******Official politics thread ******

[Raavak]

Students love Trumps tax plan! When told it was Bernies. Stupid sheeple.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/students-support-trumps-tax-plan-when-told-it%E2%80%99s-bernie-sanders%E2%80%99/vi-AAtM0PN

[mickmoranis]

Students love Trumps tax plan! When told it was Bernies. Stupid sheeple.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/students-support-trumps-tax-plan-when-told-it%E2%80%99s-bernie-sanders%E2%80%99/vi-AAtM0PN

I can promise you they didnt read it when they were told it was bernies either.

[Pokesan]

anyway j im sorry that happened to you. i talk big but i dont want that to happen to any poster i like.

[Jarnauga]

I pray for ww3

both the cleanse we need and deserve.

also imagine how dope seoul 2 would be, think how cool tokyo was after ww2, it was the electric city, now its like the VHS city.

Seoul is basically blade runner now, only its got all this 1990s tech all over it.

Wipe that fucker off the map, and in 30 years, bladerunner.

Take one for the team world, make the world a better place in 30 years.

Also 2/3 less of modern libcucks (or gods children, republicans if that's what you hate), pop overflow problems averted.

The world needs this.

Pray with me.

Remember when Hillary was the one who was about to start WW3 and that is why we shouldn't vote for her because it is bad bad bad ..?

Pepperidge farm remembers :rolleyes:

[mickmoranis]

yeah before I realized how dumb the #resist libcuck army could actually be, I wanted us to march towards the future.

But in 7 months you changed my mind.

This town needs an enema.

[fash]

Hey, Texas goy. So you lost your home during Hurricane Harvey, and now you need assistance from the government's Hurricane Relief Fund?

You can have some shekels right after you sign this agreement that you don't boycott Israel.

https://i.imgur.com/JyhNA4D.png
http://www.ci.dickinson.tx.us/DocumentCenter/View/2016

https://www.rt.com/usa/407324-hurricane-harvey-boycott-israel/

Oh, and here is a list (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation) of 16 other US states that silently passed similar anti-boycott laws on behalf of Israel in the past two years.

Slow your roll, Shlomo. We wouldn't want you expelled from your 110th country.

[Ahldagor]

Hey, Texas goy. So you lost your home during Hurricane Harvey, and now you need assistance from the government's Hurricane Relief Fund?

You can have some shekels right after you sign this agreement that you don't boycott Israel.

https://i.imgur.com/JyhNA4D.png
http://www.ci.dickinson.tx.us/DocumentCenter/View/2016

https://www.rt.com/usa/407324-hurricane-harvey-boycott-israel/

Oh, and here is a list (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation) of 16 other US states that silently passed similar anti-boycott laws on behalf of Israel in the past two years.

Slow your roll, Shlomo. We wouldn't want you expelled from your 110th country.

Luckily my house was safe, but I'm not surprised by my state's government.

[Pokesan]

Hey, Texas goy. So you lost your home during Hurricane Harvey, and now you need assistance from the government's Hurricane Relief Fund?

You can have some shekels right after you sign this agreement that you don't boycott Israel.

https://i.imgur.com/JyhNA4D.png
http://www.ci.dickinson.tx.us/DocumentCenter/View/2016

https://www.rt.com/usa/407324-hurricane-harvey-boycott-israel/

Oh, and here is a list (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation) of 16 other US states that silently passed similar anti-boycott laws on behalf of Israel in the past two years.

Slow your roll, Shlomo. We wouldn't want you expelled from your 110th country.

mostly conservatard states in that list

bow down before the ones you serve

[Ahldagor]

mostly conservatard states in that list

bow down before the ones you serve

Head like a hole

[Patriam1066]

Texas has the most wind power of any state and a thriving tech sector

Fuck off plebs come and take it

[Ahldagor]

Texas has the most wind power of any state and a thriving tech sector

Fuck off plebs come and take it

You didn't boycott Israel with those statements, so you're allowed to continue doing business in Texas. Watch the Astros' game last night?

[Pokesan]

where the jfk files @?

[mickmoranis]

Texas has the most wind power of any state and a thriving tech sector

Fuck off plebs come and take it

There is a part of me that loves wind power in texas just because of the lore. Its like, they love getting money from power via land ownership so much there that they've totally embraced the next way of doing it.

Solar farms not far off in the great planes of Texas?

Moister vaperators next? Then, Mos Eisley?

[Patriam1066]

You didn't boycott Israel with those statements, so you're allowed to continue doing business in Texas. Watch the Astros' game last night?

I had 8th row first base line tickets for my wife and I but I gave them to my daughter and her husband

I'm kinda pissed but fuck yeah I watched the game. I'm grilling tons of kabob for this one tonight
#Shiner

[Ahldagor]

There is a part of me that loves wind power in texas just because of the lore. Its like, they love getting money from power via land ownership so much there that they've totally embraced the next way of doing it.

Solar farms not far off in the great planes of Texas?

Moister vaperators next? Then, Mos Eisley?

Solar's getting more into the state, but the legislature passed a bill forbidding adding solar panels to your house. Solar farms are absolutely viable, but the right company with enough grease needs to get the ear of the legislature in order for them to get a solid foothold. One of the few good things Rick Perry did was the wind power initiative.

[Ahldagor]

I had 8th row first base line tickets for my wife and I but I gave them to my daughter and her husband

I'm kinda pissed but fuck yeah I watched the game. I'm grilling tons of kabob for this one tonight
#Shiner

They had good time I'm guessing. Fuck yeah, grill it up. Go 'stros!

[mickmoranis]

liberals favorite dogooder carter, has some not so nice things to say about everything you libcucks think is important. http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/22/jimmy-carter-lets-loose-knocks-obama-and-hillary-says-russia-didnt-alter-election-praises-trump/

[Pokesan]

hall of mirrors

[Ahldagor]

You shoukd feel bad for linking ckick bait like Xaanka Mick. I thought you were better than that. That story is nothing but out of context quotes taken from a NYT article. For shame Mick, shame for feeding the liberal media like that.

[mickmoranis]

cnn is clickbait, anythign that is not cnn is not clickbait just because its not cnn, you cuck.

[Pokesan]

are they trying to make the niger ambush into another benghazigate?

[Patriam1066]

$1500 a ticket for decent seats (World Series) on Saturday. Do I go and take my wife, daughter, son-in-law, and the grandkids (2 of them)? Keep in mind I'm a republican and have liquid assets exceeding (((Harvey Weinstein's))) but damn even a once in a life time experience for my grandkids seems frivolous since they're 3 and 2 and won't remember this shit

[mickmoranis]

are they trying to make the niger ambush into another benghazigate?

idiots love false equivalence, so yes.

[Trungep99]

cnn is clickbait, anythign that is not cnn is not clickbait just because its not cnn, you cuck.

You sound like a gullible trump fanatic lol. I mean really , he says CNN is fake news and no one cares on his side how full of himself he is

[Ahldagor]

$1500 a ticket for decent seats (World Series) on Saturday. Do I go and take my wife, daughter, son-in-law, and the grandkids (2 of them)? Keep in mind I'm a republican and have liquid assets exceeding (((Harvey Weinstein's))) but damn even a once in a life time experience for my grandkids seems frivolous since they're 3 and 2 and won't remember this shit

The grandkids definately won't. Maybe get a sitter for 'em? I've heard it's 300 minimum for standing room only, lol. If you go then you should find some 2017 AL Champs New York Yankees shirts to wear.

[mickmoranis]

You sound like a gullible trump fanatic lol. I mean really , he says CNN is fake news and no one cares on his side how full of himself he is

you do realize the way you twist everything into some sort of self security blanket attack on trump only shows how afraid and sad you are right?

[Pokesan]

cnn bad! now blog is best friend

[mickmoranis]

jesus christ you people are in sane parrot parrot parrot no content just mindless drones.

[mickmoranis]

hows it feel to be the exact same as fox news junkies?

[mickmoranis]

I mean you know I jut been siting here thinking about it.

You lefties have posted ZERO posts that matter at all since the election.

100% of your posts have been some atempt at throwing shit onto any post that isnt

women deserve reperations
blacks deserve reperations
white men are evil
trump is going to get impeached
trump is bad!

the more this goes on the more I feel that due to your sides intense lack of any self worth or substance that something like ww3 is actually inevitable.

Your deep depression and lack of self worth shows. It's really sad that you have offered nothing to both the political arena nor the politics thread.

You people are like dying manatees just baking in the sun, barking the same sad worthless bullshit that they talk about on the VIEW

I just wish there was one thing you could offer this thread, or the world.

[Pokesan]

hitler and stalin were both white tho the math checks out

[Patriam1066]

"Dying like manatees baking in the sun"

Edit: whoops thank God I read that wrong I was praying for you there for a second IRYD

You still need jesus though

[mickmoranis]

also man titties

[mickmoranis]

Move over wage gap, the average man spends 30% more of his paycheck on his spouse than he does himself. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCr-zxGZZEo)

this privlage that women have is ignored while they demand more money using fake wage gaps that are not real as reasoning behind it.

But what about the house work?

Women work 160 hours a year on house work while men do 101. They leave work early to do this. But that is a choice, that results in them making less money on the job.

Sexism is a MYTH

[Ahldagor]

I mean you know I jut been siting here thinking about it.

You lefties have posted ZERO posts that matter at all since the election.

100% of your posts have been some atempt at throwing shit onto any post that isnt

women deserve reperations
blacks deserve reperations
white men are evil
trump is going to get impeached
trump is bad!

the more this goes on the more I feel that due to your sides intense lack of any self worth or substance that something like ww3 is actually inevitable.

Your deep depression and lack of self worth shows. It's really sad that you have offered nothing to both the political arena nor the politics thread.

You people are like dying manatees just baking in the sun, barking the same sad worthless bullshit that they talk about on the VIEW

I just wish there was one thing you could offer this thread, or the world.

Where on the doll, show us, did the president touch you?

[Rader]

Where on the doll, show us, did the president touch you?

I wouldn't touch that doll if I was you, you don't know where it's been.

[Ahldagor]

I wouldn't touch that doll if I was you, you don't know where it's been.

Nitrile gloves baby!

[mickmoranis]

Where on the doll, show us, did the president touch you?

lol I love the president and I welcome his touch.

Tell me how 9 months of me walking through an ocean of your tears over a "stolen election" makes you think that I am upset with the best president we've ever had?

[Pokesan]

anything to pwn the libs

[Jarnauga]

https://i.imgur.com/UCVEPDV.jpg

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/UCVEPDV.jpg

I know you think thats ironic but 9 nationalist countries all snubbing globalism does not suddenly mean globalism ya small minded libtard.

[Jarnauga]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/died-fighting-brothers-niger-ambush-survivor-fallen-us/story?id=50670787

(...) The senior intelligence official credited the French forces who responded with “saving our bacon.”

“The French saved our men. Yes, we lost four. But we would have lost everybody if it wasn't for the French,” the official told ABC News.

Within an hour of the calls – and two hours after the firefight started – French Mirage fighter jets came overhead, Dunford confirmed.

They flew low to scare off the ISIS-affiliated fighters. They did not drop bombs, however, because “they didn’t know exactly where our guys were situated,” the official said.

Shortly after, French Special Forces from Ouagadougou in neighboring Burkina Faso arrived on attack helicopters, each with one or two U.S. Green Berets. French helicopters evacuated the wounded to Niamey, Niger’s capital. (...)

sigh, can you guys let the adults work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QDnB6dMAb0)..? :cool:

[Patriam1066]

The best part about the French presence (colonial legacy) in Africa is when y'all let 1 million Rwandans get exterminated for a month and did nothing

Adults indeed. Vichy legacy is strong I guess

[Pokesan]

I know you think thats ironic but 9 nationalist countries all snubbing globalism does not suddenly mean globalism ya small minded libtard.

*cuts corporate tax by half*

that'll show them globalists

[AzzarTheGod]

*cuts corporate tax by half*

that'll show them globalists

*daps agenda that has nothing to do with their own personal situation*

[Jarnauga]

The best part about the French presence (colonial legacy) in Africa is when y'all let 1 million Rwandans get exterminated for a month and did nothing

Adults indeed. Vichy legacy is strong I guess

"But her emails"

[Jarnauga]

"But her emails"

Forgot to add:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_France_in_the_Rwandan_Genocide

The commission released its final report on December 15, 1998. It documented ambiguities and confusion in both the French and UN responses. Regarding Opération Turquoise, it regretted that the intervention took place too late, though it noted that this was better than the non-response from the UN and the opposition by the U.S. and U.K. governments to such a response.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Raavak]

Rwanda can suck me

[mickmoranis]

*cuts corporate tax by half*

that'll show them globalists

jobs increase by 1000%

god damn 1% not paying for my healthcare :mad:

[Pokesan]

jobs increase by 1000%

god damn 1% not paying for my healthcare :mad:

*whooshing noises*

[Patriam1066]

Forgot to add:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_France_in_the_Rwandan_Genocide



¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hey bud remember when America rolled back saddam in Kuwait

We had to tap out, you guys had every capability to save 1 million lives but didn't

Because you're French

[Arteker]

hey bud remember when America rolled back saddam in Kuwait

We had to tap out, you guys had every capability to save 1 million lives but didn't

Because you're French

Without the frenchies and the spaniards , you would be drinking tea and bowing to slurp the queen arsehole when she did drop a fart .

and if my memory is right, u forgot a little detail (not suprising due to how selective and stupid most americans are with history).
Frenchies were actualy in terms of kill ratio the most efective fihting force during the desert storm .

Compared to the usual friendly fire fuck ups so common with americans .

Disclaimer: french politics of the age where all a bunch of suckers and criminals wich should had been in jail for selling illegal armament and sheltering terrorists in the 80s , early 90s.And His army chief fucked it so bad during sbrenica affair he should had been droped into the firing line

[Patriam1066]

Without the frenchies and the spaniards , you would be drinking tea and bowing to slurp the queen arsehole when she did drop a fart .

and if my memory is right, u forgot a little detail (not suprising due to how selective and stupid most americans are with history).
Frenchies were actualy in terms of kill ratio the most efective fihting force during the desert storm .

Compared to the usual friendly fire fuck ups so common with americans .

Disclaimer: french politics of the age where all a bunch of suckers and criminals wich should had been in jail for selling illegal armament and sheltering terrorists in the 80s , early 90s.And His army chief fucked it so bad during sbrenica affair he should had been droped into the firing line

You are racist colonialists. Spain in South America and France in Africa

Americans are great people who invented baseball and chic fil a. Fuck off and please learn English

God bless!

[AzzarTheGod]

You are racist colonialists. Spain in South America and France in Africa

Americans are great people who invented baseball and chic fil a. Fuck off and please learn English

God bless!


Admiring the patriotism. This right here is a well-adjusted American, folks.

And he's not even from here. What does that say about you????

[Ahldagor]

Admiring the patriotism. This right here is a well-adjusted American, folks.

And he's not even from here. What does that say about you????

It says I've been watching the World Series. Go 'stros!

[JurisDictum]

Without the frenchies and the spaniards , you would be drinking tea and bowing to slurp the queen arsehole when she did drop a fart .

and if my memory is right, u forgot a little detail (not suprising due to how selective and stupid most americans are with history).
Frenchies were actualy in terms of kill ratio the most efective fihting force during the desert storm .

Compared to the usual friendly fire fuck ups so common with americans .

Disclaimer: french politics of the age where all a bunch of suckers and criminals wich should had been in jail for selling illegal armament and sheltering terrorists in the 80s , early 90s.And His army chief fucked it so bad during sbrenica affair he should had been droped into the firing line

French were killing machines throughout most of history. But we never really forgave them for ignoring Hitler. They just didn't think he'd do anything -- is my understanding. They then of course, almost immediately surrendered when they found out otherwise. So now you guys lose your badass status.

Despite that most Americans don't know shit about history, we all know that the French surrendered in WW2 and we all can make fun of them for being pussies now.

[mickmoranis]

cheese eat'n surrender monkeys

[Arteker]

French were killing machines throughout most of history. But we never really forgave them for ignoring Hitler. They just didn't think he'd do anything -- is my understanding. They then of course, almost immediately surrendered when they found out otherwise. So now you guys lose your badass status.

Despite that most Americans don't know shit about history, we all know that the French surrendered in WW2 and we all can make fun of them for being pussies now.
you are seriously ill informed a massive nut job , proving my point most americans know shit about history.

Frenchs were rolled over due to impractical old tactical warfare doctrine, Brittish troops did not fare very well aswell during the german invasion of france either .
most french military casualtys infact happened when french units refused to actualy surrender .

And next time u brag about americans and 2 ww, remember something little friend . no Red army no win.
Because the frenchs lost to the egrman army with some of the best military minds of the 20 century, usa is the only country to actualy lose a war again canada .

“The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.”
— Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 4 August 1812

2 years later the white house burn and washington was looted

[mickmoranis]

Frenchs were rolled over because we are a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys and our men are tantamount to what Americans would describe as women

[Spyder73]

you are seriously ill informed a massive nut job , proving my point most americans know shit about history.

Frenchs were rolled over due to impractical old tactical warfare doctrine, Brittish troops did not fare very well aswell during the german invasion of france either .
most french military casualtys infact happened when french units refused to actualy surrender .

And next time u brag about americans and 2 ww, remember something little friend . no Red army no win.
Because the frenchs lost to the egrman army with some of the best military minds of the 20 century, usa is the only country to actualy lose a war again canada .

“The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.”
— Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 4 August 1812

2 years later the white house burn and washington was looted

TLDR - French sissy men were afraid to fight the Nazi's and needed America to bail them out

[Patriam1066]

you are seriously ill informed a massive nut job , proving my point most americans know shit about history.

Frenchs were rolled over due to impractical old tactical warfare doctrine, Brittish troops did not fare very well aswell during the german invasion of france either .
most french military casualtys infact happened when french units refused to actualy surrender .

And next time u brag about americans and 2 ww, remember something little friend . no Red army no win.
Because the frenchs lost to the egrman army with some of the best military minds of the 20 century, usa is the only country to actualy lose a war again canada .

“The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.”
— Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 4 August 1812

2 years later the white house burn and washington was looted

No red army no win?

The Enola gay begs to differ

[mickmoranis]

"if it wasn't for oxygen, everyone would have suffocated, so thanks AIR for winning world war 2"

[Patriam1066]

French were killing machines throughout most of history. But we never really forgave them for ignoring Hitler. They just didn't think he'd do anything -- is my understanding. They then of course, almost immediately surrendered when they found out otherwise. So now you guys lose your badass status.

Despite that most Americans don't know shit about history, we all know that the French surrendered in WW2 and we all can make fun of them for being pussies now.

Good post!

The French catholic officer corps is fine but the Algerian Muslim GIs have to GB2A along with Jarnauga + the Congolese as well

[Pokesan]

charges filed

muh russia indeed

[Jarnauga]

You are racist colonialists. Spain in South America and France in Africa



can't wait for you to give back texas to mexicans :rolleyes:

[AzzarTheGod]

charges filed

muh russia indeed

*daps deep state*

[Raavak]

you are seriously ill informed a massive nut job , proving my point most americans know shit about history.

Frenchs were rolled over due to impractical old tactical warfare doctrine, Brittish troops did not fare very well aswell during the german invasion of france either .
most french military casualtys infact happened when french units refused to actualy surrender.Yeah, the French sat in their Maginot Line bunkers and trenches and were ready to win WWI again. But the German's had advanced to mechanized warfare.

The German's developed mechanized warfare. Gen Patton perfected it.

[AzzarTheGod]

*daps deep state*

[Patriam1066]

can't wait for you to give back texas to mexicans :rolleyes:

Mexican claims on Texas are based on Spanish imperialism. Apaches and such are native here. Mexicans are invaders, then as now

Hope this helps!

[Patriam1066]

Oh yeah and go Astros. Best baseball I've ever seen so far, Peacock was legit

[Ahldagor]

Oh yeah and go Astros. Best baseball I've ever seen so far, Peacock was legit

Yeah he was. Stepped up big for a 3 inning save (old school as fuck) after the Astros got through their bullpen again.

[Pokesan]

*daps deep state*

https://twitter.com/SovietSergey/status/924255557426597888

[AzzarTheGod]

https://twitter.com/SovietSergey/status/924255557426597888

Never thought I'd say this

But Monday can't come fast enough

[mickmoranis]

oh man this exciting, like when rachael maddow had trumps tax returns.

[AzzarTheGod]

oh man this exciting, like when rachael maddow had trumps tax returns.

Bigger

Much bigger

[mickmoranis]

i doubt it, big doesnt really happen. Hype and a bunch of distractions do though.

but w/e im just saying if I was to bet on it, I'd bet that it's gonna be a letdown.

[Pokesan]

oh man this exciting, like when rachael maddow had trumps tax returns.

i doubt it, big doesnt really happen. Hype and a bunch of distractions do though.

but w/e im just saying if I was to bet on it, I'd bet that it's gonna be a letdown.

denial

[mickmoranis]

how would my belife that nothign is going to happen have an affect on the outcome? Why would I need to denial?

ITs not up to the court of p99 forums to determine

like, do you think you're some heroic part of the fbi investigation?

[Pokesan]

how would my belife that nothign is going to happen have an affect on the outcome? Why would I need to denial?

ITs not up to the court of p99 forums to determine

like, do you think you're some heroic part of the fbi investigation?

anger

[mickmoranis]

hyperventilating liberal par for the course. c u in 2 days when it turns out trump organized the whole thing and nothing happens /shrug

[Lhancelot]

https://twitter.com/SovietSergey/status/924255557426597888

That was highly amusing. ^

[Lhancelot]

i doubt it, big doesnt really happen. Hype and a bunch of distractions do though.

but w/e im just saying if I was to bet on it, I'd bet that it's gonna be a letdown.

I despise Drumpf and I agree with everything Mick says here.

[AzzarTheGod]

yea trump organized a federal indictment of his son Donnie Jr and Israel lobbyist Jr. :o

[mickmoranis]

yea trump organized a federal indictment of his son Donnie Jr and Israel lobbyist Jr. :o

the man plays chess in a dimension we have yet to even discover what can I say.

[Pokesan]

yea trump organized a federal indictment of his son Donnie Jr and Israel lobbyist Jr. :o

run for the hills if its kush or jr shit will hit the fan

daywolf wru

[mickmoranis]

kardashians 2020

[mickmoranis]

CuckNN refuses to play this (https://pro.hsionlineorders.net/p/HSI170124A/PHSIT713/?h=true)

[mickmoranis]

NPR how russian propaganda spreads on social media: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/10/29/560461835/how-russian-propaganda-spreads-on-social-media?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2056

Spoiler: They make activist webpages and lure cucks into hating the police via BLM bullshit

tl;dr libcucks are a disease.

[Ahldagor]

NPR how russian propaganda spreads on social media: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/10/29/560461835/how-russian-propaganda-spreads-on-social-media?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2056

Spoiler: They make activist webpages and lure cucks into hating the police via BLM bullshit

tl;dr libcucks are a disease.

Cry harder. Taking bets for tomorrow?

[mickmoranis]

yea racheal maddow has big news

[Pokesan]

yea racheal maddow has big news

let's define terms.

give names you would consider "big". i have this feeling anything short of donnie himself being perp walked out of the oval somehow doesn't count to you.

:cool:

[mickmoranis]

let's define terms.

give names you would consider "big". i have this feeling anything short of donnie himself being perp walked out of the oval somehow doesn't count to you.

:cool:

none, there will be nothing to come out of this beyond what came out of hillary's email scandal

youre all a bunch of basic bitches

[AzzarTheGod]

criminal charges were filed in the Hillary email scandal :o

Y/N

[mickmoranis]

boy that iran contra really changed the way politics of today operate

[mickmoranis]

either way, whats more interesting is we live in a time where CNN and the FBI (who have fucked up basically everything theyve ever investigated mind you, waco anyone?) have more credibility than the president.

CNN: russia spys in trumps cabinet! (real)
president: clinton uranium scandal nets her 12 mil (fake)

how is this real life?

no mater where you stand on the political arena (unless neck deep in partisan identiy politics) you have to scratch your head at the logic of the current america.

the only way out of this mess is world war 3 and a very, very strict draft.

ill keep waiting for that breaking news.

Or, I guess Ill prey for a white house ruby ridge that results in civil war 2. That'd be cool too as a decent setup to ww3

[mickmoranis]

This right here sums up the entirety of the problem, the court of media is all that matters: https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/924738065612099584

believe it or not, mob rule has already taken over the united states, you know what that means? Its already too late, the war has started. I will take up arms with the president if he asks me to.

[AzzarTheGod]

no mater where you stand on the political arena (unless neck deep in partisan identiy politics) you have to scratch your head at the logic of the current america.


Establishment has always been untouchable. Clinton, H.W. George Jr. etc.

Reagan was a complete blowjob figurehead for Wallstreet. Conservatives call American greed "Reagonomics". How brainwashed and rose-tinted are Republicans when any historian can see the Reagan era had more to do with protecting Wallstreet's profit margins than the American electorate.

While I'm laughing with pokes at the Fat King's predicament and his ineptitude in politics (has 0 chance of passing any legislation, tried to kick Bannon out to increase his chances, didn't work) I can appreciate the American Exceptionalism and head-up-ass syndrome thats been around since the Baby boomers fucked everything up.

[Pokesan]

either way, whats more interesting is we live in a time where CNN and the FBI (who have fucked up basically everything theyve ever investigated mind you, waco anyone?) have more credibility than the president.

CNN: russia spys in trumps cabinet! (real)
president: clinton uranium scandal nets her 12 mil (fake)

how is this real life?

no mater where you stand on the political arena (unless neck deep in partisan identiy politics) you have to scratch your head at the logic of the current america.

the only way out of this mess is world war 3 and a very, very strict draft.

ill keep waiting for that breaking news.

Or, I guess Ill prey for a white house ruby ridge that results in civil war 2. That'd be cool too as a decent setup to ww3

hi. the uranium thing was about a canadian export permit, for processing. the material would then return to the united states.

the problem is you are quite stupid!

[mickmoranis]

hi. the uranium thing was about a canadian export permit, for processing. the material would then return to the united states.

the problem is you are quite stupid!

This is what I think is dumb, the idea that you could be outraged by one media scandal but completely defend the other is really more scary than anything else.

let me tell you this, you do not understand the uranium nonsense, how dare you try to tell me how it is. You know nothing, you're an internet nerd what the fuck do you know about uranium lol gimi a break. Quit parroting the VIEW

[Pokesan]

This is what I think is dumb, the idea that you could be outraged by one media scandal but completely defend the other is really more scary than anything else.

let me tell you this, you do not understand the uranium nonsense, how dare you try to tell me how it is. You know nothing, you're an internet nerd what the fuck do you know about uranium lol gimi a break. Quit parroting the VIEW

im sorry you dont believe in reality but i do understand the appeal

[mickmoranis]

http://theblacksphere.net/2017/10/hillary-clinton-played-media-fools/

[icedwards]

As usual, the face of Hillary Clinton, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The feeble mickmoranis gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Clinton was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of America, almost on a level with the President himself, and then had engaged in liberal activities, had been condemned to locking up, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The programmes of the Twenty-Four Hours Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Clinton was not the principal figure. She was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of America's greatness. All subsequent crimes against America, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of her teaching. Somewhere or other she was still alive and hatching her conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of her foreign paymasters, perhaps even--so it was occasionally rumoured--in some hiding-place in America itself.

[Lhancelot]

I can appreciate the American Exceptionalism and head-up-ass syndrome thats been around since the Baby boomers fucked everything up.

I don't know if they actually fucked it up, but things sure went to shit around this period of time. Not sure if any other population generation would have done anything differently. They just happened to be the people spawned during this period of time. The wheels of the machine were already taking over the USA it just came full circle when the babyboomers were in their prime.

[Pokesan]

http://theblacksphere.net/2017/10/hillary-clinton-played-media-fools/

sick blog but time is running out.

come tomorrow, you will carry this shame your whole life.

bend the knee and save yourself.
bend the knee and find forgiveness.

[Ahldagor]

As usual, the face of Hillary Clinton, the Enemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The feeble mickmoranis gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Clinton was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of America, almost on a level with the President himself, and then had engaged in liberal activities, had been condemned to locking up, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The programmes of the Twenty-Four Hours Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Clinton was not the principal figure. She was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of America's greatness. All subsequent crimes against America, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of her teaching. Somewhere or other she was still alive and hatching her conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of her foreign paymasters, perhaps even--so it was occasionally rumoured--in some hiding-place in America itself.

Anyone else read that in Eric Cartman's voice?

Azzar, you cracking the obvious code from Mick it reads like, while Pokes embraces his inner Van Halen and dances the night away.

[Pokesan]

conspiracy against the united states

this is a tasty nothing burger

[icedwards]

https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy Against the United States)

From in or about 2006 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III, together with others, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six and Ten through Twelve.

[mickmoranis]

hah it is a nobody and nothing to do with trump and wont ever lead to anyone that matters... Just Like I said, it turned out to be exactly the same as Rachael maddow, a bunch of we already knew all this hooey:

"The indictment of Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates makes no mention of Mr. Trump or election meddling. Instead, it describes in granular detail Mr. Manafort’s lobbying work in Ukraine and what prosecutors said was a scheme to hide that money from tax collectors and the public. The authorities said Mr. Manafort laundered more than $18 million.

Mr. Manafort has expected charges since this summer when F.B.I. agents raided his home and prosecutors warned him that they planned to indict him."

[Raavak]

Someone on the left still legitimately thinks Trump was in collusion after all that's come to light? The Fusion GPS story has blown all that to smithereens. Time to get over it.

[Pokesan]

Someone on the left still legitimately thinks Trump was in collusion after all that's come to light? The Fusion GPS story has blown all that to smithereens. Time to get over it.

read the papadopolous documents and attempt this argument.

[mickmoranis]

read the papadopolous documents and attempt this argument.

george papaPATSYdopolus is the correct pronunciation.

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/DGQhuFM.png

[Nibblewitz]

Conspiracy against the United States sounds so much better than collusion with Russia.

[mickmoranis]

Conspiracy against the United States sounds so much better than collusion with Russia.

You can call it what you want but the arrests are gonna end with

1. The guy who knew it was coming for 6 months for totally not related to trump crimes.
2. A 29 year old aid who volunteered capture and wont name names (watch)

Lol justice served!! The left will cry, until 2020 when they have something way more hilarious to cry about.

[Tiax]

You can call it what you want but the arrests are gonna end with

1. The guy who knew it was coming for 6 months for totally not related to trump crimes.
2. A 29 year old aid who volunteered capture and wont name names (watch)

Lol justice served!! The left will cry, until 2020 when they have something way more hilarious to cry about.

I'm interested how you have come to this conclusion when the Papadopoulos statement is clear that the Russians told him they had dirt on Clinton, and he told "high level campaign officials" about it, and offered to make 'off the record' trips as a representative of the campaign.

You should read the whole thing, its pretty funny: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf

[mickmoranis]

Ive come to this conclusion because its how crime & punishment works.

When a low status guy comes out of nowhere and volunteers his arrest, it means he has made a deal with his bosses and will take a year in prison or a 500k fine and then live a very rich life afterwords while pleading the 5th when it comes to naming any names at all.

I mean hey if I thought there was unique corruption here that was damaging to Americans, would I want more? Sure, but am I going to foolishly act like what you're getting right now is anything to be proud of? Hell no.

Its like the most basic hollywood mobster movie script, so clearly a dog and pony show to appease the mob.

If you're on the left & this gives you a sense of accomplishment or makes you think that it's going to change the outcome of the election in 2020 then Im sorry to say you have been bamboozled.

So far, this has made no black marks for trump and or anyone that matters to our cause.

[Pokesan]

Ive come to this conclusion because its how crime & punishment works.

When a low status guy comes out of nowhere and volunteers his arrest, it means he has made a deal with his bosses and will take a year in prison or a 500k fine and then live a very rich life afterwords while pleading the 5th when it comes to naming any names at all.

I mean hey if I thought there was unique corruption here that was damaging to Americans, would I want more? Sure, but am I going to foolishly act like what you're getting right now is anything to be proud of? Hell no.

Its like the most basic hollywood mobster movie script, so clearly a dog and pony show to appease the mob.

If you're on the left & this gives you a sense of accomplishment or makes you think that it's going to change the outcome of the election in 2020 then Im sorry to say you have been bamboozled.

So far, this has made no black marks for trump and or anyone that matters to our cause.

papadapoulos was arrested in july and has been cooperating with feds since. his guilty plea was unsealed today as mueller initiating a game of "who can squeal the loudest?" to the rest of them.

[AzzarTheGod]

https://i.imgur.com/DGQhuFM.png

lol'd

[mickmoranis]

papadapoulos was arrested in july and has been cooperating with feds since. his guilty plea was unsealed today as mueller initiating a game of "who can squeal the loudest?" to the rest of them.

you act like some police officer in front of a news camera talking about the bust you just made where you brought in 3 gangbangers and a car load of drugs.

he aint nothin

[Patriam1066]

I'm going to laugh when trump pardon's himself, initiating a constitutional crisis, via twitter

Damn I should've voted Clinton this shit is getting embarrassing

[Pokesan]

I'm going to laugh when trump pardon's himself, initiating a constitutional crisis, via twitter

Damn I should've voted Clinton this shit is getting embarrassing

why do that when you could have voted for stein, enabling you to act like a smug jackass to both sides?

that's just math, man

[zodium]

Ive come to this conclusion because its how crime & punishment works.

lol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller#Law_career)

[Pokesan]

@mick

https://i.imgur.com/NoLAbKn.png

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

[Raavak]

Scuttlebutt is that Manafort was arrested because he has the goods on Tony Podesta.

Podesta quit the Podesta Group yesterday, which he helped found with his brother John in 1988. Dunno if he got a summons or is expected an indictment or what, but somethings going on.

[icedwards]

"Something's going on with Podesta quitting" -Trump supporters

"NOTHING'S GOING ON WITH THE INDICTMENTS!!" -also Trump supporters

[mickmoranis]

"we have no idea whats going on but its going to put trump in jail, whatever it is" -libcucks

[Pokesan]

"we have no idea whats going on but its going to put trump in jail, whatever it is" -libcucks

maybe there's dirt on his money idk but right now the game is pardon baiting or firing mueller. he's toast if he does either.

my good chum

[AzzarTheGod]

"Something's going on with Podesta quitting" -Trump supporters

"NOTHING'S GOING ON WITH THE INDICTMENTS!!" -also Trump supporters


Its obvious the Manafort indictment is based on business dealings 20 years ago.

Its a fraud to get Manafort to cooperate against either Trump or Podesta. They want cooperation.

He's fucking pissed he is on house arrest. The guy is worth several hundred million dollars. He looked depressed as fuck. He is going to sing if it buys him his freedom. Sources also said hes depressed knowing he can't fight these kind of charges. Money Laundering in this instance is being misapplied. The spirit of money laundering was to criminalize undeclared money/profit/capital gains. In this case Manafort was just spending money from his Off-shore international business account and writing profits under his United States companies.

Its a technicality. Its bullshit.

Money laundering was supposed to be about taking ILLEGAL money and trying to make it legitimate. In this instance, the money WAS LEGITIMATE as long as it was properly declared. Manafort didn't want to declare it, and so here we are.

NOBODY WOULD EVER BE CHARGED FOR THIS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

Its bullshit.

But a wheeler-and-dealer doesn't just sit on house arrest. He's going to cooperate.

[mickmoranis]

Its obvious the Manafort indictment is based on business dealings 20 years ago.

I feel like I should receive an award for calling that it was an event tantamount to rachael maddow breaking trumps tax returns.

[AzzarTheGod]

I feel like I should receive an award for calling that it was an event tantamount to rachael maddow breaking trumps tax returns.

lmao thats right

*daps hammer*

I had to wait to get the 411 from Roger Stone first to be fair.

[icedwards]

Its obvious the Manafort indictment is based on business dealings 20 years ago.

https://i.imgur.com/YMC6hSf.gif

COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy Against the United States)

From in or about 2006 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III, together with others, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six and Ten through Twelve.

[zodium]

Antifa supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners on Nov 4th, says Antifa leader (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/antifa-leader-november-4th-millions-antifa-supersoldiers-will-behead-white-parents/)

[AzzarTheGod]

https://i.imgur.com/YMC6hSf.gif

COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy Against the United States)

From in or about 2006 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III, together with others, knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the United States, to wit, the violations of law charged in Counts Three through Six and Ten through Twelve.


REDUNDANT. TRUMPED UP. (ZINGGGGGG)

my understanding is the conspiracy charge is directly related to the laundering charge. Its smoke.

[Raavak]

"Something's going on with Podesta quitting" -Trump supporters

"NOTHING'S GOING ON WITH THE INDICTMENTS!!" -also Trump supporters

Somethings going on. Possibly just Mueller CYA.

A good question has been raised. When Mueller was the FBI director (years before the presidential campaign) he investigated Manifort. There is a statute of limitations issue on anything from back then.

[zodium]

The Five Stages of Political Grief
There is no Scandal!
Scandal is all trumped up Other Tribe lies!
My Guy engages in Scandal no more than Other Guy does, so it cancels out, right?
I guess Perfidious Enemy is just too powerful and entrenched.
I thought My Guy was terrible first.

[icedwards]

REDUNDANT. TRUMPED UP. (ZINGGGGGG)

my understanding is the conspiracy charge is directly related to the laundering charge. Its smoke.

I realize critical thinking hasn't been taught in American schools for years now, but let me walk you through this one step-by-step:

Redundant
exceeding what is necessary or normal

Trumped-up
fraudulently concocted

As per the memorandum released yesterday:

As explained below and at the initial appearance in this matter on October 30, 2017, the defendants pose a risk of flight based on the serious nature of the charges, their history of deceptive and misleading conduct, the potentially significant sentences the defendants face, the strong evidence of guilt, their significant financial resources, and their foreign connections.

The conspiracy charge may be related to the laundering charge (large portions of the memorandum has been redacted), we're well past the point of "it's only smoke".

*daps fifth grade reading comprehension lecture*

[Raavak]

Something that makes me chuckle is Manifort's ties were with the Ukraine, which at the time was a Russian puppet, but in 2014 had a radical change (someone posted a live feed of the riots in Kiev on this board). Since then Russia and the Ukraine have been enemies and are sort of at war. Ties to the Ukraine last year would have nothing to do with Russia & Putin.

But again, Manifort's crimes, Tony Podesta's crimes, etc are just Washington DC corruption which knows no bounds, political or otherwise.

[icedwards]

A good question has been raised. When Mueller was the FBI director (years before the presidential campaign) he investigated Manifort. There is a statute of limitations issue on anything from back then.

Something that makes me chuckle is Manifort's ties were with the Ukraine, which at the time was a Russian puppet, but in 2014 had a radical change (someone posted a live feed of the riots in Kiev on this board). Since then Russia and the Ukraine have been enemies and are sort of at war. Ties to the Ukraine last year would have nothing to do with Russia & Putin.

https://i.imgur.com/ZPJrgpG.gif

Point 1: Lol source?

Point 2: Manafort's money laundering ties were and still are tied to Russian oligarchs - not Ukraine.

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/ZPJrgpG.gif

Point 1: Lol source?

Point 2: Manafort's money laundering ties were and still are tied to Russian oligarchs - not Ukraine.

getting mad on p99 forums wont increase the odds that trump is impeached.

which are 0 fyi

Also he will win in 2020

[mickmoranis]

Antifa supersoldiers will behead all white parents and small business owners on Nov 4th, says Antifa leader (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/antifa-leader-november-4th-millions-antifa-supersoldiers-will-behead-white-parents/)

this is hilarious for a lot of reasons

1. the left realizing that saying things is harmful, unless the joke is made by lefties. Then you're just an idiot for not getting it (while being perpetually stumped by trumps wordsmithery that won him the election)

2. the left circle jerking while encouraging more people who voted for trump, to continue to vote for trump, especially against a democratic socialist in 2020 because they dont 'get the joke' and think the left actually are becoming communists

3. the left being the usual angsty teenage post modern coddled child they are, think that acting like a bunch of dipshits is the way to get things done.

I love watching antifa become more and more tumblrina as every day goes by.

[Pokesan]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/osama-bin-laden-anime-gamer

Today, the CIA publically released nearly a half-million files recovered from Bin Laden’s hard drive. That includes Al-Qaeda correspondence, video files, propaganda, draft materials, and Bin Laden’s personal journal. It also includes loads of copyrighted materials, including films ranging from Antz to Resident Evil, loads of videogames, and a substantial collection of anime. Even Final Fantasy VII makes an appearence, with evidence of sequel movie Advent Children having been watched.

It seems Bin Laden - or whoever else used his computer - was a connoisseur of emulated DS titles, judging by the ".sav" entries populating his file index. Those naturally include standbys like New Super Mario Bros and Animal Crossing: Wild World. His tastes also ran alongside the otaku, with plenty of Naruto, Bleach, and Dragon Ball games in the list, on top of the complete Devil May Cry anime series

[AzzarTheGod]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/osama-bin-laden-anime-gamer

doubtful. they refused FOIA from the Associated Press on the Bin Laden killing. Along with NBC CBS and several other major networks/newspapers.

Several times.

[mickmoranis]

man, gotta love libcucks.

Ukraine willing to 'provide the information we have' on Trump campaign aide, says Ukraine PM (kraine willing to 'provide the information we have' on Trump campaign aide, says Ukraine PM)

"Trump colluded with Russia! Doesn't he know all they want to do is destabilize our democracy with fake information!"

"oh hey, lets collude with russia to get that info on trump that we can totally trust, cus they dont want to destabilize our democracy or anything."

https://i.imgur.com/TCqkWJk.png

[Patriam1066]

Is Trudeau castro's son? I think that's a conspiracy theory that has some decent % chance of being true. Fucker looks just like him

[mickmoranis]

Is Trudeau castro's son? I think that's a conspiracy theory that has some decent % chance of being true. Fucker looks just like him

theyre definitely both green under that skin

[icedwards]

getting mad on p99 forums wont increase the odds that trump is impeached.

which are 0 fyi

Also he will win in 2020

I wouldn't expect Trump supporters to come up with anything beyod "u mad bro"

Getting mad on p99 forums won't decrease the odds that Mueller's investigation proceeds.

https://i.imgur.com/B3zGaGr_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[JurisDictum]

So Kevin Spacey is gay... He came out when some guy came forward to accuse him of getting on top of him in a bed when he was 14. Spacey was 26 at the time. The aggressive advances were completely unwanted and the kid ran. Spacey claims he was "too drunk to remember" but is all torn up and shit about it because somehow he knows it's true.

Stand back Mel Gibson. The Spacey defense is the new standard.

Spacey points out all this happened 30 years ago. And only this one thing that didn't go all the way to rape (statutory or otherwise) anyway...except then another guy came forward claiming that when he was about the same age Spacey came on to him...

http://people.com/tv/kevin-spacey-enters-treatment/

[NachtMystium]

So Kevin Spacey is gay... He came out when some guy came forward to accuse him of getting on top of him in a bed when he was 14. Spacey was 26 at the time. The aggressive advances were completely unwanted and the kid ran. Spacey claims he was "too drunk to remember" but is all torn up and shit about it because somehow he knows it's true.

Stand back Mel Gibson. The Spacey defense is the new standard.

Spacey points out all this happened 30 years ago. And only this one thing that didn't go all the way to rape (statutory or otherwise) anyway...except then another guy came forward claiming that when he was about the same age Spacey came on to him...

http://people.com/tv/kevin-spacey-enters-treatment/

Bro do you live under a rock or somethin

[Raavak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtjdbHG96k

[mickmoranis]

Im just happy women arent getting the attention they dont deserve for a few minuets.

[JurisDictum]

9051

Anthony Rapp at 15 (I think)

[Raavak]

Adventures in Babysitting.

All the while I was drooling over Elisabeth Shue, Spacey was molesting that kid?

[Pokesan]

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774)

Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie.

So I followed the money. My predecessor, Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, had not been the most active chair in fundraising at a time when President Barack Obama’s neglect had left the party in significant debt. As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.

Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn’t been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn’t have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was. How much control Brooklyn had and for how long was still something I had been trying to uncover for the last few weeks.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

***

The Saturday morning after the convention in July, I called Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillary’s campaign. He wasted no words. He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt.

“What?” I screamed. “I am an officer of the party and they’ve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.”

That wasn’t true, he said. Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign—and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

If I didn’t know about this, I assumed that none of the other officers knew about it, either. That was just Debbie’s way. In my experience she didn’t come to the officers of the DNC for advice and counsel. She seemed to make decisions on her own and let us know at the last minute what she had decided, as she had done when she told us about the hacking only minutes before the Washington Post broke the news.

On the phone Gary told me the DNC had needed a $2 million loan, which the campaign had arranged.

“No! That can’t be true!” I said. “The party cannot take out a loan without the unanimous agreement of all of the officers.”

“Gary, how did they do this without me knowing?” I asked. “I don’t know how Debbie relates to the officers,” Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillary’s campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearinghouse. Under FEC law, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a party’s national committee.

Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn.

“Wait,” I said. “That victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. You’re telling me that Hillary has been controlling it since before she got the nomination?”

Gary said the campaign had to do it or the party would collapse.

“That was the deal that Robby struck with Debbie,” he explained, referring to campaign manager Robby Mook. “It was to sustain the DNC. We sent the party nearly $20 million from September until the convention, and more to prepare for the election.”

“What’s the burn rate, Gary?” I asked. “How much money do we need every month to fund the party?”

The burn rate was $3.5 million to $4 million a month, he said.

I gasped. I had a pretty good sense of the DNC’s operations after having served as interim chair five years earlier. Back then the monthly expenses were half that. What had happened? The party chair usually shrinks the staff between presidential election campaigns, but Debbie had chosen not to do that. She had stuck lots of consultants on the DNC payroll, and Obama’s consultants were being financed by the DNC, too.

When we hung up, I was livid. Not at Gary, but at this mess I had inherited. I knew that Debbie had outsourced a lot of the management of the party and had not been the greatest at fundraising. I would not be that kind of chair, even if I was only an interim chair. Did they think I would just be a surrogate for them, get on the road and rouse up the crowds? I was going to manage this party the best I could and try to make it better, even if Brooklyn did not like this. It would be weeks before I would fully understand the financial shenanigans that were keeping the party on life support.

***

Right around the time of the convention, the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I wanted to believe Hillary, who made campaign finance reform part of her platform, but I had made this pledge to Bernie and did not want to disappoint him. I kept asking the party lawyers and the DNC staff to show me the agreements that the party had made for sharing the money they raised, but there was a lot of shuffling of feet and looking the other way.

When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

I had been wondering why it was that I couldn’t write a press release without passing it by Brooklyn. Well, here was the answer.

When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Al Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.

***

I had to keep my promise to Bernie. I was in agony as I dialed him. Keeping this secret was against everything that I stood for, all that I valued as a woman and as a public servant.

“Hello, senator. I’ve completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,” I said. “But I will not kill the patient.”

I discussed the fundraising agreement that each of the candidates had signed. Bernie was familiar with it, but he and his staff ignored it. They had their own way of raising money through small donations. I described how Hillary’s campaign had taken it another step.

I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election.

Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

I urged Bernie to work as hard as he could to bring his supporters into the fold with Hillary, and to campaign with all the heart and hope he could muster. He might find some of her positions too centrist, and her coziness with the financial elites distasteful, but he knew and I knew that the alternative was a person who would put the very future of the country in peril. I knew he heard me. I knew he agreed with me, but I never in my life had felt so tiny and powerless as I did making that call.

When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to.

Tl;dr - bernie got robbed, dems are bankrupt and their spirit is broken

[mickmoranis]

Tl;dr - bernie got robbed, dems are bankrupt and their spirit is broken

oh man the heavyset women of the democratic party are gonna be soooo pissed at politico now

[JurisDictum]

I actually thought about bringing up the Donna Brazile article on Clinton's corruption instead of the Spacey thing.

Everyone already knows the election was stole from Bernie. Brazile is just the first in what will be many opportunists trying to get on the right side of the Democratic party before 2020. But it isn't going to work -- it never does.

What is newsworthy about this is the MSM is finally shying away from the offical line about how Clinton didn't technically do anything wrong and didn't steal the election from Bernie. That only "radicals" that aren't even really Democrats believe that.

The nice upper middle class Clinton supporters will follow along once the T.V. and their internet feed tells them we hate Clinton now.

[JurisDictum]

It does not appear to me that people are aware how tentative the current leadership of the DNC really is. Tom Perez is not popular. People like him are not popular.

All its going to take is a presidential election (the only time the public pays attention to anything political) to reveal how the DNC is just trying to shove another corporate-sponsored dick down our throat. They will basically be ignored. And if they try any crap with superdelegates it won't fly.

After the election or perhaps before -- they are going to be toast. Unless you think another corporate Democrat can beat Trump. Obama (before anyone knew how he would lead) was pretty much the best looking kind of corporate Democrat you can have -- and they are fresh out of Obamas. It's either going to be a socialist or Trump.

[mickmoranis]

Everyone already knows the election was stole from Bernie.

the majority of registered democrats do not.

[JurisDictum]

the majority of registered democrats do not.

They will soon enough. This first article just hit. There is going to be more.

Everyone who can think for themselves already knew it though.

It's something like only 1/4 people on Facebook showed any original thinking or creativity at all. But those 1/4 basically start all the new trends. I'd like to think we all have those areas in life where we are in that 1/4 that actually shapes opinion. Can't say that seems to be the case. It seems some people are quite content living an unexamined life.

[Pokesan]

posted it bc that's the lady what gave hillary the debate questions

this article does burn every bridge she ever had with the clinton wing, but hey, her book isn't gonna sell itself

[mickmoranis]

They will soon enough. This first article just hit. There is going to be more.

go to twitter, 99% of the comments are people saying this is a distraction.

As if bernie supporters for some insane reason would want to distract people from the trump russian situation?

democrats. fuckn nutjobs the whole lot of em.

[mickmoranis]

hey, her book isn't gonna sell itself

oh the other thing the libcucks are saying is its a publicity stunt and fake news, to sell her book.

lol what'd I tell ya Juris. /shrug

[AzzarTheGod]

but but but they're gonna get hillary in prison

lmao dumb cucks

[mickmoranis]

great piece on libcucks being cucks for russia http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/02/growing-evidence-that-russia-using-the-resistance-to-stoke-division/

[Pokesan]

russians signal boosting trumps shittiness doesn't make him not shitty.

like, that's why they supported him to begin with.

[mickmoranis]

just remember this when you're standing there, behind some pan sexual holding a machete standing over a fascist hes about to behead for the lilve stream

[Pokesan]

just remember this when you're standing there, behind some pan sexual holding a machete standing over a fascist hes about to behead for the lilve stream

no i refuse. i need to focus on remaining properly lubricated in that scenario.

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/x9BEYN5.jpg

[Lojik]

Will the string of hollywood sexual assault allegations spill over into the political world?

[mickmoranis]

Will the string of hollywood sexual assault allegations spill over into the political world?

I think it's the string of political tears that have spilled over into the entertainment world.

I mean let's be honest, these actors are the lefts only role models... they need them to be at least a little clean.

[Pokesan]

we'll never see their books of course but i think the obama-DNC-debt thing is a financial halftruth on the structure of payments.

gordo this is yours

[mickmoranis]

"I love corruption if dems do it, but if the GOP does then it's TREASON!"

[Pokesan]

what

[mickmoranis]

how dare one guy embezzle money thats treason! oh HRC embezzling money is just how politics work!

[mickmoranis]

btw culture and the freemarket will solve the climate problem, not the goverment: exxon spends 1 billion a year on green energy research gov spends 1 billion on campaigning. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-03/exxon-is-spending-1-billion-a-year-to-research-green-energy)

#cutcorperatetaxes

[Pokesan]

which one of us is having a stroke

[mickmoranis]

ur im sippin my drink enjoying the great america we're building.

[Raavak]

My main job is in capital machinery.... and we are f'ing BOOMing!! Largely in steel and oil&gas type "things".
Coincidentally orders starting pouring in last November. Things that make you go hmmm.

[JurisDictum]

Brian Singer is a creep and all. But honestly, your telling me that if this was a 18 year old girl on his arm, people would care as much?

9057

He does what a lot of Hollywood creeps do. He gets young people drunk and high and passes them around to his rich buddies. He just happens to be the gay version.

I want to see at least 1 guy getting busted for doing the same thing with 18 year old girls because you know they are out there -- probably about x3 as many.

[mickmoranis]

i seriously cant believe we live in a world where people dont know actors and film/theater runners are insane sociopath narcissists.

this has been basic common knowledge since the craft was invented.

the discovery people are having today really really indicates we need a god damn culling and I aint talkn about actors.

[AzzarTheGod]

Brian Singer is a creep and all. But honestly, your telling me that if this was a 18 year old girl on his arm, people would care as much?

9057

He does what a lot of Hollywood creeps do. He gets young people drunk and high and passes them around to his rich buddies. He just happens to be the gay version.

I want to see at least 1 guy getting busted for doing the same thing with 18 year old girls because you know they are out there -- probably about x3 as many.

brian singer just looks lowdown dirty and scummy. like drug rape type steez

[chadtwoke]

i think i see chabboo in the background

[JurisDictum]

I'll never really see Gandulf the same way after this:

9058

Nor his obsession with "Hobbits"

[AzzarTheGod]

I'll never really see Gandulf the same way after this:

9058

Nor his obsession with "Hobbits"

thats just how gay goes mane. a str8 guy will catch heat for it from everyone

gay getting gay privilege

[JurisDictum]

As fun as it is to talk about pool boys, the actual important shit going down is that Elizabeth Warren agrees that the primary was rigged. Warren is probably the best suited for 2020 Democrat nomination -- even if Bernie runs again.

[AzzarTheGod]

As fun as it is to talk about pool boys, the actual important shit going down is that Elizabeth Warren agrees that the primary was rigged. Warren is probably the best suited for 2020 Democrat nomination -- even if Bernie runs again.

I've said Warren 2020 since last year. Its going to be the nomination either in 2020 or 2024.

She may not want to run against Trump's populism unless she can create a populist movement of her own, ala Bernie Sanders.

[Patriam1066]

Y'all need the Midwest

Warren gets your precisely zero rednecks or blacks

Hope this helps!

[JurisDictum]

Should Twitter be able to block the President of the United States? It is just a private company that lets people post crap on the internet. Except maybe its not. Maybe it is more of a News media source these days with impartial responsibilities...

At least that's what I think. And that's why we can't just shut down Trump's twitter, or anyone else's. The exception would be someone actively broadcasting sensitive national security information.

[Ahldagor]

Maybe he wouldn't have to have a Twitter if the mainstream media wasn't all bent out of shape.

US media has no obligation to be well done journalism, so he walked into that field willingly. Not to mention that's what he banks on. When's the UK leaving the EU, Swish?

[skarlorn]

I'll never really see Gandulf the same way after this:

9058

Nor his obsession with "Hobbits"

that kid on the left is actually pretty cute i hope gandalf showed him the ways of the wand

[mickmoranis]

Y'all need the Midwest

Warren gets your precisely zero rednecks or blacks

Hope this helps!

godless savage middle eastern trys to spread his godlessness

nominate who is the best not who appeals to a wide varieties of demographics, tahts how you win in america, you godless savage

[mickmoranis]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284418

[Pokesan]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284418

go hawks

[mickmoranis]

not that I am sick but i bet they got it all on tape.

[Pokesan]

America owns, the best shootings bigly

texans is very smart (https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/927298824095391745)

[Patriam1066]

Uhh, he's a Mexican not a Texan

Hope this helps! Build the wall ASAP!!!

[Pokesan]

Uhh, he's a Mexican not a Texan

Hope this helps! Build the wall ASAP!!!

sure whatever. deport them all. end american agriculture slavery.

[mickmoranis]

America owns, the best shootings bigly

texans is very smart (https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/927298824095391745)

lol libcuck on twitter thinks congress should be up to date with 4chan memes.

party of winners you got there, poke.

[Pokesan]

in other news, rand paul got his ass kicked

https://i.imgur.com/T2Wt6r8.gif

[Ahldagor]

Paradise papers and Panama papers could have some interesting effects.

[AzzarTheGod]

Paradise papers and Panama papers could have some interesting effects.

paradise could be the murder of any journalist covering it seriously (not talking blurbs)

panama papers journalists were killed. it could happen

[AzzarTheGod]

dunk crew in this bitch lets do this

Others exposed in the Paradise Papers include ​President Trump’s Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’ connection to a shipping company partly owned by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s son-in-law,

the Queen of England investing millions of dollars in a Cayman Islands fund

and how Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau quietly moved millions to a Cayman trust.

lmao n they called Trudeau a "woke bae" and he won woke bae of the year award.

lmao the ultimate social bae is social with foreign banks.

where da patriotism u hypocritical fats?

[Ahldagor]

These good politicians would never misrepresent their monies to their country, right?

Not done yet, and, sadly, people will die for this exposure.

[Patriam1066]

sure whatever. deport them all. end american agriculture slavery.

Glad we agree

The women can stay though, my son is dating one she isn't bad and cooks and cleans

[icedwards]

dunk crew in this bitch lets do this


[size=5]lmao n they called Trudeau a "woke bae" and he won woke bae of the year award.

lmao the ultimate social bae is social with foreign banks.

where da patriotism u hypocritical fats?

Stephen Bronfman, a Trudeau fundraiser, quietly moved millions to a Cayman trust *

Nice fake news edit though.

[mickmoranis]

ah dang another case of liberal terrorism http://gotnews.com/breaking-report-texas-church-shooters-last-two-facebook-posts-supporting-antifa/

[fash]

ah dang another case of liberal terrorism http://gotnews.com/breaking-report-texas-church-shooters-last-two-facebook-posts-supporting-antifa/

This is clearly fake news. Who ever heard of this gotnews site?

CNN reports the killer as Sam Hyde, who killed 26 people in terrible church shooting in Texas. We can't let Sam Hyde keep getting away with this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To4AcwA6QIw

[JurisDictum]

I admit that once in a great while some guy with liberal atheist ideas will shoot up a Church. That's why I try not to politicize every god damn shooting in America. Can't we all just move on from the idea that shooters speak for whoever they voted for?

Note -- discussing the merits gun control could have had is not directly politicizing the situation IMO. It's a debate we need to have periodically because I think the jury is still out on gun control and its impact.

From my perspective: this shit doesn't seem to happen in Western Europe nearly as much.

[JurisDictum]

Donna Brazile was betrayed by her allies because they couldn't cover for her. So she was fired and disgraced as someone that cheated (but not Hillary Clinton oddly...). This is after being humiliated on T.V. She was ambushed with the fact that she was bald face lying about giving the debate questions to Clinton.

So her response to critics is rightly: Go to Hell

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/05/donna_brazile_to_critics_go_to_hell.html

[mickmoranis]

Ok let's talk about gun control.

The useless blue gov that is in charge of making sure we follow passed gun laws they want so bad, DIDNT update this guys information.

He was not legally allyto but a gun, but he walked into a store and bought the one he used on Sunday.

He posted about it on social media.

And because of a clerical error (on the useless governments side) he was able to buy a gun.

So tell me how your plans to have "common sense" gun laws will stop these shootings when those exact laws have allowed hundreds of shootings to happen?

[Rader]

Ok let's talk about gun control.

The useless blue gov that is in charge of making sure we follow passed gun laws they want so bad, DIDNT update this guys information.

He was not legally allyto but a gun, but he walked into a store and bought the one he used on Sunday.

He posted about it on social media.

And because of a clerical error (on the useless governments side) he was able to buy a gun.

So tell me how your plans to have "common sense" gun laws will stop these shootings when those exact laws have allowed hundreds of shootings to happen?

Trump is a moron for trying to deport 20 million illegal immigrants, there is no way anyone could possibly achieve that.

Libturds, on the other hand, would surely be able to remove the 500 million guns in this country, if only Republicans would come to their senses and support reasonable gun control legislation.

[chadtwoke]

This is clearly fake news. Who ever heard of this gotnews site?

CNN reports the killer as Sam Hyde, who killed 26 people in terrible church shooting in Texas. We can't let Sam Hyde keep getting away with this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To4AcwA6QIw

lmao best thing i've seen all day.

[Raavak]

Epic troll

[Pokesan]

Ok let's talk about gun control.

The useless blue gov that is in charge of making sure we follow passed gun laws they want so bad, DIDNT update this guys information.

He was not legally allyto but a gun, but he walked into a store and bought the one he used on Sunday.

He posted about it on social media.

And because of a clerical error (on the useless governments side) he was able to buy a gun.

So tell me how your plans to have "common sense" gun laws will stop these shootings when those exact laws have allowed hundreds of shootings to happen?

https://i.imgur.com/tcXpWFz.jpg

[mickmoranis]

hey just saying there is no such thing as common sense gun control and also what common sense gun control we have indicates that goverment does not spend your tax money right so.

The only logical thing to be is a libertarian.

[Pokesan]

todays a very exciting day. im gonna not vote and not get jury duty!

[mickmoranis]

look, yet another thing that was legally supposed to prevent him from buying a gun that didnt help at all: https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/927976747534045184

Also shows that no maount of "mental help" will lower the number of mass shootings we have. He escaped from a mental facility, still buys guns, even though he was legally not allowed to lmao

Is there a solution to this? NOPE

could you lower the number of gun deaths in this country by increasing police prescence in heavy gang activity areas? Yes.

Do liberals activly fight against that, because they think its 'raycist' to have a disproportionate number of minorities in prison, even though a disproportionate number of minorities commit crimes? Absofuckinglootly.

Are liberals and the people they elect the problem and the reason we have such a large amount of gun violence in this country?

DEFINITELY

[Patriam1066]

Nonetheless, it actually is too easy to buy a gun in Texas. Takes like 30 minutes to walk out of Walmart with a rifle

[Raavak]

If you never did anything wrong it shouldn't take you any time.

[mickmoranis]

Nonetheless, it actually is too easy to buy a gun in Texas. Takes like 30 minutes to walk out of Walmart with a rifle

none the less that isnt how people who perform mass shootings obtain their weapons.

UNLESS

they are like this guy who was not legally able to buy guns goes to a gun store and picks up an ar15 because:

A. Government does not work
B. Libcucks dont actually care about the operations of the laws they pass because theyre all about surface level feels so they can sleep easy at night like they contributed to society even though they just got high and watched stranger things again.

[Raavak]

I like how ex-cons get arrested with handguns for robbery or carjacking and the first thing that happens is the gun violation gets pled away and the guy is out on the loose because "we have to be more sensitive" and can't send them to jail. You pretty much have to kill someone to go to jail in my state. Its usually only a matter of time until some innocent person lies dead and the guy is finally sent away.

There's actually a small rift in the state GOP because 1/2 are all for drug rehab programs and early release, while the other half are fighting for longer sentences and revoking probation immediately on further arrests.

[Ahldagor]

I like how ex-cons get arrested with handguns for robbery or carjacking and the first thing that happens is the gun violation gets pled away and the guy is out on the loose because "we have to be more sensitive" and can't send them to jail. You pretty much have to kill someone to go to jail in my state. Its usually only a matter of time until some innocent person lies dead and the guy is finally sent away.

There's actually a small rift in the state GOP because 1/2 are all for drug rehab programs and early release, while the other half are fighting for longer sentences and revoking probation immediately on further arrests.

Check the donors for the GOP and DNC registered law makers for your state?

[JurisDictum]

Well the bigger question is: "If owning guns was a more rare thing that took a more extensive licensing process -- would there be less shootings?"

This particular shooting is an obvious case of bureaucratic failure -- highlighting the fact that bureaucracies will usually fuck up regularly and its a bit of leaky bucket jobs program. But that doesn't mean the law is never followed. Or that we can get more serious about its enforcement.

I'm suggesting that going further than any Democrats have proposed might actually be effective. Maybe you should have to be one of those "gun owning guys/girls." Maybe you should need to go through an extensive gun licensing process in the U.S. Only people that put that amount of effort into it are going to be using them properly in emergencies anyway.

And maybe that would lower the instances of mass shooting while still granting normal people with a bit of time, money, and willpower the ability to own guns legally.

Obviously the gun corporations would hate this idea because it would limit sales. Maybe hicks in Texas wouldn't all feel like they need one just to fit in anymore...etc.

[mickmoranis]

Barring outright banning semi auto guns and making 6 round magazines the max a gun can hold and spending trillions on a buy back program. You would not have changed a single mass shooting that has taken place in the last 10 years.

Even if you had heavy licensing you'd still have people collecting mass amounts of guns and using them, the same way the guy did las Vegas, super rich dude who could have afforded ALL of the licensing required.

Second of all, there are laws that work like the licensing you suggest would work preventing the dishonerably discharged, mentally ill, convicted, people like the guy from this sunday 5 or 6 times over from being able to legally buy a gun, and the laws. Did. not. work.

So, you'd have failures in the system like sunday, you'd have people who can afford it like the guy in las vegas, you'd have children of families that own guns like columbine, you'd have legal citizens like the guy in aurora, sandy hook, walmart, florida, and most importantly you'd have ALL those gun deaths that gang activity is a result of (which makes up a whopping 3/4ths of mass shootings in this country) operating despite "common sense" or even "unconstitutional" gun control.

Plain and simple, short of an outright ban and a government collection program to collect all the legal/illegal guns in this country, no questions asked. You cannot change mass shootings in this country.

OK that is a lie, you COULD reduce them by 3/4ths... IF YOU WOULD STOP blaming police for there being a demonstrably larger amount of minorities committing violent crimes. And you wouldn't even have to tread on anyone's constitutional rights to clean up the streets. You'd just have to support the police.

You could also dump taxes into these areas and see how that works, I recommend blue states do this, you're so dead set on increasing taxes to make up for the weaker people of your society, WELL DO IT there are PLENTY of blue states that could prove that the system would work.

FUNNY HOW THEY DONT EH? cus nobody really wants to do what the left says they want to do. That and most lefty politicians only SAY they want to do things, so they get you excited to vote for them. Then they just take kickbacks and bribes and operate like anyone else in the government. Meaning they dont do anything of any value.

[Pokesan]

lots of racism today

[Triiz]

If gun laws don't work, why has there not been a single mass shooting in decades with a fully automatic weapon used? Why are fully automatic weapons only extremely rarely used by gang members? Surely mass shooters and gang bangers have access to these weapons since gun laws don't work at all, why aren't they using them?

Also, if you truly believe "shall not be infringed" means that there are no reasonable restrictions to gun access, then you should be arguing for the mentally ill to have access to guns, not have them taken away. Same for felons. There isn't a god damn thing in the Constitution that says "shall not be infringed...unless you are mentally ill or previously convicted of a felony".

Either there are reasonable restrictions and the mentally ill and convicted murderers shouldn't have guns, or there aren't reasonable restrictions. It can't be both. Hilariously, the Trump administration is fighting two PA criminals in court that claim they are being denied their Second Amendment Right and the Trump administration said restoring their gun rights would be a "threat to public safety" lol

[mickmoranis]

Triiz are you able to read or do not understand the conversation?

Because there is an OUTRIGHT BAN on fully automatic weapons.

Beyond that, there is NO WAY to reduce mass shootings.

[mickmoranis]

Either there are reasonable restrictions and the mentally ill and convicted murderers shouldn't have guns, or there aren't reasonable restrictions.

whats hilarious about you libtards is, there has been 1 person who was arrested and detained and is registered as being mentally ill, that has performed a mass shooting, and on top of that he was dishonorably discharged and is a convicted criminal. those are ALL of the restrictions common sense control argues for, and those ALL are in effect and should have prevented him from buying a gun, but for some reason, THEY DIDN'T...

He should NOT have had a gun. But these laws, do. not. work.

Now, ALL of the previous shooters in the last 10 years, ALL would ahve checked out OK in ALL of what you suggest. So common sense gun contorl would not have had an affect at all in stopping them.

HOWEVER again.. you could stop 3/4ths of them if you increase police presence and funding in areas with gang activity, but NO you think that isnt "fair"

[Triiz]

Triiz are you able to read or do not understand the conversation?

Because there is an OUTRIGHT BAN on fully automatic weapons.

Beyond that, there is NO WAY to reduce mass shootings.

In a shocking revelation, apparently you don't actually know shit about guns. Any automatic weapon manufactured before 1986 can still be bought and sold with enough paper work. The government didn't go around confiscating automatics after Reagan signed the 1986 law, why aren't they used in mass shootings? Criminals don't follow gun laws, ya know?



HOWEVER again.. you could stop 3/4ths of them if you increase police presence and funding in areas with gang activity, but NO you think that isnt "fair"

lol that you think the majority of policing isn't already directed at high crime neighborhoods, what kinda fuckin bubble do you live in?

He should NOT have had a gun.


Where does it say that in the Second Amendment? You think the government should get to pick and chose who has rights and who doesn't? Is that what you would call a "reasonable restriction"? So you don't believe the Second Amendment is absolute? Reminds me of how Conservatives think you give up your Fourth Amendment rights if you live in a shitty neighborhood, but any changes to gun laws are an insult to everything the Constitution stands for.

[mickmoranis]

In a shocking revelation, apparently you don't actually know shit about guns. Any automatic weapon manufactured before 1986 can still be bought and sold with enough paper work. The government didn't go around confiscating automatics after Reagan signed the 1986 law, why aren't they used in mass shootings? Criminals don't follow gun laws, ya know?

1. you can buy an AR for 500
2. It gonna cost about 10 grand or more to own one of them older models due to the paperwork required, its actually quite a time consuming process.

lol that you think the majority of policing isn't already directed at high crime neighborhoods, what kinda fuckin bubble do you live in?

we need to increase police spending by 2x at least if we want to make an impact, but liberals want more accountability bureaucracy and less police funding impeding these officers from doing their job, in what has proven in the last 10 years to be a fair and lawful manor, unlike what the internet viral videos made you think.

Where does it say that in the Second Amendment? You think the government should get to pick and chose who has rights and who doesn't? Is that what you would call a "reasonable restriction"? So you don't believe the Second Amendment is absolute? Reminds me of how Conservatives think you give up your Fourth Amendment rights if you live in a shitty neighborhood, but any changes to gun laws are an insult to everything the Constitution stands for.

Texas Tex. Gov’t Code §411.172 A person is ineligible for a license to carry a concealed weapon if the person:
(1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse control, or intellectual ability;
(2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subdivision (1) that: (A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a future time; or (B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelopment;
(3) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician, determined by a review board or similar authority, or declared by a court to be incompetent to manage the person's own affairs; or
(4) has entered in a criminal proceeding a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.

The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychiatric disorder or condition described by section (1), above:
(1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization;
(2) psychiatric hospitalization;
(3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the preceding five-year period;
(4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled substance, or a similar substance; or
(5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition consisting of or relating to:
(A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
(B) bipolar disorder;
(C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect, or brain injury;
(D) dissociative identity disorder;
(E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
(F) antisocial personality disorder.

[Pokesan]

Texans signing Josh Johnson!

that's kaeps backup btw

lol

[Triiz]

1. you can buy an AR for 500
2. It gonna cost about 10 grand or more to own one of them older models due to the paperwork required, its actually quite a time consuming process.


But that's purchasing it legally. Gun laws don't work because criminals don't follow them is what I hear.




we need to increase police spending by 2x at least if we want to make an impact, but liberals want more accountability bureaucracy and less police funding impeding these officers from doing their job, in what has proven in the last 10 years to be a fair and lawful manor, unlike what the internet viral videos made you think.


Violent crime is basically half of what it was in the early 90's. Viral videos didn't do shit to change my opinion of policing, I spent a large portion of my life living in a shitty neighborhood I've seen how fucked up a lot of local cops are in real life.


Texas Tex. Gov’t Code §411.172

That's not the Constitution.

[mickmoranis]

But that's purchasing it legally. Gun laws don't work because criminals don't follow them is what I hear.


triiz, I said a ban on semi auto guns. That would work. Your example of the assault weapon ban did have a major affect on their use in crime.

But a ban on semi auto weapons is a hopeless dream.

Criminals don't in fact use full autos. In miami where the dialogue all started because of the drug trade in the 80s, after the ban deaths by automatic weapons went down by nearly 100% and to this day, still a very RARE way for someone to die by gunfire in America. That, among many other examples indicate you would reduce shootings only a FULL BAN on semi autos could have an effect on mass shootings, or shootings in general in the USA. Its what I said.

Anything short of that, and gun control would have had NO effect on any of the mass shootings in the last 10 years. So the point is, "sensible gun control" has no effect on mass shootings. Only, full ban on all semi auto weapons could potentially have an effect.

But short of a full ban on semi autos, if you argue for any gun control in hopes that it having an effect on mass shootings in ameraca, then you're anouncing to supporters of the second amendmant, that you are a dumb libturd that gets all your faucts and dahter, from memes and CNN headlines. Hence, completely clueless about gun law and issues.

Violent crime is basically half of what it was in the early 90's. Viral videos didn't do shit to change my opinion of policing, I spent a large portion of my life living in a shitty neighborhood I've seen how fucked up a lot of local cops are in real life.

all you are saying here is that you grew up in a crime infested area and had a gross family

That's not the Constitution.

what are you even arguing about here? I said he is not supposed to have a gun, becuse the LAW states that he is not, yet he was able to buy one anyway because the goverment SUCKS at its job and libtards vote for legislation and then dont put anyone in charge of managing it because they cuck them for campaign donations by pretending to be fixing such a tragic cultural phenomenon in American history.

[Pokesan]

what are you even arguing about here? I said he is not supposed to have a gun, becuse the LAW states that he is not, yet he was able to buy one anyway because the goverment SUCKS at its job and libtards vote for legislation and then dont put anyone in charge of managing it because they cuck them for campaign donations by pretending to be fixing such a tragic cultural phenomenon in American history.

he's talking about the constitution, particularly the 2nd amendment. perhaps you should bone up on this government thing.

[mickmoranis]

he's talking about the constitution, particularly the 2nd amendment. perhaps you should bone up on this government thing.

what does that have to do with anything that I have said? I have by no means said anything that would indicate I require a description of the second amendment.

The SA is one thing, but the current law is what we live by.

[Pokesan]

what does that have to do with anything that I have said? I have by no means said anything that would indicate I require a description of the second amendment.

The SA is one thing, but the current law is what we live by.

incorrect. federal law, especially the constitution, trumps state law. texas can get fucked.

you'll never see a challenge to mental health restrictions though, as standing would be cut off at the knees by an immediate restoration.

[mickmoranis]

what are you talking about? Challenge to mental health restricitons?

I Have no idea what you're on about. Im not even suggesting getting rid of any current law, infact I am citing it and defending it as law.

I am however saying that this individual with a mental health history worthy of legally blocking him from buying guns in three different manners, ALL of which failed at their job, was able to buy a gun, illegally as a result of the very beurocracy you are sitting here rattling off.

[Pokesan]

what are you talking about? Challenge to mental health restricitons?

I Have no idea what you're on about. Im not even suggesting getting rid of any current law, infact I am citing it and defending it as law.

I am however saying that this individual with a mental health history worthy of legally blocking him from buying guns in three different manners, ALL of which failed at their job, was able to buy a gun, illegally as a result of the very beurocracy you are sitting here rattling off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M54rv3hfIkc

[Patriam1066]

incorrect. federal law, especially the constitution, trumps state law. texas can get fucked.

you'll never see a challenge to mental health restrictions though, as standing would be cut off at the knees by an immediate restoration.

Washington state would get rolled by Texas Lockheed and oil bitch good luck with Starbucks and (((Boeing)))

[hyejin]

incorrect. federal law, especially the constitution, trumps state law. texas can get fucked.

you'll never see a challenge to mental health restrictions though, as standing would be cut off at the knees by an immediate restoration.

*puffs legal weed*

(just kidding thats gross)

[Patriam1066]

Also idk who Kaepernick's backup is or was but kaep sucks and Alex smith is better (shouldn't have let him go). No one is gonna sign kaep ratings are dropping and dude is toxic

[mickmoranis]

TC layin down the blame for the shooting on sunday and it falling directly on democrats. https://www.redstate.com/slee/2017/11/07/ted-cruz-obama-administration-failed-prosecute-lies-gun-background-check-forms/

[Pokesan]

Washington state would get rolled by Texas Lockheed and oil bitch good luck with Starbucks and (((Boeing)))

i respect you enough to know you're missing the point on purpose. well done! :)

Also idk who Kaepernick's backup is or was but kaep sucks and Alex smith is better (shouldn't have let him go). No one is gonna sign kaep ratings are dropping and dude is toxic

it's always been a cynical protest to promote his brand, but that's the world these days.

kaep is better than tom savage and ill karate chop you if you disagree

[Pokesan]

*puffs legal weed*

(just kidding thats gross)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLkp_Dx6VdI

[fash]

You guys are missing the issue on the Texas shooting. The issue is mainstream atheism.

Should you blame the vehicle the Islamist used to murder a group of civilians in Manhattan 2 weeks ago? No.

Should you blame the gun the mainstream atheist used to murder a group in Texas 1 week ago? No.

[Nilstoniakrath]

You guys are missing the issue on the Texas shooting. The issue is mainstream atheism.

Should you blame the vehicle the Islamist used to murder a group of civilians in Manhattan 2 weeks ago? No.

Should you blame the gun the mainstream atheist used to murder a group in Texas 1 week ago? No.

It is really easy, libtards. Blame lax prison sentences, the collapse of morals, and a society that will excuse the idiot who pulls the trigger because "we made him do it" while putting blame on the CEO of the gun company who manufactured the gun for putting the tool into the hands of these F-ing @$$wipes in the first place. Utter brilliance. Idiots.

[Patriam1066]

*puffs legal weed*

(just kidding thats gross)

Howdy J

i respect you enough to know you're missing the point on purpose. well done! :)



it's always been a cynical protest to promote his brand, but that's the world these days.

kaep is better than tom savage and ill karate chop you if you disagree

He's better. However, the NFL is a business and ratings are dropping. Idk how much of that is due to people not watching because of commercials, the protests, or (my opinion) shitty product on the field, but kaepernick isn't a good hire for getting people to watch at home or in the stands. Just business

[Nilstoniakrath]

It is really easy, libtards. Blame lax prison sentences, the collapse of morals, and a society that will excuse the idiot who pulls the trigger because "we made him do it" while putting blame on the CEO of the gun company who manufactured the gun for putting the tool into the hands of these F-ing @$$wipes in the first place. Utter brilliance. Idiots.

Oh yeah, lets ban spoons to eradicate obesity. LOL.

[Patriam1066]

It is really easy, libtards. Blame lax prison sentences, the collapse of morals, and a society that will excuse the idiot who pulls the trigger because "we made him do it" while putting blame on the CEO of the gun company who manufactured the gun for putting the tool into the hands of these F-ing @$$wipes in the first place. Utter brilliance. Idiots.

Being an arms dealer is about as bad as being a drug dealer

Capitalism doesn't survive without being checked by morality. I can't believe I have to explain the success of Protestantism to whites, it amazes me

The anglosphere and Western Europe are successful because you guys combined the pussy ass universalist / compassionate (good) values of the New Testament with a steady history of trade across Europe + a reversion to classical rationalism (the enlightenment)

If you're going to glorify any CEO, but especially one making money off of guns, you missed what made the West exceptional and Iran a shit hole

Hope this helps! You'd make a good Muslim!!!!

[Pokesan]

He's better. However, the NFL is a business and ratings are dropping. Idk how much of that is due to people not watching because of commercials, the protests, or (my opinion) shitty product on the field, but kaepernick isn't a good hire for getting people to watch at home or in the stands. Just business

true, nobody wants that noise in their house. but if he proves collusion(2 or more parties), the CBA is void. i don't want that, but it's exciting(like a horror movie).

you're right though, play is bad. most glaring example is the change to kicking made them all suck shit. kicks are supposed to be boring not enraging.

sucks that texans finally got a QB and he died. hope his knees aren't completely trashed from college style ball.

[Ahldagor]

NFL ratings are down proly more to the injury bug. The kneeling only pisses off old white men. A voided CBA would be hilarious tho'.