******Official politics thread ******

[skarlorn]

I want to stress the "Invest in Bitcoin".

Trade volume is terrible and we need new blood.

I've lost $17,000 since December.
Hehe

[DinoTriz]

Hehe

It hurts.

[Wonkie]

the lesson of bitcoin is to invest in crazy nerd shit early

so many boomers pwned tho so thats good

[Swish2]

I want to stress the "Invest in Bitcoin".

Trade volume is terrible and we need new blood.

I've lost $17,000 since December.

$19,300 down to $6,300

https://i.imgur.com/y8xBLcV.gif

[mickmoranis]

How's your Cenk Uygur impression?

"I haven't come up with a new thing to talk about in 2 years."

How's that?

[DinoTriz]

"I haven't come up with a new thing to talk about in 2 years."

How's that?

You're supposed to say "OF COOURSE!!"

[DinoTriz]

https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left

Bernie Sanders is now a Nazi, apparently.

[Wonkie]

https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left

Bernie Sanders is now a Nazi, apparently.

can't find 'nazi' or 'fascist' in this article

sometimes i think you only say outrageous things for attention :o

[DinoTriz]

can't find 'nazi' or 'fascist' in this article

sometimes i think you only say outrageous things for attention :o

Anything that isn't Left is automatically a Nazi.

Try to keep up, Wonkie.

[ibetweenk]

nice 5 pages i just climbed a vertical mile in 1.5 hrs

[Patriam1066]

U don't rly live in Indiana right???????

[mickmoranis]

https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left

Bernie Sanders is now a Nazi, apparently.

We already knew thus tho from the Bernie Bros that sexy harrass hillbilly Clinton followers in 2016

[mickmoranis]

I mean OF COURSE we already knew this OF COURSE

[Patriam1066]

You seem like you’d be from there though

[DinoTriz]

i can't run 200 miles an hour

Pfft pleb

[Irulan]

The Kangchenjunga is the highest mountain peak in India and ranked 3rd highest summit in the world with an elevation of 8,586 m (28,169 ft). The highest mountain Kangchenjunga is located at the border of India and Nepal in the great Himalayas range,Sikkim.

[Wonkie]

check out the topography of indiana, retards. i can't run 200 miles an hour

https://i.imgur.com/swJKOFO.jpg

grats on hill

[Swish2]

more like orc hill amirite?

[mickmoranis]

Won't be long family

https://twitter.com/xBc26x/status/1013237906540859394

[Wonkie]

Won't be long family

https://twitter.com/xBc26x/status/1013237906540859394

*cops execute both sides in the street*

Fair and Balanced

[Patriam1066]

*cops execute both sides in the street*

Fair and Balanced

I support that. The military instead of the cops though

Throw firecrackers at rednecks, great idea. Those hippies got lit up by a few good punches

[Wonkie]

does patriam count as white?

@J

[Patriam1066]

No

White people believe in ghosts. I don’t

[Wonkie]

patriam is "one of the good ones"

lol

[aaezil]

I trust you are all felony offenders and can’t vote, which makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

[LulzSect©]

mayor gubbins is a federale

[Irulan]

Nope I'm a good girl. Gonna vote 4 black n female, they deserve some leadership time at the helm of this great nation. Enjoy.

[Irulan]

Also R now state department shenanigans with ppls IDs is way out of control. All you sovcit, civil liberties, constitutionalists, freedom of movement loving supposed citizens should not be approving of this papers plz dystopic police state strong arming b.s.

I'd be really worried if you're a natural birth lol. They gonna be deporting natural born Americans or camping them pretty soon.

Have fun with y'alls shitshow. Nn :p

[Tethler]

Won't be long family

https://twitter.com/xBc26x/status/1013237906540859394

Wont be long until what? Until you can shoot a liberal? Go for it man, then you can go to prison and get sodomized by minorities. Though maybe that's what you've wanted all along, but you can't come out and say it. Your shame and self hatred fuels your aggression.

I think you'd feel a lot better if you just come out and admit you want to be penetrated by a minority. Accept yourself.

[zodium]

it owns that both the american left and the right are now openly welcoming the coming civil war like it's gonna be a good thing for either and not something that'll just cause total pandemonium and suffering lol

civil wars are good, and easy to win

[Irulan]

They should make ppl survive in the wild naked 3 weeks b4 they are allowed to vote or hold office.

[Irulan]

it owns that both the american left and the right are now openly welcoming the coming civil war like it's gonna be a good thing for either and not something that'll just cause total pandemonium and suffering lol

civil wars are good, and easy to win

Also we won't ever see a civil war. It will just be disparate groups killing like gangs and claiming to be on a side. And blowing up things. Whoever happens to be in power will declare a state of emergency and use the full might of the military to round up and kill people associated with the groups they don't like. Or as u can see how fucking retarded gov ppl are, they'll just go after ppl mistakenly over assumptions or upset phone calls from dumb scareds, and call it collateral.

Aka everyone is a terrorist.

Hope you all enjoy this.

[zodium]

oh ok, it won't be a civil war, it'll just be a period where all the things that happen during a civil war happen

[DinoTriz]

Does a civil war extend to internet forums?

Who wants to fight to the death??

We'll have to do so by playing "Rock, Paper, Scissors".

I'll go first:

Scissors

Alright, don't cheat now. What did you play?

[zodium]

no.

it's like, imagine how shocked you were when the nocoiners turned out to have been right all along. it's gonna be just like that, only instead of being down $17,000, you'll be down a head.

[DinoTriz]

no.

it's like, imagine how shocked you were when the nocoiners turned out to have been right all along. it's gonna be just like that, only instead of being down $17,000, you'll be down a head.

Hoping for a civil war lines up with my crypto investments.

So please bring on the civil war.

Leftists can't kill me while I'm sipping on margaritas in the Caribbean.

[zodium]

Hoping for a civil war lines up with my crypto investments.

peak HODL achieved lol

[DinoTriz]

peak HODL achieved lol

I.... Will... Not... Sell

[zodium]

if u think about it i'm a real nomericaner spreading FUD and u should HODL HODL HODL america!!

[DinoTriz]

In order to spread FUD you need to be relevant and influential.

[zodium]

:cool:

[zodium]

it can't have been easy for you to admit that, good on u Dino

[DinoTriz]

it can't have been easy for you to admit that, good on u Dino

It's not hard to "admit" you're irrelevant. You just are.

It's like "admitting" the grass is green.

[maskedmelonpai]

Does a civil war extend to internet forums?

Who wants to fight to the death??

We'll have to do so by playing "Rock, Paper, Scissors".

I'll go first:

Scissors

Alright, don't cheat now. What did you play?

*brandishes a pair of red plastic scissors menacingly*

*smirks confidently*

...

*glances from Triz's scissors to hers and back*



*swallows uncomfortably and looks up with slightly flushed cheeks*



did we just....?

[DinoTriz]

*brandishes a pair of red plastic scissors menacingly*

*smirks confidently*

...

*glances from Triz's scissors to hers and back*



*swallows uncomfortably and looks up with slightly flushed cheeks*



did we just....?

https://i.imgur.com/PRgweHp.gif

[maskedmelonpai]

GRAPHIC

*turns red and runs away*

[mickmoranis]

it owns that both the american left and the right are now openly welcoming the coming civil war like it's gonna be a good thing for either and not something that'll just cause total pandemonium and suffering lol

civil wars are good, and easy to win

It'll be a good thing for me, idk about either side.

[DinoTriz]

It'll be a good thing for me, idk about either side.

I still need to zero my brand new SAM7R (that's right - I paid more than $400 for an AK)

https://i.imgur.com/9hTXjTU.jpg

[maskedmelonpai]

it owns that both the american left and the right are now openly welcoming the coming civil war like it's gonna be a good thing for either and not something that'll just cause total pandemonium and suffering lol

civil wars are good, and easy to win

idiocy is indiscriminate :c there is the right, the left and the reasoned, rejected by both.

[Irulan]

oh ok, it won't be a civil war, it'll just be a period where all the things that happen during a civil war happen

No. There won't be a north or south. People won't be conscripted. There won't be a secession. The violence will be more random. People won't line up in fields and there won't be a victor. There won't be two governments. It will be civilians vs civilians. Then it will be the government vs civilians.

You're right everyone loses.

During the civil war, there was a military and government on both sides.

It'd be more like revolution. Than civil war. Not even revolution so much.

[DinoTriz]

https://i.imgur.com/5cXFpjJ.jpg

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/5cXFpjJ.jpg

I am a huge fan of the purge movies, however.. with the way every woman today that watches the handmaids tale says, "YOU KNOW THIS SHOW IS IMPORTANT FOR WOMAN BECAUSE ITS VERY REAL AND HAPPENING TODAY IN REAL TI--" ok woman I dont care this is how science fiction works, welcome to the party, thanks for mansplaining it to me.

I dont look forward to listening to every democrat suddenly becoming a fan of the purge because they're going to be like "YOU KNOW THIS MOVIE IS IMPORTANT FOR WOMAN BECAUSE ITS VERY REAL AND HAPPENING TODAY IN REAL TIME"

[DinoTriz]

I dont look forward to listening to every democrat suddenly becoming a fan of the purge because they're going to be like "YOU KNOW THIS MOVIE IS IMPORTANT FOR WOMAN BECAUSE ITS VERY REAL AND HAPPENING TODAY IN REAL TIME"

The newest one panders to black people and perpetuates the narrative of "Every white person and cop wants to kill you".

Normal and healthy propaganda.

[Irulan]

Antifa are dumb unhappy retards who are terrible at punching ppl but they out number weirdo christofascists at least 2-1.

The sad irony is mick talks more about antifa than Jesus. It makes me want to break out my book of Mormon.

Anyway the fighting would look more like that terrorist attack in Paris.

Mostly innocent bystanders would be hurt by civil unrest.

If you're advocating violence or threatening it, you're a dumb fuck crazy.

Btw PDX was like 150 angry low T closet cases vs 200 morons and 100 people paid and radicalized to do dumb shit and start fights.

There were like a few thousand peaceful protesters about immigration earlier. Yet mick focuses and hones in on the gang banger after party.

[DinoTriz]

Antifa are dumb unhappy retards who are terrible at punching ppl but they out number weirdo christofascists at least 2-1.

The sad irony is mick talks more about antifa than Jesus. It makes me want to break out my book of Mormon.

Anyway the fighting would look more like that terrorist attack in Paris.

Mostly innocent bystanders would be hurt by civil unrest.

If you're advocating violence or threatening it, you're a dumb fuck crazy.

Btw PDX was like 150 angry low T closet cases vs 200 morons and 100 people paid and radicalized to do dumb shit and start fights.

There were like a few thousand peaceful protesters about immigration earlier. Yet mick focuses and hones in on the gang banger after party.

Antifa always gets their shit pushed in though, it's hilarious.

Most of these conflicts happen in leftwing strongholds too.

The moment they think about pushing this into Smalltown, USA they're going to get a hard dose of reality and they're going to blame their deaths on someone else.

[Irulan]

Antifa always gets their shit pushed in though, it's hilarious.

Most of these conflicts happen in leftwing strongholds too.

The moment they think about pushing this into Smalltown, USA they're going to get a hard dose of reality and they're going to blame their deaths on someone else.

I think that's the plan, then they'll try to escalate to the terrorism I'm trying to talk about. Hope it doesn't get so bad Trump forms UNATCO. But it may.

Also, I hope they don't blow up Lady Liberty.

[DinoTriz]

I think that's the plan, then they'll try to escalate to the terrorism I'm trying to talk about. Hope it doesn't get so bad Trump forms UNATCO. But it might.

Trump could stage his own Reichstag fire in this environment.

Maybe that's what Leftists want though.

[DinoTriz]

Also, I hope they don't blow up Lady Liberty.

We have more of them, just in case.

https://i.imgur.com/2jHi82i.jpg

[Irulan]

Trump could stage his own Reichstag fire in this environment.

Maybe that's what Leftists want though.

I don't think Trump needs to actually do it. Some rando would do it for him.

We have more of them, just in case.

https://i.imgur.com/2jHi82i.jpg

:cool:

[Irulan]

By this point the pattern is obvious to me. I encourage people to repost this but please don't attribute it to me. If people can start seeing their existence in these terms it'll help a lot.

---

The Cycle:

* You have a lot of free time and a lot of problems in your life
* You fill your time by hate-fantasizing about other people. Maybe you connect to an echo chamber or propaganda chamber
* Your time-wasting didn't actually change things so now you're even worse off. Now you're in a bad mood so you lash out at the people around you
* People stop interacting with you because you're toxic, which means you have more free time and more problems... return to step 1

Things that push you into The Cycle:

* Social isolation
* Feelings of guilt from being unproductive
* You know your life is awful but you lack awareness that it has to be you who seeks to improve your life
* You know your life is awful but you lack opportunities or you lack the ability to change anything

I hate to do this smug cold reading but I think large sections of the of American society's problems are due to people being caught in The Cycle.

* Random mass violence; someone online in your echo chamber figured how to weaponize your pain and point it at someone else
* School/workplace violence due to being socially isolated; you can't release your emotions through normal social interactions and you lash out at others to release them
* Continually seeking things on social media to stoke your anger; being angry all the time only makes you less productive
* Hate-fantasizing about the political party that opposes your views; blaming other people for everything is just an attempt to quiet those guilty feelings you haven't ever released because you're super unproductive
* Taking opiates to try to silence that voice that whispers that your life is awful and there's nothing you can do to change things; I know it's a short-term escape but it's obviously destructive in the long-term

If you're in The Cycle, I can't promise that things will get better but I do promise to you that things won't improve themselves; you have to keep trying to change things until something works.

[DinoTriz]

The way I look at it is, if you're not affected by your "bogeymen" in your personal life it's probably best not to sperg out about it.

If I ran outside right now and screamed "Antifa is out of control!!" someone would respond "Who??"

Media focuses on small conflicts because it gets clicks.

For the Right, it's Antifa.

For the Left, it's White Supremacists.

It's fun to shit post, but both of these factions are small and do not pose a threat.

Most, if not all, Leftists I know are decent.

Most, if not all, Right wingers I know are decent.

I occasionally surround myself in an echo chamber but I try not to lose sight of that fact.

[mickmoranis]

hey we passed another milestone guys, congratulations.

https://i.imgur.com/4nSBP20.png

[Irulan]

Most people I know IRL don't really say "I'm a leftist or a right winger".

A few say #MAGA and are like OMG TRUMP IS GOD. But that's them lol.... and probably because they are liek just glad Obama isn't president again, and where I live, they asexually identify that way.

But we all have our major and minor political beefs and we shouldn't totally dismiss them either because of some crazy dumbdumbs. I feel like that happens a lot and legitimate issues get drowned out in the sea of dumb. It's really hard to be like hey, yeah, that Alex Azar guy is bad news for opiate shortages and morphine problems. #NYTIMESFAKENEWS

[mickmoranis]

The newest one panders to black people and perpetuates the narrative of "Every white person and cop wants to kill you".

Normal and healthy propaganda.

its funny how we live in a world where the left thinks the content of a movie drives the behavior of people.

unless its violence then they're like art imitates life, life does not imitate art!

[Irulan]

hey we passed another milestone guys, congratulations.

https://i.imgur.com/4nSBP20.png

That's a good one, mucho props 2u

congratz on being a major historian

i'll be back to wish u a happy 4th with some corndogs and beer

[Irulan]

its funny how we live in a world where the left thinks the content of a movie drives the behavior of people.

unless its violence then they're like art imitates life, life does not imitate art!

you're right, movies shouldn't make ppl violent. Y do they tho?

[maskedmelonpai]

wow, kinda feel special holding the opening post on that page ^^

until someone gets banned anyway :c


NOONE GET BANNED NOMORE PLZ.

[Wonkie]

https://youtu.be/y1lougu_nis

[Irulan]

https://youtu.be/y1lougu_nis

99% of fox news casters are closeted trannies :(

(P.S. I smiled wonkiesan).

[Wonkie]

99% of fox news casters are closeted trannies :(

(P.S. I smiled wonkiesan).

Tucker Carlson

[Irulan]

Tucker Carlson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNkrF43SZEU

[DinoTriz]

99% of fox news casters are closeted trannies :(

(P.S. I smiled wonkiesan).

You guys are so bigoted. We're open minded now:

https://i.imgur.com/622t6pi.gif

[Irulan]

You guys are so bigoted. We're open minded now:

https://i.imgur.com/622t6pi.gif

Debating if I want to consider this real or not. I suppose, somewhere, someone did it, and it's not CGI, but if it was, is CGI real? I mean it exists, somewhere, in someones brain, awareness, and consciousness, and now mine.

Thanks a lot.

Is this what the singularity feels like?

[Patriam1066]

https://youtu.be/y1lougu_nis

Fox News is basically propaganda. I’d add that the other cable news networks are as well, but fox and msnbc are purposefully dishonest

[Mblake1981]

It is called "United States Fair and Reciprocal Tariff Act," but many are simply calling it the "FART Act," including former members of the White House and journalists on Twitter.

Anthony Scaramucci, who served as Trump's director of communications for 10 days, said that the bill "stinks" as it would ask US consumers to pay for tariffs.

[mickmoranis]

Lead designer at Blizzard is pissing all over the faces of the libtards https://twitter.com/Grummz

https://i.imgur.com/a9xJZUZ.png

its hilarious

GG GRUMMZ! GO GET EM!

Hes dunking hard on the replies

https://i.imgur.com/f1evB6A.png

EZ EZ EZ

[DinoTriz]

I'm surprised he hasn't been fired yet.

Give it time. The outrage mob will have his head soon.

[Nibblewitz]

Democracy and individualism are patently better than their alternatives.

No downsides whatsoever.

[DinoTriz]

Democracy and individualism are patently better than their alternatives.

No downsides whatsoever.

Both of those are products of a white male supremacist patriarchy though.

[Irulan]

You have to admit Mark Kern isn't worried about his passport getting denied cuz the state department is being fucky and he was a foster child and his records got sealed because he was sex trafficed and he's not worried about his kids getting snatched.

Not having experienced this, doesn't make him an evil monster, but not giving a flying fuck does make people like him assholes. You call us names all the time, don't be hypocritical now that the tables are turned.

Thanks Trump, for bringing this all to my attention.

[DinoTriz]

You have to admit Mark Kern isn't worried about his passport getting denied cuz the state department is being fucky and he was a foster child and his records got sealed because he was sex trafficed and he's not worried about his kids getting snatched.

All of that sounds preferable to losing your job over wrong think becoming the norm.

[Irulan]

All of that sounds preferable to losing your job over wrong think becoming the norm.

What if I told you wrong think is already the norm, and this year just cements it solidly into place? AKA it does not help fix wrong think. Regardless of your stance. Ppl are fucking done. Checked out. Toast. A fucking clusterfuck. Gibbed.

[DinoTriz]

What if I told you wrong think is already the norm, and this year just cements it solidly into place? AKA it does not help fix wrong think. Regardless of your stance. Ppl are fucking done. Checked out. Toast. A fucking clusterfuck. Gibbed.

So you want to force people to think a certain way?

[Irulan]

So you want to force people to think a certain way?

No, I want a fucking passport and birth certificate that == me, that I own, that I control, and not to be thrown in jail or snatched within 100 miles of the border or deliberately outed and put at risk because I AM (transcends thinking) a certain way.

How fucking hard is that? Apparently too fucking hard for for us today.

Way to get US vets that served on foreign soil deported and silenced too.

You can cognative dissonance at me all day, but it's undeniable the fucky shit Trump Pence is doing.

[Wonkie]

i thought political correctness meant dont say slurs?

[DinoTriz]

You can get a passport and birth certificate.

I doubt you will be thrown in jail or snatched for being within 100 miles of the border.

Who deliberately outs people?

Is this your Bogeyman, Irulan?

[DinoTriz]

i thought political correctness meant dont say slurs?

Political Correctness changes everyday and that's part of the problem.

[Irulan]

You can get a passport and birth certificate.

I doubt you will be thrown in jail or snatched for being within 100 miles of the border.

Who deliberately outs people?

Is this your Bogeyman, Irulan?

This is happening, and has happened, it was happening under Obama too btw. But Trumps appointees ratcheted it out to mach30

Right now, I need to lawyer battle simply to protect myself and ensure I exist and have rights where ppl kike Mark Kern just jack off into outerspace with zero fucks given, and it's getting way worse.

That is your and his right. You hare entitled, your free to be like that. But don't fucking call it American and expect me to smile and say "HAIL GOD EMPEROR".

Fuck that. Fuck America right now. Fuck the Republican party being turned to shit with the face of a fuckface who can't say the truth 3 days later on twitter on all caps. Fuck the dems that will be the boogeymen. Because we are fucking gonna lose. You think your winning R now. But you don't realize how fucking bad it's gonna be dude.

I'm not scared of Trump, I'm scared at every fucking fuckfaced fucking retarded ass N to the duoG plus every C to the A C and R. And I know what kinda shit their gonna turn this shit into and I know how fucked I am. Because.

I'm fucked. If you don't want to believe how fucked I am thats fine, but I've been fucked for a long time and everything I have i have because i fought for it, and I'm gonna keep fighting, but there's a reason people like me are fucking unhappy, and it's not because of our nature.

[Wonkie]

Political Correctness changes everyday and that's part of the problem.

lol

[Patriam1066]

No, I want a fucking passport and birth certificate that == me, that I own, that I control, and not to be thrown in jail or snatched within 100 miles of the border or deliberately outed and put at risk because I AM (transcends thinking) a certain way.

How fucking hard is that? Apparently too fucking hard for for us today.

Way to get US vets that served on foreign soil deported and silenced too.

You can cognative dissonance at me all day, but it's undeniable the fucky shit Trump Pence is doing.

Take your lithium bud

Jesus Christ

[DinoTriz]

kike Mark Kern

wtf??

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/VK96IYL.jpg

[Irulan]

This is happening, and has happened, it was happening under Obama too btw. But Trumps appointees ratcheted it out to mach30

Right now, I need to lawyer battle simply to protect myself and ensure I exist and have rights where ppl like Mark Kern just jack off into outerspace with zero fucks given, and it's getting way worse.

That is your and his right. You hare entitled, your free to be like that. But don't fucking call it American and expect me to smile and say "HAIL GOD EMPEROR" (ITLL BE OK I PROMOSE).

Fuck that. Fuck America right now. Fuck the Republican party being turned to shit with the face of a fuckface who can't say the truth 3 days later on twitter on all caps. Fuck the dems that will be the boogeymen. Because we are fucking gonna lose. You think your winning R now. But you don't realize how fucking bad it's gonna be dude.

I'm not scared of Trump, I'm scared at every fucking fuckfaced fucking retarded ass N to the duoG plus every C to the A C and R. And I know what kinda shit their gonna turn this shit into and I know how fucked I am. Because.

I'm fucked. If you don't want to believe how fucked I am thats fine, but I've been fucked for a long time and everything I have i have because i fought for it, and I'm gonna keep fighting, but there's a reason people like me are fucking unhappy, and it's not because of our nature.


NO it wont' be OK U FUCKY FUCKS

[Irulan]

wtf??

like. Google is being FUCKY, they edited my shit in the airwaves u FUCK

[Irulan]

*votes Trump*
*travels w bodyguards*
*calls helpful ppl if detained in a foreign land*
Haha!

I don't need to tell u i'm pissed off. Don't be a fucking cunt.

[Patriam1066]

So I’d like to add some information regarding whether I’m white or not. I voted trump in 2016 and listen to Dave Matthews band

Does this change anything

[Irulan]

The most annoying part of this FUCKERY is that SOME OF U FUCKS won't pay attention or care until the pendulum swings back in the other direction. And you are so delusional as to think EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE AND UR TOO GOD DAMNED POWERFUL AND UNTOUCHABLE.

[Irulan]

So I’d like to add some information regarding whether I’m white or not. I voted trump in 2016 and listen to Dave Matthews band

Does this change anything

Dave mathews is horrendously gay. Sorry.

[Wonkie]

stop being a ball hog

[Irulan]

We truly appreciate it when you minorities put in a lot of effort

Kike Mike Kern is a white fucking cracker who plays with himself on the bidet and I don't fucking owe him shit. Thread closed.

[Irulan]

Chill dude I'm just pranking on U

It's not about U or me dude. (female gender implied)

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/nIMW0eY.jpg

[Irulan]

Also my blood sugar is low and I'm fucking angry today, I have a lot of pent up fustration and I don't have star wars blasters to play with.

[Patriam1066]

Get a job

[DinoTriz]

What exactly is "kike" Mark Kern saying that is so offensive though?

It sounds like he is legitimately trying to help the Left.

[Irulan]

What exactly is "kike" Mark Kern saying that is so offensive though?

It sounds like he is legitimately trying to help the Left.

He's actually very 10000% right, correct. And I wanted to say Godblesshim#MAGA# and he seems to have gone out of his way to be nice about it.

buttt...

he's also a condescending prick and an asshole for saying "Don't be angrymadsadbads or upsetworried".

That's like telling a white supremacist who's mother was raped by MS13 and killed and who anal raped him infront of him to just kinda relax about blackbrown people from mexico.

I really, don't want to get into how pissed off I am as a human being, but I think you can prob feel it sum. R now thats the emotion I'm wearing on my sleeve.

It's not all 1000% bad though.

[Wonkie]

What exactly is "kike" Mark Kern saying that is so offensive though?

It sounds like he is legitimately trying to help the Left.

his help is like a down's childs

[DinoTriz]

That's like telling a white supremacist who's mother was raped by MS13 and killed and who anal raped him to just kinda relax about blackbrown people from mexico.

Your mother was raped by MS13 and killed and they anal raped you, metaphorically speaking?

[Irulan]

Get a job

Good advice, thx. Not doing any good r now.

[zodium]

Lead designer at Blizzard is pissing all over the faces of the libtards https://twitter.com/Grummz

https://i.imgur.com/a9xJZUZ.png[/IMG]

check out this moron

"YOU HAVE TO WANT ME BACK"

they don't lol

lol

[DinoTriz]

his help is like a down's childs

He's listing out ways that the Democrats can win his vote back.

He's literally giving you the answers.

[Irulan]

Your mother was raped by MS13 and killed and they anal raped you, metaphorically speaking?

I don't want to give personal details, but yeah. I don't want to compete in the misery parade, but yeah, it's probably comparable, or worse.

Some philosophical bullshit about being able to weigh pain/wrongs.

What matters is that it's fucking real. U can listen up, or not take me seriously.

I don't really care if you take me seriously right now. So you absolutely have my permission to be fucky, not that you fucking need it.

[DinoTriz]

check out this moron

"YOU HAVE TO WANT ME BACK"

they don't lol

lol

Euro, you're out of your element.

Your hubris isn't helping.

[Irulan]

I closely follow video game news. what about yall

Not really.

[Wonkie]

He's listing out ways that the Democrats can win his vote back.

He's literally giving you the answers.

elections are more about turnout than appealing to traitors

[zodium]

i think the most amazing thing about it all is that people who think they're in the "middle" believe everyone wants to be their friend when increasingly both sides clearly just want them to fuck off and die

the idea of being so unlikeable that people don't even want their help is just inconceivable to them

THEY HAVE TO WANT ME

[Irulan]

elections are more about turnout than appealing to traitors

They can't be traitors because they never really took a stand or bothered to care (At least AFAIKnow&Care.) They just followed the status quo. Nothing has obviously changed to them.

If they can't be bothered to dig deep and look at why people are pissed at them. What's the point?

i think the most amazing thing about it all is that people who think they're in the "middle" believe everyone wants to be their friend when increasingly both sides clearly just want them to fuck off and die

the idea of being so unlikeable that people don't even want their help is just inconceivable to them

THEY HAVE TO WANT ME

This. This is why I'm not really friendly all the time.

[DinoTriz]

elections are more about turnout than appealing to traitors

Ah yes, 'traitors'.

So when you lose voters, it's nothing the party did wrong.

Those people are just....traitors.

lol

[Wonkie]

Ah yes, 'traitors'.

So when you lose voters, it's nothing the party did wrong.

Those people are just....traitors.

lol

independent voters are the biggest idiots on the planet

[maskedmelonpai]

*watches worriedly and thinks back to the glorious opening of our last landmark*


*picks up her bag of words and dumps it upside down spilling them all over table*



*weighs each word, assessing the inherent disagreeableness of each and flicks away the most violent ones of the lot*

[zodium]

#maskedmelonpai2020 tbh

[maskedmelonpai]

elections are more about turnout than appealing to traitors

[DinoTriz]

i think the most amazing thing about it all is that people who think they're in the "middle" believe everyone wants to be their friend when increasingly both sides clearly just want them to fuck off and die

the idea of being so unlikeable that people don't even want their help is just inconceivable to them

THEY HAVE TO WANT ME

Well tough shit, because you need them to win elections.

Either you evaluate what's working with the general populace and change your course if it's not working or you plant your feet down stubbornly and get your ass kicked in the next election.

[zodium]

only maskedmelonpai can save america now https://i.imgur.com/lqwqHxi.gif

[maskedmelonpai]

#maskedmelonpai2020 tbh


*looks up thoughtfully*

ty zods, maybe i move to eurozone.

[Wonkie]

Well tough shit, because you need them to win elections.

Either you evaluate what's working with the general populace and change your course if it's not working or you plant your feet down stubbornly and get your ass kicked in the next election.

that's a sweet idea but woefully ignorant about american politics.

[DinoTriz]

that's a sweet idea but woefully ignorant about american politics.

Read: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/01/the-political-middle-still-matters/

[Irulan]

Read: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/01/the-political-middle-still-matters/

According to that social issues do matter. A lot.

[Wonkie]

Read: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/01/the-political-middle-still-matters/

nah. independent voters are just republicans with selfesteem issues.

clinton didn't excite the base but still smoked trump in the popular vote. we don't need you.

[DinoTriz]

According to that social issues do matter. A lot.

I'm sure they do.

That doesn't mean you don't have to appeal to the middle to win elections.

[Irulan]

nah. independent voters are just republicans with selfesteem issues.

clinton didn't excite the base but still smoked trump in the popular vote. we don't need you.

Trump did dupe a lot of social liberals2

[Irulan]

I'm sure they do.

That doesn't mean you don't have to appeal to the middle to win elections.

There's no denying it would help.

[DinoTriz]

but you lost, which indicates to the contrary

[Wonkie]

but you lost, which indicates to the contrary

does it? I've been blaming the Midwest.

[DinoTriz]

does it? I've been blaming the Midwest.

You guys needed the Midwest.

It could've been easy too with all the Unions, but you took them for granted.

[zodium]

i simply can not fathom the connection between the other team getting the most votes, my team winning the election, and guillotines falling on my neck - dinotriz, probably, as guillotines fall on his neck

[Wonkie]

You guys needed the Midwest.

It could've been easy too with all the Unions, but you took them for granted.

give her obama numbers and
wisconsin flips
michigan flips
etc

[DinoTriz]

i simply can not fathom the connection between the other team getting the most votes, my team winning the election, and guillotines falling on my neck - dinotriz, probably, as guillotines fall on his neck

Think of it this way, Euro.

The EU states all decide to vote on something.

Would you do it with a popular vote?

No, because you're not as "United" as you wish you were.

[DinoTriz]

give her obama numbers and
wisconsin flips
michigan flips
etc

Cool, but she didn't have his numbers.

Maybe she would've if she visited Wisconsin at least once.

[zodium]

people will automatically accept the current state of affairs because that's how the rules say things are and nothing in history ever happened to suggest otherwise

and if they don't, it won't be that bad

and if it is that bad, it's not a big deal

and if it's a big deal, then it's not my fault

and if it was my fault, I didn't mean it

- also dinotriz, probably, if he still has a head

[DinoTriz]

people will automatically accept the current state of affairs because that's how the rules say things are and nothing in history ever happened to suggest otherwise

and if they don't, it won't be that bad

and if it is that bad, it's not a big deal

and if it's a big deal, then it's not my fault

and if it was my fault, I didn't mean it

- also dinotriz, probably, if he still has a head

You know the rules before you play the game.

[Wonkie]

Cool, but she didn't have his numbers.

Maybe she would've if she visited Wisconsin at least once.

right but the topic was whether traitors("independents") matter. trump won with romney numbers in those states. dem turnout was the problem.

[DinoTriz]

trump won with romney numbers in those states. dem turnout was the problem.

Trump flipped a ton of districts that went to Obama in both elections, so no there were more problems than just turnout.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/heres-a-map-of-the-us-counties-that-flipped-to-trump-from-democrats/

[zodium]

governance is not a game. you will find this out when history shows you what happens to those who fail to learn from it. :3

[maskedmelonpai]

left don't need midwest though, becauae they have fertility rate. Once SCOTUS overturns rvw, the left gets a free 30 years to continue dilluting the mean with the greatest expansion of retard farming since social media.

[DinoTriz]

governance is not a game. you will find this out when history shows you what happens to those who fail to learn from it. :3

Let me guess....will it involve a guillotine? :rolleyes:

[Irulan]

You know... one of the reasons i even bother to post here, is because my attitude and views aren't welcome anywhere else, and i've been banned from just about any civil space online where i just pour my dark heart out.

That should be pretty telling. Not just, about me. But about this place. And why it even matters. And why there's like crazy fucks like me (that includes people like you DinoTriz, and Mick, you are JUST LIKE ME). Hanging around here.

Take that into consideration.

We are legion.

[Wonkie]

Trump flipped a ton of districts that went to Obama in both elections, so no there were more problems than just turnout.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/heres-a-map-of-the-us-counties-that-flipped-to-trump-from-democrats/

not explaining it a third time you dimwit

[DinoTriz]

You know... one of the reasons i even bother to post here, is because my attitude and views aren't welcome anywhere else, and i've been banned from just about any civil space online where i just pour my dark heart out.

That should be pretty telling. Not just, about me. But about this place. And why it even matters. And why there's like crazy fucks like me (that includes people like you DinoTriz, and Mick, you are JUST LIKE ME). Hanging around here.

Take that into consideration.

We are legion.

We do not forgive. We do not forget. We will shit post.

[Patriam1066]

right but the topic was whether traitors("independents") matter. trump won with romney numbers in those states. dem turnout was the problem.

You voted for Jill stein

That’s not even a protest vote

[maskedmelonpai]

i liek this place too and am especially thankful for my newfound friendship with the sun ^^

it is a good place.

*passes mae some of the fluffier, cuddly words from the pile on the table*

[skarlorn]

i post here because it is what god wants to experience

[maskedmelonpai]

*passes skarlorn a large descriptive word of a spiritual nature*

[DinoTriz]

not explaining it a third time you dimwit

Don't get mad because you're wrong.

You see, your "Independents" (that you hate so much) happen to be those old Obama voters that Trump flipped.

Wisconsin also hasn't been red since 1984, sooooo yeah....the Democrats fucked up.

Hope this helps.

[maskedmelonpai]

Don't get mad because you're wrong.

You see, your "Independents" (that you hate so much) happen to be those old Obama voters that Trump flipped.

Wisconsin also hasn't been red since 1984, sooooo yeah....the Democrats fucked up.

Hope this helps.

tend to agree with this.


Wonks, i think maybe you discounting the fact that lotta repubs didn't vote for trump. trump's base deficit was filled by moderates.

[zodium]

You voted for Jill stein

That’s not even a protest vote

https://i.imgur.com/OQSgeCG.gif

explain ureself wonkie

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/OQSgeCG.gif

explain ureself wonkie

im spiteful and hillary was always gonna win my state which she did by double digits

[mickmoranis]

Thanks for your vote for trump!

[Wonkie]

tend to agree with this.


Wonks, i think maybe you discounting the fact that lotta repubs didn't vote for trump. trump's base deficit was filled by moderates.

math says otherwise. google the numbers.

e: looks like i didn't read your post. any evidence for the assertion?

[mickmoranis]

DNC says its getting rid of superdelegates which, is actually a pretty big deal.

[DinoTriz]

DNC says its getting rid of superdelegates which, is actually a pretty big deal.

This is actually a smart move on their part. Fuck.

[maskedmelonpai]

math says otherwise. google the numbers.

e: looks like i didn't read your post. any evidence for the assertion?

no, it was just a clever induction on behalf of my cleverableness ^^

*showers self gratuitously with undue accolades*


it could be right though, but so could you.


e: i have anecdotes though. lemme introduce exhibit A: #nevertrump

[mickmoranis]

This is actually a smart move on their part. Fuck.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

On one hand it will give dems the ability to wag their finger even harder at people who are not supportive of the party "SEE WE DO WHAT YOU WANT WERE GOOD SEE!" which, will turn away voters that are thinking of coming back because of this decision in the first place.

But the reality is, the fine print, and their role in the primary, may not change. Lets wait and see.

[DinoTriz]

any evidence for the assertion?

If you're comparing the 2016 and 2012 elections, Trump improved upon Romney's numbers and Clinton failed to meet Obama's numbers.

The key areas where this happened were Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Indiana.

https://i.imgur.com/TrposSY.jpg

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/12/29/2016-vs-2012-how-trumps-win-and-clintons-votes-stack-up-to-obama-and-romney/#392190211661

Your voters can turn into Independents (or "traitors") real quick if you ignore them long enough.

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/x4IdZkc.png

[Wonkie]

If you're comparing the 2016 and 2012 elections, Trump improved upon Romney's numbers and Clinton failed to meet Obama's numbers.

The key areas where this happened were Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Indiana.

https://i.imgur.com/TrposSY.jpg

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/12/29/2016-vs-2012-how-trumps-win-and-clintons-votes-stack-up-to-obama-and-romney/#392190211661

Your voters can turn into Independents (or "traitors") real quick if you ignore them long enough.

Trump gained less than Clinton lost, as compared to 2012. More stayed home than appeared to switch sides. Turnout.

[DinoTriz]

Trump gained less than Clinton lost, as compared to 2012. More stayed home than appeared to switch sides. Turnout.

Did you read the article?

[Wonkie]

Did you read the article?

I did not. Giving it a glance now it looks like Forbes doesn't know what population growth is. Closed.

[DinoTriz]

Were you listening to the dudes story?

Yes.

Clinton missed Obama's numbers by 70,000

Trump gained over 2 million past Romney.

Turnout in 2016 was 0.9% less than 2012.

[DinoTriz]

I did not. Giving it a glance now it looks like Forbes doesn't know what population growth is. Closed.

Lol face it, man. You're wrong.

[Wonkie]

Yes.

Clinton missed Obama's numbers by 70,000

Trump gained over 2 million past Romney.

Turnout in 2016 was 0.9% less than 2012.

In which states, other than Pennsylvania, did Trump outperform Romney where Clinton also lagged behind Obama? Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana round out the list. In each of these states, Trump received at least 100,000 more votes than Romney, while Hillary Clinton received 433,545 fewer votes than Obama in Ohio, 295,730 fewer votes in Michigan, and 119,761 fewer votes in Indiana.

[Patriam1066]

What were the Pennsylvania numbers

Also Florida

Thanks and godbless

[Wonkie]

What were the Pennsylvania numbers

Also Florida

Thanks and godbless

good sass :(

[DinoTriz]

What were the Pennsylvania numbers

Also Florida

Thanks and godbless

Yep.

Dishonest little Wonkie.

Also, you can't guarantee those unaccounted votes would have definitely gone for Clinton.

Which brings me back to my original point: You need the swing voters.

[JurisDictum]

It's not that complicated.

Voters in these key swing districts are socially conservative and economically more "liberal" (liberal means pro-union in America :rolleyes:). So Clinton comes in with his tough on crime "New Democrat" bill of goods. He says -- like the Republicans he's good on the economy and the era of big government is over (lol...). So we need to embrace free trade like the Republicans to help the economy, get rid of criminals, and everyone will do better.

They vote for him and proceed to lose their union jobs. Which are -- of course -- replaced with Mcjobs. In response to these people complaining, the leaders of both parties say "well its a global economy, and globally speaking, you're a loser." (This happens under Bush and Obama respectively -- so they finally see both sides are playing them).

Trump comes along and says "No no no, its the elites with their fucked up trade deals and immigration policies. Otherwise everything would be fine. Ill make it just like it was."

Clinton said "fuck that -- that's racist and unrealistic."

Somehow the Clinton line didn't sell well with these people. Bernie -- who might have had a chance with the less culturally conservative ones (which is amazing given the level of anti-socialist propaganda these people were raised under) -- was pushed out and not an option.

So they went with Trump.

The media keeps spinning this story that now the economy is doing well and these people are happy. Except its not really true... so I think its fair to say the pro-Trump bubble is in for a nasty shock in 2020...

Assuming we don't try to run a Clintonite elitist.

[maskedmelonpai]

https://i.imgur.com/0B3KEmK.png

[DinoTriz]

in what universe is the economy not doing well? It's like post-iraq-looting hot right now.

It's not good, like, in his head.

[JurisDictum]

in what universe is the economy not doing well? It's like post-iraq-looting hot right now.

You might not hear this sat in opera box, but "the economy is doing well" is code for "shareholders are making more money than ever." Except that definition of "the economy is doing well" is the one Clinton ran on, Bush etc...

It has nothing to do with improving the lives of the majority. And while its a temporary fix to sell the poor/middle on policies that don't help them. It's not going to lead to a long term solution. Or long term popularity of the president that enacted those policies.

[mickmoranis]

Watch out libs the rules could change any day now.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/02/625267839/north-korea-reportedly-expanding-ballistic-missile-production-facility?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180702

Invest in second amendment aforded rights and gold.

Big if true

[Irulan]

germany had a lot of split votes where no party really won either

prob has to do with ppl being complacent or so fed up they just give up, one of the two

[Wonkie]

germany had a lot of split votes where no party really won either

prob has to do with ppl being complacent or so fed up they just give up, one of the two

bavaria(lederhosen lads) currently wields outsized influence due to their position as kingmaker.

[Tethler]

Watch out libs the rules could change any day now.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/02/625267839/north-korea-reportedly-expanding-ballistic-missile-production-facility?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180702

Invest in second amendment aforded rights and gold.

Big if true

Waitwaitwait. I thought Trump "cracked that nut" and North Korea was solved?! What happened?!

[JurisDictum]

What happened is various industries that supply our military got pissed off about the prospective of peace in Korea. Most likely anyway.

[Ahldagor]

Waitwaitwait. I thought Trump "cracked that nut" and North Korea was solved?! What happened?!

Ballistic missiles aren't neccessarily nuclear. Build cheap missiles and sell them. Welcome to the market place NK like Nixon did with China.

[Tethler]

Ballistic missiles aren't neccessarily nuclear. Build cheap missiles and sell them. Welcome to the market place NK like Nixon did with China.

That's true, but there was this bit in the article too.

"Modifications to the 5 MWe plutonium production reactor's cooling system appear complete," analysts Frank V. Pabian, Joseph S. Bermudez and Jack Liu wrote at 38North, adding that "Construction continues on support facilities throughout other operational areas of Yongbyon, especially at the Experimental Light Water Reactor (ELWR), where the new engineering office building appears externally complete and a small building similar to the one observed at the Radiochemical Laboratory has been erected."

[Swish2]

What happened is various industries that supply our military got pissed off about the prospective of peace in Korea. Most likely anyway.

Yeah, no war... no profit. Damn.

[zodium]

this is good for bitcoin america

[Ahldagor]

That's true, but there was this bit in the article too.

Nuclear missiles could sell for more. Depends on a time scale, and, no, I didn't read the article.

[DinoTriz]

https://i.imgur.com/gO36wLW.png

He's on these forums, I know he is.

[zodium]

twist: it's dinotriz

https://i.imgur.com/OQSgeCG.gif

[DinoTriz]

twist: it's dinotriz

https://i.imgur.com/OQSgeCG.gif

Pirate isn't even a real class in EQ

[zodium]

it is now :cool:

[DinoTriz]

it is now :cool:

Fuck, you got me :mad:

[Ahldagor]

Kinky Kurt looks like they might murder someone.

[Irulan]

I did my fair share of sharing my hatred of humanity offline today.

[Patriam1066]

Trump’s taking us back to Bush era affirmative action. That’s good for Persians and Asians

I’d assume the rest of you are unemployed whites, so probably good for y’all as well

God bless

[Irulan]

Trump’s taking us back to Bush era affirmative action. That’s good for Persians and Asians

I’d assume the rest of you are unemployed whites, so probably good for y’all as well

God bless

So, if I'm white, do I still have to bother with homeland security background check and "Real ID" to get McDonalds employment?

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id <--- yeah IDK. Last couple employment forms I filled out were fucking garbage tho.

[mickmoranis]

Waitwaitwait. I thought Trump "cracked that nut" and North Korea was solved?! What happened?!

ah welcome to 2018, you see North Korea is a very dishonest country, one that we will crack with military force, or peace.

Trump got them to move forward with peace talks more than any president in the last 65+ years, however, what we'd really like is to literally crack that skull.

THey are genocidal maniacs that have murdered as many people as hitler.

I will never forgive a north korean without complete militaristic domination.

They are proving that this is the only way to handle the situation.

Thank you destiny, you manifest yourself quite often.

[Irulan]

ah welcome to 2018, you see North Korea is a very dishonest country, one that we will crack with military force, or peace.

Trump got them to move forward with peace talks more than any president in the last 65+ years, however, what we'd really like is to literally crack that skull.

THey are genocidal maniacs that have murdered as many people as hitler.

I will never forgive a north korean without complete militaristic domination.

They are proving that this is the only way to handle the situation.

Thank you destiny, you manifest yourself quite often.

I'm curious, did you ever do a tour of duty in NK?

[mickmoranis]

I'm curious, did you ever do a tour of duty in NK?

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

Have you ever done a tour of an active concentration camp?

[Irulan]

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

Have you ever done a tour of an active concentration camp?

No, That's not why I asked though. I was just curious.

I have had the pleasure of meeting some NK and WWII vets. No concentration camps myself though.

[Irulan]

Also, a personal family friend of ours wouldn't eat "**** food" (vietnam)'.

yeah thats pretty bad when the forum filters that one

[mickmoranis]

I just dont see a peaceful solution with NK I mean how are you supposed to just forgive the prison camps and extermination of undesirables during the famine?

If that regime is able to stay in power, after generations of war crimes, just so we can avoid a war? That seems crazy to me.

[Irulan]

I just dont see a peaceful solution with NK I mean how are you supposed to just forgive the prison camps and extermination of undesirables during the famine?

If that regime is able to stay in power, after generations of war crimes, just so we can avoid a war? That seems crazy to me.

I don't either. Our nukes vs japan was an attempt to stave off total war.

That should be telling.

[mickmoranis]

Id say there is about a 80% to 90% chance we will get to go to war with them before 2020 and them making trump look like a fool is going to be the main reason.

[Irulan]

Id say there is about a 80% to 90% chance we will get to go to war with them before 2020 and them making trump look like a fool is going to be the main reason.

I hope that doesnt happen. I kinda would rather trump for the next 8 years than dirty korean total warnukin. Maybe they was getting ready to push the button, and Trump is just the right person to have r now. IDK. Possible.

I think their state will collapse again if we can avoid war some how. Either by being really scary or really diplomatic and making them dependent.

[mickmoranis]

actaully I think their state will proliferate with foriegn aid.

However if the conditions are you have to let us tour all your camps regularly and have UN/American military stationed in your country, we're going to find out that they are totally not hav'n that.

And if they are not having that, then there should be no aid.

If there is no aid, then there will be war. Or they will have a coup and the regime will collapse and, with a small war, they will become property of China/Skorea, which will result in a MAJOR war.

So either aid and forgiveness and trust, OR war.

IMO that is the reality. But what the hell do I know about the reality over there. Anything goes, but this is my guess.

[Irulan]

actually I think their state will proliferate with foriegn aid.

However if the conditions are you have to let us tour all your camps regularly and have UN/American military stationed in your country, we're going to find out that they are totally not hav'n that.

And if they are not having that, then there should be no aid.

If there is no aid, then there will be war. Or they will have a coup and the regime will collapse and, with a small war, they will become property of China/Skorea, which will result in a MAJOR war.

So either aid and forgiveness and trust, OR war.

IMO that is the reality. But what the hell do I know about the reality over there. Anything goes, but this is my guess.

It feels like a very fair and reasonable assessment to me.

[mickmoranis]

It feels like a very fair and reasonable assessment to me.

It's gonna be a fun 10-20 years!

https://i.imgur.com/OgOJDw4.png

[Ahldagor]

I just dont see a peaceful solution with NK I mean how are you supposed to just forgive the prison camps and extermination of undesirables during the famine?

If that regime is able to stay in power, after generations of war crimes, just so we can avoid a war? That seems crazy to me.

Rare Earth minerals. Shit's economic. Let them ruin their local environment with mining like China did using US made equipment and planning. As long as Un plays ball then he has nothing to worry about because we need those minerals.

[Wonkie]

Id say there is about a 80% to 90% chance we will get to go to war with them before 2020 and them making trump look like a fool is going to be the main reason.

glad to hear you're back on your meds :)

[DinoTriz]

North Korea is tricky.

Our country can't stomach war. Our military can. Our country can't though. We're too sheltered and weak. We haven't really experienced total war since World War 2.

The type of campaign needed to crush North Korea cleanly would be bloody and ruthless.

We wouldn't be able to pussy foot around and show the world we're "Peace keepers".

Also, China gets massively paranoid when our armies march around their border.

For those reasons, I think all out war isn't an option.

We need more intel and diplomacy.

We need to find out what really is going on there and who supports us more. Kim Jong Un or the rest of the government?

Then we need to play that side. A coup would probably be too messy. Maybe broker some sort of bipartisan reunification deal between SK and NK. Blame the camps on some dead general and sweep history under the rug.

Then stop subsidizing defense on the peninsula and bring our military home.

[mickmoranis]

We need to find out what really is going on there and who supports us more. Kim Jong Un or the rest of the government?

Then we need to play that side. A coup would probably be too messy. Maybe broker some sort of bipartisan reunification deal between SK and NK. Blame the camps on some dead general and sweep history under the rug.

I think this is the reality of what is going to happen. Sadly.

But it is why trump does deserve the Nobel Peace prize.

[Nibblewitz]

I don't either. Our nukes vs japan was an attempt to stave off total war.

That should be telling.

This is inaccurate. Most of our WW2 generals advised against using nukes because Japan was about to surrender. General Leahy had already overseen what he called a "terror bombing" campaign which had killed an estimated half a million Japanese civilians before the nukes were dropped.

We dropped the nukes because we wanted to see what they would do in a real military situation.

[Nibblewitz]

We are also hypocrites to be wagging our finger at war crimes.

[DinoTriz]

General Leahy

https://imgur.com/Z66zlKp.gif

[Irulan]

@Dinotriz, yeah.

[mickmoranis]

We are also hypocrites to be wagging our finger at war crimes.

This is such a stupid thing to say.

Seriously.

Its such a stupid, cherivera shirt wearing weed smoking stupid post modern lack of actual education thing to say.

The ability that the left has to say that america is as bad as ANY other ruthless dictatorship is classic communist proppaganda.

The idea that you think that 3rd world countries run by a dictator would be better off being brutally murdered by that dictator, than it is by american involvemnet in any way shape or form is classic fake news that you were raised on and is why you and your entire political half of the country cant figure out how to A run a country or B do ANY of the things your politicians promise you they'll do.

[DinoTriz]

We are also hypocrites to be wagging our finger at war crimes.

Do you say the same thing when speaking about Nazi Germany's concentration camps?

[Wonkie]

We are also hypocrites to be wagging our finger at war crimes.

hypocrisy is a childs argument

[LulzSect©]

MUUUHHHHHHHHH aPProf’eD diCtators are moar fair amirite

[Irulan]

The Sad Delusion of Anthony Kennedy Conspiracy Theories (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/anthony-kennedy-conspiracy-theories-are-a-liberal-delusion.html)
The justice retired under Trump because he’s happy to leave his legacy in Trump’s hands.

[Nibblewitz]

Do you say the same thing when speaking about Nazi Germany's concentration camps?

We're not as evil as Hitler. Now that's a childish argument.

[DinoTriz]

We're not as evil as Hitler. Now that's a childish argument.

What makes his concentration camps worse than North Korea's?

[Nibblewitz]

Mick, again you go full retard into left vs. right, why?

Maybe global instability is caused by a duplicitous games of gotchya. We condemn the actions of smaller nations, and use sanctions and nation building initiatives that produce similar atrocities.

Are you saying the means justify the ends? The means are shitty and the ends are even shittier.

[Nibblewitz]

What makes his concentration camps worse than North Korea's?

Most of the world didn't even know about the concentration camps until Germany started to retreat. Action was taken because Hitler took several Napoleonic bites out of Europe.

Apples and space oranges.

[DinoTriz]

Most of the world didn't even know about the concentration camps until Germany started to retreat. Action was taken because Hitler took several Napoleonic bites out of Europe.

Apples and space oranges.

I'm not talking about then....I'm talking about now.

If someone were discussing the Holocaust, you wouldn't say "Well, we've done war crimes too." would you?

What makes North Korea so different than Nazi Germany?

[mickmoranis]

What makes his concentration camps worse than North Korea's?

https://i.imgur.com/PmmnWCP.png

compared to NK's famine in the 90's , which was manipulated to reduce the population and eliminate the lower classes. THey had the money and the ability to stop it, but they chose isolationaism that resulted in no help. The belife by schollars is that it was on purpose to eliminate their weakest citizens. It is no secret they practice eugenics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cleanest_Race

Out of a total population of approximately 22 million, somewhere between 240,000 and 3,500,000 North Koreans died from starvation or hunger-related illnesses, with the deaths peaking in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

The prison camp system alone currently houses somewhere between 100-250,000 prisoners.

Now these numbers, are all GUESSES... they are conservative too. Accounts from North Korean expats is that it is far worse.

The North Koreans are close to, if not have exceeded the number of people killed during the Holocaust.

Who knows, they may have killed double, maybe 3 times as many people.

We may never know.

Remember, in germany we had NO clue they were exterminating jews until we invaded. We may invade and find out there are millions upon millions of executions we havent even accounted for.

There is no room for peace with this regime, but we'll see if its possible!

[Irulan]

I'm not talking about then....I'm talking about now.

If someone were discussing the Holocaust, you wouldn't say "Well, we've done war crimes too." would you?

What makes North Korea so different than Nazi Germany?

I think NK may even be worse, just to jump in here.

[JurisDictum]

I just dont see a peaceful solution with NK I mean how are you supposed to just forgive the prison camps and extermination of undesirables during the famine?

If that regime is able to stay in power, after generations of war crimes, just so we can avoid a war? That seems crazy to me.

We don't enforce morality around the world. That is something we tell gullible dumbasses at home to rally war support. As long as there is nothing in it for us, we won't do anything with North Korea.

There is some noise about how bad they are ATM to prevent any withdraw of security forces and military exercises around Korea. Defense contractors profit off this stuff and would rather go to war than withdraw. However, the prospect of war with North Korea upsets elites that don't have stakes in defense contracting. Hence, why nothing has changed all this time.

States do what is in there self interest -- that is not really debated by anyone who knows anything about security studies. What is debatable is the purpose of the state. Some have this naive "were all in it together prospective" -- which is encouraged by our media. Others understand the state's purpose is to serve the ruling class.

There is confusion about Korea because its essentially warhawk elites vs non-military industrial elites atm. From a self interest standpoint, war with Korea is counter-productive unless you profit off war.

[JurisDictum]

https://i.imgur.com/PmmnWCP.png

compared to NK's famine in the 90's , which was manipulated to reduce the population and eliminate the lower classes. THey had the money and the ability to stop it, but they chose isolationaism that resulted in no help. The belife by schollars is that it was on purpose to eliminate their weakest citizens. It is no secret they practice eugenics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cleanest_Race

Out of a total population of approximately 22 million, somewhere between 240,000 and 3,500,000 North Koreans died from starvation or hunger-related illnesses, with the deaths peaking in 1997. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

The prison camp system alone currently houses somewhere between 100-250,000 prisoners.

Now these numbers, are all GUESSES... they are conservative too. Accounts from North Korean expats is that it is far worse.

The North Koreans are close to, if not have exceeded the number of people killed during the Holocaust.

Who knows, they may have killed double, maybe 3 times as many people.

We may never know.

Remember, in germany we had NO clue they were exterminating jews until we invaded. We may invade and find out there are millions upon millions of executions we havent even accounted for.

There is no room for peace with this regime, but we'll see if its possible!

North Korea and Nazi Germany is worse than USA, that doesn't make us Saints. It doesn't mean we are a force for good in the world or any other of that high minded nonsense.

[mickmoranis]

North Korea and Nazi Germany is worse than USA, that doesn't make us Saints. It doesn't mean we are a force for good in the world or any other of that high minded nonsense.

us not being saints has nothing to do with anything related to north korea or ww2 though. Hope this helps!

OR are you saying because SOME administrations in the past were worse than others, in USA's Government, that we should not care if a regime is evil, and we should provide them with as much aid as they want?

[DinoTriz]

Mick, my new signature was inspired by yours btw

[Patriam1066]

Just a question for the rednecks and minorities and obeses (poors), do you think it’s possible that in a world where living standards continue to rise globally, that perhaps the “elites” aren’t all conspiratorial dickheads, but might actually be trying for incremental progress despite the best attempts of “citizens” to make excuses for themselves and duck their civic responsibilities?

Just food for thought from a man who doesn’t like whiners. God bless, happy early 4th of JewLie from Texas, the greatest state in the greatest country in recorded history

[LulzSect©]

feels good bein white, right ahkmed?

[DinoTriz]

Just a question for the rednecks and minorities and obeses (poors), do you think it’s possible that in a world where living standards continue to rise globally, that perhaps the “elites” aren’t all conspiratorial dickheads, but might actually be trying for incremental progress despite the best attempts of “citizens” to make excuses for themselves and duck their civic responsibilities?

Just food for thought from a man who doesn’t like whiners. God bless, happy early 4th of JewLie from Texas, the greatest state in the greatest country in recorded history

There is no such thing as Texas or USA.

We are "Landmass #346" to the political elite.

#BringBackAmerica

[Patriam1066]

feels good bein white, right ahkmed?

Feels good having two parents who didn’t tolerate excuses and demanded my best

Hope this helps!
-Ahmed

[Irulan]

What if I told you as much as I am "human trash" I actually have a hard time killing spiders and racoons and other lesser lifeforms?

The only way I can justify baking bread is that the yeast only lives a few days anyway. So into the oven it goes.

[Wonkie]

figures he'd like the desert. it's in the blood.

[Irulan]

My local Fox at my big red neck bar just ragged on ICE n Trump.

What is up Murdoch?

[JurisDictum]

Just a question for the rednecks and minorities and obeses (poors), do you think it’s possible that in a world where living standards continue to rise globally, that perhaps the “elites” aren’t all conspiratorial dickheads, but might actually be trying for incremental progress despite the best attempts of “citizens” to make excuses for themselves and duck their civic responsibilities?

Just food for thought from a man who doesn’t like whiners. God bless, happy early 4th of JewLie from Texas, the greatest state in the greatest country in recorded history

I think elites pat themselves on the back for giving washing machines and microwaves to the third world -- to assuage the guilt they have for selling the working class down the river. Their lifestyle is declining and the elites continue to enjoy ever more redundant and extravagant luxury.

So they tell themselves "whatever, why do these hicks deserve increase in lifestyle anymore than a brown person in a third world? I'm a global citizen and good person. But they aren't. These decisions aren't made in the interest in helping anyone but themselves. They know this and it wears on them whether they admit it or not.*

You can't play mr. benevolent when you live in palace. This is why Mahatma Gandhi didn't live in a mansion in England and preach non-violence from there. He would have had zero credibility.

I don't hate rich people. I hate how rich people cast themselves as morally superior.

*Except for the ones that a literally sociopathic....an over-represented group among the elite.

[mickmoranis]

I just don't know how to explain this to you cuz I feel like I have many time before. The rich don't sell the working class down the river or whatever it is the phrase you used. Poor people would just devour each other and end up all dying of scurvy if left to their own devices.

If it wasn't for rich people y'all would be looking like you lived in Haiti.

The things are the way they are because of reality not because of some 600000 year old conspiracy.

[skarlorn]

Just a question for the rednecks and minorities and obeses (poors), do you think it’s possible that in a world where living standards continue to rise globally, that perhaps the “elites” aren’t all conspiratorial dickheads, but might actually be trying for incremental progress despite the best attempts of “citizens” to make excuses for themselves and duck their civic responsibilities?

Just food for thought from a man who doesn’t like whiners. God bless, happy early 4th of JewLie from Texas, the greatest state in the greatest country in recorded history

Posts like this legitimately drive me to consider going back to Houston as a Czech Lord of many Travels

[JurisDictum]

I guess I'm talking to people seriously considering that the wealthiest, most powerful people in society are motivated by a desire to "raise living standards" of everyone.

Jesus Christ.

[Irulan]

Apparently trump meeting putin alone and some less affiliated gop senators are spending the 4th of July in Moscow.

[mickmoranis]

I guess I'm talking to people seriously considering that the wealthiest, most powerful people in society are motivated by a desire to "raise living standards" of everyone.

Jesus Christ.

welcome to the hundreds of millennia that existed before post modernism.

[DinoTriz]

I guess I'm talking to people seriously considering that the wealthiest, most powerful people in society are motivated by a desire to "raise living standards" of everyone.

Jesus Christ.

I don't believe that.

That's about as stupid as blindly believing the media is always a shining beacon of honesty.

[skarlorn]

first of all: yes, the wealthy do actually place monetary value on the satiation of the people who vastly outnumber them who they live among. This is a motivation. That motivation, a market force, is way more stable than the will of a dictatorial individual or collective entity made up of ppl who still believe in Freud sitting atop a centrally planned economy.

Let me break it down for u what capitalism is about to do for the world, so long as we keep people like you the fuck away from meaningful levers:


In 75 yrs manual labor is gonna start being RARE around here. In 300 years (probably way less) no peon on Earth, even brown, will be doing manual labor thx to the fruit of capitalism.

the lack of a use for retarded peasants, who when not assigned a trench to hoe are prone to unionize violently against smart ppl who use their bigger brains to commune with God and Nature, will tend to increase unemployment, boredom, crime & violence. The total risk that ppl like you will begin kidnapping wealthy porcelain-skinned children and cannibalizing them underneath the Interstate will grow. This will increase the financial incentive and peasants will get even more free cash money. [except not really; these negative consequences are foreseen and will all be preempted with UBI]

Meanwhile, because we will have utilized the retard peasants to reach the technological tier where robots do all the work, human civilization will become FABULOUSLY, UNIMAGINABLY WEALTHY. This will happen within 100 years. It will be very cheap to subsidize your life from cradle to grave. You'll call this "even worse inequality!!"

The violent imposition of shift toward centrality and destratification which is contrary to market forces can only slow or reverse progress toward this end. Potentially catastrophically. The feeding of a permanently unemployed babby mammy right now, today, because it's an emergency!! is not worth this. An extremely stratified, complex, and developed machine capable of fucking every last human being to sleep is what we want to benefit from; not some regressive naturalist trashola where men murder women with machetes.

I will repeat that everything u want is best attained thru the realization of the BOTH SIDES of the human spirit, ching and chong, thru the natural arbiter Capitalism. imbuing man with the power of God by abolishing the market can only turn this world into a swarthy hell that wouldnt actually benefit you.

I doubt you will overthrow the great machine at this point, so really what u are doing is fueling the free cash-money fire by adding to the threat of violence which ppl who still find themselves useful in the information economy will spend money to erase. You are literally making threats in order to be given free money. Your words are treacherous and they function only either to rob or to sow destruction.

I hope this helps and please stop posting your boring walls of text.

Excited by the first. Line will report. Back later once read ty

[Wonkie]

which is contrary to market forces can only slow or reverse progress toward this end

retard

[Irulan]

Yawning.