******Official politics thread ******

[Kaveh]

Illegal immigration is down despite a good economy and a high labor demand. That's probably correlated to how harsh trump is being st the border

The next step is to bring the drones down south and hit illegals with hellfires and to invade Mexico to create a 20 mile no man's land where anyone who enters gets shelled

Hope this helps. No one gets to break the law

[Nibblewitz]

Also, democracy isn't the same monster as representative democracy.

[skarlorn]

i climbed a mt. everest worth of elevation while u were eating too many calories in Barack Hussein Obama's home town

i ate a good amount, but not too many. i split a small deep dish with a good friend. I'd like you to know that almost all of my free time in chicago was spent walking. i walked 15 miles in the course of 2.5 days while i was there.

[DinoTriz]

Easily disproved as false and misleading. (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-law-family-separation-detention-minors/)

[I]Simply put, Subtitle E of Public Law 107-296 (establishing the Department of Homeland Security, DHS) placed immigration and related functions in the scope of the newly established agency. Section G of Subtitle E defined the term “unaccompanied alien child” as a minor under the age of 18, lacking lawful immigration status in the US, and primarily, an individual for whom “there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States” or “no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.” This did not mandate that children be separated from their families, but instead, created a legal classification for children with no parent or guardian present or for whom no parent or legal guardian was available to provide care and custody.


Did you read the law (or just blindly regurgitate was Snopes shoves down your throat)?

The law plainly says "no parent or legal guardian in the United States"

Their guardian that they come over with isn't in the United States. They do not reside in the United States.

[skarlorn]

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILD SEPARATION IS A STRONGARM NEGOTIATION TACTIC.

Trump will trade this to Dems in exchange for them supporting his more moderate, helpful ideas to combat illegal immigration.

(wall)

[Nibblewitz]

Kim got nothing on our hermit kingdom.

[DinoTriz]

Kim got nothing on our hermit kingdom.

having a border = hermit kingdom

the absolute state of Leftists today

[skarlorn]

*enforce borders and laws*

democrats SHRIEK. "america should be saving the world!"

*negotiate denuclearization and legitimate peace talks in the most volatile region of asia, which is the gateway to ww3*

democrats DON'T CARE.

[icedwards]

Did you read the law (or just blindly regurgitate was Snopes shoves down your throat)?

The law plainly says "no parent or legal guardian in the United States"

Their guardian that they come over with isn't in the United States. They do not reside in the United States.

The law says nothing about your parent or legal guardian having to reside in the United States. It simply refers to an absence of said parent or legal guardian. Again, nothing about actually separating children from parents either, but whatever, good try at obfuscation.

[skarlorn]

dems: WE NEED WORLD PEACE. NO MORE WAR IN THE MID EAST!

also dems: PUTIN IS ABSOLUTE EVIL. WE NEED TO FIGHT RUSSIA THE ENEMY

trump: WE NEED A STRONG MILITARY.

also trump: I JUST TURNED A POTENTIAL WAR INTO PEACE AND WANT TO BECOME FRIENDLIER WITH OUR COMPETITORS

[Nibblewitz]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html

State of Left sucks.

It's all about that State of Far Left.

[DinoTriz]

The law says nothing about your parent or legal guardian having to reside in the United States. It simply refers to an absence of said parent or legal guardian. Again, nothing about actually separating children from parents either, but whatever, good try at obfuscation.

"an individual for whom “there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States” or “no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.”

Try reading it.

[Kaveh]

You have no rights if you cross the border illegally

People don't get exemption from laws because photos of children crying tug at your heart strings. Hope this helps!

TRUMP 2020. Regime change in Mexico

[Nibblewitz]

why do you say this?

because the politicians whom they elect actively work against their interests while insisting they are oppressed.


the latter is a poorly modulated adaptation of the former. the representatives act as a crude filter, shoddily seiving some of the more malignant luncacies from public policy.

Founding father Washington disagreed and warned of politicians lacking a spine in his farewell address. Our representatives need to vote their conscience, not the cacophony of the loudest voices.


i dunno why, but i feel like most of your comments are structured to make me argue with myself ^^

Your posts provoke thoughts in me too :D

[skarlorn]

nibblew itz is a fucking troll and shadow politician who orchestrated the destruction of the class R rotation by introducing the Gorenaire tarrif. BE WARNED, MELON.

hail washington

[Nibblewitz]

loot council >> democracy

[Irulan]

I made my Imperial (Empire) into a democracy (little d) because all my potential federation allies were shitty about me being an authoritarian slaver and I wanted to up my 'unity' generation so I could push advancement. I had to abolish slavery though. My people are less productive, but they're happier, however they're probably going to wish they remained Imperial when the bad interdimensional aliens pop in. And they are now unruly and all want different things constantly.

TBQH I much preferred the Empire.

[Wonkie]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html

State of Left sucks.

It's all about that State of Far Left.

this will backfire spectacularly. inland california is crazy as hell.

[icedwards]

"an individual for whom “there is no parent or legal guardian in the United States” or “no parent or legal guardian in the United States is available to provide care and physical custody.”

Try reading it.

Let me walk you through this one step-by-step (hint: it's super duper easy for anyone with an elementary level reading comprehension):

1) Where is the individual's (ie. child's) parent or legal guardian?
2) Where, either in the entirety of Public Law 107-296 or in Section G Subtitle E (which you continue to reference) does it advocate for the separation of children from their parents or legal guardians if both detained in the United States?

[DinoTriz]

Let me walk you through this one step-by-step (hint: it's super duper easy for anyone with an elementary level reading comprehension):

1) Where is the individual's (ie. child's) parent or legal guardian?
2) Where, either in the entirety of Public Law 107-296 or in Section G Subtitle E (which you continue to reference) does it advocate for the separation of children from their parents or legal guardians if both detained in the United States?

1) They aren't in the United States. They may have stepped foot on federal land, but they do not reside in the United States.

2) Read:

SEC. 462. CHILDREN’S AFFAIRS.
(a) TRANSFER OF FUNCTIONS.—There are transferred to the
Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement of the Department
of Health and Human Services functions under the immigration
laws of the United States with respect to the care of unaccompanied
alien children that were vested by statute in, or performed by,
the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization (or any officer,
employee, or component of the Immigration and Naturalization
Service) immediately before the effective date specified in subsection
(d).
(b) FUNCTIONS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Pursuant to the transfer made by subsection
(a), the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement
shall be responsible for—
6 USC 279.
Deadline.
Deadline.
Deadline.
6 USC 278.
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PUBLIC LAW 107–296—NOV. 25, 2002 116 STAT. 2203
(A) coordinating and implementing the care and placement
of unaccompanied alien children who are in Federal
custody by reason of their immigration status, including
developing a plan to be submitted to Congress on how
to ensure that qualified and independent legal counsel
is timely appointed to represent the interests of each such
child, consistent with the law regarding appointment of
counsel that is in effect on the date of the enactment
of this Act;
(B) ensuring that the interests of the child are considered
in decisions and actions relating to the care and
custody of an unaccompanied alien child;
(C) making placement determinations for all unaccompanied
alien children who are in Federal custody by reason
of their immigration status;
(D) implementing the placement determinations;
(E) implementing policies with respect to the care and
placement of unaccompanied alien children;
(F) identifying a sufficient number of qualified individuals,
entities, and facilities to house unaccompanied alien
children;
(G) overseeing the infrastructure and personnel of
facilities in which unaccompanied alien children reside;
(H) reuniting unaccompanied alien children with a
parent abroad in appropriate cases;
(I) compiling, updating, and publishing at least
annually a state-by-state list of professionals or other entities
qualified to provide guardian and attorney representation
services for unaccompanied alien children;
(J) maintaining statistical information and other data
on unaccompanied alien children for whose care and placement
the Director is responsible, which shall include—
(i) biographical information, such as a child’s
name, gender, date of birth, country of birth, and
country of habitual residence;
(ii) the date on which the child came into Federal
custody by reason of his or her immigration status;
(iii) information relating to the child’s placement,
removal, or release from each facility in which the
child has resided;
(iv) in any case in which the child is placed in
detention or released, an explanation relating to the
detention or release; and
(v) the disposition of any actions in which the
child is the subject;
(K) collecting and compiling statistical information
from the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland
Security, and the Department of State on each department’s
actions relating to unaccompanied alien children;
and
(L) conducting investigations and inspections of facilities
and other entities in which unaccompanied alien children
reside.
(2) COORDINATION WITH OTHER ENTITIES; NO RELEASE ON
OWN RECOGNIZANCE.—In making determinations described in
paragraph (1)(C), the Director of the Office of Refugee
Resettlement—
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116 STAT. 2204 PUBLIC LAW 107–296—NOV. 25, 2002
(A) shall consult with appropriate juvenile justice
professionals, the Director of the Bureau of Citizenship
and Immigration Services, and the Assistant Secretary of
the Bureau of Border Security to ensure that such determinations
ensure that unaccompanied alien children
described in such subparagraph—
(i) are likely to appear for all hearings or proceedings
in which they are involved;
(ii) are protected from smugglers, traffickers, or
others who might seek to victimize or otherwise engage
them in criminal, harmful, or exploitive activity; and
(iii) are placed in a setting in which they are
not likely to pose a danger to themselves or others;
and
(B) shall not release such children upon their own
recognizance.
(3) DUTIES WITH RESPECT TO FOSTER CARE.—In carrying
out the duties described in paragraph (1)(G), the Director of
the Office of Refugee Resettlement is encouraged to use the
refugee children foster care system established pursuant to
section 412(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.
1522(d)) for the placement of unaccompanied alien children.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section may be
construed to transfer the responsibility for adjudicating benefit
determinations under the Immigration and Nationality Act (8
U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) from the authority of any official of the Department
of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, or the
Department of State.
(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—Notwithstanding section 4, this section
shall take effect on the date on which the transfer of functions
specified under section 441 takes effect.
(e) REFERENCES.—With respect to any function transferred by
this section, any reference in any other Federal law, Executive
order, rule, regulation, or delegation of authority, or any document
of or pertaining to a component of government from which such
function is transferred—
(1) to the head of such component is deemed to refer
to the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement; or
(2) to such component is deemed to refer to the Office
of Refugee Resettlement of the Department of Health and
Human Services.
(f) OTHER TRANSITION ISSUES.—
(1) EXERCISE OF AUTHORITIES.—Except as otherwise provided
by law, a Federal official to whom a function is transferred
by this section may, for purposes of performing the
function, exercise all authorities under any other provision
of law that were available with respect to the performance
of that function to the official responsible for the performance
of the function immediately before the effective date specified
in subsection (d).
(2) SAVINGS PROVISIONS.—Subsections (a), (b), and (c) of
section 1512 shall apply to a transfer of functions under this
section in the same manner as such provisions apply to a
transfer of functions under this Act to the Department of Homeland
Security.
(3) TRANSFER AND ALLOCATION OF APPROPRIATIONS AND PER- SONNEL.—The personnel of the Department of Justice employed
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PUBLIC LAW 107–296—NOV. 25, 2002 116 STAT. 2205
in connection with the functions transferred by this section,
and the assets, liabilities, contracts, property, records, and
unexpended balance of appropriations, authorizations, allocations,
and other funds employed, held, used, arising from, available
to, or to be made available to, the Immigration and Naturalization
Service in connection with the functions transferred
by this section, subject to section 202 of the Budget and
Accounting Procedures Act of 1950, shall be transferred to
the Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement for allocation
to the appropriate component of the Department of Health
and Human Services. Unexpended funds transferred pursuant
to this paragraph shall be used only for the purposes for which
the funds were originally authorized and appropriated.
(g) DEFINITIONS.—As used in this section— (1) the term ‘‘placement’’ means the placement of an
unaccompanied alien child in either a detention facility or an
alternative to such a facility; and
(2) the term ‘‘unaccompanied alien child’’ means a child
who—
(A) has no lawful immigration status in the United
States;
(B) has not attained 18 years of age; and
(C) with respect to whom—
(i) there is no parent or legal guardian in the
United States; or
(ii) no parent or legal guardian in the United
States is available to provide care and physical custody.

[DinoTriz]

these lizard perverts have a section in the law for "Children's Affairs". that is what we are really dealing with when we talk politics. and U are worried about "issues".

Moloch did nothing wrong.

HAIL SATAN

[icedwards]

1) They aren't in the United States False. They are also being detained in the United States. They may have stepped foot on federal land, but they do not reside in the United States. Please see comment below

The law says nothing about your parent or legal guardian having to reside in the United States. It simply refers to an absence of said parent or legal guardian. Again, nothing about actually separating children from parents either, but whatever, good try at obfuscation.

No where in your second response did you link, highlight or reference any law, statute or comment on separation of children from their parents or legal guardians.

D-, please see me after class.

[Wonkie]

i dont care about this can we talk about something else

[DinoTriz]

No where in your second response did you link, highlight or reference any law, statute or comment on separation of children from their parents or legal guardians.

D-, please see me after class.

dey turk our jerbs...is that what you want me to say??

DEY TURK OR JERRRRBS

[Raavak]

The border noise right now is just a media smokescreen. Nothing's appreciably changed in 20-odd years despite what they are reporting. When one hand waves watch the other.

[JurisDictum]

If the establishment Democrats can't cast Trump as racist,

WTF are they going to talk about?

Free college and healthcare? The DNC is in agreement with hard-line libertarians of the globe, can't do it. That's a poney. We can spend over x3 times that on new military expenditures, but not at home.


I guess they don't teach people about Guns and Butter in Eco 101 anymore.

[Irulan]

i dont care about this can we talk about something else

“Look at Me!”, a distortion-drenched squawl of DIY shock-rap that cracked the Top 40 in early 2017, more than a year after it had been first released on SoundCloud. When the track began its unlikely rise, XXXTentacion was in prison for violating a house-arrest agreement, and word soon circulated through the hip-hop underground of his lengthy rap sheet, which also included charges of armed home invasion, robbery, burglary, possession of a firearm, and <b>possession of oxycodone.</b>

R.I.P.

[DinoTriz]

R.I.P.

I think if you're a rapper with face tattoos, your death shouldn't be reported on.

[mickmoranis]

Is icetards still talking about mexican pizza gate like its not some bullshit he saw on MSNBCFOXNEWS?

Cool, also i heard obama was a muslim :eyeroll:

GET A REAL LIFE libtards. Stop pantomiming earlly 2000's fox news watchers like you arent a bunch of planet of the apes orangutans that just throw poopoo on each other and imitate everything that excites you.

[DinoTriz]

That's better.

What's better? ;)

[Irulan]

I can't even troll anymore. There is no subtlety or mystery. It's just basically a well of sadness and despair that swirls around #45.

I mean I found a jewish blog who was talking about the Nazi and Trump, but it's just not funny.

https://forward.com/opinion/403515/yes-you-should-be-comparing-trump-to-hitler/

??? I mean this is pretty boring stuff, it's like basically easy to essentially accept the premise without much debate, so what's the point? Who cares?

Also, the ICE propoganda over at Vox looks pretty nice for those kids, they do have a clean place to sleep, and hamburgers.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video

[mickmoranis]

Liberals want us to be like Scandinavia because of socialism.

Conservatives want us to be like Scandinavia because they are an apex western white nationalist styled civilization.

Both get mad at each other for trying to suggest we imitate them in america at all...

[skarlorn]

Stop pantomiming earlly 2000's fox news watchers like you arent a bunch of planet of the apes orangutans that just throw poopoo on each other and imitate everything that excites you.

[skarlorn]

I can't even troll anymore. There is no subtlety or mystery.

There is an incredible amount of subtlety and mystery involved with #45. I suggest you gitgud

[DinoTriz]

Liberals want us to be like Scandinavia because of socialism.

Conservatives want us to be like Scandinavia because they are an apex western white nationalist styled civilization.

Both get mad at each other for trying to suggest we imitate them in america at all...

The Nordic countries were neutered a long time ago. Except for Denmark.

Denmark has a chance to redeem itself.

[mickmoranis]

video of democrats learning how the real world works: https://www.facebook.com/Kyoot/videos/1950633188328641/

[mickmoranis]

Will this administration stop caging asylum seekers??? All this racoon wanted was a break from the stress of the concrete jungle down below.

https://i.imgur.com/eGjHJbi.png

[Mblake1981]

From this,
https://i.imgur.com/G7Viv6P.jpg?1

To this,
'Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom' Cut Lesbian Reveal

Star Daniella Pineda said in an interview with Build that a line of dialogue that was cut from the film would have revealed her character Zia Rodriguez was a lesbian.

"I understood why they cut it — for sake of time. It's me and Chris Pratt and we are in a military vehicle with all of these mercenaries," she told Build. "I look at Chris and am like, 'Yeah. Square jaw. Good bone structure. Tall. Muscles. I don't date men, but if I did, it would be you. It would gross me out, but I would do it.'"

"..clever girl" the aussie said softly as he realized a raptor was about to kill him. What happened next was a scene of outright horror and savagery. The raptor burst from her thick jungle cover and began to profess about her love of gash licking.

The bloody screams of the hunter could be heard from a distance.

Like the last seasons of Seinfield, these creations start of really good but later devolve into parodies or intense mockery of its own self. It is best to leave these creations where they were, when they were decent.

[mickmoranis]

From this,
https://i.imgur.com/G7Viv6P.jpg?1

To this,

'Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom' Cut Lesbian Reveal

Star Daniella Pineda said in an interview with Build that a line of dialogue that was cut from the film would have revealed her character Zia Rodriguez was a lesbian.

"I understood why they cut it — for sake of time. It's me and Chris Pratt and we are in a military vehicle with all of these mercenaries," she told Build. "I look at Chris and am like, 'Yeah. Square jaw. Good bone structure. Tall. Muscles. I don't date men, but if I did, it would be you. It would gross me out, but I would do it.'"
Quote:
"..clever girl" the aussie said softly as he realized a raptor was about to kill him. What happened next was a scene of outright horror and savagery. The raptor burst from her thick jungle cover and began to profess about her love of gash licking.

The bloody screams of the hunter could be heard from a distance.
Quote:
Like the last seasons of Seinfield, these creations start of really good but later devolve into parodies or intense mockery of its own self. It is best to leave these creations where they were, when they were decent.



jesus the real horror is this: Pineda further admitted that she doesn't know yet if Zia will be returning in Jurassic World 3

https://i.imgur.com/oIpp5zH.gif

[DinoTriz]

I always liked Curb Your Enthusiasm more than Seinfeld

[skarlorn]

CYE more fun to me too. i guess i'm too jung to appreciate the sitcom nature of seinfeld. friends had a lot sexier ppl.

[mickmoranis]

Yep it's unanamous. Cye > S

Also these two nurgas are gonna just go to war with us, right? https://twitter.com/nknewsorg/status/1009240929847390208?s=19

[mickmoranis]

Liberals try to prove they're morally superior by spreading this vid but all it does is prove conservatives superior perspective on mexicanpizzagate https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1009243460472393729?s=19

[Wonkie]

Liberals try to prove they're morally superior by spreading this vid but all it does is prove conservatives superior perspective on mexicanpizzagate https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1009243460472393729?s=19

https://i.imgur.com/qLfRr4g.jpg

[Wonkie]

i don't see this as conflicting with what I said. democracy is "rule by fools." the hope is that fools are sufficiently varied, uninformed and lazy enough that their delusions cancel one another out, allowing the estranged whispers of sensibility to flutter in through the void. unfortunately social media, information technology, nihilism and declining mean IQs are swatting the gnat of reason before it even has a chance to hatch.

https://i.imgur.com/U7mq4m9.jpg

[Irulan]

Do you think easy safe luxurious lives full of delicious carbs and fats lower the mean IQ generationally and cause us to breed or shift natural selection to effectively store mass at the loss of functional brain capacity and motor control?

There seems to be a bottle neck on the size of an animal and its ratio to its brain size.

I think our ancestors really hit this apex and sacrificed a lot of sheer strength and mass an fat storage to maintain the most advanced and developed nervous system and fine motor control. This is when classical music broke on the scene.

It seems if an animal develops too rapidly or stores a lot of fat it limits their potential brain development because it has to divert most of its metabolism away from maintaining a very hungry and active nervous system into expensive growth and storage systems.

Oddly enough, modern humans are typically 20% leaner in BMI than apes and whales. But all this seems to be changing because it's incredibly easy to maintain a BMI over 40%

Squids and octopi are sort of an exception to the general biological rules of brain development mammals are limited by. Not sure how or why.

[skarlorn]

i know why octopi are exceptions

but i'm not telling

[DinoTriz]

Democracy cannot be the source of strife since it would appear that strife long predates democracy. Nevertheless, there is a nugget of truth in there snuggled up against the central theme of islam: submission. Liberty creates strife. Man is not a free creature. Always he is burdened with need. When his need is met, he finds new need. He is driven to progress and when he is set at a starting point well beyond all tangible progress, he is compelled to fabricate deficiency such that he might strive to overcome it or be damned to the malaise of nihilism.

That is where your quote and Islam are right. There is great release in surrender. That is not to say that man harbors some latent desire for mistreatment or abuse. To the contrary, each of us want to be cared for, to be valued and used in the way that we are best. For some, that means freedom of choice, using others to their fullest potential. For others, it is freedom from choice, being used to one's fullest potential. We glorify the former, while scoffing at the latter. Contemporary American individualism is the bane of happiness.

Freedom or Security: Pick one and enjoy the ride.

[DinoTriz]

Sneaky propagandists...

https://i.imgur.com/WnZfrqs.png

[DinoTriz]

*gets turned on by Islam*

the safe word is "Muhammad was really a Jew".

[mickmoranis]

I seriously hope the left takes the fake news story about separated families at the boarder all the way to 2020 cus

1. If you're not #resisting you know it's fake news
2. If you're not #resisting you respect that the law is being followed not just arbitrarily enforced when someone feels like it.
3. If you're #resisting you already know who you're voting for in 2020
4. If you're not #resisting, the anti right slander of "everyone who disagrees with us is less moral!" partisan anger will only encourage you to stay away from the booth or to vote against fascist Democrats that are trying to divide the country with obvious fake news lies about how literally we're gas chambering assylem seekers.

Hail trump!!

[Patriam1066]

Separating families at the border has at least something to do with the fact that despite a good economy and high demand for labor, illegal immigration is down

It amazes me what pussies this country is composed of. Iran sends 14 year old afghans to Syria or deports their families. You guys let Detroit children drink lead but insist that illegals should have rights and be allowed to come here

Drone strike illegals

[Nibblewitz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaaWd1G8M9A

[Wonkie]

Separating families at the border has at least something to do with the fact that despite a good economy and high demand for labor, illegal immigration is down

It amazes me what pussies this country is composed of. Iran sends 14 year old afghans to Syria or deports their families. You guys let Detroit children drink lead but insist that illegals should have rights and be allowed to come here

Drone strike illegals

legacy ruined and iran will get pantsed today

yikes

[Patriam1066]

legacy ruined and iran will get pantsed today

yikes

Spain delenda est but I admit its a possibility

Illegals are ugly, prove me wrong

[DinoTriz]

A big reason why these kids are being held is because grabbing a kid and claiming he is your son happens to be a pretty popular trend.

It's saving a lot of kids from human trafficking.

[Patriam1066]

Illegals should be enslaved until they pay back whatever they owe for detainment and court cost. Then be fired out of a cannon back to Central America

[mickmoranis]

"When someone breaks the law, we should send their whole family to prison together so we don't separate them!"

Says North Korea & the liberals.

[DinoTriz]

Illegals should be enslaved until they pay back whatever they owe for detainment and court cost. Then be fired out of a cannon back to Central America

Thanks to Leftist outrage they think we will behead and barbecue their children, so maybe they'll just stop showing up?

Finally, the Left and Right can unite to solve a problem!

Making America Great Again, one step at a time.

[DinoTriz]

we could just not imprison people too. we could. *nods sincerely*

In a perfect situation, everyone would prefer that option.

How would deter people from crossing the border illegally?

[skarlorn]

welcome back patriam. holesum was sending me desperate pms begging me to self-destruct my accounts by posting the huge black cock pics (that she provided).

needless to say i knew this was not the measure which would bring you back to us. yahweh bless.

ON TOPIC:

I admit that there is going to be some trauma for these children. But children are more resilient than cuck Dems believe. I, for instance, held 2 illegal immigrants at gunpoint amid a brush of cactus and mesquite at the same age which these children are being held in detainment centers which provide them all the necessities of life, comradery... it's better than the bullshit their parents put them through to get there. Lord smile upon us.

But this number is in the thousands, not in the millions. So it's a small issue, probably being blown out of proportion. It seems like a very good way to DISCOURAGE illegal immigrants who continue trying to sneak into MY COUNTRY. In the past, they would go anyway without giving a thought to the expense to our nation's great people (such as myself and Patriam).

Now, the people who are unwilling to face the corruption and violence in their own country have a different thought.

This is a quote from a reuters article I read last night.

The (ILLEGAL) says, "You leave with the intention of going to the US, where you can improve your life and that of your sons," he said, flanked by his two boys. "But as things stand today, it's difficult, because if you get caught they take your kids away. I think i'm going to stay here, in Mexico, and establish myself."

This last part is a real kicker. Wow. Stay and establish yourself!

Here's the problem.

1) we can't turn legal immigrants into serfs anymore. this means that we have to restrict the flow of immigrants because the inevitably rape the welfare system. america is founded on generational serfdom.

2) illegal immigrants can still be used at serfs, and ARE, especially by left-leaning people (((sad)))

3) it's not america's burden to unshackle the world from terrible government and crime. this is the exact overextension of our imperial power that Dems love to think they hate. Someone could argue that the political unrest in those countries is ALL AMERICA'S fault.

Wrong. Grossly oversimplified. LatinoAmerica has legacy steeped in corruption and barbarism.

Hope this helps out. SEND EM BACK

[mickmoranis]

we could just not imprison people too. we could. *nods sincerely*

Wait not imprison people? Just have open borders? Let anyone do anything?

No crimes? No law? Freedom to call a transgender a male if you don't believe them when they tell you they're female?

Freedom to have as many or whatever type of gun you want?

Or are we talking if you're brown you can do whatever and we go after white people? We imprison them?

I just do the understand the arguments being made by the left:

No rule of law! Let social media and the crowds sort out your crimes and your punishment!

Oh wait.. that last one is what they think we should do.

Worked great when people were accused of witch craft.

[skarlorn]

No mick, let me make it clear.

NO BORDERS, NO PRISON, but only if (((I))) feel bad for that individual.

RULE OF LAW governed by the MASS OPINION informed by NANNYSTATE MEDIA

[skarlorn]

it's not too emotuionally disruptive for me

these are criminals hiding behind their innocent children to try and coerce my NATION

get out!

[mickmoranis]

1st report: 1500 children seperated from families!

oh wait turns out they were crossing the boarder on their own and had no family and were mostly 14-17 years old

ok second report then: 2000 seperated by trump!

oh wait that was just a false news story, no evidence of that at all anywhere.

FINE third report: hundreds may be seperated!

"may be" "hundreds"

ah so this is the truth, none have been lost, none are actually seperated, and it looks like maybe some could get lost in the cracks hypothetically at some point maybe.

[katrik]

Womp womp

[Raavak]

10s of thousands of kids killed by Democrats a year and we worry about a few hundred? smh

[mickmoranis]

The last one.

When you cross the border and you are a minor, if you are acompnied by an adult and are seeking asylum you are granted it.

Only certain countries qualify for asylum, thats the way all countries do it, all of them. So lets not get into an argument about who you think deserves to seek asylum, there are entire pannels of lawyers that do that. Non profits, its a totally fine process, we dont need to act like its a brand new thing just because liberals have no idea how the goverment works at all.

SO yeah, seek asylum, get it.

NOW if you are trying to cross the border then you are detained.

If you have a kid, they are detained.

But right now thanks to an Obama Erra policy the law says that if you detain a family you have to put the kids in a separate facility, IF YOU CANNOT find a living relative.

Up untnil now obama was also doing catch and release, which means if they caught you they would just bus you back across the boarder and then you could do it again and if you get caught you just keep doing that until you dont get caught.

BUT since they are not doing that anymore, they have to follow the law that obama setup, to put kids in a kid center and adults in an adult center.

I get it that libs are mad about this, but they need to realise it was THEIR fault that this is happening and instead of acting like they are of a higher moral authority, realize that they just need to change that law.

Its not about who is right or wrong, WE DID THIS as a nation together. And we cant change laws over night, there are all sorts of checks and balances in all forms of goverment.

They just dont understand this at all!

Lastly, and the most important.... famlies are not being seperated, nor are kids being "lost" a bunch were caught and released durring the obama administration, and those are not accounted for. THOSE are the kids that got lost.

Under obama.

But the left blames trump.

And there is only 1 reason why they do.

Because to them this PROVES that trump IS a nazi and that they are gas chambering kids and its our duty to stand up against tyranny, even though the tyranny is fake, and we should rise up and attack the opressors and start civil war.

Well... Bring it on!!

https://i.imgur.com/k2JCIG7.gif

[Wonkie]

obama was good because every monster needs a nice smile

[Patriam1066]

obama was good because every monster needs a nice smile

Gonna be streaming the Iran game from my office. If you jinxed us I’m flying to Seattle

(C u real soon)

[Wonkie]

Gonna be streaming the Iran game from my office. If you jinxed us I’m flying to Seattle

(C u real soon)

you've no chance. the moorish blood guarantees victory.

[skarlorn]

obama was good because every monster needs a nice smile

really good post

[JurisDictum]

10050

The dude looks like Azmodan

Mic's right, Obama is a heartless piece of shit just like Trump. Nevertheless, one of these two men are the president ATM, and you'd probably never guess which if you didn't already know.

[chadtwoke]

we need to start evicting college age americans out of their dorms and putting all the illegals in there like they do in europe. or maybe we should put them up in a 5 star hotel and throw out all the paying americans.













https://i.imgur.com/79wqCKE.jpg

[DinoTriz]

we need to start evicting college age americans out of their dorms and putting all the illegals in there like they do in europe. or maybe we should put them up in a 5 star hotel and throw out all the paying americans.


Corporations pay Politicians.

Politicians pay back Corporations.

Corporations hire illegals for cheap labor.

Labor is the highest expense of a company.

Politicians must feed the machine with the blood of illegals.

Pesky citizens do nothing for the Politicians. Ugh, they're so annoying.

Ignore the citizens. Must satisfy corporate bosses. Money good.

Citizens continue to want to be represented. Call them racist. Buys one month.

One month later. Citizens continue to be a pain. Call them racist. Good for another month.

Citizens kill each other because a group of them are "racists". Good. Fight.

Citizens fight themselves in the streets. Ignore me please, must please boss.

Citizens stop fighting. oh fuck.

Citizens want answers. They keep talking about "America". wtf is that?

Call them racist. Not working. Call them racist again. fuckitsnotworking.

The citizens cannot be stopped. They're at our doorstep. We're fucked.

Execute "Escape Plan #44.exe".

Valve releases Half Life 3.

The mob cools down.

Back to normal.

Continue to fuck over citizens and please bosses.

[/WOKE]

[LulzSect©]

obama was good because every monster needs a nice smile

[JurisDictum]

Until we take accountability for our interference with these countries -- illegal immigration will continue...we'll be about as successful stopping it as we are with stopping illegal drugs from crossing the boarder.

We can't pretend we are minding our own business and these guys just showed up because they like our shit...its almost always because of some bullshit military/political endeavor that we are letting these people in to begin with.

[Patriam1066]

Until we take accountability for our interference with these countries -- illegal immigration will continue...we'll be about as successful stopping it as we are with stopping illegal drugs from crossing the boarder.

We can't pretend we are minding our own business and these guys just showed up because they like our shit...its almost always because of some bullshit military/political endeavor that we are letting these people in to begin with.

If you had a job and weren’t in law school paid for by my tax dollars I’d consider your opinion

Until then drone strikes

Also fuck Spain. C u real soon poke

[mickmoranis]

You know.. This is almost funny to me...

The ACLU, they published this: https://action.aclu.org/send-message/oh-dont-let-trump-separate-ohio-families?ms_aff=OH&initms_aff=OH&ms=180608_separate-ohio-families_&initms=180608_separate-ohio-families_&ms_chan=web&initms_chan=web

heres the tldr: "This is now the largest immigration raid in a decade, topping the Sandusky raid that occurred on June 5, when 114 undocumented residents were arrested and sent to detention centers. One mother from that raid was already deported to Mexico."

What the ACLU here is doing is shocking and not just un american its UNSAFE its Dangerous to everyone and most importantly they are now supporting breaking the law instead of following it.

We have a business, that employs 114 ILLEGAL immigrants in sandusky, and now one that employed 250!

This business pays no taxes on those employees

this business underpays those employees

This business does nto follow saftey regulations because its employees are illegal so they cannot pass them.

This business takes the dreams of people who want to come to this country, crushes them, forces them to work 12 hour days, forces them to work for less than minium wage, forces them to work in un safe environments.

The laws make the act of employing an illegal a greater crime than being an illegal. But the ACLU thinks its AGAINST our civil liberties to enforce them.

ANd yet here, the ALCU tries to act like this is some attack on our civil liberties? That Ensuring that a buisness follows the law, pays its taxes, pays its employees, doesnt abuse them, makes a safe work environment, etc etc

Is an attack on civil liberties.

I Swear to god.

You lefties, and now its full blown the ENTIRE LEFT, if you vote for the left you vote for the right to higher and pay illegal immigrants whatever you want, enslave them for all we care, just as long as you do NOT follow the law.

Trump is definitely going to win in 2020 and its gonna feel great.

[JurisDictum]

If you had a job and weren’t in law school paid for by my tax dollars I’d consider your opinion

Until then drone strikes

Also fuck Spain. C u real soon poke

I actually have been making some money off breeding Cryptokitties.

[mickmoranis]

10050

The dude looks like Azmodan

Mic's right, Obama is a heartless piece of shit just like Trump. Nevertheless, one of these two men are the president right now and is a kick ass one to boot.

:cool: FIFY

[skarlorn]

If it's true that America has covertly caused all the problems which have led to these refugees from shit hole countries, maybe those shit hole countries should have done better at resisting unofficial American interests.

Fun fact, it's not wholly our fault. The people of these shit hole countries are equally, at least, to blame.

[skarlorn]

WEW propaganda levels thru the roof right now

Really sad to see ppl leveraging this for political capital. Just as bad as trimp

[JurisDictum]

If it's true that America has covertly caused all the problems which have led to these refugees from shit hole countries, maybe those shit hole countries should have done better at resisting unofficial American interests.

Fun fact, it's not wholly our fault. The people of these shit hole countries are equally, at least, to blame.

Yea if you want to blame the elite of other countries -- they are involved. Like in Venezula...

Lot of talk about it lately.

When the NYT, Fox, CNN et al. are all talking about how bad a socialist government is, you should probably get to a place in your life where you realize its time to be skeptical. These networks are propaganda machines, and they didn't just decide to find a random bad government to criticize one day to help their people out.

The truth about Venesula is they are doing remarkably well considering the US, Citibank, Exxonmoble, UK are all trying actively to fuck them over. Their programs have continued to work despite the steep drop in oil prices* (they'll tell you the opposite on CNN). In response, the monied interest of that country that used to own the oil has approached the US -- and you can guess which two of these groups the US wants to work with.

Just like the Contra's -- a barbaric group of yokals supported by the rich in their country -- the opposition groups in Venezuela have been:

burning people alive for being black,

killing random government workers,

hording and destroying food to prove how bad the government is,

trying to get the US to overthrow the democratically elected government there -- so they can reverse all the socialist policies.

The upper middle class and the rich, are the main opponents to the Venezulan government. They cultivated a diverse group of tolerant liberals to oppose the government democratically....LOL just kidding. They got a bunch of hicks that hate people on racial lines to try to overthrow the government by force...what planet are you living on where it works any other way?

Anyway, the government is well over 50% popularity... even by opposition polls. So they boycotted the elections to try to disguise the fact that hardly anyone wants them in power.

But all this fact about the success of their programs in lifting people out of poverty, about the enormous popularity of Chavez's policies and the desire to continue them, it gets in the way of a good story about how socialism ruins everything, and the neoliberals need to take back control to put everything in order again.

* turns our the Chevez government was good at using its oil money to create more permanent non resource-based industry at home...which to me, proves he is a more benevolent type of dictator. Your average dictator doesn't do that... they enrich themselves and think short term. Not "what happens after I die or 100 years from now."

[Wonkie]

If you had a job and weren’t in law school paid for by my tax dollars I’d consider your opinion

Until then drone strikes

Also fuck Spain. C u real soon poke

i watched about half. very boring game. do your guys know they can cross the midfield?

kidding! im just in it for english humiliation.

[mickmoranis]

If it's true that America has covertly caused all the problems which have led to these refugees from shit hole countries, maybe those shit hole countries should have done better at resisting unofficial American interests.

Fun fact, it's not wholly our fault. The people of these shit hole countries are equally, at least, to blame.

Its not Americas fault at all.

We have the same deals with Canada as we have with Mexico and Canada is fine.

With every fiber of my being, I believe that the immigrants escaping their shit choice of starting cities, is WHY those starting cities are overun with corruption and poverty.

If they got off their asses and picked up a gun and started fighting back then they would fix their problems and we could all live in harmony.

But because they see a cheaper easier solution, of just moving to america, they chose that one.

That time has come to an end.

Sorry kids when your 18 you gotta move out and fend for yourself.

Not stay at home and play LOL and P99 for free and smoke weed and listen to music like you want.

[Patriam1066]

i watched about half. very boring game. do your guys know they can cross the midfield?

kidding! im just in it for english humiliation.

The 2nd half was way better. We went on the offensive. 1st half strategy sucked

Anyway, I blame you for the loss. C U REAL SOON

[Patriam1066]

Yea if you want to blame the elite of other countries -- they are involved. Like in Venezula...

Lot of talk about it lately.

When the NYT, Fox, CNN et al. are all talking about how bad a socialist government is, you should probably get to a place in your life where you realize its time to be skeptical. These networks are propaganda machines, and they didn't just decide to find a random bad government to criticize one day to help their people out.

The truth about Venesula is they are doing remarkably well considering the US, Citibank, Exxonmoble, UK are all trying actively to fuck them over. Their programs have continued to work despite the steep drop in oil prices* (they'll tell you the opposite on CNN). In response, the monied interest of that country that used to own the oil has approached the US -- and you can guess which two of these groups the US wants to work with.

Just like the Contra's -- a barbaric group of yokals supported by the rich in their country -- the opposition groups in Venezuela have been:

burning people alive for being black,

killing random government workers,

hording and destroying food to prove how bad the government is,

trying to get the US to overthrow the democratically elected government there -- so they can reverse all the socialist policies.

The upper middle class and the rich, are the main opponents to the Venezulan government. They cultivated a diverse group of tolerant liberals to oppose the government democratically....LOL just kidding. They got a bunch of hicks that hate people on racial lines to try to overthrow the government by force...what planet are you living on where it works any other way?

Anyway, the government is well over 50% popularity... even by opposition polls. So they boycotted the elections to try to disguise the fact that hardly anyone wants them in power.

But all this fact about the success of their programs in lifting people out of poverty, about the enormous popularity of Chavez's policies and the desire to continue them, it gets in the way of a good story about how socialism ruins everything, and the neoliberals need to take back control to put everything in order again.

* turns our the Chevez government was good at using its oil money to create more permanent non resource-based industry at home...which to me, proves he is a more benevolent type of dictator. Your average dictator doesn't do that... they enrich themselves and think short term. Not "what happens after I die or 100 years from now."

I really hope Vormotos the resident Venezuelan weighs in on this. It’s my opinion that a country without toilet paper and the largest proven oil reserves on earth is in fact poorly managed but maybe you’re right and anywhere a person with melanin makes a mistake it’s somehow in fact Uncle Sam’s fault

[skarlorn]

well, it is america's fault some with latin american countries.

it's very naive to believe the US hasn't been destabilizing regimes and inciting unrest in all of central/south America via branches like the CIA for over 100 years.

Fuck, we used to just send the marines back in the early 20th century.

[skarlorn]

"Internationally, many countries are unstable, dangerous, and have crushing degrees of inequality. This is all the USA's fault."

Some people genuinely believe this.

Likewise, some people believe that America has more inequality in wealth than Russia and China.

It is a strange time indeed, my comrades.

[JurisDictum]

I really hope Vormotos the resident Venezuelan weighs in on this. It’s my opinion that a country without toilet paper and the largest proven oil reserves on earth is in fact poorly managed but maybe you’re right and anywhere a person with melanin makes a mistake it’s somehow in fact Uncle Sam’s fault

Again, this assumes we aren't trying to dictate Venezula's domestic policy. That's not the case -- we are very much getting involved. If we told the corporate masters there to fuck off and fight their own battles, then we could wash our hands of the problems there.

People can afford TP in Venezula...they can't get it because the producers are selling it on the black market -- to avoid price controls and artificially increase demand.

Not everyone is going to get top level cancer treatment in a country poor like Venezula...but the TP problem is purely political.

People ride camels in Saudi Arbia still....discluding a minority of wealthy city dwellers.

No paternalistic commentary about their mistakes on CNN though.

[Patriam1066]

Iran is currently conquering the Middle East while under much more scrutiny and pressure than Venezuela

Sucks to suck
Hope this helps! The seed is strong

[JurisDictum]

Iran is currently conquering the Middle East while under much more scrutiny and pressure than Venezuela

Sucks to suck
Hope this helps! The seed is strong

Well you can thank Israel for that one IMO. Also they were proto-democratic by the 50s...when Venezuela was still literally a jungle of tribal violence.

[skarlorn]

Anyone who disagrees with me is a sociopath or being willfully ignorant.

Prove me wrong!

[MagpieRockyl]

We can start by separating the halflings from the humans at the border and see where that goes

[mickmoranis]

If it's true that America has covertly caused all the problems which have led to these refugees from shit hole countries, maybe those shit hole countries should have done better at resisting unofficial American interests.

Fun fact, it's not wholly our fault. The people of these shit hole countries are equally, at least, to blame.

i have questions, not arguments.

first of all how is it americas fault that all white countries seem to progress while all non white countries eather peeked in the dark ages or are savage nations of terror and canibalism?

Ok so after that. Whats the deal with north and south america? Why are two nations that are basically the same on the evolutionary scale, domestic and free or wild badlands of hell scorched earth? (all the way to the fucking tip way down at the bottom mind you)

Yeah so, like serious questions, and the reason I ask you mayor is, well if you think those two things are americas fault, why do you think they are americas fault?

Thanks!

[mickmoranis]

Iran is currently conquering the Middle East while under much more scrutiny and pressure than Venezuela

Sucks to suck
Hope this helps! The seed is strong

The middle East and Islam will not survive ww3 sorry bye bye

[skarlorn]

the US has been a pretty userous influence on the central/south americas for a while.

for instance, banana wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars)

CIA promoting instability in nicaragua, funded by cocaine (https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch01p1.htm)

a little more on the excelelnt work by the CIA (https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Lethal-CIA-Interventions-in-Latin-America-20160608-0031.html)

it's been extremely profitable to a tiny number of elite who have corporations needing serfs and a corrupt local satellite govt.

if you actually care to learn more, there's plenty of info out there in books and research.

I'm not saying it's all our fault. that would be moronic.

But the US has definitely had a stake in promoting instability down south.

You're welcome!

[JurisDictum]

If you look at things in terms of why North America is in a position to exploit Latin America -- it isn't really our fault.

If you are asking why is it our fault that people in Venezula don't have toilet paper...well that would be because we support those people withholding the TP and they are doing it in hope that we will come in and force the people of Venezula back into a liberal market economy they don't want.

If your point is: we don't care about being fair in business. We don't actually believe countries have a right of self-determination. It's all about what you can take from those weaker than you and what they can do about it....

Well that's a cogent anti-social point there. Maybe we should apply that to everything. Why is it our fault women can't stop themselves from being raped? I mean, we never decided to be born stronger, its not like we did something wrong. It's a harsh world. Sometimes you get raped and that's the natural order of things.

[JurisDictum]

So the FBI warns about sexual assaults on airline flights (https://wtop.com/travel/2018/06/fbi-warns-about-sexual-assaults-on-airline-flights/slide/1/)...

My guess its not really true. It's just that this is one of those problems that might accidentally hit someone in the upper classes -- so it's a big deal even thought the risk is minimal.

[mickmoranis]

Lllthe US has been a pretty userous influence on the central/south americas for a while.

for instance, banana wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars)

CIA promoting instability in nicaragua, funded by cocaine (https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch01p1.htm)

a little more on the excelelnt work by the CIA (https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/10-of-the-Most-Lethal-CIA-Interventions-in-Latin-America-20160608-0031.html)

it's been extremely profitable to a tiny number of elite who have corporations needing serfs and a corrupt local satellite govt.

if you actually care to learn more, there's plenty of info out there in books and research.

I'm not saying it's all our fault. that would be moronic.

But the US has definitely had a stake in promoting instability down south.

You're welcome!

I mean I get that those are all things. But could you like look at the fine print in my questions and address those realities?

[skarlorn]

no thanks man. glad i could provide you some info.

[mickmoranis]

KWorth examining if you're going to claim responsibility. I know you don't want to be a libcuck. What if there was a reason you only linked me examples of imperialism in a country that is occupied by a certain ty...

Well... if it's been this way for 5,000 years before now, how is it Americas fault south America went the regular tragectory that should have been expected for all recoded history?

If we're the baddies than why is Canada so fine?

[skarlorn]

it's too big a topic for me to want to try and parse right now when i'm still digesting what i learned about socialism and the bolshevik's need for gulag, thanks

[JurisDictum]

America doesn't need prisons though. There's no such thing as prisons in America, and no one has ever been arrested for political beliefs or anti-patriotic behavior.

You guys know -- there was people working in shit conditions in Sibera throughout all of Russian history...its not like they invented those work conditions just for certain people. They simply took (mostly) middle and upper class people and made them work like the peasants of Sibera as an alternative to prison.

[skarlorn]

they did invent them. you really don't know much. you also don't really know the extent of the people targeted. sorry man. it's worse than you think.

[JurisDictum]

they did invent them. you really don't know much. you also don't really know the extent of the people targeted. sorry man. it's worse than you think.

The Red Terror was bad. Don't get me wrong. That's why it's called the fucking Red Terror.

But that's different then the reality of the working conditions in Russia over centuries, right before the communist revolution there. And all the blame tends to dumped on them -- as if bad working conditions in Russia were invented by communists. Of course, no improvements are discussed in the West. Nor the corresponding decline in national strength with the death of Stalin. I've heard this a million times:

"Russia won WW2 despite Stalin and the communist party...not because of them." I have never heard an explanation of why that's the case. Not even a little. It's just a bald assertion over and over.

[skarlorn]

u could read gulag archipelago but u won't

[JurisDictum]

u could read gulag archipelago but u won't

I don't think It matters to the US political system in reality. Any of this bullshit discussion about a fascist regime from the 30s fresh out of feudalism. BTW, the author of gulag archipelago supported "reformed socialism"*...not capitalism.

The only reason we talk about this is to misrepresent modern alternatives to neoliberal capitalism. It's a boogie man. These kinds of governments exist in places where human lives aren't considered very important. There were a lot more countries like this back in 1920-1950.

[skarlorn]

my point has been proven

[MagpieRockyl]

Juris has big lobes clearly has multiple degrees on the subject. Concede filbert.

[JurisDictum]

His point was that the soviet system relied on oppression and forced labor.

I guess if I was a member of the Soviet Union 50 years ago I might give a shit. Today... What does that have to do with fucking anything? Can you even find a actual Leninist alive today?

I look at it as interesting history kind of like learning about the Roman Empire or the War of Roses. But its omnipresence in every discussion about anything left of Trump is a clear sign of propaganda.

The American system would not function without prisons (more than any in the world but in quantity and in % of population), a corrupt media, and violent suppression of third world slave labor.

And just like the USSR -- most of the benefits to this highly immoral system concentrate at the top.

If you want to use that lens, knock yourself out. Any jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a lot more to build one.

[skarlorn]

My point is that a lot of what you were saying was wrong and there's evidence to back it up. Glad we are on the same page now.

Grats on your hike big j. now THATS news

[JurisDictum]

My point is that a lot of what you were saying was wrong and there's evidence to back it up. Glad we are on the same page now.

Grats on your hike big j. now THATS news

So your saying the working conditions under the Czar are nothing like they were under Stalin?

What is this have to do with Stalin's command ability during the war?

[JurisDictum]

There like 5 thoughts in my head here.

1) it doesn't matter. This is just a relatively pointless discussion about history that has no bearing on modern politics.

2) All the problems of Russia are dumped on Stalin and the Soviet system in a desperate way. We can't just talk about shit Stalin did wrong like the Red Terror...we got to pretend he invented poverty in Russia. When in reality, it was reduced. That's just a fact. In general, things got better far more rapidly than either people like Trump or people like Vladimir Putin would ever admit. Despite all the horror (which at the time was kept secret to the population as much as possible). It's interesting that its very important to western propaganda to frame Stalin's policies as making the country more poor than it would have been otherwise. When the more obvious point is that he killed a shitload of people.

3) Stalin was popular after death because he won an extremely difficult war. He did this by shooting military leaders among other things...apparently is unacceptable tragedy when he killed military leaders -- but the deaths of huge swaths of the male population are to be expected. This was the notion I was trying to tease out.

4) After Stalin died -- Russia chose to reform and become less of a killing machine. The problem is, the soviet system required bureaucrats and workers to be horrified of being charged with disloyalty . Otherwise, when they get away with corruption America-style, its even worse than in America because of the far reach of the government, and the inability to fire bad workers.

5) China chose not to revise everything the way Russia chose to...They didn't publically criticize how Mao fucked everything up and was morally bankrupt. They certainly didn't try to pretend he didn't win the war for them. Which of these two countries seem better off to you today?

My point is not that China is a lovely place to live or that the USSR was. My point is this idea that leftwing policies cause poverty has been never been substantiated. What has been, is that leftwing extremists kill people...but that's not a very useful point for corporate elites to publicize...is it?

[Nibblewitz]

The Gulag was the only part of socialism that the Russians got right.

[JurisDictum]

What we're talking about for those not in the know

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, who survived eight years of Gulag incarceration, gave the term its international repute with the publication of The Gulag Archipelago in 1973. The author likened the scattered camps to "a chain of islands" and as an eyewitness he described the Gulag as a system where people were worked to death.[7] Some scholars support this view,[8][9] though this claim is controversial, given that the vast majority of people who entered the Gulag came out alive, with the exception of the war years.[10][11][12] Although one writer, citing pre-1991 materials, claims that most prisoners in the gulag were killed,[13] Natalya Reshetovskaya, the wife of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, said in her memoirs that The Gulag Archipelago was based on "campfire folklore" as opposed to objective facts.[14] Similarly, historian Stephen G. Wheatcroft asserts that it is essentially a "literary and political work".[15] Numerous other accounts from survivors state otherwise and the Mitrokhin Archive claimed that these memoirs were part of a KGB campaign, orchestrated by Yuri Andropov in 1974, to discredit Solzhenitsyn.[16] However, this archive itself has its veracity in doubt; among other, more practical issues, by the same token with which Vasili Mitrokhin claimed the Soviet government would obviously be interested in discrediting Solzhenitsyn, Western governments would have as much interest in lending him credence

Its also important to note : the big drop was that Lenin started labor camps -- it wasn't just all Stalin. See at the time, it was popular to say "oh man, if only Lenin didn't die and that total psycho Stalin didn't take over, this would all be so much better." This, however, is not a very popular opinion anymore...to put it lightly.

It's worth noting that we were -- ya know -- during prime cold war years (1973) when the west came out and portrayed this book as the best ever written and totally authoritative (it was a story not a sociological work with citations). So I guess you can believe that...I don't see why the fuck you would.

Meanwhile. Why not give it a quick read? Well, its because its a long pretentious written book by a intellectual that makes a long work out of a short point...not mention I don't find it particularly convincing that the entire soviet system was based around working people to death...it happened in the war years a bit, but it wasn't all that common in the USSR in general. Work yes...to death? no. There's not a lot of hard evidence of that BTW -- most the stories you hear about these camps are devoid of people being worked to death on documented interviews... its extremely common to hear about those that went to the gulag...most of them did not die it seems.

Another story to look out for:

The one about the woman in a big house that was only not killed by the communists because she was pregnant....yea its told all over the world -- its a freakn' legend not family history...the communist didn't knock on the doors of mansions and ask the people who the were etc...they found out before hand and just went there and grabbed you if they had a problem, which was the case if you were a landlord in China, or a Czarist during the revolutionary era of Russia. If you had a kid would make no difference.

Edit: I also feel it necessary to point out that Solzhenitsyn was a raging anti-semite -- so far right people love him for this as well.

[Irulan]

Taking bets on whether bigj gets killed by a bear or a serial killer hunting women.

[skarlorn]

The Gulag was the only part of socialism that the Russians got right.

wow, this is actually so poignant, thanks. i knew i put up with your SOCIALIST LOOT COUNCIL REGIME for a reason!

[Nibblewitz]

wow, this is actually so poignant, thanks. i knew i put up with your SOCIALIST LOOT COUNCIL REGIME for a reason!

borg beats snowflakes everytime

[Irulan]

explain The United States Of America than

The borg haven't arrived yet. The rest of the world's been an anarchic tribal mess until Christianity and the Pope. This won't last and there are borgs organizing globally under our big trolly noses. Get ready for next gen humanity v2.0. It's just awaiting a kernel patch and a new branch.

[Nibblewitz]

explain The United States Of America than

have you seen our gulag pop? it's off the charts!

[Irulan]

Our prison population doesn't assimilate into the US population. It assimilates the US population.

[skarlorn]

eh our gulags are shit compared to the REAL gulag, not even close in how great they are for the regime

[mickmoranis]

No borders, no walls! no prisons, no halls! let the world run free! no laws, no policy!





uhhhh thats not socialism, thats anarchy...







YOU NAZI, HEY HEY SHUTUP or we kill you!







wait what? What happened to freedom to do whatever i wanted?






whatever you get the picture libcucks are idiots.

[skarlorn]

portland based libcucks on my social media data banks are NOT HAPPY about trump signign the executive order to put illegals back with their criminal offspring

[Irulan]

How is the homeless situation there anyway? Do you guys separate homeless kids from their homeless parents and have homeless camps yet?

[skarlorn]

there are MANY homeless camps.

it is very bad

[DinoTriz]

I think Mick would have a heart attack if he ever went on Reddit.

I was talking to a dude on there that thinks our immigration policy is literally as bad as the Holocaust was.

[Irulan]

I'll be honest, I don't think our policy is remotely comparable to the holucost. But we aren't being honest with ourselves. I understand the reference, but at this stage in the game It's a terrible reference.

In an ideal world we'd be able to rescue these kids and stop all the cycles of irresponsibility and exploitation and abuse that leads to the need for borders. How are we going to do that humanely? We can't. It's impossible to be humane unless we just give up and sacrifice everything and let the flood of billions just wash this tiny bastion of civilization away. Is it worth letting everyone go free just so we don't have to think of the children? Even if we let these people free and gave them foodstamps and a greencard. They'd still be poor, exploited, and unwanted, unemployed, uneducated, and homeless. The children would still suffer horrifically anyway. Because there is no, freeee land no frontier here. The best we can offer them is a form of state slavery through institutionalization.

Let's face it the face of this whole world needs to be changed, the kindest option we have is to conscript these people and turn them into a kind of occupational force to liberate their homelands, but that would require violence and a removal of their freedom.

The elites will never allow this because it would destroy the grip they have on their empires.

[skarlorn]

I'll be honest, I don't think our policy is remotely comparable to the holucost. But we aren't being honest with ourselves. I understand the reference, but at this stage in the game It's a terrible reference.

In an ideal world we'd be able to rescue these kids and stop all the cycles of irresponsibility and exploitation and abuse that leads to the need for borders. How are we going to do that humanely? We can't. It's impossible to be humane unless we just give up and sacrifice everything and let the flood of billions just wash this tiny bastion of civilization away. Is it worth letting everyone go free just so we don't have to think of the children? Even if we let these people free and gave them foodstamps and a greencard. They'd still be poor, exploited, and unwanted, unemployed, uneducated, and homeless. The children would still suffer horrifically anyway. Because there is no, freeee land no frontier here. The best we can offer them is a form of state slavery through institutionalization.

[JurisDictum]

One day we're all going to get it.

The peak of philosophical modernism during the lead up and shortly after WWII -- was just a brutal bloody era...Filled with corruption, propaganda and death in every country.

How many Japanese people did we burn alive? Not to mention the nukes...and that's just the Japanese! We now know we did this just to spook Stalin...except sociopaths don't spook, do they?

Meanwhile, don't feel too sorry for Japan...because ya know -- they were brutal colonalists that worked far more people to death than any communist country ever did. Their fucking Buddhist monks were telling the Chinese monks it was for their own good!

These are just a few off the cuff examples. Every country horrible then. Most are better now. The ones that aren't -- just remember we were there too once. Not that long ago.

[Patriam1066]

America is great all other countries have inferior potassium

[JurisDictum]

There are ways to solve the illegal immigration problem. Bigger walls and more camps is the dumbest way I can think of.

You got to the answer the question: "why do people illegally immigrate here?"

Solve that problem as much as possible for the best results. Maybe its because they can get jobs easy? Benefits easy?

As long as those two things are true...wtf would bigger walls solve the problem? It might help a little...but that's it.

Edit: This means Trump isn't all that serious about solving immigration problems...he's just serious about siding with anti-immigration sentiment. If the immigration problem was settled, Republicans would be fucked.

[LulzSect©]

https://i.imgur.com/09lU5Iy.jpg

[skarlorn]

another way to solve the ilelgal immigration problem is to turn everyone who illegally immigrates and gets caught into an indentured servant for 20 years.

[JurisDictum]

I honestly think it doesn't need to be solved to the degree your average American seems to think. Yes, you can't have hordes of immigrants...but can you have quite a few immigrant workers and still have good jobs and benefits for citizens? Sure... A lot of countries do that.

Drives down the cost of business.

But no benefits for immigrants, and they have to get paperwork that includes taxing their income at a higher rate. Not to mention enforcement of this paperwork so business that skip it get hit hard.

[Patriam1066]

I think we should have a moratorium on melanin immigration for 88 years. Only Ukrainian blondes allowed in until further notice

[DinoTriz]

another way to solve the ilelgal immigration problem is to turn everyone who illegally immigrates and gets caught into an indentured servant for 20 years.

Give them all to black people. Then in another 150 years, enslave an alien race and give them to the Mexicans. Rinse and repeat.

[Patriam1066]

I honestly think it doesn't need to be solved to the degree your average American seems to think. Yes, you can't have hordes of immigrants...but can you have quite a few illegal workers and still have good jobs and benefits for citizens? Sure... A lot of countries do that.

Drives down the cost of business.

But no benefits for illegals, and they have to get paperwork that includes taxing their income at a higher rate. Not to mention enforcement of this paperwork so business that skip it get hit hard.

I’ve never met an attractive illegal immigrant. Aesthetics matter

[Patriam1066]

Give them all to black people. Then in another 150 years, enslave an alien race and give them to the Mexicans. Rinse and repeat.

Odus was a good idea

[Wonkie]

cartoonishly racist today guys

[skarlorn]

too bad many ukrainians have mongol blood. sorry patriam

[Baler]

https://i.imgur.com/jfG8oHl.gif

[Patriam1066]

cartoonishly racist today guys

Sorry NL. You’re lucky I don’t know how to post images

I have a good one about the incredibles (the arrestables)

[DinoTriz]

cartoonishly racist today guys

I'm practically advocating for reparations by suggesting we give black people slaves.

Seriously though, how funny would that be if that happened?

Not funny in real life, but like, make it into a South Park episode or something. Work with me here.

[skarlorn]

i knwo most of you are going to voet trump

who here isn't going to vote trump in 2024?

[Irulan]

Sorry NL. You’re lucky I don’t know how to post images

I have a good one about the incredibles (the arrestables)

i knwo most of you are going to voet trump

who here isn't going to vote trump in 2024?

https://i.imgur.com/HdqDIyJ.jpg

[LulzSect©]

https://i.imgur.com/7egCeQp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Irulan]

And the dead shall rise...

[JurisDictum]

i knwo most of you are going to voet trump

who here isn't going to vote trump in 2024?

I probably won't vote for him.

I'll not vote for any corporate democrat instead though. Hilary got pass with me for old times sake (In the general, not the primary) -- my grandma used to like her a lot. In hindsight, I'm glad she didn't win.

[skarlorn]

https://i.imgur.com/7egCeQp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Haw haw I've been cucked

[JurisDictum]

Remember when you were a kid and you felt shy and awkward so you just went along with whatever everyone else was doing to fit in?

Yea most people never grow out of that. Especially the professional class.

This includes:

Stating mainstream opinions in an authoritative way despite that you have no understanding of what you talking about

Disagreeing without something on the basis that is controversial

Having an apologetic and hedging tone when its time to express your opinion, which you avoid like the plague

Anyway, you people are the problem.

[Wonkie]

i knwo most of you are going to voet trump

who here isn't going to vote trump in 2024?

im voting for chelsea

[JurisDictum]

im voting for chelsea

https://youtu.be/BOM7udiiJvU?t=14

[Patriam1066]

I thought Kanye was the republican in 2024

I’m old please keep me in the loop

[Nibblewitz]

Better question: will the constitutional convention that guts congress happen before or after the re-election?

[Wonkie]

Better question: will the constitutional convention that guts congress happen before or after the re-election?

no.

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/awzgcqQ.gif

[JurisDictum]

That cartoon duck is pretty hot.

[LulzSect©]

isn't she a little old 4 u bud?

[JurisDictum]

The story about Venezuela being kept from you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMeli0BA3UA

[skarlorn]

I'm not the problem. You're the problem!

[Swish2]

The story about Venezuela being kept from you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMeli0BA3UA

Not much has changed, they still got that oil.

[skarlorn]

i've made about 135k in the past couple months and now i have to decide what to do with it

do i try and build the business into something larger

or split with my business partner and repeat at the same scale. i doubt anyone here can relate to this sort of issue but perhaps you know of a book or good source of info outside urself.

[JurisDictum]

i've made about 135k in the past couple months and now i have to decide what to do with it

do i try and build the business into something larger

or split with my business partner and repeat at the same scale

It all comes down to time and money. How much % on your principal per month or quarter or whatever. If you can just invest that money into something with a good return you know of -- I would go more conservative with business ventures. If you don't know of a good place to keep your money that will yield good returns -- It sounds like investing in your business is a good bet.

But I don't know all the details.

[DinoTriz]

im voting for chelsea

She was lookin' THICC at the Democratic convention

https://i.imgur.com/HwmT0A6.jpg

I kinda wanted to hate-fuck her. Pull her hair a bit.

I'm pretty sure I have to change my voter registration after saying that.

[Irulan]

She's got that southern girl vibe going strong lol.

You can have sex across party lines. I often think of registering R just to vote in their primaries.

[Wonkie]

She was lookin' THICC at the Democratic convention

https://i.imgur.com/HwmT0A6.jpg

I kinda wanted to hate-fuck her. Pull her hair a bit.

I'm pretty sure I have to change my voter registration after saying that.

same but wrong chelsea

[DinoTriz]

same but wrong chelsea

This one?

https://i.imgur.com/srjJhcM.jpg

[mickmoranis]

Just posting here to say

all 3rd world contries that have natural recorses are 3rd world so if anyone is suprised someone from a developed nation, flys over there, see's there is no law, and helps them exploit their country to sell all those recorses, then they are just living sheltered lives.

And shelterd lives result in people going "there are such things as IM-m-m-m-m-agration lawsss???"

[Irulan]

Just posting here to say

all 3rd world contries that have natural recorses are 3rd world so if anyone is suprised someone from a developed nation, flys over there, see's there is no law, and helps them exploit their country to sell all those recorses, then they are just living sheltered lives.

And shelterd lives result in people going "there are such things as IM-m-m-m-m-agration lawsss???"

Quite possibly the most stable post I've seen in eons.

[mickmoranis]

also

This is the left Today:

"History does not look back and smile upon the people who follow tyrannical laws, they look back at those that stood up and said Im not following your unjust laws!"

WHILE ALSO THEY SAY

"we should make it illegal to say you cant use a bathroom and also make it illegal to own guns and also make it illegal to not refer to someone by their chosen identity and also make freedom of speech less broad and limit some of it with LAWS LAWS LAWS"

Seriously you cant make this shit up. Its reality. Sad.

[DinoTriz]

Just posting here to say

all 3rd world contries that have natural recorses are 3rd world so if anyone is suprised someone from a developed nation, flys over there, see's there is no law, and helps them exploit their country to sell all those recorses, then they are just living sheltered lives.

And shelterd lives result in people going "there are such things as IM-m-m-m-m-agration lawsss???"

Mick, compare mass immigration to imperialism. After all, skilled labor is just another resource. Then ask Leftists why they support the practice of imperialism.

It's effectively the same as the CIA swooping in and destabilizing countries.

Then accuse Leftists of supporting war, imperialism, and CIA regime change.

It's fun.

[Irulan]

Who's making it illegal to be upset at bathrooms? Since you went there:

I don't care about what you say or think. If I'm using the bathroom and that makes you uncomfortable, please say so and I'll try to accommodate your feelings by waiting or using another one.

No you may not call the police on me and check my birth certificate and jail me, fine me, or assault me just because you felt uncomfortable.

It's the letter of the law, and the idea of the law that is wrong. North Carolina's HB2's intent was to enable citizens to use the police to violate my privacy. You could have always called the police before if I was doing something wrong, but you couldn't use your feelings just to pry into my birth certificate until the law.

In one case I have to be doing something wrong in that bathroom for the police to become involved and use force against me. On the other hand, with HB2 I don't have to do anything wrong, your opinion about my sex or biology is all that matters. That's not the exercise of free speech. That's plane old witch hunting and discrimination placed within the law.

Both our opinions are valid. In public we have to compromise. My free speech doesn't Trump yours, nor yours mine. Because this is a matter of opinion the law has to take both our perspectives into consideration no matter how wrong we think the others is. The law also protects us from discrimination on the basis of sex. So my opinion of a man or woman doesn't bar them from free association within our public society. The Heritage Foundations opinion on the law isn't and shouldn't be the law and can never be without violating the law itself or my freedom of speech. Conversely a city ordinance forbidding private business from segregation might be aswell. But again, these are public spaces leased from the city. The law has to take harm into account. It's clear I'm part of a protected class if you go learn the facts. Laws that discriminate against transgender people are harmful. The law is about facts. Not feelings.

If you want to usurp the rules of law and violate my rights in public spaces, we are going to have a really bad time. I'm very sorry about this.

[DinoTriz]

If I'm using the bathroom and that makes you uncomfortable, please say so and I'll try to accommodate your feelings by waiting or using another one.


I'd let you use my bathroom if you needed it, Irulan.

I even clean it sometimes.

[mickmoranis]

When the media is on the same side as a political group, and together they stand up against the other political groups, you live in an authoritarian fascist dictatorship.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-patrol-agent-involved-dramatic-photo-girl-crying-at-border-speaks-out/

Quiz:

Is the party that wants to get rid of the bill of rights and in legue with the media the fascists?

Or is the party that wants to protect a citizens rights above all and limit the power of government the fascist?

Please explane.

[Irulan]

I'm not happy about the centralization of power either. I'm really mad at the Patriot Act. Obama and Trumps executive order slinging and everyone trying to push their agenda through the Federal government. Though I to some degree understand the push back. I am still unhappy about it. I don't want to have the ACA the way it is. I don't want to force you to pay for my welfare. And I don't want my social security and medicare to be mismanaged. I also don't have great solutions to the problems we face other than get rid of the regulations. Let everything collapse. But if we deregulated health insurance and healthcare. We'd be left right back at square one. Companies would inflate our economy by charging $300 for a shot of insulin. Which would be a boon to one industry, but neglect the other problems we face, like why do so many kids have type II diabetes? Somehow we have to find a way to work together if we want to ensure a better future. We can't just rely on free markets to solve these problems. Not when a few large companies can control the markets. I want society to work and be based on merit facts science and equality without bias and work for the greater good.

Neither party seems keen on these goals. They both just exist to take our money and attention for ideological reasons without fulfilling any real goal.

[Wonkie]

I'm not happy about the centralization of power either. I'm really mad at the Patriot Act. Obama and Trumps executive order slinging and everyone trying to push their agenda through the Federal government. Though I to some degree understand the push back. I am still unhappy about it. I don't want to have the ACA the way it is. I don't want to force you to pay for my welfare. And I don't want my social security and medicare to be mismanaged. I also don't have great solutions to the problems we face other than get rid of the regulations. Let everything collapse. But if we deregulated health insurance and healthcare. We'd be left right back at square one. Companies would inflate our economy by charging $300 for a shot of insulin. Which would be a boon to one industry, but neglect the other problems we face, like why do so many kids have type II diabetes? Somehow we have to find a way to work together if we want to ensure a better future. We can't just rely on free markets to solve these problems. Not when a few large companies can control the markets. I want society to work and be based on merit facts science and equality without bias and work for the greater good.

Neither party seems keen on these goals. They both just exist to take our money and attention for ideological reasons without fulfilling any real goal.

woke accelerationism there toots.

[Irulan]

woke accelerationism there toots.

Thanks. Perhaps where I differ from the left is that I don't think our government can solve these problems. And where I differ from the right I don't think private enterprise will.

Take nutrition as an example. The bread we use to make was water, flour and salt. It took a day to rise and didn't take fast acting yeast.

Industrial bread, or technological bread is made with pure white flour and 31 other ingredients. McDonald's bread is made with lots of sugar.

People with gluten intolerance (not celiac disease) might switch away from bread and feel better, they think it's the gluten but it's really the additives.

There's no industry or market in doing bread the old way. Doing bread the new way free'd women from making it.

Both private industry and our government don't really understand these things, nor is it in their interest to solve them.

If we want to fix this kind of mess we are going to need to get globally woke and stop feeding the systems that are perpetuating our problems. We can do this by working together in our communities with our neighbors and by abstaining from supporting and interacting with these multinational institutions. And yes, our government is essentially an international welfare installation. We need a standing military and we need to interact at some level with the globe. But we shouldn't outsource our labor or markets and we shouldn't buy from corporations that do. If we stopped this we could slowly and organically restructure our communities and turn our country around.

[Irulan]

Education should be our primary concern with knowledge comes power and freedom. We need to ensure that we don't become complacent.

[skarlorn]

we as peasants are right to demand better education

they as oligarchs are right to destroy our education and critical thinking capacities because it keeps us easier to control through propaganda and emotional manipulation

If Washington were still alive we'd be having a violent revolution

[JurisDictum]

Grade deflation is the enemy. It makes it so you can show up, not even pay attention to the professor, play on your laptop, and then pass the test anyway. One tearful visit will up your grade half a letter or so. I saw it get worse every year. I also sometimes troll the campus where I live just to see what the students are like. They are getting fattier, more awkward, and brattier. Like a that teenage girl whine sound...they all do that.

Seriously I would have got my ass kicked sounding like that growing up. By the time I got to college I wasn't whining. Well, if you exclude written format.

Meanwhile, colleges are encouraging:

At least 2 extra curricular

at least 16 credits (12 used to be good)

a job while in school

They want you to work more, and work dumber, and have zero free time to think.

Graduate school is cool though.

[skarlorn]

Grade deflation is the enemy. It makes it so you can show up, not even pay attention to the professor, play on your laptop, and then pass the test anyway. One tearful visit will up your grade half a letter or so. I saw it get worse every year. I also sometimes troll the campus where I live just to see what the students are like. They are getting fattier, more awkward, and brattier. Like a that teenage girl whine sound...they all do that.

Seriously I would have got my ass kicked sounding like that growing up. By the time I got to college I wasn't whining. Well, if you exclude written format.

Meanwhile, colleges are encouraging:

At least 2 extra curricular

at least 16 credits (12 used to be good)

a job while in school

They want you to work more, and work dumber, and have zero free time to think.

Graduate school is cool though.
I have always deeply resented the institutional lowering of my GPA for not attending class. I graduated with honors but would have had a 3.8 if I hadn't suffered so many points of grade loss because I didn't go to class. They punish the intelligent to set a precedent for the 90 IQ scum.

Edit: when the class was legitimately good (read:challenging) I never missed it.

[rollin5k]

I fully intend to keep my kids away from the current government daycare education system as much as i reasonably can. It's the first step in deep brainwashing and controlling youngsters to become dependent on the government for the mainstays of survival, continuing racism into the next century and making sure that investing your lemming bucks to buy your "rights"

[mickmoranis]

Education should be our primary concern with knowledge comes power and freedom. We need to ensure that we don't become complacent.

agree'd

I always thought, you know mr obama (this is what I told him when I was smoking weed with him on our thursday meetups) you know obama, a healthy population doesnt neccisarlly know it deserves to be a well educated population...

... but a well educated population know they deserve to have a good healthcare system.

So why not fix something that solves both problems?

"He would chuckle and say my nurga shut yo moth you think i give a FUK about the population? Shiiiiiit ask them kids in flint what I think of there problems lol... I do this cus i gets PAYED to distract you from the real show. This shit aint ever gonna work *puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuf* this shits just a distraction yo. You got no voice my shorty, you just ant to us."

[Patriam1066]

I fully intend to keep my kids away from the current government daycare education system as much as i reasonably can. It's the first step in deep brainwashing and controlling youngsters to become dependent on the government for the mainstays of survival, continuing racism into the next century and making sure that investing your lemming bucks to buy your "rights"

Home schooled kids are pedantic and boring. Please reconsider

[rollin5k]

Atleast they won't drive a European pile of shit car tho :D

[LulzSect©]

not to mention likely inbred

[skarlorn]

Yeah seriously home schooling sucks. They tried it for me. Didn't work. Had to go to a genius hogwarts

[rollin5k]

I didn't say homeschool anyways but maybe your teachers sucked ayyyy

[skarlorn]

reported

[Wonkie]

@JD, could you do a gay seriouspost about constitution opinions among the laity vs the learned political elite? i think it's considered something of a joke among the gentry, but a useful tool to get the monkeys gabbering.

thanks!

e: you may include the freedom caucus only if you include the homeless insane

[DinoTriz]

get the monkeys gabbering.

Is this a racist dog whistle against Trump supporters?

[Wonkie]

Is this a racist dog whistle against Trump supporters?

it's not a dog whistle i'm being overtly racist against all homo sapiens

dogs are better

[DinoTriz]

against all homo

Now you hate the gays?

Come on, Wonkie. That's not okay.

[Wonkie]

extremely tiresome go stand in the corner

[Patriam1066]

it's not a dog whistle i'm being overtly racist against all homo sapiens

dogs are better

I agree. Women and dogs are both vastly superior to men

[Patriam1066]

Hey poke you like sports right? I got put in adult timeout for drinking too much and waking up my wife and grandson earlier this week so I can’t leave the house and I want to watch one of the soccer matches from today. Any (((recommendations)))?

[chadtwoke]

Hey poke you like sports right? I got put in adult timeout for drinking too much and waking up my wife and grandson earlier this week so I can’t leave the house and I want to watch one of the soccer matches from today. Any (((recommendations)))?

Soccer is the sport preferred by uncivilized goat fuckers and apple pickers.

Hope this helps.

[Wonkie]

Hey poke you like sports right? I got put in adult timeout for drinking too much and waking up my wife and grandson earlier this week so I can’t leave the house and I want to watch one of the soccer matches from today. Any (((recommendations)))?

soccer is awful but england plays sunday. laugh at them. for now go watch tochinoshin highlights. he could do a white yokozuna run in the next months.

next basho starts july 8

[mickmoranis]

WELL TRUMP TARIFFS ARE EXACTLY WHY YOU WANTED BERNIE OH NO

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm

OH WELL

I mean let's wake up libcucks. If you're anti trump you literally are being cucked by the Hillary Shultz DNC cus he's basically following Bernie's playbook lmao enjoy your JOI porn cuckadoodle doo's

Q: What does Bernie's track record look like with regard to Chinese trade policy?
A: Time and time again, Bernie has voted against free trade deals with China. In 1999, Bernie voted in the House against granting China "Most Favored Nation" status. In 2000, Bernie voted against Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China which aimed to create jobs, but instead lead to the loss of more than 3 million jobs for Americans.

[Ahldagor]

WELL TRUMP TARIFFS ARE EXACTLY WHY YOU WANTED BERNIE OH NO

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm

OH WELL

I mean let's wake up libcucks. If you're anti trump you literally are being cucked by the Hillary Shultz DNC cus he's basically following Bernie's playbook lmao enjoy your JOI porn cuckadoodle doo's

That was established shortly after the election, so your point is?

[Swish2]

Soccer is the sport preferred by uncivilized goat fuckers and apple pickers.

Hope this helps.

Football is the world's favorite sport. Sorry you disagree with the majority.

How about one of those world series games where the rest of the world isn't invited? lol

[Tethler]

That was established shortly after the election, so your point is?

He has no points. Only opportunities to spam the word "cuck" in the same sentence as many times as possible.

Every time I look at this thread I immediately regret it. :(

[Ahldagor]

He has no points. Only opportunities to spam the word "cuck" in the same sentence as many times as possible.

Every time I look at this thread I immediately regret it. :(

It's getting that way for me too. Same stale memerguments.

[Ahldagor]

Football is the world's favorite sport. Sorry you disagree with the majority.

How about one of those world series games where the rest of the world isn't invited? lol

World Cup has been awesome so far. How do you like England's chances?

[mickmoranis]

He has no points. Only opportunities to spam the word "cuck" in the same sentence as many times as possible.

Every time I look at this thread I immediately regret it. :(

Trumps tarrifs that the liberal media is about to start reeeeeeeing about after they're done reeeeeeeing about immigration are exactly what Bernie would have TRIED to do, only Trumps going to do it. And it's going to be a win.

Hail trump 2020 and onto 2024 lol wait for it.

[DinoTriz]

Can I get a head count? Who would support this?:

https://melmagazine.com/white-people-should-not-be-allowed-to-call-911-for-an-entire-month-fc027aac6585

Keep your hands up so I can count pls

[Irulan]

White ppl got gunz. They don't need 911

[Irulan]

P.s. I'm a grey anyway.

[Patriam1066]

World Cup has been awesome so far. How do you like England's chances?

I’m pissed because Iran could’ve beaten Spain. I don’t know about England but Belgium looks great.

[Wonkie]

Can I get a head count? Who would support this?:

https://melmagazine.com/white-people-should-not-be-allowed-to-call-911-for-an-entire-month-fc027aac6585

Keep your hands up so I can count pls

skip bayless needs a beating

[Ahldagor]

I’m pissed because Iran could’ve beaten Spain. I don’t know about England but Belgium looks great.

Germany might have woken up today. Kroos's goal was a beauty. I didn't see Iran v Spain either, but was Iran just not able to capitalize on chances?

[Swish2]

World Cup has been awesome so far. How do you like England's chances?

Out on penalties in the quarter finals :p

[Wonkie]

shore does get quiet here on homosexual pride sunday

to give a tryhard answer: there's a big problem in the clinical psychological/counselling/social work world of extremely autistic people spontaneously self-diagnosing as transgender right now. The population already is hugely susceptible to radical and changeable claims about identity. The most common form of this is seeing patients walk in with sudden, extreme left or right wing views. Every single answer to every single question is some crass political statement. Last week, I kept trying to ask one adult about controlling his temper around his mom - and he said he wouldn't calm down until Sweden stopped letting in rapists from Eritrea. That was the answer to every question.

The reason for it is simple - autistic people don't understand the concept of 'identity'. Autistic people generally only understand concepts, tasks and behaviours that are linked to immediate and clear outcomes. Another way to look at it - autistic people expect every event to be linked to a causal factor that should be immediately apparent and simple to understand (sometimes people confuse this for deep, obsessive, detail-oriented thinking - no, it's just retardation).

So when gender identity disorder is presented in the media as a reason for people to feel alienated from society, or incapable of coping with their own emotions - that's a compelling narrative for any person unable to understand the complex and changing feelings they experience in response to the world.

Gender identity disorder is 100% real and hugely studied, and therapies exist to deal with it. But when significally autistic people insist on being transgender, it's bullshit. They are literally too retarded to even get through the tests we use to identify GID or gender dysphoric feelings. It'd be like giving a calculus test to a cocker spaniel. Significantly autistic people cannot comprehend what identity is, cannot describe their own emotions, cannot dependably identify gender expression in others, cannot be tested for any of it - and this explosion in autistic/transgender co-incidence is a consequence of retards being preyed upon by shitposters.

[Ahldagor]

Out on penalties in the quarter finals :p

Lol. Well played, good sir.

[skarlorn]

to give a tryhard answer: there's a big problem in the clinical psychological/counselling/social work world of extremely autistic people spontaneously self-diagnosing as transgender right now. The population already is hugely susceptible to radical and changeable claims about identity. The most common form of this is seeing patients walk in with sudden, extreme left or right wing views. Every single answer to every single question is some crass political statement. Last week, I kept trying to ask one adult about controlling his temper around his mom - and he said he wouldn't calm down until Sweden stopped letting in rapists from Eritrea. That was the answer to every question.

The reason for it is simple - autistic people don't understand the concept of 'identity'. Autistic people generally only understand concepts, tasks and behaviours that are linked to immediate and clear outcomes. Another way to look at it - autistic people expect every event to be linked to a causal factor that should be immediately apparent and simple to understand (sometimes people confuse this for deep, obsessive, detail-oriented thinking - no, it's just retardation).

So when gender identity disorder is presented in the media as a reason for people to feel alienated from society, or incapable of coping with their own emotions - that's a compelling narrative for any person unable to understand the complex and changing feelings they experience in response to the world.

Gender identity disorder is 100% real and hugely studied, and therapies exist to deal with it. But when significally autistic people insist on being transgender, it's bullshit. They are literally too retarded to even get through the tests we use to identify GID or gender dysphoric feelings. It'd be like giving a calculus test to a cocker spaniel. Significantly autistic people cannot comprehend what identity is, cannot describe their own emotions, cannot dependably identify gender expression in others, cannot be tested for any of it - and this explosion in autistic/transgender co-incidence is a consequence of retards being preyed upon by shitposters.

This post turned me into a gay woman

[Irulan]

Wonkie is an autistic person. It's cool though. Sorry I confused you.

People misdiagnose people having autism all the time too I think.

Abusive trauma creating stunted childhood and obsessive compulsive behavior? Autism! Oh my.

Like yeah, trans ppl can also be traumatized by homophobic bullshit without ever coming out. People tend to always try to conform first. The problem is in expecting conformity. Or in ruling out a diagnosis because of another.

It's possible to suffer both a cold and asthma together. And both can trigger bronchitis.

There's this fad to blame social media on "sudden onset gender identity disorder". There is actually no such diagnosis. Obviously people shouldn't medically transition on a whim. Medical professionals aren't calling for this. The majority of people transition through informed consent as adults anyway.

The big political argument is that people are pushing this. No we are not. The only thing doctors and trans people are saying is that medical and social transition are the only effective treatments for what is now called Gender Dysphoria which is a different diagnosis from the old Gender Identity Disorder, which was originally given to a lot of not trans people. The old Gender Identity Disorder was used to indicate stuff that didn't work, like conversion therapy.

Even in the perfect ideal world we can't help everyone and every treatment isn't 100% effective. Even if being trans some how became cool. It's still hard. Even though overcoming adversity can reward us with strength, it's still adversity.

Being trans isn't cool. Kids know this. Crazy kids not withstanding. There's a lot of uncool things we don't censor and publicly shame. It's only cool to hate on transgender people, issues, science, facts, because of biases.

So in short, I think it's mostly bullshit to get any more worried and worked up over trannies than it is to get worked up over Rock'n'roll. Or Bikinis. We just aren't the social problem we are made out to be. Stop parading unscientific biased discredited speculation by quacks just to support personal bias and go experience life.

A lot of people die from chemo. We still indicate it. Same problem with transition. It's a last ditch attempt at otherwise salvaging an otherwise dead person. Kids should know this. The severity of it. And be educated just like we do with guns and weed. It shouldn't be stigmatized or made fun of.

Hope this helps your autism poke babe. I know you don't hate me.

I also think I'm a pretty good success story. I'm obviously still mad and angry but I don't hate myself and I think it shows. I think it shows that I don't take myself so seriously now either. Life is hard enough for everyone.

This long assertive post is just that. I don't hate you K. :)

[JurisDictum]

I might have mild Aspergers... Or I'm just a weirdo because my mom was crazy overprotective and pulled me out of school rather than try to get me to do my homework. See, she was a single mother social worker from a poor background. She didn't have the habits, energy, or ideology to sit down with me and make sure I'm doing my homework. Or punish me if I didn't etc.

Instead, she insisted I had a learning disability. None of the teachers in any of the schools I went to agreed with her. We would have these big meetings where all my teachers, the principal, and some psychologist that tested me would argue with her for hours. I had sit and watch it all.

When the subject came up at home she would launch into long rants about how fucked up the system was and I couldn't possibly be successful because of what they were doing. I would listen to her repeat the story over and over to her various friends when she got home from work. It didn't seem to occur to her she could have just spent the time forcing me to do my homework -- but it wasn't about me.

So by 14 I wasn't in school -- the constant moving made it hard for the truancy board to track me. I played games all day. The only reason I developed any discipline is because I wanted to get good at video games. My mom couldn't protect me from losing in Warcraft III. As ridicules as it sounds -- it got me through college despite no history of high school.

So maybe I was just a little bit socially off for those reasons -- and not because I'm on the spectrum...you guys decide.

[Ahldagor]

Smoke weed everyday.

[JurisDictum]

Smoke weed everyday.

I quit again. After the only smoking at night thing turned into the only smoking at 4:20 pm...only smoking after noon -- what a few tokes in the morning anyway?

[Irulan]

I might have mild Aspergers... Or I'm just a weirdo because my mom was crazy overprotective and pulled me out of school rather than try to get me to do my homework. See, she was a single mother social worker from a poor background. She didn't have the habits, energy, or ideology to sit down with me and make sure I'm doing my homework. Or punish me if I didn't etc.

Instead, she insisted I had a learning disability. None of the teachers in any of the schools I went to agreed with her. We would have these big meetings where all my teachers, the principal, and some psychologist that tested me would argue with her for hours. I had sit and watch it all.

When the subject came up at home she would launch into long rants about how fucked up the system was and I couldn't possibly be successful because of what they were doing. I would listen to her repeat the story over and over to her various friends when she got home from work. It didn't seem to occur to her she could have just spent the time forcing me to do my homework -- but it wasn't about me.

So by 14 I wasn't in school -- the constant moving made it hard for the truancy board to track me. I played games all day. The only reason I developed any discipline is because I wanted to get good at video games. My mom couldn't protect me from losing in Warcraft III. As ridicules as it sounds -- it got me through college despite no history of high school.

So maybe I was just a little bit socially off for those reasons -- and not because I'm on the spectrum...you guys decide.

You made a pretty sane post here. I agree with a good mentor you could have developed that discipline earlier. You're definitely not aspegers enough to indicate some kind of psychyiatric medicine. And it sucks you went through that as a kid.

I think doctors are terrible at diagnosing trans ppl and it's awful to think they'd indicate transition to someone who isn't trans, but a very sensitive kid whose just confused because all the male roll models are assholes.

It's an important discussion to have.

I didn't get the treatment I needed because ... Like you I was just the kid in the room while the adults stomped around yelling and blaming everything on me or the system and fighting over who was right. I think it was obvious that I had problems, but no one wanted to ask why I'd just cry and sit in the corner with my stuffed animal. It would have been incredibly tooo easy to just say AUTISM! shut in! Throw me into institutions and psych med me.

It's clear it didn't work. People couldn't think outside of what I should have stereotypically should have been or behaved like. We still can't really diagnose GD easily. My case wasn't obvious because I lived in a horrifically abusive environment where any deviation from the manic whims of my father ment the police and screaming and guns and violence (mostly against my mom).

So who knows? Anyway I made it through thanks to some good mentors and a hospital where I felt safe for the first time ever. Once I got out of there, I was able to at least emotionally cope and get through graduation and into the military out of that mess. It was the only way out presented to me, and my Gender Dysphoria, I'd rather call it body dyspmorphia took a backburner towards survival. Once I started to survive independently, I was faced with all those things I never was able to reconcile or talk about. Like literally praying to god to give me a female body as a kid. That's not normal behavior. It's not deviant either. But by then I should have been free to explore why I was feeling that way. Even had a compassionate adult to talk to. I didn't though.

Thanks to... Guess what. Homophobia and more specifically transphobia.

Yeah I'm a jerk to rub it in people's faces a bit maybe. But hey, I was outed. We all were outed. Now it's a public health issue.

And like I said, it needs to be discussed.

[Irulan]

To feel almost anything other than numbness and emptiness: Many of those with BPD say that they have a constant feeling of “unrealness.” They say they feel out of it and/or dissociate. Pain feels “real” and allows them to connect to the world for a while.


Hehehe.

[mickmoranis]

you know the establishment has won when the acting populous president does what the leading populous candidate on the other side of the partisan line wanted to do but the media has still convinced you to rebel and attack them.

[Ahldagor]

you know the establishment has won when the acting populous president does what the leading populous candidate on the other side of the partisan line wanted to do but the media has still convinced you to rebel and attack them.

https://i.imgur.com/tYIJPLZ.gif

[Irulan]

Sorry Trump didn't win the popular vote and has no mandate.

Sorry you should've voted for the very respectable Bernie Sanders (I didn't) instead of Cadet Bonespurs.

Also, Trumps inaugural crowd was tiny and full of Russians, lol.

~above post lovingly hand crafted by me for your personal enjoyment!

[Irulan]

I want a surprisingly well adjusted 1996 Marilyn Manson to run. For the children.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist_Superstar

[JurisDictum]

JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia (Reuters) - Amid the celebratory end of Saudi Arabia's ban on women driving on Sunday, some men expressed quiet disapproval of a change they fear will undermine the kingdom's deeply conservative Muslim identity.

"In Islam, we don't have this. During our fathers' and grandfathers' time, there was none of this women driving," said Wadih al-Marzouki, a retired government worker in the Red Sea port city of Jeddah.

He said he had advised his three son-in-laws not to let their wives drive. "It is going to be very, very difficult. God help us the first month."

The world's last such ban had been justified on a variety of religious and cultural grounds such as the proposition that women driving would promote promiscuity and sin.

One cleric claimed women were not smart enough to drive, while another warned that those who drive risk damaging their ovaries and bearing children with clinical problems.

[Patriam1066]

Women and Asians actually shouldn’t be allowed to drive so they aren’t entirely wrong

[JurisDictum]

This dude was the voice of reason:

"I support it because some families really need to have a female driving," said Abdelaziz, 26. "But I don't think a woman should drive if she doesn't need to."

[mickmoranis]

Sorry Trump didn't win the popular vote and has no mandate.

Sorry you should've voted for the very respectable Bernie Sanders (I didn't) instead of Cadet Bonespurs.

Also, Trumps inaugural crowd was tiny and full of Russians, lol.

~above post lovingly hand crafted by me for your personal enjoyment!

Trump was the populuos candidate for one half of America, Sanders was the populuos candidate for the left but he lost.

Populous =/= popular. It means the "peoples" candidate.

[Irulan]

Ok, gotcha! I agree.

[JurisDictum]

Trump's fate depends on the Democratic Nominee,

At least that's how I see it at this point. A lot can happen in 2 years.

I doubt a big 3rd party is going to be started yet...that might be the only way to get rid of the Corporate Democrats.

A Corporate Democrat is not going to win on a platform of shaming Trump about immigration.

[skarlorn]

Trump's fate depends on the Democratic Nominee,

At least that's how I see it at this point. A lot can happen in 2 years.

I doubt a big 3rd party is going to be started yet...that might be the only way to get rid of the Corporate Democrats.

A Corporate Democrat is not going to win on a platform of shaming Trump about immigration.

Even more than the Democratic nominee is the importance of the Dem platform itself. If they're moving in emotional reaction to Trump, he will probably defeat them. The dems are too cucked by hypocricy and willful ignorance to engage in the battlefield of God and win. If they can put together a new Sanders (sadly i don't think sanders will ever have the same support), and really be #aboveit, i think they can win

[zodium]

I've noticed an uptick in people (especially liberal white women from wealthy/financially stable backgrounds) talking about how we need to rekindle, reawaken, rediscover....empathy. They seem to honestly believe that a lack of empathy has gotten us to where we are, today. And certainly, there isn't a bunch of empathy in US policy right now. But there never has been.

It's just easier for those people (wealthy white women) to notice because POTUS doesn't use a Harvard Law vocabulary in an inspirational tone to dodge questions about, say, ICE. (Yes, I see you all hollering "BUT CHILD PRISONS?????" and let me just shush you now with the comment that I didn't see any of you storming the castle when Obama let police pepper spray Native kids day in, day out, or when HRC advocated bombing towns full of brown foreigners.) We have a lot of problems. We have more problems than most of you want to acknowledge, so I think we can agree that yes, there are a lot. But the problem is not a lack of empathy. White liberals have this giant fetish for performative empathy that results in you all rebuilding the GOP a playhouse when someone burned it down.

You feel, I think, that doing this stuff shows what a class act you are. Good form, and all the rest. I don't know how to say this. I really don't know how to tell you, but you're not gonna get points for good form. It makes you look like children. Fascists know this weakness of yours, that you need to think well of yourselves while actually not taking much of a stand, so they exploit you. They DO NOT secretly respect classiness. Classy is for upper crust British boarding schools. They don't respect you for your obsession with "classy". Because they can see that you really just want them to like and respect you, which makes you just so incredibly easy to lie to. Partly they have disdain for you because what you claim you want (justice, freedom, equality) isn't what you show up for (the appearance of those things). Partly they hate you because they think, like children, you're just too selfish and distractible to play Real Ball. And you know what?

They're right.

Like small children, if there's a slippery slope--you fall right down it, all the way to the bottom. Which is how you end up supporting "free speech" when it applies to Nazis but not racial justice activists. Which is how you end up mistaking asylum seekers for "illegal immigrants", and never mind that most of your ancestors showed up here to commit genocide in order to get whatever the English translation is of "Lebensraum". Which is how you think that men who stand to lose considerable power have no more reason to lie, than women whose careers and lives those men have already ruined--and then manage somehow to not question why those men would've tried to ruin those women in the first place. In short, as long as you think that there's a vanishing possibility that "the system" might fix the problems it has built itself to create, you're going to go along with almost whatever atrocity happens. Because you're scared of what a revolution would mean. I'm with you--the idea of revolution terrifies me, although for slightly different reasons. My point is, though, if you can empathize your way into understanding fascists? That makes you a fascist. And you cannot -- I can't believe we are still going over this -- you cannot convert a fascist to a nonfascist by appealing to their empathy. No atrocity ever was stopped by a victim standing up and saying "please, understand, I'm just a human like you."

So much for why empathy is irrelevant. But here is why it is dangerous. Empathy is a way of meeting in the middle. It's powerful for coalition building, precisely because in order to meet a common goal, we have to establish common ground. Empathy is how we do that. But fascists are not going to budge. So the more you cultivate empathy for "the people we don't agree with" (which, when white liberals use it, is a dogwhistle for (a) fascists or (b) pre-fascist racists), the closer they draw you to them. This is a great tool for them, because your guilt. Your desire to be respected. To be seen as classy and "reasonable". This will drive you to push yourSELF right into their arms. You're going to do all the work, and all they have to do is be there to stoke your insecurity. Then, once you're traumatized--because of course they'll never love you, no matter how much you empathize with them--they'll teach you how to turn that into anger. Because empathy didn't work. And they'll teach you to turn that anger back on the rest of us.

You'll forget that you're angry because empathy didn't work, and you won't be angry at those of us who didn't bother to try empathizing with the fascists. You'll be angry at us because you'll think that WE are the reason it didn't work. You'll keep telling yourself that you're on the good side of history, all while seeking approval and respect from people who know that as long as they withhold it, you will continue to be off-balance and refuse to take a position against them. And the longer you refuse to take a position against them, the more of their platforms they can advance. Which will be so normalized to you, that you won't push against it. Because that wouldn't be classy. So please, don't try to "cultivate empathy" for fascists, racists, and other intersectionally and by-policy bigoted people. That's playing into their hands. Because oh, here's the other thing--long as you assume you are smarter than they are, you're underestimating them a LOT.

Instead, cultivate belief. Cultivate believing victims, who you have been enculturated to believe "probably deserved it". Believe Black men--who are not super predators, but humans who are more likely than not to be victims. Believe Native women--who are not costumes or the past, but both most likely to be harmed by any man, and still here, working for justice for EVERYONE. Believe Black women--actually believe them, don't just use them as a hashtag. Believe Native men, who are probably the most likely to be killed by police. Believe trans people. Believe queer people. Believe ace people when they tell you they are queer. Believe disabled people, who are whole entire humans, no matter what we have been socialized to think. Believe children. Believe victims.

Stop believing the police. Stop believing men over women, whites over everyone, straight people over queer people, abled people above all. Start tearing down injustice, and do that by tearing down the injustices inside you. Your assumptions. Stop giving power to the warlords of hatred, by believing them that only their good opinion will set the rest of us free. Give yourself permission to be a snotnose guttersnipe--that's much more effective than being classy, and bonus, you'll have the respect of people who matter. Stop pretending that if you could only empathize enough, the fascists would stop convincing you to let them kill us while you wear a safety pin and wring your hands.

It's not going to be easy.

But you're going to sleep a lot better at night. And that's honestly the only way anyone is going to respect you. Cultivate empathy, fine, okay, do it. But do it for the people who have less power than you do. And stop telling us that we should empathize more. That's a fairytale for children.

And that ain't us. (https://twitter.com/cricketcrocker/status/1008071987078549506)

[JurisDictum]

I've noticed an uptick in people (especially liberal white women from wealthy/financially stable backgrounds) talking about how we need to rekindle, reawaken, rediscover....empathy. They seem to honestly believe that a lack of empathy has gotten us to where we are, today. And certainly, there isn't a bunch of empathy in US policy right now. But there never has been.

It's just easier for those people (wealthy white women) to notice because POTUS doesn't use a Harvard Law vocabulary in an inspirational tone to dodge questions about, say, ICE. (Yes, I see you all hollering "BUT CHILD PRISONS?????" and let me just shush you now with the comment that I didn't see any of you storming the castle when Obama let police pepper spray Native kids day in, day out, or when HRC advocated bombing towns full of brown foreigners.) We have a lot of problems. We have more problems than most of you want to acknowledge, so I think we can agree that yes, there are a lot. But the problem is not a lack of empathy. White liberals have this giant fetish for performative empathy that results in you all rebuilding the GOP a playhouse when someone burned it down.

You feel, I think, that doing this stuff shows what a class act you are. Good form, and all the rest. I don't know how to say this. I really don't know how to tell you, but you're not gonna get points for good form. It makes you look like children. Fascists know this weakness of yours, that you need to think well of yourselves while actually not taking much of a stand, so they exploit you. They DO NOT secretly respect classiness. Classy is for upper crust British boarding schools. They don't respect you for your obsession with "classy". Because they can see that you really just want them to like and respect you, which makes you just so incredibly easy to lie to. Partly they have disdain for you because what you claim you want (justice, freedom, equality) isn't what you show up for (the appearance of those things). Partly they hate you because they think, like children, you're just too selfish and distractible to play Real Ball. And you know what?

They're right.

Like small children, if there's a slippery slope--you fall right down it, all the way to the bottom. Which is how you end up supporting "free speech" when it applies to Nazis but not racial justice activists. Which is how you end up mistaking asylum seekers for "illegal immigrants", and never mind that most of your ancestors showed up here to commit genocide in order to get whatever the English translation is of "Lebensraum". Which is how you think that men who stand to lose considerable power have no more reason to lie, than women whose careers and lives those men have already ruined--and then manage somehow to not question why those men would've tried to ruin those women in the first place. In short, as long as you think that there's a vanishing possibility that "the system" might fix the problems it has built itself to create, you're going to go along with almost whatever atrocity happens. Because you're scared of what a revolution would mean. I'm with you--the idea of revolution terrifies me, although for slightly different reasons. My point is, though, if you can empathize your way into understanding fascists? That makes you a fascist. And you cannot -- I can't believe we are still going over this -- you cannot convert a fascist to a nonfascist by appealing to their empathy. No atrocity ever was stopped by a victim standing up and saying "please, understand, I'm just a human like you."

So much for why empathy is irrelevant. But here is why it is dangerous. Empathy is a way of meeting in the middle. It's powerful for coalition building, precisely because in order to meet a common goal, we have to establish common ground. Empathy is how we do that. But fascists are not going to budge. So the more you cultivate empathy for "the people we don't agree with" (which, when white liberals use it, is a dogwhistle for (a) fascists or (b) pre-fascist racists), the closer they draw you to them. This is a great tool for them, because your guilt. Your desire to be respected. To be seen as classy and "reasonable". This will drive you to push yourSELF right into their arms. You're going to do all the work, and all they have to do is be there to stoke your insecurity. Then, once you're traumatized--because of course they'll never love you, no matter how much you empathize with them--they'll teach you how to turn that into anger. Because empathy didn't work. And they'll teach you to turn that anger back on the rest of us.

You'll forget that you're angry because empathy didn't work, and you won't be angry at those of us who didn't bother to try empathizing with the fascists. You'll be angry at us because you'll think that WE are the reason it didn't work. You'll keep telling yourself that you're on the good side of history, all while seeking approval and respect from people who know that as long as they withhold it, you will continue to be off-balance and refuse to take a position against them. And the longer you refuse to take a position against them, the more of their platforms they can advance. Which will be so normalized to you, that you won't push against it. Because that wouldn't be classy. So please, don't try to "cultivate empathy" for fascists, racists, and other intersectionally and by-policy bigoted people. That's playing into their hands. Because oh, here's the other thing--long as you assume you are smarter than they are, you're underestimating them a LOT.

Instead, cultivate belief. Cultivate believing victims, who you have been enculturated to believe "probably deserved it". Believe Black men--who are not super predators, but humans who are more likely than not to be victims. Believe Native women--who are not costumes or the past, but both most likely to be harmed by any man, and still here, working for justice for EVERYONE. Believe Black women--actually believe them, don't just use them as a hashtag. Believe Native men, who are probably the most likely to be killed by police. Believe trans people. Believe queer people. Believe ace people when they tell you they are queer. Believe disabled people, who are whole entire humans, no matter what we have been socialized to think. Believe children. Believe victims.

Stop believing the police. Stop believing men over women, whites over everyone, straight people over queer people, abled people above all. Start tearing down injustice, and do that by tearing down the injustices inside you. Your assumptions. Stop giving power to the warlords of hatred, by believing them that only their good opinion will set the rest of us free. Give yourself permission to be a snotnose guttersnipe--that's much more effective than being classy, and bonus, you'll have the respect of people who matter. Stop pretending that if you could only empathize enough, the fascists would stop convincing you to let them kill us while you wear a safety pin and wring your hands.

It's not going to be easy.

But you're going to sleep a lot better at night. And that's honestly the only way anyone is going to respect you. Cultivate empathy, fine, okay, do it. But do it for the people who have less power than you do. And stop telling us that we should empathize more. That's a fairytale for children.

And that ain't us. (https://twitter.com/cricketcrocker/status/1008071987078549506)

Nice speech...

But wtf does that have to do with the reality that we can't just let everyone into America and put them on benefits. The reason Dems are so pro-immigration is so they don't have to improve the quality of life for your average white working shmuck. They agree with their CEO backers that those people are losers and don't deserve it. Let's instead import grateful brown people into the country that work for nothing.

This is the big disconnect. Ordinary Americans want to improve the life of ordinary Americans. They are confronted with 2 sets of snake-oil salesmen.

1) Democrats that oppose any real redistribution and talk about race and immigration

2) Republicans that speak in platitudes about liberty and freedom and other shit that only helps the well-off to begin with. Even in its most populist form your talking about helping out more gifted individuals at the expense of the less endowed...helping those that can help themselves.

Philosophical pragmatism has produced the best results in policy from what I can tell. Stop trying to explain the world and justice every time confront problems. We don't need that to rationalize any action. We just need to do what is likely to solve the problem.

[JurisDictum]

Did he type this? I might consider preliminary skimming it if someone else can vet

The gist of it is that empathy forms majority coalitions and anti-empathetic coalitions like the Nazi's tend to fail out in the end.

[DinoTriz]

Empathy will destroy us.

Today I saw the neighborhood kids outside playing with toy guns and I instantly smiled.

"They're learning to kill. They're learning about tactics." I thought to myself.

One of them even yelled out the word 'flank'.

These were kids between 4-9 years old. Instinctively embracing the warrior spirit. Multi-racial, multi-gender children fighting for their tribe.

They will provide great protection for our family and nation-state. Uuuurah-ha! To Valhalla and praise be unto Rallos Zek!

[Irulan]

Hmmmm. The loss of innocence. I must look up the etymology of innocence one day.

empathy(variable) isn't good or bad. It just is. It has facets or properties. Same with psychopathy.

[Patriam1066]

UBI is needed. That requires an honest debate about immigration and the 14th amendment. GDP growth hasn’t really translated to GDP per capita growth for the average American. In other words, arguments for immigration, especially at current levels, are specious. Only 62% of Americans work. That is partially a result of an aging population, but without immigration 3.9% unemployment would translate into rising wages. You guys fuck yourselves by being permissive on immigration. Automation will hurt industry more than free trade but a more competitive labor market would absolute help he average person without a college degree

[DinoTriz]

Hmmmm. The loss of innocence. I must look up the etymology of innocence one day.

empathy(variable) isn't good or bad. It just is. It has facets or properties. Same with psychopathy.

Etymology will destroy us as well.

[Irulan]

Those places that were experimenting with UBI are rolling it back, no? I don't want UBI, just a promise in writing that I won't be slowly tortured to death.

Etymology makes u crazy. It's a dangerous drug.

[JurisDictum]

Those places that were experimenting with UBI are rolling it back, no? I don't want UBI, just a promise in writing that I won't be slowly tortured to death.

Etymology makes u crazy. It's a dangerous drug.

Well who needs UBI in Denmark?

It's kind of retarded. They already have very little inequality problems.

UBI is a way for a Liberal Market Economy like ours to redistribute wealth to ordinary people without changing the whole system of laws radically. It's not like we have big institutionalized unions here...are we supposed to make those? It's not like we "lock-in" capital to prevent rapid short-termism like they do there...the list goes on and on

It is truly daunting to try to copy what Denmark or other socialist countries have done. UBI is actually pretty damn simple and easy to execute.

Edit: keep in mind -- it didn't crash the economy...they just decided it wasn't worth it.

[zodium]

Well who needs UBI in Denmark?

It's kind of retarded. They already have very little inequality problems.

UBI is a way for a Liberal Market Economy like ours to redistribute wealth to ordinary people without changing the whole system of laws radically. It's not like we have big institutionalized unions here...are we supposed to make those? It's not like we "lock-in" capital to prevent rapid short-termism like they do there...the list goes on and on

It is truly daunting to try to copy what Denmark or other socialist countries have done. UBI is actually pretty damn simple and easy to execute.

Edit: keep in mind -- it didn't crash the economy...they just decided it wasn't worth it.

denmark doesn't have UBI and has never tried UBI lol

you're the worst poster

[zodium]

most americans across the whole left-right spectrum would have their minds totally blown by how any given nordic country actually works. i swear it's like the dumber americans all think it's narnia over here or something lmao

[JurisDictum]

I don't what do you guys think would help people more...the bullshit welfare system we have, or giving every adult citizen $5,500? I think is pretty obvious.

We could do this by essentially getting rid of welfare and replacing it with UBI and we would save money.

Edit: We can seriously afford to give everyone quite a bit more than 600 a month...I'm just saying right now, for less money that stupid programs like foodstamps, bang 600 a month for every citizen.

[zodium]

I don't what do you guys think would help people more...the bullshit welfare system we have, or giving every adult citizen $5,500? I think is pretty obvious.

We could do this by essentially getting rid of welfare and replacing it with UBI and we would save money.

your understanding of how welfare works is facile to the point of absolute meaninglessness. its not a fucking menu item you pick off and have your policy chef cook up for you so you can try how UBI tastes like, there're fractal onion-layers of consensus building cultural machinery at work we've spent longer time developing than the united states has existed.

[Wonkie]

Did he type this? I might consider preliminary skimming it if someone else can vet

i don't think so. last i knew he was danish. skim says american written.

let's naturalize him anyway. male but might be blonde?

[JurisDictum]

denmark doesn't have UBI and has never tried UBI lol

you're the worst poster

It was Finland

No gives a fuck dude. You'll kind of the same to us.