your fellow citizens.

[Valeriya]

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[Teppler]

I dont know. Its just kind of scary for me to read all these storys about people losing their job, house etc. because they got sick and didnt had a health insurance. Or that most applications on gofundme.com are for people who cant pay their medical bills etc.

For an outsider like me it just looks like you dont care about your fellow citizens.

That's why we need to fix up immigration so we can limit and keep track of how many people are in our country so we can figure out how to get these people the best healthcare possible. One thing that must be understood is that medical care is really costly. You can't have unlimited medical care where you have unlimited people. That's not a healthy or manageable thing for anyone. Once we have control of our country, and not a giant sect of people stealing, we can best use our resources for our own citizens that are hurting.

It's not that we don't care. It's that we are experiencing a foreign invasion and can't afford the unlimited bill that comes with their medical costs. Personally I'd love healthcare for everyone but it has to be manageable.

If your child asks you for a billion dollars and you are poor, is it that you don't care about your child?

[Domo]

I accept your viewpoint. but its kind of sad.
You refuse to help your fellow citizens because you might could help some people who didnt deserve it. Thats pretty sad.

[Teppler]

I accept your viewpoint. but its kind of sad.
You refuse to help your fellow citizens because you might could help some people who didnt deserve it. Thats pretty sad.

It looks like you have some assumption that America just has unlimited money to heal the sick of every country around the world. We don't. We have our own citizens that are suffering. It would be unethical to try to save the whole world while we have our own people that are suffering. I'll use the example again- You can't go around feeding other families while your son and daughter is famished at home. You have a responsibility to your family before strangers. Anything we give to strangers should be looked at as charity that we should be thanked for. Instead I see an expectation and the idea that we are scumbags for not doing it.

How come you haven't donated 95% of your money to the poor? Are you aware that globally you are a 1%er and you could make a huge different for tons of different families. Come on, those people that are suffering didn't deserve it. Just give them your money. If not, that's pretty sad.

[Domo]

Nobody is talking about that america should save the whole world (to stay in your expample). But from my point of view your fellow citizen are your brothers and sisters, and you refuse to help them because you might help some non-americans with it too.

Thats sad.


P.S.

I dont fell bad for helping your brothers and sisters with my taxes / insurance payment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwantba05Y0

Maybe thats the main diffrence between you and me.
For me Health care is a right, for you its a privilege

[Unslaved]

Politics don't exist because this reality is an illusion and if they did it would be a distraction from the truth...:D

[Teppler]

Nobody is talking about that america should save the whole world (to stay in your expample). But from my point of view your fellow citizen are your brothers and sisters, and you refuse to help them because you might help some non-americans with it too.

Thats sad.

You aren't connecting to the idea that we can't help anyone if we try to help everyone. The system breaks down when you can't keep track of an unlimited population coming in.

Again, you are a global 1%er. Why aren't you giving you money away to some needy families in Niger and Mali? Why do you refuse to help them? You like to suggest other people and groups spend their money on poor foreigners. Why don't you practice what you preach?

[Valeriya]

Trumps going to win you libturds

[Domo]

You aren't connecting to the idea that we can't help anyone if we try to help everyone. The system breaks down when you can't keep track of an unlimited population coming in.

Again, you are a global 1%er. Why aren't you giving you money away to some needy families in Niger and Mali? Why do you refuse to help them? You like to suggest other people and groups spend their money on poor foreigners. Why don't you practice what you preach?

I paying each month 10€ to the "Save the Children" organisation. Its not much but something.
I am just wondering why you are against universal health care when you could safe money with it and help way more people then you do right now.

[Valeriya]

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[Wonkie]

Again, you are a global 1%er. Why aren't you giving you money away to some needy families in Niger and Mali? Why do you refuse to help them? You like to suggest other people and groups spend their money on poor foreigners. Why don't you practice what you preach?

https://i.imgur.com/Glst4Vy.png

[Teppler]

I paying each month 10€ to the "Save the Children" organisation. Its not much but something.
I am just wondering why you are against universal health care when you could safe money with it and help way more people then you do right now.

You're volunteering our top notch medical system to become a 3rd world medical system.

How do you feel when I volunteer you to give 95% of your money to needy families in Niger and Mali. Easiest way to understand this. No, not 10 crumpets or whatever.

[Horza]

Politics don't exist because this reality is an illusion and if they did it would be a distraction from the truth...:D

[Domo]

"95% of your money"? What are you talking about?

Your goverment is already spending Trillions of Dollars each year into a system which dont work for everyone. But would you change it a bit you would save billion Dollars and cover everyone in your country. Thats my question. Why are you against it? And you said that its more important for you to make sure that no outsiders can benift from it then helping your brothers and sisters. And thats sad. Yeah thats very sad.

[feniin]

The more Teppler and friends get mad, the better I know we're all doing.

[BallzDeep]

Why are so many republicans against universal health care btw?

I mean Teppler mention before that its very important for him that the goverment take care of his fellow americans, but I assume from what Ive read from you Teppler that you're against it?!

Is it because democrats like it therefor it must be bad or something?

No, I believe it is bad because you need to allow freedom of choice for the hard work some people put in. When someone is having a child, they want to be able to choose which doctor they go to. If you only allow government picked doctors, it is a nightmare.

If you put in 80 hours of work and someone puts in 20, you need to be allow the right to find the best healthcare since you make it a priority to work and provide for your family.

On the premise of using a universal and select pay system, I believe as I said earlier, the best answer to have people work for their healthcare. It comes down to how many people you think abuse the system that need assistance. Are they overspending on luxuries and then asking for help? The only way to weed those people out is to not make something mandatory. If the greatest help to those people is to stop spending money on video games and healthcare should be a bigger priority, giving them mandatory healthcare won't help anyone.

[BallzDeep]

Nobody is talking about that america should save the whole world (to stay in your expample). But from my point of view your fellow citizen are your brothers and sisters, and you refuse to help them because you might help some non-americans with it too.

Thats sad.


P.S.

I dont fell bad for helping your brothers and sisters with my taxes / insurance payment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwantba05Y0

Maybe thats the main diffrence between you and me.
For me Health care is a right, for you its a privilege

Under this premise you are saying your opinion is the de facto correct one and you are morally better than other people who disagree. Define help for someone who abuses it?

I'd love you to go to hospitals and tell them healthcare is a right and no one needs to pay. How many doctors or nurses do you think you'll have on the cutting edge of medicine?

[feniin]

The more Teppler and friends get mad, the better I know we're all doing.

[feniin]

Under this premise you are saying your opinion is the de facto correct one and you are morally better than other people who disagree. Define help for someone who abuses it?

I'd love you to go to hospitals and tell them healthcare is a right and no one needs to pay. How many doctors or nurses do you think you'll have on the cutting edge of medicine?
You do realize that hospitals still make money under a single payer, socialized healthcare system, right?

[Valeriya]

You do realize that hospitals still make money under a single payer, socialized healthcare system, right?

Shut up

[Horza]

Shut up

You can do better than that.

[Valeriya]

So can you're gay liberal movement

[BallzDeep]

You do realize that hospitals still make money under a single payer, socialized healthcare system, right?

You do realize that even under a democrat talking point of John Delaney, they did surveys of how many doctors would quit if they were dictated what they were paid. Why do you think a large portion of doctors are from Indian decent?

They want to be paid high dollars for the amount of school work and effort they've put in and America is the best opportunity for that. Tell me more how you could care less about rewarding someones effort for putting in a large amount of work but stick up for the guy that doesn't work? I forgot, you are the beacon of moral. It's insane you are raising a child.

[Horza]

Rudy Giuliani says Trump will stay loyal to him but jokes that he has 'insurance.' (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/14/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-insurance-loyal)

Giuliani, Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, has said he is confident the president will remain loyal to him as an impeachment inquiry unfolds in which the former New York mayor has become a central figure. But Giuliani joked that he had good “insurance” in case Trump did turn on him, amid speculation that Republicans will seek to frame him as a rogue actor.

[Domo]

Under this premise you are saying your opinion is the de facto correct one and you are morally better than other people who disagree. Define help for someone who abuses it?

I'd love you to go to hospitals and tell them healthcare is a right and no one needs to pay. How many doctors or nurses do you think you'll have on the cutting edge of medicine?

I just think that secruity, education and health care are important foundation pillars of any country.
And I think that these should be payed with the income taxes as you pay for your police, fire department and military

Its complety fine if you see it diffrent. I never said aynthink else. But I find it very sad that Teppler says he wants to care about his fellow brothers and sisters but he dont because he might help a small percentage who are not his brothers and sisters.

From my understanding he is willing to sacrifice his own "blood" just to make sure that not a single outsider gets 1 dollar from him.

Thats his good right, but its still very sad.

I see my country as my team, as my family. I dont want to shove everythink into their ass, but I dont want them to suffer only because they got sick or had an accident.


I know I repeat myself a lot and my english sucks, but its very frightening to read storys from my american "cousins" that they call an Uber instead of an ambulance because they are afraid of the bill.

I always though you americans stand for unity and standing by to your next citizen, but when it comes to education or healthcare you are still very selfish like in the wild west.

Again, nothing wrong about it, its your country and you can do whatever ya want, but its still sad thats all I am saying.

[Horza]

Teppler is extremely concerned about blood, particularly the purity of it.

[Teppler]

"95% of your money"? What are you talking about?

Your goverment is already spending Trillions of Dollars each year into a system which dont work for everyone. But would you change it a bit you would save billion Dollars and cover everyone in your country. Thats my question. Why are you against it? And you said that its more important for you to make sure that no outsiders can benift from it then helping your brothers and sisters. And thats sad. Yeah thats very sad.

Why am I against advocating for an unsustainable system that would either bankrupt us if we keep the high quality medical care in our country or send us into a 3rd world medical system?

You know what's sad too? I don't have 100 billion dollars and Taylor Swift in my lap but we can't just have every thing we want at the snap of the fingers.

[Teppler]

Just say Jews, Teppler. We all know what you're trying to be subtle about.

:confused: That's not who I'm referring to in the slightest. Nice job following the discussion.

[Horza]

Once we have control of our country, and not a giant sect of people stealing, we can best use our resources for our own citizens that are hurting. It's not that we don't care. It's that we are experiencing a foreign invasion.

Blut und boden.

[Valeriya]

Blut und boden.

[feniin]

You do realize that even under a democrat talking point of John Delaney, they did surveys of how many doctors would quit if they were dictated what they were paid. Why do you think a large portion of doctors are from Indian decent?

They want to be paid high dollars for the amount of school work and effort they've put in and America is the best opportunity for that. Tell me more how you could care less about rewarding someones effort for putting in a large amount of work but stick up for the guy that doesn't work? I forgot, you are the beacon of moral. It's insane you are raising a child.
I forget... do they have hospitals, doctors, and nurses in Germany? Or Sweden? Norway? France? England? Canada? Basically everywhere else on earth?

[Wonkie]

we can best use our resources for our own citizens that are hurting.

What would you propose, some sort of Freedom Dividend?:D

[Horza]

One dead and five hospitalized after shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California. (https://abc7.com/live-1-killed-5-wounded-at-saugus-high-school-in-santa-clarita/5696998/)

[Valeriya]

I love my assault rifes. You're welcome to come to texas and shoot them with me.... oh wait

[Teppler]

What would you propose, some sort of Freedom Dividend?:D

I really am open to a lot of ideas.

[Wonkie]

I really am open to a lot of ideas.

Luke 3:16

:(

[Horza]

I love my assault rifes. You're welcome to come to texas and shoot them with me.... oh wait

OK, boomer.

[Valeriya]

you will never take my fire arms.....

[Horza]

Matt Bevin concedes Kentucky governor's race. (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/14/matt-bevin-concedes-kentucky-governor-070975)

[feniin]

Matt Bevin concedes Kentucky governor's race. (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/14/matt-bevin-concedes-kentucky-governor-070975)

“One thing you will not see: I’m not going to be publicly undermining or second-guessing anything that is done,” said Bevin.

Yeah, okay. Give it a week, tops.

[Horza]

One dead and five hospitalized after shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California. (https://abc7.com/live-1-killed-5-wounded-at-saugus-high-school-in-santa-clarita/5696998/)

LASD update on Saugus High shooting: Another student, a 14-year-old boy, has died. The death toll is now two. (https://twitter.com/KTLA/status/1195068484247441408)

[feniin]

But more guns would have definitely saved lives, right?

Instead of just plugging our ears and closing our eyes to all of this, maybe we should actually do something like the rest of the civilized world? "It's too hard, people are too stubborn, it's impossible in America"

Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

Queue the right wingers to spew their tired garbage about the 2nd amendment instead of realizing the constitution is a living document that can and has been altered to meet the demands of a changing society.

[suptoofs]

But more guns would have definitely saved lives, right?

Instead of just plugging our ears and closing our eyes to all of this, maybe we should actually do something like the rest of the civilized world? "It's too hard, people are too stubborn, it's impossible in America"

Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

Queue the right wingers to spew their tired garbage about the 2nd amendment instead of realizing the constitution is a living document that can and has been altered to meet the demands of a changing society.

I am in agreement with you on this about 2nd amendment slingers. The 2nd amendment was created during a time period where single shot muskets were the most commonly used firearm. Modern automatic or even some semi automatic firearms couldn't possibly be considered during that time period.

That amendment should be tailored to meet contemporary times.

[Teppler]

I am in agreement with you on this about 2nd amendment slingers. The 2nd amendment was created during a time period where single shot muskets were the most commonly used firearm. Modern automatic or even some semi automatic firearms couldn't possibly be considered during that time period.

That amendment should be tailored to meet contemporary times.

It sounds like you have no idea why the 2nd amendment was created. It's probably the most important thing for our country's identity. I don't think it's a problem with guns when you consider mass shootings just didn't happen until left wing social upheaval started becoming popular in the 60s. That's like banning alcohol or driving because someone cause a death drunk driving one night. It happens and we live with it.

Founding father Thomas Jefferson once said- “What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. Jefferson was commenting on Shays” Rebellion, an armed uprising in Massachusetts that had been put down earlier that year by organized state militia forces. “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,” Jefferson remarked. “Let them take arms.”

Head his warning on the importance here. There are some things more important than convenience and safety and that is the freedom Thomas Jefferson was trying to outline there. If you aren't willing to be a tough person and defend your freedom, you really don't deserve it.

[feniin]

It sounds like you have no idea why the 2nd amendment was created. It's probably the most important thing for our country's identity. I don't think it's a problem with guns when you consider mass shootings just didn't happen until left wing social upheaval started becoming popular in the 60s. That's like banning alcohol or driving because someone cause a death drunk driving one night. It happens and we live with it.

Founding father Thomas Jefferson once said- “What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. Jefferson was commenting on Shays” Rebellion, an armed uprising in Massachusetts that had been put down earlier that year by organized state militia forces. “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,” Jefferson remarked. “Let them take arms.”

Head his warning on the importance here. There are some things more important than convenience and safety and that is the freedom Thomas Jefferson was trying to outline there. If you aren't willing to be a tough person and defend your freedom, you really don't deserve it.
Who are we defending our freedom from? And with what arms? Hunting rifles versus guided missile systems and UAVs?

The second amendment hasn't been relevant since the 19th century.

[Teppler]

It makes it 100x harder for a tyrannical government(which there are no shortage of present day and throughout history) to bully their people. There always has to be that fear in the back of elite politicians mind that there could be the gravest consequences if they don't do their job in serving the people that elected them. Otherwise politicians and government's don't naturally work correctly. They need this check and balance.

[feniin]

It makes it 100x harder for a tyrannical government(which there are no shortage of present day and throughout history) to bully their people. There always has to be that fear in the back of elite politicians mind that there could be the gravest consequences if they don't do their job in serving the people that elected them. Otherwise politicians and government's don't naturally work correctly. They need this check and balance.

There's nothing stopping a modern government, even in the most armed civilizations, from subjugating their populace currently. The unarmed countries are currently living with a higher freedom index and quality of life than the armed ones.

[Teppler]

Who are we defending our freedom from? And with what arms? Hunting rifles versus guided missile systems and UAVs?

The second amendment hasn't been relevant since the 19th century.

We're talking about a government vs it's own people. What government is sending guided missiles to it's citizens? They go door to door and when you don't know what weapon a person could have, it makes that extremely dangerous. Having an armed population at any level is really valuable.

[Teppler]

There's nothing stopping a modern government, even in the most armed civilizations, from subjugating their populace currently. The unarmed countries are currently living with a higher freedom index and quality of life than the armed ones.

Most unarmed countries are abusive to their citizens and don't contain large amount of freedumz. Look at free speech laws in the UK. They don't have free speech.

[Horza]

freedumz

Are you twelve years old? Just spell the word like a non-brainwashed person.

[Teppler]

Most the unarmed countries feniin is referring to also don't live on the border of a cartel war zone either where criminal fire arms are smuggled through at mass levels regularly. You take our guns away, cartels still are importing the strongest stuff to criminals.

Feniin is pointing out lack of crime in places like France and Germany. Look up who their neighbors are compared to ours.

[feniin]

Most unarmed countries are abusive to their citizens and don't contain large amount of freedumz. Look at free speech laws in the UK. They don't have free speech.

Hate Speech is illegal the UK. Sounds like a good law.

[Horza]

Hate Speech is illegal the UK. Sounds like a good law.

https://i.imgur.com/gNjCuMC.gif

[Teppler]

Hate Speech is illegal the UK. Sounds like a good law.

I guess that's another way of saying they don't have freedom of speech in the UK and censorship instead?

[Wonkie]

Shooter ran out of bullets. Round limits good.

[feniin]

Shooter ran out of bullets. Round limits good.

Single shot, bolt action rifles and single shot shotguns for citizens, revolvers for police. Nobody needs more than that.

[feniin]

Most the unarmed countries feniin is referring to also don't live on the border of a cartel war zone either where criminal fire arms are smuggled through at mass levels regularly. You take our guns away, cartels still are importing the strongest stuff to criminals.

Feniin is pointing out lack of crime in places like France and Germany. Look up who their neighbors are compared to ours.
Most of the guns are headed south. Hope that helps.

[Horza]

Most the unarmed countries feniin is referring to also don't live on the border of a cartel war zone either where criminal fire arms are smuggled through at mass levels regularly. You take our guns away, cartels still are importing the strongest stuff to criminals.

Feniin is pointing out lack of crime in places like France and Germany. Look up who their neighbors are compared to ours.

https://i.imgur.com/4mNCWZz.png

[Teppler]

Youch 3 rapid fire pilpul posts. Nice escape guys.

[feniin]

Youch 3 rapid fire pilpul posts. Nice escape guys.

There is literally nothing to worry about with the cartels. Do you live along the Rio Grande? You're being fed fear.

[Horza]

Youch 3 rapid fire pilpul posts. Nice escape guys.

More unsubtle antisemitic dog-whistles?

[Wonkie]

Youch 3 rapid fire pilpul posts. Nice escape guys.

You weren't being interesting, sorry bud.

Be interesting.

[Teppler]

There is literally nothing to worry about with the cartels. Do you live along the Rio Grande? You're being fed fear.

There's plenty to worry about with the cartels. The existence of cartels means we are getting lots of low class mexicans fleeing that become a giant bill for us to pay. And again about the guns and drugs too. Cartels traffic ton's of weapons and drugs into the US. This is why US has justification to take military action in Mexico and really annex it. The mexican state doesn't control mexico and hasn't in a long time. Their police don't investigate criminal organization cartels. The cartels are the bosses.

[Wonkie]

There's plenty to worry about with the cartels. The existence of cartels means we are getting lots of low class mexicans fleeing that become a giant bill for us to pay. And again about the guns and drugs too. Cartels traffic ton's of weapons and drugs into the US. This is why US has justification to take military action in Mexican and really annex it. The mexican state doesn't control mexico and hasn't in a long time. Their police don't investigate criminal organization cartels. The cartels are the bosses.

How do the cartels get so much money? Who's buying from them?

[feniin]

There's plenty to worry about with the cartels. The existence of cartels means we are getting lots of low class mexicans fleeing that become a giant bill for us to pay. And again about the guns and drugs too. Cartels traffic ton's of weapons and drugs into the US. This is why US has justification to take military action in Mexican and really annex it. The mexican state doesn't control mexico and hasn't in a long time. Their police don't investigate criminal organization cartels. The cartels are the bosses.

Legalize drugs, take away their income.

They're not manufacturing weapons. Where do you think they're getting them?

Edit: and really, you are, and the right-wing media is, overly sensationalizing the power, scope, and impact of the "cartels" the same way they did "gangs" in the 80s and 90s.

[Wonkie]

Legalize drugs, take away their income.



HACKLIBERALIZE THE PLANET!

[Teppler]

Or we can just take military action against the cartels and not mold our way of life around a foreign criminal organization calling the shots over the greatest country in the world. Feniin do you want heroin shops in your neighborhood?

[Horza]

The House Ethics Committee just announced it is investigating allegations that Rep. Alcee Hastings (R-FL) has a personal relationship with one of his staffers. Hastings, a former federal judge, was impeached for bribery and perjury and removed from office before he was elected to Congress. (https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1195099535015583749)

[feniin]

Or we can just take military action against the cartels and not mold our way of life around a foreign criminal organization calling the shots over the greatest country in the world. Feniin do you want heroin shops in your neighborhood?

I want adults to be able to choose what they do with their bodies.

[Wonkie]

Or we can just take military action

that would be collectivism

[Teppler]

I want adults to be able to choose what they do with their bodies.

How about when your son is 17 or 18 and he tells you he wants to experiment at heroin shop on the corner.

[Domo]

my condolence america :/

[Teppler]

Or how about even earlier like 13-14 because he knows it's legal in just a few years anyway and how big a deal could it be if it's legal? Just like I was trying beer at that age.

[Wonkie]

How about when your son is 17 or 18 and he tells you he wants to experiment at heroin shop on the corner.

he already has access to heroin in the current situation, your argument is a bird.

[Horza]

The House Ethics Committee just announced it is investigating allegations that Rep. Alcee Hastings (R-FL) has a personal relationship with one of his staffers. Hastings, a former federal judge, was impeached for bribery and perjury and removed from office before he was elected to Congress. (https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1195099535015583749)

Rep. Alcee Hastings has admitted to being in a relationship with his aide. (https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20191031/alcee-hastingsrsquo-relationship-with-aide-appears-to-flout-house-rule)

Hastings, 83, has employed a disbarred lawyer, Patricia Williams, on his congressional staff since at least 2000. She has been paid nearly $3 million in taxpayer-funded salary since that time, according to LegiStorm, which tracks the pay of congressional staff members.

Hastings’ relationship with Williams has drawn scrutiny before, but the congressman has brushed off ethical concerns. He told The Post that he is unconcerned with the appearance of impropriety generated by his relationship with Williams.

“However it looks, it’s been looking like that for 25 years,” he said.

[feniin]

he already has access to heroin in the current situation, your argument is a bird.

For real. Plus, they just hand out opioids like candy anyway. What makes heroin any worse than fentanyl or oxycodone? At least it would be regulated.

[Teppler]

he already has access to heroin in the current situation, your argument is a bird.

Feniin says he wants people to have the freedom to choose what they put in their body. But I wonder what he would say to his son, who just passes adulthood and wants to experiment with heroin. Is freedom to choose what to put in your body still a good thing?

There's been societies in the past that were destroyed by drugs. Look into the destructive history of poppy seeds.

This is where a strong leader comes in handy in creating a society that works. Societies in the past tried having no laws when it came to heroin like substances and poppy and it's always horribly destructive.

Guys like feniin don't understand the responsibility in being a leader in this sense. Even experimenting in this sense is horribly dangerous and reckless. I bring up his son for a reason. If he's any bit of a decent person he would give his son the gravest warning to stay far away from a drug like heroin feniin is also saying should be legal. This is also what a leader needs to do for his society. Give them grave warnings and punishments for fucking around.

[feniin]

You've bought into the fear. There's nothing inherently different between heroin and any other opioid, which are prescribed in abundance.

[Horza]

This is where a strong leader comes in handy in creating a society that works.

I wonder how many posters here actually know the story of what happened to Hitler pre ww2 and how bad the global banks fucked him and Germany. Ever wonder why Hitler is built up as the ultimate evil post ww2? I'll give you a clue, it didn't have anything to do with concentration camps which were all over the world, US included.

After WW1 Germany was responsible for repaying the world basically. This was a deal cut by zionists placed in charge of Germany and they were to deal with other world wide globalist zionist bankers. That situation is fucked for the German people and fucked they became. Germany became a ghetto nation after world war 1. They had no chance to rebuild their country. Any money they made went into paying off interest made on loans Germany had to make to repay the world off of bogus debts. Germany looked like an utterly helpless nation totally and completely owned by banking loan repayment forever.

In comes Hitler. He was loved by the people for giving spirited speeches and rallying these down trodden people. He was an economic genius. He saw the banking system and loans and figured out another way. Hitler introduced a nationalized barter system where people largely traded goods and serves with each others. Germany developed their own form of currency basically, away from the banks. Germany started offering interest free loans with this.

Germany goes from the ghetto of Europe to the world super power within a number of years. All without zionist banking. Germany became so incredibly wealthy that Hitler's government was able to completely and utterly pay off the debts from WW1.

After Hitler repaid Germany's debts to the world, he asked the bankers to please leave germany. He saw the horrible exploitation Germany suffered under bankers regime post WW1 and simply asked them to peacefully leave and take their banking with them. He did not rob them or anything like that. He repaid them fully.

This is what got Hitler in trouble more than anything. He had the gall to say no to globalist banking. Any person or nation that says no to zionist banking is a gigantic threat to their power structure. Their power structure exists by having everyone buy into the value of their worthless paper they call currency that they can print at will. Of course they have many assets behind their wealth but their active power structure is getting people to believe in their currency and the power of their loans. For Hitler to develop a system outside of zionist banking was a disaster for zionists bankers. Imagine if America was next and said they wanted to try their hands without zionist banking? US is the gold calf for these people. Instead they recruited the US to fight against Germany. There became a world wide harassment effort to bring Hitler and Germany to heel and bring back zionist banking as the uninterrupted power source.

After Hitler expelled the bankers, those poor people rallied a world wide harassment effort and surrounded Germany on multiple fronts. Germany takes the bait at some point and there you have the start of WW2. Banker class frames this, with their total control of western media, that Hitler is out of control and an aggressive maniac.

These people have only grown more powerful since WW2. They've stomped out a bunch of the remaining holdouts without those banks like Iraq and Afganistan. North Korea and Syria are two hold outs that I know off the top of my head. There's a reason why we get such heavy and consistent propaganda about these places and why we need to stick our noses in them.

If I'm wrong about any of this, someone else me know.

[Teppler]

You've bought into the fear. There's nothing inherently different between heroin and any other opioid, which are prescribed in abundance.

You're not following your own narrative. Are any opioids with any strength free for anyone to buy legally? Try to avoid further pilpul here as I drag you back on topic.

[suptoofs]

It sounds like you have no idea why the 2nd amendment was created. It's probably the most important thing for our country's identity. I don't think it's a problem with guns when you consider mass shootings just didn't happen until left wing social upheaval started becoming popular in the 60s. That's like banning alcohol or driving because someone cause a death drunk driving one night. It happens and we live with it.

Founding father Thomas Jefferson once said- “What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure,” Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787. Jefferson was commenting on Shays” Rebellion, an armed uprising in Massachusetts that had been put down earlier that year by organized state militia forces. “God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion,” Jefferson remarked. “Let them take arms.”

Head his warning on the importance here. There are some things more important than convenience and safety and that is the freedom Thomas Jefferson was trying to outline there. If you aren't willing to be a tough person and defend your freedom, you really don't deserve it.

Sorry pal, but your reasoning is lost in the 19th century and dated.

Also there was little difference in available weapons for civilians and the military at that time period (Revolutionary War). Small arms are not going to do anything to "defend my freedom" in contemporary times.

You may spin it all your liking, your logic is fundamentally flawed.

[Teppler]

annexation is illegal, your idea is impossible.

:o

Who is going to say something? They better be taking care of the cartel problem then because it's effecting us.

[Teppler]

Sorry pal, but your reasoning is lost in the 19th century and dated.

Also there was little difference in available weapons for civilians and the military at that time period (Revolutionary War). Small arms are not going to do anything to "defend my freedom" in contemporary times.

You may spin it all your liking, your logic is fundamentally flawed.

Let's put you in the position of someone rounding up people door to door.

Would you do it if you aren't sure if the household is armed or not?

This right here will show that you are wrong. Armed populations are a threat to elites. They inevitably try to exploit us as is their nature and we outnumber them as long as we are armed.

[Wonkie]

Who is going to say something?

lmao get out

[feniin]

You're not following your own narrative. Are any opioids with any strength free for anyone to buy legally? Try to avoid further pilpul here as I drag you back on topic.

I can legally go get pain killers from any doctor. Legalization can still feature control and regulation. If there was an easy way for people to get the medication (or mental/physical therapy), they wouldn't need street drugs.

[suptoofs]

Let's put you in the position of someone rounding up people door to door.

Would you do it if you aren't sure if the household is armed or not?

If I am going around rounding people up, there are larger problems at play. Again small arms will make little difference if we are living in a period where the hypothetical situation you are presenting is happening.

It wouldn't matter if the household is armed or not because I have more resources at my disposal to make me not consider that.

[Teppler]

I can legally go get pain killers from any doctor. Legalization can still feature control and regulation. If there was an easy way for people to get the medication (or mental/physical therapy), they wouldn't need street drugs.

Legally being able to get from your doctor is not the same as legally being able to go to a corner store and buy it for yourself.

Your doctors are supposed to advise you and they are supposed to be trained professionals guiding you on how to take these as medicines safely. And if they don't they have major liability. This is a system that is tracked, regulated and should be guided.

In this way it's kept safe and away from abusing. Is it a perfect system? No. But it largely stops the masses from getting addicted by trying to eyeball and figure things out themselves.

I can't believe I actually have to explain this stuff.

[Teppler]

If I am going around rounding people up, there are larger problems at play. Again small arms will make little difference if we are living in a period where the hypothetical situation you are presenting is happening.

It wouldn't matter if the household is armed or not because I have more resources at my disposal to make me not consider that.

WTF, answer the question.

Would you sign up to round up people from random households if you didn't know if those households were armed or not? That wouldn't be a very safe job. And I know tons of people in America that would need their guns pried from their dead hands.

You won't answer because the answer is no. You would not do that job. No one would because you wouldn't survive it.

It's also why elites don't want an armed population. Armed populations can talk back to the elites and pressure them.

[feniin]

Legally being able to get from your doctor is not the same as legally being able to go to a corner store and buy it for yourself.

Your doctors are supposed to advise you and they are supposed to be trained professionals guiding you on how to take these as medicines safely. And if they don't they have major liability. This is a system that is tracked, regulated and should be guided.

In this way it's kept safe and away from abusing. Is it a perfect system? No. But it largely stops the masses from getting addicted by trying to eyeball and figure things out themselves.

I can't believe I actually have to explain this stuff.

Do you understand how easy it is to get painkillers prescribed? Hell, they practically force them on you.

[feniin]

WTF, answer the question.

Would you sign up to round up people from random households if you didn't know if those households were armed or not? That wouldn't be a very safe job. And I know tons of people in America that would need their guns pried from their dead hands.

You won't answer because the answer is no. You would not do that job. No one would because you wouldn't survive it.

It's also why elites don't want an armed population. Armed populations can talk back to the elites and pressure them.

Directed energy weapons don't care about your shotgun.

[Mercius]

Do you understand how easy it is to get painkillers prescribed? Hell, they practically force them on you.

this is laughably untrue for anyone below the age of 50

[suptoofs]

WTF, answer the question.

Would you sign up to round up people from random households if you didn't know if those households were armed or not? That wouldn't be a very safe job. And I know tons of people in America that would need their guns pried from their dead hands.

You won't answer because the answer is no. You would not do that job. No one would because you wouldn't survive it.

It's also why elites don't want an armed population. Armed populations can talk back to the elites and pressure them.

I did answer the question. If we are living in a hypothetical period where this is happening I wouldn't care/consider/worry about raiding an armed house, because I have more resources to make me not consider caring that house is armed.

Here maybe this will be more easily understood by you - My guns are bigger and more organized than yours.

[Horza]

Legally being able to get from your doctor is not the same as legally being able to go to a corner store and buy it for yourself.

Your doctors are supposed to advise you and they are supposed to be trained professionals guiding you on how to take these as medicines safely. And if they don't they have major liability. This is a system that is tracked, regulated and should be guided.

In this way it's kept safe and away from abusing. Is it a perfect system? No. But it largely stops the masses from getting addicted by trying to eyeball and figure things out themselves.

I can't believe I actually have to explain this stuff.

https://i.imgur.com/f86kOjA.png

[Teppler]

I did answer the question. If we are living in a hypothetical period where this is happening I wouldn't care/consider/worry about raiding an armed house, because I have more resources to make me not consider caring that house is armed.

Here maybe this will be more easily understood by you - My guns are bigger and more organized than yours.

How old are you? Alive during the vietnam war? Are you aware we had much bigger and better guns than them and could not win?

[Teppler]

Directed energy weapons don't care about your shotgun.

Are you shooting these sci fi fantasy directed energy beams towards houses that you aren’t sure are hostile or not?

[Teppler]

Do you understand how easy it is to get painkillers prescribed? Hell, they practically force them on you.

If I'm an addict and I want to get opioids tonight, I can't get them and there's a major difference right there.

I went through this with a family member. He had a crooked doctor giving him subscriptions and we stopped that by threatening the doctor. They have liability and there are these actions you can take. Why do you want to fight so hard to destroy this safety net that has saved countless lives from drug addiction?

[feniin]

If I'm an addict and I want to get opioids tonight, I can't get them and there's a major difference right there.

I went through this with a family member. He had a crooked doctor giving him subscriptions and we stopped that by threatening the doctor. They have liability and there are these actions you can take. Why do you want to fight so hard to destroy this safety net that has saved countless lives from drug addiction?
Can't debate the topic; make shit up.


Come up with something else

[Horza]

If I'm an addict and I want to get opioids tonight, I can't get them and there's a major difference right there.

You most certainly can get opioids tonight, are you seriously that stupid?

[suptoofs]

How old are you? Alive during the vietnam war? Are you aware we had much bigger and better guns than them and could not win?

You were making a hypothetical prior to this about rounding people up in America.

Now you are making a comparison to a war that was in a completely different time period in a completely different geographic location with an entirely different objective.


The objective for both of these =/=

[Teppler]

Can't debate the topic; make shit up.


Come up with something else

Again you prove incapable of actually having a discussion as I reference a personal tragedy that occurred in my life. You show your ugliness by mocking.

[Teppler]

You were making a hypothetical prior to this about rounding people up in America.

Now you are making a comparison to a war that was in a completely different time period in a completely different geographic location with an entirely different objective.


The objective for both of these =/=

I used that hypothetical and you kept saying it wasn't relevant to you and you kept presenting another situation. So I'm going over that situation. Where you think bigger guns = win. History has shown that is very far from the fact which is why I question if you know your history.

[feniin]

Again you prove incapable of actually having a discussion as I reference a personal tragedy that occurred in my life. You show your ugliness by mocking.

It didn't happen, though. You don't just threaten a doctor and they magically stop forcing pills. That's not a real scenario.

[Horza]

which is why I question if you know your history.

I highly doubt anyone was systematically killed.

The US had concentration camps just like Germany for their foreign populations. The difference? The allies won the war and could continue to feed their prisoners. The axis were losing on multiple fronts and had supply lines cut off. The Germans couldn’t even feed their own soldiers by the end of the war let alone POWs. Any burning that happened had to do with disinfecting from typhus. Somehow that turned into propaganda about mass burnings alive.

Reality- Auschwitz "holocaust survivor" interviews, in their own words... watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDkqO1OKCc

Orchestras

Painting

Sports

Medical care

Ballet

Beer

Movie theaters

etc.

Was it a “extermination camp"? Or a POW camp where people died towards the end of the war due to starvation and disease? By all realistic accounts German POWs were treated extremely well by POW standards and they tried to keep them alive as long as possible. Hence why all the death pictures of them are skin and bones. Gassing a person doesn’t magically make you skin and bones. That’s what starving does and the Germans were cut off from supply lines. Same thing would of happened to US prisoners if we lost.

[suptoofs]

I used that hypothetical and you kept saying it wasn't relevant to you and you kept presenting another situation. So I'm going over that situation. Where you think bigger guns = win. History has shown that is very far from the fact which is why I question if you know your history.

In your hypothetical instance about rounding people are - Bigger guns = win

Bigger guns in a setting such as Vietnam does/did not ensure victory. Entirely different in pretty much every way, It isn't viable to use this as an assist in your argument.

You jumped track to an irrelevant point in your argument. I am not sure how failed strategy in Vietnam fits into a discussion about archaic gun laws in America. :confused:

[Teppler]

It didn't happen, though. You don't just threaten a doctor and they magically stop forcing pills. That's not a real scenario.

When you have a drug addict family member getting drugs from a doctor and he doesn't really need them, yes you do. And they are scared shit less from law suits. When you are a doctor and you have a patient that dies of prescription overdose you don't think there are questions asked about if the prescription was appropriate?

[feniin]

Decriminalize and regulate Heroin and Cocaine. Methamphetamine is already a controlled, prescribed substance. Loosen restrictions on these drugs.

Legalize cannabis, DMT, Psilocybin, LSD, etc.

Adults can make their own choices of what should be allowed in their body. Stop the puritanical bullshit.

[suptoofs]

BRB - going to pick up food. Willing to continue when I return though :)

[Teppler]

That's a position if you want a drug addicted degenerate society. People walking on the streets dazed on a heroin binge. Offering your children a hit of LSD. My position is I want something better.

[Horza]

Simply outlaw every shady doctor and all black market activity in the whole country, problem solved. :cool:

[feniin]

When you have a drug addict family member getting drugs from a doctor and he doesn't really need them, yes you do. And they are scared shit less from law suits. When you are a doctor and you have a patient that dies of prescription overdose you don't think there are questions asked about if the prescription was appropriate?

Grandfather has been prescribed morphine since 1980. Brother in law was addicted to heroin and oxycodone. I've been around painkillers my entire life. Your scenario is dubious at best. If that person is under your care, you find them a new doctor or blacklist the "bad" doctor with your insurance. If you aren't caring for them directly, let them make their own fucking choices.

[feniin]

That's a position if you want a drug addicted degenerate society. People walking on the streets dazed on a heroin binge. Offering your children a hit of LSD. My position is I want something better.

Have you ever been offered drugs? I've been all through city parks, big parties, trick or treating. Nobody has ever offered me free drugs.

[Teppler]

In your hypothetical instance about rounding people are - Bigger guns = win

Bigger guns in a setting such as Vietnam does/did not ensure victory. Entirely different in pretty much every way, It isn't viable to use this as an assist in your argument.

You jumped track to an irrelevant point in your argument. I am not sure how failed strategy in Vietnam fits into a discussion about archaic gun laws in America. :confused:

No. When rounding people up bigger guns =/= win. When rounding people up you have no idea who could unload on you. Bigger guns counts for like nothing.

[Teppler]

Have you ever been offered drugs? I've been all through city parks, big parties, trick or treating. Nobody has ever offered me free drugs.

We're not living in your ideal degenerate world yet where heroin is sold at walmart.

[galach]

Weekly reminder: Watch personal attacks on forum members. You can disagree with their opinion or view of politics/the world, but do not harass them.

[Domo]

I am not a big pro-drugs person, but if drugs would be legal and controlled by the state people would at laest know exactly what kind of drug they are taking and how strong it is.

Buying drugs of street is more dangerous then taking drugs, because you dont really know what exactly you're buying.


Take alcohol as example. Sometimes I like to enjoy a beer, but would I be forced to buy it illegal on the streets I might end up buying vodka and not beer.

My english sucks yada yada, but I hope you know what I am trying to say.

[Teppler]

Grandfather has been prescribed morphine since 1980. Brother in law was addicted to heroin and oxycodone. I've been around painkillers my entire life. Your scenario is dubious at best. If that person is under your care, you find them a new doctor or blacklist the "bad" doctor with your insurance. If you aren't caring for them directly, let them make their own fucking choices.

We're not talking about a child here. We're talking about an adult with his own insurance.

I really hope you don't that attitude with your son. It's a mistake. I took that position with my family member. At first I said, let him kill himself we can't help him. But my other family stuck by him and tried everything. While I argued to let him go and die, others showed me that was wrong and he's been amazing now for years. Hasn't relapsed since he got better. Even gave away his kidney to a stranger.

[feniin]

We're not living in your ideal degenerate world yet where heroin is sold at walmart.

It's a fear tactic you've been fed. Anyone who wants to do drugs will do them. Control manufacturing and quality, tax sales, offer physical and mental support. Why continue to fight a losing war against freedom of expression and control over an adult's body and mind?

[feniin]

We're not talking about a child here. We're talking about an adult with his own insurance.

I really hope you don't that attitude with your son. It's a mistake. I took that position with my family member. At first I said, let him kill himself we can't help him. But my other family stuck by him and tried everything. While I argued to let him go and die, others showed me that was wrong and he's been amazing now for years. Hasn't relapsed since he got better. Even gave away his kidney to a stranger.

And it all started because a doctor *pushed* a pain killer onto him, I bet, because the doctors get paid to write prescriptions.

[suptoofs]

No. When rounding people up bigger guns =/= win. When rounding people up you have no idea who could unload on you. Bigger guns counts for like nothing.

Sure it does and it did, look at Nazi Germany in WW2.

Literally this what Germany did in many countries and forced them into any of the type of camps that were operation.

I am 100% certain many of the homes had armed populace, however due to the Germans having "bigger guns", they succeeded.

Before you jump track again though, I do understand and know the conclusion of WW2.

Prior to multiple failed campaigns (Hitler's unparalleled intelligence and his strategy in trying to invade the Soviet Union, lol) while simultaneously wasting vast amount of personnel and resources in his "Final Solution" they were largely successful.

[feniin]

Dis gon' be good

[Teppler]

Sure it does and it did, look at Nazi Germany in WW2.

Literally this what Germany did in many countries and forced them into any of the type of camps that were operation.

I am 100% certain many of the homes had armed populace, however due to the Germans having "bigger guns", they succeeded.

Before you jump track again though, I do understand and know the conclusion of WW2.

Prior to multiple failed campaigns (Hitler's unparalleled intelligence and his strategy in trying to invade the Soviet Union, lol) while simultaneously wasting vast amount of personnel and resources in his "Final Solution" they were largely successful.

Is your claim that germany simply had bigger guns than the people they rounded up?

[suptoofs]

Me saying "bigger guns" was a metaphor bruv, I thought that was obvious from my earlier post. I'm willing to be more literal and concise if you'd like.

[Teppler]

Me saying "bigger guns" was a metaphor bruv, I thought that was obvious from my earlier post. I'm willing to be more literal and concise if you'd like.

:confused::confused::confused:

Please say exactly what you mean. Are you saying Nazi germany simply had bigger guns than the people they rounded up or something else?

[suptoofs]

If I am speaking in generalities, yes.

But here are a few reasons -

1) Technological advancements that outpaced other countries. Not just firepower, even though that was significant
2) Superior logistic systems - Specifically their communications in using short to medium range radio which enabled better cohesion between issuers of command.
3) Overall strategy (their strategy in dealing with the French's Maginot line being an example)
4) Gestapo/SS and their abilities to find people and collect information.

Truthfully I am stopping here. The fact that I have to explain how successful Nazi Germany was in rounding people up, is ridiculous.

[Teppler]

If I am speaking in generalities, yes.

But here are a few reasons -

1) Technological advancements that outpaced other countries. Not just firepower, even though that was significant
2) Superior logistic systems - Specifically their communications in using short to medium range radio which enabled better cohesion between issuers of command.
3) Overall strategy (their strategy in dealing with the French's Maginot line being an example)
4) Gestapo/SS and their abilities to find people and collect information.

Truthfully I am stopping here. The fact that I have to explain how successful Nazi Germany was in rounding people up, is ridiculous.

Brush up on ur history, bro. Germany famously disarmed their population before rounding them up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Nazi germany is actually a great argument for guns.

[wildstar]

Idk wtf you guys are going on about but whatevs


US-born 'ISIS bride' Hoda Muthana isn't an American citizen and can't come back, judge rules
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-born-isis-bride-isnt-an-american-citizen-and-cant-come-back-judge-rules

-Born here to non citizen parents
-Not a citizen
-No right to enter the country

Lol rekt

[suptoofs]

Brush up on ur history, bro. Germany famously disarmed their population before rounding them up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Nazi germany is actually a great argument for guns.

Here from your same link. Second paragraph.

A fringe theory, the Nazi gun control argument, posits that the disarmament of the Jews helped to facilitate the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust; fact-checkers have described this theory as "false" or "debunked".[2][3][4][5] Of course, the disarmament of the Jews and others the Nazis viewed as enemies of the state allowed for their subsequent arrest and property seizure to be a much less bloody process than it would have otherwise been and, therefore, limited public outcry. [2]

My point - It still wouldn't have mattered because "bigger guns". Also that was one branch of the tree in how Nazi Germany was successful. You are actually proving my point :)

[Teppler]

Let’s try and stick with facts here. Germany disarmed the public that it rounded up and if the public wasn’t disarmed this would have been a bloody process at the very least that would have made people rethink rounding others up.

[wildstar]

Let’s try and stick with facts here. Germany disarmed the public that it rounded up and if the public wasn’t disarmed this would have been a bloody process at the very least that would have made people rethink rounding others up.

The Bolsheviks also disarmed the populace once they got into power. Gee its like all socialists want to disarm people!

[Teppler]

The Bolsheviks also disarmed the populace once they got into power. Gee its like all socialists want to disarm people!

They are obsessed with it for a reason. Rest assured those elites are not interested in our general safety.

[feniin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng

This makes me understand and feel sorry for Teppler :(

https://innuendostudios.tumblr.com/post/180620496372

Transcript if you want to read it -- it's pretty accurate. Touches on every alt-right bullet point that Teppler and friends drone on about here.

[wildstar]

Nazism, fascism, and socialism are all rooted in communism.

Socialism can be viewed as political system and communism as the ideological system.

Similarly, fascism and nazism are ideological systems but all are socialism.

To say that right wing people SUPPORT SOCIALISM AT ALL makes me laugh every time

[feniin]

Nazism, fascism, and socialism are all rooted in communism.

Socialism can be viewed as political system and communism as the ideological system.

Similarly, fascism and nazism are ideological systems but all are socialism.

To say that right wing people SUPPORT SOCIALISM AT ALL makes me laugh every time
I don't think you understand anything about politics at all.

The history of fascism is one of atrocity followed by failure followed by disgrace, so modern fascists operate in a cycle of constant reinvention as they try to distance themselves from movements that came before. The ideology doesn’t change, but the rhetoric does, primarily by stealing rhetoric from the Left, because it’s, flatly, more popular. White nationalists calling themselves “identitarians” is an appropriation of progressive identity politics. The rhetoric of “white power” is an intentional bastardization of Black power movements. Even the Nazis, while installing a dictatorship, knew to call themselves socialists, and, despite German antifascism being formed predominantly by socialists and the first death camp being originally built to throw communists in, some people still believe this?

This appropriation of rhetoric is how each generation of fascists rebrands itself. “We’re not like those fascists who got hanged for what they did; we’re young, hip, and successful! Come back, baby, it’ll be different this time.”

[wildstar]

I don't think you understand anything about politics at all.

Likewise i think your view of politics is infantile and all you can do is do personal attacks evidence: this thread

[feniin]

Likewise i think your view of politics is infantile and all you can do is do personal attacks evidence: this thread

Oh, I'm the one doing personal attacks? How many threads are you and your friends dropping my name in? I'm the one on your lips, free rent in your psyche.

You're not capable of having a reasoned debate. Watch the video I linked. Tell me it's wrong.

[Teppler]

Posting that video itself was highly inflammatory. You’re calling us white fascists. Are you really here for discussion or to insult?

[feniin]

Posting that video itself was highly inflammatory. You’re calling us white fascists. Are you really here for discussion or to insult?

Watch the video. Listen to the content. It's all things you have said in this thread.

[Rader]

Likewise i think your view of politics is infantile and all you can do is do personal attacks evidence: this thread

This thread is full of tards, dude. It is pointless to engage, unless you are the idiot whisperer.

[Rader]

And to enlighten those conservatives or independents

The impeachment has nothing to do with Trump

The Dems would be doing this to President Kasich, if you doubt, review their treatment of RINOs McCain in 08 and Romney in 12

Borking, Kavanaughing, Trumping, Thomasing, it is all the same

Pile on the lies and demonize those who are not in the party

The final straw for me was when they started sniveling about defending Ukraine

Obuttmonkey denied them military aid, for no reason - actually, it was because he has no balls and worried that any kind of military intervention would somehow hurt his chances in the next election

Trump gave them military aid, and asked that they ask about misbehavior by the former VP's son. If any one doesn't have questions about why Hunter Biden got a 500k gig for no reason other than poppy was VP, you are truly clueless and a useful idiot for the dems

[feniin]

Congress passed a law to give Ukraine cash to defend against our common enemy. Trump signed that law. Trump and his personal lawyer, Giuliani, then, in direct opposition to our nation's stated policy, tried to hold up the money to force the Ukrainians to announce in public, an (to this date) unwarranted investigation into the Bidens while simultaneously dangling an Oval Office meeting as a payoff.

Sounds like bribery and extortion to me.

[wildstar]

"unwarranted investigation into the Bidens" lmao

[wildstar]

This thread is full of tards, dude. It is pointless to engage, unless you are the idiot whisperer.

Fair enough its just something to do though

[Wonkie]

Posting that video itself was highly inflammatory. You’re calling us white fascists. Are you really here for discussion or to insult?

still working the refs eh?

if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin :D

[Wonkie]

Obuttmonkey denied them military aid, for no reason - actually, it was because he has no balls and worried that any kind of military intervention would somehow hurt his chances in the next election


An invasion by Russia of the Ukrainian autonomous region of Crimea resulted in the annexation of Crimea by Russia on 18 March 2014.

[feniin]

An invasion by Russia of the Ukrainian autonomous region of Crimea resulted in the annexation of Crimea by Russia on 18 March 2014.

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good lie.

[Wonkie]

Let's not let facts get in the way of a good lie.

I don't think he's lying. The silence says the rest. ;)

[wildstar]

LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/qq46mnL.png

[Jimjam]

I want to backtrack, but Teppler you seem to be saying the main thing stopping you from 'rounding them up' is 'they' might have guns? Holy crap!

[Teppler]

I’m simply saying guns are an effective tool against a tyrannical government. And I will go further to say democracies don’t work unless the elites feel a threat from those under them that they could revolt. The idea of rounding people up door to door becomes next to impossible when you have an armed population because you will never know which household is armed and dangerous or not.

[Jimjam]

You just look at their smart ads and drone strike them.

'Gas explosion' cover up.

As if you start door to door round ups with no prior research.

[Domo]

I’m simply saying guns are an effective tool against a tyrannical government. And I will go further to say democracies don’t work unless the elites feel a threat from those under them that they could revolt. The idea of rounding people up door to door becomes next to impossible when you have an armed population because you will never know which household is armed and dangerous or not.

Sounds like a paranoid fear from the past.

or the wish for a "roamtic war" to feel usefull once in life

[Teppler]

You just look at their smart ads and drone strike them.

'Gas explosion' cover up.

As if you start door to door round ups with no prior research.

Think about the feasibility of what you are suggesting. A tyrannical government is fearful of some of its citizens. It doesn’t know exactly who could pop off. They are drone striking homes that are simply high probability?

[Teppler]

Sounds like a paranoid fear from the past.

or the wish for a "roamtic war" to feel usefull once in life

Better than being a lulled cuck in the present.

[Jimjam]

Think about the feasibility of what you are suggesting. A tyrannical government is fearful of some of its citizens. It doesn’t know exactly who could pop off. They are drone striking homes that are simply high probability?

Think of the feasibility of what you are suggesting.

A tyrannical government is going to send a single p99 poster around a neighbourhood to blindly 'round up' 'people'.

Firstly, that's never going to happen. Such an operation would have WAY more intel on its targets than just knocking on doors and asking if the occupants are dissidents. The government forces would know where to expect targets and where to expect resistance.

Secondly, the people doing the rounding up are going to be viewed as disposable by the government, either as mercenaries or fanatics.

Thirdly, there have been plenty of rounding ups resulting in massed murders in countries where there are very limited gun controls. The idea that a resident and his hand gun is going to stop your tyrannical government and their lackeys from rounding up whoever they please is nothing short of a diversionary fantasy.

[feniin]

Think of the feasibility of what you are suggesting.

A tyrannical government is going to send a single p99 poster around a neighbourhood to blindly 'round up' 'people'.

Firstly, that's never going to happen. Such an operation would have WAY more intel on its targets than just knocking on doors and asking if the occupants are dissidents. The government forces would know where to expect targets and where to expect resistance.

Secondly, the people doing the rounding up are going to be viewed as disposable by the government, either as mercenaries or fanatics.

Thirdly, there have been plenty of rounding ups resulting in massed murders in countries where there are very limited gun controls. The idea that a resident and his hand gun is going to stop your tyrannical government and their lackeys from rounding up whoever they please is nothing short of a diversionary fantasy.

Let's not let facts and reality get in the way of a good gun stroking fantasy, though.

There seems to be this idea by the alt-right that guns are the only way to freedom.

[wildstar]

Lol people on social media crack me up. "its not a transcript! give us the transcript reeeeeee" Like god damn they DO NOT record presidential calls anymore literal low iq brainlets. At most they have someone there typing it all out like at a court hearing.

[feniin]

Lol people on social media crack me up. "its not a transcript! give us the transcript reeeeeee" Like god damn they DO NOT record presidential calls anymore literal low iq brainlets. At most they have someone there typing it all out like at a court hearing.

Computers automatically transcribe the words. Hope that helps.

[suptoofs]

Think of the feasibility of what you are suggesting.

A tyrannical government is going to send a single p99 poster around a neighbourhood to blindly 'round up' 'people'.

Firstly, that's never going to happen. Such an operation would have WAY more intel on its targets than just knocking on doors and asking if the occupants are dissidents. The government forces would know where to expect targets and where to expect resistance.

Secondly, the people doing the rounding up are going to be viewed as disposable by the government, either as mercenaries or fanatics.

Thirdly, there have been plenty of rounding ups resulting in massed murders in countries where there are very limited gun controls. The idea that a resident and his hand gun is going to stop your tyrannical government and their lackeys from rounding up whoever they please is nothing short of a diversionary fantasy.


I'm glad someone understands. It really isn't abstract science, however people are so deep rooted in their own misguided opinions that they can't see past them.

[feniin]

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/roger-stone-convicted-on-all-seven-counts-on-charges-filed-in-mueller-probe/

THE BEST PEOPLE.

[feniin]

https://i.imgur.com/Qub45aU.png

[Teppler]

Think of the feasibility of what you are suggesting.

A tyrannical government is going to send a single p99 poster around a neighbourhood to blindly 'round up' 'people'.

Firstly, that's never going to happen. Such an operation would have WAY more intel on its targets than just knocking on doors and asking if the occupants are dissidents. The government forces would know where to expect targets and where to expect resistance.

Secondly, the people doing the rounding up are going to be viewed as disposable by the government, either as mercenaries or fanatics.

Thirdly, there have been plenty of rounding ups resulting in massed murders in countries where there are very limited gun controls. The idea that a resident and his hand gun is going to stop your tyrannical government and their lackeys from rounding up whoever they please is nothing short of a diversionary fantasy.

Very sad pilpul Jim.

It doesn't matter how much intel you have when people are riding on emotion at the very moment you arrive at their doors. You can never be totally sure what someone is capable of doing. You can't just murder all your citizens either. You might also have intel someone has guns, then he gives them to his friend. Then what?

People won't do the job if there's a high chance of getting murdered. At the very least you can explore the relationship that it becomes much harder to round people up if you unsure if people are armed.

[Jimjam]

Please speak English.

[suptoofs]

People won't do the job if there's a high chance of getting murdered.

Explain the job of an active duty soldier in any military. You are literally signing up for a job that has a high chance of getting killed.

[Wonkie]

Please speak English.

I think this argument started from a school shooting happening. Weird where it's gone and how quickly.

[suptoofs]

People won't do the job if there's a high chance of getting murdered.

Explain the job of an active duty police officer. You are literally signing up for a job that has a high chance of getting killed.

[Zeboim]

"""""""""High""""""""""" chance.

Pretty sure electrical workers have a higher fatality rate than cops.

[Teppler]

Explain the job of an active duty police officer. You are literally signing up for a job that has a high chance of getting killed.

.01% cops are killed on the job.

[feniin]

Teppler is moving the goal posts because he can't defend his position.

[feniin]

Trump's campaign chair: convicted felon

Trump's deputy campaign chair: convicted felon

Trump's foreign policy adviser: convicted felon

Trump's national security adviser: convicted felon

Trump's personal lawyer: convicted felon

Trump's longstanding political adviser: convicted felon

[Zeboim]

The best people, folks.

[suptoofs]

.01% cops are killed on the job.

That is not at all the point, and you know this.

They are applying for a job knowing full well that they have a high chance of being killed in action.

The same for soldiers in the military, but you evaded and ignored that post.

You quote "people won't do the job if there's a high chance of getting murdered."

Sorry but reality completely negates and contradicts your inane claim.

[Teppler]

Could be worse. You could be a democrat and literally support pedophiles and murderers.

[Teppler]

That is not at all the point, and you know this.

They are applying for a job knowing full well that they have a high chance of being killed in action.

The same for soldiers in the military, but you evaded and ignored that post.

You quote "people won't do the job if there's a high chance of getting murdered."

Sorry but reality completely negates and contradicts your inane claim.

I would consider being a cop.

I would never consider going door to door to round people up if they are potentially hostile and with guns. The more guns out there, the more I wouldn’t want to do it.

Simple relationship there.

[BallzDeep]

Think of the feasibility of what you are suggesting.

A tyrannical government is going to send a single p99 poster around a neighbourhood to blindly 'round up' 'people'.

Firstly, that's never going to happen. Such an operation would have WAY more intel on its targets than just knocking on doors and asking if the occupants are dissidents. The government forces would know where to expect targets and where to expect resistance.

Secondly, the people doing the rounding up are going to be viewed as disposable by the government, either as mercenaries or fanatics.

Thirdly, there have been plenty of rounding ups resulting in massed murders in countries where there are very limited gun controls. The idea that a resident and his hand gun is going to stop your tyrannical government and their lackeys from rounding up whoever they please is nothing short of a diversionary fantasy.

Sadly this is where cognitive dissonance takes place. You must not do a lot of history research or understand gun laws at all.

If you are a private citizen and have a CHL in the state of Texas, there is no law that requires you to submit a gun for any registry. They have absolutely no idea how many guns are out there. People can also sell private individual to private individual. Thus, you now can't even track guns you knew where they used to be.

When Sheriff's have been asked to do round ups when Beto was voicing his opinion. A large majority were telling him to go fuck himself. Majority of the police and military are on the side of the idea of the second amendment and that doesn't only apply to muskets like some idiot here stated. The sheriffs stated that it would be an open suicide mission because they don't want their officers fighting citizens over a right to defend themselves. It would cause more violence then mass shootings.

On your third point. You are completely neglecting that we are a country that came from a Tyrannical government and was overthrown by allowing citizens to own firearms. Since they had seen what tyrannical governments are capable of over an individual, they realized that individual freedoms trump the government. A mass shooter can kill maybe hundreds of people, a government can kill millions.

If it were ever to come down to people having to defend their civil liberties, you would quickly find that majority of the police and military would be on the side of the civilians (they want to own firearms as civilians as well) and it wouldn't be a lopsided battle for the citizens to regain the upper hand since there are as many guns in the US as people.

No government is going to immediately drone strike their people otherwise they would get the same treatment as the uproar from the boston massacre.

[feniin]

Could be worse. You could be a democrat and literally support pedophiles and murderers.

Yeah man. Hypothetical Boogeymen vs actual convicted criminals. Totally.

[BallzDeep]

I like the 2nd amendment sanctuary cities cuz it exploits the same states rights type baloney regular sanctuary cities do. It's a good retort to openly donning the Grey. :D

Also weed

Except one is in the bill of rights but yeah.

[suptoofs]

I would consider being a cop.

I would never consider going door to door to round people up if they are potentially hostile and with guns. The more guns out there, the more I wouldn’t want to do it.

Simple relationship there.

You have a bad habit of jumping track and again, that is not the point.

I'm not asking your personal opinion on what you would do.

We are attempting to establish the whether or not "people would sign up for a job knowing full well they might be killed due to that job.

Military, police officers, fire fighters, linemen, loggers. The list goes on bud.

[BallzDeep]

You have a bad habit of jumping track and again, that is not the point.

I'm not asking your personal opinion on what you would do.

We are attempting to establish the whether or not "people would sign up for a job knowing full well they might be killed due to that job.

Military, police officers, fire fighters, linemen, loggers. The list goes on bud.

To be honest, I feel like the point Teppler is trying to make is not that they give a shit about getting murdered (maybe some) but moreover, a large percentage of those occupations strongly disagree with your premise.

[feniin]

Guns are for people who don't know how to defend themselves or their viewpoints otherwise.

Can we get back to the topic at hand: Your cult is falling apart. More of the criminals are going to jail.

[BallzDeep]

Guns are for people who don't know how to defend themselves or their viewpoints otherwise.

Can we get back to the topic at hand: Your cult is falling apart. More of the criminals are going to jail.

If Trump goes to trial and the trial ends in impeachment, we can talk about that.

Until then I want to hear your dumb logic about guns and how you are alive today and living in this country that fought for you freedom with guns and you are calling them a coward.

Failed logic. Criminal has a gun. Criminal holds up law abiding citizen and shoots him in front of his son. Son now wants to own a gun to defend himself. You are saying he is wrong. You are a dumbass.

[BallzDeep]

Huh? Federal supremacy. It's an interesting bit to relitigate the conflict divorced from the context of humans as property.

Guess I am not following you but the point was that you shouldn't need sanctuary cities with guns because it is already under the Supremacy Clause. Majority of the other things such as weed or anything else are luxuries that are not protected. But if ask my opinion on weed or other things, I completely agree it should be state rights.

But not only that majority of states have state laws as well that protect the right to bear arms.

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/statecon.htm

[Teppler]

You have a bad habit of jumping track and again, that is not the point.

I'm not asking your personal opinion on what you would do.

We are attempting to establish the whether or not "people would sign up for a job knowing full well they might be killed due to that job.

Military, police officers, fire fighters, linemen, loggers. The list goes on bud.

Lol am I not a person?

[Wonkie]

Guess I am not following you but the point was that you shouldn't need sanctuary cities with guns because it is already under the Supremacy Clause. Majority of the other things such as weed or anything else are luxuries that are not protected. But if ask my opinion on weed or other things, I completely agree it should be state rights.

But not only that majority of states have state laws as well that protect the right to bear arms.

http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/beararms/statecon.htm

You're right that one is more valid.

Balkanization in all but name. 🙃

[feniin]

The Constitution is a living document that should be amended to reflect changes in society. We're beyond the need for private citizens to own guns.

[suptoofs]

The Constitution is a living document that should be amended to reflect changes in society. We're beyond the need for private citizens to own guns.

While I agree with the first part of this, I am not in agreement about private citizens not owning guns.

Truthfully I am not for gun control. I believe in the context and in the sense of a being a collector that anything in the realm of warfare should be open to for ownership in a private collection or used in a way that doesn't condone violence (target shooting etc...). I do understand firearms and items of warfare were made specifically for violence and killing, but I think you understand the point I am making.

However, that being said, gun control is ABSOLUTELY necessary due to human nature. We are pieces of shit and cannot be relied on to do the right thing.

[feniin]

Private gun ownership for collections (non-operational guns) or target shooting (guns are retained at the range in a safe, ammo is tracked) would be okay, maybe. Just can't trust ammosexuals to abide by those rules.

[Jimjam]

Sadly this is where cognitive dissonance takes place. You must not do a lot of history research or understand gun laws at all.

If you are a private citizen and have a CHL in the state of Texas, there is no law that requires you to submit a gun for any registry. They have absolutely no idea how many guns are out there. People can also sell private individual to private individual. Thus, you now can't even track guns you knew where they used to be.

When Sheriff's have been asked to do round ups when Beto was voicing his opinion. A large majority were telling him to go fuck himself. Majority of the police and military are on the side of the idea of the second amendment and that doesn't only apply to muskets like some idiot here stated. The sheriffs stated that it would be an open suicide mission because they don't want their officers fighting citizens over a right to defend themselves. It would cause more violence then mass shootings.

On your third point. You are completely neglecting that we are a country that came from a Tyrannical government and was overthrown by allowing citizens to own firearms. Since they had seen what tyrannical governments are capable of over an individual, they realized that individual freedoms trump the government. A mass shooter can kill maybe hundreds of people, a government can kill millions.

If it were ever to come down to people having to defend their civil liberties, you would quickly find that majority of the police and military would be on the side of the civilians (they want to own firearms as civilians as well) and it wouldn't be a lopsided battle for the citizens to regain the upper hand since there are as many guns in the US as people.

No government is going to immediately drone strike their people otherwise they would get the same treatment as the uproar from the boston massacre.

I want to point out, I'm not actually anti-civilian guns, I'm just disputing some of the points Tepplar is using to support his position.

The Tyranny was overthrown as 1) the revolution supported by another, antimonarchist, super empire. 2) The Tyranny thought the long term strategic move was to protect 'spice' colonies rather than 'sugar' so didn't invest in securing the sugar colony as much as it could. 3) The Tyranny believed it could still protect it's interests in the sugar colony without direct governance.

Furthermore, 'allowing the people to own firearms' was irrelevant to overthrowing the government: they were going to have firearms regardless of whether it was allowed or not, especially as the revolution was supported by a foreign superpower (props to La France for inspiring so much modern American foreign policy).

Historically revolutions need to either subvert the army, or have extensive support from a foreign power. Perhaps with the communication opportunities provided by the internet that will change and a few scattered militia with civilian grade fire arms can stand up to a tyranny, but I doubt it.

[Teppler]

I want to point out, I'm not actually anti-civilian guns, I'm just disputing some of the points Tepplar is using to support his position.

The Tyranny was overthrown as 1) the revolution supported by another, antimonarchist, super empire. 2) The Tyranny thought the long term strategic move was to protect 'spice' colonies rather than 'sugar' so didn't invest in securing the sugar colony as much as it could. 3) The Tyranny believed it could still protect it's interests in the sugar colony without direct governance.

Furthermore, 'allowing the people to own firearms' was irrelevant to overthrowing the government: they were going to have firearms regardless of whether it was allowed or not, especially as the revolution was supported by a foreign superpower (props to La France for inspiring so much modern American foreign policy).

Historically revolutions need to either subvert the army, or have extensive support from a foreign power. Perhaps with the communication opportunities provided by the internet that will change and a few scattered militia with civilian grade fire arms can stand up to a tyranny, but I doubt it.

Imagine if the colonies weren’t armed and didn’t revolt. Would there be an America? The answer is no.

Would you go door to door if there’s a 50% chance you die? How about 25%? When you start answering these question you realize that those stats completely and utterly matter and less people are willing to go door to door if society is armed and dangerous towards them.

You are clearly wrong on all accounts.

[Zeboim]

There is no such thing as attempted bribery.

Just because your bribery fails does not make it not illegal. Making the offer at all makes it Bribery regardless of what the other side says, like robbing a bank.

That the GOP is using this defense right now is insanity.

[feniin]

There is no such thing as attempted bribery.

Just because your bribery fails does not make it not illegal. Making the offer at all makes it Bribery regardless of what the other side says, like robbing a bank.

That the GOP is using this defense right now is insanity.

Wouldn't expect anything less.

[Teppler]

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/11/15/mccarthy-says-some-democrats-are-considering-changing-parties-over-trump-impeachment-scam/

“I had a Democrat come to me, he even questioned whether he should stay a Democrat or he should reregister. He said this not the party that I know and he said these individuals in the direction that they’re going is totally wrong,” McCarthy told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Wednesday.

Yikes for the democrats

[Wonkie]

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/11/15/mccarthy-says-some-democrats-are-considering-changing-parties-over-trump-impeachment-scam/

“I had a Democrat come to me, he even questioned whether he should stay a Democrat or he should reregister. He said this not the party that I know and he said these individuals in the direction that they’re going is totally wrong,” McCarthy told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Wednesday.

Yikes for the democrats

Did this take place in a hipster coffee shop? :rolleyes:

[Teppler]

Did this take place in a hipster coffee shop? :rolleyes:

" CNN reports that in a private meeting this week, top Democrats conceded that the polls on impeachment were unlikely to shift, and that their basic message is failing to break through for huge swaths of Americans. This is very close to admitting that their ultimate goal, of removing president Trump from office will not be achieved. "

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/15/democrats-concede-their-impeachment-argument-is-failing/

Im sorry your impeachment sham is failing.

[feniin]

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/11/15/mccarthy-says-some-democrats-are-considering-changing-parties-over-trump-impeachment-scam/

“I had a Democrat come to me, he even questioned whether he should stay a Democrat or he should reregister. He said this not the party that I know and he said these individuals in the direction that they’re going is totally wrong,” McCarthy told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Wednesday.

Yikes for the democrats

Oh yeah, that DEFINITELY happened.

[feniin]

" CNN reports that in a private meeting this week, top Democrats conceded that the polls on impeachment were unlikely to shift, and that their basic message is failing to break through for huge swaths of Americans. This is very close to admitting that their ultimate goal, of removing president Trump from office will not be achieved. "

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/15/democrats-concede-their-impeachment-argument-is-failing/

Im sorry your impeachment sham is failing.

Sorry that Impeachment is 100% happening.

[Wonkie]

" CNN reports that in a private meeting this week, top Democrats conceded that the polls on impeachment were unlikely to shift, and that their basic message is failing to break through for huge swaths of Americans. This is very close to admitting that their ultimate goal, of removing president Trump from office will not be achieved. "

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/15/democrats-concede-their-impeachment-argument-is-failing/

Im sorry your impeachment sham is failing.

This is very close to admitting that their ultimate goal, of removing president Trump from office will not be achieved.

Invalid thesis. Not dialectical.

[feniin]

And holy shit, if that's the type of news Teppler gets, no wonder he's so intolerant. What a load of fear mongering shit The Federalist is.

[Wonkie]

And holy shit, if that's the type of news Teppler gets, no wonder he's so intolerant. What a load of fear mongering shit The Federalist is.

They will have a day or two to celebrate with the base the symbolic victory of impeaching Trump,

Hoist!

[feniin]

What would this thread even look like with everyone blocked?!

Edit: Aww, mblake deleted his picture.

[Teppler]

Can anyone explain the crimes Roger Stone was convicted of in plain English?

[Teppler]

We should have a daily thank liberals post. Allow me to start-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/10/09/knowingly-infecting-others-with-hiv-is-no-longer-a-felony-in-california-advocates-say-it-targeted-sex-workers/?utm_term=.296ce6567b16

Thanks liberals.

[Domo]

Dunno (yet), but it seems like Nixon is going to jail now