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ScaringChildren
10-11-2018, 09:29 PM
Weaker b8, why?
Journey with me and try to be a little less one-dimensional. It's good for the soul. Expand your horizons and your vocabulary and reach the creator's throne and ask it why it made you. We're all wondering.
Do this, and transcend with me into a blissful state of clarity.
Ahldagor
10-11-2018, 09:56 PM
Journey with me and try to be a little less one-dimensional. It's good for the soul. Expand your horizons and your vocabulary and reach the creator's throne and ask it why it made you. We're all wondering.
Do this, and transcend with me into a blissful state of clarity.
Jesus, get back to lifting, weakling..
ScaringChildren
10-11-2018, 09:58 PM
Jesus, get back to lifting, weakling..
I don't take exercise advice from fatties
Wonkie
10-11-2018, 11:26 PM
try to be a little less one-dimensional.
are you missing a brain wave
Wonkie
10-11-2018, 11:50 PM
Probably the alpha ones
Alpha waves are neural oscillations in the frequency range of 7.5–12.5 Hz[1] arising from synchronous and coherent (in phase or constructive) electrical activity of thalamic pacemaker cells in humans. They are also called Berger's wave
is this the joke?
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 06:22 AM
You two are special.
Once your mind & soul leaves the terrestrial, you can achieve the transcendence as I have.
Spiral out along nature's Fibonacci sequence and experience the beauty of your mind's metamorphosis.
But until then, you two need to get off the ground with the other primates.
*meditates and levitates (no bat wing needed)*
Wonkie
10-12-2018, 10:52 AM
You two are special.
Once your mind & soul leaves the terrestrial, you can achieve the transcendence as I have.
Spiral out along nature's Fibonacci sequence and experience the beauty of your mind's metamorphosis.
But until then, you two need to get off the ground with the other primates.
*meditates and levitates (no bat wing needed)*
bath salts
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 11:22 AM
bath salts
When the salt of the earth condemns spiritual enlightenment, they do not understand what they insult so they must equate it to drug addiction.
Hoping your third eye expands soon.
Wonkie
10-12-2018, 03:18 PM
Hoping your third eye expands soon.
why so damn horny all the time?
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 03:21 PM
why so damn horny all the time?
Okay, excuse my libido
But the titties on that girl, homie, holy toledo
JurisDictum
10-12-2018, 03:32 PM
UK proposes a calorie cap on food (https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/10/12/uk-calorie-cap-pizzas-burgers-soup/). The idea is that you should not be able to sell food with over x amount of calories. Aimed mostly at Pizza and Burgers is my understanding.
How I see it is, something has to give. It's bad enough people want to eat hamburgers from fast food joints x3 times a week. Then we basically incentivize the burger peddlers to make their food as bad for you as possible (inverse relation between health and taste let's face it).
A calorie cap will at least prevent McDonalds from making the burgers half lard.
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 03:47 PM
UK proposes a calorie cap on food (https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/10/12/uk-calorie-cap-pizzas-burgers-soup/). The idea is that you should not be able to sell food with over x amount of calories. Aimed mostly at Pizza and Burgers is my understanding.
How I see it is, something has to give. It's bad enough people want to eat hamburgers from fast food joints x3 times a week. Then we basically incentivize the burger peddlers to make their food as bad for you as possible (inverse relation between health and taste let's face it).
A calorie cap will at least prevent McDonalds from making the burgers half lard.
The freedom to sell whatever you want > the overall health of the country
Sorry the country is fat
JurisDictum
10-12-2018, 03:50 PM
The freedom to sell whatever you want > the overall health of the country
Why?
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 03:51 PM
Why?
Would you like a prohibition of alcohol because it caused people to puke?
JurisDictum
10-12-2018, 04:11 PM
Would you like a prohibition of alcohol because it caused people to puke?
If I couldn't walk down the street without drunks tripping over each other, puking, and wallowing their own piss. At some point we would need to pass laws about that. Oh yea that's right -- there is one: public drunkeness.
Got to go home to get shit faced that bad.
And that's all were asking about burger that are 1000 calories. If you need a burger 1000+ calories. Your going to have to make that shit yourself and know that society generally disapproves of your behavior.
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 04:14 PM
If I couldn't walk down the street without drunks tripping over each other, puking, and wallowing their own piss. At some point we would need to pass laws about that. Oh yea that's right -- there is one: public drunkeness.
Got to go home to get shit faced that bad.
And that's all were asking about burger that are 1000 calories. If you need a burger 1000+ calories. Your going to have to make that shit yourself and know that society generally disapproves of your behavior.
So you're intolerant of fat people?
Do you think they should be allowed to have rights?
What about fat black people? What do you think of them?
Schaduwridder
10-12-2018, 04:19 PM
I don't think anyone likes fat people, they are disgusting
all fat people are lazy ( and disgusting )
I think there should be public weigh ins for fat people and they have to sit in a town square or something tied up and people can walk by and throw food / garbage at them to give them motivation to eat less and workout more.
JurisDictum
10-12-2018, 04:22 PM
So you're intolerant of fat people?
Do you think they should be allowed to have rights?
What about fat black people? What do you think of them?
I'm perfectly fine with fat people. I just don't think they should be exposing children to their disgusting lifestyle. Kids are impressible you know.
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 04:25 PM
I'm perfectly fine with fat people. I just don't think they should be exposing children to their disgusting lifestyle. Kids are impressible you know.
What if a bum stumbles into a McDonald's and is dying of hunger?
"Sorry sir, we can't sell you that burger, you've had too much, fat fuck."
Then he dies.
The blood is on your hands.
Because you're sensitive around whales.
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 04:27 PM
you cant starve to death if your fat, your body will start eating the fat and you will only need water
What if the bum is already to that point?
He walks into McDonald's and asks for a hamburger and the manager pulls a McShotgun on him?
JurisDictum
10-12-2018, 04:35 PM
What if a bum stumbles into a McDonald's and is dying of hunger?
"Sorry sir, we can't sell you that burger, you've had too much, fat fuck."
Then he dies.
The blood is on your hands.
Because you're sensitive around whales.
A McDonald's Big Mac is 520 calories...They could get that shit down to 400 easy if they weren't allowed to make 250 of those calories fat (1 of them transfat). Keep in mind it only has 25 grams of protein...kind of low for a beef burger /w cheese (because its like half fat).
This UK law wouldn't even prevent the sale of big macs..now the Double quarter pounder might be in trouble:
It has 770 calories (410 from fat) and 2.5g of trans fat. According to this new law -- they would have to get it down to 698 I think. Again -- very doable.
This should be re-entitled a food quality control rather than a "calorie cap."
A Super Star with Cheese (I used to get these) is 920 calories. 504 of those are from fat including 2g of trans fat.
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 04:38 PM
A McDonald's Big Mac is 520 calories...They could get that shit down to 400 easy if they weren't allowed to make 250 of those calories fat (1 of them transfat). Keep in mind it only has 25 grams of protein...kind of low for a beef burger /w cheese (because its like half fat).
This UK law wouldn't even prevent the sale of big macs..now the Double quarter pounder might be in trouble:
It has 770 calories (410 from fat) and 2.5g of trans fat. According to this new law -- they would have to get it down to 698 I think. Again -- very doable.
This should be re-entitled a food quality control rather than a "calorie cap."
My vagina, my choice.
It's my choice what to shove up there and I should be free to pop a double quarter pounder in my pearl locket.
JurisDictum
10-12-2018, 04:41 PM
My vagina, my choice.
It's my choice what to shove up there and I should be free to pop a double quarter pounder in my pearl locket.
Again, were talking about regulation of prepared food served to the public. Not making it illegal for anyone to make any buger they want in their house. It's just we don't need big burger chains cramming more calories into our poor fat kids because they have zero incentive not to.
Some kids will just be fat without big changes...but they could be like 20% less fat if we just get these places to try to be somewhat reasonable.
mickmoranis
10-12-2018, 04:53 PM
lol "not fake" "news"
https://i.imgur.com/vWzSy9T.png
Patriam1066
10-12-2018, 04:55 PM
If I couldn't walk down the street without drunks tripping over each other, puking, and wallowing their own piss. At some point we would need to pass laws about that. Oh yea that's right -- there is one: public drunkeness.
Got to go home to get shit faced that bad.
And that's all were asking about burger that are 1000 calories. If you need a burger 1000+ calories. Your going to have to make that shit yourself and know that society generally disapproves of your behavior.
Agreed bud. We need to strictly regulate processed foods and also have to start taxing sugar heavily
Also, a 1% income tax per BMI > 25. If the BMI metric doesn’t work for the bodybuilders, maybe some other more accurate metric. However, an income tax is warranted. Also, anyone obese should not be eligible for any form of state assistance, including usage of roads. Walk everywhere
Ahldagor
10-12-2018, 04:55 PM
My vagina, my choice.
It's my choice what to shove up there and I should be free to pop a double quarter pounder in my pearl locket.
You'd have to be selling your vagina for consumption to have equivalence. Which raises the prostitution question, and most areas where prostitution is legalized have health regulations due to potential health risks with sexual activity. You're round about supporting the greater regulation of food products sold.
mickmoranis
10-12-2018, 04:57 PM
taxing sugar heavily
told you this guy was a non american.
gob ack to iran.
Patriam1066
10-12-2018, 04:59 PM
told you this guy was a non american.
gob ack to iran.
Between the two of us, you’d be the one deported. That’s the way capitalism works
God bleSS america
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 05:16 PM
Between the two of us, you’d be the one deported. That’s the way capitalism works
God bleSS america
You don't belong in the US.
This isn't your home.
Hope this helps
Patriam1066
10-12-2018, 05:26 PM
You don't belong in the US.
This isn't your home.
Hope this helps
But then why does Jesus, who founded America, favor ever step I take? Also, you look persian dude
Patriam1066
10-12-2018, 05:28 PM
To be clear, I’m trolling as I try to figure out how to cook (my wife got back but is sick). Some of you seem genuinely angry, racist, intolerant, etc, and should most likely seek Christ and female companionship
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 05:32 PM
But then why does Jesus, who founded America, favor ever step I take? Also, you look persian dude
Jesus doesn't love you either.
I'm also 90%+ Celt, so no, I don't look anything like something that crawled out of a desert.
Patriam1066
10-12-2018, 05:34 PM
Jesus doesn't love you either.
I'm also 90%+ Celt, so no, I don't look anything like something that crawled out of a desert.
Jesus probably loves me
And you look far more Arab than most of my family. Sorry dude, SPF 30 or something I guess. You’re dark
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 05:45 PM
Jesus probably loves me
And you look far more Arab than most of my family. Sorry dude, SPF 30 or something I guess. You’re dark
Do you even know what I look like? You're thinking of Lulz.
This is me (not Arab):
https://i.imgur.com/cnEmt3X_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Wonkie
10-12-2018, 06:04 PM
i get that sin taxes are an efficient and effective solution
but i still don't like them
*sadly high fives mickold*
ScaringChildren
10-12-2018, 06:27 PM
Lol "your parents are using you" (https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1050794829482008576?s=21)
mickmoranis
10-12-2018, 07:48 PM
Lol "your parents are using you" (https://mobile.twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1050794829482008576?s=21)
This was glorious that fat woman was so obnoxious
Patriam1066
10-13-2018, 08:43 AM
Do you even know what I look like? You're thinking of Lulz.
This is me (not Arab):
https://i.imgur.com/cnEmt3X_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Look Lebanese dude sorry
ScaringChildren
10-13-2018, 09:37 AM
Look Lebanese dude sorry
Lebanese people:
https://i.imgur.com/KyH9UHh_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
ScaringChildren
10-13-2018, 10:40 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ZeHjaPY_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Ahldagor
10-13-2018, 10:54 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ZeHjaPY_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
She did tho' and made that statement in reaction to Trump saying it was rigged during the campaign, if I'm recalling correctly. You've got a strong sense of history, don't you? Either way, the morons on twitter clearly haven't read the constitution nor have considered the difficulty of such actions.
ScaringChildren
10-13-2018, 12:21 PM
She did tho'
She has a weird way of showing it... (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41244474)
Asteria
10-13-2018, 12:38 PM
Agreed bud. We need to strictly regulate processed foods and also have to start taxing sugar heavily
Also, a 1% income tax per BMI > 25. If the BMI metric doesn’t work for the bodybuilders, maybe some other more accurate metric. However, an income tax is warranted. Also, anyone obese should not be eligible for any form of state assistance, including usage of roads. Walk everywhere
Real ideas! This fella knows what is needed to get people to stop mutilating themselves with "food" and "beverages!"
Maybe you can run for political office, deary?
Asteria
10-13-2018, 12:41 PM
Some of you seem genuinely angry, racist, intolerant, etc, and should most likely seek Christ and female companionship
Asteria
10-13-2018, 12:47 PM
Do you even know what I look like? You're thinking of Lulz.
This is me (not Arab):
https://i.imgur.com/cnEmt3X_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Awww Dino, are ya trolling or don't know the diff between Arab and Persian?
Remember when we used to look at your future with wide eyes and a lack of gratuitous vulgarities when you seemed to like going outside more?
https://youtu.be/J6pB3tOq7lo
America
10-13-2018, 12:51 PM
She is so cool
https://i.imgur.com/RgRTSTY.png
ScaringChildren
10-13-2018, 02:01 PM
Awww Dino, are ya trolling or don't know the diff between Arab and Persian?
Remember when we used to look at your future with wide eyes and a lack of gratuitous vulgarities when you seemed to like going outside more?
https://youtu.be/J6pB3tOq7lo
Pat said I looked like an "Arab", so I was responding to him.
Reading comprehension is a good skill that I think you should practice.
Patriam1066
10-13-2018, 03:00 PM
I’m just busting your chops dude. You actually look Mexican
Ahldagor
10-13-2018, 03:19 PM
I’m just busting your chops dude. You actually look Mexican
Lotta Lebanese migration to Mexico in the late 1800's....
Asteria
10-13-2018, 04:49 PM
Reading comprehension is a good skill that I think you should practice.
Thank you, I tried but failed this time it seems. 😆
Asteria
10-13-2018, 04:59 PM
I just checked for both of us this morning on the official Oregon elections website. My hubby and myself are both registered to vote as expected. We are supposed to receive our mail-in ballots in about a week
Sidelle
10-13-2018, 05:19 PM
Who thought it would be a good idea to let Kanye speak in the Oval Office.
I'd rather see him hanging out in the Oval Office than Jay-Z and Beyonce. When Hillary was desperate and unable to get people to come to her rallies, those two showed up (probably cringing inwardly) to attract voters. I'm guessing it was a favor for Obama. If Hillary were human and not a spirit-cooking demon she would have felt too humiliated to show her face in public again. :D
The only reason you can be upset with kanye is if you're upset he doesnt think exactly the same way as YOU.
Love this guy though love him. Love when he said the same thing I want to say "I love this guy!" and goes and gives him a hug.
We need more LOVE
and less HATE
Taylor swift = hate
kanye west = love
https://i.imgur.com/SSA2gJi.jpg
tsuchang
10-13-2018, 05:41 PM
Some of the comments on this thread are really well presented and thought out. Others, like mine, are just knee jerk reactions to those knee jerk jerks and the well presenting folks.
A lot of chuckles but no lols
mickmoranis
10-13-2018, 06:40 PM
I'd rather see him hanging out in the Oval Office than Jay-Z and Beyonce. When Hillary was desperate and unable to get people to come to her rallies, those two showed up (probably cringing inwardly) to attract voters. I'm guessing it was a favor for Obama. If Hillary were human and not a spirit-cooking demon she would have felt too humiliated to show her face in public again. :D
https://i.imgur.com/SSA2gJi.jpg
Awww what a beautiful world.
AzzarTheGod
10-14-2018, 02:19 AM
Do you even know what I look like? You're thinking of Lulz.
This is me (not Arab):
https://i.imgur.com/cnEmt3X_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
looks swarthy. could pass for mixed race
AzzarTheGod
10-14-2018, 02:21 AM
She is so cool
https://i.imgur.com/RgRTSTY.png
nice to see some more AIDS posters
not the first addition and wont be the last.
AzzarTheGod
10-14-2018, 02:24 AM
Between the two of us, you’d be the one deported. That’s the way capitalism works
God bleSS america
this was actually very witty and slick.
not completely disappointed in my visit so far
Sonderbeast
10-14-2018, 05:02 AM
I'd rather see him hanging out in the Oval Office than Jay-Z and Beyonce. When Hillary was desperate and unable to get people to come to her rallies, those two showed up (probably cringing inwardly) to attract voters. I'm guessing it was a favor for Obama. If Hillary were human and not a spirit-cooking demon she would have felt too humiliated to show her face in public again. :D
https://i.imgur.com/SSA2gJi.jpg
May I officiate this matrimony of 100% godliness and truth with my expired ordination?
ScaringChildren
10-14-2018, 06:12 AM
looks swarthy. could pass for mixed race
Your face could pass for your butt.
GOTTEM
ScaringChildren
10-14-2018, 10:58 AM
WATCH ANTIFA BATTLE WITH THE MOST HEINOUS AND DANGEROUS WHITE SUPREMACIST NAZI EVER (https://youtu.be/4DcvNn9PPLg)
Wonkie
10-14-2018, 04:01 PM
Domo are you German? Afd gaining seats apparently, is merkels govt toast?
ScaringChildren
10-14-2018, 06:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/OfGEvi1_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Wonkie
10-14-2018, 07:24 PM
https://i.imgur.com/OfGEvi1_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/MCmd3t1.png
Sonderbeast
10-14-2018, 07:30 PM
you guys still talking about suckin dick in this thread?
America
10-14-2018, 07:35 PM
left:George, why is this entire room filled with titty skittles and why are you wearing makeup?
Right:we're furries now and that means we get to make up our own rules
Bottom:https://i.imgur.com/pdQ00ii.png
Sonderbeast
10-14-2018, 07:37 PM
left:George, why is this entire room filled with titty skittles and why are you wearing makeup?
Right:we're furries now and that means we get to make up our own rules
Bottom:https://i.imgur.com/pdQ00ii.png
what about the top
ScaringChildren
10-14-2018, 10:00 PM
More Leftist violence (https://youtu.be/4DY_7u0LImY)
ScaringChildren
10-14-2018, 10:05 PM
BelieveWomen (https://www.thepostathens.com/article/2018/10/anna-ayers-student-senate-ohio-university-death-threat)
AzzarTheGod
10-14-2018, 11:21 PM
left:George, why is this entire room filled with titty skittles and why are you wearing makeup?
Right:we're furries now and that means we get to make up our own rules
Bottom:https://i.imgur.com/pdQ00ii.png
Loving the AIDS theme
Swish2
10-14-2018, 11:28 PM
More Leftist violence (https://youtu.be/4DY_7u0LImY)
lol - I don't think the attacker will be having to deal with the pregnancy question for a while at least.
You all should read my op-ed in the new york times:
What the Left Misses About Nationalism (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/opinion/nationalism-trump-globalization-immigration.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage)
By Lune, nationalist, socialist, sadomasochist
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 08:07 AM
You all should read my op-ed in the new york times:
What the Left Misses About Nationalism (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/opinion/nationalism-trump-globalization-immigration.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage)
By Lune, nationalist, socialist, sadomasochist
It's actually a good article.
The Left needs to realize that as long as it embraces globalism, it loses out on worker votes.
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 08:23 AM
This one is for ol' Don Lemon boy:
https://i.imgur.com/gE4CREQ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Kanye is trash and his music is even worse
I love that he's been reduced to trump's groid toy
Patriam1066
10-15-2018, 09:20 AM
You all should read my op-ed in the new york times:
What the Left Misses About Nationalism (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/opinion/nationalism-trump-globalization-immigration.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage)
By Lune, nationalist, socialist, sadomasochist
I wish that was you. Your last name being Judas would make a lot of sense
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 09:23 AM
Kanye is trash and his music is even worse
I love that he's been reduced to trump's groid toy
Where's your influence on prison reform?
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 09:31 AM
You all should read my op-ed in the new york times:
What the Left Misses About Nationalism (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/opinion/nationalism-trump-globalization-immigration.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage)
By Lune, nationalist, socialist, sadomasochist
nationalism cannot fail, it can only be failed
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 09:45 AM
Senator Warren, mocked by Trump as 'Pocahontas,' releases DNA test (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-warren/senator-warren-mocked-by-trump-as-pocahontas-releases-dna-test-idUSKCN1MP1I0)
Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat, said last month she would take a “hard look” at running for the Democratic nomination to challenge Republican Trump in 2020. She and Trump clashed frequently through the 2016 presidential campaign and Trump has cast aspersions on her claim to Native-American ancestry.
“When I decided to run for Senate in 2012, I never thought that my family’s Native American heritage would come under attack and my dead parents would be called liars,” she said in a statement on Monday.
“And I never expected the president of the United States to use my family’s story as a racist political joke,” she said.
Trump taunted Warren over the issue at a July rally in Montana.
“I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian,” he said. “I have a feeling she will say no.”
However, when Trump was asked about the DNA test on Monday, he said, “Who cares?”
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 10:51 AM
Senator Warren, mocked by Trump as 'Pocahontas,' releases DNA test (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-warren/senator-warren-mocked-by-trump-as-pocahontas-releases-dna-test-idUSKCN1MP1I0)
"The professor concluded that most of the senator’s DNA shows European ancestry, but there is a Native-American segment."
*sad trombone*
Cool, so you have 0.0001% native in you.
It doesn't mean you're Native American.
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 11:15 AM
"The professor concluded that most of the senator’s DNA shows European ancestry, but there is a Native-American segment."
*sad trombone*
Cool, so you have 0.0001% native in you.
It doesn't mean you're Native American.
i thought we followed the one drop rule around these parts :cool:
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 11:21 AM
i thought we followed the one drop rule around these parts :cool:
Maybe Patriam abides, but I don't.
America
10-15-2018, 11:23 AM
I do so have skidmarks in my underwear you big tangerine! LOOK!!!
feanan
10-15-2018, 12:19 PM
actually, it sounds like she's just part mexican
"To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American".
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 12:49 PM
actually, it sounds like she's just part mexican
"To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American".
saving this
mickmoranis
10-15-2018, 12:53 PM
I sure hope senator warren having 1/32 native american in her blood gets voters to the poles in november lol
god speed idiots.
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 01:38 PM
https://i.imgur.com/vcshkHO_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
JurisDictum
10-15-2018, 02:39 PM
I sure hope senator warren having 1/32 native american in her blood gets voters to the poles in november lol
god speed idiots.
The rightwingers wouldn't shut up about the story they were certain Warren made up (because that would make their argument stronger -- and thus -- must be true). Rather than just pointing out it was a lame reason to fill out Native American on a college application, they got greedy (as usual) and decided that Warren was also even lying about the grandmother story!
Now that they have been scientifically proven wrong -- we get this kind of lame back peddling.
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 02:41 PM
The rightwingers wouldn't shut up about the story they were certain Warren made up (because that would make their argument stronger -- and thus -- must be true). Rather than just pointing out it was a lame reason to fill out Native American on a college application, they got greedy (as usual) and decided that Warren was also even lying about the grandmother story!
Now that they have been scientifically proven wrong -- we get this kind of lame back peddling.
No, she has a sliver of meso-american heritage. Majority is European.
That's not Native American.
You certainly don't agree with the 'one drop rule', do you JD?
Pocahontas is white.
We can see with our eyes.
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 03:44 PM
No, she has a sliver of meso-american heritage. Majority is European.
That's not Native American.
genetically the same thing my man
http://isgrudengoneyet.com/
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 03:51 PM
genetically the same thing my man
http://isgrudengoneyet.com/
Did the US displace mesoamericans?
No.
Meanwhile, the ol' Senator took advantage of a $400,000 benefit fraudulently.
Hope she runs in 2020 lol
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 03:58 PM
Did the US displace mesoamericans?
No.
ever hear of texas lol
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 04:57 PM
ever hear of texas lol
Texas was technically a civil war.
Mexico allowed Texans to be quasi citizens.
She also isn't claiming to be "Mexican".
So she lied.
JurisDictum
10-15-2018, 05:11 PM
Her Great Grandmother was Cherokee. That was her story and it panned out. GG.
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 05:11 PM
Texas was technically a civil war.
Mexico allowed Texans to be quasi citizens.
She also isn't claiming to be "Mexican".
So she lied.
???
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 05:44 PM
???
She's possibly 1/1,024th Native.
That's not Native.
Sorry.
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 05:46 PM
Her Great Grandmother was Cherokee. That was her story and it panned out. GG.
No, her great great great grandmother was partially native.
That's WAY different.
Doesn't qualify for legal status.
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 05:50 PM
No, her great great great grandmother was partially native.
That's WAY different.
Doesn't qualify for legal status.
what legal status did she use
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 06:17 PM
what legal status did she use
She used it for her law degree.
She even 'earned' "the first woman of color in law" by Harvard lol
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 06:18 PM
Stormy Daniels just lost to Trump.
Has to pay his legal fees lol
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 07:22 PM
NYPD footage proves Antifa started the fight with the Proud Boys (https://youtu.be/YHjC1zTnW9M)
misterbonkers
10-15-2018, 07:32 PM
good. fuck proud boys.
Wonkie
10-15-2018, 07:39 PM
Paul allen died
okchawks :(
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 07:42 PM
good. fuck proud boys.
Antifa got the shit kicked out of them lol
misterbonkers
10-15-2018, 07:54 PM
what do you expect when it's over 5 times the amount of people on one side vs the other. fuck bitch ass white nationalist pussies
Ahldagor
10-15-2018, 07:55 PM
Who gives a shit about Warren's Natige American heritage? Just an extended ad-hominem with moving goal posts. Grasping for character flaws, yikes.
ScaringChildren
10-15-2018, 07:57 PM
what do you expect when it's over 5 times the amount of people on one side vs the other. fuck bitch ass white nationalist pussies
Proud Boys aren't white nationalists.
They're actually more diverse than Antifa.
misterbonkers
10-15-2018, 08:01 PM
Proud Boys aren't white nationalists.
They're actually more diverse than Antifa.
https://i.imgur.com/z6pDGay.png
Patriam1066
10-15-2018, 08:09 PM
Who gives a shit about Warren's Natige American heritage? Just an extended ad-hominem with moving goal posts. Grasping for character flaws, yikes.
Warren is unelectable. I’m warning y’all now, stick with sanders
Where's your influence on prison reform?
oh the irony
Ahldagor
10-15-2018, 08:44 PM
Warren is unelectable. I’m warning y’all now, stick with sanders
I didn't, don't support Sanders. He's too old, and would be backed into an indefensible scenario of communist claims since noone would listen to an explanation of the differences because it'd take too long for the ADD addled brains of the electorate. Sound bites, 90second max commercials, and headlines. The majority of people lack critical thinking skills and would rather tear someone apart than think for half a minute. Our country's fucked. I'm just waiting for it to come to a head, or Yellowstone could go off, I'm okay with that.
Asteria
10-15-2018, 08:46 PM
Who gives a shit about Warren's Natige American heritage? Just an extended ad-hominem with moving goal posts. Grasping for character flaws, yikes.
Apparently lots of the MAGA cultists care or pretend to I think since Mr. Trump started calling Senator Warren Pocahontas. If they honestly believe she exploited for a personal advantage, they're jealous that a LIBERAL WOMAN "cheated" successfully. Meanwhile, Mr. Trump's cheating the US government, his "university students", & employees out of many millions of dollars all together is realy of no concern because they like his politics and brand of comedy.
mickmoranis
10-15-2018, 09:31 PM
I didn't, don't support Sanders. He's too old, and would be backed into an indefensible scenario of communist claims since noone would listen to an explanation of the differences because it'd take too long for the ADD addled brains of the electorate. Sound bites, 90second max commercials, and headlines. The majority of people lack critical thinking skills and would rather tear someone apart than think for half a minute. Our country's fucked. I'm just waiting for it to come to a head, or Yellowstone could go off, I'm okay with that.
he would have won in 2016 sorry you're to busy trying to sound smart like the rest of your party to find a candidate.
mickmoranis
10-15-2018, 09:32 PM
Apparently lots of the MAGA cultists care or pretend to I think since Mr. Trump started calling Senator Warren Pocahontas. If they honestly believe she exploited for a personal advantage, they're jealous that a LIBERAL WOMAN "cheated" successfully. Meanwhile, Mr. Trump's cheating the US government, his "university students", & employees out of many millions of dollars all together is realy of no concern because they like his politics and brand of comedy.
the only one posting about her is liberals so it sounds like you care.
you wrote more in this post than you have all week. Keep saying u dont care tho.
Ahldagor
10-15-2018, 09:45 PM
he would have won in 2016 sorry you're to busy trying to sound smart like the rest of your party to find a candidate.
This doesn't even make sense within the context of the quote you were replying to. Why are you so damn weak?
AzzarTheGod
10-16-2018, 04:56 AM
Warren is unelectable. I’m warning y’all now, stick with sanders
shes a populist. populists are electable.
Patriam1066
10-16-2018, 05:01 AM
shes a populist. populists are electable.
Not bespectacled populists who look like 2nd grade teachers
Asteria
10-16-2018, 05:02 AM
the only one posting about her is liberals so it sounds like you care.
you wrote more in this post than you have all week. Keep saying u dont care tho.
Never said that I don't care. 🤔🤦🏽*♀️🧓🏻🧓😋
Did you imagine I did?
AzzarTheGod
10-16-2018, 05:04 AM
Senator Warren, mocked by Trump as 'Pocahontas,' releases DNA test (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-warren/senator-warren-mocked-by-trump-as-pocahontas-releases-dna-test-idUSKCN1MP1I0)
only as good as the methods big boy.
she has 0 native american ancestry according to ancestry.com which is why she didn't use them.
an individual she hired to perform the examination made up a claim that "segments" of her DNA are native american 10 generations ago.
This is patently false via the method used and the fallacy that comes with it.
hope that helps.
p.s.
licks hit
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:51 AM
https://i.imgur.com/z6pDGay.png
I'm just correcting you because you're ignorant.
Calling Proud Boys "white nationalists" is like calling the Democrats "clown rapists".
Democrats are many things but they are not clown rapists.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:55 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Cn8CYaT_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Asteria
10-16-2018, 06:02 AM
I'm just correcting you because you're ignorant.
Calling Proud Boys "white nationalists" is like calling the Democrats "clown rapists".
Democrats are many things but they are not clown rapists.
Most may not be white nationalists, sonny but a Proud Boy is much more likely than the average moderate, conservative, liberal, progressive, independent, or Libertarian American to have a friend or several friends that are indeed white nationalists. These allied white nationalists have been spotted and photograhed or recorded at several recent gatherings or rallies of Proud Boys around the country. I know this and really don't pay all that much attention to these kinds of fringe small groups that don't do that much damage. 😸🧓🏽
Patriam1066
10-16-2018, 06:06 AM
Serious question. Are white people allowed to be proud of themselves, their people, their cultures, their nations, their achievements, or their women?
You guys can’t seriously argue with the last one. Only people coming close are latinas.
I’m personally cheering for the whites in whatever comes next. God help us if the Chinese or Israel get AI first
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 06:07 AM
Most may not be white nationalists, sonny but a Proud Boy is much more likely than the average moderate, conservative, liberal, progressive, independent, or Libertarian American to have a friend or several friends that are indeed white nationalists. These allied white nationalists have been spotted and photograhed or recorded at several recent gatherings or rallies of Proud Boys around the country. I know this and really don't pay all that much attention to these kinds of fringe small groups that don't do that much damage. 😸🧓🏽
You admit you don't pay any attention to them.
I listen to their podcast every day and watch their events live.
You don't even know what they stand for.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 06:08 AM
shes a populist. populists are electable.
LOL Elizabeth Warren is not a populist.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 06:19 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Wr9rRL6_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
AzzarTheGod
10-16-2018, 06:22 AM
LOL Elizabeth Warren is not a populist.
yikes
https://i.imgur.com/Wr9rRL6_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
https://i.imgur.com/Y3u7bY8.jpg
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 06:56 AM
yikes
Ah you were trolling.
America
10-16-2018, 08:25 AM
Mr. Allen is dead =/
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 08:26 AM
learned that Proud Boys is some sorta group today. always thought it was just something AtG used to refer to conservatives ^^;
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 08:44 AM
learned that Proud Boys is some sorta group today. always thought it was just something AtG used to refer to conservatives ^^;
From their website:
"The Proud Boys confuse the media because the group is anti-SJW without being alt-right. “Western chauvinist” includes all races, religions, and sexual preferences."
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 09:39 AM
Serious question. Are white people allowed to be proud of themselves, their people, their cultures, their nations, their achievements, or their women?
You guys can’t seriously argue with the last one. Only people coming close are latinas.
I’m personally cheering for the whites in whatever comes next. God help us if the Chinese or Israel get AI first
no, because white pride is fundamentally rooted in extremely racist shit, and is almost always a literal red flag. also strange to be proud of shit you made others build (thanks slavery (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs))
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 10:06 AM
No pride, no privilege. You are who you are and not who you weren't.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 10:12 AM
no, because white pride is fundamentally rooted in extremely racist shit, and is almost always a literal red flag.
this is part of the problem. when you deny a group of people with strong in-group preference any avenue to group pride outside of racism, you end up with a certain number who say "fine, im racist then." hardly surprising when the group is reviled and the entirety of social discourse is framed in terms of group identity.
also strange to be proud of shit you made others build (thanks slavery (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs))
i could be wrong, but i think there was more to the rise western civilization and global hegemony than American cotton & tobacco. things liek the reformation, renaissance & industrial revolution may have played marginally larger roles. the success of whites is a result of the ideas that spawned from their cultures for whatever reasons. that doesn't excuse slavery, but framing slavery in America as somehow undermining a foundation for pride in white heritage is silly.
like it or not the civilized world was built by white men. maybe that's a bad thing. maybe it's a bad world and we should start over. any other group or collection thereof hasn't done any better though.
also, proud boys seem liek a right wing version of antifa, but infinitely more dangerous for reasons outlined above. not something any of us should be encouraging.
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 10:21 AM
like it or not the civilized world was built by white men. maybe that's a bad thing. maybe it's a bad world and we should start over. any other group or collection thereof hasn't done any better though.
This is true but it's not what he's saying.
You weren't around to build civilization, you were just lucky enough to be born into it.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 10:39 AM
no, because white pride is fundamentally rooted in extremely racist shit, and is almost always a literal red flag. also strange to be proud of shit you made others build (thanks slavery (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs))
You could say that about any racial pride.
Why is it different for white people?
This is one of your flaws.
You preach all day about 'equality', but it's plain to see you don't want equality.
This is what causes problems.
You can't treat a certain class of people a certain way based on historical circumstances because not everyone took part or benefitted from that.
So what you call 'justice' just comes across as oppressive racism to some.
And no matter how much you try to justify it, you will always have tension because of the difference of perception.
It's why people like you are usually mid to high class white people. Never lived amongst the real, never had a job, but they lash out at the rich white people because that is what their parents are.
Their dad is rich and white.
So their own hatred of their dad morphs into this idea where everyone who is white has to pay a price, no matter their background.
You're surrounded by other rich white people who feel like you, and you imagine all white people are the same spoiled rotten privileged types.
And you are wrong. Because you are in a bubble and refuse to reach out because "ew gross poor people", but you don't say that out loud because then you'd be a bigot but you release that steam by making fun of "dumb southerners" because you can get away with it.
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 10:40 AM
if you willingly adopt symbols of racism, you're being racist, end of story. it's not our fault the KKK ruined white pride for them.
and slavery is more than just cotton and tobacco. prison industrial complex still exists to this day
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 10:47 AM
if you willingly adopt symbols of racism, you're being racist, end of story. it's not our fault the KKK ruined white pride for them.
and slavery is more than just cotton and tobacco. prison industrial complex still exists to this day
So racial pride is "symbols of racism"?
So Black or Asian pride is racist, correct?
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 10:51 AM
This is true but it's not what he's saying.
You weren't around to build civilization, you were just lucky enough to be born into it.
that is a reasonable response, but it is neither what what he said nor implied. he said:
also strange to be proud of shit you made others build (thanks slavery (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs))
he wasn't arguing that it is strange to be proud because you weren't there, he was arguing that it was strange to be proud because the accomplishments upon which the pride is based are rooted in slavery, which isnt true unless all these fellows hang their identity on big tobacco and t-shirts ^^
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 10:57 AM
if you willingly adopt symbols of racism, you're being racist, end of story. it's not our fault the KKK ruined white pride for them.
No one would say that the symbol is the thing it represents. Meanings are fluid and can and do change.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 11:06 AM
if you willingly adopt symbols of racism, you're being racist, end of story. It's not our fault the KKK ruined white pride for them.
what symbols are we talking about? self-evident seems self-evident, but wanna make
Sure ^^
and slavery is more than just cotton and tobacco. prison industrial complex still exists to this day
what does that have to do with being "strange to take pride in shit you made others build?" are you suggesting the prison system is some sorta engine for economic growth, technological advancement and social progress? generally curious because this is going a different direction ^^
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 11:10 AM
Penal labor in the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States)
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 11:11 AM
nope, not letting myself get roped into this pointless bullshit anymore
back to badjokeposting or nothing at all for me
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 11:25 AM
nope, not letting myself get roped into this pointless bullshit anymore
back to badjokeposting or nothing at all for me
Because you can't defend your position.
Because it's not logically consistent.
Asteria
10-16-2018, 11:27 AM
You admit you don't pay any attention to them.
I listen to their podcast every day and watch their events live.
You don't even know what they stand for.
Don't care enough about the anti feminist MGTOTW stuff to listen to or watch their stuff. Lol
It sounds like a new age Young Republicans Club or John Birch society to me. You haven't refuted to me that these people (who I've admitted are NOT white supremacists) are far more likely to befriend a white supremacist or several, and rally/march with them than an average member of the public. This is just par for the course when you are in the arena of far-right politics. The same is true of any radical fundamentalist religious people usually (Including some evangelical Christians). Again, the vast majority of these far-right arch conservatives are NOT white nationalists.
The thing that the majority of Americans and many in the industrialized world wished is that you far right conservatives could at least understand that a large amount of your worldviews and politics overlap heavily throughout the world those of racial nationalists and racial extremists.
When you share an internet, radio, & social media diet with the white supremacists some of you act triggered to be called (we know you're feigning shock deary 😊😸), either start questioning the propaganda that is programming your thoughts or stop the broken record act of feigning outrage over being called a bigot by some. 😸🧓🏽😉
Hope this helps
mickmoranis
10-16-2018, 11:35 AM
No one would say that the symbol is the thing it represents. Meanings are fluid and can and do change.
yeah like the symbol for the democratic party used to be SLAVERY
mickmoranis
10-16-2018, 11:37 AM
Is hating what rap does to society racist? The clothing, the attitudes, the culture behind it? Is that racist?
Asteria
10-16-2018, 11:51 AM
It's why people like you are usually mid to high class white people. Never lived amongst the real, never had a job, but they lash out at the rich white people because that is what their parents are.
Their dad is rich and white.
So their own hatred of their dad morphs into this idea where everyone who is white has to pay a price, no matter their background.
You're surrounded by other rich white people who feel like you, and you imagine all white people are the same spoiled rotten privileged types.
And you are wrong. Because you are in a bubble and refuse to reach out because "ew gross poor people", but you don't say that out loud because then you'd be a bigot but you release that steam by making fun of "dumb southerners" because you can get away with it.
Well sonny, many many white Americans in the SF Bay Area and many white Americans in metro areas of the USA whom vote for Dems more often than Repubs are NOT spoiled or rich kids. This is a right-wing myth you have just parroted. There are millions of working class whites around the USA that still will vote for Democratic representatives at times. Yes, they did not really vote for Hillary Clinton like many other millions of moderates, progressives, & independent voters also didn't vote for her.
Look at Orange county, California for an example of wealthy and affluent whites that vote Republican.
By the way, many of them are spoiled and living in a bubble as well, like some wealthy people do regardless of their political persuasion. You can't assume they're overwhelmingly responsible and smart just because they vote for Republican representatives.
Hope this helps dear!
Ahldagor
10-16-2018, 12:20 PM
this is part of the problem. when you deny a group of people with strong in-group preference any avenue to group pride outside of racism, you end up with a certain number who say "fine, im racist then." hardly surprising when the group is reviled and the entirety of social discourse is framed in terms of group identity.
i could be wrong, but i think there was more to the rise western civilization and global hegemony than American cotton & tobacco. things liek the reformation, renaissance & industrial revolution may have played marginally larger roles. the success of whites is a result of the ideas that spawned from their cultures for whatever reasons. that doesn't excuse slavery, but framing slavery in America as somehow undermining a foundation for pride in white heritage is silly.
like it or not the civilized world was built by white men. maybe that's a bad thing. maybe it's a bad world and we should start over. any other group or collection thereof hasn't done any better though.
also, proud boys seem liek a right wing version of antifa, but infinitely more dangerous for reasons outlined above. not something any of us should be encouraging.
The specificity you're overly a priori based brain is seeking is that the United States of America was built on slavery. Context matters you goober. Being born isn't a choice, so don't argue agency with a chaotic lottery humans conceptualized as "birth".
Ahldagor
10-16-2018, 12:26 PM
yeah like the symbol for the democratic party used to be SLAVERY
Reseasrch the ideas behind the politcal stances in the 1850's to 1972 because then you'd potentially understand that they shifted parties with Nixon's Southern Strategy. Again, you've done nothing to facilitate an affable conversation, but this time you've spouted, like an attention seeking child, an ignorant quip.
mickmoranis
10-16-2018, 12:29 PM
Reseasrch the ideas behind the politcal stances in the 1850's to 1972 because then you'd potentially understand that they shifted parties with Nixon's Southern Strategy. Again, you've done nothing to facilitate an affable conversation, but this time you've spouted, like an attention seeking child, an ignorant quip.
weak reply learn to lift get good.
Asteria
10-16-2018, 12:29 PM
what symbols are we talking about? self-evident seems self-evident, but wanna make
Sure ^^
what does that have to do with being "strange to take pride in shit you made others build?" are you suggesting the prison system is some sorta engine for economic growth, technological advancement and social progress? generally curious because this is going a different direction ^^
Paul McCartney - "Another Day" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFzEA7ZAfZQ&app=desktop)
Every Day She Takes A Morning Bath To Wet Her Hair,
Wraps A Towel 'round Her
As She's Heading For The Bedroom Chair,
It's Just Another Day.
Slipping Into Stockings,
Stepping Into Shoes,
Dipping In The Pocket Of Her Raincoat.
It's Just Another Day.
At The Office Where The Papers Grow She Takes A Break,
Drinks Another Coffee
And She Finds It Hard To Stay Awake,
So Sad, So Sad,
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
Alone In Her Apartment She'd Dwell,
Till The Man Of Her Dreams Comes To Break The Spell.
Ah, Stay, Don't Stand Her Up
And He Comes And He Stays
But He Leaves The Next Day,
So Sad.
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
As She Posts Another Letter To The Sound Of Five,
People Gather 'Round Her
And She Finds It Hard To Stay Alive,
It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day.
So Sad, So Sad,
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
Alone In Her Apartment She'd Dwell,
Till The Man Of Her Dreams Comes To Break The Spell.
Ah, Stay, Don't Stand Her Up
And He Comes And He Stays
But He Leaves The Next Day,
So Sad.
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
Every Day She Takes A Morning Bath To Wet Her Hair,
Wraps A Towel 'round Her
As She's Heading For The Bedroom Chair,
It's Just Another Day.
Slipping Into Stockings,
Stepping Into Shoes,
Dipping In The Pocket Of Her Raincoat.
Ah, It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 12:51 PM
Don't care enough about the anti feminist MGTOTW stuff to listen to or watch their stuff. Lol
It sounds like a new age Young Republicans Club or John Birch society to me. You haven't refuted to me that these people (who I've admitted are NOT white supremacists) are far more likely to befriend a white supremacist or several, and rally/march with them than an average member of the public. This is just par for the course when you are in the arena of far-right politics. The same is true of any radical fundamentalist religious people usually (Including some evangelical Christians). Again, the vast majority of these far-right arch conservatives are NOT white nationalists.
The thing that the majority of Americans and many in the industrialized world wished is that you far right conservatives could at least understand that a large amount of your worldviews and politics overlap heavily throughout the world those of racial nationalists and racial extremists.
When you share an internet, radio, & social media diet with the white supremacists some of you act triggered to be called (we know you're feigning shock deary ), either start questioning the propaganda that is programming your thoughts or stop the broken record act of feigning outrage over being called a bigot by some.
Hope this helps
So if you accidentally befriend a white supremacist, would that make you a white supremacist?
No, it wouldn't.
So your argument is literally retarded.
Hope this helps.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 12:54 PM
Well sonny, many many white Americans in the SF Bay Area and many white Americans in metro areas of the USA whom vote for Dems more often than Repubs are NOT spoiled or rich kids. This is a right-wing myth you have just parroted. There are millions of working class whites around the USA that still will vote for Democratic representatives at times. Yes, they did not really vote for Hillary Clinton like many other millions of moderates, progressives, & independent voters also didn't vote for her.
Look at Orange county, California for an example of wealthy and affluent whites that vote Republican.
By the way, many of them are spoiled and living in a bubble as well, like some wealthy people do regardless of their political persuasion. You can't assume they're overwhelmingly responsible and smart just because they vote for Republican representatives.
Hope this helps dear!
The minority is irrelevant.
The Democrats are coastal elites. Spoiled and rotten.
That's the Left now.
Maybe you didn't get the memo.
I know you're acting like an old grandma, but today's Left is much different than the Pro-Worker party of yesteryear.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 01:22 PM
The specificity you're overly a priori based brain is seeking is that the United States of America was built on slavery. Context matters you goober. Being born isn't a choice, so don't argue agency with a chaotic lottery humans conceptualized as "birth".
this is perhaps the most beautiful ahld post I've had the great pleasure of reading ^^ i don't disagree that slavery played a role in the growth of pre-industrial America, but I don't think we can reliably ascertain the degree of influence or responsibly ascribe the success of America as a whole to it.
Your second point has merit, but carries a particularly dark sense nihilistic connotation (i.e. we cannot be proud of what we are because it was not our choice to be). I tend to look at pride as a form of gratitude unto our forbears, whether we enter this world by choice or not, it is those who came before us who are responsible for where we are.
I attribute a lot of the way a feel about pride and group fidelity to the strong devotion I've been shown by a handful of individuals close to me throughout my life. Each would lay down their life in my defense and overlook my shortcomings while guarding me against my adversaries. that is deeply admirable. that admiration does not however extend to those who arbitrarily extend their fidelity along racial lines, however I can understand how one might fall into that mindset, particularly if his mind is already empty and he feels he is alone.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 01:24 PM
Paul McCartney - "Another Day" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFzEA7ZAfZQ&app=desktop)
Every Day She Takes A Morning Bath To Wet Her Hair,
Wraps A Towel 'round Her
As She's Heading For The Bedroom Chair,
It's Just Another Day.
Slipping Into Stockings,
Stepping Into Shoes,
Dipping In The Pocket Of Her Raincoat.
It's Just Another Day.
At The Office Where The Papers Grow She Takes A Break,
Drinks Another Coffee
And She Finds It Hard To Stay Awake,
So Sad, So Sad,
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
Alone In Her Apartment She'd Dwell,
Till The Man Of Her Dreams Comes To Break The Spell.
Ah, Stay, Don't Stand Her Up
And He Comes And He Stays
But He Leaves The Next Day,
So Sad.
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
As She Posts Another Letter To The Sound Of Five,
People Gather 'Round Her
And She Finds It Hard To Stay Alive,
It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day.
So Sad, So Sad,
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
Alone In Her Apartment She'd Dwell,
Till The Man Of Her Dreams Comes To Break The Spell.
Ah, Stay, Don't Stand Her Up
And He Comes And He Stays
But He Leaves The Next Day,
So Sad.
Sometimes She Feels So Sad.
Every Day She Takes A Morning Bath To Wet Her Hair,
Wraps A Towel 'round Her
As She's Heading For The Bedroom Chair,
It's Just Another Day.
Slipping Into Stockings,
Stepping Into Shoes,
Dipping In The Pocket Of Her Raincoat.
Ah, It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day. Du Du Du Du Du
It's Just Another Day.
it is a good day ^^ keep the smiles
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 01:25 PM
yeah like the symbol for the democratic party used to be SLAVERY
Reseasrch the ideas behind the politcal stances in the 1850's to 1972 because then you'd potentially understand that they shifted parties with Nixon's Southern Strategy. Again, you've done nothing to facilitate an affable conversation, but this time you've spouted, like an attention seeking child, an ignorant quip.
This is the sound of everyone agreeing.
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 01:39 PM
Don't care enough about the anti feminist MGTOTW stuff to listen to or watch their stuff. Lol
It sounds like a new age Young Republicans Club or John Birch society to me. You haven't refuted to me that these people (who I've admitted are NOT white supremacists) are far more likely to befriend a white supremacist or several, and rally/march with them than an average member of the public. This is just par for the course when you are in the arena of far-right politics. The same is true of any radical fundamentalist religious people usually (Including some evangelical Christians). Again, the vast majority of these far-right arch conservatives are NOT white nationalists.
The thing that the majority of Americans and many in the industrialized world wished is that you far right conservatives could at least understand that a large amount of your worldviews and politics overlap heavily throughout the world those of racial nationalists and racial extremists.
When you share an internet, radio, & social media diet with the white supremacists some of you act triggered to be called (we know you're feigning shock deary 😊😸), either start questioning the propaganda that is programming your thoughts or stop the broken record act of feigning outrage over being called a bigot by some. 😸🧓🏽😉
Hope this helps
The white supremacists are going to support one party or the other, for their own reasons. Saying that their policies overlap says nothing because there is no overlap between conservative policies and the white supremacist policy of racial hatred. Conservatives, who are neither bigoted nor racist, do not support the bigoted and racist policies of the white supremacists.
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 01:46 PM
Conservatives, who are neither bigoted nor racist
lmao
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 01:50 PM
lmao
You forgot to put your reason here.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 01:52 PM
lmao
Just because you laugh doesn't make it true.
The Democrats are easily the most racist and sexist political party in the world. They're absolutely open about it too.
Jaxon
10-16-2018, 01:56 PM
Just because you laugh doesn't make it true.
The Democrats are easily the most racist and sexist political party in the world. They're absolutely open about it too.
Democrats have made women and minorities their brand but that doesn't make them racist or sexist.
I do admit though if I were a straight white man I wouldn't feel very comfortable identifying as a Democrat right now because it doesn't feel like they want to represent me.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 02:02 PM
People call the Republican party and conservatives bigots because
1) Up until a few years ago it was a heartily supported part of the platform to oppose gay marriage.
2) They currently are acting like Immigration is big part of their economic woes...despite that most of this was due to international trade contracts and shitty labor laws in the U.S....not Mexicans and Asians comming here (who actually are more upwardly mobile than white people). There is a lot of misdirected anger at immigrants that should be directed toward legislators.
3) Most the time you talk to intelligent sounding conservatives on an anonymous forum or something like that -- they start rattling on about the genetic and/or cultural superiority of "whites."
4) Conservatives inherently defend the way things are...most things in this country are they were they are because they were set up that way by self-interested wealthy white men. So in general, they are defending a system that has been historically racist and could not possibly be understood historically without considering race.
This makes it common for them to knee jerk defend racist systems without even thinking about it. They always act like a victim for this rather than admitting they should have actually thought about the issue a bit before reinforcing the way things are because they just happen to be that way.
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 02:03 PM
Just because you laugh doesn't make it true.
The Democrats are easily the most racist and sexist political party in the world. They're absolutely open about it too.
https://i.imgur.com/gkXHpGH.png
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:03 PM
https://i.imgur.com/G1573JD_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
clevergirl
10-16-2018, 02:06 PM
I'm a sovcit. Everyone is fair game. FFA is the only deathmatch I want to play anymore.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:07 PM
Democrats have made women and minorities their brand but that doesn't make them racist or sexist.
I do admit though if I were a straight white man I wouldn't feel very comfortable identifying as a Democrat right now because it doesn't feel like they want to represent me.
I don't know, when they have a DNC Chair candidate stand up in front of a crowd and say this, all while getting cheers (https://youtu.be/AvtAiOcXtsg), I'd say they're pretty openly racist.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/gkXHpGH.png
Now you're just shifting the blame and ignoring what I said.
Looks like you get a white noise picture too
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:10 PM
People call the Republican party and conservatives bigots because
1) Up until a few years ago it was a heartily supported part of the platform to oppose gay marriage.
2) They currently are acting like Immigration is big part of their economic woes...despite that most of this was due to international trade contracts and shitty labor laws in the U.S....not Mexicans and Asians comming here (who actually are more upwardly mobile than white people). There is a lot of misdirected anger at immigrants that should be directed toward legislators.
3) Most the time you talk to intelligent sounding conservatives on an anonymous forum or something like that -- they start rattling on about the genetic and/or cultural superiority of "whites."
4) Conservatives inherently defend the way things are...most things in this country are they were they are because they were set up that way by self-interested wealthy white men. So in general, they are defending a system that has been historically racist and could not possibly be understood historically without considering race.
This makes it common for them to knee jerk defend racist systems without even thinking about it. They always act like a victim for this rather than admitting they should have actually thought about the issue a bit before reinforcing the way things are because they just happen to be that way.
So old policies, anecdotes, confirmation bias, and the fact that you yourself are racist is why you consider the Republicans to be racist?
Weird. Seems legit.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 02:15 PM
liberals aren't hateful about their racism like conservatives are (when they are racist). liberals are generally compassionately soft bigoted in the form of lower expectations on the issue of race. given the disadvantages face by some groups that may be warranted. not going to cast judgement on the motivation, but I think by embracing that sort of mindset you cripple the populations you are trying to help.
the major difference between the average liberal and average conservative is that comservatives are more likely to invoke stereotypes out of plain ignorance and general lack of exposure whereas liberals are inclined to make light of stereotypes in misguided efforts to make minorities feel a part of the team. this fosters resentment on behalf of minorities who are often genuinely insulted even if they choose not to express it.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 02:18 PM
I think Conservatives in every society tend to be racist.
This is conservatism in a nutshell:
There are Winners and Losers. Our party is the winners trying to prevent the losers from taking our stuff! Notice how we are winning? Duh, because we're winners. Join us and be a winner! Or, you'll be a loser like them and will deserve it!
You can do can do this with anything. Race, Money, Religion, you name it. And really conservative people tend to have this attitude about everything.
It's an evolutionary strategy to blend in and stay safe.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 02:22 PM
that is actually a pretty good summary of conservatism.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:23 PM
I think Conservatives in every society tend to be racist.
This is conservatism in a nutshell:
There are Winners and Losers. Our party is the winners trying to prevent the losers from taking our stuff! Notice how we are winning? Duh, because we're winners. Join us and be a winner! Or, you'll be a loser like them and will deserve it!
You can do can do this with anything. Race, Money, Religion, you name it. And really conservative people tend to have this attitude about everything.
It's an evolutionary strategy to blend in and stay safe.
And Leftists view the world through a lens of "Oppressor vs Oppressed".
And they currently see white people as the "Oppressors".
So they are currently racist towards white people.
This is leftism in a nutshell.
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 02:24 PM
it's easy to mistake bias for meritocracy, if you're from the south.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:26 PM
it's easy to mistake bias for meritocracy, if you're from the south.
it's easy to mistake meritocracy for bias, if you're a fat fucking loser who blames others for their own misfortunes.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 02:38 PM
And Leftists view the world through a lens of "Oppressor vs Oppressed".
And they currently see white people as the "Oppressors".
So they are currently racist towards white people.
This is leftism in a nutshell.
Progressives see things as broken that need fixed. Their flaw is they don't understand the concept of "if its not broke, don't fix it." Like free speech.
"Oppressor and Oppressed" is just one version of this. Its a common one today.
Can Bezo's be called an oppressor? Well Peterson (the guy that came up with this idea about "liberals") never bothered us with an opinion on that. I think because he understands his base is conservative and his opinions on that are not considered conservative in America.
Edit: Keep in mind conservative is actually a personality type, not just a political party. So you can be a conservative person born into a upper middle class family of "liberals" in San Francisco. You learn how superior your multi-cultural ideology is at a young age -- that you are one of the successful urban winners and not one of those rural Republican losers (still working labor jobs lol!). When it comes time to talk about the Democratic party platform -- it becomes about getting rid of the losers and identifying with the winners....even if there is a D next to your name.
Most early risers that get a lot done by a young age (sprinters according to sociologist lingo) are conservative. And this is regardless of their political party. Our society is highly slanted toward rewarding sprinters atm...even in the Democratic party.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 02:43 PM
the thing about it is, conservatism works. it affords stability. problem is, it stagnates. liberalism chases change, which allows growth, advancement, liveliness. problem is it also allows regression, deterioration. not all change is good change. not every ambition is equally praiseworthy.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:48 PM
the thing about it is, conservatism works. it affords stability. problem is, it stagnates. liberalism chases change, which allows growth, advancement, liveliness. problem is it also allows regression, deterioration. not all change is good change. not every ambition is equally praiseworthy.
But if you want to conserve freedom of speech and expression, you're racist.
Because like, a white man made it years ago....or something.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 02:53 PM
But if you want to conserve freedom of speech and expression, you're racist.
Because like, a white man made it years ago....or something.
Close. White men came up with this idea called "Political Rights." You all get the right to X -- meaning that the government won't stop you from doing X.
As long as all our political rights are equal. We are basically equal.
Political Rights is a salesman maneuver to make things seem more equal and fair than they are. It's giving people a theoretical ability to gain power -- rather sharing power.
This is what Marx pointed out on his Jewish Question paper. Equal political rights for Jews would not mean Jews are equal to non-Jews in Germany. They would always be Jews as long as they considered themselves Jews and not Proletariat.
mtb tripper the 2nd
10-16-2018, 02:54 PM
Who were your previous forum personalities ScaringChildren? I recognize your mannerisms.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 02:59 PM
Close. White men came up with this idea called "Political Rights." You all get the right to X -- meaning that the government won't stop you from doing X.
As long as all our political rights are equal. We are basically equal.
Political Rights is a salesman maneuver to make things seem more equal and fair than they are. It's giving people a theoretical ability to gain power -- rather sharing power.
This is what Marx pointed out on his Jewish Question paper. Equal political rights for Jews would not mean Jews are equal to non-Jews in Germany. They would always be Jews as long as they considered themselves Jews and not Proletariat.
Do you have any examples of this?
How are white people afforded more rights than say, black people?
Do whites get more 1st Amendment rights?
Laws are written down, right?
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:05 PM
Do you have any examples of this?
How are white people afforded more rights than say, black people?
Do whites get more 1st Amendment rights?
Laws are written down, right?
4th amendment is one example
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 03:06 PM
Do you have any examples of this?
How are white people afforded more rights than say, black people?
Do whites get more 1st Amendment rights?
Laws are written down, right?
Whites don't have more first amendment rights. That's the point of the "rights" -- is they give the illusion of equality.
Let's pretend that when the 1st amendment came out in America...everyone was given the protection equally and immediately ...which is totally not what happened.
White men owned all the damn capital in the country. All property, all the well-paying jobs, all the bank loans.
Who cares if the government can't stop you from owning a successful farm -- all those white dudes still can. And they all think the N word is hilarious so they are using it on the job all the time, in musicals whatever. When you go to try to get a bank loan the guy is like "get lost ******" and all the guys working at the bank laugh appreciatively.
But you have equal Political Rights and all their worth on their own....which is less than a bucket of warm piss.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:10 PM
4th amendment is one example
How? The NSA spies on black people more than whites?
Let me guess, cops illegally search black people more than whites?
If it happens, it happens to all races and all races have a legal defense against those unconstitutional actions.
It doesn't say "Only whites can benefit from the 4th Amendment".
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:13 PM
Whites don't have more first amendment rights. That's the point of the "rights" -- is they give the illusion of equality.
Let's pretend that when the 1st amendment came out in America...everyone was given the protection equally and immediately ...which is totally not what happened.
White men owned all the damn capital in the country. All property, all the well-paying jobs, all the bank loans.
Who cares if the government can't stop you from owning a successful farm -- all those white dudes still can. And they all think the N word is hilarious so they are using it on the job all the time, in musicals whatever. When you go to try to get a bank loan the guy is like "get lost ******" and all the guys working at the bank laugh appreciatively.
But you have equal Political Rights and all their worth on their own....which is less than a bucket of warm piss.
Oh yes, it's just an "illusion". Our rights aren't real...
Do I have to smoke weed first before I can absorb your nonsense?
If a bank said that to a black person, he'd legally wipe the floor with them so fucking fast that black dude would be shitting $100 bills.
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:14 PM
How? The NSA spies on black people more than whites?
Let me guess, cops illegally search black people more than whites?
If it happens, it happens to all races and all races have a legal defense against those unconstitutional actions.
It doesn't say "Only whites can benefit from the 4th Amendment".
they get harassed by cops(agents of the state) more than nonblacks. equal by the pen but not in practice.
anyway can i see your dick?
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 03:16 PM
Whites don't have more first amendment rights. That's the point of the "rights" -- is they give the illusion of equality.
Let's pretend that when the 1st amendment came out in America...everyone was given the protection equally and immediately ...which is totally not what happened.
White men owned all the damn capital in the country. All property, all the well-paying jobs, all the bank loans.
Who cares if the government can't stop you from owning a successful farm -- all those white dudes still can. And they all think the N word is hilarious so they are using it on the job all the time, in musicals whatever. When you go to try to get a bank loan the guy is like "get lost ******" and all the guys working at the bank laugh appreciatively.
But you have equal Political Rights and all their worth on their own....which is less than a bucket of warm piss.
so, this grew out of an assertion from you that white men created the idea of political rights, what do you suppose is the proper way of instituting equality on creatures of unequal nature in ever aspect except their shared creaturehood?
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 03:18 PM
Oh yes, it's just an "illusion". Our rights aren't real...
Do I have to smoke weed first before I can absorb your nonsense?
If a bank said that to a black person, he'd legally wipe the floor with them so fucking fast that black dude would be shitting $100 bills.
Thanks to cultural shifts quite independent of political rights. There is no political right to shit 100 bills if someone is racist toward you.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 03:21 PM
Thanks to cultural shifts quite independent of political rights. There is no political right to shit 100 bills if someone is racist toward you.
civil rights are political rights /bonk
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:23 PM
creatures of unequal nature
there it is
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:25 PM
they get harassed by cops(agents of the state) more than nonblacks. equal by the pen but not in practice.
anyway can i see your dick?
And black people can fight against illegal searches in court, just like whites can when cops do it to them too.
You'd have a point if it didn't happen to whites, but it does.
Black people get off all the time because the cop forgets to read them their Miranda rights, because you know....Black people have rights....
I swear both you and JD are retarded.
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:38 PM
And black people can fight against illegal searches in court, just like whites can when cops do it to them too.
You'd have a point if it didn't happen to whites, but it does.
Black people get off all the time because the cop forgets to read them their Miranda rights, because you know....Black people have rights....
I swear both you and JD are retarded.
so their rights being violated at a greater rate is somehow evidence of equality?
big if true
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 03:38 PM
so, this grew out of an assertion from you that white men created the idea of political rights, what do you suppose is the proper way of instituting equality on creatures of unequal nature in ever aspect except their shared creaturehood?
We are more equal than most creatures of the same species in nature. As Hobbes put it, none of us are so strong the weakest can't kill the strongest -- through alliance or secret machination.
The root of most things wrong with the world comes down to power differences. Power differences should be kept to a minimum.
Right now power is given out irresponsibility to whoever happens to obtain it.
No one cares about racism if their landlord, employer, people that teach your kids etc...have zero power over you. But that's not the world we live in. We live in one where power is given out rather arbitrarily. Those with the most are generally just those that want it the most.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:40 PM
so their rights being violated at a greater rate is somehow evidence of equality?
big if true
No.
No one guarantees that your rights will never be violated.
If they are violated, you have legal defenses.
Are you really this stupid?
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:45 PM
No.
No one guarantees that your rights will never be violated.
If they are violated, you have legal defenses.
Are you really this stupid?
? this is incoherent
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:48 PM
? this is incoherent
No it's not.
Do you know what "Rights" are?
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:49 PM
No it's not.
Do you know what "Rights" are?
Do you?
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:50 PM
Do you?
Why don't you go ahead and explain rights to me :)
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 03:52 PM
We are more equal than most creatures of the same species in nature. As Hobbes put it, none of us are so strong the weakest can't kill the strongest -- through alliance or secret machination.
The root of most things wrong with the world comes down to power differences. Power differences should be kept to a minimum.
Right now power is given out irresponsibility to whoever happens to obtain it.
No one cares about racism if their landlord, employer, people that teach your kids etc...have zero power over you. But that's not the world we live in. We live in one where power is given out rather arbitrarily. Those with the most are generally just those that want it the most.
so whom do we empower with the power to dole out power?
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 03:52 PM
Why don't you go ahead and explain rights to me :)
Why don't you suck my balls :)
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 03:53 PM
so whom do we empower with the power to dole out power?
Here's an idea:
Maybe we should all get together a pick a person every 4 years rather than coming up with bullshit systems to block that person and pick someone who is friendlier to who is already in power.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:55 PM
Why don't you suck my balls :)
Excellent, so what have we learned today class?
Just because your rights can be violated, doesn't mean you don't have rights.
A cop can forget to read you your Miranda rights (thus violating your rights) and later in court you can be defended and have your case thrown out for it.
Neat, huh?
And guess what? ALL races get that! Cool!
Wow!
clevergirl
10-16-2018, 03:57 PM
Working hard to violate ScaringChildrens rights, tired of the shitty feds getting in the way.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 03:57 PM
there it is
you cut off the last part that allowed for equality as things of like kind. even if you assume everyone is of identical mental and physical prowess (and attractiveness), the fact that some have power and some do not belies the idea that we are equal in every capacity.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 03:59 PM
Here's an idea:
Maybe we should all get together a pick a person every 4 years rather than coming up with bullshit systems to block that person and pick someone who is friendlier to who is already in power.
She was supposed to win...
https://i.imgur.com/XtJmOyG.gif
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 04:00 PM
Working hard to violate ScaringChildrens rights, tired of the shitty feds getting in the way.
My 4th Amendment rights get violated by the NSA everyday and I'm White.
RACISM!
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 04:02 PM
She was supposed to win...
https://i.imgur.com/XtJmOyG.gif
Bernie would have actually won. You know before some group of elites (the Democratic party) decided it shouldn't be 1 of the 2 options we're allowed to have.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 04:03 PM
Here's an idea:
Maybe we should all get together a pick a person every 4 years rather than coming up with bullshit systems to block that person and pick someone who is friendlier to who is already in power.
you don't liek this idea though because it allows old white men to laugh and say slurs and not give loans.
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 04:04 PM
Excellent, so what have we learned today class?
Just because your rights can be violated, doesn't mean you don't have rights.
A cop can forget to read you your Miranda rights (thus violating your rights) and later in court you can be defended and have your case thrown out for it.
Neat, huh?
And guess what? ALL races get that! Cool!
Wow!
If the rights of a group are regularly violated at a higher rate than the rest of the population, it is fair to say the group has less rights in practice. Citing individuals is not a refutation of this.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 04:05 PM
Bernie would have actually won. You know before some group of elites (the Democratic party) decided it shouldn't be 1 of the 2 options we're allowed to have.
Bernie Sanders was an old white man.
Aren't you trying to eliminate those from politics?
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 04:05 PM
you cut off the last part that allowed for equality as things of like kind. even if you assume everyone is of identical mental and physical prowess (and attractiveness), the fact that some have power and some do not belies the idea that we are equal in every capacity.
it's easy to mistake bias for meritocracy, if you're from the south.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 04:14 PM
you cut off the last part that allowed for equality as things of like kind. even if you assume everyone is of identical mental and physical prowess (and attractiveness), the fact that some have power and some do not belies the idea that we are equal in every capacity.
I'm saying the difference in ability is like less than 10% more often times. Lets say we meet a person who has never worked out vs the strongest person in the world. The strongest person in the world is like 900% stronger. This gap is quite a bit less then the one between average worker compared to CEO....
Let's say rich people got x9 more than the poor people. No one would give a shit.
However, because its like x361 or more, people are starting to rightfully point out: "There's no way that guy is that good at whatever the fuck he does." And what they do most the time is attain power. They are better at raising money or getting votes or something stupid like that.
It's a dumb way to divide resources.
You don't have to go to all people are paid the same to improve the massive unfairness that has taken hold over the most powerful human societies. Especially America. We're like the worst case in the world. We're the least understandable and have the most to lose by not changing.
But the people that control this country literally care more about their bank accounts.
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 04:21 PM
you're mistaking bias for meritocracy
no I am only speaking to the inequality of people. i didn't say they deserved the power, only that they had it. whether it is by bias, merit or random chance, some have it and some do not, therefore people are are not equal even if you assume they all possess equal mental and physical capacities ^.~v
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 04:22 PM
If the rights of a group are regularly violated at a higher rate than the rest of the population, it is fair to say the group has less rights in practice. Citing individuals is not a refutation of this.
It starts to bring all sorts of questions to the table.
I'm assuming men's rights are being violated the most when it comes to police.
Does that mean women have more rights than men?
Poor white people in trailer parks have their rights violated by police more than rich whites in gated communities.
Is it their white skin that makes the cops violate their rights? There has to be other factors, right?
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 04:23 PM
It starts to bring all sorts of questions to the table.
I'm assuming men's rights are being violated the most when it comes to police.
Does that mean women have more rights than men?
Poor white people in trailer parks have their rights violated by police more than rich whites in gated communities.
Is it their white skin that makes the cops violate their rights? There has to be other factors, right?
All I'm trying to point out SC is that rights will only ever give you some standing in a discrimination case or maybe (if your lucky) a criminal defense. They never have, nor ever will, produce a society were everyone is treated equally.
Why point this out? Because Rightwingers insist that equal rights are the entire story of equality until they are blue the face. It never even occurs to them to think about the issue any differently then which group has which rights.
Ahldagor
10-16-2018, 04:29 PM
The movie Trading Places covered the last few pages of this thread sans Scaring Children stumbling over Wonkie's posts. How many have seen that movie? Its prettt dang good. "All for a dollar."
maskedmelon
10-16-2018, 04:30 PM
I'm saying the difference in ability is like less than 10% more often times. Lets say we meet a person who has never worked out vs the strongest person in the world. The strongest person in the world is like 900% stronger. This gap is quite a bit less then the one between average worker compared to CEO....
Let's say rich people got x9 more than the poor people. No one would give a shit.
However, because its like x361 or more, people are starting to rightfully point out: "There's no way that guy is that good at whatever the fuck he does." And what they do most the time is attain power. They are better at raising money or getting votes or something stupid like that.
It's a dumb way to divide resources.
You don't have to go to all people are paid the same to improve the massive unfairness that has taken hold over the most powerful human societies. Especially America. We're like the worst case in the world. We're the least understandable and have the most to lose by not changing.
But the people that control this country literally care more their bank accounts.
I'm not sure how much CEOs should be paid and as a general rule I feel there is a strong pragmatic argument for throttling rewards at the top because if you don't you will get consolidation and stagnation.
That said, im not sure you understand the value effective leadership. that guy with 361 followers may well be worth more than 722 leaderless people. An effective leader adds value to his followers and organization.
Asteria
10-16-2018, 04:41 PM
liberals aren't hateful about their racism like conservatives are (when they are racist). liberals are generally compassionately soft bigoted in the form of lower expectations on the issue of race. given the disadvantages face by some groups that may be warranted. not going to cast judgement on the motivation, but I think by embracing that sort of mindset you cripple the populations you are trying to help.
the major difference between the average liberal and average conservative is that comservatives are more likely to invoke stereotypes out of plain ignorance and general lack of exposure whereas liberals are inclined to make light of stereotypes in misguided efforts to make minorities feel a part of the team. this fosters resentment on behalf of minorities who are often genuinely insulted even if they choose not to express it.
I think Conservatives in every society tend to be racist.
This is conservatism in a nutshell:
There are Winners and Losers. Our party is the winners trying to prevent the losers from taking our stuff! Notice how we are winning? Duh, because we're winners. Join us and be a winner! Or, you'll be a loser like them and will deserve it!
You can do can do this with anything. Race, Money, Religion, you name it. And really conservative people tend to have this attitude about everything.
It's an evolutionary strategy to blend in and stay safe.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 04:43 PM
I'm not sure how much CEOs should be paid and as a general rule I feel there is a strong pragmatic argument for throttling rewards at the top because if you don't you will get consolidation and stagnation.
That said, im not sure you understand the value effective leadership. that guy with 361 followers may well be worth more than 722 leaderless people. An effective leader adds value to his followers and organization.
Something like 1 out of 10 people are natural leaders.
Honestly though. Most CEOs aren't really leaders....they are just in charge. There's a difference. A cop is in charge -- doesn't make that cop your leader.
In fact, leaders usually don't need to threaten people to follow them. They just get followers. Most "Bosses" in the workplace are not leaders. People listen to them so they won't get fired.
For every natural leader there is someone that wants to be a leader but isn't very good at it. These people -- motivated by an inferiority complex -- are some of the worst leaders. Very common type you meet in your typical corporation at all levels of management.
Asteria
10-16-2018, 04:45 PM
Edit: Keep in mind conservative is actually a personality type, not just a political party. So you can be a conservative person born into a upper middle class family of "liberals" in San Francisco. You learn how superior your multi-cultural ideology is at a young age -- that you are one of the successful urban winners and not one of those rural Republican losers (still working labor jobs lol!). When it comes time to talk about the Democratic party platform -- it becomes about getting rid of the losers and identifying with the winners....even if there is a D next to your name.
Most early risers that get a lot done by a young age (sprinters according to sociologist lingo) are conservative. And this is regardless of their political party. Our society is highly slanted toward rewarding sprinters atm...even in the Democratic party.
A+ post and a good topic rarely discussed or observed by many Americans whom may or may not subscribe to the Dems vs Repubs and Conservatives vs Liberals cliches.
Asteria
10-16-2018, 04:51 PM
Oh yes, it's just an "illusion". Our rights aren't real...
Do I have to smoke weed first before I can absorb your nonsense?
If a bank said that to a black person, he'd legally wipe the floor with them so fucking fast that black dude would be shitting $100 bills.
SC, you CANNOT use the N word around a black person you don't know or they will literally all beat you bloody like a ragdoll because libs encourage and expect them all to be violent anyways just like you and I do! Please don't do ever do that - we don't want to get beatup unfairly because the leftists are so racist and encourage violent black behavior against "evil white racists."
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 04:55 PM
SC, you CANNOT use the N word around a black person you don't know or they will literally all beat you bloody like a ragdoll because libs encourage and expect them all to be violent anyways just like you and I do! Please don't do ever do that - we don't want to get beatup unfairly because the leftists are so racist and encourage violent black behavior against "evil white racists."
If they didn't beat me up you'd call them "race traitors" for thinking for themselves.
Black people don't have the freedom to have different opinions because the left won't let them.
Still slaves for the Democrats
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 05:02 PM
If they didn't beat me up you'd call them "race traitors" for thinking for themselves.
Black people don't have the freedom to have different opinions because the left won't let them.
Still slaves for the Democrats
please do not refer to black people as slaves
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:05 PM
please do not refer to black people as slaves
Please don't treat black people like your slaves.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:11 PM
If they didn't beat me up you'd call them "race traitors" for thinking for themselves.
Black people don't have the freedom to have different opinions because the left won't let them.
Still slaves for the Democrats
https://youtu.be/Fh7-D1daJEg
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 05:15 PM
Please don't treat black people like your slaves.
speaking of kanye...
America
10-16-2018, 05:18 PM
I'm saying the difference in ability is like less than 10% more often times. Lets say we meet a person who has never worked out vs the strongest person in the world. The strongest person in the world is like 900% stronger. This gap is quite a bit less then the one between average worker compared to CEO....
Let's say rich people got x9 more than the poor people. No one would give a shit.
However, because its like x361 or more, people are starting to rightfully point out: "There's no way that guy is that good at whatever the fuck he does." And what they do most the time is attain power. They are better at raising money or getting votes or something stupid like that.
It's a dumb way to divide resources.
You don't have to go to all people are paid the same to improve the massive unfairness that has taken hold over the most powerful human societies. Especially America. We're like the worst case in the world. We're the least understandable and have the most to lose by not changing.
But the people that control this country literally care more about their bank accounts.
Have already covered this in a past exchange with you. You tapped out. But here you are. NPC spitting the same immutable opinions whenever hailed.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:19 PM
speaking of kanye...
Kanye is acting on his own and you're condemning him for it.
He has a different opinion and you're calling him a slave...
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 05:22 PM
Kanye is acting on his own and you're condemning him for it.
He has a different opinion and you're calling him a slave...
i didn't call him a slave, you said not to treat black people like slaves, i just juxtaposed a recent event
what are you trying to infer?
Asteria
10-16-2018, 05:23 PM
Working hard to violate ScaringChildrens rights, tired of the shitty feds getting in the way.
JOHNNY RIVERS - "Secret Agent Man" 1966 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4)
"Secret Agent Man" lyrics
There's a man who leads a life of danger
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
With every move he makes
Another chance he takes
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Beware of pretty faces that you find
A pretty face can hide an evil mind
Oh, be careful what you say
Or you'll give yourself away
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Swinging on the Riviera one day
And then laying in a Bombay alley next day
Oh, don't you let the wrong words slip
While kissing persuasive lips
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Asteria
10-16-2018, 05:27 PM
However, because its like x361 or more, people are starting to rightfully point out: "There's no way that guy is that good at whatever the fuck he does." And what they do most the time is attain power. They are better at raising money or getting votes or something stupid like that......
......But the people that control this country literally care more about their bank accounts.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:31 PM
i didn't call him a slave, you said not to treat black people like slaves, i just juxtaposed a recent event
what are you trying to infer?
Don't even try to play it off like you weren't implying that Kanye was a slave being used by Trump.
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 05:35 PM
Kanye is ahead of the curve is all. All rappers will eventually belong to the conservative party. At least the rich ones.
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 05:37 PM
Don't even try to play it off like you weren't implying that Kanye was a slave being used by Trump.
nope, just that he was treated like a house slave, but nice try
clevergirl
10-16-2018, 05:43 PM
America (https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/gop-candidate-brothel-owner-dennis-hof-found-dead/amp/)
JurisDictum
10-16-2018, 05:44 PM
“Ron Jeremy found him this morning when he went to wake him to go to a meeting,” Muth added in another tweet.
These guys actually hung out? IDK why that's funny to me.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 05:45 PM
nope, just that he was treated like a house slave, but nice try
So you weren't calling him a slave.
You were calling him a house slave.
Ok...
misterbonkers
10-16-2018, 05:57 PM
So you weren't calling him a slave.
You were calling him a house slave.
Ok...
treated as such, but anyways, here's your sign
https://i.imgur.com/95yzMky.png
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 06:02 PM
treated as such, but anyways, here's your sign
https://i.imgur.com/95yzMky.png
A house slave is a slave, moron.
Ahldagor
10-16-2018, 06:04 PM
“Ron Jeremy found him this morning when he went to wake him to go to a meeting,” Muth added in another tweet.
These guys actually hung out? IDK why that's funny to me.
The Hedgehog has a lot of friends. The guy overdose or something? I didn't read the article.
Patriam1066
10-16-2018, 06:07 PM
Have already covered this in a past exchange with you. You tapped out. But here you are. NPC spitting the same immutable opinions whenever hailed.
Dunk
Ahldagor
10-16-2018, 06:07 PM
A house slave is a slave, moron.
Kanye can keep satisying his narcissism with the president, but he's gotta close those porno tabs on his phone better. Meanwhile his wife will keep fucking Drake literally making Kanye a cuck.
Patriam1066
10-16-2018, 06:14 PM
I think Conservatives in every society tend to be racist.
This is conservatism in a nutshell:
There are Winners and Losers. Our party is the winners trying to prevent the losers from taking our stuff! Notice how we are winning? Duh, because we're winners. Join us and be a winner! Or, you'll be a loser like them and will deserve it!
You can do can do this with anything. Race, Money, Religion, you name it. And really conservative people tend to have this attitude about everything.
It's an evolutionary strategy to blend in and stay safe.
So true. I think you are a loser by nature and by nurture. As for religion, I’m praying for you to channel the energy you waste whining into trying to get a female or a job
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 06:41 PM
Lord Turtle pivoting back to deficit hawk...wonder where all that revenue went...
he's delightful! :o
clevergirl
10-16-2018, 06:55 PM
JOHNNY RIVERS - "Secret Agent Man" 1966 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4)
"Secret Agent Man" lyrics
There's a man who leads a life of danger
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
With every move he makes
Another chance he takes
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Beware of pretty faces that you find
A pretty face can hide an evil mind
Oh, be careful what you say
Or you'll give yourself away
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
Swinging on the Riviera one day
And then laying in a Bombay alley next day
Oh, don't you let the wrong words slip
While kissing persuasive lips
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow
Secret Agent Man
Secret Agent Man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
That's a good one. *heartfaces*
Patriam1066
10-16-2018, 06:59 PM
Lord Turtle pivoting back to deficit hawk...wonder where all that revenue went...
he's delightful! :o
McConnell blamed the deficit increase on Medicare
Can’t stand the guy
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 07:09 PM
McConnell blamed the deficit increase on Medicare
Can’t stand the guy
he owns. completely ruthless.
ScaringChildren
10-16-2018, 08:22 PM
"Asians must be sacrificed because fuck white people!"
- ACLU
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1051626960537808898?s=20
Patriam1066
10-16-2018, 08:28 PM
he owns. completely ruthless.
That ruthlessness comes from Kentucky opioids and his Chinese wife. China delenda est
Wonkie
10-16-2018, 08:33 PM
"Asians must be sacrificed because fuck white people!"
- ACLU
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1051626960537808898?s=20
i mean, if there's a limited number of spots, yes it is zero sum. is this a buzzword?
this stupid country.
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