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[JurisDictum]

Conyers is going down for Sexual Harassment it looks like. Got caught paying off some broad after engaging in a bit the ol' grab ass. He's black so... he pretty much brings the whole skin color down a bit by American logic. But he still has excellent taste in suits:

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[AzzarTheGod]

Hate to tell y'all this but Gavin newsom, gov. Brown, and Biden would all kill trump in 2020

Brexit & trump hqve killed the appeal of populism

ill buy Biden stock. that about it

[Patriam1066]

I admit Warren sounds kind of like a psychopathic idiot on Foreign Policy...But she is the only one that understands the tax code well enough to catch a lot of BS. I guess the question is -- is she just trying to say what she needs to in order to sound tough, informed, intelligent, and slightly masculine on T.V.?

My guess is yes.

But Bernie probably is the best I've been thinking. Bernie is the least corrupt out of any known Democrat.

Warren's style is just toxic to a lot of people. Bernie can win some white rural voters, Warren can't. Also, Warren is the only person I'd vote for trump over at this point. Every time she talks I feel like I'm listening to my 2 year old granddaughter

ill buy Biden stock. that about it

I don't know shit about newsom I'll admit that, but Brown isn't popular? Biden would win for sure. No one thinks the popular gov of California could win?

[JurisDictum]

I thought Brown basically ran the mob down there and wasn't going anywhere ever.

[mickmoranis]

my prediction is John Stewart will run.

[Pokesan]

kasich will run as a dem, bringing unity to the uniparty system

[loramin]

my prediction is John Stewart will run.

At first I misread that as "Jon Snow will run" and totally thought to myself "yeah he did a good job defending the wall, I'd vote for him" :D

(I'd vote for Jon Stewart too.)

[JurisDictum]

I'd vote for one of those Christian populist guys if they were right on the economy...but not everyone is going to put up with the abortion shit and hedging on LGBT rights etc.

[Patriam1066]

Jon Stewart

Another person who'd force me to vote trump again

[hyejin]

i will be writing in for a third term for my president, who exempted me from the draft, in 2024

[skarlorn]

I'd like the chance to vote Bernie into office

[Domo]

a bit out of topic:

Trump is the prove that anyone can be President in the USA.
Thats risky, but also very positiv I think :)

[mickmoranis]

I'd like the chance to vote Bernie into office

I feel like after the cuck'ing for hillary while her base simultaneously rippped him for being a sexist and at fault for her losing, means that he would get trounced in 2020... still the best politician for the job, despite his SJW flaws. But I doubt it could work.

Too many independents on the right know who he is now and think his name is synonymous with cuck or communist. He had a window but the DNC shut it for him.

[mickmoranis]

Also he is on record for saying the GOP politicians accused of sex harrasment should resign, but defending Frakin and saying we shouldnt worry about the past as far as bill goes.

So hes digging himself into a hole that would get him shamed hard in a fight with trump in a way that trump voters would be energized from. Just not possible anymore.

Im sure we'll see Warren as a half assed attempt at the left trying to pander to the sexist women of the party and the cucky men who want a socialist. She really is the perfect candidate for the libtardnation.

[jakerees]

Well, you could perceive the people living under the degradation of the IRGC as victims yearnig to be free or you could give a worse nation (Saudi Arabia) the green light to start a war that they'll lose, thereby dragging Americans into conflict with people who don't actually want to fight the US

Iran helped us in Afghanistan in 2001 and cares more about stability than the Saudis. But yes, if you are a sucker for the Israeli position then Iran is certainly a problem. How does igniting another war in the Middle East solve that, I wonder?

Apologies, by Iran being a problem I meant the regime in power for the past few decades, not the people of Iran as a whole.

[Nibblewitz]

Kim Jong Un mind controlling naval pilots to crash their shit in the south Pacific.

[Patriam1066]

I'd like the chance to vote Bernie into office

Me too to be honest. My vote wouldn't matter in Texas but I may vote in the dem primary

Apologies, by Iran being a problem I meant the regime in power for the past few decades, not the people of Iran as a whole.

Yeah, I agree. But the people who are our friends in the region (Israel and Saudi Arabia), are arguably just as bad. Saudi Arabia is worse and run by the Arab version of Jared kushner. Crown prince dumb fuck of the house of saud is going to start a war with Iran, mismanage it and face surprising resistance from the Islamic republic, and then we'll get dragged into the conflict. Saudi Arabia wants to fight Iran to the last American

[JurisDictum]

You know Saudi Princes come to Palm Springs all the time and pick up white blond sugar babies. Or so I hear. They are all a bunch of fucked up deviants too. Just type in "saudi prince gay" in google and I bet you about 10 rapes come up.

Just something to think about when assessing the character of those we are in bed with.

[Lhancelot]

Dang, that selfie of Joe Barton... :eek:

[Pokesan]

its not the buttfumble, but it'll do.

god bless us every one :)

[Ahldagor]

its not the buttfumble, but it'll do.

god bless us every one :)

Cowboys getting embarassed at home for two games in a row, gotta love it.

[JurisDictum]

This is what happens when your team has players that keep beating women and getting suspended.

[AenorVZ]

http://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/prague-appeals-court-rule-russian-hacker-extradition-51356588

Career killer.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/prague-appeals-court-rule-russian-hacker-extradition-51356588

Career killer.

Should have stayed in Russia. His handler must have told him the laws and how he should not travel?

What a moron.

[mickmoranis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z05jaHfvgVw

[Lhancelot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z05jaHfvgVw

Being hypocritical isn't just a democratic party trait. :D

[Pokesan]

a man convicted of fraud accuses the democrats of hypocrisy

gee whiz i guess ill vote for trickle down economics

[JurisDictum]

Politico published an article saying you should blame them if Roy Moore wins.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/25/want-to-know-why-roy-moore-might-win-blame-the-media-215863

You see they are so god damn hated -- people get contrarian and defend assholes they would have turned on 20 years ago. I might have expected a guy in the south getting away with hitting on teenagers as a 30 year old. But in the past it wouldn't be the damn Christian community defending them. They would be the ones on his ass about it.

[hyejin]

If you asked me in which state Roy Moore is located or to name the particular office for which he is or was running I would not be able to answer you. I'm in a really good mood this morning and sexually satisfied well beyond what you're accustomed to.

[mickmoranis]

Being hypocritical isn't just a democratic party trait. :D

but it was one the democrats used to think they were free from guilt of. (still do)

the classic "were not the only ones that are terribad" response when someone criticizes the democratic party, is terribad.

[JurisDictum]

If you asked me in which state Roy Moore is located or to name the particular office for which he is or was running I would not be able to answer you. I'm in a really good mood this morning and sexually satisfied well beyond what you're accustomed to.

Roy Moore is a jackass from Alabama who wears a cowboy hat. Even though Alabama is by no stretch of the imagination a western state where that kind of hat is historically justified.

I think that's all you need to know about Roy Moore.

Edit: Moore rejects the theory of evolution, saying "There is no such thing as evolution. That we came from a snake? No, I don’t believe that."[167] In 2010, Moore ran attack ads in the Republican gubernatorial primary against his opponent Bradley Byrne, questioning Byrne's faith on the grounds that he had supported the teaching of evolution while on a local school board.

Moore has been described as holding "virulently anti-gay" beliefs.[166][13] Moore is supportive of laws to make homosexuality illegal, and has argued that same-sex parents are unfit to raise children, that openly gay individuals should not be allowed to serve in government, and that the legitimization of various forms of "sodomy" may cause suffering in the United States.[166][13][194] He believes that homosexuality goes against "the laws of nature" and stated it is comparable with bestiality

[Nibblewitz]

People are still entitled to their beliefs (I think.)

The masses succumb to the fallacy that personal beliefs have a direct impact on policy making. I would be suspicious of any politician telling you exactly what you want to hear.

[mickmoranis]

People are still entitled to their beliefs (I think.)

The masses succumb to the fallacy that personal beliefs have a direct impact on policy making. I would be suspicious of any politician telling you exactly what you want to hear.

hes a communist but about as close as Ive ever seen was bernie sanders. Hell, he came out as a communist at the beginning. Gotta give the man some credit.

[Nibblewitz]

Way before our time, but I think Henry Wallace is the gold standard of American politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKrIdSPkHI

[mickmoranis]

Way before our time, but I think Henry Wallace is the gold standard of American politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKrIdSPkHI

great candidate, ironically the democratic party kept him off the ticket when he tried to run for president in very similar fashion as they did commrade sanders.

terrible joke of a party but fuck anyone that doesnt toe the line eh?

cucknation

[hyejin]

Roy Moore is a jackass from Alabama who wears a cowboy hat. Even though Alabama is by no stretch of the imagination a western state where that kind of hat is historically justified.

I think that's all you need to know about Roy Moore.


Thank you! I needed to learn that before I embarrassed myself in front of people. :)

[Nibblewitz]

And there are Republicans that were silenced and ousted from the establishment. Like it or not, Ron Paul shamelessly spoke the truth.

[mickmoranis]

And there are Republicans that were silenced and ousted from the establishment. Like it or not, Ron Paul shamelessly spoke the truth.

if you're responding to me, the irony there is that is what the GOP is, the democratic party is suposed to be the yang to that ying, not another ying. The two party system doesnt work if both are corrupt and self serving.

[AzzarTheGod]

if you're responding to me, the irony there is that is what the GOP is, the democratic party is suposed to be the yang to that ying, not another ying. The two party system doesnt work if both are corrupt and self serving.

woke

[Lojik]

The two party system doesnt work if both are corrupt and self serving.

Or working as intended?

[Nibblewitz]

Can't have the illusion of choice without a choice.

[Pokesan]

im returning to the plantation unless they run zuck or hillary

[Patriam1066]

Or working as intended?

Or life in America isn't actually that bad and 99% of problems are related to bad parenting and poor personal conduct (obesity, diabetes, lack of effort, etc)

Happy thanksgiving! God bless!!!

[Patriam1066]

im returning to the plantation unless they run zuck or hillary

I don't understand the reference but I know you're not black. I've been to Seattle

[Pokesan]

I don't understand the reference but I know you're not black. I've been to Seattle

never thought a rich texan would complain about cultural appropriation but here we are:p

[Patriam1066]

Every time I see a white person eat pistachios or a pomegranate I get pissed. Cultural appropriation is actually very annoying

Honkeys

[AzzarTheGod]

Or working as intended?

ddddouble woke

[Ahldagor]

Every time I see a white person eat pistachios or a pomegranate I get pissed. Cultural appropriation is actually very annoying

Honkeys

Fire seared meats bring everyone together, but vegetarians who are inherently weird.

[mickmoranis]

Every time I see a white person eat pistachios or a pomegranate I get pissed. Cultural appropriation is actually very annoying

Honkeys

god you savage heathen.

how dare you come into this country and spout off all this christian shit then say we are appropriating your almonds.

go back to your sand castle.

[Patriam1066]

god you savage heathen.

how dare you come into this country and spout off all this christian shit then say we are appropriating your almonds.

go back to your sand castle.

christianity is legit. You are not

Hope this helps!!!

Keep growing pistachios and almonds while California burns down!!!! Good use of water resources!!!!!!!!!!

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgur.com/D7aOXVA.gif

[Nibblewitz]

Solid proof of flat earth.

[mickmoranis]

goverment conspires to prevent scientist from launching himself into space to prove earth is flat.

Goverment oversight?

Or big government conspiracy?

you decide

Either way trump 2020 thanks to big G that simultaneously cant figure out how to maintain its grip on the internet. What a waste of tax dollars.

[chadtwoke]

goverment conspires to prevent scientist from launching himself into space to prove earth is flat.

Goverment oversight?

Or big government conspiracy?

you decide

Either way trump 2020 thanks to big G that simultaneously cant figure out how to maintain its grip on the internet. What a waste of tax dollars.

That dude is awesome. Even though launching himself 1,800 feet into the air won't help his case of a flat earth. Will still provide some luls when his steam powered rocket explodes and he dies a hero.

[mickmoranis]

That dude is awesome. Even though launching himself 1,800 feet into the air won't help his case of a flat earth. Will still provide some luls when his steam powered rocket explodes and he dies a hero.

there isnt a single group on earth except for huge pussies that doesnt win from this launch

[Ahldagor]

Natural selection at that point. Repeat the tests, gopro ppv cams.

[Patriam1066]

That dude is awesome. Even though launching himself 1,800 feet into the air won't help his case of a flat earth. Will still provide some luls when his steam powered rocket explodes and he dies a hero.

Who is this and how do I watch

[skarlorn]

Yeah flat Earth rocket man is a hero

[JurisDictum]

Bernie is starting to close the deal before Warren beats him to the punch:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/bernie-sanders-2020-elections-258160

Not only is he putting it out he is running -- he is focusing on foreign policy. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes fishing for a humanitarian story to get behind. Either that or its just typical "show them the lefty can be tough on the 3rd world" bullshit.

[mickmoranis]

Bernie is starting to close the deal before Warren beats him to the punch:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/bernie-sanders-2020-elections-258160

Not only is he putting it out he is running -- he is focusing on foreign policy. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes fishing for a humanitarian story to get behind. Either that or its just typical "show them the lefty can be tough on the 3rd world" bullshit.

lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MxOPTKHRZ8&feature=youtu.be&t=2645)

[Lhancelot]

lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MxOPTKHRZ8&feature=youtu.be&t=2645)

Nothing like a beta calling other men betas. :rolleyes:

[JurisDictum]

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Pajama boy will probably get picked up by some cougar -- he's going to be fine. Bill Whittle however, looks like shit.

How is he more impressive than Pajama boy I ask you?

Just click the fucking link it looks like some old fart ranting in Pajama's about how someone is out to fleece his passive income.

Edit: Seriously Bill Whittle looks particularly bad in the linked video for himself.

[mickmoranis]

you guys ever watch louder with faggo.. i mean crowder? The guy on the right side of this video who appears in many of crowders videos is the definition of cuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MECcIJW67-M

[AzzarTheGod]

you guys ever watch louder with faggo.. i mean crowder? The guy on the right side of this video who appears in many of crowders videos is the definition of cuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MECcIJW67-M

yea not a crowder fan. got my shapiro n milo on deck

[Pokesan]

TERF is a slur (https://www.reddit.com/r/terfisaslur/)

[mickmoranis]

shapiro is really killing it so much that whenever hes dead wrong I still cant stop loling and loving this guy.

[mickmoranis]

that break out interview he had with that brit lol that shit was so good.

"you stand on childrends corpses"

[JurisDictum]

And that brings me to one of the reasons I thought to bring all this shit up:
The big Washington food fight (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/26/food-lobby-consumer-tastes-washington-190528)

The Grocery Manufacturers Association is essentially falling apart. I think it's because elites are realizing they want skinny, stronger, better looking inferiors. So their done doing this game of hide-the-sugar and toxic preservatives.

See in the past they banned together -- if we all sell crap, then entire grocery store will be filled with crap! and everyone eats crap, therefore we don't have to stop selling crap. But then the defectors began to offer healthy options like whole wheat products.

Soon it will be a race to pander to all the health conscious 30 year old millennials. This is the fastest group of people signing up for the gym now BTW. So if you want to be part of the better looking 30s/40s/50s crowd -- id get your ass to the gym.

Kind of got lost among the debate about whether it was wrong to call people fat when their fat ass is oozing out of their cloths and they have that down-cast "ahh shit I'm fat" look on their face. This condescending bullshit -- as if they don't know what you're doing.

But I ask you -- Is the free market going to solve the problem of obesity? Or are we going to have to make it straight illegal to sell cinnabon at 7/11's....no one should indulge in something that unhealthy and not even get the real damn thing at a bakery somewhere.

Maybe we just have to make it illegal for all fast food burgers to be half fat and extremely low grade meat. Maybe people can't be trusted with the responsibility of demanding better food. So then McDonalds or whatever would have to try a business model where they provide real meat in their burgers on whole wheat buns or some shit.

If we leave it to consumers -- will we have quality food widely available? Or will we continue to have to be considered a health nut and pack our own damn salad lunch to avoid eating shitty quality food?

We'll see... I think authoritarianism might be the answer through. You guys do understand why having junk food EVERYWHERE and health food more limited is a way of encouraging fatness and unhealthy indulgence right?

[mickmoranis]

people are obease causing medical costs skyrocket

libcucks want to make skinnypeople pay for fat people

will the freemarket solve obeasity asks a libtard?

no, not with your political agenda

but with ours?

yes... we dont care if they die and cant afford heart medicine.

thank you. come again.

[Lhancelot]

people are obease causing medical costs skyrocket

libcucks want to make skinnypeople pay for fat people

will the freemarket solve obeasity asks a libtard?

no, not with your political agenda

but with ours?

yes... we dont care if they die and cant afford heart medicine.

thank you. come again.

What about your family members who are obese? What about the inflated costs for medications?

Eventually you too will get fat and/or have health problems and you just might find yourself in a predicament where even you cannot afford the cost of medications seeing how ridiculous the costs are ballooning.

Obesity is hardly why healthcare costs are rising btw. You know this though. :D

[mickmoranis]

What about your family members who are obese?

if they continued to ignore my verbal harassment at family gatherings and got diabeeties then if I LIke them theyre getting a small lone if i dont then thats a real shame buh bye

Eventually you too will get fat and/or have health problems and you just might find yourself in a predicament where even you cannot afford the cost of medications seeing how ridiculous the costs are ballooning.

This is not true, i have survived 20 yeras of everquest without gaining weight and can survive another 40 years of life without it either.

I know its hard to believe that a member of the community isnt fat, but look at sektors, he weighs 400lbs but from the outside, it looks like he'd only weigh about 155 (If you catch my drift)

But seriously if even a hard core loser like him can shed weight. Anyone can.

[JurisDictum]

Americans are busy. We work more hours per week than any other worker among the advanced western democracies. So a lot of times they have to eat out (until they have a very organized home life and can pack their own food). The vast majority of that food is in a race to the bottom to taste good.

What's the best way to make things taste good? Well putting a bunch of butter on the veggies will help. Maybe a ton of sugar and MSG in the sauce will get critics raving. Some kind of heavy carb on the side is usually the options like sour dough bread or a big ass russet potato (nice and buttery too). That is -- if your not just having french fries like everyone else does these days.

Everyone is doing it. Too many young people and ectomorphs get away with this -- and the rest just get fat or are construction workers that do lots of heavy physical work (even then some get fat). So they have no visible reason not to order the fries until their doctor insists they are dying.

Fries are fucking delicious. They are potatos fried in oil with salt -- amazing. All you need is stuff with sugar to dip them in like ketchup and complete that primal desire to seek fat, salt, sugar, in a solidly filling potato. It keeps coming back because there is no nutrition or fiber in them.

People are too weak and stupid to say no to that. Right now there is probably some guy planing to get fries having read that. Maybe fries should be illegal. Just during lunchtime. Bars can sell them or something.

Don't get me started on how fucked up donuts are. Are we really going basically state-sponsor donuts by providing them next to the cofee at every damn government office in America? These damn things kill -- they are the worst of the worst health-wise and they probably put your workforce in a food coma before 5.

[mickmoranis]

People are too weak and stupid to say no to that. Right now there is probably some guy planing to get fries having read that. Maybe fries should be illegal.

so stop being a socialist and protecting those weak, stupid, lesser gene pools.

[Lhancelot]

so stop being a socialist and protecting those weak, stupid, lesser gene pools.

there are tons (no pun intended) of obese conservatives too.

[mickmoranis]

there are tons (no pun intended) of obese conservatives too.

u think i care if they cant make it and die like a dog in the street? Stop trying to make me pay to heal them.

[Lhancelot]

u think i care if they cant make it and die like a dog in the street? Stop trying to make me pay to heal them.

But you do care. You even said if they were someone you loved or as you put it, "liked" you'd even loan them money to help them with their medical costs.

[Pokesan]

Americans are busy. We work more hours per week than any other worker among the advanced western democracies. So a lot of times they have to eat out (until they have a very organized home life and can pack their own food). The vast majority of that food is in a race to the bottom to taste good.

What's the best way to make things taste good? Well putting a bunch of butter on the veggies will help. Maybe a ton of sugar and MSG in the sauce will get critics raving. Some kind of heavy carb on the side is usually the options like sour dough bread or a big ass russet potato (nice and buttery too). That is -- if your not just having french fries like everyone else does these days.

Everyone is doing it. Too many young people and ectomorphs get away with this -- and the rest just get fat or are construction workers that do lots of heavy physical work (even then some get fat). So they have no visible reason not to order the fries until their doctor insists they are dying.

Fries are fucking delicious. They are potatos fried in oil with salt -- amazing. All you need is stuff with sugar to dip them in like ketchup and complete that primal desire to seek fat, salt, sugar, in a solidly filling potato. It keeps coming back because there is no nutrition or fiber in them.

People are too weak and stupid to say no to that. Right now there is probably some guy planing to get fries having read that. Maybe fries should be illegal. Just during lunchtime. Bars can sell them or something.

Don't get me started on how fucked up donuts are. Are we really going basically state-sponsor donuts by providing them next to the cofee at every damn government office in America? These damn things kill -- they are the worst of the worst health-wise and they probably put your workforce in a food coma before 5.

actually fries suck since they stopped cooking them in beef fat. fucking vegans.

[Patriam1066]

Hahaha "sent from my iPhone"

I lol'ed

[mickmoranis]

But you do care. You even said if they were someone you loved or as you put it, "liked" you'd even loan them money to help them with their medical costs.

that was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question you gave me about a family member being fat.

Im talkn strangers. I could care less if a stranger is sick.

I also wouldnt lend them money.

but if they were my family that is a different story.

However, even they dont get a pass just because. They might be better off dead IMO.

[Lhancelot]

that was a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question you gave me about a family member being fat.

Im talkn strangers. I could care less if a stranger is sick.

I also wouldnt lend them money.

but if they were my family that is a different story.

However, even they dont get a pass just because. They might be better off dead IMO.

I think it's easy to write such things like this, especially if you never had a loved one in such a position, or you yourself have always been fortunate enough to not be in such a bind.

Over time chances are such trials may come your way, I hope you fair well if you have to face such situations regarding medical expenses, health crisis, etc.

I realize you use hyperbole at times to make your points, but a lot of what you write is not very realistic concerning other people.

I think you apply your own personal experiences to how you think things are or should be in your own mind, when that's simply not understanding the world around you. This gives the appearance you lack empathy, but I feel this is not the case. I think you just lack experience and the wisdom that comes with such experiences.

[JurisDictum]

Because of the high cost and unpredictable nature of medicine -- it's best if we use a collective emergency pot of money to pay for those that happen to need it.

There are some health problems that are more predictable. We should try to prevent the ones we can. It starts with us deciding we are not going to eat fucking french fries, or donuts, or deep fried meats covered in sweet and sour sauce.

But getting hit by a car or having some kind of cancer or tumor...not really predictable. Not realistically. So you can't realistically expect people to save for the eventuality. Making them all buy health insurance is probably the worst way to deal with this problem. But that's what were stuck with because no one has the balls to look the insurance corporations in the eye and say "you're going to have to fire everyone and liquify your assets."

[mickmoranis]

I think it's easy to write such things like this, especially if you never had a loved one in such a position, or you yourself have always been fortunate enough to not be in such a bind.

Over time chances are such trials may come your way, I hope you fair well if you have to face such situations regarding medical expenses, health crisis, etc.

I realize you use hyperbole at times to make your points, but a lot of what you write is not very realistic concerning other people.

I think you apply your own personal experiences to how you think things are or should be in your own mind, when that's simply not understanding the world around you. This gives the appearance you lack empathy, but I feel this is not the case. I think you just lack experience and the wisdom that comes with such experiences.

uh i think you're not reading though, no offence.

Have you payed for someones cancer treatment in your family?

No?

Then dont presume that I am fortunate enough to not have someone in such a bind, i have. I have also not been expected to pay for their cancer treatment. That is how I know I would never feel guilt if a family member were going through the same thing, because of an inibility to make even the most basic of decisions. Such as not eat at mcdonalds.

If they were fat, and dying because of it, i certainly wouldn't even consider paying for their "treatment" to make them not die of fat.

Simply put, if people are dying of heart disease and diabetes, there is no way in hell, im voting for the guy that gives me mandates to pay for their healthcare.

I am right in that line of thinking, hence the inability for us to pass single payer healthcare in the USA

there is a huge difference between us and people in countries where they have that. They recycle, they take care of themselves, they eat healthy, and live safer lives because the government has taken away some of their inalienable rights.

We wont, dont, never will, and will never give up those rights.

So our health costs are astronomical.

And instead of fixing those peoples problems, you spend time bitching at people for being greedy that they dont want to spend all their money fixing someone else, who could take care of themselves on their own but because they are of a weaker stock, wont.

Sorry, no. Hard pass. Wont be voting for cucksanders... thanks for ensuring my decision.

[Pokesan]

uh i think you're not reading though, no offence.

Have you payed for someones cancer treatment in your family?

No?

Then dont presume that I am fortunate enough to not have someone in such a bind, i have. I have also not been expected to pay for their cancer treatment. That is how I know I would never feel guilt if a family member were going through the same thing, because of an inibility to make even the most basic of decisions. Such as not eat at mcdonalds.

If they were fat, and dying because of it, i certainly wouldn't even consider paying for their "treatment" to make them not die of fat.

Simply put, if people are dying of heart disease and diabetes, there is no way in hell, im voting for the guy that gives me mandates to pay for their healthcare.

I am right in that line of thinking, hence the inability for us to pass single payer healthcare in the USA

there is a huge difference between us and people in countries where they have that. They recycle, they take care of themselves, they eat healthy, and live safer lives because the government has taken away some of their inalienable rights.

We wont, dont, never will, and will never give up those rights.

So our health costs are astronomical.

And instead of fixing those peoples problems, you spend time bitching at people for being greedy that they dont want to spend all their money fixing someone else, who could take care of themselves on their own but because they are of a weaker stock, wont.

Sorry, no. Hard pass. Wont be voting for cucksanders... thanks for ensuring my decision.

you aren't rich enough to survive the severing of the social contract. you'll be body armor for soros.

:)

[mickmoranis]

you aren't rich enough to survive the severing of the social contract. you'll be body armor for soros.

:)

to be honest if you dont understand the need for a population culling via world war, then may I introduce you to

https://i.imgur.com/pwVRwM5.jpg

[Ahldagor]

Y'all bitching about food choices when Net Neutrality is fixing to get axed against the will of the majority of the country.

[JurisDictum]

My favorite so far is:

9124

But I get the seriousness of people claiming Obama was secretly gay all along, ruins it a bit. Some of these redneck GoP types are like a sewing circle.

[mickmoranis]

Y'all bitching about food choices when Net Neutrality is fixing to get axed against the will of the majority of the country.

I cannot wait for NN to get axed.

5. The tears are delicious.
4. Im actually liberal in the sence that Im willing to try someone elses ideas.
3. Im going to laugh real hard when nothing happens and the cost of internet goes down.
2. The tears, still delicious.

and the number 1 reason why I am excited about NN getting axed..........

1. Its the fucking internet and its NOT important, its for playing video games and watching old horror movies and if you dont use it for that, NN will not affect you.

You know what.. im gonna edit this and say:

if you use the internet for email/contact/news.. NN will allow you to pay for only those services and cut your bill by almost a thousand percent.

Why pay 40-80 a month for 200 up down, when all you do is read blogs?

I have sad news for yall.... america is gonna LOVE net nutrality.

Libs wont.

but america will.

[Patriam1066]

Y'all bitching about food choices when Net Neutrality is fixing to get axed against the will of the majority of the country.

if it's as arbitrary as changing a rule won't it go back under a dem? I'll confess I don't understand how this works and why it isn't delegated to congress as opposed to a department of the administration

Agreed though. Only thing I hate more than obese people are cable companies like Comcast

[maskedmelon]

Fries are fucking delicious. They are potatos fried in oil with salt -- amazing. All you need is stuff with sugar to dip them in like ketchup and complete that primal desire to seek fat, salt, sugar, in a solidly filling potato. It keeps coming back because there is no nutrition or fiber in them.

People are too weak and stupid to say no to that. Right now there is probably some guy planing to get fries having read that. Maybe fries should be illegal. Just during lunchtime. Bars can sell them or something.

Don't get me started on how fucked up donuts are. Are we really going basically state-sponsor donuts by providing them next to the cofee at every damn government office in America? These damn things kill -- they are the worst of the worst health-wise and they probably put your workforce in a food coma before 5.

this made me laugh ^o^ i dunno what happened to you, but im likin the transformation. it's liek you got a little ATG in you. the second paragraph of your whole post tasted liek it came straight outta ATG. (^。~)b

[mickmoranis]

This is my new favorite Ben Shapiro link. https://youtu.be/oXb4h6cXvX4

[AzzarTheGod]

This is my new favorite Ben Shapiro link. https://youtu.be/oXb4h6cXvX4

lmao

i disagree w him on trans issues, but smilin hard at the dunking he does to that community.

[Pokesan]

too much posts today gimme the cliffs tomorrow

[mickmoranis]

lmao

i disagree w him on trans issues, but smilin hard at the dunking he does to that community.

same, love. His trans choice seems a lot less thought out than most of his others. Gonna be a fun kid to watch for the next 20 years tho.

[Jarnauga]

so stop being a socialist and protecting those weak, stupid, lesser gene pools.

stop protecting these weak lesser women, they deserve to be raped if they choose to dress slutty and spend their days outside their kitchens

vote for moore

:rolleyes:

[Pokesan]

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/man-tries-to-pay-ticket-with-pennies-gets-choked-by-guard-and-defecates-self-attorney

don't do this. nuisance payments aren't allowed.

TIL

[hyejin]

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/man-tries-to-pay-ticket-with-pennies-gets-choked-by-guard-and-defecates-self-attorney

don't do this. nuisance payments aren't allowed.

TIL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6CQRVODln0

[JurisDictum]

So I read the National Review's hit piece on Warren (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454121/elizabeth-warren-native-american-heritage-harvard-fraud). Again trying to make mountains out of molehills on the Native American box being checked on her college application. That and some wobbly over-emotional BS about the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), an unconstitutional monstrosity that was designed to exist above and outside our nation’s system of checks and balances.
Oh boohoo we tried to make an institution that could tell banks to split up -- what a monstrosity and travesty for the country. Except it was always just a in-case institution anyway. No matter -- Republicans killed that and felt good about it.

[Rader]

So I read the National Review's hit piece on Warren (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454121/elizabeth-warren-native-american-heritage-harvard-fraud). Again trying to make mountains out of molehills on the Native American box being checked on her college application.

Pocahontas...probably Trump's best nickname for a libturd so far. The left just HATES snark when it is directed at them, they can dish it out but they have a glass jaw, they can't take a punch.

[Pokesan]

Pocahontas...probably Trump's best nickname for a libturd so far. The left just HATES snark when it is directed at them, they can dish it out but they have a glass jaw, they can't take a punch.

slurs aren't snark

[Rader]

slurs aren't snark

It isn't a slur, dumba$$. Analogy=I am playing basketball with a white friend and he shoots an airball. I say, "Nice shot, LeBron." Is that like calling him the N word? No, I am saying you ain't no LeBron James. Likewise, Trump Is just saying you ain't no squaw, b!tch. Without using the word squaw, which would be a slur, almost. So, in other words, you are a moron.

[Ahldagor]

I cannot wait for NN to get axed.

5. The tears are delicious.
4. Im actually liberal in the sence that Im willing to try someone elses ideas.
3. Im going to laugh real hard when nothing happens and the cost of internet goes down.
2. The tears, still delicious.

and the number 1 reason why I am excited about NN getting axed..........

1. Its the fucking internet and its NOT important, its for playing video games and watching old horror movies and if you dont use it for that, NN will not affect you.

You know what.. im gonna edit this and say:

if you use the internet for email/contact/news.. NN will allow you to pay for only those services and cut your bill by almost a thousand percent.

Why pay 40-80 a month for 200 up down, when all you do is read blogs?

I have sad news for yall.... america is gonna LOVE net nutrality.

Libs wont.

but america will.

Does being developed with tax dollars make it a public entity not privy to the whims of cable companies?

[Ahldagor]

Also, who gives a shit about Elizabeth Warren?

[skarlorn]

1. Its the fucking internet and its NOT important, its for playing video games and watching old horror movies and if you dont use it for that, NN will not affect you.


jesus christ dude cut it out with the double negatives.

You're saying the internet is not important

the internet is for playing games and watching old horror movies

if you use it for that

net neutrality WILL affect you.

Which I'm pretty sure is the opposite of what you're trying to say.

Additionally, you're not addressing the impact that losing net neutrality will have on small business owners. Maybe for the ordinary consumer it won't make a big difference, but you're really a moron if you think it will still be as affordable as it is now to roll out content online for your company.

I thought, as a dogmatic conservative, you were pro small business?

Guess not.

[Pokesan]

It isn't a slur, dumba$$. Analogy=I am playing basketball with a white friend and he shoots an airball. I say, "Nice shot, LeBron." Is that like calling him the N word? No, I am saying you ain't no LeBron James. Likewise, Trump Is just saying you ain't no squaw, b!tch. Without using the word squaw, which would be a slur, almost. So, in other words, you are a moron.

it's a racially charged insult, making it a slur. in other words, you have no idea what snark is, dipshit.

[Lhancelot]

I never watched this ben Shapiro guy, but felt inclined to check him out seeing how many people here seem to idolize him.

I found him entertaining to listen to, he's articulate if not a bit hyperactive in his delivery.

I found comments to him most interesting though, particularly from Trumptards (did I do it right?) that got angry that Shapiro "insulted" Trump when he was critical of Trump lashing out at Elizabeth Warren during a ceremony that was gathered to honor the codetalking Native Americans.

Even Shapiro called Trump a "buffoon" for this. Perhaps it's not racist, but nonetheless it was highly distasteful and cartoonish to decide to use this platform to attack Warren. Shapiro went in great depth on this topic too btw.

This only showcases Trump's lack of empathy and constant need to feed his inner ego by using his platform to tear others down instead of using it to lift others up. It didn't surprise me one bit, he has been a raging narcissist his entire life.

My point is, Trump supporters defend Trump blindly and show no objective critical thinking as Shapiro does on Trump. I have to respect that about Ben Shapiro.

[NachtMystium]

it's a racially charged insult, making it a slur. in other words, you have no idea what snark is, dipshit.

Trump is literally being snark in regards to her >>claiming she's a certain race that she isn't<<. It has to be racially charged to be a relevant comment.

But I guess if I say "Damn, that rachel dolezal want's to be whitney houston so bad lmao" that makes me racist. SURE BUDDY!

[Pokesan]

Trump is literally being snark in regards to her >>claiming she's a certain race that she isn't<<. It has to be racially charged to be a relevant comment.

But I guess if I say "Damn, that rachel dolezal want's to be whitney houston so bad lmao" that makes me racist. SURE BUDDY!

source? she says she has native heritage.

what percent would make it a slur?

[mickmoranis]

jesus christ dude cut it out with the double negatives.

You're saying the internet is not important

the internet is for playing games and watching old horror movies

if you use it for that

net neutrality WILL affect you.

Which I'm pretty sure is the opposite of what you're trying to say.

Additionally, you're not addressing the impact that losing net neutrality will have on small business owners. Maybe for the ordinary consumer it won't make a big difference, but you're really a moron if you think it will still be as affordable as it is now to roll out content online for your company.

I thought, as a dogmatic conservative, you were pro small business?

Guess not.

what I want, or what any of you want is insignifigant to the power of the for.. i mean, ajit pajit.

We have no choice, so just enjoy the ride.

also I am willing to try it out, if it turns out to be terrible, one day after the fire and fury maybe you can try a new system.

It is just going to be one of those things that america does differently than the rest of the world, that the rest of the world is like, why on earth do americans pay for internet like this?

like the way they ask us about how we measure things, or handle healthcare.

what it is, is what it be.

[Patriam1066]

So I read the National Review's hit piece on Warren (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454121/elizabeth-warren-native-american-heritage-harvard-fraud). Again trying to make mountains out of molehills on the Native American box being checked on her college application. That and some wobbly over-emotional BS about Oh boohoo we tried to make an institution that could tell banks to split up -- what a monstrosity and travesty for the country. Except it was always just a in-case institution anyway. No matter -- Republicans killed that and felt good about it.

I will vote for sanders. Won't vote for Warren though. I can't tell you what it is about her, but I think she has a 75 IQ max

[icedwards]

what I want, or what any of you want is insignifigant to the power of the for.. i mean, ajit pajit.

We have no choice, so just enjoy the ride.

also I am willing to try it out, if it turns out to be terrible, one day after the fire and fury maybe you can try a new system.

It is just going to be one of those things that america does differently than the rest of the world, that the rest of the world is like, why on earth do americans pay for internet like this?

like the way they ask us about how we measure things, or handle healthcare.

what it is, is what it be.

"Fucking moron"
-Rex Tillerson

[Ahldagor]

what I want, or what any of you want is insignifigant to the power of the for.. i mean, ajit pajit.

We have no choice, so just enjoy the ride.

also I am willing to try it out, if it turns out to be terrible, one day after the fire and fury maybe you can try a new system.

It is just going to be one of those things that america does differently than the rest of the world, that the rest of the world is like, why on earth do americans pay for internet like this?

like the way they ask us about how we measure things, or handle healthcare.

what it is, is what it be.

Check up on how no net neutrality operates in South Africa. You can't maintain your forum persona on this one since it's an actually unifying topic regardless of the political divide.

[Lhancelot]

I will vote for sanders. Won't vote for Warren though. I can't tell you what it is about her, but I think she has a 75 IQ max

Dumb and a liar. Bad combination.

[mickmoranis]

I love what cucks that have no say in what the fcc is gonna do say to people who aren't pissed off about shit they cannot change.

If you're mad about NN then you're a grade A cuck.

Get your life together.

[fash]

source? she says she has native heritage.

Check with ya boy, Trevor Noah. https://youtu.be/g8Y6JhOVYqw?t=2m10s

[icedwards]

I love what cucks that have no say in what the fcc is gonna do say to people who aren't pissed off about shit they cannot change.

If you're mad about NN then you're a grade A cuck.

Get your life together.

Still a fucking moron.

[fash]

pewdiepie, now notch. These Swedish e-celebs are raising generation zyklon to reclaim their homeland.

https://i.imgur.com/DeoMwzM.png

How dare they!

[Patriam1066]

Check up on how no net neutrality operates in South Africa. You can't maintain your forum persona on this one since it's an actually unifying topic regardless of the political divide.

What's your company's brand name / beer line and is yall's stuff served at The Hay Merchant?

[Pokesan]

pewdiepie, now notch. These Swedish e-celebs are raising generation zyklon to reclaim their homeland.

https://i.imgur.com/DeoMwzM.png

How dare they!

it's a fine thing to say objectively. im white and i agree, it is ok to be white.

but in the context of a cultural movement spurred by agents of the state executing black people in the street, it's a pretty obtuse and insensitive point to make at this time. for reference, i'm referring to "Black Lives Matter" vs "All Lives Matter", which is a big part of how we arrived at this point.

oh "zyklon". yeah i shouldn't have bothered with you, piggy.

[mickmoranis]

it's a fine thing to say objectively. im white and i agree, it is ok to be white.

but in the context of a cultural movement spurred by agents of the state executing black people in the street, it's a pretty obtuse and insensitive point to make at this time. for reference, i'm referring to "Black Lives Matter" vs "All Lives Matter", which is a big part of how we arrived at this point.

oh "zyklon". yeah i shouldn't have bothered with you, piggy.

lol

[JurisDictum]

So,

Black lawmakers wonder why Conyers has to go but not Fraken (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/30/john-conyers-al-franken-congressional-black-caucus-274335)

Good point. Even though Fraken was basically a joke gone awry and Conyers was more straight forward guilty as hell.

[mickmoranis]

Either way as long as we're making excuses for all democrat politicians only, I can feel like a good little libtard

[NachtMystium]

source? she says she has native heritage.

what percent would make it a slur?

Lmao, who doesn't have native heritage? I know I do.
Where do I sign up for diversity bux???

[Lojik]

So I guess that undocumented person who shot the chick in SF was found not guilty. Since he's not a citizen does that mean he can't be sued for civil damages either (not that he has money anyway.)

[jakerees]

So I guess that undocumented person who shot the chick in SF was found not guilty. Since he's not a citizen does that mean he can't be sued for civil damages either (not that he has money anyway.)

Probably just deport him again. I mean, sixth times a charm right?

[Patriam1066]

So I guess that undocumented person who shot the chick in SF was found not guilty. Since he's not a citizen does that mean he can't be sued for civil damages either (not that he has money anyway.)

Any answers as to why he gets to walk free? Fucking San Francisco, Jesus Christ

[mickmoranis]

I'm wondering who's going to be upset about this one....

Libtards mad he stole a gun and killed a white.

Conservs mad he's an illegal.

Libcucks happy that They saved an illegal.

Republicans wonder why when a cop gets off it's racism but now this is justice?

[icedwards]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/ex-trump-adviser-flynn-charged-with-lying-to-fbi-expected-to-plead-guilty-idUSKBN1DV50N

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, the U.S. special counsel’s office charged in a court filing made public on Friday.

The Office of the Special Counsel, which is investigating alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and potential collusion by Trump’s campaign, said a plea hearing for Flynn had been set for 10:30 a.m. EST (1530 GMT) on Friday.

Flynn is expected to plead guilty.

Flynn, a retired Army general who was fired from his White House post in February after revelations he had misled Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with the Russian ambassador, is a central figure in the federal investigation led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The charge against him is another escalation in an investigation that has cast a cloud over the Trump administration since the Republican president took office on Jan. 20.

In a filing with the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the office said Flynn made false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Jan. 24.

Flynn falsely told FBI officials that in December 2016 he did not ask Russia’s ambassador to the United States to refrain from escalating the situation after Washington had imposed sanctions on Moscow, according to the filing.

The sanctions were imposed by outgoing Democratic President Barack Obama.

Flynn, who was a senior adviser to Trump before the president took office, also falsely stated that he did not recall the Russian ambassador telling him that Moscow had chosen to moderate its response to U.S. sanctions as a result of his request, the document alleged.

The filing, dated Nov. 30, also said Flynn falsely stated that he did not ask the Russian ambassador earlier in December to delay a vote or defeat a pending U.N. Security Council resolution, and that the ambassador never described Russia’s response to his request.

Moscow has denied a conclusion by U.S. intelligence agencies that it meddled in the election campaign to try to sway the vote in Trump’s favor. Trump has denied any collusion by his campaign.

[Pokesan]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/ex-trump-adviser-flynn-charged-with-lying-to-fbi-expected-to-plead-guilty-idUSKBN1DV50N

man that's a weak charge...

[mickmoranis]

man that's a weak charge...

is flynn the russian investigation guy the democrats were nutting over before they made the phrase nutting over something illegal cus its sexual harassment that conserves were loling and saying nothing will happen?

[Pokesan]

is flynn the russian investigation guy the democrats were nutting over before they made the phrase nutting over something illegal cus its sexual harassment that conserves were loling and saying nothing will happen?

i mean, that's the same charge papadoplous got...yikes

[JurisDictum]

House Administration Committee Chairman Gregg Harper told his colleagues in a private meeting Friday that one House office paid $84,000 to settle a sexual harassment claim. (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/01/house-sexual-harassment-claim-payout-274452)

[Jarnauga]

https://i.imgur.com/pw19LXb.jpg

Fair and balanced :D

[Pokesan]

The White House has been plagued by several rodent and bug issues (http://www.newsweek.com/white-house-has-roach-mice-infestation-showing-trump-might-be-right-about-it-727758)

The West Wing sitting room was simply described their situation as "RODENT PROBLEM,

[icedwards]

man that's a weak charge...

Part of the plea bargain:

Flynn prepared to testify Trump directed him to contact Russians: ABC

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-testify/flynn-prepared-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-contact-russians-abc-idUSKBN1DV5D1

[mickmoranis]

Fair and balanced :D

"gosh I wish they all focused on the SAME distraction!!!!!!"

shaddap ya libcuck

[icedwards]

"gosh I wish they all focused on the SAME distraction!!!!!!"

shaddap ya libcuck

Mental gymnastics for fucking morons with mickmoranis

https://i.imgur.com/AqugKT5_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[hyejin]

I literally do not know who Michael Flynn is or what is his deal :D

[mickmoranis]

Mental gymnastics for fucking morons with mickmoranis

all these libcucks can do is throw temper tantrums. Im sure you're right on track for impeachment and discovering the secret illuminati reptilians that are manipulating the elections :rolleyes:

[Pokesan]

I literally do not know who Michael Flynn is or what is his deal :D

former general, former NSC head but topically - he's the guy that turned state's on trump admin today. he'll do a short jail term, which is a pretty good deal considering he planned to kidnap some turkish fellow to deliver for execution by erdogran.

[NachtMystium]

Lol I can't wait til it's all literally nothing and they scurry to the next hope that Russia just HAS to be involved, they GOTTA be!!!! Stupid orange drumpf! We'll get you one of these days!!!!

[hyejin]

No I'm actually quite sure the bomb is really gonna drop this time. It's very exciting.

refreshes ad-supported page 15 times.

bores most attractive friends with television regurgitation delivered with great gusto and goes home feeling odd sense of incompleteness and anxiety.

refreshes a new ad-supported page and memorizes even more captivating events for next time.

[Pokesan]

i doubt any level of evidence would convince either of you, i therefore cordially invite you both to suck my balls :-)

[hyejin]

hey I think you're figuring out how to keep me engaged :)

[skarlorn]

I am very PRO russia. I think Russia is a great nation and we should be very close and buddies with them. I think it would be ideal for us to be led by Putin, TBH.

He is a far superior leader than anyone we have had recently.

If DTrump was puppeteered into office by Russia, that's fine with me. It means that Russia will hopefully control him and then our nation to some extent. I have no fear of russia, only love for russia.

[mickmoranis]

we just have to accept the fact that no matter what in 20 years russa will be the world power thanks to those arctic shipping lanes and mineral deposits opening up when the ice finishes melting (because of natural cycles in the earths rotation not man made GW)

[hyejin]

touches knees easily with cheekbones, appearing extra-fit thx to the advantage afforded by their exceptional height and prominence

[Pokesan]

I am very PRO russia. I think Russia is a great nation and we should be very close and buddies with them. I think it would be ideal for us to be led by Putin, TBH.

He is a far superior leader than anyone we have had recently.

If DTrump was puppeteered into office by Russia, that's fine with me. It means that Russia will hopefully control him and then our nation to some extent. I have no fear of russia, only love for russia.

well you shouldn't. they're virulently anti-gay and have a smaller gdp than california. they are cucks.

hey I think you're figuring out how to keep me engaged :)

*sells personality profile to Yum! brands*

[hyejin]

*sells personality profile to Yum! brands*

this 1 generated tears

[JurisDictum]

9150

Boo hoo. Poor Roy is getting set up by dem liberals! That's how important he is apparently ...even though no one knows who the fuck he is.

[AzzarTheGod]

thread success if not just for pokes cracking the Enigma machine G.

could lock & delete now. whale is hooked and rolling his body all over the place in a playful manner.

[jakerees]

Calm down everyone

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-01/abc-makes-epic-mistake-retracts-bombshell-flynn-story

"During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign.

That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots.

It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS."



"Fake News" strikes again

[NachtMystium]

Dems on suicide watch

[Pokesan]

Dems on suicide watch

it's a crushing defeat. only vroom vroom can save us now.

[mickmoranis]

Calm down everyone

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-01/abc-makes-epic-mistake-retracts-bombshell-flynn-story

"During a live Special Report, ABC News reported that a confidant of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn said Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump instructed him to contact Russian officials during the campaign.

That source later clarified that during the campaign, Trump assigned Flynn and a small circle of other senior advisers to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots.

It was shortly after the election, that President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact Russian officials on topics that included working jointly against ISIS."



"Fake News" strikes again

https://youtu.be/vYqpeRlyLOo

[JurisDictum]

I'm kind of iffy on whether or not Flynn matters at all. Is it like a big "I told you so" about Trump being a moron or something? Trump fired him, and everyone knows he's a moron anyway.

Obviously this is just a way to keep the Russian conversation going.

[JurisDictum]

Once again Mitch McConnell -- one of the richest men in the senate despite that he only ever worked for government -- saves the day for Republicans (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/02/how-mcconnell-got-tax-win-276015).

I don't understand how the red necks in Kentucky that vote him in aren't aware that very little happens in Washington without McConnell's approval. He plays ultra conservative card in public and with his voting record. However, behind the scenes hes the big centrist lining up the votes for every fucked up policy since the Bush era.

McConnell is the Republican Hillary Clinton. He's just smart enough not to try to be president.

Edit: Seriously, Hillary would have been a lot better off staying a Senator.

[Patriam1066]

Mental gymnastics for fucking morons with mickmoranis

https://i.imgur.com/AqugKT5_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

gross dude jesus

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm picking pockets in the tourist trap I don't do no zodiacs

[Raavak]

On sale for Christmas.
https://i.imgur.com/t7unHWT.jpg

[JurisDictum]

Reading The Federalist to me -- is like putting a tin bucket over my head and banging the outside with a hammer. Add a banjo in the background that kicks up from time to time and that's what I call The Federalist Experience.

But they did publish this interesting article: I’m A Liberal, And I Agree With Sean Hannity That American Journalism Is Dead

I guess The Federalist doesn't realize that this doesn't mean the Democratic party is doomed. They just don't see the connection to the Sander's populism to come. DNC insiders bet in good with the Sanders butt kissers now if they want to be spared later.

[Pokesan]

Reading The Federalist to me -- is like putting a tin bucket over my head and banging the outside with a hammer. Add a banjo in the background that kicks up from time to time and that's what I call The Federalist Experience.

But they did publish this interesting article: I’m A Liberal, And I Agree With Sean Hannity That American Journalism Is Dead

I guess The Federalist doesn't realize that this doesn't mean the Democratic party is doomed. They just don't see the connection to the Sander's populism to come. DNC insiders bet in good with the Sanders butt kissers now if they want to be spared later.

bernie isnt a democrat

and he woulda won

[mickmoranis]

that win/loss for bernie is like a multiverse splitter type moment.

[AzzarTheGod]

bernie isnt a democrat

and he woulda won

probably. bernie had more appeal than Trump to the heartland and swing states, of which Hillary had absolutely none.

Question is, would Trump go after Bernie the same way Hillary went after Bernie? Using "socialism" and calling him "socialist" as a repetitive slur.

If Hillary were to have been eliminated in the primary, does Trump use her playbook and beat Bernie head to head? Is "he's a socialist" meme adaptable to the Trump campaign or was that just a Hillary elitist California-NYC demo thing. I'm not sure how the heartland would respond to the slur, since we don't educate low info voters on different types of governments, nor is Bernie actually a socialist which adds an extreme layer of difficulty in explaining.

2016 regardless of your politic was a once in a lifetime whopper. We'll retell it decades from now. "remember that time Hillary celebrated her win on a private jet while facing a landslide electoral college loss of epic proportions"...."tell us about it dad!"

[AzzarTheGod]

that win/loss for bernie is like a multiverse splitter type moment.

Exactly.

0bama talks about Forward yet Hillary was a vote for special interests. Puts a stain on Barrack's legacy I'd say.

[Ahldagor]

Exactly.

0bama talks about Forward yet Hillary was a vote for special interests. Puts a stain on Barrack's legacy I'd say.

The folks at the trough aren't done feeding, and Bernie's guests were definately not welcome. Efficient government is for suckers.

[Lhancelot]

probably. bernie had more appeal than Trump to the heartland and swing states, of which Hillary had absolutely none.


MORE appeal? I suppose. Let's be honest both were hideous choices, right? This election was the first time where I honestly felt I had zero choice.

I despised Hillary's fake stupid southern accent when she ran around southern states coupled with her disingenuous faky shit eating grin, she just oozed slimeball. I know enough of her past political history as well as her husbands to understand I wanted nothing to do with her in the White House.

I looked at Trump nearly the same just with slightly different slimeball attributes that made him 100% disgusting to me as a human being. He's nearly the same as Hillary only he is less eloquent in speaking and seems a bit more stupid, but he is adept at trolling on Twitter I guess that is a plus?

Fact is they both are narcissistic lying sociopaths.

When I seen that these two presidential nominees were being propped up before us as a nation, I understood then the puppetmasters truly were in full control of who was to be our president because never have I ever see such a pile of shit to choose from regarding who was to be the next POTUS.

I just hope next selection for POTUS is a bit more believable. Puppetmasters, you can do better!

[JurisDictum]

You guys don't even realize what this tax bill means. It's Republicans signaling that they gave up any chance of getting a popular majority in the near future. The tax code is historically unpopular and I have not even seen good "fake news" reasons why it should be good for anyone. Some garbled B.S. about how trickle-down economics will surely work this time!

Tim Kane* published an article (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/12/03/redefining_winners_and_losers_on_taxes.html): Redefining 'Winners and Losers' on Taxes to convince us. It says that we were looking at it all wrong. Who cares if its better for rich people than poor people -- that point is ...it's good for America

Awww folks...Doesn't that warm your heart?

But the more realistic take is Republicans Are Looting the Treasury While They Still Can (https://www.thenation.com/article/republicans-are-looting-the-treasury-while-they-still-can/). Because they know even if Trump can pull off a re-election somehow -- a lot of them and their lobbyists are pretty much fucked.

*Timothy Joseph "Tim" Kane (born April 28, 1968) is an American economist, currently serving as a research Fellow at the Hoover Institution and editor of Peregrine, a journal on immigration to the United States. He was formerly the chief economist at the Hudson Institute, a Senior Fellow of the Kauffman Institute, and was Director of the Center for International Trade and Economics at the Heritage Foundation. He was the lead editor of the 2007 Index of Economic Freedom, co-published by The Wall Street Journal and the Heritage Foundation, and is the author of the book Bleeding Talent: How the U.S. Military Mismanages Great Leaders and Why It's Time for a Revolution. Kane co-authored the book, Balance: How Great Powers Lost It and How America Can Regain It with Glenn Hubbard

Way to show them how to revolution Kane!

[Patriam1066]

Those lobbyists have both sides bud. Inertia is a hard thing to overcome.

Also, while this tax bill is bad, id love to know why we give tax credits for having children. Pro tip: kids are expensive. Don't have them if you're anywhere near needing that tax credit

[Lhancelot]

Those lobbyists have both sides bud. Inertia is a hard thing to overcome.

Also, while this tax bill is bad, id love to know why we give tax credits for having children. Pro tip: kids are expensive. Don't have them if you're anywhere near needing that tax credit

They need people to have babies who would we send to war without a thriving population...

[Patriam1066]

They need people to have babies who would we send to war without a thriving population...

Mexicans. They'll shit out 5 kids regardless

[Ahldagor]

Mexicans. They'll shit out 5 kids regardless

And thus we have the dreamers.

[Patriam1066]

And thus we have the dreamers.

Where's your company's beer served bud? I need the names of yalls beers, where it's served in midtown/rice village/heights (pretty much anywhere around 610 or within it) and if it's sold in any stores

[NachtMystium]

Just checking in on the dems Suicide watch over the big Flynn nothing burger... *writes in log* "did check, all okay at the moment, continue monitoring for safety purposes*

[Ahldagor]

Where's your company's beer served bud? I need the names of yalls beers, where it's served in midtown/rice village/heights (pretty much anywhere around 610 or within it) and if it's sold in any stores

These four are what you'd likely find in market at the moment.
Blue Testament, American Pilsner
Satyr's Swill, German Bock
Hopostle, American IPA
Sweet Salvation, brown ale


Those top three are the three most in Market. That area is tough to crack for us for varying reasons. The Downtown Specs usually has us in stock tho'. We have more brands (like a schwarzbier and traditional roggenbier and our pilot system brews that donxt get dumped) on at the brewery if you want to make a little trip up to the Kingwood/Porter area (not that far or long of a drive).

[JurisDictum]

Crux's: Cast Out (formerly Outcast) IPA and Half Hitch Mosaic IPA (link (https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/crux-cast-out-formerly-outcast-ipa/208062/))

Those are the best IPAs in Oregon ATM that are widely spread. The state pretty much specializes in Micro-brewery IPA. Most brands overdo the hops trying to stand out. Crux seems to know more isn't always better in the hop category.

[Ahldagor]

Crux's: Cast Out (formerly Outcast) IPA and Half Hitch Mosaic IPA (link (https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/crux-cast-out-formerly-outcast-ipa/208062/))

Those are the best IPAs in Oregon ATM that are widely spread. The state pretty much specializes in Micro-brewery IPA. Most brands overdo the hops trying to stand out. Crux seems to know more isn't always better in the hop category.

More hops is definately not a general solution, and if you see anything above 113 IBU's then it's a marketing ploy since 113 is the maximum amount of isomerized alpha-acid hops can give to a wort.

[Ahldagor]

Bring back prohibition

You can do better. Sadly, USA lost its taste for beer and spirits during that time. Kind of now starting to get it back, lol.

[AzzarTheGod]

now drop dunks on it, now drop dunks on it

repeat x2

[Raavak]

Franken about gone finally. Why wasn't he gone with the first accuser or even why elected? He has had the reputation as a creep since at least the SNL days. He used to talk about putting quaaludes into girls drinks at parties and walking through a crowded room feeling asses. He's a reprobate. How do you even vote for this ass?

[Patriam1066]

You can do better. Sadly, USA lost its taste for beer and spirits during that time. Kind of now starting to get it back, lol.

I just had an Irish coffee at lunch. I prefer beer but it was festive and sometimes you have to go with the mood of the table

Fucking montrose though, one drink $11

[Raavak]

Ut oh!

https://i.imgur.com/FL6aIbU.jpg

[AzzarTheGod]

Franken about gone finally. Why wasn't he gone with the first accuser or even why elected? He has had the reputation as a creep since at least the SNL days. He used to talk about putting quaaludes into girls drinks at parties and walking through a crowded room feeling asses. He's a reprobate. How do you even vote for this ass?

lol they were just talking about Franken running for president too.

"Franken 2020!" *chokes on lewd diq*

what a joke

[fash]

Franken about gone finally. Why wasn't he gone with the first accuser

He's a special oppressed minority with a senate seat, goy.

[mickmoranis]

http://alien-community.com/aliens/russia-reveals-antarctica-not-told/

[Ahldagor]

I just had an Irish coffee at lunch. I prefer beer but it was festive and sometimes you have to go with the mood of the table

Fucking montrose though, one drink $11

Damn! What whiskey was in it? Montrose's revitalization is starting to go to that area's head, but it sparked a city wide movement that was desperately needed.

[JurisDictum]

lol they were just talking about Franken running for president too.

"Franken 2020!" *chokes on lewd diq*

what a joke

Edit: BTW -- Trump screwed any facade of a peace process in the Middle East we had going (recognizing the Israeli capital). But I guess that bullshit about Mr.Funnypants being replaced by some other centrist numbskull those dumb fucks in Minnesota. I guess your pretty retarded out there don't ya know. Thinking Frakin was on our side and going to be the President and shit...HHAHAHA

[Patriam1066]

Damn! What whiskey was in it? Montrose's revitalization is starting to go to that area's head, but it sparked a city wide movement that was desperately needed.

Jameson. I don't like montrose so much, although el tiempo is pretty much the only Mexican food I'll eat (not a fan of Mexican food)

If you PM me the address of a spec's or any other place that sells yalls beer I'll go buy them out for my Christmas party and spread the word. Also, if it's good I'll start drinking it myself. I only buy texas beers

Edit: BTW -- Trump screwed any facade of a peace process in the Middle East we had going (recognizing the Israeli capital). But I guess that bullshit about Mr.Funnypants being replaced by some other centrist numbskull those dumb fucks in Minnesota. I guess your pretty retarded out there don't ya know. Thinking Frakin was on our side and going to be the President and shit...HHAHAHA

There never was a Middle East peace process. I don't get trump. He's definitely an Israeli puppet, but now he's telling the Saudis to stop blockading Yemen. On the one hand it's clear the administration is giving Israel and the Saudis carte blanche to act against Iran but at the same time...

Anyway I don't have a fucking clue what this administration is doing foreign policy wise

[Patriam1066]

Nevermind, just checked yalls website and found a spec's near me with your stuff

[Ahldagor]

Nevermind, just checked yalls website and found a spec's near me with your stuff

Nice.

I'm not sure all of this isn't to drive up the price of oil along with OPEC's proclaimed production cuts.

[mickmoranis]

Lol al Frankenstein down.

Definitely a charade to prep him for presidential run in 2020

He won’t survive the campaign after showing the independent voters he has balls the size of raisins after this tho

[Raavak]

https://i.imgur.com/N2pM8Wo.jpg

Let me show you the door. Oops, that was the doorframe. Oops again. Oops, wow, I'm clumsy.

Dirty, pathetic, evil old man.

The bad part about him leaving so soon as the full extent of his perverse indiscretions will never come to light.

[Ahldagor]

Trump jr is claiming attorney client privelage on a convo with his father....lol.

[jakerees]

Worth noting that Franken hasn't resigned yet, only said he will be resigning "in the coming weeks"

Leaving the door open to do a wait and see with how the Roy Moore election plays out. Wouldn't be shocked if he changes his mind on resigning if Moore got elected.

[Patriam1066]

Worth noting that Franken hasn't resigned yet, only said he will be resigning "in the coming weeks"

Leaving the door open to do a wait and see with how the Roy Moore election plays out. Wouldn't be shocked if he changes his mind on resigning if Moore got elected.

It's a very bad look that the republicans endorse a pedophile and the Dems want a guy to resign based on accusations and no proof. This country is going to shit fast. Texas needs to secede ASAP and use lockheed's operation in ft worth to crush the rest of you and save the United States from (((cultural decay)))

[JurisDictum]

Were in a two party system. That would suck...except

Party doesn't mean shit in this country. Presidential candidates and their supporters can spearhead changes in either party. So you just have to get like 34% of the country to agree with the important parts of your agenda.

Every year voters get smarter because of the internet. They are going through that process of getting lied to and losing faith in most politicians. Some are even getting to the point where they see it is all a big shell game with the economy.

Eventually the populists will take over. But I think you guys need millenials to age into voting a bit. We fell for every stupid democrat centrist full empty promises put in front of us so far. But I think the next round we will have more demands.

[Nibblewitz]

Nah, all they need is a new iphone or a new season of stranger things to launch at the beginning of November.

[AzzarTheGod]

Nah, all they need is a new iphone or a new season of stranger things to launch at the beginning of November.

lmao 720

[Raavak]

https://i.imgur.com/j8f9qIx.jpg

[Pokesan]

https://i.imgur.com/j8f9qIx.jpg

the socialists(strasserists) were purged my man

u need to lay off dsouza's pipe :)

[mickmoranis]

Trump solving the worlds problems https://www.nknews.org/2017/12/north-korea-seeking-direct-talks-with-u-s-russian-fm/

[Raavak]

the socialists(strasserists) were purged my man

u need to lay off dsouza's pipe :)Uhm, no. The socialists ruled the country, until Hitler put a bullet in his own head. Hitler LOOOOVED him some socialism. Spoke on it, wrote on it. He praised socialism in Mein Kampf. The Third Reich forced socialism on Germany and was far more socialist than any current country in Western Europe.

Socialism is the cornerstone of fascism. When Hitler visited Mussolini in '34 he was in awe of all he had done. Idiots will point to Mussolini leaving the Italian Socialist Party and speaking against that Party... saying that made him anti-socialist. Completely wrong, as Italy had a tyrannical command and control economy that hunted down capitalists like animals. He left the party because they weren't brutal enough.

Anyway, Hitler learned from this and took it back to Germany, where he was just a fledgling tyrant, and started his "reforms" in which he and the industrialists allied to take control of the economy, largely gearing it for war, and steering resources to the war machine.

Most things the Nazi's did were progressive. There wasn't that much that could be called reactionary, some of the valkyrie shit, the Roman salute and stuff. But Nazi's brought universal healthcare, built the worlds first superhighways, created the People's Car, supplied abortion on demand, built lavish government buildings, expanded scientific research, promoted the arts, etc, all progressive things.

Nationalism isn't right wing or left wing, its the opposite of globalism. Its like fingernails on a chalkboard when i hear n00bs get that wrong. Same with populism, whose opposite is like oligarch-ism or something.

I haven't read Dsouza (occasionally see him on tv), but I have Jonah Goldberg, Leonard Read, Ben Stein, Dr Kissinger, Milton Friedman, etc, etc, etc who have written on the subject.

[Patriam1066]

Haha nice list of "thinkers" buddy

A (((diverse))) lineup

ps: snowing in Houston can't wait to see dumb asses who can't drive on the road tomorrow

[Pokesan]

Uhm, no. The socialists ruled the country, until Hitler put a bullet in his own head. Hitler LOOOOVED him some socialism. Spoke on it, wrote on it. He praised socialism in Mein Kampf. The Third Reich forced socialism on Germany and was far more socialist than any current country in Western Europe.

Socialism is the cornerstone of fascism. When Hitler visited Mussolini in '34 he was in awe of all he had done. Idiots will point to Mussolini leaving the Italian Socialist Party and speaking against that Party... saying that made him anti-socialist. Completely wrong, as Italy had a tyrannical command and control economy that hunted down capitalists like animals. He left the party because they weren't brutal enough.

Anyway, Hitler learned from this and took it back to Germany, where he was just a fledgling tyrant, and started his "reforms" in which he and the industrialists allied to take control of the economy, largely gearing it for war, and steering resources to the war machine.

Most things the Nazi's did were progressive. There wasn't that much that could be called reactionary, some of the valkyrie shit, the Roman salute and stuff. But Nazi's brought universal healthcare, built the worlds first superhighways, created the People's Car, supplied abortion on demand, built lavish government buildings, expanded scientific research, promoted the arts, etc, all progressive things.

Nationalism isn't right wing or left wing, its the opposite of globalism. Its like fingernails on a chalkboard when i hear n00bs get that wrong. Same with populism, whose opposite is like oligarch-ism or something.

I haven't read Dsouza (occasionally see him on tv), but I have Jonah Goldberg, Leonard Read, Ben Stein, Dr Kissinger, Milton Friedman, etc, etc, etc who have written on the subject.

this feels pasted and i fucking hope it is. very stupid.

[AzzarTheGod]

That moment when u think ur droppin knowledge and pokes Molotov's your ass like you're the Panama papers journalist in Malta

[Ahldagor]

ps: snowing in Houston can't wait to see dumb asses who can't drive on the road tomorrow

Was a blanket in Tomball this morning. How was it in your neck of the woods?

[Raavak]

https://i.imgur.com/KpJfN9h.jpg

[mickmoranis]

the modern liberal: "No you dont understand that is socialism, or communism, not democratic socialism"

meanwhile:

https://i.imgur.com/EbQoTFS.png

[JurisDictum]

Aww shit -- who knew that there would be a group of radical kids that want to break shit in a country of 400 million people.

[AzzarTheGod]

Aww shit -- who knew that there would be a group of radical kids that want to break shit in a country of 400 million people.

lmao solid dunks

[Ahldagor]

Lol, tracing the line of angry youth who haven't had to pay bills yet nor vote. Yeah, folks listen to them. Lolololololololol.

[JurisDictum]

David Brooks outlines why the bullshit story that Republicans didn't bother with this time, actually does matter:

Compare the tax cuts of the supply-side era with the tax cuts of today. There were three big cuts in the earlier era: the 1978 capital gains tax cut, the Kemp-Roth tax cut of 1981, and the 1986 tax reform. They were passed with bipartisan support, after a lengthy legislative process. All of them responded to the dominant problem of the moment, which was the stagflation and economic sclerosis. All rested on a body of serious intellectual work.

Liberals now associate supply-side economics with the Laffer Curve, but that was peripheral. Supply-side was based on Say’s Law, that supply creates its own demand. It was based on the idea that if you rearrange incentives for small entrepreneurs you are more likely to get start-ups and more innovation. Those cuts were embraced by Nobel Prize winners and represented an entire social vision, favoring the dispersed entrepreneurs over the concentrated corporate fat cats.

Today’s tax cuts have no bipartisan support. They have no intellectual grounding, no body of supporting evidence. They do not respond to the central crisis of our time. They have no vision of the common good, except that Republican donors should get more money and Democratic donors should have less.

The rot afflicting the G.O.P. is comprehensive — moral, intellectual, political and reputational. More and more former Republicans wake up every day and realize: “I’m homeless. I’m politically homeless.”

Deniable plausibility. It was least plausible that tax cuts for the rich were to help the country in the Reagan era. Hell, even George W. pulled it off...even then there was some eye rolling.

But this Trump era shit...there's just zero pretense. "Yea were corrupt so were cutting taxes for our donors" -- everyone knows that's the story. It's not like some creeping suspicion in the back of the average voter's head, it's the official story.

Brooks article: The G.O.P. Is Rotting (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/opinion/the-gop-is-rotting.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2 Fopinion)

[Rader]

David Brooks outlines why the bullshit story that Republicans didn't bother with this time, actually does matter:



Deniable plausibility. It was least plausible that tax cuts for the rich were to help the country in the Reagan era. Hell, even George W. pulled it off...even then there was some eye rolling.

But this Trump era shit...there's just zero pretense. "Yea were corrupt so were cutting taxes for our donors" -- everyone knows that's the story. It's not like some creeping suspicion in the back of the average voter's head, it's the official story.

Brooks article: The G.O.P. Is Rotting (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/opinion/the-gop-is-rotting.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2 Fopinion)

Taxes are theft. Cutting taxes is always a good thing. You F-ing socialist communist pigs can go F off for all I care.

[Pokesan]

Taxes are theft. Cutting taxes is always a good thing. You F-ing socialist communist pigs can go F off for all I care.

blue lives matter. don't be anticop you prick!

[JurisDictum]

Taxes are theft. Cutting taxes is always a good thing. You F-ing socialist communist pigs can go F off for all I care.

Oh yea that's a great attitude to have. Let's just give away all these massive tax-funded projects like television networking, the internet, international trade, electric grids and dams. And then we can give those same motherfuckers disportionate tax breaks.

And it's all good because same day it will be our turn to get tax cuts -- right boss? NO -- it's never the middle class turn for a big tax cut. They need that money for their next big government project their going to hand out. And then that guy and going lobby away your tax cut.

So you must really enjoy getting fucked to cop and attitude like this about the tax plan.

BTW our "populist" president is a crowning example of a born elitist taking advantage of corrupt taxes in New York. He is fucking landed gentry with no intention of harming his own class.

He didn't do anything for anyone else -- but he got em their tax cuts just like he promised at the steak restaurant didn't he? Those are his people.

[Pokesan]

blair walsh is a hate crime

[AzzarTheGod]

David Brooks outlines why the bullshit story that Republicans didn't bother with this time, actually does matter:



Deniable plausibility. It was least plausible that tax cuts for the rich were to help the country in the Reagan era. Hell, even George W. pulled it off...even then there was some eye rolling.

But this Trump era shit...there's just zero pretense. "Yea were corrupt so were cutting taxes for our donors" -- everyone knows that's the story. It's not like some creeping suspicion in the back of the average voter's head, it's the official story.

Brooks article: The G.O.P. Is Rotting (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/opinion/the-gop-is-rotting.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2 Fopinion)

Hella dunks

[Rader]

Oh yea that's a great attitude to have. Let's just give away all these massive tax-funded projects like television networking, the internet, international trade, electric grids and dams. And then we can give those same motherfuckers disportionate tax breaks.

And it's all good because same day it will be our turn to get tax cuts -- right boss? NO -- it's never the middle class turn for a big tax cut. They need that money for their next big government project their going to hand out. And then that guy and going lobby away your tax cut.

So you must really enjoy getting fucked to cop and attitude like this about the tax plan.

BTW our "populist" president is a crowning example of a born elitist taking advantage of corrupt taxes in New York. He is fucking landed gentry with no intention of harming his own class.

He didn't do anything for anyone else -- but he got em their tax cuts just like he promised at the steak restaurant didn't he? Those are his people.

I never said that corporate welfare is a good thing. Typical Libturd argument tactic, throw up some bogus strawman to bash when you have no other comeback. Surprised you didn't call me a racist bigot, though. Are you not feeling well?

[Patriam1066]

I never said that corporate welfare is a good thing. Typical Libturd argument tactic, throw up some bogus strawman to bash when you have no other comeback. Surprised you didn't call me a racist bigot, though. Are you not feeling well?

I'm not sure how he could've possibly misconstrued your support for either version of the GOP tax bill as support for corporate welfare. Maybe it's the permanent and disproportionate cuts in corporate taxes compared to individual rates for the middle class. I guess we'll never know!

God bless!

[Rader]

I'm not sure how he could've possibly misconstrued your support for either version of the GOP tax bill as support for corporate welfare. Maybe it's the permanent and disproportionate cuts in corporate taxes compared to individual rates for the middle class. I guess we'll never know!

God bless!

I support lower taxes, period. For corporations and for individuals. As for the current GOP proposal, I haven't looked at it and wasn't commenting on it. US politics suck and I don't waste my time worrying about what this F'd up country does any more, I just look forward to when I can leave next. Looking forward to my next vacation which is to Thailand in February.

[AzzarTheGod]

Looking forward to my next vacation which is to Thailand in February.

Woke. U gonna plank some ase over there or what?

[Pokesan]

patriam has quietly taken over best poster status. head for the workshop bois.

[Domo]

How likely is it that Trump will get fired?

I dont have much clue about american politics, but I know it happend few times already.

Anyway, it would be nice if someone could give me a kind of neutral answer, and not a "HES SEND BY JESUS" or "THEY SHOULD LOCK HIM UP RIGHT NOW" one. Hope you know what I am trying to say.

[JurisDictum]

How likely is it that Trump will get fired?

I dont have much clue about american politics, but I know it happend few times already.

Anyway, it would be nice if someone could give me a kind of neutral answer, and not a "HES SEND BY JESUS" or "THEY SHOULD LOCK HIM UP RIGHT NOW" one. Hope you know what I am trying to say.

For that to happen -- Republicans in USA will have to be signaling their desire to impeach. So far it appears that mostly Democrats are interested in impeachment.

Democrats are kind of our international party as well. By that -- I mean most of the people that work in International Affairs are Democrats. So the world gets a bit of Democrat spin with their USA information from these people. I think it is a similar situation in other countries.

[AzzarTheGod]

Woke. U gonna plank some ase over there or what?

serious question. if u are then be man enough to own it. u claim to be some billy badass quasi conservative libertarian on this forum.

[Supreme]

Oh yea that's a great attitude to have. Let's just give away all these massive tax-funded projects like television networking, the internet, international trade, electric grids and dams. And then we can give those same motherfuckers disportionate tax breaks.

And it's all good because same day it will be our turn to get tax cuts -- right boss? NO -- it's never the middle class turn for a big tax cut. They need that money for their next big government project their going to hand out. And then that guy and going lobby away your tax cut.

So you must really enjoy getting fucked to cop and attitude like this about the tax plan.

BTW our "populist" president is a crowning example of a born elitist taking advantage of corrupt taxes in New York. He is fucking landed gentry with no intention of harming his own class.

He didn't do anything for anyone else -- but he got em their tax cuts just like he promised at the steak restaurant didn't he? Those are his people.

There is no such thing as a real "tax cut" for anyone. It just means that the taxes are going to be shifted (one way or another) to someone else. Consumers pay nearly 80% of the taxes in the US through embedded taxes. Embedded taxes are those taxes businesses pass down through the cost of goods and services. So by cutting taxes on corporation it is the best way to symbolically cut taxes on the largest group of tax-payers...the middle class.

If you believe that ANY politician has your interest at heart you are bat-shit stupied. Politicians become Politicians to get wealthy. Trump did not become President because the Populist movement supported him, he was the ONLY choice that was not the establishment. As opposed to a candidate that became wealthy because politics (ie. Clinton), Trump could not be bought as he was already wealthy. At least THAT is the hope.

Everyone has a consensus that the overall direction of this country is going the wrong way..now which is right remains to be seen. But real change only happens when we move away from the norm and embrace something entirely different.

Trump is a good start.

[Lojik]

How likely is it that Trump will get fired?

Pretty damn unlikely IMO, at least for the next year or probably even 3 years. If he wins reelection in 2020 then maybe a chance he gets fired if Dems pick up a lot of seats? I mean look at this tax bill that is probably going to go through that has something like a 20% approval rating from the voter base.

Trump is pretty much toeing the party line and republicans are in power, and in the next elections in 2018 I don't think many republicans are even up for reelection so unlikely dems can gain the majority. Even if they could impeach, it's unclear if Mike Pence is even a better alternative (or anyone the GOP could throw forward.)

The only way I see it happening is if something definite comes to light about this russia collusion thing and that it definitely happened prior to his election.

[Domo]

Thanks for your opinion JurisDictum & Lojik.

What really suprices me, is that Trump is visting his own Hotels with the Secret-Service and make the taxpayers pay for each vist.
I mean thats a clearly sign of nepotism.
But it seems not to be a big issus in the USA?!
Or are there no hotels who would accept Trump as a guest?

[JurisDictum]

There is no such thing as a real "tax cut" for anyone. It just means that the taxes are going to be shifted (one way or another) to someone else. Consumers pay nearly 80% of the taxes in the US through embedded taxes. Embedded taxes are those taxes businesses pass down through the cost of goods and services. So by cutting taxes on corporation it is the best way to symbolically cut taxes on the largest group of tax-payers...the middle class.

If you believe that ANY politician has your interest at heart you are bat-shit stupied. Politicians become Politicians to get wealthy. Trump did not become President because the Populist movement supported him, he was the ONLY choice that was not the establishment. As opposed to a candidate that became wealthy because politics (ie. Clinton), Trump could not be bought as he was already wealthy. At least THAT is the hope.

Everyone has a consensus that the overall direction of this country is going the wrong way..now which is right remains to be seen. But real change only happens when we move away from the norm and embrace something entirely different.

Trump is a good start.

The price of something is determined by what people will pay for it. I'm not saying S/D controls everything -- quite the opposite. What this means is: People will only pay a certain amount for milk. As well, people will overpay a certain amount in certain areas. This is how pricing works these days. It's usually done with secret price agreements reached by an oligopoly.

When business says: "raising taxes -- we'll just pass it down to the customer" -- that's a talking point some policy advisor told them to say not the god's honest truth. Sometimes they do pass the tax on to the customer -- but only if it makes since to. They aren't going to charge $2 more for shitty cheap milk because not enough are going to pay 6$ instead of 4$.

Now when all cigarettes are taxed at a flat rate -- price goes up. When the corporate tax raises...cigarettes stay the same price. It depends on the product or the situation.

Corporate tax are popular because when a company gets rich -- it can often pay high levels of tax without negatively impacting prices or salaries of individuals. But that is a ground level view.

The macro view does show how corporate taxes are a way for the rich to put taxes on the expense account instead of paying them on an individual basis. But what Trump did: Cut tax for corporations, Cut tax for individuals (rich ones mostly), and didn't raise hardly any taxes except demolishing home ownership breaks and other breaks (none of them are going to be the ones his donors use).

So yea we got rid of corporate tax...but it isn't accompanied by a shift to taxing the wealthy -- we didn't really make a whole a lot of progress. Unless of course our masters in Washington are planning to let the democrats raise the taxes on the wealthy again.

That would be the virtuous cycle -- getting rid of bad taxes with Republicans and getting good taxes with Democrats. But it requires people understanding there are good taxes and bad taxes. Anyone who doesn't already own a house? Trump just costed you way more money than you ever are going to get in his breaks.

[Nibblewitz]

As a source of federal revenue, corporate taxes pale in comparison to individual taxes. Since the effective corporate tax rate is already hovering around 20%, I view the tax reform legislation less as a money grab for the rich and more of an absolution for corporate tax evasion.

[Supreme]

The price of something is determined by what people will pay for it. I'm not saying S/D controls everything -- quite the opposite. What this means is: People will only pay a certain amount for milk. As well, people will overpay a certain amount in certain areas. This is how pricing works these days. It's usually done with secret price agreements reached by an oligopoly.

When business says: "raising taxes -- we'll just pass it down to the customer" -- that's a talking point some policy advisor told them to say not the god's honest truth. Sometimes they do pass the tax on to the customer -- but only if it makes since to. They aren't going to charge $2 more for shitty cheap milk because not enough are going to pay 6$ instead of 4$.

Now when all cigarettes are taxed at a flat rate -- price goes up. When the corporate tax raises...cigarettes stay the same price. It depends on the product or the situation.

Corporate tax are popular because when a company gets rich -- it can often pay high levels of tax without negatively impacting prices or salaries of individuals. But that is a ground level view.

The macro view does show how corporate taxes are a way for the rich to put taxes on the expense account instead of paying them on an individual basis. But what Trump did: Cut tax for corporations, Cut tax for individuals (rich ones mostly), and didn't raise hardly any taxes except demolishing home ownership breaks and other breaks (none of them are going to be the ones his donors use).

So yea we got rid of corporate tax...but it isn't accompanied by a shift to taxing the wealthy -- we didn't really make a whole a lot of progress. Unless of course our masters in Washington are planning to let the democrats raise the taxes on the wealthy again.

That would be the virtuous cycle -- getting rid of bad taxes with Republicans and getting good taxes with Democrats. But it requires people understanding there are good taxes and bad taxes. Anyone who doesn't already own a house? Trump just costed you way more money than you ever are going to get in his breaks.


Corporations do not get rich..shareholders get rich..and most shareholders are the middle class through mutual funds and investments (retirement) accounts.

To put it simply Corporations do not pay taxes unless they sell something. If a corporation does not sell anything and does not generate any revenue then they pay 0 tax. Tax breaks for corporations improve shareholders value, increases employment and create a welcoming business environment.

But i see you are fully subjective in your view about this issue and it does not matter what anyone else could say to convince you otherwise.

[JurisDictum]

Corporations do not get rich..shareholders get rich..and most shareholders are the middle class through mutual funds and investments (retirement) accounts.

To put it simply Corporations do not pay taxes unless they sell something. If a corporation does not sell anything and does not generate any revenue then they pay 0 tax. Tax breaks for corporations improve shareholders value, increases employment and create a welcoming business environment.

But i see you are fully subjective in your view about this issue and it does not matter what anyone else could say to convince you otherwise.

It goes Sale (- sales tax) --> Revenue (- business expenses + corporate tax) --> Profit/shareholders (who then get personally taxed).

So no, corporate taxes are not the same as individual taxes. That was my point you seem to be trying to argue with. Yes corporate tax can cut into the shared pie of profit (although not if your claiming they just "pass on" corporate taxes to the little guy). But its not the same as taxing your individual piece of pie.

But if taxes are to be progressive (i.e. the rich pay more proportion of their income than not so rich), they have to be done individually. Otherwise you have business picking up the tab for shareholders making millions dollars off of the business.

By that I mean, taxes come from somewhere right? Right now, the system is set up to tax a business instead of a person (to the degree that we relay on corporate tax). I have said in the past its good to shift taxes off of business and onto people.

What Trump is doing is "starving the beast" though. It's a Reagan strategy where you purposefully create a revenue shortage so you have an excuse later to cut otherwise popular programs.

He cut the corporate tax rate without replacing them properly. Just empty trickle down promises.

Edit: I'm also not a big fan of sales tax. And it should be illegal not to include tax in advertised prices. I'm sick of the "fake price" on everything. If you live in Oregon for awhile you'll see how nice it is not to be nickle and dimed all day.

[Lojik]

Price elasticity will affect how much of a tax is eaten by consumer or producer, yes, but even if a producer eats a higher percentage of the tax dollar cost you'll still have to pay for that tax in other means, whether it's reduced product availability, reduced quality, increased transactions costs, etc.

On the corporate tax yes I kind of agree, the effects of a higher corporate tax rate are probably less clear than one would imagine between write offs for business expenses and transfer pricing practices of some of the biggest US corporations. For smaller corporations that can't navigate the US tax code as well the corporate tax rate is more of a burden and I do think it hinders small business. I agree as well that taxing businesses isn't as effective as targeting individuals.

I'd imagine there are companies that would find it worthwhile to come back to the US to incorporate, so the lower corporate tax rate would be somewhat offset with a higher pool to tax from.

[JurisDictum]

Let me be clear. The best thing Trump did in this plan was lower corporate tax. I just think the rest of it stunk. He is kind of setting up the Dems to look like massive taxers. IDK wtf I should expect though.

Here is the pragmatic reason we have corporate taxes: We get actually get them. When you go after people's individual money -- they take it more personal. So it can be harder to keep up with the bullshit and actually get them to pay up.

So Trump did the easy part and not the hard part.

[Raavak]

I'm sure some corporations will return from their foreign tax havens, but I'm not sure how many or what impact that will make.

Concepts like deadweight loss to taxes and the Lauffer Curve have validity, but the amount of revenue to the treasury the tax cuts will produce is anyones guess.

[JurisDictum]

The thing to keep in mind about global competition when it comes to corporate tax rates...The main factor corporations consider is the cost of doing business in the country. Corporate tax rates are just one lens of expense. America is going to be more expensive because of things like wage rates, regulation, and simple cost of location.

So I'm definitely skeptical its going to end up with a net balance on tax revenue. The deficit is totally going up. The Republicans aren't going to shut up about this once their out of power again.

Edit: Generally rich countries provide highly educated overseers for the upper class's investment projects...also known as upper and middle management. Also, skilled labor that takes a great deal of capital to do (making apple chips). This is how we maintain our trade advantage. We are not doing as well at keeping up as the more "socialist" countries, however (Germany Sweden etc). I use "" because they are actually capitalist countries with a dash of socialism in them.

My edit went though after Raavak's comment

[Raavak]

The USA labor force is one of the more skilled and educated in the world. Most of what is produced there still is higher tech than what you might get out of Malaysia or China. This negates the some of the effects of the higher cost of doing business there. You aren't going to get Woopie Cushion manufacturers back. But you might entice, say, GE Healthcare.

I know Ford Motors cancelled plans to build a plant in Mexico. This affected me personally because we were supplying die parts for there. But they returned to re-order those for a US location. We might see more along these lines.

[hyejin]

Corporations do not get rich..shareholders get rich..and most shareholders are the middle class through mutual funds and investments (retirement) accounts.

To put it simply Corporations do not pay taxes unless they sell something. If a corporation does not sell anything and does not generate any revenue then they pay 0 tax. Tax breaks for corporations improve shareholders value, increases employment and create a welcoming business environment.

But i see you are fully subjective in your view about this issue and it does not matter what anyone else could say to convince you otherwise.

quote this post if u know what supreme looks like and find it funny

[Mistle]

Shout-out to political mastermind Steve Bannon for losing Alabama to a pro-choice Democrat.

Shoulda stuck to selling plat, Steve.

[Pokesan]

#notmysenator #resist

[JurisDictum]

Shout-out to political mastermind Steve Bannon for losing Alabama to a pro-choice Democrat.

Shoulda stuck to selling plat, Steve.

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[Patriam1066]

Shout-out to political mastermind Steve Bannon for losing Alabama to a pro-choice Democrat.

Shoulda stuck to selling plat, Steve.

Glad the dude who hits on 14-year-olds at the mall lost. There is hope it seems

[Xaanka]

roy more lost because alabama was sick of him anyway. he had bad optics before the allegations. but it also kind of shows that more boomers need to die off before any real change can be made.

but lol if anyone genuinely believes the allegations against roy moore. or any allegation raised against a republican during an election represented by gloria (((allred))) ever. if anyone else is representing that case, yeah i'll take it seriously. but if (((allred))) is representing it, that means that nobody else in the country would touch it. if (((allred))) represents an allegation against someone it means they're probably a safe person to let babysit your kids.

for most lawyers having her kind of case history would have been the end of their career long ago, but she's made her career out of representing and actively seeking out women to make false allegations during elections. she's been doing this for several decades and there have been hundreds of cases represented by her brought forward and blasted through the media, but none of them ever end in convictions or anything. quietly in about 1-2 months (((allred))) will drop the case against moore, and you'll never hear about it again. the media won't tell you about it, certainly not to the extent they told you about the allegations, etc.

if anyone doesn't believe me i'll challenge you: ban yourself for 1 year if the case gets dropped, and i'll never post again if moore is convicted.

a good example of this would be the 2012 election. a lot of new people are paying attention to politics now, which is cool, but a lot of people don't remember events that only took place a few years ago so i'll give you a refresher:

in 2012 Herman Cain was the frontrunner in the election and started polling ahead of the Chosen Golden Boy Obama. then all of the sudden women started coming forward saying he sexually harassed or abused them etc. two at first, then 4, then more each and every day non stop.every one of these cases was represented by (((allred))). Cain dropped out and the republican party ran with sandback cuck Mitt Romney who had no chances of competing with Obama during the election's projected black turnout. a few months after the election it came out that every single allegation was false and not a single one ended in conviction or even went to trial.

that's how we got stuck with obama for 8 years. thank the republican party for cucking out.

the point is baby boomers and GOPe cucks are borderline retarded lemming-brains, not any better than your average leftist. GOPe has no interest in doing anything other than being the controlled-opposition rhino party. i think everyone already knew this though.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4RJlMt.jpg

[Xaanka]

i'm sure a lot of lefties are just rolling with it to countersignal but its pretty funny that some of them genuinely believe the allegations and think moore should have stepped down. when the democratic party has run multiple child rapists in elections this year. ed murray anyone? he raped something like 8 crack addicted teenage boys in the 80's while working as a social worker, and his own cousin, and they ran him until his own cousin went on tv. the democratic party had no issue running with that guy. there was another one like that too. weird there hasn't been a lot of moral panic about those allegations, which have actually been proven true, from the left.

hell i don't believe in taking unfounded allegations as truth myself, but if we're going to say allegations against people like moore should be taken at face value to be "on the safe side" why aren't leftists alarmed that over 75% of the people being named in metoo allegations are jewish democrats? and the rest male feminist democrats? that's not bullshit either, if you look at the list of people accused its totally true.

some of these #metoo's are really dope though. i know a few random celeb accusers and as far as i'm aware they're all telling the truth. the #metoo thing is definitely a more grassroots, genuine thing. the moore+allred thing has more been the democratic party's way of capitalizing on it.

[NachtMystium]

Xaanka with those solid dunks

Why is noone talking about Flynn anymore?

[Rader]

serious question. if u are then be man enough to own it. u claim to be some billy badass quasi conservative libertarian on this forum.

I will have a wonderful time there and be sad to leave. Maybe I will wise up and stay there, this time.

[Pokesan]

if anyone doesn't believe me i'll challenge you: ban yourself for 1 year if the case gets dropped, and i'll never post again if moore is convicted.



https://i.imgur.com/yNXGWED.jpg

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/yNXGWED.jpg

i like this game

[hyejin]

roy more lost because alabama was sick of him anyway. he had bad optics before the allegations. but it also kind of shows that more boomers need to die off before any real change can be made.

but lol if anyone genuinely believes the allegations against roy moore. or any allegation raised against a republican during an election represented by gloria (((allred))) ever. if anyone else is representing that case, yeah i'll take it seriously. but if (((allred))) is representing it, that means that nobody else in the country would touch it. if (((allred))) represents an allegation against someone it means they're probably a safe person to let babysit your kids.

for most lawyers having her kind of case history would have been the end of their career long ago, but she's made her career out of representing and actively seeking out women to make false allegations during elections. she's been doing this for several decades and there have been hundreds of cases represented by her brought forward and blasted through the media, but none of them ever end in convictions or anything. quietly in about 1-2 months (((allred))) will drop the case against moore, and you'll never hear about it again. the media won't tell you about it, certainly not to the extent they told you about the allegations, etc.

if anyone doesn't believe me i'll challenge you: ban yourself for 1 year if the case gets dropped, and i'll never post again if moore is convicted.

a good example of this would be the 2012 election. a lot of new people are paying attention to politics now, which is cool, but a lot of people don't remember events that only took place a few years ago so i'll give you a refresher:

in 2012 Herman Cain was the frontrunner in the election and started polling ahead of the Chosen Golden Boy Obama. then all of the sudden women started coming forward saying he sexually harassed or abused them etc. two at first, then 4, then more each and every day non stop.every one of these cases was represented by (((allred))). Cain dropped out and the republican party ran with sandback cuck Mitt Romney who had no chances of competing with Obama during the election's projected black turnout. a few months after the election it came out that every single allegation was false and not a single one ended in conviction or even went to trial.

that's how we got stuck with obama for 8 years. thank the republican party for cucking out.

the point is baby boomers and GOPe cucks are borderline retarded lemming-brains, not any better than your average leftist. GOPe has no interest in doing anything other than being the controlled-opposition rhino party. i think everyone already knew this though.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4RJlMt.jpg

i'm sure a lot of lefties are just rolling with it to countersignal but its pretty funny that some of them genuinely believe the allegations and think moore should have stepped down. when the democratic party has run multiple child rapists in elections this year. ed murray anyone? he raped something like 8 crack addicted teenage boys in the 80's while working as a social worker, and his own cousin, and they ran him until his own cousin went on tv. the democratic party had no issue running with that guy. there was another one like that too. weird there hasn't been a lot of moral panic about those allegations, which have actually been proven true, from the left.

hell i don't believe in taking unfounded allegations as truth myself, but if we're going to say allegations against people like moore should be taken at face value to be "on the safe side" why aren't leftists alarmed that over 75% of the people being named in metoo allegations are jewish democrats? and the rest male feminist democrats? that's not bullshit either, if you look at the list of people accused its totally true.

some of these #metoo's are really dope though. i know a few random celeb accusers and as far as i'm aware they're all telling the truth. the #metoo thing is definitely a more grassroots, genuine thing. the moore+allred thing has more been the democratic party's way of capitalizing on it. I just woke up from a dream involving u 5 mins ago. firearms and jokes. Dreamstate tasted cheery ^^

[Xaanka]

I just woke up from a dream involving u 5 mins ago. firearms and jokes. Dreamstate tasted cheery ^^

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[Pokesan]

mike cernovich for prison