******Official politics thread ******

[Zeboim]

Too bad the wall is a joke. They're literally sawing holes in it and walking through.

Nevermind that most illegals actually just overstay their visas after legally entering.

[tinklepee]

Yeah, too bad...

[Teppler]

You might as well leave the front door wide open because most burglars use the back.

[Zeboim]

Do you buy A 500k front door with military grade protection while leaving the back door unlocked? Especially while listening to the military grade door salesman?


Glad the the Monorail episode of the Simpsons remains accurate.

[Domo]

Teppler wants to live in a bunker with no windows

[Jimjam]

If by "back door" you mean refugee rights as established by the international order in the aftermath of Europe being razed by populist forces in WW2, then yeah, sure.

I think following the thread of the conversation we are talking about legal visitors illegaly overstaying their visa when we are saying backdoor.

[tinklepee]

And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the ones who died who gave that right to me
And I'll gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God Bless the USA

I guarantee most immigrants couldn't tell you who sings this song, and I'm supposed to believe they're just as American as me??

[Wonkie]

And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the ones who died who gave that right to me
And I'll gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God Bless the USA

I guarantee most immigrants couldn't tell you who sings this song, and I'm supposed to believe they're just as American as me??

Lee green or something, flag hag.

[tinklepee]

You may have googled it so we'll need to take Alejandro's brand new iPhone 11 Pro Max (wtf why does this refugee have Yeezys on?) from him before he takes the test.

[Jimjam]

And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the ones who died who gave that right to me
And I'll gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today
Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land, God Bless the USA

I guarantee most immigrants couldn't tell you who sings this song, and I'm supposed to believe they're just as American as me??

Establishment propaganda; rise up! Bare your teeth, flex your arms.

[Teppler]

Do you buy A 500k front door with military grade protection while leaving the back door unlocked? Especially while listening to the military grade door salesman?


Glad the the Monorail episode of the Simpsons remains accurate.

Except we have broken hobbling front door that needs work.

Not to mention border walls have been amazingly effective throughout history basically.

Israel had a very effective border wall right now. You don’t hate Israel do you?

[Wonkie]

Except we have broken hobbling front door that needs work.

Daddy Bush Jr would have fixed it if it were an actual problem. It's not. Most illegal immigration is legal.


Israel had a very effective border wall right now. You don’t hate Israel do you?

https://i.imgur.com/0AXlBTh.gif

[tinklepee]

https://explorer.usaid.gov/aid-trends.html

Can't afford better healthcare, can't afford alleviating the student debt crisis, can't afford a wall, can't afford to repair crumbling infrastructure...

Can afford giving away a trillion dollars to smelly foreigners.

[Jimjam]

https://explorer.usaid.gov/aid-trends.html

Can't afford better healthcare, can't afford alleviating the student debt crisis, can't afford a wall, can't afford to repair crumbling infrastructure...

Can afford giving away a trillion dollars to smelly foreigners.

Is it a bribe to make them stay in their own countries (also a bribe for their officials to be accomodating to the US and her business interests in their county)?

[Wonkie]

https://explorer.usaid.gov/aid-trends.html

Can't afford better healthcare, can't afford alleviating the student debt crisis, can't afford a wall, can't afford to repair crumbling infrastructure...

Can afford giving away a trillion dollars to smelly foreigners.

49b
Total Obligations

i looked at canada and it's mostly enviromental project partnerships

go stand in the corner

[Domo]

I saw once a interessting documentary that its pretty easy to sell millitary goods to america as long you appeal on their patriotism etc.

It was something like "The american millitary got 1000 rockets, but need only 50 to blow up the whole world. But its still easy to convert the american goverment that they need 500 more, just in case"

The US millitary is like a money printing machine for a lot of companys. German companys like "Heckler und Koch" included.

[tinklepee]

I think they all get together in a room and just blurt out "Let's give 200 billion to Turkadurkastan!" and everyone busts out laughing. We're their bitch, their sissy paypigs, and they laugh at us as they spend our money.

[Wonkie]

I think they all get together in a room and just blurt out "Let's give 200 billion to Turkadurkastan!" and everyone busts out laughing. We're their bitch, their sissy paypigs, and they laugh at us as they spend our money.

where did you get the a trillion figure

[tinklepee]

49b
Total Obligations

i looked at canada and it's mostly enviromental project partnerships

go stand in the corner

1 trillion over the past 25 years. Canada is basically a smaller, less cool, America so doesn't count.

[Wonkie]

1 trillion over the past 25 years.

dont post again dum dum

[tinklepee]

A cool $1 trillion... heh pay up piggy :cool:

[Wonkie]

A cool $1 trillion... heh pay up piggy :cool:

what number revenue. what number???

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/oQFZLa6.jpg

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/oQFZLa6.jpg

Now imagine if Walmart couldn’t find enough workers because there’s only so many low class workers. They would have to raise their wages to find workers. This could be America with actual immigration enforced.

[Domo]

there are people who dont have the luxury to ignore a job offer. But hey, you dont care about such details right?

[feniin]

Even if Wal-Mart raised wages they would lower other benefits and hours.

[Wonkie]

Now imagine if Walmart couldn’t find enough workers because there’s only so many low class workers. They would have to raise their wages to find workers. This could be America with actual immigration enforced.

I mean sure, if you want inflation to burn down the hegemon.

Do you?

[Teppler]

I mean sure, if you want inflation to burn down the hegemon.

Do you?

When I say wages rising I'm referring to real inflation adjusted wages. Nice try though.

[Teppler]

Even if Wal-Mart raised wages they would lower other benefits and hours.

You aren't understanding supply and demand. If supply is low, they need to offer greater value to attract workers. That means wages and benefits together.

[Wonkie]

When I say wages rising I'm referring to real inflation adjusted wages. Nice try though.

Ain't no such thang baby gurl. Miss me with that Modern Monetary Theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EgA2VzQFRA

[Zeboim]

Walmart is hardly the culprit for hiring illegals anyways. They just scrape the bottom of the legal bucket. Ag, construction, yard and Hospitality are the big culprits. Walmart will always have a fertile field of kids and rejects that it hires at bottom barrel prices with government support(food stamps). Expect them to be basically the last to ever actually raise wages.

[Domo]

i bet walmart managers get a bonus to save billions on the poor

[Kaveh]

You really can’t complain if you’ve ever shopped at Walmart. My hands are clean

[Wonkie]

You really can’t complain if you’ve ever shopped at Walmart. My hands are clean

oh bullshit. you participate in usury and therefore deserve Christ's scorn. :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/vfxaRI7.jpg

[tinklepee]

I maxed out a Walmart store card and then never paid it back. David vs Goliath.

[Wonkie]

I maxed out a Walmart store card and then never paid it back. David vs Goliath.

o7 thank you for your service

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/YUNkMY5.jpg

[Rader]

https://i.imgur.com/YUNkMY5.jpg

You forgot the "Impeach someone because you are so lame you can't beat them in a fair and honest election".

[Domo]

You forgot the "Impeach someone because you are so lame you can't beat them in a fair and honest election".

https://i.imgur.com/kG941yL.jpg

[Rader]

https://i.imgur.com/kG941yL.jpg

LOL I am not the one sniveling like a crybaby

Good try, loser libturd

Your tears I drink up with great joy

Is that the best you can come up with?

[Wonkie]

You forgot the "Impeach someone because you are so lame you can't beat them in a fair and honest election".

I'll make you a deal: don't do crimes and you won't get impeached.

[Domo]

LOL I am not the one sniveling like a crybaby

Good try, loser libturd

Your tears I drink up with great joy

Is that the best you can come up with?

I think you are.

Trump tryed as President to do a quid pro quo, which is illegal in your country, and you either dont understand it, ignore it or are to stupid to understand it. And now ya bitching on the Internet that its someone else fault but not the fault of dear leader. You`re crying. Sad!

[Wonkie]

I think you are.

Trump tryed as President to do a quid pro quo, which is illegal in your country, and you either dont understand it, ignore it or are to stupid to understand it. And now ya bitching on the Internet that its someone else fault but not the fault of dear leader. You`re crying. Sad!

Quid pro quo is only legal in America if you film it. :cool:

[Kaveh]

I mean sure, if you want inflation to burn down the hegemon.

Do you?

Specious argument. Consumer spending fuels our economy. Taking Greenland and Africa could fuel it in the future. If global integration is the net result anyway, why not have our progeny in a position of power as opposed to paying taxes for opioid addicts and immigrants?

I’m not taking a stance, merely asking a moral question. If the world is inevitably going to shit, why not empower those with the capacity to save it? I’m sorry, but Iraq and Nigeria aren’t going to save humanity. America and the EU just might

[Kaveh]

Real talk, we should legalize all drugs. Tired of prisons, addicts, and cartels. Prohibition fuels violence on a global scale

[Jimjam]

Real talk, we should legalize all drugs. Tired of prisons, addicts, and cartels. Prohibition fuels violence on a global scale

Drugs is drugs, huge social harm consequences regardless of legality. Decriminalisation can relieve some of the burden of this but to imply it will completely relieve these problems is incredibly ingenious.

On the subject of consumer spending being the fuel for the economy this is an argument for immigration. More consumers more spending. Don't forget that human life is essentially profitable, ie boosts the economy. Sounds good.

But there is more to society than boosting economy. The UK is the fifth richest nation on Earth, and despite this a fifth of children are born into poverty. Technology has driven down the need for skilled labour; a few largely unskilled workers can vastly exceed the productivity of the same numbers of workers in the victorian industrial era. The labour market is flooded and it is common place for working families to rely on foodbanks to avoid starvation.

So we can see things which benefit the economy can actually be harmful to the majority of society. Money is like gravity. Large concerntrations pool and strip away those smaller reservoirs.

[Kaveh]

I do not advocate doing things for GDP growth. Heraclius melted down all of the gold in Constantinople’s churches to to keep the Empire alive. He led every able bodied man in Greece into Armenia, where his imperial standard and holy cross rallied the Armenians to follow him into my homeland. There’s a lesson here, and it’s that Aryans should have their foot on the gas, and never allow melanin, addiction, atheism, communism, or social decay to break our spirit. This is the way

Social consequences of drugs ....
Drug prohibition causes the preventable issues. Legality doesn’t change the fact that a sizable portion of the population will always be useless garbage. The Nordic countries had the best model for fighting that before they became godless importers of melanin. I’m going to visit Armenia, Georgia, and Iran soon. I’ll report back on my (((findings)))

[Teppler]

The idea the legalizing drugs would be a great thing is a fantasy that would be ultra subversive in practice. It would result in much more people experimenting with ultra addictive opioids and things like heroin. People wandering the streets drugged out and offering to kids. I wouldn’t want this for my society.

[feniin]

The idea the legalizing drugs would be a great thing is a fantasy that would be ultra subversive in practice. It would result in much more people experimenting with ultra addictive opioids and things like heroin. People wandering the streets drugged out and offering to kids. I wouldn’t want this for my society.

Literally nobody gives away product.

[Wonkie]

I do not advocate doing things for GDP growth. Heraclius melted down all of the gold in Constantinople’s churches to to keep the Empire alive. He led every able bodied man in Greece into Armenia, where his imperial standard and holy cross rallied the Armenians to follow him into my homeland. There’s a lesson here, and it’s that Aryans should have their foot on the gas, and never allow melanin, addiction, atheism, communism, or social decay to break our spirit. This is the way


Bloodless fiscal coups better all belligerents. Bullets cost us too much.

did i do globalism right?

[Teppler]

Literally nobody gives away product.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking

[feniin]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_cocaine_trafficking

They aren't a rogue organization. The president directed that. And Bill Barr covered it up.

[tinklepee]

The US government is a rogue organization :(

[Jimjam]

The US government is a rogue organization :(

For sure. Propaganda machine that enslaves its people in debt and serves the interests of billionaires.

;)

[Kaveh]

For sure. Propaganda machine that enslaves its people in debt and serves the interests of billionaires.

;)

It’s very easy to never take any debt. Straight cash money

[Kaveh]

Bloodless fiscal coups better all belligerents. Bullets cost us too much.

did i do globalism right?

No, you didn’t

[Wonkie]

No, you didn’t

u sure? (https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/08/02/iran-sanctions-how-the-us-went-after-the-iranian-economy.html) :o

[Kaveh]

The US fucked over Iran, that’s for sure

[Jimjam]

The US fucked over Iran, that’s for sure

They did it for the billionaires.

[Kaveh]

Nah, that’s not (((why)))

[Rader]

I think you are.

Trump tryed as President to do a quid pro quo, which is illegal in your country, and you either dont understand it, ignore it or are to stupid to understand it. And now ya bitching on the Internet that its someone else fault but not the fault of dear leader. You`re crying. Sad!

Libturds have been trying to dig up sh-t on Trump since forever. You seriously do not get that?

The fact that Tump repsonded in kind, upsets you? Boo F ing hoo you stupid A-ss F-er

You are just upset that a conservative didn't respond like usual, and snivel and apologize. Well, get over yourself and deal with the fact that U suck

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/kG941yL.jpg

[Rader]

https://i.imgur.com/kG941yL.jpg

LOL, is that all you have, that same old stupid pic? Typical liburd, when confronted with facts, fall back on hashtags and snark.

[Domo]

I going to answer you, but do me a favor first ok?

[BadOrangeMan]

Save those tissues for when Erdogan opens the floodgates.

Enjoy your diversity.

[Tethler]

Libturds have been trying to dig up sh-t on Trump since forever. You seriously do not get that?

The fact that Tump repsonded in kind, upsets you? Boo F ing hoo you stupid A-ss F-er

You are just upset that a conservative didn't respond like usual, and snivel and apologize. Well, get over yourself and deal with the fact that U suck

There's no need at all to "dig shit up". His inept ass commits crimes and then tweets about it confirming the crime.

Even Valeriya has better posts here than you. Frankly, I'm embarrased for you almost every time I subject myself to reading one of your posts. Consider going back to high school and finishing that diploma, for you own sake.

[Domo]

Save those tissues for when Erdogan opens the floodgates.

Enjoy your diversity.


why are you wearing a Burka? post with your orginal account :)

[solleks]

high school diplomas are for idiots

[tinklepee]

lol we're really going to do it this time guys. donny-dum-dum is going down!

[BadOrangeMan]

why are you wearing a Burka? post with your orginal account :)

Not sure who you think I am, but this is my only forum account.

Are you sure you are allowed to make jokes about Burkas in your country? Mutti Merkel just a week or so ago went on a tirade against free speech. You should probably watch what you say.

[Domo]

in the language of your leader. You are a fake account. fake account.

[BadOrangeMan]

Well, at least you are making party-approved jokes now. Carry on, comrade. The Long March is only just beginning.

[Zeboim]

Mao was right to execute the landlords btw

[Wonkie]

Mao was right to execute the landlords btw

See?

[Rader]

There's no need at all to "dig shit up". His inept ass commits crimes and then tweets about it confirming the crime.

Even Valeriya has better posts here than you. Frankly, I'm embarrased for you almost every time I subject myself to reading one of your posts. Consider going back to high school and finishing that diploma, for you own sake.

LOL, someone who holds AOC, Adam Shit, Pelosi, Schumer, Mueller, McCabe, Page, StrokingIt, etc in high regard, is calling me out?

I take that as a badge of honor, frankly. Of course libturds hate hearing the truth. So bad so sad for you losers, good luck in the Senate trial and the 2020 election.

[Kaveh]

The truth....

That’s rich

[Kaveh]

The truth is that Jesus Christ doesn’t know Donald Trump’s name, and he will roast for eternity in blessed hellfire for betraying the Divine Republic

[Teddie1056]

https://i.imgur.com/Lz22gXE.jpg

[Tethler]

high school diplomas are for idiots

Baby steps. He has to start somewhere.

[Tethler]

LOL, someone who holds AOC, Adam Shit, Pelosi, Schumer, Mueller, McCabe, Page, StrokingIt, etc in high regard, is calling me out?

I take that as a badge of honor, frankly. Of course libturds hate hearing the truth. So bad so sad for you losers, good luck in the Senate trial and the 2020 election.

How do you know who I hold in high regard? I haven't posted here about any of those people.

Again, you reveal that you know absolutely nothing. Embarrasing.

[Valeriya]

LOL, someone who holds AOC, Adam Shit, Pelosi, Schumer, Mueller, McCabe, Page, StrokingIt, etc in high regard, is calling me out?

I take that as a badge of honor, frankly. Of course libturds hate hearing the truth. So bad so sad for you losers, good luck in the Senate trial and the 2020 election.

I like you Rader. The libturds bring great humor for all

[Valeriya]

I'm going to laugh so hard when Trump wins again. I honestly cant believe hes still alive to be honest. If he does win again which I strongly believe hes going to.... the left side is going to implode

[Zeboim]

Please refrain from public masturbation.

[Rader]

I like you Rader. The libturds bring great humor for all

Thumbs up Valeriya! Happy to hear from someone who is not a Russian shill spewing cr-p about conspiracy nonsense regarding Trump and who knows what

As for you libturds, go suck on it, I am so looking forward to drinking your tears of sorrow when Trump wins victory in the next election!

[Drakborn]

Imagine being an adult and actually using the term libturd...

[Domo]

some people have a boring life and use the internet to let their inner asshole out.

[Jimjam]

Imagine being an adult and actually using the term libturd...

Can the 'libturds' confirm if they have a counterpart word? 'Repoopies'? 'Cuntservies'?

[Tethler]

Can the 'libturds' confirm if they have a counterpart word? 'Repoopies'? 'Cuntservies'?

Libturds is such a 7-year-old phrase. He probably thinks it's super clever.

[BallzDeep]

Can the 'libturds' confirm if they have a counterpart word? 'Repoopies'? 'Cuntservies'?

Yeah, it's called racist or bigot. Look at how many times that term has been repeated with no actual reference to its definition.

One just slips in a moral clause of "I'm morally better than you." Yeah, I'd say using libturd is a problem versus incorrectly using the word racist.

[feniin]

Yeah, it's called racist or bigot. Look at how many times that term has been repeated with no actual reference to its definition.

One just slips in a moral clause of "I'm morally better than you." Yeah, I'd say using libturd is a problem versus incorrectly using the word racist.

Just because you don't like when people call you on your bullshit doesn't mean it's being used improperly.

[tinklepee]

I don't trust anyone who won't admit they're a racist bigot, especially if they're white.

[Wonkie]

I don't trust anyone who won't admit they're a racist bigot, especially if they're white.

Are you?

[tinklepee]

No, I'm Italian.

[Wonkie]

No, I'm Italian.

that's a good bit

[Teppler]

Showing this topic some love-

https://i.imgur.com/zpykYle.jpg

[feniin]

Is that a fight you wanna pick...? your dear leader is a known pedophile who has a propensity for touching women inappropriately.

[Rader]

Libturd is actually a nice term for stupid, deranged "progressives" who like to suck @#$% and are jealous of the conservatives for actually having a rebel president, unlike the 1,000,000,000 conformist F-g- running for the DNC nominee in 2020.

"Racist" on the other hand, is actually a compliment for those independent thinkers who refuse to kneel and bow to the politically correct contemporary climate and are the true rebels of 2019

[feniin]

Libturd is actually a nice term for stupid, deranged "progressives" who like to suck @#$% and are jealous of the conservatives for actually having a rebel president, unlike the 1,000,000,000 conformist F-g- running for the DNC nominee in 2020.

"Racist" on the other hand, is actually a compliment for those independent thinkers who refuse to kneel and bow to the politically correct contemporary climate and are the true rebels of 2019

Rebels? You realize the last bunch of "rebels" lost the war to the patriots, right? :rolleyes: but hey, treason's on the menu these days, right?

[Teppler]

Is that a fight you wanna pick...? your dear leader is a known pedophile who has a propensity for touching women inappropriately.

Hm...... Yes. lol bring it

https://i.imgur.com/qE6qmuX.jpg

[Wonkie]

"Racist" on the other hand, is actually a compliment for those independent thinkers who refuse to kneel and bow to the politically correct contemporary climate and are the true rebels of 2019

Blessed Rader going mask off

[Drakborn]

Libturd is actually a nice term for stupid, deranged "progressives" who like to suck @#$% and are jealous of the conservatives for actually having a rebel president, unlike the 1,000,000,000 conformist F-g- running for the DNC nominee in 2020.

"Racist" on the other hand, is actually a compliment for those independent thinkers who refuse to kneel and bow to the politically correct contemporary climate and are the true rebels of 2019

We get it man! You're fuckin edgy and cool, yeah! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF7ouCjSPB4&t=0m54s)

[BadOrangeMan]

When a leftist calls someone a racist during a political argument these days, it is a tacit admission of their own defeat. They have no more arguments, so they resort to calling the other side racist in an attempt to derail the discussion by forcing them to try to prove that they are not so. It is especially effective during public debates because there are always people who are programmed to cheer when they hear someone labeled as a racist, sexist, homophobe etc. Even if the person in question was actually a real live racist based on the original definition of the word, there are very few circumstances in which calling them a racist during a political argument is in any way pertinent to the discussion at hand.

[Nirgon]

Yuma Border Patrol Chief announces completion of 22-mile border wall in Arizona. Took 7 months to build, not bad!

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/9K71F8H.png

[Zeboim]

We get it dude, we don't like Biden either.

[Drakborn]

We get it dude, we don't like Biden either.

[Teppler]

He’s your front runner. Why don’t we ever hear you screeching about him?

[Domo]

It is a pity that you never use the same criticism standards on your dear leader.

I think thats the reason why so many people think that Trump supporters are Trump cultist

[Teppler]

It is a pity that you never use the same criticism standards on your dear leader.

I think thats the reason why so many people think that Trump supporters are Trump cultist

It's not the same thing both sides. You still have a lot of cleaning up to do on your side. The amount of high crimes your people have done to the American people.... We're generally happy with Trump who largely fights against them too. You should be supporting Trump if you don't like Biden honestly.

[Jimjam]

Trump is just a common person exhibiting common people behaviour...

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/GANv4D6.jpg

I have no shortage of these. Yeah you guys have cleaning up to do. This is your front runner of your commitee that largely won't criticize each other.

And I can't figure out if he's a serious candidate or he's running for some candidate immunity for the crimes he's clearly committed.

[Domo]

I support Trump...I mean as long Trump is in power any asshole in my country looks like a saint.

I pretty much dislike Merkel, but whenever I see Trump shit a new tweet I am thankfull for having Merkel as my chancellor.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

E.g. him being caught on mic saying "It was funny when i called him 2 faced"

Jokes are generally not funny when you have to point it out.

All the politicians at that meeting are not funny to be clear.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I support Trump...I mean as long Trump is in power any asshole in my country looks like a saint.

I pretty much dislike Merkel, but whenever I see Trump shit a new tweet I am thankfull for having Merkel as my chancellor.

Yeah we all feel that way in Europe :D Even Boris Johnson looks smart compared to Mr Trump (and lets face it being smart when your a world leader helps)

[Wonkie]

Trump is just a common person exhibiting common people behaviour...

I don't get why Teppler thinks that's such a sterling rebuttal.

Are you less robbed if the robber is poor? Are lies suddenly true? :confused:

[Teppler]

Your DNC front runner that I NEVER see criticism about from the left. Some system of morals you guys got there.

https://i.imgur.com/MjUjZ5i.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qocnprI.jpg

Look into and punish the guy thats blackmailed nations to fire prosecutors so his druggy son could help him scam both the ukraine and US. Nope lets go after the guy that's looking into this instead. Again.... some system of morals you guys got there.

[Kaveh]

He’s your front runner. Why don’t we ever hear you screeching about him?

Biden is a weird old guy but not a traitor

hope this helps

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Dunno him and trump seem pretty similar to me <shrug> both seem of questionable morals and lacking in their control around...well anything of the opposite sex.

Seems they both need locking up.

[Teppler]

Biden is a weird old guy but not a traitor

hope this helps

https://i.imgur.com/MjUjZ5i.jpg

Of course he's a traitor. This is just one example. He used raised funds from the US public to personally get his son a job. He played around with funds of the US to do a bunch of shady shit either at the behest of the DNC or just personally for his druggy son. Either way, these are high treason crimes against the American people who raised those funds.

Those tax payer funds are not for your personal use. To use them personally is 100% treasonous.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

https://i.imgur.com/MjUjZ5i.jpg

Of course he's a traitor. This is just one example. He used raised funds from the US public to personally get his son a job. He played around with funds of the US to do a bunch of shady shit either at the behest of the DNC or just personally for his druggy son. Either way, these are high treason crimes against the American people who raised those funds.

Those tax payer funds are not for your personal use. To use them personally is 100% treasonous.

If you read that quote to people in the street im sure a lot would think you mean Trump :D Its uncanny :D

[Teppler]

Dunno him and trump seem pretty similar to me <shrug> both seem of questionable morals and lacking in their control around...well anything of the opposite sex.

Seems they both need locking up.

Sorry but Trump is our duly elected president. And he looks set up to be voted in by the people again as much as you want to stop a democratic result from happening. Throwing him in prison for these imagined crimes would amount to a treasonous coup. There's as much evidence against Trump as there is against you on the case of rape or molestation.

[Teppler]

If you read that quote to people in the street im sure a lot would think you mean Trump :D Its uncanny :D

That's the MSN CNN machine at work and it shows how strong they are at indoctrinating people.

For example, I challenge you to show me a quote by Trump that is similar to this. You will not find this quote because it doesn't exist. But CNN/MSN have people believing differently.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

"I" want to stop him. Black helicopters much.

You seem to misunderstand how little i care about who rules your country. I may detest him as a person, but lets not be under any illusion. I could not care less if he gets reelected (thats 100% your problem).

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

That's the MSN CNN machine at work and it shows how strong they are at indoctrinating people.

For example, I challenge you to show me a quote by Trump that is similar to this. You will not find this quote because it doesn't exist. But CNN/MSN have people believing differently.

A huh, darn your media that i dont watch indoctrinating me. Sneaky bunch.

[Teppler]

A huh, darn your media that i dont watch indoctrinating me. Sneaky bunch.

Ever hear the term globalism? Western liberal governments work for the same team, funded by the same global bankers keeping the narratives in line.

[Teppler]

Your country is even worse with it all because you have no freedom of speech in the UK. If you say the wrong thing, you get a knock on your door from your police.

I've seen your media and news. It's horrendous. And obsessed with US politics. In comparison, nobody cares about what is happening in the UK.

[tinklepee]

The best world leaders, in no particular order: Putin, Assad, Salvini, Bernie, Orbán, Jinping, Erdoğan

[Wonkie]

Ever hear the term globalism? Western liberal governments work for the same team, funded by the same global bankers keeping the narratives in line.

Globalism is the triumph of Liberal Democracy over Communism

[Teppler]

Globalism is the triumph of Liberal Democracy over Communism

Globalism is big money banks subverting nations to their own ends. Nice fantasy. Don't be delusional Wonkie. Give me one good logical reason from their ends why these global elites should serve you. Let's think about this logically.

[Wonkie]

Globalism is big money banks subverting nations to their own ends. Nice fantasy. Don't be delusional Wonkie. Give me one good logical reason from their ends why these global elites should serve you. Let's think about this logically.


https://i.imgur.com/n3RGs0O.gif

[Ripp]

Globalism is the triumph of Liberal Democracy over Communism

That's ridiculous. Liberalism leads to Socialism which leads to Communism.

Just ask your buddy AOC.

[Teppler]

https://i.imgur.com/n3RGs0O.gif

Of course not. There is no logic to your position. You rely on this idea that the richest people in the world and just going to give you rights and a nice salary once you help them entrench their globalist interests. I ask the simple question, why would they do that?

[Domo]

https://i.imgur.com/TX0olvD.jpg

[Wonkie]

Of course not. There is no logic to your position. You rely on this idea that the richest people in the world and just going to give you rights and a nice salary once you help them entrench their globalist interests. I ask the simple question, why would they do that?

Wouldn't you agree that Liberalism is the end of the world?

https://i.imgur.com/cVKyql4.gif

[Teppler]

Wouldn't you agree that Liberalism is the end of the world?

https://i.imgur.com/cVKyql4.gif

No I love my country and I want the best for it.

[feniin]

No I love my country and I want the best for it.

I'm thankful that you're not allowed to hold public office. We need a De-Trumpification of this country just like Germany went through after WW2.

[Wonkie]

No I love my country and I want the best for it.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, Teppler.

[Teppler]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, Teppler.

So is heaven.

You know what's a clearer way to hell?

"Wouldn't you agree that Liberalism is the end of the world?"

Engaging liberalism to bring the end of the world.

[Wonkie]

So is heaven.

You know what's a clearer way to hell?

"Wouldn't you agree that Liberalism is the end of the world?"

Engaging liberalism to bring the end of the world.

It's this or communism, guy.

[Ripqozko]

It's a good day for chick fil a.
God bless

[tinklepee]

The Chinese are developing bioweapons to target entire populations for elimination. Americans only hope is to become "LGBTQ+" bug chasers in order to prime their immune systems for the future onslaught of biowarfare.

[Teppler]

It's this or communism, guy.

Or we can just run the state like a solid organization. Good trade deals that make sense and not the rip offs for the sake of globalism we've been plagued by the last decade. Policies that encourage mental and physical health aka the family unit. The ability to run business uninterrupted by bureaucrats. A healthy community and society on the same page. Basically all the positions that are the anti thesis of 2019 liberalism.

[Wonkie]

Or we can just run the state like a solid organization. Good trade deals that make sense and not the rip offs for the sake of globalism we've been plagued by the last decade. Policies that encourage mental and physical health aka the family unit. The ability to run business uninterrupted by bureaucrats. A healthy community and society on the same page. Basically all the positions that are the anti thesis of 2019 liberalism.

Can you think of a situation where paypigging is good for the good of our country?

[Teppler]

Can you think of a situation where paypigging is good for the good of our country?

It's time to go to the base philosophy of what America is. We don't exist to empower other entities as their paypigs. We are a sovereign independent nation based on individual freedoms. The existence of globalist elites that we need to pay tribute to goes against the very founding of this nation.

[Wonkie]

It's time to go to the base philosophy of what America is. We don't exist to empower other entities as their paypigs. We are a sovereign independent nation based on individual freedoms. The existence of globalist elites that we need to pay tribute to goes against the very founding of this nation.

That wasn't the question.

Is paypigging ever useful for national security and economic prosperity?

[Teppler]

It's a low IQ question. The answer is no.

[Wonkie]

It's a low IQ question. The answer is no.

Oh honey

[feniin]

It's time to go to the base philosophy of what America is. We don't exist to empower other entities as their paypigs. We are a sovereign independent nation based on individual freedoms. The existence of globalist elites that we need to pay tribute to goes against the very founding of this nation.

(((globalist))) :o

[Jimjam]

Whats paypigging?

[Teppler]

Whats paypigging?

You know how there are all these e-thots nowadays that stream and have people donate? A paypig is dedicated viewer of an ethot that donates regularly. They get little to no verbal contact let alone physical contact yet they regularly spend money.

It's kind of like the US's relationship with Israel. We send billions over every years but what kind of pay off to we get? What do we get back?

[feniin]

You know how there are all these e-thots nowadays that stream and have people donate? A paypig is dedicated viewer of an ethot that donates regularly. They get little to no verbal contact let alone physical contact yet they regularly spend money.

It's kind of like the US's relationship with Israel. We send billions over every years but what kind of pay off to we get? What do we get back?

lol e-thot... That's some incel vocab. Yikes.

[Ligma]

E-scort is atleast a funny play on words.

I thought it was anti-semitic to criticize isreal and deserving of hanging. Or is that just if you're a Muslim senator? Or just another example of words not mattering to Republicans and only used because they know it matters to their opponents

[Wonkie]

e-scort

learning lots of new vulgaritys lately thanks all

[feniin]

E-scort is atleast a funny play on words.

I thought it was anti-semitic to criticize isreal and deserving of hanging. Or is that just if you're a Muslim senator? Or just another example of words not mattering to Republicans and only used because they know it matters to their opponents

Look - if you have an "R" next to your name you can do anything you want. If you have a "D" you need to mind your Ps and Qs because (((reasons)))

[Teppler]

Look - if you have an "R" next to your name you can do anything you want. If you have a "D" you need to mind your Ps and Qs because (((reasons)))

Delusional. Are you aware of how much destructive rioting the left has done in the past couple years? Assaulted people? Voter fraud? Murder of people like Seth Rich. Covering for illegal immigrants. Sponsoring sanctuary cities for people to break the law freely. No consequences and the media covers for them.

The party of projection.

[Drakborn]

Delusional

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgzdb0txR_c&t=4m40s

[feniin]

Delusional. Are you aware of how much destructive rioting the left has done in the past couple years? Assaulted people? Voter fraud? Murder of people like Seth Rich. Covering for illegal immigrants. Sponsoring sanctuary cities for people to break the law freely. No consequences and the media covers for them.

The party of projection.

Sounds like you really, really love alt-right conspiracy theories.

[Wonkie]

Joe Biden didn't do anything wrong (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/joe-biden-challenges-iowa-voter-to-a-push-up-contest-and-may-have-called-him-fat-2019-12-05)

[Teppler]

Nice arguments guys.

This is why liberals can only survive when they have the elites in their side. If it comes down to explaining their points and arguing rationally they just can’t do it. You’ll notice every single time they abandon to insulting and attacking people. Just like now.

[feniin]

Nice arguments guys.

This is why liberals can only survive when they have the elites in their side. If it comes down to explaining their points and arguing rationally they just can’t do it. You’ll notice every single time they abandon to insulting and attacking people. Just like now.

:rolleyes: Poor little victims.

Any time anyone asks you a pointed question you change the subject or say "what about ______?" instead of just answering the question. There's literally zero reason to engage you in any sort of polite discourse because you're incapable of rational conversation. It's all conspiracy theories and boogeymen.

[Drakborn]

Nice arguments guys.

This is why liberals can only survive when they have the elites in their side. If it comes down to explaining their points and arguing rationally they just can’t do it. You’ll notice every single time they abandon to insulting and attacking people. Just like now.

Arguing with a conspiracy theorist... wrestling a pig in mud... blah blah blah

[Ligma]

Alex Jones? Is that you?

[suptoofs]

:rolleyes: Poor little victims.

Any time anyone asks you a pointed question you change the subject or say "what about ______?" instead of just answering the question. There's literally zero reason to engage you in any sort of polite discourse because you're incapable of rational conversation. It's all conspiracy theories and boogeymen.

100%. The guy has heavy metal poisoning from all that tinfoil on his head.

[feniin]

Watch out guys, he'll phone the authorities to get his safe space back. RIP Horza :(

[Teppler]

Yeah those guys aren’t aware mods here ban when you start drifting into personal attack. I haven’t talked to llandris and galach about this yet but I will if you guys keep it up. Sorry but this isn’t your safe space to hurl insults at people. If you don’t have an argument just stay silent. Resorting to personal attack not only makes you look bad, is disrespectful to the staff if nothing else.

Me? I won’t go down to your usual level of discourse so insult aaway while you still can.

[feniin]

Yeah those guys aren’t aware mods here ban when you start drifting into personal attack. I haven’t talked to llandris and galach about this yet but I will if you guys keep it up. Sorry but this isn’t your safe space to hurl insults at people. If you don’t have an argument just stay silent. Resorting to personal attack not only makes you look bad, is disrespectful to the staff if nothing else.

Me? I won’t go down to your usual level of discourse so insult aaway while you still can.

Hold yourself and your cultist buddies to the same standard. The party of law and order, amirite?

[Drakborn]

Yeah those guys aren’t aware mods here ban when you start drifting into personal attack. I haven’t talked to llandris and galach about this yet but I will if you guys keep it up. Sorry but this isn’t your safe space to hurl insults at people. If you don’t have an argument just stay silent. Resorting to personal attack not only makes you look bad, is disrespectful to the staff if nothing else.

Me? I won’t go down to your usual level of discourse so insult aaway while you still can.

Delusional.

[Teppler]

Hold yourself and your cultist buddies to the same standard. The party of law and order, amirite?

Cool let’s start with some big main issues like the existence of liberal sanctuary cities.

[feniin]

Cool let’s start with some big main issues like the existence of liberal sanctuary cities.

Those don't actually exist in the way that you think they do.

[Wonkie]

Cool let’s start with some big main issues like the existence of liberal sanctuary cities.

you don't like states rights?

also that's not a big issue at all

[suptoofs]

Your facts aren't welcome here.

F, I was trying to quote Drakborn's quote. I failed </3

[Teppler]

See a difference is that when I call someone delusional it’s part of a long argument that is supported by points. If you read a couple of the last posts by you guys, you completely abandon the idea of having an argument to attack and insult. That is what is ban worthy. Mods actually give a nice leash. The liberals in these threads just take it way too far which is really disrespectful to the mods.

Try arguing in good faith or scram.

[Wonkie]

See a difference is that when I call someone delusional it’s part of a long argument that is supported by points. If you read a couple of the last posts by you guys, you completely abandon the idea of having an argument to attack and insult. That is what is ban worthy. Mods actually give a nice leash. The liberals in these threads just take it way too far which is really disrespectful to the mods.

Try arguing in good faith or scram.

I don't think your arguments are good or logic or whatever praise you want to lavish on yourself.

DAE?

[Teppler]

you don't like states rights?

also that's not a big issue at all

I like states rights. I also like federal laws. States aren’t their own countries. They answer to the federal government and are granted rights. One of those rights isn’t to run your own country with foreign citizens within the US.

[Teppler]

I don't think your arguments are good or logic or whatever praise you want to lavish on yourself.

DAE?

No one has a gun to your head to reply. You can put me on ignore if you want your safe space.

[tinklepee]

I stan Teppler

[feniin]

Studies on the relationship between sanctuary status and crime have found that sanctuary policies either have no effect on crime or that sanctuary cities have lower crime rates and stronger economies than comparable non-sanctuary cities

[feniin]

I like states rights. I also like federal laws. States aren’t their own countries. They answer to the federal government and are granted rights. One of those rights isn’t to run your own country with foreign citizens within the US.

The Federal government answers to the people. Hope that helps.

[Wonkie]

I like states rights. I also like federal laws. States aren’t their own countries. They answer to the federal government and are granted rights. One of those rights isn’t to run your own country with foreign citizens within the US.

You can't like federal supremacy and states rights simultaneously. It's a dichotomy.

This is a good example of why you are a silly man.

[Teppler]

Study brought to you by George Soros Open Society foundation.

[feniin]

https://i.imgur.com/05Ww7Pi.png

[Teppler]

You can't like federal supremacy and states rights simultaneously. It's a dichotomy.

This is a good example of why you are a silly man.

Christ Wonkie. That’s a really dumb thing to say. That’s like saying you can’t like peanut butter if you like jelly.

States rights and federal rights work together to create a system where we have overall cohesion with a federal rule set then we grant certain freedoms for states to decide on their own. They don’t get total free reign, they get flexibility when it comes to certain things. Free reign would basically be states being their own countries. I’ve never met anyone that actually advocates that because it makes no sense. You really gotta take a class on government structure before you continue here.

[Wonkie]

Christ Wonkie. That’s a really dumb thing to say. That’s like saying you can’t like peanut butter if you like jelly.

States rights and federal rights work together to create a system where we have overall cohesion with a federal rule set then we grant certain freedoms for states to decide on their own. They don’t get total free reign, they get flexibility when it comes to certain things. Free reign would basically be states being their own countries. I’ve never met anyone that actually advocates that because it makes no sense. You really gotta take a class on government structure before you continue here.

The argument is states rights vs federal supremacy.

Not states rights vs federal rights.

Silly goose.

[feniin]

Study brought to you by George Soros Open Society foundation.

Facts and reality have a well known liberal bias.

[Teppler]

The Federal government answers to the people. Hope that helps.

Okay. Go up to the federal government or federal government people and tell them you want 10 million dollars right now. They have it. And you say “the federal government answers to the people”. Let’s see if your claim is true.

[Teppler]

The argument is states rights vs federal supremacy.

Not states rights vs federal rights.

Silly goose.

No. You asked me “do you like states rights”. Somewhere you started to conflate the idea that if states aren’t able to break federal law by hosting large populations of illegal immigrants and willfully not prosecuting them then there is federal supremacy.

[Wonkie]

No. You asked me “do you like states rights”. Somewhere you started to conflate the idea that if states aren’t able to break federal law by hosting large populations of illegal immigrants and willfully not prosecuting them then there is federal supremacy.

That's called "understanding the Constitutional argument settled by the Civil War". Silly boy.

[feniin]

No. You asked me “do you like states rights”. Somewhere you started to conflate the idea that if states aren’t able to break federal law by hosting large populations of illegal immigrants and willfully not prosecuting them then there is federal supremacy.

It's not a local police force's job or responsibility to detain or deport an undocumented immigrant.

[Teppler]

It's not a local police force's job or responsibility to detain or deport an undocumented immigrant.

Right. It’s the state government leaders responsibility to make sure federal laws are followed and the appropriate actions are taken to achieve a law and order society with citizens and not society of people breaking the law via illegal immigration.

[feniin]

Right. It’s the state government leaders responsibility to make sure federal laws are followed and the appropriate actions are taken to achieve a law and order society with citizens and not society of people breaking the law via illegal immigration.

Negative. That's not a state's responsibility.

[Teppler]

Negative. That's not a state's responsibility.

Okay let’s see what your understanding is then. At what point do you believe the federal government can come in and take action vs a state government that is ignoring federal law?

[feniin]

Okay let’s see what your understanding is then. At what point do you believe the federal government can come in and take action vs a state government that is ignoring federal law?
We have federal police officers (US Marshals, FBI) and immigration control agencies (DHS/ICE). I don't think there's any reason a state should be required to aid or assist them if they don't want to.

[Teppler]

We have federal police officers (US Marshals, FBI) and immigration control agencies (DHS/ICE). I don't think there's any reason a state should be required to aid or assist them if they don't want to.

The result being defunding and the federal government stepping in themselves to do the deporting.

Any way you cut it it’s the states responsibility to have a law and order state. If they don’t fulfill their responsibility then it’s either up to the federal government to prosecute them if it applies or take care of the case themselves and provide repercussions for the people that are not doing their patriotic duty to help the federal government.

[feniin]

The result being defunding and the federal government stepping in themselves to do the deporting.

Blackmailing the states because they won't bend to your will? That's not how any of this works. That's why Trump is in the mess he's currently in.


Would you withhold FEMA money to a state hit by a national disaster because the governor won't denounce Trump's political opponent?

[Wonkie]

The result being defunding and the federal government stepping in themselves to do the deporting.

Any way you cut it it’s the states responsibility to have a law and order state. If they don’t fulfill their responsibility then it’s either up to the federal government to prosecute them if it applies or take care of the case themselves and provide repercussions for the people that are not doing their patriotic duty to help the federal government.

Not quite defunding, but favoring collaborator cities in policing grant award criteria.

Definitely not prosecution, silly boy.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/article/Ninth-Circuit-Court-says-it-s-OK-for-feds-to-14092570.php

[Teppler]

Blackmailing the states because they won't bend to your will? That's not how any of this works. That's why Trump is in the mess he's currently in.


Would you withhold FEMA money to a state hit by a national disaster because the governor won't denounce Trump's political opponent?

It’s not blackmail. It’s simply not a wise allocation of resources to fund cities intent on hoarding and spending the resources on non US citizens, illegal immigrants.

[feniin]

It’s not blackmail. It’s simply not a wise allocation of resources to fund cities intent on hoarding and spending the resources on non US citizens, illegal immigrants.

That's not how the federal budget works.

[Wonkie]

it is not our responsibility to give ukraine anything, let alone 500 million dollars for anti tank crap

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

[feniin]

it is not our responsibility to give ukraine anything, let alone 500 million dollars for anti tank crap

Do you understand how foreign aid works and why it exists?

[Teppler]

it is not our responsibility to give ukraine anything, let alone 500 million dollars for anti tank crap

Ukraine is Sorosville. It’s a way they siphon money from American tax payers to the elites.

[feniin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

Would guess he's one of the proud boys that doesn't like NATO or The UN.

[Teppler]

Do you understand how foreign aid works and why it exists?

Apparently so druggy Hunter Biden can get a cushy 7 figure job with no expertise whatsoever.

[feniin]

Apparently so druggy Hunter Biden can get a cushy 7 figure job with no expertise whatsoever.

Oh, clever. You're a regular fountain of Russian propaganda. Got any more?

[Wonkie]

Would guess he's one of the proud boys that doesn't like NATO or The UN.

I'm starting to think Teppler batphoned us recently. So many new "classical Liberals".

[feniin]

Ukraine is Sorosville. It’s a way they siphon money from American tax payers to the elites.

Hooooly shit. :eek:

[feniin]

I'm starting to think Teppler batphoned us recently. So many new "classical Liberals".

:p Someone shout train to zone. There's an army of trolls chasing us

[Kaveh]

Ukraine is Sorosville. It’s a way they siphon money from American tax payers to the elites.

$500 million per annum to destroy Putin’s popularity is cheap. You guys are commies and atheists. Seek Christ

[Kaveh]

If the Jews financed a new crusade, would it be unjust? Asking teppler and the other pseudo aryans

[Kaveh]

We have federal police officers (US Marshals, FBI) and immigration control agencies (DHS/ICE). I don't think there's any reason a state should be required to aid or assist them if they don't want to.

The federal government reigns supreme. This dates back to Roman times. The limes cannot be violated

[tsuchang]

Tulsi Gabbard, what a remarkable lady.
Out of all the Democrat candidates, she is the one I hope looses the bid to become the one to run against President Trump. She might win.
I don't know her position on very many issues so I don't know if I would vote for her or not, but she has the looks, voice and demeanor to pull it off. She doesn't cackle when she laughs, she doesn't get snippy, she stays cool and on topic when challenged. What a Lady. I put the capitol L there cuz she presents herself as a Lady like Mrs. Trump does.
Please don't throw mud at her in your comments, please be respectful of her classiness.

[BadOrangeMan]

Oh, clever. You're a regular fountain of Russian propaganda. Got any more?

"That's Russian propaganda!" = "I have no argument!"

[feniin]

"That's Russian propaganda!" = "I have no argument!"

Or is pushing Ukraine as the enemy the narrative that Russia has bought from your cult leaders?

[feniin]

Literally zero democrats support her. How's Moscow this winter?

[BadOrangeMan]

Or is pushing Ukraine as the enemy the narrative that Russia has bought from your cult leaders?

Any evidence for this claim?

[feniin]

Any evidence for this claim?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/politics/ukraine-russia-interference.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/us/politics/impeachment-hearing.html
https://www.vox.com/2019/11/25/20981661/john-kennedy-roger-wicker-ukrainian-interference-russia
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/16/us/elections/russian-interference-statements-comments.html
The federal and congressional intelligence and national security groups that have stated that Russia interfered in the election:

1. Central Intelligence Agency

2. Office of the Director of National Intelligence

3. F.B.I.

4. National Security Agency

5. Justice Department

6. Department of Homeland Security

7. House Intelligence Committee

8. Senate Intelligence CommitteeOf course, the United States intelligence community — including the CIA that Pompeo ran before Trump nominated him to be secretary of state — unanimously determined that Russia was behind the DNC hack, not Ukraine.

And just days ago, national security expert Fiona Hill testified last week, in the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump, that Republicans who push this debunked Ukrainian conspiracy theory are playing into Russia's hands.

Other Republicans have been pushing this same conspiracy theory to try to defend Trump from the impeachment inquiry that imperils his presidency.

[BadOrangeMan]

None of that is evidence of what you said.

[feniin]

None of that is evidence of what you said.

That Russia has bought the GOP and is now pushing that Ukraine is the enemy? Do you want to give me access to the Mueller report? I'm not a federal investigator. It's not like it would matter anyway - Trump is infallible, right?

[BadOrangeMan]

Do you really think a country with a GDP smaller than Texas has the means or even the desire to buy entire political parties in the US be it with money or favors?

[feniin]

Do you really think a country with a GDP smaller than Texas has the means or even the desire to buy entire political parties in the US be it with money or favors?

The country? No. The dictatorship? Yes. Putin is one of the wealthiest people on the planet. He's surrounded himself with other oligarchs. I feel like you're just being dense. :rolleyes:

[BallzDeep]

The country? No. The dictatorship? Yes. Putin is one of the wealthiest people on the planet. He's surrounded himself with other oligarchs. I feel like you're just being dense. :rolleyes:

Lol I think being dense. Do you believe every absurd story you read? You have a very simple way of reading and don't actually pay attention to how they come to those numbers.

""Everything that belongs to the territory of the Russian Federation Putin considers to be his"

Meaning, this isn't truly Putin's net worth, he just thinks Putin rules with an iron fist and anything attributed to the Russian Federation falls under Putin's net worth (it doesn't).

Putin has published his homes and his annual salary:

Vladimir Putin’s latest financial disclosure has been posted on the Kremlin website, showing the Russian president earned roughly $135,000 in 2018 from his official salary, a military pension, interest on savings, and investment gains.

Putin reports owning an 830 square-foot apartment in Saint Petersburg, along with a 193 square-foot garage, as well as use of a 1,600 square-foot flat in Moscow. He claims to have two vintage Volga GAZ M21 sedans (in the $14,000–$16,000 range on eBay) as well as a Lada Niva SUV (which starts at about $6,800, new) and a retro-fabulous Skif tent trailer, which goes for about $900.

The only caveat would be gifts from other nations, leader, etc. There is 0 credibility to him being one of the richest men in the world.

[BallzDeep]

Oh, we wouldn't want to be unfair to Putin. Thanks a lot!

Well it depends, are we talking fair or we just being intellectually honest? Is Putin one of the richest men in the world? No, let's not give him too much credit here. Is Putin and the Russian Federation net worth combined? Not so fast.....

[Wonkie]

Well it depends, are we talking fair or we just being intellectually honest? Is Putin one of the richest men in the world? No, let's not give him too much credit here. Is Putin and the Russian Federation net worth combined? Not so fast.....

It wouldn't be intellectually honest to impugn the reputation of an enemy of the USA?

gawrsh! who cares

[BallzDeep]

It wouldn't be intellectually honest to destroy the reputation of an enemy of the USA?

gawrsh! who cares

Not by going down some road that there is some deep conspiracy against our own government and that Putin is secretly the richest man in the world and the puppet master.

[BallzDeep]

what does his dick taste like, traitor

Are you gay bashing or something? I take offense, hope you enjoy the ban.

[Rader]

So we are discussing how Michelle Obama's schlong tastes?

It isn't really that big, not sure why it is such a big deal for the libtards on this board

[Wonkie]

So we are discussing how Michelle Obama's schlong tastes?

It isn't really that big, not sure why it is such a big deal for the libtards on this board

it's not gay to suck dick. women do it all the time.

[BallzDeep]

are you saying putin is gay

No I'm saying your first joke is a random gay joke about sucking dick and that's bigoted. Now that you are a bigot, you might as well become a republican too.

[BadOrangeMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Obama is compromised too. WHO CAN WE TRUST!?

ROMNEY 2020! Only HE can save us from the all-powerful Russian juggernaut!

[Wonkie]

No I'm saying your first joke is a random gay joke about sucking dick and that's bigoted. Now that you are a bigot, you might as well become a republican too.

what's bigoted about it?

[Wonkie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Obama is compromised too. WHO CAN WE TRUST!?

ROMNEY 2020! Only HE can save us from the all-powerful Russian juggernaut!

Obama isn't wrong. As a certain snowflake pointed out, Russia's GDP is lower than Texas'. Without the nukes they're nothing.

Still fun tho

[BallzDeep]

what's bigoted about it?

The fact that someone can't cite someone's actual annual salary without being called a "dick sucker." So about that Republican thing?

[BallzDeep]

And obviously I am joking about being offended and you are trolling but I know you just can't help yourself. Although I would say your gay bashing fits in line with some of the calls for racism :D

[Teppler]

She seems like the only real candidate on that side of the isle.

At one time I considered myself a moderate that could vote either way. Sadly the democrats moved away from the common sense approach Tulsi gives and instead they are in bed with corrupt elites. It makes it so I’ll never support themselves. Oh well. If tulsi ever went 3rd party, I’d give her serious consideration.

[feniin]

She seems like the only real candidate on that side of the isle.

At one time I considered myself a moderate that could vote either way. Sadly the democrats moved away from the common sense approach Tulsi gives and instead they are in bed with corrupt elites. It makes it so I’ll never support themselves. Oh well. If tulsi ever went 3rd party, I’d give her serious consideration.

There's no such thing as moderates. They're just Republicans that are too embarrassed to admit it.

[Teppler]

Nope I was disenfranchised when they ran McCain followed by Romney. I was done until Trump came along and revitalized my interest in republicans. A strong honest candidate could of pulled me to the left. Instead we got Obama’s bullshit 2nd term that lost me.

[Kaveh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Obama is compromised too. WHO CAN WE TRUST!?

ROMNEY 2020! Only HE can save us from the all-powerful Russian juggernaut!

Does it bother you that trump isn’t going to heaven?

[BadOrangeMan]

Does it bother you that trump isn’t going to heaven?

You are terrible at trolling. Try harder please.

[Kaveh]

Russia isn’t powerful. They just counter our global agenda and interferes in our elections. They are our enemy, we destroy our enemies

Hope this helps

[BadOrangeMan]

Who else do they have besides Tulsi and maybe Buttigieg that even has a small chance of not getting completely obliterated?

[Teppler]

Russia isn’t powerful. They just counter our global agenda and interferes in our elections. They are our enemy, we destroy our enemies

Hope this helps

Yet there's so much more evidence of the foreign nation of Israel interfering in our election including tons of dual American-Israeli citizen politicians. How is there not a risk of loyalties being divided between nations? Where's the uproar about the foreign nation of Israel influencing our politics from the left?

[Wonkie]

Yet there's so much more evidence of the foreign nation of Israel interfering in our election including tons of dual American-Israeli citizen politicians. How is there not a risk of loyalties being divided between nations? Where's the uproar about the foreign nation of Israel influencing our politics from the left?

Israel helped us do containment in the ME against Soviet aligned Arab states.

America does not forget her allies or her enemies :)

[Wonkie]

gaslighting thread

[Teppler]

Israel helped us do containment in the ME against Soviet aligned Arab states.

America does not forget her allies or her enemies :)

USS Liberty, 9/11, Dancing Israelis, dual citizen politicians, 10 billion a year, etc.....

inb4 conspiracy

https://12bytes.org/articles/exposed/fbi-releases-pix-from-camera-of-dancing-israelis

"Prior to their arrest the five Israelis were observed by several witnesses photographing and celebrating the destruction of the twin towers, first from atop their vehicle in a parking lot at Doric Towers in Union City, New Jersey, and later from the roof of a warehouse owned by Urban Moving Systems in Weehawken, New Jersey, the company for which the men worked. Oded Ellner would later state during a national T.V. interview in Israel that their purpose was "to document the event". According to a statement by Oded Ellner and a witnesses mentioned in the documents released by the FBI, the men were in a position to observe the attack at approximately 8 AM, roughly 45 minutes before American Airlines Flight 11 struck the north tower, which prompts the question of how the Israelis knew there would be an event to document. Other witness stated they saw the men in a position to observe the attack within minutes of the first plane strike."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyUoGUV7b8

[Teppler]

That's a well done article. This part was fascinating too-

"There were several Urban Moving Systems vehicles detained by police in the days before, during and after the 11 September attack, as well as many other vehicles belonging to other moving companies which were also occupied by Israeli nationals. Several of the Israelis traveled to airports using company vehicles and were unable to provide logical explanations for why they did so. One Israeli national with an invalid drivers license was arrested at the Mercer County Airport on 30 October 2001. It was found he had also driven to the FFA center in Pomona, New Jersey. The man was unable to provide reasonable explanations for being at either location. According to a Fox News report in December, 2001, approximately 200 Israelis were arrested for spying on various groups and government officials before and after the attacks."

"24 December 2001

Fox News Series on Israeli Spying on US Telecommunications

Fox News, beginning mid-December, reported a four-part series on alleged Israeli spying on the US telecommunication systems through firms which provide telephone billing and assist FBI wiretaps. Recently the series was withdrawn by Fox News without explanation. The series has been recovered from private archives for publication here.

When the series first appeared it seemed to be another case of Israel bashing, in particular the parts that rehashed years-old allegations (we've linked to a 1996 GAO report cited by Fox, and other alleged participants' Web sites). And the series may well be calculated disinformation, if not by Fox then by its sources.

However, Fox's unexplained yanking the series is worth noting. Except for a few comments on the Net, there has been no mainline media follow-up on the reason for the yank. If Fox found that the reports are in error, that is the sort of thing that usually brings heat from competitors. If the withdrawal was due to government intervention that would indeed be news, but hardly unprecedented these days. If the yank was due to private intervention that too would be worth learning about -- who, when, why.

Here are comments on the series by Ronald Rivest, a premier US cryptographer and security scientist:

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:41:33 -0500
To: cryptography@wasabisystems.com
From: "Ronald L. Rivest" <rivest@mit.edu>
Subject: Israeli compromise of U.S. telecommunications?
I found the following four-part report by Carl Cameron rather shocking:

Part 1: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html

Part 2: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40747,00.html

Part 3: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40824,00.html

Part 4: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40981,00.html

Why should we be freely giving to Israeli corporations information (call records, CALEA information) that requires court orders to obtain in this country? Such information is obviously sensitive, and the well-motivated efforts to strengthen and protect our national infrastructure should reasonably include mandating that such information not be routinely handled by any foreign entities...

A more recent story indicates that the compromise was probably severe; criminals were escaping detection because of the compromise:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/18/224826.shtml
This vindicates concerns many of us have expressed over the years about creating single points of failure in wiretapping systems (e.g. the vulnerability of key escrow, etc.). Of course, in this case the vulnerability was intentionally created, it seems, by giving critical capabilities to foreign entities...

Ronald L. Rivest
Room 324, 200 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139
Tel 617-253-5880, Fax 617-258-9738, Email <rivest@mit.edu>

Note: Links within reports added by Cryptome."

[Wonkie]

USS Liberty, 9/11, Dancing Israelis, dual citizen politicians, 10 billion a year, etc.....

inb4 conspiracy

https://12bytes.org/articles/exposed/fbi-releases-pix-from-camera-of-dancing-israelis

"Prior to their arrest the five Israelis were observed by several witnesses photographing and celebrating the destruction of the twin towers, first from atop their vehicle in a parking lot at Doric Towers in Union City, New Jersey, and later from the roof of a warehouse owned by Urban Moving Systems in Weehawken, New Jersey, the company for which the men worked. Oded Ellner would later state during a national T.V. interview in Israel that their purpose was "to document the event". According to a statement by Oded Ellner and a witnesses mentioned in the documents released by the FBI, the men were in a position to observe the attack at approximately 8 AM, roughly 45 minutes before American Airlines Flight 11 struck the north tower, which prompts the question of how the Israelis knew there would be an event to document. Other witness stated they saw the men in a position to observe the attack within minutes of the first plane strike."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyUoGUV7b8

10 billion a year is literally a girl fart shutup

[Wonkie]

That's a well done article. This part was fascinating too-

"There were several Urban Moving Systems vehicles detained by police in the days before, during and after the 11 September attack, as well as many other vehicles belonging to other moving companies which were also occupied by Israeli nationals. Several of the Israelis traveled to airports using company vehicles and were unable to provide logical explanations for why they did so. One Israeli national with an invalid drivers license was arrested at the Mercer County Airport on 30 October 2001. It was found he had also driven to the FFA center in Pomona, New Jersey. The man was unable to provide reasonable explanations for being at either location. According to a Fox News report in December, 2001, approximately 200 Israelis were arrested for spying on various groups and government officials before and after the attacks."

"24 December 2001

Fox News Series on Israeli Spying on US Telecommunications

Fox News, beginning mid-December, reported a four-part series on alleged Israeli spying on the US telecommunication systems through firms which provide telephone billing and assist FBI wiretaps. Recently the series was withdrawn by Fox News without explanation. The series has been recovered from private archives for publication here.

When the series first appeared it seemed to be another case of Israel bashing, in particular the parts that rehashed years-old allegations (we've linked to a 1996 GAO report cited by Fox, and other alleged participants' Web sites). And the series may well be calculated disinformation, if not by Fox then by its sources.

However, Fox's unexplained yanking the series is worth noting. Except for a few comments on the Net, there has been no mainline media follow-up on the reason for the yank. If Fox found that the reports are in error, that is the sort of thing that usually brings heat from competitors. If the withdrawal was due to government intervention that would indeed be news, but hardly unprecedented these days. If the yank was due to private intervention that too would be worth learning about -- who, when, why.

Here are comments on the series by Ronald Rivest, a premier US cryptographer and security scientist:

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:41:33 -0500
To: cryptography@wasabisystems.com
From: "Ronald L. Rivest" <rivest@mit.edu>
Subject: Israeli compromise of U.S. telecommunications?
I found the following four-part report by Carl Cameron rather shocking:

Part 1: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40684,00.html

Part 2: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40747,00.html

Part 3: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40824,00.html

Part 4: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40981,00.html

Why should we be freely giving to Israeli corporations information (call records, CALEA information) that requires court orders to obtain in this country? Such information is obviously sensitive, and the well-motivated efforts to strengthen and protect our national infrastructure should reasonably include mandating that such information not be routinely handled by any foreign entities...

A more recent story indicates that the compromise was probably severe; criminals were escaping detection because of the compromise:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/18/224826.shtml
This vindicates concerns many of us have expressed over the years about creating single points of failure in wiretapping systems (e.g. the vulnerability of key escrow, etc.). Of course, in this case the vulnerability was intentionally created, it seems, by giving critical capabilities to foreign entities...

Ronald L. Rivest
Room 324, 200 Technology Square, Cambridge MA 02139
Tel 617-253-5880, Fax 617-258-9738, Email <rivest@mit.edu>

Note: Links within reports added by Cryptome."

zero chance you formatted this yourself.

thanks a lot bot

[Teppler]

Hard to find active links of the old stories. This looks like part of the old stories that are buried now?

http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/75P81.htm

WASHINGTON — Some 60 Israelis, who federal investigators have said are part of a long-running effort to spy on American government officials, are among the hundreds of foreigners detained since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Fox News has learned.

The Israelis, a handful of whom are described as active Israeli military or intelligence operatives, have been detained on immigration charges or under the new Patriot Anti-Terrorism Law. Federal investigators said some of them failed polygraph questions inquiring about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication the Israelis were involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, but investigators suspect that they may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance and not shared it.

A highly placed investigator told Fox News there are "tie-ins," but when asked for details flatly refused to describe them. "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified, I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information," the source said.

An Israeli Embassy spokesman offered categorical denials, and said any suggestion of Israelis spying on or in the United States is simply not true.

But Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis spotted in North Carolina recently is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the U.S. authorities are investigating for links to terrorism.

Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to Sept. 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States.

Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that has been compiling evidence in the case since the mid-1990s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say quote "may well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity."

Investigators are focusing part of their efforts on Israelis who said they are art students from the University of Jerusalem or Bezalel Academy and repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork.

Documents say they "targeted" and penetrated military bases, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigations, dozens of government facilities and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel.

Another part of the investigation has resulted in the detention and arrest of dozens of Israelis working at kiosks in American malls, where they had been selling toys called "Puzzlecar" and "Zoomcopter."

Investigators suspected a front. Shortly after the New York Times and Washington Post reported the detentions of Israelis on immigration charges last month, the carts began vanishing.

Why would Israelis spy in and on the United States?

A General Accounting Office investigation referred to Israel as Country A and said, "According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the U.S. of any U.S. ally."

A Defense Intelligence report said Israel has a "voracious appetite for information."

"The Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies," the DIA report said. "It aggressively collects military and industrial technology and the U.S. is a high priority target.

"Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives," the document concludes.

[Wonkie]

Hard to find active links of the old stories. This looks like part of the old stories that are buried now?



Yeah the links are broken because you pasted it. :rolleyes:

[Teppler]

Yeah the links are broken because you pasted it. :rolleyes:

Nope. The links don't exist anymore. Here is the rest of the fascinating 4 part series though-

https://cryptome.org/fox-il-spy.htm

I already posted part 1

(END VIDEO CLIP)

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy here in Washington issued a denial saying that any suggestion that Israelis are spying in or on the U.S. is "simply not true." There are other things to consider. And in the days ahead, we'll take a look at the U.S. phone system and law enforcement's methods for wiretaps. And an investigation that both have been compromised by our friends overseas.

HUME: Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen on 9/11? How clear are investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something?

CAMERON: It's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected — none of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is how could they not have known? Almost a direct quote.

HUME: Going into the fact that they were spying on some Arabs, right?

CAMERON: Correct.

HUME: All right, Carl, thanks very much.

Thanks to I.

Part 2 of 4

Original source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40747,00.html (File no longer available on Fox News.)

Could information that fell into an Israeli-based private communications company impeded the Sept. 11 inquiry

BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on the approximately 60 Israelis who had been detained in connection with the Sept. 11 terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron reported that U.S. investigators suspect that some of these Israelis were spying on Arabs in this country, and may have turned up information on the planned terrorist attacks back in September that was not passed on.

Tonight, in the second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the U.S., we learn about an Israeli-based private communications company, for whom a half-dozen of those 60 detained suspects worked. American investigators fear information generated by this firm may have fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of impeded the Sept. 11 terror inquiry. Here's Carl Cameron's second report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):

Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone. How?

By obtaining and analyzing data that's generated every time someone in the U.S. makes a call.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What city and state, please?

CAMERON: Here's how the system works. Most directory assistance calls, and virtually all call records and billing in the U.S. are done for the phone companies by Amdocs Ltd., an Israeli-based private telecommunications company.

Amdocs has contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America, and more worldwide. The White House and other secure government phone lines are protected, but it is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it.

In recent years, the FBI and other government agencies have investigated Amdocs more than once. The firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied any security breaches or wrongdoing. But sources tell Fox News that in 1999, the super secret National Security Agency, headquartered in northern Maryland, issued what's called a Top Secret sensitive compartmentalized information report, TS/SCI, warning that records of calls in the United States were getting into foreign hands * in Israel, in particular.

Investigators don't believe calls are being listened to, but the data about who is calling whom and when is plenty valuable in itself. An internal Amdocs memo to senior company executives suggests just how Amdocs generated call records could be used. “Widespread data mining techniques and algorithms.... combining both the properties of the customer (e.g., credit rating) and properties of the specific ‘behavior….’” Specific behavior, such as who the customers are calling.

The Amdocs memo says the system should be used to prevent phone fraud. But U.S. counterintelligence analysts say it could also be used to spy through the phone system. Fox News has learned that the N.S.A has held numerous classified conferences to warn the F.B.I. and C.I.A. how Amdocs records could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by the Argon national lab was used to show that if the phone records are not secure, major security breaches are possible.

Another briefing document said, "It has become increasingly apparent that systems and networks are vulnerable.…Such crimes always involve unauthorized persons, or persons who exceed their authorization...citing on exploitable vulnerabilities."

Those vulnerabilities are growing, because according to another briefing, the U.S. relies too much on foreign companies like Amdocs for high-tech equipment and software. "Many factors have led to increased dependence on code developed overseas.... We buy rather than train or develop solutions."

U.S. intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is involved in a misuse of information, and Amdocs insists that its data is secure. What U.S. government officials are worried about, however, is the possibility that Amdocs data could get into the wrong hands, particularly organized crime.

And that would not be the first thing that such a thing has happened. Fox News has documents of a 1997 drug trafficking case in Los Angeles, in which telephone information, the type that Amdocs collects, was used to "completely compromise the communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the DEA and the LAPD."

We'll have that and a lot more in the days ahead * Brit.

HUME: Carl, I want to take you back to your report last night on those 60 Israelis who were detained in the anti-terror investigation, and the suspicion that some investigators have that they may have picked up information on the 9/11 attacks ahead of time and not passed it on.

There was a report, you'll recall, that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, did indeed send representatives to the U.S. to warn, just before 9/11, that a major terrorist attack was imminent. How does that leave room for the lack of a warning?

CAMERON: I remember the report, Brit. We did it first internationally right here on your show on the 14th. What investigators are saying is that that warning from the Mossad was nonspecific and general, and they believe that it may have had something to do with the desire to protect what are called sources and methods in the intelligence community. The suspicion being, perhaps those sources and methods were taking place right here in the United States.

The question came up in select intelligence committee on Capitol Hill today. They intend to look into what we reported last night, and specifically that possibility * Brit.

HUME: So in other words, the problem wasn't lack of a warning, the problem was lack of useful details?

CAMERON: Quantity of information.

HUME: All right, Carl, thank you very much

[Wonkie]

Nope. The links don't exist anymore. Here is the rest of the fascinating 4 part series though-


nope.

https://i.imgur.com/8uoQibq.png

Stop spamming, bot.