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Can you find those quotes on a credible site?
Do your own research for a change, you might learn something.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:04 PM
Who said it was a baby. His kids may be already weaned. After breast feeding there is no difference in parenting.
Kid is 3. Has been with me since he was 6 months when I decided to leave my job so my wife could focus on her career which was more fulfilling than mine. Not that it matters. My kid is smarter and more empathetic than shitforbrains BallzDeep anyway. Sad fuck he is.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:05 PM
Do your own research for a change, you might learn something.
Stop peddling your conspiracy theories and treason here.
Kid is 3. Has been with me since he was 6 months when I decided to leave my job so my wife could focus on her career which was more fulfilling than mine. Not that it matters. My kid is smarter and more empathetic than shitforbrains BallzDeep anyway. Sad fuck he is.
Written like a true "tolerant" liberal. Well done.
Stop peddling your conspiracy theories and treason here.
That's why I said you won't click on it. See, you're not interested in researching the truth, you're only concern is staying within your fake news world-view. ;)
Jimjam
11-21-2019, 01:07 PM
Anyone who believes there's a deep state controlling the government is probably mentally handicapped.
I can actually believe there are powerful elements in government bodies that do not cycle regularly, so would be feasible to influence media and policy in a deep state way.
That said, when I used to occasionally watch Fox it would broadcast so many lies or misleading reports (that from my own knowlege or experience i knew were untrue).
I think it is really clever what they did. They create narratives people want to hear and use them to leverage the agenda of those behind Fox. However, their narratives were at odds with most other news outlets because of this. Creating a label for what they were doing, then using it as a way to attack other sources wasn't great.
Whats the chances one media outlet is right if dozens of independent outlets tell a differing story? It would be one hell of a coincidence for everyone else to be wrong. And here is where the real genius lies: they remove the coincidence, and cement their own position, with the simple explainstion 'the other providers are all controlled by a singular malevolent invisible entity'. And so the idea of deepstate media was born.
So yea, basically I believe 'deep state' was a bogeyman created by Fox to explain why the majority of outlets spin stories very differently to the Fox method. Smart.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:09 PM
Deep State is a redhat dog whistle for Jews.
The real shadow government is the money flowing into Congress and the white house through super pacs and untraceable donations. There's no political figures behind the scenes controlling the CIA/FBI/NSA. Anyone believing that probably thinks the X-Files was a documentary.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:11 PM
That's why I said you won't click on it. See, you're not interested in researching the truth, you're only concern is staying within your fake news world-view. ;)
Why would I bother to read obvious lies? Look at how the cultists are reporting on the impeachment inquiry. My neck can't handle that much spin.
Deep State is a redhat dog whistle for Jews.
Wow. If that's not a violation of forum rules, it's close.
I feel sad for you. You have so much hate.
BallzDeep
11-21-2019, 01:12 PM
Who said it was a baby. His kids may be already weaned. After breast feeding there is no difference in parenting.
Because he acted as if his wife was career driven and it was understood he would take on the role of stay at home dad. If that weren't true, then what would your opinion be?
I'm not sexist at all, I believe there is no law limiting a women from what a man can achieve. Everything is a choice. You can choose to have a child or you can't. If you are career driven as a women, you are career driven. If you choose to have a child, a mother offers valuable growth to a child throughout his youth. Both are important but it even goes back to the philosophy of nature vs nurture. This has been historically written about since the end of time which almost every religion, philosophy, etc. It's been learned from mammals and several other. Yes, it is possible to raise with a father but the outcome creates variance and goes against what has worked for a very long time.
I know Feniin thinks anyone who is doing something new or edgy is right but that isn't the case. Modern world ideas aren't always good.
If anything I think women are empowered by the only gender that have the right to birth a child and we should cherish that.
BallzDeep
11-21-2019, 01:14 PM
Pew Research on Stay at Home Dads:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/06/05/growing-number-of-dads-home-with-the-kids/
Stay-at-home fathers are less well-off financially and have lower educational attainment than their working counterparts. At-home fathers are twice as likely to lack a high school diploma as working fathers (22% vs. 10%). And almost half (47%) of stay-at-home fathers are living in poverty, compared with 8% of working fathers. This poverty figure is even higher than among stay-at-home mothers (34% of whom are in poverty), and may be due, in part, to the fact that stay-at-home fathers are far less likely to have a working spouse than stay-at-home mothers (50% vs. 68%) and are more likely to be ill or disabled than stay-at-home mothers (35% vs. 11%).
If Feniin want's to lump all Republicans or Trump supporters under one hat, I'd like to lump all stay at home dads.
Mblake81
11-21-2019, 01:16 PM
Aaaaand this thread has taken the usual stone age direction.
Im out. This whole thing should be in rants and flames. Embarassing.
I swear one day our kids will find our old threads and groan.
Shove a kotex in it.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:17 PM
Because he acted as if his wife was career driven and it was understood he would take on the role of stay at home dad. If that weren't true, then what would your opinion be?
I'm not sexist at all, I believe there is no law limiting a women from what a man can achieve. Everything is a choice. You can choose to have a child or you can't. If you are career driven as a women, you are career driven. If you choose to have a child, a mother offers valuable growth to a child throughout his youth. Both are important but it even goes back to the philosophy of nature vs nurture. This has been historically written about since the end of time which almost every religion, philosophy, etc. It's been learned from mammals and several other. Yes, it is possible to raise with a father but the outcome creates variance and goes against what has worked for a very long time.
I know Feniin thinks anyone who is doing something new or edgy is right but that isn't the case. Modern world ideas aren't always good.
If anything I think women are empowered by the only gender that have the right to birth a child and we should cherish that.
Says he's not sexist, decides to go on a sexist rant.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:19 PM
Pew Research on Stay at Home Dads:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/06/05/growing-number-of-dads-home-with-the-kids/
Stay-at-home fathers are less well-off financially and have lower educational attainment than their working counterparts. At-home fathers are twice as likely to lack a high school diploma as working fathers (22% vs. 10%). And almost half (47%) of stay-at-home fathers are living in poverty, compared with 8% of working fathers. This poverty figure is even higher than among stay-at-home mothers (34% of whom are in poverty), and may be due, in part, to the fact that stay-at-home fathers are far less likely to have a working spouse than stay-at-home mothers (50% vs. 68%) and are more likely to be ill or disabled than stay-at-home mothers (35% vs. 11%).
If Feniin want's to lump all Republicans or Trump supporters under one hat, I'd like to lump all stay at home dads.
Except I have a college degree and my pay covers the mortgage. It's not what I was making when I was working 200 hours or more every month but it's a hell of a lot better for my family. How's that love life? Still an incel?
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 01:25 PM
Good content today guys 👍
Jimjam
11-21-2019, 01:34 PM
Deep State is a redhat dog whistle for Jews.
The real shadow government is the money flowing into Congress and the white house through super pacs and untraceable donations. There's no political figures behind the scenes controlling the CIA/FBI/NSA. Anyone believing that probably thinks the X-Files was a documentary.
Sounds analagous to the situation in Europe where it is claimed unelected bureaucrats run the show and supercede nationstate sovereignty, when in fact most of the 'problems' blamed on Europe are actual domestic issues resulting from opaque corporate meddling / national government decisions that was then scapegoated on to the EU.
'Deep government' ~ 'unelected european bureaucrats'?
Jimjam
11-21-2019, 01:37 PM
Pew Research on Stay at Home Dads:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/06/05/growing-number-of-dads-home-with-the-kids/
Stay-at-home fathers are less well-off financially and have lower educational attainment than their working counterparts. At-home fathers are twice as likely to lack a high school diploma as working fathers (22% vs. 10%). And almost half (47%) of stay-at-home fathers are living in poverty, compared with 8% of working fathers. This poverty figure is even higher than among stay-at-home mothers (34% of whom are in poverty), and may be due, in part, to the fact that stay-at-home fathers are far less likely to have a working spouse than stay-at-home mothers (50% vs. 68%) and are more likely to be ill or disabled than stay-at-home mothers (35% vs. 11%).
If Feniin want's to lump all Republicans or Trump supporters under one hat, I'd like to lump all stay at home dads.
This is pretty contingent with the highest potential earning partner will be the worker, ie its likely that in any 'stay at home dad' partnership the father is likely to be less educated than the mother, even if it is dentist vs neurosurgeon?
suptoofs
11-21-2019, 01:43 PM
Two Former CIA Directors Admit: ‘Thank God for Deep State’ Involvement Pushing Impeachment (https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/10/31/two-former-cia-directors-admit-thank-god-for-deep-state-involvement-pushing-impeachment/)
Redstate.com? LOL my sides.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:51 PM
Redstate.com? LOL my sides.
Yeah, that's pretty much how anyone with a functioning brain should react to those links.
May as well be RT or Breitbart. Hell, just go ahead and link your Stormfront user handle while you're at it.
Redstate.com? LOL my sides.
My bad. I forgot you liberals are fake news only.
Here's video from C-SPAN:
User Clip: John McLaughlin - Thank God for the Deep State (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4826847/user-clip-john-mclaughlin-god-deep-state)
John McLaughlin - "Thank God for the Deep State"
Yeah, that's pretty much how anyone with a functioning brain should react to those links.
May as well be RT or Breitbart. Hell, just go ahead and link your Stormfront user handle while you're at it.
You poor thing. All caught up in fake news and you have no clue. ;)
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:54 PM
My bad. I forgot you liberals are fake news only.
Here's video from C-SPAN:
User Clip: John McLaughlin - Thank God for the Deep State (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4826847/user-clip-john-mclaughlin-god-deep-state)
John McLaughlin - "Thank God for the Deep State"
If you couldn't catch that it was tongue in cheek... Oof.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:54 PM
You poor thing. All caught up in fake news and you have no clue. ;)
I've never watched cable news. :confused:
If you couldn't catch that it was tongue in cheek... Oof.
Mocking reality and truth is tongue in cheek?
You're so lost in your own little fake reality that you make no sense.
Now, go on with spewing hate for races and religions, don't let me distract you.
I've never watched cable news. :confused:
Riiiight. Hahaha.
You must be related to Ted Kaczynski.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:58 PM
Riiiight. Hahaha.
You must be related to Ted Kaczynski.
Haven't had cable in nearly 10 years. Not sure what agenda your backwards ass is pushing.
feniin
11-21-2019, 01:59 PM
Mocking reality and truth is tongue in cheek?
You're so lost in your own little fake reality that you make no sense.
Now, go on with spewing hate for races and religions, don't let me distract you.
He was saying it sarcastically. Holy shit. If you think he was admitting there was a deep state... I've got this beautiful bridge for sale. One of a kind.
He was saying it sarcastically. Holy shit. If you think he was admitting there was a deep state... I've got this beautiful bridge for sale. One of a kind.
Yeah, I get that lol.
You are dense. :confused:
feniin
11-21-2019, 02:02 PM
Yeah, I get that lol.
You are dense. :confused:
So, can we all collectively chuckle at your weird deep state bullshit you keep peddling?
Haven't had cable in nearly 10 years. Not sure what agenda your backwards ass is pushing.
I've never watched cable news. :confused:
That's a lie. And you know it.
So, can we all collectively chuckle at your weird deep state bullshit you keep peddling?
Just because you ignore factual information doesn't make you correct, it makes you a willfully ignorant tool. ;)
feniin
11-21-2019, 02:03 PM
That's a lie. And you know it.
Oh, I've seen a few episodes of shows, but I'm not a cult member like yourself.
feniin
11-21-2019, 02:04 PM
Just because you ignore factual information doesn't make you correct, it makes you a willfully ignorant tool. ;)
Can you go ahead and produce some facts about the "deep state"? Who is the leader? What is their goal? Why do they hate Trump?
suptoofs
11-21-2019, 02:06 PM
Can you go ahead and produce some facts about the "deep state"? Who is the leader? What is their goal? Why do they hate Trump?
George Soros, duh!
LOL my sides x2
Kaveh
11-21-2019, 02:22 PM
Who said it was a baby. His kids may be already weaned. After breast feeding there is no difference in parenting.
Yes there is weirdo. Seek Christ
Fatherhood is dope. I tell my sons get your shit together or bring the fucking pain, whereas I have conversations with my daughter about the nature of the world and to never trust anyone who isn’t Aryan
feniin
11-21-2019, 02:27 PM
Yes there is weirdo. Seek Christ
Fatherhood is dope. I tell my sons get your shit together or bring the fucking pain, whereas I have conversations with my daughter about the nature of the world and to never trust anyone who isn’t Aryan
People talking shit about a father raising his kids are super fucking insecure and probably don't know any love in their life.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 04:31 PM
aww shucks..
California can’t force Donald Trump to release tax returns, state Supreme Court rules
(https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article237248624.html)
https://i.imgur.com/tkw0mTZ.gif
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 04:34 PM
People talking shit about a father raising his kids are super fucking insecure and probably don't know any love in their life.
100% agree
Kaveh
11-21-2019, 04:38 PM
aww shucks..
California can’t force Donald Trump to release tax returns, state Supreme Court rules
(https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article237248624.html)
https://i.imgur.com/tkw0mTZ.gif
? Why shouldn’t he though? Every other president did
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 04:43 PM
Why is Demings always so shiny?
feniin
11-21-2019, 04:55 PM
Why is Demings always so shiny?
Glorious Orlando glow.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 05:35 PM
? Why shouldn’t he though? Every other president did
They did so voluntarily. Compelling candidates to do anything/something (in this case, release tax returns), in order to get on the (now open primary) ballot, is in direct conflict with the CA Constitution.
https://i.imgur.com/Fzcq0PJ.png
I'd imagine it could be argued to be in violation of the 14th amendment of the US constitution as well. The biggest loss here, is that precedent was set for the other 49 states trying to do something like this.
feniin
11-21-2019, 05:41 PM
They did so voluntarily. Compelling candidates to do anything/something (in this case, release tax returns), in order to get on the (now open primary) ballot, is in direct conflict with the CA Constitution.
https://i.imgur.com/Fzcq0PJ.png
I'd imagine it could be argued to be in violation of the 14th amendment of the US constitution as well. The biggest loss here, is that precedent was set for the other 49 states trying to do something like this.
What's he hiding?
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 05:49 PM
The biggest loss here, is that precedent was set for the other 49 states trying to do something like this.
Don't think so, skip
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 05:54 PM
What's he hiding?
why do you care what's in his personal income tax returns? I'd like to know what's in the tax returns of Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsome, Diane Feinstein, Kamala Harris, and Barbara Boxer before her, but would never think to make their appearance on the statewide ballot contingent upon their release. And it's crazy unconstitutional, serving to disenfranchise millions of voters.
But you ask what he's hiding. LOL.
why didn't Obama release his education records?
Answer: He didn't want to. Ooh, what's he hiding??
feniin
11-21-2019, 06:00 PM
What's he hiding? I don't care about the other ones. They aren't running for president. Everyone else in modern history has released theirs.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 06:13 PM
What do you think he is hiding?
Kaveh
11-21-2019, 06:14 PM
why do you care what's in his personal income tax returns? I'd like to know what's in the tax returns of Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsome, Diane Feinstein, Kamala Harris, and Barbara Boxer before her, but would never think to make their appearance on the statewide ballot contingent upon their release. And it's crazy unconstitutional, serving to disenfranchise millions of voters.
But you ask what he's hiding. LOL.
why didn't Obama release his education records?
Answer: He didn't want to. Ooh, what's he hiding??
Don’t you think there’s at least a possibility that he’s lying about something in his tax returns? Wouldn’t you want to know if there’s something possibly giving someone else leverage over our leader?
Kaveh
11-21-2019, 06:25 PM
What do you think he is hiding?
I hope nothing
BallzDeep
11-21-2019, 06:31 PM
Don’t you think there’s at least a possibility that he’s lying about something in his tax returns? Wouldn’t you want to know if there’s something possibly giving someone else leverage over our leader?
Depends but once again it is subjective. Did the President use some loophole to avoid taxes during his business tenure? Probably. Is it legal? Probably. Would some idiot start claiming he is immoral based on that? Probably. Would it make headline news if he did? Yes. Has majority of candidates from both Republican and Democrat taken advantage of tax laws? Probably.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 07:25 PM
Don’t you think there’s at least a possibility that he’s lying about something in his tax returns? Wouldn’t you want to know if there’s something possibly giving someone else leverage over our leader?
Given they are under audit by the IRS, i'm sure it would have been leaked by now. No, i'm not concerned. I see no evidence of anyone/any country - at this point in his administration - having leverage over Trump - certainly not China, Russia, Iran, N Korea, Syria or any of the other bad actors that his administration has taken to the proverbial woodshed with increased sanctions, tariffs, and/or military aid to allies in their respective regions.
If you are concerned about the possibility of lies by Trump, were you concerned with the actual lies from his predecessor?
Stimulus Bill (saving or creating more than 3 million jobs and keeping unemployment below 8 percent)
Fast & Furious (began in 2009, not under Bush as he claimed)
The "Affordable" Care Act ("If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. it will save families $2,500 a year. the mandate is not a tax)
Not spying on journalists (they did)
Not spying on Candidate Trump (they did)
Benghazi attack (blamed it on a video)
Lying about DACA (amnesty/not amnesty)
more.. Politifact's "All False statements involving Barack Obama" (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/)
You may not think these are big deals, but objectively, they truly are, much more so than anything Trump might spew on twitter, whether Mexico is "paying" for any of the wall, or which you might find in his personal income tax returns (too many deductions? idk).
Valeriya
11-21-2019, 07:26 PM
Oh, I've seen a few episodes of shows, but I'm not a cult member like yourself.
Shut up
feniin
11-21-2019, 07:28 PM
Shut up
lol surprised you only got a week off.
Valeriya
11-21-2019, 07:28 PM
You leftist
Horza
11-21-2019, 07:29 PM
Can you go ahead and produce some facts about the "deep state"? Who is the leader? What is their goal? Why do they hate Trump?
George Soros, duh!
LOL my sides x2
You guys are joking around but this is exactly the sort of conspiratorial nonsense that Fox News is currently pumping out, and the really hardcore cultists here among us are just going to happily keep eating that slop regardless of the reality of the situation.
Speaking with host Lou Dobbs, diGenova dismissed the impeachment testimony of senior diplomat George Kent by baselessly claiming he is part of an insidious Soros plot to take over Ukraine with the help of the State Department and the FBI.
“Well, there’s no doubt that George Soros controls a very large part of the career foreign service of the United States State Department,” exclaimed diGenova. “He also controls the activities of FBI agents overseas who work for NGOs. That was very evident in Ukraine, and Kent was part of that. He was a very big protector of Soros.” (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jewish-groups-blast-fox-news-for-joe-digenovas-anti-semitic-soros-conspiracy-theory)
Valeriya
11-21-2019, 07:32 PM
You guys are joking around but this is exactly the sort of conspiratorial nonsense that Fox News is currently pumping out, and the really hardcore cultists here among us are just going to happily keep eating that slop regardless of the reality of the situation.
Dont ignore me you leftist!
feniin
11-21-2019, 07:46 PM
You guys are joking around but this is exactly the sort of conspiratorial nonsense that Fox News is currently pumping out, and the really hardcore cultists here among us are just going to happily keep eating that slop regardless of the reality of the situation.
Who was the boogeyman before Soros?
feniin
11-21-2019, 07:48 PM
George Soros isn't even that rich compared to some of the political influencers out there. And he's old. Who will be the next boogeyman?
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 07:48 PM
George Soros isn't even that rich compared to some of the political influencers out there. And he's old. Who will be the next boogeyman?
His son.
Horza
11-21-2019, 07:51 PM
Who was the boogeyman before Soros?
Rothschilds.
feniin
11-21-2019, 07:54 PM
His son.
He and his kids sound like decent, well adjusted people. They champion progressive causes and donate huge swaths of money to the less fortunate. Anyone even remotely close to being that beneficial to society on the white nationalist's platform?
Horza
11-21-2019, 07:58 PM
Trump signs short-term spending bill just ahead of shutdown deadline. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/11/21/senate-passes-short-term-spending-bill-sending-legislation-trump-hours-ahead-shutdown-deadline/)
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 08:01 PM
Shut up
You leftist
Thought you got hit for spamming like this
Horza
11-21-2019, 09:02 PM
He and his kids sound like decent, well adjusted people. They champion progressive causes and donate huge swaths of money to the less fortunate. Anyone even remotely close to being that beneficial to society on the white nationalist's platform?
https://i.imgur.com/UW7T2hT.jpg
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 09:03 PM
He and his kids sound like decent, well adjusted people. They champion progressive causes and donate huge swaths of money to the less fortunate. Anyone even remotely close to being that beneficial to society on the white nationalist's platform?
Where is that again?
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 09:22 PM
Where is that again?
https://i.imgur.com/WY8tzmj.jpg
feniin
11-21-2019, 09:43 PM
Where is that again?
https://www.gop.gov/ ?
Liberals have been brainwashed into believing that if you love America you're a racist.
Horza
11-21-2019, 09:57 PM
https://i.imgur.com/8HE5kAa.jpg
The ironic thing is, none of them ever leave. :rolleyes:
feniin
11-21-2019, 10:10 PM
Liberals have been brainwashed into believing that if you love America you're a racist.
Thanks for your non-sequitur stream of consciousness.
Horza
11-21-2019, 10:10 PM
Trump campaign promotes a clip of Tulsi Gabbard criticizing the Democratic Party. (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1197342010191036416)
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 10:47 PM
https://www.gop.gov/ ?
Nope, i don't see anything there. I think you meant The Inconvenient Truth About the Democratic Party (https://www.prageru.com/video/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-democratic-party/)
Horza
11-21-2019, 10:53 PM
In American politics, the Southern strategy was an electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans. As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)
I find it ironic how liberals call conservatives racists when a Republican freed the slaves and the KKK was founded by the Democrats.
Pathetic.
Liberals will always call you a name or blame you for something that they're in fact guilty of. Always.
Horza
11-21-2019, 11:01 PM
2016 seems like such a long time ago: The Ku Klux Klan officially endorses Donald Trump for president. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/the-ku-klux-klan-officially-endorses-donald-trump-for-president-a7392801.html)
2016 seems like such a long time ago: The Ku Klux Klan officially endorses Donald Trump for president. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/the-ku-klux-klan-officially-endorses-donald-trump-for-president-a7392801.html)
I guess they don't like Socialism/Communism either.
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 11:32 PM
Nope, i don't see anything there. I think you meant The Inconvenient Truth About the Democratic Party (https://www.prageru.com/video/the-inconvenient-truth-about-the-democratic-party/)
Going slumming huh? You're better than that. Do not dishonor your ancestors again.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-21-2019, 11:39 PM
Going slumming huh? You're better than that. Do not dishonor your ancestors again.
Pointing out the truth is "slumming", but feniin suggesting the GOP is running on a "White Nationalist platform" is just fine. Mkay ;)
Wonkie
11-21-2019, 11:40 PM
Pointing out the truth is "slumming", but feniin suggesting the GOP is running on a "White Nationalist platform" is just fine. Mkay ;)
No, watching pragerU is.
entruil
11-21-2019, 11:41 PM
The scheme to hide Fiat currency in yo face is real.
A reminder...
https://youtu.be/gIcqb9hHQ3E
Rader
11-21-2019, 11:53 PM
Anyone who believes there's a deep state controlling the government is probably mentally handicapped.
Libturds are now open about this existance. This isn't a conspiracy theory any more. They proudly proclaim that they are attempting a coup against the American Nazi
This from the retards who bitched that Trump supporters were going to cause a civil war once Hillary won. Go F off hypocrits
feniin
11-22-2019, 12:05 AM
Libturds are now open about this existance. This isn't a conspiracy theory any more. They proudly proclaim that they are attempting a coup against the American Nazi
This from the retards who bitched that Trump supporters were going to cause a civil war once Hillary won. Go F off hypocrits
Pretty sure it was the Trump cultists that said they would start a civil war if Hillary won. Don't think it was anyone on the left claiming it would happen. They were told it would be happening.
And yeah, everyone should be against the American Nazis. Yourself included, cultist.
Horza
11-22-2019, 12:38 AM
Libturds are now open about this existance. This isn't a conspiracy theory any more. They proudly proclaim that they are attempting a coup against the American Nazi
This from the retards who bitched that Trump supporters were going to cause a civil war once Hillary won. Go F off hypocrits
https://i.imgur.com/mwVPnEI.gif
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 11:56 AM
The leftside is going insane atm lol
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 12:11 PM
In American politics, the Southern strategy was an electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans. As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)
Didn't King get beat in CA? Weren't the riots in CA? Obviously 20-30 years later but you'd think a Democrat controlled state wouldn't have those issues if what you are claiming is true.
Pretty sure it was the Trump cultists that said they would start a civil war if Hillary won. Don't think it was anyone on the left claiming it would happen. They were told it would be happening.
And yeah, everyone should be against the American Nazis. Yourself included, cultist.
Uh huh. The left would never be violent. Never.
Cult huh? I believe I know who the real cultists are. ;)
If America would be a boat, Valeriya would be the guy who drilling holes into that boat and say "hihi look how mad they get, hihih"
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 12:24 PM
Anti-tax initiative promoter Tim Eyman announces run for governor (https://komonews.com/news/local/initiative-promoter-tim-eyman-announces-run-for-governor-in-2020)
"Seattle decides everything. People outside of Seattle have no voice anymore. For 21 years, I’ve put initiatives on the ballot and voters voted on them. But the people we elect refuse to listen," Eyman said during the public comment period of the meeting. "Therefore, I am running for Governor in 2020. I am running against Jay Inslee, Seattle’s current governor, and I think the voters of this state deserve somebody besides Seattle-supported monstrosity."
Eyman's microphone was then cut. The board's chair stated Eyman violated campaigning rules during the public comment period.
"I know democracy is something you do not like," Eyman replied.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=115788&dateline=1573015369
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 12:29 PM
If America would be a boat, Valeriya would be the guy who drilling holes into that boat and say "hihi look how mad they get, hihih"
O.o
feniin
11-22-2019, 12:32 PM
Anti-tax initiative promoter Tim Eyman announces run for governor (https://komonews.com/news/local/initiative-promoter-tim-eyman-announces-run-for-governor-in-2020)
https://www.project1999.com/forums/image.php?u=115788&dateline=1573015369
Gotta love when people don't understand laws and then complain their rights are being infringed upon.
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 12:34 PM
Gotta love when people don't understand laws and then complain their rights are being infringed upon.
Do you mean people like your self?
Horza
11-22-2019, 12:44 PM
Valeriya coming in hot with the I'm rubber, you're glue defense.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 01:22 PM
Gotta love when people don't understand laws and then complain their rights are being infringed upon.
Curious of how you got that out of that article? Where did someone claim their rights were infringed upon? Where did someone not understand a law? Did you even read the article?
This is the problem with your mindset. You read an article headline, automatically assume they are taking your side and assume the content in the article. This causes a major problem between lack of understanding and forming opinions based on your bias. Read the fucking articles.
Horza
11-22-2019, 01:31 PM
President Trump says 'I do want corruption, always,' an apparent gaffe in a Fox News interview about impeachment. (https://twitter.com/rolandscahill/status/1197866884051480577)
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 01:37 PM
President Trump says 'I do want corruption, always,' an apparent gaffe in a Fox News interview about impeachment. (https://twitter.com/rolandscahill/status/1197866884051480577)
Was there any other context to that or was it just a 12 second conversation that started and ended with that? I mean I can post things all day of out of context quotes that make Democrats look racist but....
Or...... do you think it was based around them asking why he is investigating corruption and he was responding in broken english "I do always want corruption" in the sense that I am always investigating corruption. I always want corruption dead?
Funny you take that and spin it to "I love corruption." These word games are for the peasants and obviously can't fill the gap on what someone was thinking.
Horza
11-22-2019, 01:44 PM
Was there any other context to that or was it just a 12 second conversation that started and ended with that? I mean I can post things all day of out of context quotes that make Democrats look racist but....
President Trump on Hong Kong protests: "We have to stand with Hong King, but I'm also standing with President Xi. He's a friend of mine, he's an incredible guy... if it weren't for me, thousands of people would have been killed in Hong Kong right now." (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1197899995535548416)
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 01:44 PM
President Trump suggests that he wants to be impeached and says 'I want a trial' on Fox and Friends. The hosts tried to ask him a follow-up question about that, but he didn't stop talking to respond to them. (https://twitter.com/grantstern/status/1197876863256973312)
Yeah, that didn't contribute anything to my point and has no relevance. If Valyeria has issues with definition, you have an issues finding relevance and how things correlate.
Even though you switched the quote, both have 0 relevance. Trump says support Hong Kong but I also have a relationship with Xi. Okay and your point is?
Horza
11-22-2019, 01:48 PM
I'm simply providing you with more context for Daddy Trump's very public mental breakdown.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 01:49 PM
I'm simply providing you with more context for Daddy Trump's very public mental breakdown.
What medical field are you in? How do we know you aren't having the breakdown and Trump is fine?
Horza
11-22-2019, 02:02 PM
Or...... do you think it was based around them asking why he is investigating corruption and he was responding in broken english "I do always want corruption" in the sense that I am always investigating corruption. I always want corruption dead?
Funny you take that and spin it to "I love corruption." These word games are for the peasants and obviously can't fill the gap on what someone was thinking.
When your defense of an obvious Freudian slip is that your incredibly intelligent political leader was responding to the question in broken English and one just has to infer what he actually, really meant. :cool:
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 02:25 PM
You have problems Horza
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 02:32 PM
Gotta love when people don't understand laws and then complain their rights are being infringed upon.
Timmy knows what he's doing.
He is a bad dog.
Lulz Sect
11-22-2019, 02:48 PM
Sacha Baron Cohen's Keynote Address at ADL's 2019 Never Is Now Summit on Anti-Semitism and Hate
And as a comedian, I’ve tried to use my characters to get people to let down their guard and reveal what they actually believe, including their own prejudice.
https://www.adl.org/news/article/sacha-baron-cohens-keynote-address-at-adls-2019-never-is-now-summit-on-anti-semitism
Horza
11-22-2019, 03:01 PM
Sacha Baron Cohen's Keynote Address at ADL's 2019 Never Is Now Summit on Anti-Semitism and Hate
Sacha Baron Cohen has denounced tech giants Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and Google as “the greatest propaganda machine in history” and culpable for a surge in “murderous attacks on religious and ethnic minorities.” He also criticised Facebook’s decision not to remove Holocaust deniers, “We have millions of pieces of evidence for the Holocaust – it is an historical fact. And denying it is not some random opinion. Those who deny the Holocaust aim to encourage another one.”
“Internet companies can now be held responsible for paedophiles who use their sites to target children. I say, let’s also hold these companies responsible for those who use their sites to advocate for the mass murder of children because of their race or religion. And maybe fines are not enough."
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 03:17 PM
Warren is the "big chief" when it comes to tech monopolies. Break em up.
Warren is the "big chief" when it comes to tech monopolies. Break em up.
In exchange for Socialism/Communism? No thanks. :rolleyes:
Horza
11-22-2019, 03:57 PM
https://i.imgur.com/nuGMcXo.jpg
We're all well aware that you support Socialism/Communism, no need for a meme.
Horza
11-22-2019, 04:05 PM
Remember when they used to just be called political cartoons?
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 04:40 PM
When your defense of an obvious Freudian slip is that your incredibly intelligent political leader was responding to the question in broken English and one just has to infer what he actually, really meant. :cool:
I can do things like you too. When your offense for disliking someone's opinion is you actively trying to fill in the blanks for someone or assume their position even if they've clarified their opinion, means you are arguing with your own personal bias. You are waiting for the moment of a slip up (everyone has them) to use that as a catalyst to prove a point that isn't so easily proven. Shame on you.
Also I don't claim Trump to be incredibly intelligent, I claim him to be human and can make mistakes. Here you go again with using a "got ya" on something that isn't even a got ya.
Teppler
11-22-2019, 06:02 PM
https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1197997370077831172?s=20
Biden threatens Lindsey Graham for looking into his Ukraine ties.
Horza
11-22-2019, 06:35 PM
We're all well aware that you support Socialism/Communism, no need for a meme.
https://i.imgur.com/6sSJI0B.jpg
feniin
11-22-2019, 06:38 PM
How much longer until Trump orders his own Operation Hummingbird?
whats bad about haveing some socialsim?
Or is it just a word fox news told you to hate?
whats bad about haveing some socialsim?
Or is it just a word fox news told you to hate?
The fact that you even have to ask that question is proof that the indoctrination system and globalist propaganda machine is doing just fine.
But don't worry, you'll find out why it's bad eventually. There are far too many brain-dead zombies graduating from indoctrination centers to save this nation. So, you'll get your wish soon enough.
Horza
11-22-2019, 07:00 PM
The fact that you even have to ask that question is proof that the indoctrination system and globalist propaganda machine is doing just fine.
But don't worry, you'll find out why it's bad eventually. There are far too many brain-dead zombies graduating from indoctrination centers to save this nation. So, you'll get your wish soon enough.
https://i.imgur.com/ajgPXTE.gif
Yep, you're one of the zombies. ;)
feniin
11-22-2019, 07:03 PM
The fact that you even have to ask that question is proof that the indoctrination system and globalist propaganda machine is doing just fine.
But don't worry, you'll find out why it's bad eventually. There are far too many brain-dead zombies graduating from indoctrination centers to save this nation. So, you'll get your wish soon enough.
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about and are just parroting white nationalist talking points.
Horza
11-22-2019, 07:04 PM
Yep, you're one of the zombies. ;)
The classic 8chan NPC meme.
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about and are just parroting white nationalist talking points.
Yep, you're gonna love Socialism/Communism. Lol. :D
feniin
11-22-2019, 07:09 PM
Yep, you're gonna love Socialism/Communism. Lol. :D
Go ahead and just pass me all of your social security when you hit 67. Lost your job? better not be collecting unemployment. Injured in the workplace? I don't want to see you collecting disability payments.
Farm having a tough time? better not be asking for subsidies. Roads fucked? deal with it - the government won't be repairing your road. Your kid need to go to school?(lol yeah right you're not having a child) Best be sending him to a private school because public schools don't exist for you.
Edit: House on fire? fuck you - pay the fireman to save your house or he's got better things to do. Police? nah. better call your private security force.
Go ahead and just pass me all of your social security when you hit 67. Lost your job? better not be collecting unemployment. Injured in the workplace? I don't want to see you collecting disability payments.
Farm having a tough time? better not be asking for subsidies. Roads fucked? deal with it - the government won't be repairing your road. Your kid need to go to school?(lol yeah right you're not having a child) Best be sending him to a private school because public schools don't exist for you.
It's ok, you'll get your Socialist soon enough. We'll get everything free, nobody pays, and we all get rainbow unicorns.
It's gonna be fantastic! Yay Socialism! ;)
The fact that you even have to ask that question is proof that the indoctrination system and globalist propaganda machine is doing just fine.
But don't worry, you'll find out why it's bad eventually. There are far too many brain-dead zombies graduating from indoctrination centers to save this nation. So, you'll get your wish soon enough.
I am german. Parts of my country are socialist and we doing ok.
So what does socalism mean to you ?
I mean your US military are socialist too, and it seems to work?!
I am german. Parts of my country are socialist and we doing ok.
Oh great, well keep voting for Socialists, I'm sure everything's gonna come up roses for you.
Lol.
so you just dont know what socialism mean. Thats ok. But why you pretending that you know what it means?
so you just dont know what socialism mean. Thats ok. But why you pretending that you know what it means?
socialism[ soh-shuh-liz-uh m ]
I don't think YOU know what it means lol.
SEE SYNONYMS FOR socialism ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
• a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
• procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
• (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
So, I hope you Germans enjoy your Communism because that's where Socialism leads lol. Good luck. You're gonna need it. ;)
Horza
11-22-2019, 07:25 PM
so you just dont know what socialism mean. Thats ok. But why you pretending that you know what it means?
Socialism means whatever it needs to mean for him to feel like he's beat you in this so-called debate.
Guess you are right. I mean we have since over 100 years social-systems in our goverment, but hey, your fear proves our system is wrong.
A short read, that none of you Socialists/Communists will read lol:
Why Socialism Fails (https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2019/03/14/why-socialism-fails-n2543054)
For young people who weren't alive during the Cold War and the horrors that came from socialism and its evil twin, communism, the notion that they can get free stuff from the government is addictive. Having sacrificed little for their country (members of the military excluded), too many young people have bought into the idea that rich people and big corporations are evil because they have "stolen" money from others, especially the poor.
According to Mark J. Perry, Ph.D., a professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan's Flint campus, and a scholar at American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C., socialism fails "because it's a flawed system based on completely faulty principles that aren't consistent with human behavior and can't nurture the human spirit."
read more... (https://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2019/03/14/why-socialism-fails-n2543054) (except you Socialists/Communists haha)
Teppler
11-22-2019, 07:28 PM
The anti american lefties in this thread are clearly following Soros CorrectTheRecord/Media Matters playbook. That's why they come across as zombies. They are parroting shitty viewpoints that aren't really defendable.
I see some scared fox news braindeads in this thread.
Horza
11-22-2019, 07:32 PM
The anti american lefties in this thread are clearly following Soros CorrectTheRecord/Media Matters playbook. That's why they come across as zombies. They are parroting shitty viewpoints that aren't really defendable.
Teppler in this thread is incapable of constructing an argument without falling back on his trusty antisemitic conspiracy theories from Hannity.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 07:34 PM
Completely agree. Kids should be paying for their own school.
And don't come back to me asking how they should do that.
They should be taking loans from private companies, to pay their private school. Once they are educated they can earn back the money to pay off the loan.
No reason for any of that to be socialised, see?
And don't let people say the parents should pay; that is nepotism and communism rolled in to one insane beast!
Horza
11-22-2019, 07:42 PM
A short read, that none of you Socialists/Communists will read lol
Clearly you don't know me very well. This website that you linked is amazing.
Michael Medved reveals the politically incorrect truth, that American DNA is just plain better than European or African DNA. (https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2008/05/14/respecting---and-recognizing---american-dna-n884296)
"Why is bisexuality not a recipe for infidelity?" To Mona Charen you're not really a bisexual unless you're actively sleeping with both sexes. (http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2008/12/26/defending_rick_warren/page/full/)
South Dakota lawmakers: abortion can lead to suicide. (https://townhall.com/columnists/stevenaden/2012/07/27/south-dakota-lawmakers-abortion-can-lead-to-suicide-n1259390)
Clearly you don't know me very well. This website that you linked is amazing.
Michael Medved reveals the politically incorrect truth, that American DNA is just plain better than European or African DNA. (https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2008/05/14/respecting---and-recognizing---american-dna-n884296)
"Why is bisexuality not a recipe for infidelity?" To Mona Charen you're not really a bisexual unless you're actively sleeping with both sexes. (http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2008/12/26/defending_rick_warren/page/full/)
South Dakota lawmakers: abortion can lead to suicide. (https://townhall.com/columnists/stevenaden/2012/07/27/south-dakota-lawmakers-abortion-can-lead-to-suicide-n1259390)
Nice deflection. You're having a hard time defending Socialism/Communism, I get it. ;)
Why Socialism always fails (https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/articles/why-socialism-always-fails/)
But the old lessons from these ideas still remain. Lenin in post-Revolutionary Russia, like Castro in Cuba in 1959, or Maduro in Venezuela today, conducted their socialist experiments on complex economies with the expectation that they would just keep providing the basics as they had always done.
And yet, to their astonishment, the economies almost instantaneously stopped working. They turned what were relatively prosperous economies for their own time and place into an utter shambles — and never knew why.
A socialist economy cannot work. It must end in mass poverty and deprivation. While a handful at the top can do very well, everyone else falls into an economic abyss, with virtually the entire population completely mystified by the disappearance of their previous economy — and in some cases, their previously strong prosperity.
The great error of some on the left is to believe the welfare state is a form of socialism. It is not. Whatever you might think about the extent to which welfare expenditure has grown, it remains one of the dividends of the capitalist system. Entrepreneurial decision-making and market exchange create such an abundance of wealth that high levels of welfare spending are now integrated into how we manage our economies. This is not a socialist system. No socialist economy provides welfare since they are too poor to provide anything at all.
Unfortunately, while it is dispiriting to see the extent of ignorance of would-be socialists, it is not merely millennials who do not understand the fundamental reason why capitalism is the only system that can generate prosperity and growth.
more... (https://www.cis.org.au/commentary/articles/why-socialism-always-fails/)
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 07:56 PM
Completely agree. Kids should be paying for their own school.
And don't come back to me asking how they should do that.
They should be taking loans from private companies, to pay their private school. Once they are educated they can earn back the money to pay off the loan.
No reason for any of that to be socialised, see?
And don't let people say the parents should pay; that is nepotism and communism rolled in to one insane beast!
Loans are class violence ;)
Horza
11-22-2019, 07:57 PM
Michael Medved reveals the politically incorrect truth, that American DNA is just plain better than European or African DNA. (https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelmedved/2008/05/14/respecting---and-recognizing---american-dna-n884296)
Obama, Clinton and other leaders who seek to enlarge the scope of government face more formidable obstacles than they realize. Their desire to impose a European-style welfare state and a command-and-control economy not only contradicts our proudest political and economic traditions, but the new revelations about American DNA suggest that such ill-starred schemes may go against our very nature.
I wonder what they mean by our stark differences in appearance. :rolleyes:
being 100% capitalism dosent seems to work as well. So why not combine capitalism and socialism?
feniin
11-22-2019, 07:59 PM
Highlighting random words always proves a point, right?!
Teppler
11-22-2019, 08:01 PM
I've seen the correct the record playbook. It's no coincidence the regular bot type posters follow it's narrative lock stock and barrel. They might not even know it as it might be coming from their CNN anchor middleman but it originates from CorrectTheRecord/Media Matters.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 08:05 PM
Loans are class violence ;)
The real outrage is inherited debt.
I heard slavery was abolished in the US, but I also heard debt is inherited.
Pick one!
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:07 PM
The real outrage is inherited debt.
I heard slavery was abolished in the US, but I also heard debt is inherited.
Pick one!
Slavery was just renamed and refocused. It's still very much alive and well.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:07 PM
Go ahead and just pass me all of your social security when you hit 67. Lost your job? better not be collecting unemployment. Injured in the workplace? I don't want to see you collecting disability payments.
Farm having a tough time? better not be asking for subsidies. Roads fucked? deal with it - the government won't be repairing your road. Your kid need to go to school?(lol yeah right you're not having a child) Best be sending him to a private school because public schools don't exist for you.
Edit: House on fire? fuck you - pay the fireman to save your house or he's got better things to do. Police? nah. better call your private security force.
Defending socialized programs but doesn't even understand them. CHECK.
You are obviously so stupid and fit in the category of uneducated stay at home dads. Social security YOU PAY into and YOU are taxed on it. If you kept all the money, you would not be getting money when you are 67, you'd collect it all at face value. If you are successful, you don't need social security.
Injured in the workplace? That falls under Workman Comp and if you are collecting disability, there are plenty of charity organizations that you can utilize first.
You are even so stupid to think that Republicans don't want firemen (better check your privilege by the way because its fireperson nowadays). And yes it has been proven that private firms handle crime a lot better. There was a town outside Houston I think that completely fired all their police force and hired a private firm and crime dropped a large percent.
https://71republic.com/2017/11/20/the-texas-town-that-privatized-the-police/
Private organizations already pay for roads (toll roads) and many more. It's just a question of would you rather pay them in taxes or pay them to a private firm.
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 08:08 PM
The real outrage is inherited debt.
But I also heard debt is inherited.
You heard wrong.
I think someone is trying to trick you re: estate taxes("the death tax")
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:09 PM
Defending socialized programs but doesn't even understand them. CHECK.
You are obviously so stupid and fit in the category of uneducated stay at home dads. Social security YOU PAY into and YOU are taxed on it. If you kept all the money, you would not be getting money when you are 67, you'd collect it all at face value. If you are successful, you don't need social security.
Injured in the workplace? That falls under Workman Comp and if you are collecting disability, there are plenty of charity organizations that you can utilize first.
You are even so stupid to think that Republicans don't want firemen (better check your privilege by the way because its fireperson nowadays). And yes it has been proven that private firms handle crime a lot better. There was a town outside Houston I think that completely fired all their police force and hired a private firm and crime dropped a large percent.
https://71republic.com/2017/11/20/the-texas-town-that-privatized-the-police/
Private organizations already pay for roads (toll roads) and many more. It's just a question of would you rather pay them in taxes or pay them to a private firm.
You are such an easy mark.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:10 PM
You are such an easy mark.
What was your goal? I don't think anyone here gets it.
I just see you not really acknowledging anything and claiming you've won without having to explain anything. Sounds like a safe space for you.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 08:13 PM
You heard wrong.
I think someone is trying to trick you re: estate taxes("the death tax")
That's a relief. So it's only cosigned debts that are 'inherited' I then assume?
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 08:14 PM
Slavery was just renamed and refocused. It's still very much alive and well.
Is this about the idea that slave owners were able to offload welfare responsibilities and costs on to their charges, while still benefit from their cheap labour? Self-owned slaves?
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:15 PM
What was your goal? I don't think anyone here gets it.
I just see you not really acknowledging anything and claiming you've won without having to explain anything. Sounds like a safe space for you.
There's no winning any of this. You alt-right idiots are never going to see any point from reality. The rest of society will never see it in your fucked up, fear based paradigm. All we're doing here is talking loudly at each other and yelling at walls. It's fun to just rile you morons up.
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:16 PM
Is this about the idea that slave owners were able to offload welfare responsibilities and costs on to their charges, while still benefit from their cheap labour? Self-owned slaves?
That's better worded than I would have stated it, but yeah.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-22-2019, 08:18 PM
being 100% capitalism dosent seems to work as well. So why not combine capitalism and socialism?
"Capitalism" was a pejorative coined up by Karl Marx to describe the system he believed to be owned and controlled by the elite of “bourgeois” society. This version of "capitalism" is based deeply on cronyism and government favor. "crony capitalism" thrives within socialist and quasi-socialist systems, while a true FREE market system, is antithetical to communism and socialism.
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 08:18 PM
That's a relief. So it's only cosigned debts that are 'inherited' I then assume?
I guess you could inherit a lien if you inherited the property it's on. I dislike this tortured logic.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:19 PM
Is this about the idea that slave owners were able to offload welfare responsibilities and costs on to their charges, while still benefit from their cheap labour? Self-owned slaves?
I would probably steer clear from any advice in the US that Feniin has to give. It's a tad bit off from reality. Slavery was abolished long again when the Republican party won the civil war and freed slaves. There are currently laws against any form of slavery and civil laws for any child labor. If he is referring to underground child trafficking, it is still alive and common around the world, even though it is illegal in most places. Other than that he sounds like a he's going down an Alex Jones track.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:20 PM
There's no winning any of this. You alt-right idiots are never going to see any point from reality. The rest of society will never see it in your fucked up, fear based paradigm. All we're doing here is talking loudly at each other and yelling at walls. It's fun to just rile you morons up.
Right but when you make a point about social security and it's obvious you don't understand it, you aren't helping yourself in any facet of life.
When someone uses workmans comp as an example for socialized programs, they are stupid.
These are universal truths. And trust me, you'll never get me riled up because I'm not a stay at home dad; then I'd actually be disappointed with my life.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 08:22 PM
I would probably steer clear from any advice in the US that Feniin has to give. It's a tad bit off from reality. Slavery was abolished long again when the Republican party won the civil war and freed slaves. There are currently laws against any form of slavery and civil laws for any child labor. If he is referring to underground child trafficking, it is still alive and common around the world, even though it is illegal in most places. Other than that he sounds like a he's going down an Alex Jones track.
I don't know who Alex Jones is.
What do you think of the phrase 'wage slavery'?
Is it possible to enslave through debt?
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:24 PM
And trust me, you'll never get me riled up because I'm not a stay at home dad; then I'd actually be disappointed with my life.
Sounds like you're an incel that doesn't have parents who loved him? Yikes. All mad and all riled up. Sorry your cult leader is a criminal traitor who will be impeached.
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:25 PM
I don't know who Alex Jones is.
What do you think of the phrase 'wage slavery'?
Is it possible to enslave through debt?
BallzDeep only knows what white nationalists tell him. He's living in the 50s.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:25 PM
I don't know who Alex Jones is.
What do you think of the phrase 'wage slavery'?
Is it possible to enslave through debt?
Debt is a willing transaction, you have the freedom of choice in the US to accept loans, payments, debt of any sort. If you inherit debt by somehow, I'd wage you could reasonable pay off any debt and if treated unfairly can seek legal counsel.
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 08:26 PM
I would probably steer clear from any advice in the US that Feniin has to give. It's a tad bit off from reality. Slavery was abolished long again when the Republican party won the civil war and freed slaves. There are currently laws against any form of slavery and civil laws for any child labor. If he is referring to underground child trafficking, it is still alive and common around the world, even though it is illegal in most places. Other than that he sounds like a he's going down an Alex Jones track.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.
I don't think this applies the way it seems but combining that sentence with prison demographics paints an ugly scene.
Fix me Google.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-22-2019, 08:29 PM
Slavery was just renamed and refocused. It's still very much alive and well.
If you mean the college scam, i agree.
No one forces anyone to go into massive debt for just an undergraduate degree, let alone graduate school, only to come out with less critical thinking ability than when they went in. It's insanity, especially since approximately 53% of college graduates are unemployed or working in a job that doesn't require a bachelor's degree (https://www.washington.edu/doit/what-can-students-do-improve-their-chances-finding-employment-after-college).
I wish our preparatory education leaders would champion apprenticeships, trade schools and good old entrepreneurialism vs the pipeline to college (and indebtedness). Unfortunately, they don't want more free thinkers and self-starters running around upsetting their apple carts.
It's really sad watching some of you post. Just attack, attack, attack. Call people names, over, and over, and over again. It's pathetic. :cool:
Horza
11-22-2019, 08:31 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gsfwnjd.jpg
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:31 PM
Sounds like you're an incel that doesn't have parents who loved him? Yikes. All mad and all riled up. Sorry your cult leader is a criminal traitor who will be impeached.
You keep making these references that have no context. Did I say I dislike women? Nope. Do I have relationships with women? Yep.
Now that we've cleared that up. You are still a stay at home dad who can't pursue anything outside of the spectrum of staying at home with your son. On the other hand, I am pursing any realm of possibility I want for business ventures, personal freedoms or anything else. Also, I am 31. Man, you really got me there.
Trump will win in 2020 and I'd love to hear how a large portion of the population (just like in 2016) has mental issues except for anyone you agree with.
So why not combine capitalism and socialism?
They asked the same thing about oil and water. Didn't work. At all.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:32 PM
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.
I don't think this applies the way it seems but combining that sentence with prison demographics paints an ugly scene.
Fix me Google.
I agree that the prison system does utilize that as a debt to society. I guess the simple lesson there would be don't commit crimes otherwise you lose freedoms but then really that would equate to less government involvement which Democrats are too particularly fond of.
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 08:32 PM
If you mean the college scam, i agree.
No one forces anyone to go into massive debt for just an undergraduate degree, let alone graduate school, only to come out with less critical thinking ability than when they went in. It's insanity, especially since approximately 53% of college graduates are unemployed or working in a job that doesn't require a bachelor's degree (https://www.washington.edu/doit/what-can-students-do-improve-their-chances-finding-employment-after-college).
I wish our preparatory education leaders would champion apprenticeships, trade schools and good old entrepreneurialism vs the pipeline to college (and indebtedness). Unfortunately, they don't want more free thinkers and self-starters running around upsetting their apple carts.
In America, opportunities for success shouldn’t be limited to those with a college degree. As important as it is to make college affordable, it must also be possible to land a well-paying job and launch a career without going to college. As our labor market evolves, well-paying jobs and careers requiring only a high school diploma are harder to find. We need to ensure that workers have access to the training and education that will make them—and our economy—successful.
https://peteforamerica.com/policies/education/
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:32 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gsfwnjd.jpg
Don't be racist, you don't know if they aren't a percentage latino. :)
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:32 PM
If you mean the college scam, i agree.
No one forces anyone to go into massive debt for just an undergraduate degree, let alone graduate school, only to come out with less critical thinking ability than when they went in. It's insanity, especially since approximately 53% of college graduates are unemployed or working in a job that doesn't require a bachelor's degree (https://www.washington.edu/doit/what-can-students-do-improve-their-chances-finding-employment-after-college).
I wish our preparatory education leaders would champion apprenticeships, trade schools and good old entrepreneurialism vs the pipeline to college (and indebtedness). Unfortunately, they don't want more free thinkers and self-starters running around upsetting their apple carts.
the anti-intellectualism is astounding
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:36 PM
You keep making these references that have no context. Did I say I dislike women? Nope. Do I have relationships with women? Yep.
Now that we've cleared that up. You are still a stay at home dad who can't pursue anything outside of the spectrum of staying at home with your son. On the other hand, I am pursing any realm of possibility I want for business ventures, personal freedoms or anything else. Also, I am 31. Man, you really got me there.
Trump will win in 2020 and I'd love to hear how a large portion of the population (just like in 2016) has mental issues except for anyone you agree with.
I'm pursuing the exact realm of personal growth I want to be. You're too insecure to understand that, I think. I voluntarily left my career. Not sure how or why you think that a father raising his child is some inferior venture. You're still clearly a sexist incel.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:36 PM
Real world experience is just as powerful as any schooling, if not better. There are plenty fo self taught people from the age of the internet. The ability to access any information at any time is powerful enough. The problem is now, the age of misinformation. You can access it all, now you just need to be able to sort and vet.
Horza
11-22-2019, 08:38 PM
feniin has a family who loves him. Poor bastard.
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:39 PM
feniin has a family who loves him. Poor bastard.
what a fucking loser. progeny? gross.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 08:41 PM
Debt is a willing transaction, you have the freedom of choice in the US to accept loans, payments, debt of any sort. If you inherit debt by somehow, I'd wage you could reasonable pay off any debt and if treated unfairly can seek legal counsel.
Do you guys have to pay 'rates' to your local council / low level governing entity? That is a debt which you don't have agency in.
There are other costs which you don't have much choice in (think the base levels of the pyramid of needs model from psychology; physiological and safety needs). Food, water, shelter. These are do or die: if you are living pay cheque to pay cheque you may have to open a credit line to meet these basic needs.
Personally I avoid debt, as I don't like financing banks, and try to make investments rather than sit on cash, however I can see how debt can become a slippery slope trap for people struggling to find a wage that can maintain their basic needs.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:42 PM
I'm pursuing the exact realm of personal growth I want to be. You're too insecure to understand that, I think. I voluntarily left my career. Not sure how or why you think that a father raising his child is some inferior venture. You're still clearly a sexist incel.
Right and I'm saying you are satisfied with giving up any type of career or doing anything more than just staying at home and working from home. Some people work from home, raise a child and are going to school. Some people do much more than you are doing. You've limited yourself to a non-social, low responsibility job (there is no validation for raising a child, anyone can have a child). Based on what you've said here, you can't even be a good father and explain to your son people have differing opinions and he should be able to formulate his own. For some reason your wife wants to have the career and progress, and you want to be lazy and play everquest. I don't even want to know how many hours you've logged in Everquest and then consider yourself a motivator or pragmatic lol.
Now you wonder why you have the opinion you have.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 08:43 PM
They asked the same thing about oil and water. Didn't work. At all.
So what is the political version of an emulsifier?
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:44 PM
Right and I'm saying you are satisfied with giving up any type of career or doing anything more than just staying at home and working from home. Some people work from home, raise a child and are going to school. Some people do much more than you are doing. You've limited yourself to a non-social, low responsibility job (there is no validation for raising a child, anyone can have a child). Based on what you've said here, you can't even be a good father and explain to your son people have differing opinions and he should be able to formulate his own. For some reason your wife wants to have the career and progress, and you want to be lazy and play everquest. I don't even want to know how many hours you've logged in Everquest and then consider yourself a motivator or pragmatic lol.
Now you wonder why you have the opinion you have.
I've already gone to school. I've already had my career. I have enough financial stability to work as little as I want while my wife pursues her dream career. Sorry that you're an incel that doesn't understand anything about a relationship. You're not going to win this one.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:48 PM
Do you guys have to pay 'rates' to your local council / low level governing entity? That is a debt which you don't have agency in.
There are other costs which you don't have much choice in (think the base levels of the pyramid of needs model from psychology; physiological and safety needs). Food, water, shelter. These are do or die: if you are living pay cheque to pay cheque you may have to open a credit line to meet these basic needs.
Personally I avoid debt, as I don't like financing banks, and try to make investments rather than sit on cash, however I can see how debt can become a slippery slope trap for people struggling to find a wage that can maintain their basic needs.
Well, there are definitely rates to most local councils or state governments. These are things Republicans are actually against. Republicans feel that the market sets the rate. Competition and moral ends up setting a precedent. If you go to a restaurant and they treat you like shit, you leave and never come back. Democrats feel that people who earn more need to pay in more to support people that don't. Republicans feel that more people abuse the system than actually need it. You'd be surprised how many people are not doing more than they can; myself included. They also believe that local community and charities should be the back bone of the community and not government taxing. Anything forced is bad and as we are saying equates to some level of slavery.
On water, food, and shelter. You must pay for those at your own cost to private organizations. They typically require a deposit up front. If you cannot afford these, we do have government subsidized programs that feed, and shelter those who need it. Republicans want less government involvement there as well and feel as though the community you are local to should be your first outreach.
It's just a difference in philosophy. Republicans believe if a water company tries to take advantage, in a free open market, another one can come along at a cheaper rate and supply the same water without any fool play from the other side. Democrats believe if the government helps regulate a lot of it, it will reduce pricing because it is government subsidized.
Horza
11-22-2019, 08:49 PM
You've limited yourself to a non-social, low responsibility job (there is no validation for raising a child, anyone can have a child).
https://i.imgur.com/LvnPObz.gif
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:49 PM
I've already gone to school. I've already had my career. I have enough financial stability to work as little as I want while my wife pursues her dream career. Sorry that you're an incel that doesn't understand anything about a relationship. You're not going to win this one.
All to be a stay at home dad that plays Everquest all day and become a book keeper. Your eulogy would be awesome.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:50 PM
https://i.imgur.com/LvnPObz.gif
Point there being - anyone can get pregnant and have a baby. That doesn't automatically make you a good dad or mom? Agree or disagree?
And for clarity because you are reaching again to appease that little boner you might get for getting a response - I say low responsibility because he has openly admitted to also working from home. Low interaction job with a child of 11 years old isn't something I would be proud of especially while being so adamant about helping other people outside my realm.
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:53 PM
All to be a stay at home dad that plays Everquest all day and become a book keeper. Your eulogy would be awesome.
your definition of fulfillment and success is depressing. try to have a human relationship instead of spending your entire life trying to tear down other people. involuntary celibacy is reversible if you just stop being such a fucking idiot.
Horza
11-22-2019, 08:53 PM
All to be a stay at home dad that plays Everquest all day and become a book keeper. Your eulogy would be awesome.
You do realize that our society requires bookkeepers and accountants to function?
feniin
11-22-2019, 08:57 PM
You do realize that our society requires bookkeepers and accountants to function?
I don't think he realizes how dumb he sounds. It's typical of the white nationalists, though.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 08:57 PM
You do realize that our society requires bookkeepers and accountants to function?
Yes I do, I'm in risk management. I go to the office everyday. Travel to reinsurance conferences. Installs. Everything. I guarantee I am younger and can ask him accounting practices he's never heard of.
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 08:58 PM
Do you guys have to pay 'rates' to your local council / low level governing entity? That is a debt which you don't have agency in.
There are other costs which you don't have much choice in (think the base levels of the pyramid of needs model from psychology; physiological and safety needs). Food, water, shelter. These are do or die: if you are living pay cheque to pay cheque you may have to open a credit line to meet these basic needs.
Personally I avoid debt, as I don't like financing banks, and try to make investments rather than sit on cash, however I can see how debt can become a slippery slope trap for people struggling to find a wage that can maintain their basic needs.
You don't elect your councils?
I think NYC has income tax, is that what rate means?
Horza
11-22-2019, 09:01 PM
I guarantee I am younger and can ask him accounting practices he's never heard of.
https://i.imgur.com/fjJWHgR.jpg
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 09:04 PM
Think you just got a different mindset. I'm always hungry for more information, hence why I'm here, even if it's shit. Enjoy the political discourse.
I'll always strive to be competitive, helpful and knowledgeable in any field I work in. I won't be satisfied in the workplace because I don't think of the world as a zero sum game. Always need to be fighting for a higher role or become your own boss. That is always the goal.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 09:05 PM
Well, there are definitely rates to most local councils or state governments. These are things Republicans are actually against. Republicans feel that the market sets the rate. Competition and moral ends up setting a precedent. If you go to a restaurant and they treat you like shit, you leave and never come back. Democrats feel that people who earn more need to pay in more to support people that don't. Republicans feel that more people abuse the system than actually need it. You'd be surprised how many people are not doing more than they can; myself included. They also believe that local community and charities should be the back bone of the community and not government taxing. Anything forces is bad and as we are saying equates to some level of slavery.
On water, food, and shelter. You must pay for those at your own cost to private organizations. They typically require a deposit up front. If you cannot afford these, we do have government subsidized programs that feed, and shelter those who need it. Republicans want less government involvement there as well and feel as though the community you are local to should be your first outreach.
It's just a difference in philosophy. Republicans believe if a water company tries to take advantage, in a free open market, another one can come along at a cheaper rate and supply the same water without any fool play from the other side. Democrats believe if the government helps regulate a lot of it, it will reduce pricing because it is government subsidized.
That's an interesting post.
I do have some questions.
It's easy to get people to sign up for plumbed water when you are the only gig in town, but if a second company starts up... I struggle to see how they would be able to take a significant share of the market and the amount of infrastructure involved in a water company means the outlay for a new company to open up would be astronomical. I mean they could come to arrangement to share infrastructure with the existing company (seems unlikely), but then that has it's own problems.
Honestly, it doesn't look like services which involve massive one time infrastructure investments (with large upkeep costs) really fit the free market model. Each area will have its own monopoly. Some kind of socialism seems to make sense for these cases where there can be no meaningful free market competition, even if it is just a mechanism or vehicle to introduce free market competition.
I don't believe socialism only leads to communism, there seems to be many instances of where it has lead to capitalism (I know in the UK lots of national services got privatised). In fact socialism seems to have helped a lot of countries industrialise and create infrastructure quickly in a standardised, scalable fashion, and use it as a stepping stone into capitalism. A problem with the development of infrastructure in a freemarket system is there is very little standardisation and this is not efficient or scalable.
I'm surprised to hear the Republicans believe in the local community supporting those who are unable to provide themselves food and shelter. That is literal socialism (or indeed communism if the vulnerable person pools their labour or other resources in exchange for the food). Seems at odds with what they are about. Perhaps they envision some kind of capitalist commune (oxymoron I know) work house where those in poverty can fulfil their physical, safety, and physiological needs as a stepping stone out of poverty?
Horza
11-22-2019, 09:09 PM
If I stop making fun will you teach us all secret accounting practices we've never heard of?
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 09:10 PM
You don't elect your councils?
I think NYC has income tax, is that what rate means?
We elect the councillors, but the council as a governing body is made of long term employees and provides services such as refuse collection, public libraries, schools, fire and rescue, police and so on.
Residents must pay an annual fee (which is determined by the value of a typical property on your road like 30 years ago or something archaic), which works out as a three figure number every month. It is not a % of income, but a flat rate.
Horza
11-22-2019, 09:13 PM
Seriously, I must know these forbidden accounting techniques!
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 09:16 PM
That's an interesting post.
I do have some questions.
It's easy to get people to sign up for plumbed water when you are the only gig in town, but if a second company starts up... I struggle to see how they would be able to take a significant share of the market and the amount of infrastructure involved in a water company means the outlay for a new company to open up would be astronomical. I mean they could come to arrangement to share infrastructure with the existing company (seems unlikely), but then that has it's own problems.
Honestly, it doesn't look like services which involve massive one time infrastructure investments (with large upkeep costs) really fit the free market model. Each area will have its own monopoly. Some kind of socialism seems to make sense for these cases where there can be no meaningful free market competition, even if it is just a mechanism or vehicle to introduce free market competition.
I don't believe socialism only leads to communism, there seems to be many instances of where it has lead to capitalism (I know in the UK lots of national services got privatised). In fact socialism seems to have helped a lot of countries industrialise and create infrastructure quickly in a standardised, scalable fashion, and use it as a stepping stone into capitalism. A problem with the development of infrastructure in a freemarket system is there is very little standardisation and this is not efficient or scalable.
I'm surprised to hear the Republicans believe in the local community supporting those who are unable to provide themselves food and shelter. That is literal socialism (or indeed communism if the vulnerable person pools their labour or other resources in exchange for the food). Seems at odds with what they are about. Perhaps they envision some kind of capitalist commune (oxymoron I know) work house where those in poverty can fulfil their physical, safety, and physiological needs as a stepping stone out of poverty?
While I am in agreement about monopolies and some laws being in place, you'd be surprised how fast another business can get started and how quick wealth changes. I think the statistic is that over a 20 year span, its always flipped. The poor people aren't always staying poor. The number is always rolling in and out. Some people who are poor become rich. Some people who were rich go poor. The top corporations in the US have rarely lasted over 100 years. Every large corporation right now (social media) is new to the world's richest list. This is always changing. You get one company doing all the water and they have an outage, you are pretty screwed. You want diversity. The PG&E fires in CA are a good example of government contracts.
Obviously there will need to be some laws in place to limit some of these things but overall the Republicans want less. This is why they don't want socialized healthcare. The option to choose what doctor you want is massive and where you want to go.
On the Republicans going to their community. This isn't socialism. Socialism means that is regulated. Regulated means forced by the community or government. The less you must force someone to give up something they rightfully earned, the better. The more you have involvement that is willingly from your community, the better. I think I already cited the statistic but Republicans donate more money to charity and more blood than Democrats. We just believe in giving freely.
Also you just need to look at history. The common oppressor in every war is one government against another, not one corporation against another. Government has the means to operate by force.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 09:18 PM
Seriously, I must know these forbidden accounting techniques!
We aren't hiring people like you and yes that is absolutely discrimination against your kind, whatever you are. Internet troll, no life loser, pick one. They don't pay 100K for those.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 09:24 PM
While I am in agreement about monopolies and some laws being in place, you'd be surprised how fast another business can get started and how quick wealth changes. I think the statistic is that over a 20 year span, its always flipped. The poor people aren't always staying poor. The number is always rolling in and out. Some people who are poor become rich. Some people who were rich go poor. The top corporations in the US have rarely lasted over 100 years. Every large corporation right now (social media) is new to the world's richest list. This is always changing. You get one company doing all the water and they have an outage, you are pretty screwed. You want diversity. The PG&E fires in CA are a good example of government contracts.
Obviously there will need to be some laws in place to limit some of these things but overall the Republicans want less. This is why they don't want socialized healthcare. The option to choose what doctor you want is massive and where you want to go.
On the Republicans going to their community. This isn't socialism. Socialism means that is regulated. Regulated means forced by the community or government. The less you must force someone to give up something they rightfully earned, the better. The more you have involvement that is willingly from your community, the better. I think I already cited the statistic but Republicans donate more money to charity and more blood than Democrats. We just believe in giving freely.
Thank you for clarifying that point about community adhesion. I think I got caught up in the alarmist socialism = inevitable communism definition someone put up earlier.
You do realise that with socialised health care available you can still chose to use private alternatives? And even within the socialised health care system you would have redundancy in which doctors you could use?
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 09:28 PM
We elect the councillors, but the council as a governing body is made of long term employees and provides services such as refuse collection, public libraries, schools, fire and rescue, police and so on.
Residents must pay an annual fee (which is determined by the value of a typical property on your road like 30 years ago or something archaic), which works out as a three figure number every month. It is not a % of income, but a flat rate.
Do the councillors set the rates? If you have representation you have agency.
Put tea in harbor if not. That's how America did it.
Horza
11-22-2019, 09:31 PM
We aren't hiring people like you and yes that is absolutely discrimination against your kind, whatever you are. Internet troll, no life loser, pick one. They don't pay 100K for those.
I believe the alt-right meme that you're thinking of was posted already a few pages back.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 09:34 PM
Do the councillors set the rates? If you have representation you have agency.
Put tea in harbor if not. That's how America did it.
I'm pretty sure its the deep government department of the council that sets the rates, based on costs / expenditures and the like.
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 09:37 PM
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Valeriya
11-22-2019, 09:41 PM
I love guns and coffee
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BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 09:48 PM
Thank you for clarifying that point about community adhesion. I think I got caught up in the alarmist socialism = inevitable communism definition someone put up earlier.
You do realise that with socialised health care available you can still chose to use private alternatives? And even within the socialised health care system you would have redundancy in which doctors you could use?
Well there are plenty of arguments there. People from all other world come to the US to work in the healthcare system. We have a large number of people from India, Middle East, all over the world. The reason for this is because the pay rate is determined by the market of what someone wants to pay for a doctor. If the government were to tell them they are on a socialized program, they decide the rate of their pay. This stops people from wanting to come to America for their opportunity of a good life due to years of schooling. This also puts us on the cutting edge of medicine.
In our system, they are advocating for government selected pay system. Since they are looking to reduce costs and socialize everyone for healthcare, they will pick your doctor and the rate the doctor will be paid at a convenience to the government to make sure the program is working and so you aren't driving 2 hours away to a doctor 5x the cost because you make more.
There are advocates for a mixed system. The problem with that is I work in risk management for an insurance company. Insurance is always a pool with either profit or loss. Losses are always changing. While the rich would be paying in more to help offset what the poor can't afford, it's always the question of at what curve? What adjustments do you need to make? Insurance is never great at this unless they are just charging a very high premium to cover any future losses. It's basically a business and the people always do those better. Can look up the private police force in Texas I cited earlier, our USPS system is terrible and considered one of the worst for shipping, prison systems are underfunded, education is underfunded, infrastructure is underfunded, can go on and on.
Jimjam
11-22-2019, 09:57 PM
Well there are plenty of arguments there. People from all other world come to the US to work in the healthcare system. We have a large number of people from India, Middle East, all over the world. The reason for this is because the pay rate is determined by the market of what someone wants to pay for a doctor. If the government were to tell them they are on a socialized program, they decide the rate of their pay. This stops people from wanting to come to America for their opportunity of a good life due to years of schooling.
In our system, they are advocating for government selected pay system. Since they are looking to reduce costs and socialize everyone for healthcare, they will pick your doctor and the rate the doctor will be paid at a convenience to the government to make sure the program is working and so you aren't driving 2 hours away to a doctor 5x the cost because you make more.
There are advocates for a mixed system. The problem with that is I work in risk management for an insurance company. Insurance is always a pool with either profit or loss. Losses are always changing. While the rich would be paying in more to help offset what the poor can't afford, it's always the question of at what curve? What adjustments do you need to make? Insurance is never great at this unless they are just charging a very high premium to cover any future losses. It's basically a business.
I disagree that the free market within America's healthcare is what brings foreign health workers to America.
Many Indian doctors stay in India (where I believe there is a highly developed public health system), others come to the UK (which again again has a national health system and is largely Indian friendly, though I will freely admit there are still plenty of 'send them home' types), others still head to the USA, or all over the world!
There is a global market on health care experts, and it doesn't really matter if the employer is a private company or a government body, all of these nationalised and private health systems are competing to attract doctors from all over the world. There is actually a free market on doctor pay globally which all providers compete on, regardless of if they are private or not!
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 09:59 PM
What's bad about USPS?
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 10:03 PM
"In general, the UK is less fast paced than the US, particularly the 6 year programs. They learn more clinical medicine and do less work related things than in the states. Students in the UK are free to come and go in the wards as they choose but are given less responsibilities and opportunities, while in the US during your final 2 years you are given a job and you must show up. Your hours are long as a US clinical student. As a resident, UK doctors work less hours, but their training is longer. As a staff, UK doctors work less hours but also get paid less than US doctors."
From an Indian doctor when the question was posed "Why do Indian doctors come to the US?"
"This is in pursuit for better life. Doctors earn better and lead a very prosperous and safe life there in US. In comparison to US,In India, a very few doctors live that prosperous life."
And yes I agree, the world is capitalist.
BallzDeep
11-22-2019, 10:04 PM
What's bad about USPS?
Have you ever ordered a package from them or gone to pick it up? They lose shit all the time, their employees hate their job and they never pick up the phone. Overworked, understaffed, and behind on tech.
I love guns and coffee
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gotta respect you for liking BRCC.
Wonkie
11-22-2019, 10:28 PM
Have you ever ordered a package from them or gone to pick it up? They lose shit all the time, their employees hate their job and they never pick up the phone. Overworked, understaffed, and behind on tech.
Does not match my experience in the Seattle metro. Had one misrouted one time I guess. Stuff gets here in 2 days from Illinois. It's really pretty okay!
Do you live rural?
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 10:41 PM
Hey Horza you should get a job down at the port....... you talk way to much
Rader
11-22-2019, 10:59 PM
Hey Horza you should get a job down at the port....... you talk way to much
Val, seriously. Horza is the Retard of the Retards. You shouldn't let him bait you into these day long convos. Same with most of the other libturds whose lives are so pathetic that they have to post online their hate for Donald Trump 24/7 to validate themselves and virtue signal their buttbuddies.
Remember libturds, yes, you control the House.
But who controls the Senate? And who controls the White House?
Not you, you dumb F! na na na-na, na na na, hey hey hey, you suck
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 11:06 PM
Bait me ohhhhh I just like giving him shit cause his cry baby temper makes me laugh
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 11:07 PM
Im aware of what hes trying to do
Valeriya
11-22-2019, 11:40 PM
:D
Horza
11-23-2019, 02:18 AM
Val, seriously. Horza is the Retard of the Retards. You shouldn't let him bait you into these day long convos. Same with most of the other libturds whose lives are so pathetic that they have to post online their hate for Donald Trump 24/7 to validate themselves and virtue signal their buttbuddies.
Some solid arguments against impeachment you've got there, just call anyone who dares to disagree with you a retarded homosexual.
BallzDeep
11-23-2019, 03:39 AM
Does not match my experience in the Seattle metro. Had one misrouted one time I guess. Stuff gets here in 2 days from Illinois. It's really pretty okay!
Do you live rural?
No, I'm in Austin. Tech hub for Texas. Other delivery services have better updates, allow much better rerouting. If you've ever tried to get a passport or any service for that matter, you should plan atleast an hour here. Although, I'd say Austin is pretty overpopulated for the infrastructure.
Valeriya
11-23-2019, 01:17 PM
Some solid arguments against impeachment you've got there, just call anyone who dares to disagree with you a retarded homosexual.
I cant wait to see you cry when he gets elected again.... quit your denial horza and grow some balls
Valeriya
11-23-2019, 01:19 PM
'
Valeriya
11-23-2019, 01:29 PM
Come on over Horza
Rainik Stormseeker
11-23-2019, 02:00 PM
Liberals are not the same as Leftists. Classical liberals actually believe in liberty..
HAIL TRUMP, his shit smells like flowers and he`s never wrong. And if he`s wrong its fake news!
Wonkie
11-23-2019, 02:12 PM
Liberals are not the same as Leftists. Classical liberals actually believe in liberty..
Liberalism is an economic philosophy. When they mention liberty they mean extracting value from Labour.
Hope this helps.
Rainik Stormseeker
11-23-2019, 02:20 PM
Liberalism is an economic philosophy. When they mention liberty they mean extracting value from Labour.
Hope this helps.
lol false; even wikipedia has it right
Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism, it developed in the early 19th century, building on ideas from the previous century as a response to urbanisation and to the Industrial Revolution in Europe and the United States.[1][2][3] Notable individuals whose ideas contributed to classical liberalism include John Locke,[4] Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Robert Malthus and David Ricardo. It drew on the classical economic ideas espoused by Adam Smith in Book One of The Wealth of Nations and on a belief in natural law,[5] utilitarianism[6] and progress.[7] The term classical liberalism has often been applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from social liberalism.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
Rainik Stormseeker
11-23-2019, 02:22 PM
Meanwhile, this is what a leftist sounds like-
My plan, as a candidate for president, on these drug prices is as follows: We are going to set drug prices (...) at fair market. Essentially what we're going to do is set a price for drugs that's the average price being charged around the globe. And there's a huge difference, insulin being an example.
The other thing is this: if people don't want to cooperate with that, I'm also going to do the next thing, which is this: A lot of drugs, prescription medicate, was born out of the federal funding for the research and development of that drug. Your taxpayer dollars.
So for any drug where they fail to play by our rules, and if that drug came about from federal funding for R&D, research and development, I will snatch their patent. So, that we will take over. Yes, we can do that! Yes, yes, we can do that! Yes, we can do that. The question is whether you have the will to do it. I have the will to do it.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1198113793848438784
Wonkie
11-23-2019, 02:33 PM
lol false; even wikipedia has it right
Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom. Closely related to economic liberalism
Horza
11-23-2019, 02:58 PM
Trump says FBI tried to 'overthrow the presidency.' (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/23/trump-russia-investigation-fbi-inspector-general)
Attorney General William Barr has said he believed “spying” occured, but he made it clear earlier this year he had no evidence that any surveillance was illegal or improper. Trump insists that members of the Obama administration “at the highest levels” were spying on his 2016 campaign.
Teppler
11-23-2019, 07:57 PM
https://i.imgur.com/OHBHn3j.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OHBHn3j.jpg
They're gonna lose the House and it's gonna be great. ;)
Not all Americans are brainwashed lemmings, some actually think for themselves and can distinguish between fact and reality.
Horza
11-23-2019, 08:06 PM
breitbart.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/76o5wSJ.gif
Yeah, I'd be sweating too if I were you. ;)
Horza
11-24-2019, 03:57 AM
Andrew Yang refuses to go on MSNBC until they apologize 'on-air' for not letting him go on MSNBC. (https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1198258580996214784)
Teppler
11-24-2019, 11:38 AM
Can anyone explain why it’s racist to call Obama, “Barry Hussein”? :confused:
Teppler
11-24-2019, 11:55 AM
Nice delete wonkie. That’s not an answer to why the name is racist, you just think I’m racist.
Wonkie
11-24-2019, 11:56 AM
Can anyone explain why it’s racist to call Obama, “Barry Hussein”? :confused:
Why would a person like you defy conventional syntax to imply Muslimosity?
Gee that's a tough one.
feniin
11-24-2019, 11:57 AM
Nice delete wonkie. That’s not an answer to why the name is racist, you just know I’m racist.
:o
Wonkie
11-24-2019, 11:58 AM
:o
It is known.
Teppler
11-24-2019, 12:00 PM
What’s wrong with the name Hussein? Wonkie are you implying Barack Hussein should hide his name or be ashamed of it? Sounds racist on your end tbqh.
Wonkie
11-24-2019, 12:02 PM
What’s wrong with the name Hussein. Wonkie are you implying Barack Hussein should hide his name or be ashamed of it? Sounds racist on your end tbqh.
So you're saying
Teppler
11-24-2019, 12:04 PM
I think Barry Hussein is a fine name he should be proud of. Why do you think that name should be hidden and not said Wonk?
Wonkie
11-24-2019, 12:08 PM
I think Barry Hussein is a fine name he should be proud of. Why do you think that name should be hidden and not said Wonk?
Whom exactly do you think you're fooling with this shtick?
WHOM
Teppler
11-24-2019, 12:09 PM
Whom exactly do you think you're fooling with this shtick?
WHOM
Logic = schtick lol
Nice pilpul escape
Teppler
11-24-2019, 12:10 PM
This is why you don’t get smarter wonkie. Instead of following this conversation through to a logical end you resorted to personal attack. You will never grow in your viewpoints like that.
Wonkie
11-24-2019, 12:13 PM
This is why you don’t get smarter wonkie. Instead of following this conversation through to a logical end you resorted to personal attack. You will never grow in your viewpoints like that.
I already know how to be annoying.
Teppler
11-24-2019, 12:15 PM
Too bad you don’t know how to be intelligent.
Wonkie
11-24-2019, 12:18 PM
Too bad you don’t know how to be intelligent.
Horza
11-24-2019, 01:36 PM
Nice pilpul escape
Out come the antisemitic dog whistles.
Horza
11-24-2019, 02:49 PM
Michael Bloomberg confirms White House run and kicks off thirty million dollar ad buy. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/24/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-campaign-ad)
Former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg announced a presidential run, unveiling a minute-long campaign video that called the billionaire, one of the richest men in the world, a “middle class kid who made good.” Bloomberg’s campaign has reserved more than thirty million dollars in television ad time, called the largest ad buy in primary election history.
Valeriya
11-24-2019, 09:13 PM
Michael Bloomberg confirms White House run and kicks off thirty million dollar ad buy. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/24/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidential-campaign-ad)
Former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg announced a presidential run, unveiling a minute-long campaign video that called the billionaire, one of the richest men in the world, a “middle class kid who made good.” Bloomberg’s campaign has reserved more than thirty million dollars in television ad time, called the largest ad buy in primary election history.
Shut up Horza and get a job you libturd bum
feniin
11-24-2019, 11:42 PM
Biden described four potential female Vice Presidents, but apparently couldn't recall any of their names. "The leader of the, uh, the woman who should’ve been the governor of Georgia, an African American woman who is incredibly good." (https://twitter.com/kallllisti/status/1198683905420738560)
Yikes. She would be a great VP, too. Shame he can't recall her name. Abrams should be gov. It's criminal how that election was stolen and nobody did anything about it.
Horza
11-24-2019, 11:51 PM
You replied before I could find a better version of the video to repost. :mad:
feniin
11-24-2019, 11:52 PM
You replied before I could find a better version of the video to repost. :mad:
:cool:
Horza
11-24-2019, 11:54 PM
Now I will be forever associated with a twitter user who self-identifies as a xennial and has an embarrassing anime avatar.
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