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[rebeccablack]

Defending Podesta pedophile art work that is banned to post here. Yikes. We get to the heart of democrats here.
i can disapprove of his taste in art without immediately assuming misconduct based on nothing. do you have any actual evidence?

[Kaveh]

Close this thread mods

This is ridiculous at this point, Jesus Christ

[Teppler]

i can disapprove of his taste in art without immediately assuming misconduct based on nothing. do you have any actual evidence?

It’s pretty obvious when you look at the art. I would post the evidence here but galach told me he would get in trouble with his job if that pedophelia stays up on these forums. It hurts my heart to see people genuinely support it and empower those people.

[feniin]

Close this thread mods

This is ridiculous at this point, Jesus Christ

I miss Throndor and Dino.

[Kaveh]

It’s pretty obvious when you look at the art. I would post the evidence here but galach told me he would get in trouble with his job if that pedophelia stays up on these forums. It hurts my heart to see people genuinely support it and empower those people.

You have no heart and no brain. If only the wizard of oz weren’t fiction

[Ripp]

i can disapprove of his taste in art without immediately assuming misconduct based on nothing. do you have any actual evidence?

You're not ok with children being tied up in suggestive poses, right? Podesta is sick. How can he be defended at all?

SMH :mad:

[Teppler]

You have no heart and no brain. If only the wizard of oz weren’t fiction

Don’t be so triggered. You’re another one that could probably use a mod sponsored break when you start making posts like these.

[Asteria]

It’s pretty obvious when you look at the art. I would post the evidence here but galach told me he would get in trouble with his job if that pedophelia stays up on these forums. It hurts my heart to see people genuinely support it and empower those people.

My God...I've seen mushrooms with bigger brains than you!!

[Wonkie]

not all discourse needs to be a no-holds-barred hot take arms race

[rebeccablack]

Podesta is sick. How can he be defended at all?
evidence? yes? no?

[feniin]

Don’t be so triggered. You’re another one that could probably use a mod sponsored break when you start making posts like these.

I feel really bad for Galach that he has to comb through your daily PM spam of whining that the big bad liberals are picking on you.

[feniin]

not all discourse needs to be a no-holds-barred hot take arms race

Look Wonkie. We need a winner. And it's clear that only Teppler can win here.

[Teppler]

Note that this is the same defense they use for the Biden’s too among other crimes. Pure evil.

[Ripp]

evidence? yes? no?

The artwork is not enough? So, you do condone his artwork then?

[Asteria]

not all discourse needs to be a no-holds-barred hot take arms race

You ain't so tough my friend.

[rebeccablack]

The artwork is not enough? So, you do condone his artwork then?
of course not

[Teppler]

I feel really bad for Galach that he has to comb through your daily PM spam of whining that the big bad liberals are picking on you.

Galachs job would be 10x easier if you didn’t post here breaking the rules constantly. Don’t blame me for your inability to follow the rules.

When I got Horza banned I outlined 5 different times he sent warning to you guys in only a few weeks. And I know you are on your personal final warning too.

So if any of you are arguing with feniin and he gets too uppity with personal attacks like he always does, report him and he’ll get banned.

[Wonkie]

Look Wonkie. We need a winner. And it's clear that only Teppler can win here.

teppler can declare himself the winner if he stops the malarkey

these are my terms

[feniin]

Galachs job would be 10x easier if you didn’t post here breaking the rules constantly. Don’t blame me for your inability to follow the rules.

When I got Horza banned I outlined 5 different times he sent warning to you guys in only a few weeks. And I know you are on your personal final warning too.

:eek: better not call a spade a spade then. Gotta tiptoe around Teppler. :rolleyes:

[Asteria]

Note that this is the same defense they use for the Biden’s too among other crimes. Pure evil.

Uh oh, this person's attempting to communicate again!

[Ripp]

of course not

People don't just have pedo artwork lying around the house if they're innocent.

I'm fairly certain anyone who posted images of his artwork here would get an immediate ban.

[Jimjam]

I feel really bad for Galach that he has to comb through your daily PM spam of whining that the big bad liberals are picking on you.

People don't actually regularly PM forum mods do they?

[Teppler]

teppler can declare himself the winner if he stops the malarkey

these are my terms

You will eat my malarkey and enjoy it Wonkie.

[feniin]

People don't actually regularly PM forum mods do they?

He brags about getting people banned :rolleyes:

[Asteria]

People don't actually regularly PM forum mods do they?

Teppler is a pathological liar like her pathetic clown daddy, obese baby donnie trump.

Take anything they say with a grain of salt. ��

[rebeccablack]

I'm fairly certain anyone who posted images of his artwork here would get an immediate ban.
seems not!

[Jimjam]

He brags about getting people banned :rolleyes:

That seems unusual behaviour for an advocate of free speech and as a contrary to thoughtcrimes.

Are people wrongthinking?

Is Teppler waking the thought police?

Did i log into project1984 (note to self make this custom content server).

[Teppler]

seems not!

It was confirmed to me by the mods that posting the pedophile artwork of democrat powerhouse Podesta is indeed a bannable offense. Ask yourself if you want.

[feniin]

That seems unusual behaviour for an advocate of free speech and as a contrary to thoughtcrimes.

Are people wrongthinking?

Is Teppler waking the thought police?

Did i log into project1984 (note to self make this custom content server).
Big bother is watching.

[Domo]

Fox News Is Now a Threat to National Security (https://www.wired.com/story/fox-news-is-now-a-threat-to-national-security/)

[Teppler]

The establishment FISA report clears the FBI with 17 "unbiased" random mistakes being made all in Trump's disfavor.

That's a 0.000000762939% chance of actually happening. Essentially 0%. Horowitz report is itself, evidence of a strong FBI bias against Trump.

[feniin]

How'd you get those odds?

[Jimjam]

How'd you get those odds?

.5^17.

[Jimjam]

.5^17.

Quite the assumption to assume mistakes can be equally likely to be assumed as in favour to trump as assumed as in favour against trump.

[Ripp]

The establishment FISA report clears the FBI with 17 "unbiased" random mistakes being made all in Trump's disfavor.

That's a 0.000000762939% chance of actually happening. Essentially 0%. Horowitz report is itself, evidence of a strong FBI bias against Trump.

Yep, it's a crock. There's nothing BUT political bias and corruption all over this sham just like every other sham over the past three years.

This is nothing short of one big coup attempt and they got caught. More and more people are starting to figure this out though, that's why CNN's ratings are tanking.

[feniin]

Anything that paints Trump in an honest light must look like a coup to you.

[Teppler]

Quite the assumption to assume mistakes can be equally likely to be assumed as in favour to trump as assumed as in favour against trump.

0 exculpatory evidence was entered in at the same time. Further confirmation that without a doubt this was crooked. Chances of all this happening at the same time without bias is essentially 0.

[Jimjam]

0 exculpatory evidence was entered in at the same time. Further confirmation that without a doubt this was crooked. Chances of all this happening at the same time without bias is essentially 0.

I'm a little confused about what you're saying here. You're mad the FBI didn't bring claims of commiting innocence?

[Teppler]

I'm a little confused about what you're saying here. You're mad the FBI didn't bring claims of commiting innocence?

Mad isn’t the right word. It simply further confirms.

They got it wrong and they included

17 mistakes all against trump
0 evidence that pointed to innocence, which he was, added in

Come on. Let’s be realistic here.

[Jimjam]

Shouldn't it be 50/50?

It either is or it isn't

Assume a mistake is as likely to be pro trump as anti trump. 50/50 or 0.5

Two mistakes is 0.5x0.5 = 0.25 = 0.5^2

Three mistakes is 0.5x0.5x0.5 = 0.125 = 0.5^3

Seventeen is 0.5^17, the number that Trumpler gave.

[rebeccablack]

The establishment FISA report clears the FBI with 17 "unbiased" random mistakes being made all in Trump's disfavor.

That's a 0.000000762939% chance of actually happening.
are all 17 mistakes actually unique events? did 1 mistake cause another, etc? was each mistake seriously some kind of 50/50 binary? because that literally isnt a thing that exists unless youre flipping coins

there also may have been a bias at play that wasnt actually anti-trump.

[Jimjam]

Mad isn’t the right word. It simply further confirms.

They got it wrong and they included

17 mistakes all against trump
0 evidence that pointed to innocence, which he was, added in

Come on. Let’s be realistic here.

I'm confused. Like what was the purpose (official, not sinister shadow) of the report? To evidence offences commited?

If so why would it evidence lack of offences he did not commit?

You need to explain to me, cos I can imagine how mistakes in evidencing a crime would be way more likely to slip in than mistakes evidencing 'commiting' innocence?

I'm not trying to gotcha you and i have no dog so there isn't really a way to countergotcha me, i just need details of how the report was meant to work so i can understand the discussion.

[Teppler]

are all 17 mistakes actually unique events? did 1 mistake cause another, etc? was each mistake seriously some kind of 50/50 binary? because that literally isnt a thing that exists unless youre flipping coins

there also may have been a bias at play that wasnt actually anti-trump.

We have them right here. The mistakes and oversights are simply overwhelming when you mount them all up.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/the-comey-fbis-17-worst-failures-inaccuracies-and-omissions-flagged-in-the-russia-fisa-report/

Then you also consider that

No exculpatory evidence added.
No warnings to trumps campaign which is usually not the norm

Again the chance of no bias against Trump campaign is essentially 0.

[feniin]

0.000000762939% chance this isn't some /pol/ hoax you're spreading.

[rebeccablack]

does it really matter?

[Teppler]

I'm confused. Like what was the purpose (official, not sinister shadow) of the report? To evidence offences commited?

If so why would it evidence lack of offences he did not commit?

You need to explain to me, cos I can imagine how mistakes in evidencing a crime would be way more likely to slip in than mistakes evidencing 'commiting' innocence?

I'm not trying to gotcha you and i have no dog so there isn't really a way to countergotcha me, i just need details of how the report was meant to work so i can understand the discussion.

Sure. What was the point of the fisa warrant and spying on trump? Is that what you are asking?

Hamstring Trump of course. Lord over the president and make decisions without ever being elected by the people.

The next part is more my personal speculation. I think the above is more firm.

My opinion about Trump, the establishment and intelligence community is that the scandals are a way to keep an ineffective trump presidency around. Scandals that they help push through creating investigations based off faulty info and fisa warrants filled with all sorts of biased errors. I also point to the fact that they reopened that investigation into Hillary’s emails again 1 week before voting. I suspect they helped get trump elected because he’d be easier to control. Hillary vs intelligence community could have been a power struggle they didn’t want to bother with.

Imagine if the fbi started an investigation into Obama’s birth based off faulty foreign info and rumors. Think about the shoe on the other foot, what that would be like. Maybe that will give some perspextive.

[Jimjam]

No, i'm not asking for the subtext reason of hamstringing trump, thats obvious. I was wondering what its official purpose was for.

The link above was somewhat useful in clearing that up but honestly its one piece in the puzzle and i'm not familiar with the intricacies of recent US politics.

I don't see how investigating other presidents would be shoe on other foot? It sounds like sensible procedure?

[rebeccablack]

Imagine if the fbi started an investigation into Obama’s birth based off faulty foreign info and rumors. Think about the shoe on the other foot, what that would be like. Maybe that will give some perspextive.
i think it probably wouldnt have resulted in 36 indictments and i doubt he would have fired the head of the fbi over it, but sure

[Teppler]

No, i'm not asking for the subtext reason of hamstringing trump, thats obvious. I was wondering what its official purpose was for.

The link above was somewhat useful in clearing that up but honestly its one piece in the puzzle and i'm not familiar with the intricacies of recent US politics.

I don't see how investigating other presidents would be shoe on other foot? It sounds like sensible procedure?

I guess it’s not a good comparison seeing how Obama the democrat elites are in bed with the intelligence community. It’s not realistic to consider his campaign could be spied on by liberal elites when they were embedded with them. It was a bad comparison, I apologize. I don’t really have a good comparison, all I can point out is that they did a horrible globalist abuse of privacy and authority to try to destroy a nationalistic candidate the people love. All through a shitty fisa warrant based on overwhelming bias and mistakes to push it through.

[Jimjam]

I don't see how investigating other presidents would be shoe on other foot? It sounds like sensible procedure?

In fact as POTUS has to be a born US cit (right?), I'd be really suprised if no investigation took place if rumours of wrongbirth were flying around. You think it would be a part of thr process of swearing in to prove your identity.

[Teppler]

Jim do you still pretend you arent an establishment lefty?

[Jimjam]

What is a fisa warrant anyway?

Fisa sounds like the Greek word for wind/blow btw.

[Teppler]

In fact as POTUS has to be a born US cit (right?), I'd be really suprised if no investigation took place if rumours of wrongbirth were flying around. You think it would be a part of thr process of swearing in to prove your identity.

It was a big joke when Obama came into office. Some people questioned where he was born and it didn’t get answered with proof for a long time because people dismissed it as “racist”. It’s a pretty fucking important question though. Guess which side the liberal media shilled for overwhelmingly?

[Jimjam]

Jim do you still pretend you arent an establishment lefty?

You just view me through those lenses because I have previously asked for clarifications on matters or even disagreed on exactly who the puppets are and the nature of the elites conflicts and you misinterpreted that as attack. Now you can't unsee that perspective.

[feniin]

You just view me through those lenses because I have previously asked for clarifications on matters or even disagreed on exactly who the puppets are and the nature of the elites conflicts and you misinterpreted that as attack. Now you can't unsee that perspective.

Damnit, JJ - stop being such a leftist shill and just eat this red pill. :o

[Jimjam]

It was a big joke when Obama came into office. Some people questioned where he was born and it didn’t get answered with proof for a long time because people dismissed it as “racist”. It’s a pretty fucking important question though. Guess which side the liberal media shilled for overwhelmingly?

You'd hope that kind of detail would be proved under heavy scrutiny way before a candidate was sworn in, right.

It's a bitch to prove my own identity to organisations I want to pay money to!

[feniin]

You'd hope that kind of detail would be proved under heavy scrutiny way before a candidate was sworn in, right.

It's a bitch to prove my own identity to organisations I want to pay money to!

The fact that the alt-right cult thinks there was even a remote chance that Obama wasn't born in the US and somehow made it through all of his schooling, jobs, and political offices without being noticed is all you need to know about their conspiracy theories.

[feniin]

Trump claims that 'the US is no longer laughed at' just days after European leaders mocked him (https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-us-laugh-nato-summit-macron-trudeau-boris-johnson-watch-video-9242566)

[Teppler]

You just view me through those lenses because I have previously asked for clarifications on matters or even disagreed on exactly who the puppets are and the nature of the elites conflicts and you misinterpreted that as attack. Now you can't unsee that perspective.

No Jim. I know your positions by now and I know what you have problems with. Your viewpoints very closely aligned to establishment left. I’ve never seen you take or defend a right wing position. Name some you have.

[Jimjam]

HThe fact that the alt-right cult thinks there was even a remote chance that Obama wasn't born in the US and somehow made it through all of his schooling, jobs, and political offices without being noticed is all you need to know about their conspiracy theories.

In fairness as a dirty forin living in a dystopia I don't know how extreme USA would be on those everyday security / identity checks. I hear there is a lot of illegal immigrants who are able to easily naturalise or settle so the impression from that would be low security checks and profiling, but on the otherhand since 9/11 the institutions seem to be using fear as a weapon of contol on the populace so i guess it may swing the other way.

Do you need a lot of ID checks for setting up accounts for services, banking, voting, paying taxes, etc in the US?

[feniin]

No Jim. I know your positions by now and I know what you have problems with. Your viewpoints very closely aligned to establishment left. I’ve never seen you take or defend a right wing position. Name some you have.

Probably because right-wing positions are all garbage fear mongering with no sustainability.

[feniin]

H

In fairness as a dirty forin living in a dystopia I don't know how extreme USA would be on those everyday security / identity checks. I hear there is a lot of illegal immigrants who are able to easily naturalise or settle so the impression from that would be low security checks and profiling, but on the otherhand since 9/11 the institutions seem to be using fear as a weapon of contol on the populace so i guess it may swing the other way.

Do you need a lot of ID checks for setting up accounts for services, banking, voting, paying taxes, etc in the US?
I have to provide a birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number for just about anything. Usually 2 utility bills as well.

[Jimjam]

No Jim. I know your positions by now and I know what you have problems with. Your viewpoints very closely aligned to establishment left. I’ve never seen you take or defend a right wing position. Name some you have.

I used to play right back, occasionally moving forward to wing in soccer if that counts?

I'm against calling criticizers of Israel as anti semites by default.

I believe in free market capitalism where competition can blossom.

Also I'm from the UK which pretty much invented unions, socialism, workers rights, etc and a european citizen so my idea of right is probably further to the left than your idea of left.

[Teppler]

I have to provide a birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number for just about anything. Usually 2 utility bills as well.

Not to vote. Liberals bus around illegal immigrants to stat pad their votes and commit voter fraud. Liberals call Id laws racist so they can keep their crimes up.

Then they brag about winning a popular vote. Yeah no wonder. You fight to keep a damaged border so people can sneak in to vote democrat and then do it again after democrats bus them around.

[Jimjam]

I have to provide a birth certificate, drivers license, and social security number for just about anything. Usually 2 utility bills as well.

Sounds on par for the UK. Can't believe they bother with less than that for Obama?!

[feniin]

Not to vote. Liberals bus around illegal immigrants to stat pad their votes and commit voter fraud. Liberals call Id laws racist so they can keep their crimes up.

Then they brag about winning a popular vote. Yeah no wonder. You fight to keep a damaged border so people can sneak in to vote democrat and then do it again after democrats bus them around.

We're not talking about voting. Follow along.

Edit: voting was one of the things he listed, sorry.

Voting does not, and should not, require any sort of ID.

[Jimjam]

No Jim. I know your positions by now and I know what you have problems with. Your viewpoints very closely aligned to establishment left. I’ve never seen you take or defend a right wing position. Name some you have.

Also you constantly project US politics onto non US posters. Like we don't care about Demos vs Repos. Neither are our team.

[Jimjam]

We're not talking about voting. Follow along.

Edit: voting was one of the things he listed, sorry.

Voting does not, and should not, require any sort of ID.

Registering for voting does here. I'll attempt to vote with no ID tomorrow.

[feniin]

Registering for voting does here. I'll attempt to vote with no ID tomorrow.

You can get registered to vote from someone with a clipboard in a mall parking lot.

[Jimjam]

You can get registered to vote from someone with a clipboard in a mall parking lot.

That seems rather alarmingly abusable...

(Right wing enough for you Teppy? Or is it left... I'm not sure)

[Teppler]

Also you constantly project US politics onto non US posters. Like we don't care about Demos vs Repos. Neither are our team.

Being left or right is about values. If I take US as the center line of politics for the world, UK people are further left on the average. You can break this down issue by issue if you wish too. Yes, I can judge you. Globally UK is more lefty. I find that you fall in line with that based on my observation. I haven't seen you ever support a right wing position for the UK. At best, you remain skeptical to listen to things but I've never actually seen you waver your support from establishment left.

[Wonkie]

Being left or right is about values. If I take US as the center line of politics for the world, UK people are further left on the average. You can break this down issue by issue if you wish too. Yes, I can judge you. Globally UK is more lefty. I find that you fall in line with that based on my observation. I haven't seen you ever support a right wing position for the UK. At best, you remain skeptical to listen to things but I've never actually seen you waver your support from establishment left.

Just say Overton window

[Teppler]

That seems rather alarmingly abusable...

(Right wing enough for you Teppy? Or is it left... I'm not sure)

Getting better.... Maybe you can begin to understand I merely take these positions honestly for the health of my country. What kind of American wants the availability for foreign exploitation like this?

[Jimjam]

Getting better.... Maybe you can begin to understand I merely take these positions honestly for the health of my country. What kind of American wants the availability for foreign exploitation like this?

I already understand your intentions, you're clear on that. We're closer aligned than you think.

[Jimjam]

Establishment left?

The Conservatives have been in power for 10 years. They've stripped the country and sold it out. 1/5 of the children live in poverty to make it the sixth richest country on earth.

Before them we had wanna be Conservative New Labour who were little better and before that Thatchers lot that destroyed Britain's industry to make the country a bankers haven.

Don't forget the banker bailout instead of saving the people. The NHS is being sold off chunk by chunk. Welfare safety nets and pensions disappear and dieing people are forced to work.

We're ruled by a bloody monarch to top it off.

You have to be kidding me to say the establishment is left.

Billionaire mongols own the media and make the people dance to the establishment's tune which is cuts and austerity and scapegoating all the government and social failures onto outsiders.

They rule through divide and conquer.

[feniin]

Establishment left?

The conservatives have been in power for 10 years. They've stripped the country and sold it out. 1/5 of the children live in poverty to make it the sixth richest country on earth.

Before them we had wanna be conservative new labour who were little better and before that Thatchers lot that destroyed Britain's industry to make the country a bankers haven.

Don't forget the banker bailout instead of saving the people. The NHS is being sold off chunk by chunk. Welfare safety nets and pensions disappear and dieing people are forced to work.

We're ruled by a bloody monarch to top it off.

You have to be kidding me to say the establishment is left.

Billionaire mongols own the media and make the people dance to the establishment's tune which is cuts and austerity and scapegoating all the government and social failures onto outsiders.

They rule through divide and conquer.

When he says "establishment left" he means something entirely different.

[Teppler]

Establishment left?

The conservatives have been in power for 10 years. They've stripped the country and sold it out. 1/5 of the children live in poverty to make it the sixth richest country on earth.

Before them we had wanna be conservative new labour who were little better and before that Thatchers lot that destroyed Britain's industry to make the country a bankers haven.

Don't forget the banker bailout instead of saving the people. The NHS is being sold off chunk by chunk. Welfare safety nets and pensions disappear and dieing people are forced to work.

We're ruled by a bloody monarch to top it off.

You have to be kidding me to say the establishment is left.

Billionaire mongols own the media and make the people dance to the establishment's tune which is cuts and austerity and scapegoating all the government and social failures onto outsiders.

They rule through divide and conquer.

Jim one thing you have to understand is your right wing is moderate-left leaning to the rest of the world. You have to understand the UK is more a liberal nation.

The US has edged left wing over the last 30 years as well when you consider spending, social issues, immigration. We haven’t swung to the right on these in over 30 years

Our line was more middle ground in the 90s. We’ve shifted left on those issues since then. And the UKs right wing is to the left of that.

That’s the game they play in the UK. Choose between our extreme left candidate or just one that is slightly left wing. Nice choices your banker elites give you peasants.

[Jimjam]

When he says "establishment left" he means something entirely different.

I think he confuses my disdain with the modern incarnation of the Conservative party with conservative morality.

I'm all about the small business owners, competition, local economy.

[Jimjam]

Jim one thing you have to understand is your right wing is moderate-left leaning to the rest of the world. You have to understand the UK is more a liberal nation.

The US has edged left wing over the last 30 years as well when you consider spending, social issues, immigration. We haven’t swung to the right on these in over 30 years

Our line was more middle ground in the 90s. We’ve shifted left on those issues since then. And the UKs right wing is to the left of that.

That’s the game they play in the UK. Choose between our extreme left candidate or just one that is slightly left wing. Nice choices your banker elites give you peasants.

I understand that. I literally stated it to you in an earlier post...
Also I'm from the UK which pretty much invented unions, socialism, workers rights, etc and a european citizen so my idea of right is probably further to the left than your idea of left.
My wealth is almost completely disengaged from the banking system. Likewise no mortgages or loans. You're strawmanning me as a banker's bitch.

[Teppler]

Jim I want you to do the same with the UK that I’ve done with the US. It will clarify this discussion. You’re better to do this because you know specifics about us better than me too.

Take 3 fields. Spending, immigration and social issues.

Take a look at how the UK was in 1995. Write down what was going on with all these 3 things.

Then compare to 2019.

Has there been a shift to the left in spending? Meaning, is there more money being spent now? How much more? Conserving money is a conservative position. This one is easy to figure out.

Immigration? What do the numbers look like in comparison to 1995? Are you opening the borders increasingly to become liberal with immigration or the numbers staying about the same or going the other way?

Social issues? How is lgbt treated compared to 1995. Did your country shift left or right since 1995.

This will give you perspective on your country’s shift during your life time.

[Jimjam]

I appreciate you want to help, but I come here for fun discussion and 'travel', not homework.

[feniin]

Jim I want you to do the same with the UK that I’ve done with the US. It will clarify this discussion. You’re better to do this because you know specifics about us better than me too.

Take 3 fields. Spending, immigration and social issues.

Take a look at how the UK was in 1995. Write down what was going on with all these 3 things.

Then compare to 2019.

Has there been a shift to the left in spending? Meaning, is there more money being spent now? How much more? Conserving money is a conservative position. This one is easy to figure out.

Immigration? What do the numbers look like in comparison to 1995? Are you opening the borders increasingly to become liberal with immigration or the numbers staying about the same or going the other way?

Social issues? How is lgbt treated compared to 1995. Did your country shift left or right since 1995.

This will give you perspective on your country’s shift during your life time.

This is demonstrably false.

[Teppler]

This is demonstrably false.

Nope. I know what your thinking even before you write it out. Republican =/= conservative. We have lots of establishment republicans around that act like liberals.

[Teppler]

I appreciate you want to help, but I come here for fun discussion and 'travel', not homework.

That’s fine but we aren’t going to get anywhere if we don’t dig deep beyond the surface area at some point.

[Wonkie]

Has there been a shift to the left in spending? Meaning, is there more money being spent now? How much more? Conserving money is a conservative position. This one is easy to figure out.

google growth lol

[Kaveh]

Please ban teppler, he’s really annoying and can’t spell EQ

[Jimjam]

I think minimising costs is great, but the idea that minimising spending is morally better seems too reductionist. And it's reductionist to define conservative by that one metric.

Regardless, i have my cocoa in bed we'll plod on for fun.

Spending is fine when done as investment. If you can spend a billion pounds to save or make a trillion that is good.

If you can turn an unemployable sponge that causes social harm into a productive worker that is a double win economically.

Measures of inflation are notoriously fuzzy, but the only spending that has really gone up, and not even by an order of magnitude is education, health and social protection. This is without considering the 10% population rise, which means the increase isn't so large on a per capita basis.

Without knowing how well that money was spent (which is always a worry: cronyism suggests it was put into a friends pocket via 'contracting', which is a form of conservative) I'd say these are worthwhile areas for investment (again public order, education and health). It's not like kids can pay for their own education, and getting a low wage worker of a profitable business back in the assembly line benefits the economy and reduces welfare costs.

You have to weigh the costs of not spending vs the cost of spending, right?

Something that has reduced is the wardebt was paid off. Thanks for the 'help'.

Immigration... Looking at my own house I've gone from 5/5 natives to 1/3 natives... And thats if you include ((great)grand)children of an immigrant born in the uk as native. Economically speaking workers are profitable to the economy. More workers = more profit... Not necessarily to the benefit of the commoner though. The capitalist in me sees increased opportunity for profit tbh. The nationalist in me is proud people view the country as a desirable place to live.


I don't see how a couple of my friends dicking each other in private is anything to do with the government? Regulating that is a step towards big government. Not politically conservative. Maybe socially.

[Kaveh]

I think minimising costs is great, but the idea that minimising spending is morally better seems too reductionist. And it's reductionist to define conservative by that one metric.

Regardless, i have my cocoa in bed we'll plod on for fun.

Spending is fine when done as investment. If you can spend a billion pounds to save or make a trillion that is good.

If you can turn an unemployable sponge that causes social harm into a productive worker that is a double win economically.

Measures of inflation are notoriously fuzzy, but the only spending that has really gone up, and not even by an order of magnitude is education, health and social protection. This is without considering the 10% population rise, which means the increase isn't so large on a per capita basis.

Without knowing how well that money was spent (which is always a worry: cronyism suggests it was put into a friends pocket via 'contracting', which is a form of conservative) I'd say these are worthwhile areas for investment (again public order, education and health). It's not like kids can pay for their own education, and getting a low wage worker of a profitable business back in the assembly line benefits the economy and reduces welfare costs.

You have to weigh the costs of not spending vs the cost of spending, right?

Something that has reduced is the wardebt was paid off. Thanks for the 'help'.

Immigration... Looking at my own house I've gone from 5/5 natives to 1/3 natives... And thats if you include ((great)grand)children of an immigrant born in the uk as native. Economically speaking workers are profitable to the economy. More workers = more profit... Not necessarily to the benefit of the commoner though. The capitalist in me sees increased opportunity for profit tbh. The nationalist in me is proud people view the country as a desirable place to live.


I don't see how a couple of my friends dicking each other in private is anything to do with the government? Regulating that is a step towards big government. Not politically conservative. Maybe socially.
In America, cost increases associated with education and healthcare are almost entirely based on “administrative costs,” whatever that means. Basically more ass holes pushing red tape, and probably associated with private hospitals and universities as opposed to the actual government bureaucracy. It’s infuriating. That and 50% of Americans are obese diabetic slugs whose blood is more viscous than motor oil

[Wonkie]

12082

[Kaveh]

Healthcare and education costs per capita are up wonkie, I’m not talking absolute numbers I’m talking percentages

[Wonkie]

Healthcare and education costs per capita are up wonkie, I’m not talking absolute numbers I’m talking percentages

Per capita is a degenerate metric

[Jimjam]

In America, cost increases associated with education and healthcare are almost entirely based on “administrative costs,” whatever that means. Basically more ass holes pushing red tape, and probably associated with private hospitals and universities as opposed to the actual government bureaucracy. It’s infuriating. That and 50% of Americans are obese diabetic slugs whose blood is more viscous than motor oil

Yeah, its a way for the elites to extract more money from the government. Get more of their companies contractors, consultants and project managers in there.

Teachers have so much paper work niw, and they aren't even allowed to beat the children anymore either.

[BallzDeep]

UK is definitely far to the left on the overton window. You do not have freedom of speech in UK. The most famous case would be the one against the guy in Scotland for taking his girlfriends pug as a joke and having it do a Nazi salute. The government found this as hate speech and brought him to court. He was found guilty of hate crime. It's obviously insensitive but entitled to a joke even if it's offensive. They do not believe you have the right to a firearm. They afford you those rights. There are a lot less retrictions on search and seizures. Yours is based on suspicion. Ours you need probable cause.

If you are curious on the world's elites:

Market capitalization—the value of a company’s outstanding shares—may be a better measure of a company’s current influence in the world

Guess who has the current top market capitalizations? Apple, Google, Microsoft (MSN), Amazon, Facebook, JP Morgan, Berkshire, Johnson & Johnson (last).

Twitter is not up there but has major influence. Twitter bans people based on hate speech. They deem the idea if you claim transgenderism is a mental issue, you will be suspended or banned. When you have every single democratic candidate claiming "I support the transgender people," at the democratic debates, you are now banning people that disagree with a left philosophy. This is an easy win for the left because everyone hates bigots and wants to say they are morally supportive of everyone. They just didn't realize it violated freedom of speech and goes against innate mammal traits. I don't like harassment and think its stupid but if your general premise is that you believe transgenderism is a mental disability, you are entilted to that opinion. As puts it Jordan Peterson always puts it male/female roles go back to Lobsters. To give you a perspective of how old that is, it's before trees existed.

[BallzDeep]

This will also not take into account that youtube will soon be implementing a no harassment clause after Steven Crowder called the guy from Vox gay and youtube demonetized his channel. This means they could be banning people retroactively for any video they deem as harassment. Meanwhile, they still benefit from open platform tax laws. Just to be clear I think harassment is bad. I think an open exchange of ideas without bounds is better. Better watch out, won't be able to find those great clips of your favorite on the line comedian anymore.

[Teppler]

Jim I really don’t understand why you do this. You’re always trying to convince people you’re not that establishment left wing when you clearly are. You’re the only one around here that fails to embrace what they are on the political spectrum. You’re an establishment lefty. Stop the lobby. Embrace it. I resent having to play charades with you here.

[feniin]

Jim I really don’t understand why you do this. You’re always trying to convince people you’re not that establishment left wing when you clearly are. You’re the only one around here that fails to embrace what they are on the political spectrum. You’re an establishment lefty. Stop the lobby. Embrace it. I resent having to play charades with you here.

Teppler, I don't understand why you do this. You're always trying to convince people you're not an alt-right cultist when you clearly are. You're the only one around here that fails to embrace what they are on the political spectrum. You're a white nationalist. Stop denying it. Embrace it. I resent having to play charades with you here.

[Wonkie]

There's Walmart ads on the economist podcast delenda est

[feniin]

There's Walmart ads on the economist podcast delenda est

does TDS have ads?

[Teppler]

Trump posts a meme and Don Lemon loses his mind. Pretty funny.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/12/11/don-lemon-trump-trolls-democrats-sot-ctn-vpx.cnn

[BallzDeep]

But wait....the Republicans are the elites and own all the money!

In 2018, Bloomberg spent more than $100 million to help elect Democrats in the midterm elections.

Democratic House hopefuls have raised more than $951 million, crushing their Republican opponents’ $637 million haul. Things are closer in the Senate — $513 million to $361 million — but Democrats are still ahead.

Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and Clinton's main super PAC, Priorities USA Action, had raised more than $700 million, while Trump had brought in $400 million

But wait the Republicans are the ones that throw money at politics.

Bruised by sluggish fundraising performances and $7.2 million in debt, the DNC recently turned to the party’s presidential contenders for help. The party committee hosted fundraising events featuring several candidates as headliners, including Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), and self-funded billionaire Tom Steyer, CNBC reported.

The RNC entered September with $53.8 million on hand and ended the month with $59.2 million in the bank.

But wait the Democrats are good with money.

The DNC is not the only Democratic party committee to struggle with multimillion-dollar debt. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ended September with $17.6 million on hand, more than the $13 million cash reserve of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but it stills bears a debt of $11.9 million. The committee raised $6.8 million in September, outpacing its GOP counterpart by almost $2 million.

[feniin]

Trump posts a meme and Don Lemon loses his mind. Pretty funny.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/12/11/don-lemon-trump-trolls-democrats-sot-ctn-vpx.cnn

Who actually watching CNN? what's wrong with you?

[feniin]

But wait....the Republicans are the elites and own all the money!

In 2018, Bloomberg spent more than $100 million to help elect Democrats in the midterm elections.

Democratic House hopefuls have raised more than $951 million, crushing their Republican opponents’ $637 million haul. Things are closer in the Senate — $513 million to $361 million — but Democrats are still ahead.

Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and Clinton's main super PAC, Priorities USA Action, had raised more than $700 million, while Trump had brought in $400 million

But wait the Republicans are the ones that throw money at politics.

Bruised by sluggish fundraising performances and $7.2 million in debt, the DNC recently turned to the party’s presidential contenders for help. The party committee hosted fundraising events featuring several candidates as headliners, including Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), and self-funded billionaire Tom Steyer, CNBC reported.

The RNC entered September with $53.8 million on hand and ended the month with $59.2 million in the bank.

But wait the Democrats are good with money.

The DNC is not the only Democratic party committee to struggle with multimillion-dollar debt. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ended September with $17.6 million on hand, more than the $13 million cash reserve of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but it stills bears a debt of $11.9 million. The committee raised $6.8 million in September, outpacing its GOP counterpart by almost $2 million.

Are you attempting to make a point? :confused:

[BallzDeep]

Are you attempting to make a point? :confused:

Color me surprised a liberal bookkeeper that can't read something that relates to bookkeeping. Basically means the DNC is having absurd amounts of donations from all platforms - Celebrities, PACs, and corporations. The RNC meanwhile got significantly less money and has $110 million on hand and banked because they aren't out buying celebrity tours for publicity. This is the case for the Senate and for the DNC itself. They are now utilizing a self funded billionaire Tom Steyer, Warren and Harris (while she was running) to try to pool up money for a primary because they are broke and being used as a pawn for the front runner.

[Wonkie]

does TDS have aids?

Yeah

[feniin]

Color me surprised a liberal bookkeeper that can't read something that relates to bookkeeping.

Your word salad post of numbers and candidates doesn't really make a point other than Democrats raise money during elections?

[BallzDeep]

Your word salad post of numbers and candidates doesn't really make a point other than Democrats raise money during elections?

Doesn't surprise me you left out the elephant in the room of the debt and they are good at spending it. But yeah, sure you aren't going for "winning" here.

[feniin]

Doesn't surprise me you left out the elephant in the room of the debt. But yeah, sure you aren't going for "winning" here.

Didn't actually read your post because history tells me that it's a waste of time.

[Rader]

Quite the assumption to assume mistakes can be equally likely to be assumed as in favour to trump as assumed as in favour against trump.

That is exactly the definition of objectivity, errors would be 50-50 in favor or against. Are you really that stupid? Sheesh. So if 17 times a libturd errs against Trump, and they have posted on social media their hatred for Trump, it is OBVIOUS to any one with a functioning brain that they are acting to subvert the POTUS. Horowitz is obviously a useful idiot for the progressives, for him to deny that Obama was directly acting to subvert Donald Trump and aid Hillary Clinton in her attempt to win election in 2016.

[BallzDeep]

Didn't actually read your post because history tells me that it's a waste of time.

This just shows how much you don't actually read posts and respond that your opinion is automatically better than someone elses. Constantly talk about morale and leveling the playing field meanwhile being the worst offender by trumping thought that you are always right. A real shame, not a way to raise children either. Need to allow free thought and listen.

[feniin]

This just shows how much you don't actually read posts and respond that your opinion is automatically better than someone elses. Constantly talk about morale and leveling the playing field meanwhile being the worst offender by trumping thought that you are always right. A real shame, not a way to raise children either. Need to allow free thought and listen.
I don't think I've ever talked about any of that. Seems like you don't read posts either.

[BallzDeep]

That is exactly the definition of objectivity, errors would be 50-50 in favor or against. Are you really that stupid? Sheesh. So if 17 times a libturd errs against Trump, and they have posted on social media their hatred for Trump, it is OBVIOUS to any one with a functioning brain that they are acting to subvert the POTUS. Horowitz is obviously a useful idiot for the progressives, for him to deny that Obama was directly acting to subvert Donald Trump and aid Hillary Clinton in her attempt to win election in 2016.

This is 100% true. Bill Burr goes on Conan and talks about it right after the election. Conan says he brought him on to "bash" Trump and Burr says he actually thought the whole ordeal was hilarious.

Trump criticized Obama for lack of leadership, his citizenship and general cover-ups.

back in 2011 Obama roasted into Trump at the White House Dinner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHckZCxdRkA

Trump then started going for the job and Obama wanted to block him ever since.

Burr was commenting how it was hilarious that Trump criticized Obama. Obama roasted him. He then said I'm coming for your job. Took his job and showed him the way out.

[Wonkie]

But wait the Democrats are good with money.

The DNC is not the only Democratic party committee to struggle with multimillion-dollar debt. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee ended September with $17.6 million on hand, more than the $13 million cash reserve of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but it stills bears a debt of $11.9 million. The committee raised $6.8 million in September, outpacing its GOP counterpart by almost $2 million.

Offhand I remember a story that Obama left the Dem fundraising apparatus in arrears and never paid off his campaign debts. Might be on Netflix I forget.

[BallzDeep]

]I don't think I've ever talked about any of that. Seems like you don't read posts either.

Are you attempting to make a point?

Acts like someone's point is redundant and stupid.

doesn't really make a point other than Democrats raise money during elections?

Then finally....you don't need to listen. You already know everyone's counter point and that you are already right. No need to produce any argument or proof.
Didn't actually read your post because history tells me that it's a waste of time.

This is like one page ago. There has to be something still up there in that brain of yours.

[feniin]

Acts like someone's point is redundant and stupid.



Then finally....you don't need to listen. You already know everyone's counter point and that you are already right.

Are you okay? :confused:

[BallzDeep]

Are you okay? :confused:

Are you? You seem to have a severe issue defending any opposition to your point of view and dismiss any point that isn't like yours. What is your point about the DNC being very bad at spending money? Do you agree that Obama shit on the campaign and it was terribly managed or what is your premise there? Can you defend anything or are you gonna hit us with a 30-40 year old dad you mad?

[BallzDeep]

This will be like the Yes or No thread. You ask a question, I respond and defend my point of view on that question and then you respond. That simple. If you don't want to be inclined to research other points of view, you are probably in the wrong thread.

[Wonkie]

This will be like the Yes or No thread. You ask a question, I respond and defend my point of view on that question and then you respond. That simple. If you don't want to be inclined to research other points of view, you are probably in the wrong thread.

What's your favorite Pokemon and why is it Bulbasaur?

[feniin]

Are you? You seem to have a severe issue defending any opposition to your point of view and dismiss any point that isn't like yours. What is your point about the DNC being very bad at spending money? Do you agree that Obama shit on the campaign and it was terribly managed or what is your premise there? Can you defend anything or are you gonna hit us with a 30-40 year old dad you mad?

That was your point, I think?

[BallzDeep]

What's your favorite Pokemon and why is it Bulbasaur?

I think the only time I was into Pokémon was maybe back in the 5th grade? It really wasn't even me. I wanted to do something for my brother so I traded something for a Holographic Charizard at school from a kid. Can't remember what I gave though. Played snap back in the day though. Would have to be Charmander though I think, he at least looks like cool but Bulbasaur looks like a tank and always liked bulldogs. Xmen all day though.

[feniin]

I think the only time I was into Pokémon was maybe back in the 5th grade? It really wasn't even me. I wanted to do something for my brother so I traded something for a Holographic Charizard at school from a kid. Can't remember what I gave though. Played snap back in the day though. Would have to be Charmander though I think, he at least looks like cool but Bulbasaur looks like a tank and always liked bulldogs. Xmen all day though.

I don't trust anyone who didn't like Pokemon. 1997-1999 were peak years to be a nerd. Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, EverQuest, AOL chat rooms, Digimon battles in the cafeteria -- middle school was pretty good.

[BallzDeep]

That was your point, I think?

That and the fact that one of your main complaints is that the Republican party is funneled money for propaganda and fox news is the major corporation along with these other local news conglomerates that feed so much money and news to brain washed people. . So the question is why is the DNC so bad at saving money despite raising almost double the money as the RNC and blowing through almost a billion in campaign finances and whom is donating double the amount of the RNC is the RNC are the elites?

They are now having to send multi-billionaires like Tom Steyer and Bloomberg to fundraising events and dumping money to remove themselves from debt. This is despite having more money financed to their campaign in mid terms. This is despite having more money financed for the 2016 election.

[feniin]

That and the fact that one of your main complaints is that the Republican party is funneled money for propaganda and fox news is the major corporation along with these other local news conglomerates that feed so much money and news to brain washed people. . So the question is why is the DNC so bad at saving money despite raising almost double the money as the RNC and blowing through almost a billion in campaign finances and whom is donating double the amount of the RNC is the RNC are the elites?

They are now having to send multi-billionaires like Tom Steyer and Bloomberg to fundraising events and dumping money to remove themselves from debt. This is despite having more money financed to their campaign in mid terms. This is despite having more money financed for the 2016 election.
Elections are expensive? I don't know what to tell you. I really don't care about the DNC's finances, tbh. They had to spend a lot more money to get air time than Trump did because he just ran his mouth and the news stations covered it for free. How they market themselves doesn't really have a bearing on how they'll spend for social programs.

[Wonkie]

That and the fact that one of your main complaints is that the Republican party is funneled money for propaganda and fox news is the major corporation along with these other local news conglomerates that feed so much money and news to brain washed people. . So the question is why is the DNC so bad at saving money despite raising almost double the money as the RNC and blowing through almost a billion in campaign finances and whom is donating double the amount of the RNC is the RNC are the elites?

They are now having to send multi-billionaires like Tom Steyer and Bloomberg to fundraising events and dumping money to remove themselves from debt. This is despite having more money financed to their campaign in mid terms. This is despite having more money financed for the 2016 election.

Dawg if they raised 700 million and only have 12 million in outstanding debt they're doing pretty fucking good. Debt isn't always structured in a way you can or should pay off immediately. This isn't Baconators.

[BallzDeep]

I don't trust anyone who didn't like Pokemon. 1997-1999 were peak years to be a nerd. Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, EverQuest, AOL chat rooms, Digimon battles in the cafeteria -- middle school was pretty good.

Sports were always just as important. Between school, baseball, football, soccer, MTG games with friends and gaming...didn't really have time for Pokémon. Plus when Pokémon really started to get popular I was like in 5th-6th grade, my younger brother and all his friends were into 4 years younger. Kind of kills the vibe when you are getting starting to get into girls in middle school and getting your first porno mags. I assume our experiences were a lot different though lol.

[BallzDeep]

Dawg if they raised 700 million and only have 12 million in outstanding debt they're doing pretty fucking good. Debt isn't always structured in a way you can or should pay off immediately. This isn't Baconators.

It is when you have to recruit Bloomberg and Steyer to join the campaign to try to throw campaign finances at it to offset any on the line voters. They know they aren't going to win. Bloomberg is so anti republican he put the $100 million himself on mid terms and now wants to join the race just to try to pull any voters from Trump and get any excess finances they can from people that aren't any other democratic supporter but like Bloomberg. Bad part is he is probably only pulling inner party for votes for the most part and blowing his own money to help raise money for the DNC.

It also boils down to which branch the money goes to. The senate funding is terrible and they don't get 700 million in fundraising like that. You gotta start your campaign somewhere. Hard to run a campaign and raise money when you owe money and can't get publicity. If you notice recently the voice for ads on social media platforms are getting louder. Why? Because they suck and can be wrong but also because DNC doesn't have money. The RNC does.

[Wonkie]

It is when you have to recruit Bloomberg and Steyer to join the campaign to try to throw campaign finances at it to offset any on the line voters. They know they aren't going to win. Bloomberg is so anti republican he put the $100 million himself on mid terms and now wants to join the race just to try to pull any voters from Trump and get any excess finances they can from people that aren't any other democratic supporter but like Bloomberg. Bad part is he is probably only pulling inner party for votes for the most part and blowing his own money to help raise money for the DNC.

It also boils down to which branch the money goes to. The senate funding is terrible and they don't get 700 million in fundraising like that. You gotta start your campaign somewhere. Hard to run a campaign when you owe money and can't get publicity. If you notice recently the voice for ads on social media platforms are getting louder. Why? Because they suck and can be wrong but also because DNC doesn't have money. The RNC does.

Debt is useful and the blue team has more money than the red team, according to your post.

e: it's possible they decided the Senate is a lost cause lol

[feniin]

Sports were always just as important. Between school, baseball, football, soccer, MTG games with friends and gaming...didn't really have time for Pokémon. Plus when Pokémon really started to get popular I was like in 5th-6th grade, my younger brother and all his friends were into 4 years younger. Kind of kills the vibe when you are getting starting to get into girls in middle school and getting your first porno mags. I assume our experiences were a lot different though lol.

I doubt our lives/experiences were drastically different. I played Baseball (til 2001), played M:TG in class (because who pays attention in Spanish Class?), EverQuest in 1999 -> 2004, girlfriends essentially back to back until I married my wife. Wasn't single for longer than 2 months at any point from 1998 onward.

[feniin]

It is when you have to recruit Bloomberg and Steyer to join the campaign to try to throw campaign finances at it to offset any on the line voters. They know they aren't going to win. Bloomberg is so anti republican he put the $100 million himself on mid terms and now wants to join the race just to try to pull any voters from Trump and get any excess finances they can from people that aren't any other democratic supporter but like Bloomberg. Bad part is he is probably only pulling inner party for votes for the most part and blowing his own money to help raise money for the DNC.

It also boils down to which branch the money goes to. The senate funding is terrible and they don't get 700 million in fundraising like that. You gotta start your campaign somewhere. Hard to run a campaign and raise money when you owe money and can't get publicity. If you notice recently the voice for ads on social media platforms are getting louder. Why? Because they suck and can be wrong but also because DNC doesn't have money. The RNC does.I don't think anyone recruited Bloomberg - he's self righteous - basically a democratic, civil, version of Trump.

[BallzDeep]

Debt is useful and the blue team has more money than the red team, according to your post.

Debt isn't when you are managing campaign finances. That kills elections. Ask any of the people that are about to be cut from the upcoming debates. Blue side does because they aren't blowing money and overall raised less. If I was looking for someone to manage my money and run the countries finances, I would look to someone who needed to spend less and end with more return.

The argument that Obama blew the money doesn't pass the smell test because the money was raised with Hillary. Hillary raised $700 million while Trump , $400 million, did more with less. I know that was a common phrase here but it happened. The left cries for money out of politics but they are entrenched in money and terrible at utilizing it.

[feniin]

Debt isn't when you are managing campaign finances. That kills elections. Ask any of the people that are about to be cut from the upcoming debates. Blue side does because they aren't blowing money and overall raised less. If I was looking for someone to manage my money and run the countries finances, I would look to someone who needed to spend less and end with more return.

The argument that Obama blew the money doesn't pass the smell test because the money was raised with Hillary. Hillary raised $700 million while Trump , $400 million, did more with less. I know that was a common phrase here but it happened. The left cries for money out of politics but they are entrenched in money and terrible at utilizing it.

How much did Bernie raise and how did he raise it? That's the sort of campaign finances people want. Overall nobody gives a shit about Hillary. They just knew she would be better than Trump. Same with Biden, sadly. Hopefully he bows out but he'll likely be pushed through. And he'll still be better for this country than Trump.

[BallzDeep]

I'm not saying the Democrats aren't going to have money pouring but they are now 1. Terrible at managing finances 2. In an invalid argument about hating the rich and money in politics. They are devouring money. 3. Going to be at a severe disadvantage because they now have to consolidate finances for the primary, they are going against an incumbent and that incumbent's party has been managing finances better and stockpiling cash.

[BallzDeep]

How much did Bernie raise and how did he raise it? That's the sort of campaign finances people want. Overall nobody gives a shit about Hillary. They just knew she would be better than Trump. Same with Biden, sadly. Hopefully he bows out but he'll likely be pushed through. And he'll still be better for this country than Trump.

Bernie raised $228 million in 2016 before he bowed out. If he was in the primary, it surely would of been more than the RNC. He was beating Hillary on donations until it was clear she was going to be the frontrunner. He blew $223 million of it.

[BallzDeep]

No, your post is garbage. Stand in the corner and then go to bed.

Don't be mad I think Pokémon sucks and is for kids.

[BallzDeep]

It is! You're ignoring your own numbers in a bad attempt to build a narrative. Dum dum.

What numbers? There are so many articles about how the DNC is in bad shape. Do you think this is some lie? Your source.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/10/rnc-continues-to-dwarf-dnc-2020/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-13/democrats-2020-odds-against-trump-clouded-by-party-finances

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/21/trump-money-democrats-2020-election-050962

https://www.salon.com/2019/02/22/the-dnc-edges-closer-to-showing-how-it-spends-the-millions-raised-from-donors_partner/

[BallzDeep]

References for Trump winning with half the money:

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-clinton-campaign-fundraising-totals-232400

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/09/trump-and-clintons-final-campaign-spending-revealed

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/20/482853356/trumps-fundraising-lags-far-behind-clintons

[BallzDeep]

Ah I see I misunderstood your premise due to skimming.

Didn't click.

Hilarous. The more I talk to you, the more I realize you are very unusual. You probably take that as a compliment though, that's how unusual you are. Reading some of your original posts on the page are disturbing as you searching for trolling. That's a very unusual and weird perspective to have and to "like" to do. Might be envious here for some weirdos but not a good perspective to have outside your box. Also just shows you a kid stuck in a mans body somehow. Maybe there is now transageism, who knows?

[BallzDeep]

I apologize for the posting crime, Sheriff.

Hey, I'm just expressing my freedom of speech to let you know what I think of people that lurk the internet looking to get a rise out of someone. A very weird complex to sort out there. You realize you can still track the history of the posts but good luck wasting that time too. You almost wasted less than I did. And no, I don't care to complain to galach that your purpose here is to ninja edit posts and attempt to anger people because frankly I'll just tell you, it's a loser thing to do in the world. Out of all the things you could want to waste time on it, that's what you picked? I'm guessing you find your humor better than comedians too right. The reason I even take the time to respond back because it's honestly a shame that there are people that complain about humanity and then are weirdo pieces of shit on the internet trying to incite anger. Such a different perspective to have in the world and wonder what drives someone to that point where they aren't about progression but digression? Would that contribute to mental issues on MMO's because it has raised a toxic atmosphere. There are questions people would like to know and Wonkie, you need to be the test sample.

[Jimjam]

Jim I really don’t understand why you do this. You’re always trying to convince people you’re not that establishment left wing when you clearly are. You’re the only one around here that fails to embrace what they are on the political spectrum. You’re an establishment lefty. Stop the lobby. Embrace it. I resent having to play charades with you here.

I mean you ask me questions and set me homework, I answer to the best of my ability and as honestly as I can. I'd rather people didn't project labels on to me when they have very limited scope on who I am or what my opinions are. You're welcome to believe I'm left wing, I probably am by your metrics.

Please elaborate what you mean by establishment. I'm obviously not a fan of recent UK governments since New Labour came in to power, so obviously you're not refering to government here.

I believe in public healthcare as I believe society and economy benefits from being able to keep its workers in work. Is this what you mean by support establishment left?

The thing is the UK doesn't use expensive US patented drugs and had limited contracting until fairly recently so supporting the NHS doesn't mean i support big pharma globalists if that is what you mean?

So again, what do you mean by establishment left in the UK?

[Jimjam]

I don't trust anyone who didn't like Pokemon. 1997-1999 were peak years to be a nerd. Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z, EverQuest, AOL chat rooms, Digimon battles in the cafeteria -- middle school was pretty good.

Great time for warhammer too! Herohammer, Gorkamorka and Mordheim!

Great company, doesn't run on a debt based model. Owns it's industrial complex and equipment instead of renting.

Only rents is high street presence iirc.

[Teppler]

Jim every position I see you take is supporting the banker elites. I literally don’t see you take any other positions ever. You go into these long rants trying to justify your positions but they fall flat. I’ve caught you in many times spinning the truth. And guess which side you are always lobbying for. Not just me but that other uk poster in the brexit thread constantly corrects your establishment left spin as well. You’re a spin doctor Jim.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Great time for warhammer too! Herohammer, Gorkamorka and Mordheim!

Great company, doesn't run on a debt based model. Owns it's industrial complex and equipment instead of renting.

Only rents is high street presence iirc.

I goto Bugmans for beer and a burger on occasion with the kids :D Nice and close to town.

[Jimjam]

Jim every position I see you take is supporting the banker elites. I literally don’t see you take any other positions ever. You go into these long rants trying to justify your positions but they fall flat. I’ve caught you in many times spinning the truth. And guess which side you are always lobbying for. Not just me but that other uk poster in the brexit thread constantly corrects your establishment left spin as well. You’re a spin doctor Jim.

Lol I keep my wealth out of the banks and myself free of debt. I probably am functionally less pro banks than you are.

[Jimjam]

I goto Bugmans for beer and a burger on occasion with the kids :D Nice and close to town.

I do the occasional evening shift on the bar and play a lot in the gaming hall, we've probably met IRL :o.

New menu started this week btw, bugmans burger is now double patty.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Yes we have likely at least seen each other. Not played there for a while since having kids but i do take the kids to bugmans and to see the gaming hall/museum etc.

My issue (not to get too off topic) is i bought an Imperial Guard army and now its just too much hassle to play it. Need a much smaller army (but dont have the cash to buy one)

So im stuck with an army with over 100 men and tanks :D

Maybe i can just get those trays to move them enmasse and pretend its WW1 :)

[Jimjam]

Trays help. As an ork player i can msu a brigade with kans/coptas/chars, mount my troops in transport to avoid deploying/moving and use the stompa as a points sink. Sadly i don't think IG get open topped transports so their troops suffer (and they'd lose the auras/buffs they rely on).

Cast my vote, didn't need ID. Wife couldn't vote in general elections as not a citizen.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Went at 7:20am. Not a person around hehe.

Deal, gonna get some trays. My daughter is old enough to learn now anyway.

[Jimjam]

Trays could be awesome for IG. Could model them to look like dug ins or trenches!

I hate to kick the Brexit can further down the road by saying 'lets have a third leader negotiate a Brexit plan, then put the options up for a final decision', but as a Labour member I least distrust(!) Corbin to throw the people under the bus, and as a career eurosceptic I expect him to actually make a genuine go of it. People's Brexit if you will. Then let people decided if that is what they voted for 3 years ago to ensure his plans authenticity.

The election is also bigger than Brexit. There is a training/recruitment/retention emergency in the NHS. Getting workers back to health so they are profitable worker again is so important (both to the worker and more widely). I can't believe the Tories 50,000 promise after years of austerity so again I side with Labour.

Lastly we have a housing crisis that the free market has been unable to solve. We thought if government stopped building social housing the corporations would step in to do so profitably but they haven't.

As such the government is the only one with the power to do something, and Labour seem the only ones with the inclination to use that power.
I've worked with homelessness and vulnerably homed. Turning someone from a drain to society into a functioning profitable worker has a great pay off for them, society and the economy.

Beyond providing housing there needs to be better support in training basic life skills; arranging budgets, bills, other home economic isssues to help give a step up. Otherwise the formerly homeless stay vulnerable to homelessness again.

Brexit for the people ratified by the people.
Investment (not spending) into health workers.
Housing solutions that allow people to be happily part of society and the economy.

Conservatives campaign promises this but after 10 years of cuts I can't believe it. The Libdems want to undemocratically scrap Brexit. Any other party is too single issue to vote for. The only remaining option is Labour.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Agreed. People didnt understand 3 years ago what they were voting for largely imo.

Some did? Fine, they will vote the same no doubt. Those that want to change their mind can. Thats democracy.

Lets not forget Grenfield and Windrush. Disgsuting behaviour from Tories around those.

[Jimjam]

The sad thing, from my language - extracting profit from workers / benefiting the economy - I feel like a natural Conservative voter, and if BJ hadn't kicked Ken Clarke out the party maybe I would have voted that way, but the current lot in the party are simply not conservatives in the tradition sense. I mean besides Ken Clark and perhaps Rory Stewart who were there? Oligarch stooges and money launderers. Capitalism hasn't been so corrupt since the East India Trading company hanging field workers for famine.

Edit: so I guess I'm saying if i can't vote for small government I will at least vote for one that invests its spending instead of laundering public money to private companies.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

If John Major is saying they are corrupt. It's a pretty big indicator. He wasn't the best but he seemed to have principles.

[Jimjam]

The East India Trading Company is super interesting historically. Britain didn't conquer India militarily... A small number of private capitalists operating from an office in London did.

[Jimjam]

If John Major is saying they are corrupt. It's a pretty big indicator. He wasn't the best but he seemed to have principles.

Yea, people seemed to hate him at the time, but as a child I couldn't see why he was so bad. I'm gonna go off on one and suggest he was ousted by Rupert Murdoch who has had the keys to the country since he outed Major. That media and their mind control *adjusts tin foil hat*

[Jimjam]

The sad thing with the Murdoch rags is they always have an exiting/shocking headline that prompts a "that can't be possible/I knew it!" emotional response but when you read on you'll see the figures they use to argue their point is at beat only very loosely related to what they are claiming.

People retain emotional memories, emotional states greatly affect perception and cognition which alters how those figures are received, but details are difficult to remember so it's bot easy to deconstruct that emotional reaction / memory and it becomes ingrained and you feel like it was properly evidenced at the time.

The paychological sophistication used by the Murdoch rags is incredible.

[Teppler]

You have a ridiculous amount of rot in your government Jim. Nothing is really going to go right until you take care of that. Your politicians don’t serve your people. You vote for things but they aren’t delivered because they are inconvenient for your elites. Good luck voting to take care of this. When the elites don’t get the results they want they just find studies that nitpick “misinformation campaigns” and then push 2nd or 3rd votes until the elites get what they want. American democrats must be jealous of the authoritarian and disruptive measures uk elites can execute against the democratic will of its common people compared to the US.

[feniin]

You have a ridiculous amount of rot in your government Jim. Nothing is really going to go right until you take care of that. Your politicians don’t serve your people. You vote for things but they aren’t delivered because they are inconvenient for your elites. Good luck voting to take care of this. When the elites don’t get the results they want they just find studies that nitpick “misinformation campaigns” and then push 2nd or 3rd votes until the elites get what they want. American democrats must be jealous of the authoritarian and disruptive measures uk elites can execute against the democratic will of its common people compared to the US.
Did you read any of his posts? Or do you just drone on with the same "it's a shame the UK is such a dictatorship" nonsense without actually reading what he's said?

[Jimjam]

Thats right. We need to get rid of the fptp system.

Local elections greens and lib dems clean out. General elections you can generally only vote lab or con.

It's obvious people don't vote their first choice in the fptp. They choose the neccessary evil.

[Jimjam]

Did you read any of his posts? Or do you just drone on with the same "it's a shame the UK is such a dictatorship" nonsense without actually reading what he's said?

It's amazing how many posts Teppler make that essentially agrees with me, but he frames as some epiphany I may have not considered.

[Teppler]

It's amazing how many posts Teppler make that essentially agrees with me, but he frames as some epiphany I may have not considered.

You could think we are the same all day. You might even believe it. But I see the clear line about how we are vastly different and not even really close.

There’s something frustrating about you Jim. Like you have potential but you’re just cowardly or something. I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe that’s the results of not having real democracy for a long time. Not having guns to protect yourselves. Not having feeedom of speech. Maybe this is the effects. I’m not sure.

[Jimjam]

Personal attack, but I'm not thought police.

[Teppler]

Well forgive me because I don’t mean that to be an attack, I mean that as respectfully as I can.

[Jimjam]

Teppler you're once again walking around the issue of saying "be brave, shoot your leaders. Express yourself with violence.". Despite previously having claimed not to be running that subtext.

Nothing more democratic than shooting up on an election day is the message you seem to be sending. Clearly you believe I'm not expressing what I really believe on these forums as I'm not free to?

Don't forget Northern Ireland did use firearms to oppose tyranny. So actual proof that it happens in my country in recent history.

[feniin]

Teppler is not someone I would listen to for "how to take back my country"

[Teppler]

Jim there always has to be a subtle threat of violence. That’s how the social compact works between classes. And it has to be real too or it doesn’t serve its purpose.

I see you’re trying to push violence as a nasty thing, you being a proper Uk lad and all. This is where I would argue the cowardice comes in.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

There’s something frustrating about you Jim.

Thats probably his common sense bothering you. It's like an ice cream headache. Tongue to roof of mouth. It's fine.

[feniin]

Jim there always has to be a subtle threat of violence. That’s how the social compact works between classes. And it has to be real too or it doesn’t serve its purpose.

I see you’re trying to push violence as a nasty thing, you being a proper Uk lad and all. This is where I would argue the cowardice comes in.
Weren't you involved in Unite the Right in Charlottesville?

[feniin]

Thats probably his common sense bothering you. It's like an ice cream headache. Tongue to roof of mouth. It's fine.

:p

I love our Brits.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Jim there always has to be a subtle threat of violence. That’s how the social compact works between classes. And it has to be real too or it doesn’t serve its purpose.

I see you’re trying to push violence as a nasty thing, you being a proper Uk lad and all. This is where I would argue the cowardice comes in.

Theres nothing cowardly about not having guns or using violence.

Our police despite being desperately undermanned do a fine job (largely) without guns.

As do we. Ever BEEN to the UK? I doubt you would feel unsafe.

[Teppler]

Theres nothing cowardly about not having guns or using violence.

Our police despite being desperately undermanned do a fine job (largely) without guns.

As do we. Ever BEEN to the UK? I doubt you would feel unsafe.

Woooooosh. The point about guns flies over your heads. That’s not the purpose of guns I’m referring to.

[Jimjam]

Jim there always has to be a subtle threat of violence. That’s how the social compact works between classes. And it has to be real too or it doesn’t serve its purpose.

I see you’re trying to push violence as a nasty thing, you being a proper Uk lad and all. This is where I would argue the cowardice comes in.

How subtle do you want? We had riots in Manchester while I was living there. An (allegedly) dirty bomb attack there in my life time. We had car crash and knife attacks around parliament. An MP murdered.

People CELEBRATE Guy Fawkes.

Essentially a civil war within one of our countries.

This is an incredible amount of violence. Not a subtle threat.

War is overdue
the time has come for you
to shoot your leaders down
join forces underground

Lose control
increasing pace
warped and bewitched
time to erase
whatever they say
your people are torn
wild and bereft
assassin is born

Aim, shoot, kill your leaders

Oppose and disagree
destroy demonocracy

Lose control
increasing pace
warped and bewitched
time to erase
whatever they say
your people are torn
wild and bereft
assassin is born

Lyrics to a song on an album released by one of the countries largest rock bands.

[feniin]

Woooooosh. The point about guns flies over your heads. That’s not the purpose of guns I’m referring to.

"Bring whatever you need [to Charlottesville], that you feel you need for your self-defense," he told his audience in the lead-up to Unite the Right last August. "Do what you need to do for security of your own person, at this point…. We don't want [counterprotesters] to have the impression—that we are going to be showing up there, unarmed…that is not the case."

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Woooooosh. The point about guns flies over your heads. That’s not the purpose of guns I’m referring to.

Then be clear and people may not misunderstand you so much. I sometimes thing you deliberately omit pieces so people misunderstand just so you have something to complain about.

Also we dont WANT guns. We have done well without them so far and will continue to do so.

[Teppler]

Then be clear and people may not misunderstand you so much. I sometimes thing you deliberately omit pieces so people misunderstand just so you have something to complain about.

Also we dont WANT guns. We have done well without them so far and will continue to do so.

It’s because this discussion is between Jim and I. You come in here with this hot take that completely misses then point. That’s on you.

[Jimjam]

I see you’re trying to push violence as a nasty thing, you being a proper Uk lad and all. This is where I would argue the cowardice comes in.How on Earth did you come to that conclusion? I mean reasonably you might be able to conclude I value diplomacy and democracy above violence.

I endorsed Corbin for opening channels with IRA when everyone else abhored them because of violence...

Again you have some odd characture of me you argue against. Maybe thats what unerves you. That you discuss with a sock puppet Jj on your own hand instead of me?

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

If it was just between you and him there are private messages. This is a forum. I don't see the issue here.

I cant help but feel instead of typing that you could of just explained yourself.

Meh im out anyway, it was actually pleasant till you turned up. Lets see how it turns out tomorrow.

[Jimjam]

It’s because this discussion is between Jim and I. You come in here with this hot take that completely misses then point. That’s on you.

He's right. You're confusing people. Watch Hot Fuzz. You're under this illusion fire arms don't exist in the Uk.

[Jimjam]

If it was just between you and him there are private messages. This is a forum. I don't see the issue here.

I cant help but feel instead of typing that you could of just explained yourself.

Meh im out anyway, it was actually pleasant till you turned up. Lets see how it turns out tomorrow.

I'm happy to ave others chip in. More perspectives the better! Also helps break the illusion of talking to a wall.

[Teppler]

If it was just between you and him there are private messages. This is a forum. I don't see the issue here.

I cant help but feel instead of typing that you could of just explained yourself.

Meh im out anyway, it was actually pleasant till you turned up. Lets see how it turns out tomorrow.

It’s not just between Jim and I. But this discussion was largely Jim and I and you came in with a hot take that completely and utterly missed the point of argument.

I’m not saying you’re not allowed to have a hot take. But you come across like a fucking idiot when you have a hot take and it has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

GASP im a what? Good grief I DO DECLARE! :D

[Jimjam]

I mean Tepplar, we were posting without you until you came in with a hot take reiteration of what i mentioned about the rot inthe UK government...

[Jimjam]

GASP im a what? Good grief I DO DECLARE! :D

Too mature to throw out a "takes one to know one", are we? :D

[Teppler]

How on Earth did you come to that conclusion? I mean reasonably you might be able to conclude I value diplomacy and democracy above violence.

I endorsed Corbin for opening channels with IRA when everyone else abhored them because of violence...

Again you have some odd characture of me you argue against. Maybe thats what unerves you. That you discuss with a sock puppet Jj on your own hand instead of me?

Because you always are crying about “violence” and how we need to be more reasonable.... as the elites walk all over the common people.

There is no subtle threat of violence against your elites and they are well aware of that.

That’s why they are locking up your people for having their dogs do silly things. Or dangling brexit in front of your commoners after they already voted on it.

[feniin]

GASP im a what? Good grief I DO DECLARE! :D

god dammit hoppkins you fucking idiot, don't you know you shouldn't try to have a conversation on a forum?!

[Teppler]

I mean Tepplar, we were posting without you until you came in with a hot take reiteration of what i mentioned about the rot inthe UK government...

I guess my hot take was good and on point then.

[feniin]

Because you always are crying about “violence” and how we need to be more reasonable.... as the elites walk all over the common people.

There is no subtle threat of violence against your elites and they are well aware of that.

That’s why they are locking up your people for having their dogs do silly things. Or dangling brexit in front of your commoners after they already voted on it.

"Bring whatever you need [to Charlottesville], that you feel you need for your self-defense," he told his audience in the lead-up to Unite the Right last August. "Do what you need to do for security of your own person, at this point…. We don't want [counterprotesters] to have the impression—that we are going to be showing up there, unarmed…that is not the case."

[Teppler]

Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.


Feniin why do you hate the idea what our founding fathers desperately wanted for us as a necessary protection?

I understand great and careful reservation in taking these steps but they are necessary to preserve freedom against tyranny as Thomas Jefferson outlines here.

You can present your George Soros argument about why we don’t need guns but to be honest, I trust Thomas Jefferson more and not some globalist investment banker without loyalty to America.

[Jimjam]

I guess my hot take was good and on point then.

More of a derail, we were discussing voting, policy, media manipulation, political parties losing their way and then you turn it into a rant about threatening the establisment with violence.

Lets maybe come back to that in a few days after the election is done?

I'm excited to see which seats will be won, especially if BJ's sackings from the party changed things up, if parliament will be hung (calm down Teppler, we don't mean like that... Yet!) and who will form government.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

I think it will be hung again. Probably the more hung parliments the better. It's not good for the politicians to be in such a state and will encourage more change if anything.

[Teppler]

Funny how feniin doesn’t respect our founding fathers view. He overwhelmingly wants to bend over backwards for foreigners that steal from us. Doesn’t want us to have guns to protect ourselves. Against freedom of speech. Etc...

All his positions are against protections for the common American citizen. Test that with any of his viewpoints.

[feniin]

If Thomas Jefferson lived in a modern world I don't believe he would advocate for every citizen to possess weaponry. Washington might, since he was a soldier, but Jefferson was a thinker.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Funny how feniin doesn’t respect our founding fathers view. He overwhelmingly wants to bend over backwards for foreigners that steal from us. Doesn’t want us to have guns to protect ourselves. Against freedom of speech. Etc...

All his positions are against protections for the common American citizen. Test that with any of his viewpoints.

Wouldnt freedom of speech be the right to reject your founding fathers views? :confused:

[Teppler]

More of a derail, we were discussing voting, policy, media manipulation, political parties losing their way and then you turn it into a rant about threatening the establisment with violence.

Lets maybe come back to that in a few days after the election is done?

I'm excited to see which seats will be won, especially if BJ's sackings from the party changed things up, if parliament will be hung (calm down Teppler, we don't mean like that... Yet!) and who will form government.

No one is forcing you to abandon conversation with him and lock on me. There’s multiple conversations that happen around here simultaneously al the time. This ones not on me. If you’re going to have a hot take, make sense.

[Teppler]

Wouldnt freedom of speech be the right to reject your founding fathers views? :confused:

Sure. He has the freedom to reject the founding fathers. What actions do I have to give or take away from him giving an opinion? Just an opinion about the implications of his viewpoints.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Beats me. Just saying if you respect freedom of speech he can say whatever he wants. Right?

And yeah i agree with Fen. I don't think Thomas came up with that with AR-15's in mind.

Laws change and evolve.

For instance there are laws in UK which state all civilians must practice long bow 2 hours a week. Man im quite behind on that one <_<

[Teppler]

Beats me. Just saying if you respect freedom of speech he can say whatever he wants. Right?

And yeah i agree with Fen. I don't think Thomas came up with that with AR-15's in mind.

Laws change and evolve.

For instance there are laws in UK which state all civilians must practice long bow 2 hours a week. Man im quite behind on that one <_<

He is saying whatever he wants isn’t he? I’ll ask again, what consequences am I putting on him where he’s persecuted? Who is telling him he can’t rant against the founding fathers and what consequences are they putting on him? Let’s analyze this. I’m not acting like a liberal here and threatening to fire him or ban him for stating an opinion.

When it comes to defending yourself against a tyrannical nation, you obviously need effective weapons. Allowing the government to regulate you into ineffective weapons, but weapons none the less, is the essentially the same as disarming.

[feniin]

He is saying whatever he wants isn’t he? I’ll ask again, what consequences am I putting on him where he’s persecuted? Who is telling him he can’t rant against the father fathers and what consequences are they putting on him? Let’s analyze this. I’m not acting like a liberal here and threatening to fire him or ban him for stating an opinion.

When it comes to defend yourself against a tyrannical nation, you obviously need effective weapons. Allowing the government to regulate you into ineffective weapons, but weapons none the less, is the essentially the same as disarming.


"Bring whatever you need [to Charlottesville], that you feel you need for your self-defense," he told his audience in the lead-up to Unite the Right last August. "Do what you need to do for security of your own person, at this point…. We don't want [counterprotesters] to have the impression—that we are going to be showing up there, unarmed…that is not the case."
Apparently that includes running over Heather Heyer, too.

[Jimjam]

If the UK could evolve to deal with hung parliaments that would be great. Lib Dems made their presence felt, but at the same point drew lines in the wrong places. Dup took the magical money tree fruit but largely were placid outside a couple of key points (ConDup basically the opposite to ConDems). ConXit will be interesting in a terrifying way. LibLab might be a spending and regulatory nightmare. No one is forcing you to abandon conversation with him and lock on me. There’s multiple conversations that happen around here simultaneously al the time. This ones not on me. If you’re going to have a hot take, make sense.

I have other avenues I can pursue to discuss British politics with Brits. There is only one Teppler though!

Like I said I find your insights fascinating so I will always engage with them, even if I am being inconsiderate and derailing the current topic. Oops did it again!

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

LibLab ConXit ConDems

Very 1984 i like it :D

[Jimjam]

When it comes to defending yourself against a tyrannical nation, you obviously need effective weapons. Allowing the government to regulate you into ineffective weapons, but weapons none the less, is the essentially the same as disarming.

We'll break out our WWI rifles from the RAF cadet huts and attach bayonets our kitchen knives!

But on a serious note, you ignore the IRA is an example within the UK where they were able to strongarm the 'tyrannical' government into negotiations.

[Jimjam]

LibLab ConXit ConDems

Very 1984 i like it :D

Can you imagine where we would be now if we had straight Con government instead of the ConDems holding us back from our Tory utopia? :o

[Teppler]

Apparently that includes running over Heather Heyer, too.

You mean that fat 300 lb hog that tried to play resistance warrior for the elites and then had a heart attack without having any contact with anything?

[feniin]

You mean that fat 300 lb hog that tried to play resistance warrior for the elites and then had a heart attack without having any contact with anything?

Just quoting this so you can't edit it out.

[Teppler]

Cool now post the video of heather getting hit. I’ll wait.

[feniin]

Did David Duke and Richard Spencer have anything interesting to say behind the scenes? Curious what you guys talked about.

[Teppler]

This is Heather Heyer-

https://i.imgur.com/Q6B1gaM.jpg

One day white nationalists decided to have a rally and Heather and her antifa buddies decided to disrupt it. They came with weapons to act violently. This was all good with Heather. She decided she was physically fit enough to be around this type of atmosphere.

No car ever hit her. If I'm wrong, post the video. She had a heart attack when tensions got high but no one ever touched her. That unhealthy mess was just a walking heart attack which happened to be good optics for the left media that can easily get away with lying.

James Fields 100000000000000000000000000000 life sentences even though he was desperately acting in self defense to flee attackers.

Meanwhile Bike Lock antifa professor Eric Clanton bashed multiple people over the head with a bag of bike locks and he walks as a free man now.

[galach]

Locked down all political threads until I get a response from above if we want to allow these discussions to continue. I am getting private messages from multiple people every day regarding harassment, doxxing and other private information.

The staff shouldn't have to play baby sitter for those that have extreme right or extreme left views and can't have a rational political discussion. This is an elf quest forum, not reddit or 4chan.

Do not make new threads.