******Official politics thread ******

[Wonkie]

Trump's America is so fascist and racist that illegal immigrants are throwing rocks at government officials in an attempt to come in.

its' an islamic ritual to throw rocks at the devil

[Ahldagor]

RIP Alex Smith's leg. Theisman anniversary too.

[ScaringChildren]

i'll just leave this here (https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/debate-me-dudes-ben-shapiro-ocasio-cortez)

You know why this exists?

Because leftists never debate. Because they can't.

Everything is built on faith.

Discussing ideas requires self reflection, questioning, and critical thinking.

All of which is haram to religion and cults, which is what the far left has become.

The moment a leftist questions their side, they're casted out and excommunicated.

Forced to apologize on Twitter and remain confused for eternity.

[mickmoranis]

i'll just leave this here (https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/debate-me-dudes-ben-shapiro-ocasio-cortez)

a dissertation disguised as intellectualism that discourages even the discussing of issues.

This is as alt left as it gets.

You silence debate on campus with violence

you silence debate on the internet with pseudo intellectualism

you try to even silence the right for debate by getting rid of the amendments that protect your right to have it.

https://i.imgur.com/iPyAtV5.jpg

[Wonkie]

lol froggetbois triggered by mr sketelal

[ScaringChildren]

lol froggetbois triggered by mr sketelal

That article was just too retarded. Had to respond.

It amounted to "why can't we be strong enough to argue what we value?".

The far left's ideology is on shaky ground so much that even discussing it would instantly trigger intellectual inconsistencies.

Debate and discussion weeds out terrible ideas, which is why the far left doesn't want anything to do with it.

[Wonkie]

That article was just too retarded. Had to respond.

It amounted to "why can't we be strong enough to argue what we value?".

The far left's ideology is on shaky ground so much that even discussing it would instantly trigger intellectual inconsistencies.

Debate and discussion weeds out terrible ideas, which is why the far left doesn't want anything to do with it.

twerps get put in timeout

[ScaringChildren]

twerps get put in timeout

And the avoidance continues...

[Ahldagor]

Never mind the distance created by the internet essentially allowing avoidance or mockery, a pundit talking over a guest in order to silence them for ratings, or not knowing how debates actually work.

Case in point:

https://www.upworthy.com/10-years-ago-jon-stewart-went-on-an-epic-rant-on-cnn-it-never-gets-old

[ScaringChildren]

Never mind the distance created by the internet essentially allowing avoidance or mockery, a pundit talking over a guest in order to silence them for ratings, or not knowing how debates actually work.

Case in point:

https://www.upworthy.com/10-years-ago-jon-stewart-went-on-an-epic-rant-on-cnn-it-never-gets-old

I actually 100% support Jon Stewart here.

He's criticizing television punditry though, not intellectual debate.

[AzzarTheGod]

I actually 100% support Jon Stewart here.


u betta boi or we gonna go n[]gmode on ur ase

[Ahldagor]

I actually 100% support Jon Stewart here.

He's criticizing television punditry though, not intellectual debate.

Precisely. Punditry is mistaken for debate due to shows like crossfire and all the subsequent copycat shows since. The saddest thing is televised political debates fall into that model more often than not now and days.

[Wonkie]

I actually 100% support Jon Stewart here.

He's criticizing television punditry though, not intellectual debate.

oh is that what you think you're doing? :p

[ScaringChildren]

oh is that what you think you're doing? :p

No, I know what I'm doing.

This is about the left shying away from actual discussion, don't even try to shift this to me.

[ScaringChildren]

u betta boi or we gonna go n[]gmode on ur ase

Now I don't agree with him.

Fuck you gon do?

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/aBb3sO2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/Wale9Qp_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Wonkie]

No, I know what I'm doing.

This is about the left shying away from actual discussion, don't even try to shift this to me.

what are you doing

are you good at it

can we see your hog

[misterbonkers]

lol froggetbois triggered by mr sketelal

https://i.imgur.com/iJI5QmA.jpg

[ScaringChildren]

Antifa headbutts an innocent jewish man, and calls him a fascist and nazi in Philadelphia (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiHuv_Qmd_eAhUFY6wKHWEDBIwQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesofisrael.com%2Fjewish-man-said-accidentally-attacked-by-left-wing-protesters-in-philadelphia%2F&psig=AOvVaw1pKZkLuaLvODiCFq8APEwA&ust=1542673734786321)

[ScaringChildren]

can we see your hog

It's behind the milk carton

https://i.imgur.com/i3IDsKa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[clevergirl]

*barely lost at all

Like 1% would have put us over the top, if a bunch of white whores didn't vote the party line ya'll would be singing kumbaya at reeducation camp.

[Wonkie]

It's behind the milk carton

https://i.imgur.com/i3IDsKa_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

thanks for the body positivity bud

[ScaringChildren]

*barely lost at all

Like 1% would have put us over the top, if a bunch of white whores didn't vote the party line ya'll would be singing kumbaya at reeducation camp.

K.

You going to throw us in those camps or you going to rely on a big strong man who considers himself a feminist and a fan of Harry Potter?

[ScaringChildren]

thanks for the body positivity bud

Leftists merely virtue signal about body positivity.

I get down in the trenches and actually fuck fat chicks.

Try harder and maybe you can be as virtuous as me.

[clevergirl]

K.

You going to throw us in those camps or you going to rely on a big strong man who considers himself a feminist and a fan of Harry Potter?

Robots and conscripted genderless ninjagenerals.

P.s. no one is putting u in a camp bra. We'll just shoot u ded for using the wrong pronoun and the police will call it self defense via castle doctrine/ stand ur ground, rather then racially racist white vs black grounds.

It's time someone brought ya'll to heel and helped u learn how to be real men.

[clevergirl]

Leftists merely virtue signal about body positivity.

I get down in the trenches and actually fuck fat chicks.

Try harder and maybe you can be as virtuous as me.

I'm deliberately losing a ton of weight and sculpting my body to fit a sexiest patriarchal ideal. And I voted for the baby killing nazicommie. Andy.

And I'm very extremely exclusive of who and what I socialize with. I fucking hate unhygienic sweaty obeses.

[ScaringChildren]

Robots and conscripted genderless ninjagenerals.

P.s. no one is putting u in a camp bra. We'll just shoot u ded for using the wrong pronoun and the police will call it self defense via castle doctrine/ stand ur ground, rather then racially racist white vs black grounds.

It's time someone brought ya'll to heel and helped u learn how to be real men.

The far left has no muscle.

You need to win mafia-owned unions back.

You're made up of college aged women and stay at home moms.

[clevergirl]

Yes. I backpedaled on the camps. You'll probably just get Ebola and diabetes from your macaroni and bigmacs and FEMA 'd into plastic coffins.

[clevergirl]

The far left has no muscle.

You need to win mafia-owned unions back.

You're made up of college aged women and stay at home moms.
I'll honestly say uve got me bud, that's a super valid point.

[ScaringChildren]

I want a blue IKEA bag coffin pls

[clevergirl]

I want a blue IKEA bag coffin pls

Done!

*cheers*

[Wonkie]

Leftists merely virtue signal about body positivity.

I get down in the trenches and actually fuck fat chicks.

Try harder and maybe you can be as virtuous as me.

what's with the ring

[ScaringChildren]

what's with the ring

Dunno.

She's not married (as far as I know)

[Ahldagor]

Leftists merely virtue signal about body positivity.

I get down in the trenches and actually fuck fat chicks.

Try harder and maybe you can be as virtuous as me.

Them bitches like to eat. They usually know proper saliva control too.

Obesity is wrong tho', there's a point where you're not even trying to take care of your self and are just a piece of shit human being.

[rollin5k]

black gay woman smarty af (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbwANOmVDk)

[Wonkie]

black gay woman smarty af (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbwANOmVDk)

https://i.imgur.com/DMs7Sun.jpg

nice, the sex numbers

[AzzarTheGod]

lotta bark on the forums but im out here no rubbers

reminder im out here butt ass

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/DMs7Sun.jpg

nice, the sex numbers

Can't refute his argument, just relies on "Look he makes money!".

[clevergirl]

Last time I click a YouTube link ever hoping to see a black gay woman and instead I'm met with a pudgy white guy with genetic deformities and only 1.4k views who was disqualified from service masturbating on the American flag.

That shit is gross.

[America]

black gay woman smarty af (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRbwANOmVDk)

wow horror click liveleak tier

[mickmoranis]

John Oliver did a show on authoritarianism and said Trump and conservatives are authoritarians

These are his 3 rules for authoritarianism:

So... Let me point this out.

1. Demonstrating your strengths with parades.
2. Demonizing your enemies.
3. Dismantling institution.

Democrats:

1. Demonstrating their strength by having protests across the country regularly.

CHECK

2. Demonizing "fly over states" and "raycist" "not empathetic" conservatives

CHECK

3. Dismantling institutions. Get rid of the Bill of Rights and freedom of Speech get rid of the second amendment and your right to protect yourself from the government get rid of your sovereignty.

Hmm

[ScaringChildren]

a wholesome and healthy kid's show on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI3voZCASp0)

[Cecily]

1. A civilian protest is a little different than a military parade in terms of ordinance and a few other key areas.

2. Calling someone racist isn’t quite the same as the leader of our country saying this group of people is why Americans can’t get jobs or calling journalism fake because it isn’t complimentary.

3. As far as I know, free speech still exists, but the EPA might not for much longer.

[ScaringChildren]

1. A civilian protest is a little different than a military parade in terms of ordinance and a few other key areas.

2. Calling someone racist isn’t quite the same as the leader of our country saying this group of people is why Americans can’t get jobs or calling journalism fake because it isn’t complimentary.

3. As far as I know, free speech still exists, but the EPA might not for much longer.

1. Having hordes of people dressed in red and black, attacking anyone who differs from them and attacking people from peacefully assembling is authoritarian.

2. Trump isn't saying that. Nice strawman. However, Leftists are asking if they should use violence against conservatives. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-liberals-antifa-violence-20170718-story.html)

3. Free Speech exists because Conservatives fight for it. Leftists want to regress back into the 5th century where wrong think and opinions mean jail time.

This recent study found that Leftists are just as likely to be dogmatic Authoritarians as those on the Right. (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pops.12470)

The fact that only the Right gets painted as Authoritarian is absurd and that should worry you.

[Jaxon]

I'll bet anyone 10,000 platinum that the EPA will still exist by the time Trump leaves office.

[Cecily]

I'll bet anyone 10,000 platinum that the EPA will still exist by the time Trump leaves office.

Trump is gonna install an ex-coal lobbyist as head of the EPA. You’re probably right about the agency still existing. Not sure about the environment.

[ScaringChildren]

Trump is gonna install an ex-coal lobbyist as head of the EPA. You’re probably right about the agency still existing. Not sure about the environment.

The agency and environment will still exist.

[Irulan]

^^ automated autism and industrial pollution with no regard to regulation at a national level.

[bomaroast]

3. Dismantling institutions. Get rid of the Bill of Rights and freedom of Speech get rid of the second amendment and your right to protect yourself from the government get rid of your sovereignty.

I hold allegiance to neither "conservative" nor "liberals". This is absurd. If you really think that people on the "other side" want this then you're living in a strange headspace, and I implore you to reconsider your humanity.

[mickmoranis]

1. A civilian protest is a little different than a military parade in terms of ordinance and a few other key areas.

2. Calling someone racist isn’t quite the same as the leader of our country saying this group of people is why Americans can’t get jobs or calling journalism fake because it isn’t complimentary.

3. As far as I know, free speech still exists, but the EPA might not for much longer.

Wow so NOTHING you do is wrong and EVERYTHING the other tribe does is right?

Get a grip.

Mandated Health Care Tax for the poor was the last democratic policy.

You cant have socialism without authoriatarianism, which is why we call you all communists, because as soon as you realize that 50% of any population doesnt want to do what the other 50% tells them they have to do, youll find you need a boot to keep your system intact.

[Irulan]

I hold allegiance to neither "conservative" nor "liberals". This is absurd. If you really think that people on the "other side" want this then you're living in a strange headspace, and I implore you to reconsider your humanity.

Lots of Trump stickers and infowars stickers on his van down by the river. In a conservative society, the FBI and J Edgar Hoover would be seeing him really soon.

[ScaringChildren]

^^ automated autism and industrial pollution with no regard to regulation at a national level.

I'd kill the Earth if it meant bringing you down :)

[America]

I'd kill the Earth if it meant bringing you down :)

noq thats an abusive codependency

well romantic

[Irulan]

I'd kill the Earth if it meant bringing you down :)

You love me lol. Because im unapologetic and 100% genuine w/ U

[Cecily]

Wow so NOTHING you do is wrong and EVERYTHING the other tribe does is right?.

I think that’s your point. I was simply countering your statements with ones more grounded in reality. The freedom of speech* issues you mention are absolutely troubling and guns are a can of worms I honestly don’t want to discuss because I don’t care if it’s no guns or guns for every kindergarter.

The overall vibe I get from the Trump presidency is that he’s a bad thing to happen our country and it makes me a little upset, but hopeful it’ll change. Please don’t conflate me with your idea of what my ideas are. It’s disrespectful.

[Irulan]

I think that’s your point. I was simply countering your statements with ones more grounded in reality. The freedom of speech* issues you mention are absolutely troubling and guns are a can of worms I honestly don’t want to discuss because I don’t care if it’s no guns or guns for every kindergarter.

The overall vibe I get from the Trump presidency is that he’s a bad thing to happen our country and it makes me a little upset, but hopeful it’ll change. Please don’t conflate me with your idea of what my ideas are. It’s disrespectful.

+1

Stop projecting liberalism plz. Its unbecumming of a true patriotic American.

[rollin5k]

The left disrespects free speech on a regular basis. Look what happen to Canada and Europe. If you think the left wants to honor the Constitution you definitely have your head inside of butt.

[Irulan]

The left disrespects free speech on a regular basis. Look what happen to Canada and Europe. If you think the left wants to honor the Constitution you definitely have your head inside of butt.

Democratic centrists aren't an egregious threat to free speech and association.

Prove me wrong.

[bomaroast]

This guy thinks 330 million are in one of two camps, and thats just how it is. Black and White. Way to go guy, you're really applying that slab of meat in your head. Great job!

Oh, and also that 115 million are completely in agreement with each other.

[rollin5k]

Ok i will use logic to prove you wrong. They vote for democrats and dont support our president and his agenda to protect citizens rights well enough right now. The left is basically forcing people into supporting a camp that wants to challenge the Constitution just to shit on Trump

[Irulan]

This guy thinks 330 million are in one of two camps, and thats just how it is. Black and White. Way to go guy, you're really applying that slab of meat in your head. Great job!

Oh, and also that 115 million are completely in agreement with each other.

Brains are highly sugary and carby and are best fried in butter and breadcrumbs, otherwise you'll get no argument from me.

[Irulan]

Ok i will use logic to prove you wrong. They vote for democrats and dont support our president and his agenda to protect citizens rights well enough right now. The left is basically forcing people into supporting a camp that wants to challenge the Constitution just to shit on Trump

Trump has already done arguably unconstitutional executive orders and appointments.

Prove me wrong.

[bomaroast]

This is just one never-ending troll fest. <backs away and closes the door>

[Cecily]

You should probably turn your tv off. No sense getting a heart attack in your 30s. Trump is gonna remain in power for the rest of this term, perhaps another, and then we can get back to serious things like Fox News criticism of the Democratic president’s choice of condiments.

[Irulan]

This is just one never-ending troll fest. <backs away and closes the door>

You should probably turn your tv off. No sense getting a heart attack in your 30s. Trump is gonna remain in power for the rest of this term, perhaps another, and then we can get back to serious things like Fox News criticism of the Democratic president’s choice of condiments.

I agree. I also don't think Fox or YouTube will be able to return discourse to civil and rational levels.

[rollin5k]

Upholding the Constitution and protecting our nation and it's citizens rights hasn't been infringed upon by Trump.

[rollin5k]

Our constitution is the greatest work of government since the dawn of man. If you shit on it i shit on you. Trump doesnt shit on it. Cool

[Cecily]

It’s ok to be upset. Let it all out.

[America]

i bought a mug at goodwill, stupid mug with lacquer on it, for work kitchen and the 1st time it got hot (just now) it began sweating very sticky brown ink stuff EVERYWHERE, like the mug is physically oozing and i got brown sticky schmear all on my hand

[clevergirl]

i bought a mug at goodwill, stupid mug with lacquer on it, for work kitchen and the 1st time it got hot (just now) it began sweating very sticky brown ink stuff EVERYWHERE, like the mug is physically oozing and i got brown sticky schmear all on my hand

#wrist

Amazon mugs are scaring me lately. Looking for kosher / amish / halal sourced consumer goods lately and willing to pay premiums.

[Wonkie]

This is just one never-ending troll fest. <backs away and closes the door>

debate me u coward

[ScaringChildren]

debate me u coward

typical leftist, only wants to debate when the person runs away

[clevergirl]

debate me u coward
https://i.imgur.com/CzQjFsK.jpg
:o:p

[Wonkie]

typical leftist, only wants to debate when the person runs away

https://i.imgur.com/pJtkN9h.jpg

[Cecily]

Omg that cracked me up.

[ScaringChildren]

Substitute 'Sea Lions' with 'Jews'.

[clevergirl]

Substitute 'Sea Lions' with 'Jews'.

Antisemitism!

[mickmoranis]

I think that’s your point. I was simply countering your statements with ones more grounded in reality. The freedom of speech* issues you mention are absolutely troubling and guns are a can of worms I honestly don’t want to discuss because I don’t care if it’s no guns or guns for every kindergarter.

The overall vibe I get from the Trump presidency is that he’s a bad thing to happen our country and it makes me a little upset, but hopeful it’ll change. Please don’t conflate me with your idea of what my ideas are. It’s disrespectful.

It’s ok to be upset. Let it all out.

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/pJtkN9h.jpg

liberals read this comic and think the sea lion is a conserv yet they fail to realize the right has conversations on their own and liberals show up in the hundreds to scream about how they dont want to have that conversation.

[Cecily]

I literally read it as an amusing comic about an arguing sea lion.

[ScaringChildren]

liberals read this comic and think the sea lion is a conserv yet they fail to realize the right has conversations on their own and liberals show up in the hundreds to scream about how they dont want to have that conversation.

the sea lion shows up in a red bandana and throws a molotov cocktail through their window

[mickmoranis]

"news isnt FAKE saying it IS is fascism! (also faux news is fake!!)"

https://i.imgur.com/9NktQoc.jpg

[Cecily]

It’s funny because sea lions don’t talk.

[misterbonkers]

told you dude. sea lions.

[America]

sea lionism didnt die it just went underground

[ScaringChildren]

STEVE BANNONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pold15c8H70)

[ScaringChildren]

WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJTN_UsS2L0)

[ScaringChildren]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAfm5L_DOLM)

[misterbonkers]

debate me u coward

https://twitter.com/JoshJST/status/1063961000813174784

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/FWO2Lbp.jpg

[rollin5k]

Hahaha and call them papi

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/tVhROhY.png

[clevergirl]

How do you boys feel about cadet bonedpurs trash talking McRaven the SEAL who is critical of him, who had earlier in his career helped capture Osama?

You going to give the 300lb golfmaster playboy extraordinaire with the tasteless toupee another mulligan?

[Irulan]

How do you boys feel about cadet bonedpurs trash talking McRaven the SEAL who is critical of him, who had earlier in his career helped capture Osama?

You going to give the 300lb golfmaster playboy extraordinaire with the tasteless toupee another mulligan?

Seconded.

[America]

How do you boys feel about cadet bonedpurs trash talking McRaven the SEAL who is critical of him, who had earlier in his career helped capture Osama?

You going to give the 300lb golfmaster playboy extraordinaire with the tasteless toupee another mulligan?

mccain remark is years old now. if u give a fuk its not new news lol

[ScaringChildren]

How do you boys feel about cadet bonedpurs trash talking McRaven the SEAL who is critical of him, who had earlier in his career helped capture Osama?

You going to give the 300lb golfmaster playboy extraordinaire with the tasteless toupee another mulligan?

You know that just because someone served in the military doesn't mean they can't be mentally retarded, right?

[clevergirl]

Well this recent tweet spat was the 17th, or like last night today cuz the Dumpster Fire in the Oval Oriface was trying to take credit for more shit he didn't do, and could never do.

[rollin5k]

Is that vox article a confession the left doesn't want black to work? Whoa man thats fuckin heavy

[clevergirl]

Unemployment stats are rigged, also, that's Obama's economy moron, Trump's economy doesn't happen till 19/21 when the deficit and tradewars start to really pay off and food and healthcare costs double up again while workers get $1.50 hr raise in wages, or annually like $500.

You shitlords deserve the bullets.

[ScaringChildren]

You shitlords deserve the bullets.

WEEEE WOOOOO WEEEE OOOO HATE SPEECH ALERT!! WEEEEE WOOOOO WEEEE WOOOOO

[rollin5k]

Proof unemployment stats are rigged sir?

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/MOQYv5a.png

[clevergirl]

WEEEE WOOOOO WEEEE OOOO HATE SPEECH ALERT!! WEEEEE WOOOOO WEEEE WOOOOO

*regurgitates dreadful existential party propaganda porn*

You guys really are fucking endlessly pathologically pathetic. Le-sighe, Im bored.

Please enjoy the rest of your evening news cycle circle jerk experience.

P.s. Republicans, especially your undemocratic moron are endlessly going apeshit about fake news AND rigged elections, Republicans get the bullets here, not the high road.

[ScaringChildren]

Leftists love Democracy when they win.

When Leftists lose, they say fascism is on the rise and that democracy is dead.

[ScaringChildren]

Le-sighe

https://imgur.com/uIzUpes.gif

[clevergirl]

P.s. Republicans, especially your undemocratic moron are endlessly going apeshit about fake news AND rigged elections, Republicans get the bullets here, not the high road.

Doubling down on this cuz multiple threats of violence if you're fat retard lost, plus 3million Mexicans voted and inauguration crowds.

Really, wasting bullets on you guys is too much, sledges and bolt guns would be more appropriate.

Toodles.

[rollin5k]

Leftist news article wants black jobless. That's all we need to know.

[Wonkie]

Proof unemployment stats are rigged sir?

common knowledge bud

[ScaringChildren]

Doubling down on this cuz multiple threats of violence if you're fat retard lost, plus 3million Mexicans voted and inauguration crowds.

Really, wasting bullets on you guys is too much, sledges and bolt guns would be more appropriate.

Toodles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

[ScaringChildren]

common knowledge bud

This is what Nazis say when people ask them to prove the Holocaust didn't happen.

[rollin5k]

Common knowledge! Good one

[mickmoranis]

*regurgitates dreadful existential party propaganda porn*

You guys really are fucking endlessly pathologically pathetic. Le-sighe, Im bored.

Please enjoy the rest of your evening news cycle circle jerk experience.

P.s. Republicans, especially your undemocratic moron are endlessly going apeshit about fake news AND rigged elections, Republicans get the bullets here, not the high road.

If you were curious what toxic masculinity was this is it!

[rollin5k]

Yes no shit right. Vox still admits in bold print it wants blacks unemployed. Fucking disgusting scum

[Wonkie]

Common knowledge! Good one

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics".

It's just fluff, every admin plays footsie with math to generate talking points. Don't get so bent out of shape about it.

[rollin5k]

I forget stats don't matter, my bad

[Patriam1066]

You should probably turn your tv off. No sense getting a heart attack in your 30s. Trump is gonna remain in power for the rest of this term, perhaps another, and then we can get back to serious things like Fox News criticism of the Democratic president’s choice of condiments.

Good post

[Patriam1066]

The left disrespects free speech on a regular basis. Look what happen to Canada and Europe. If you think the left wants to honor the Constitution you definitely have your head inside of butt.

“The left” wanted TPP. There is no left anywhere near power in America. We just have minorities, rednecks, and drug addicts who want welfare. That’s the left. The right is libertarianians, corporate profiteers, white nationalists, and apocalyptic evangelicals

Time for persian rule. Shahanshah 2020

[Irulan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome

Plz read the giggity comments on this apolitical article about a fresco in Pompeii, https://www.foxnews.com/science/stunning-sensual-queen-fresco-discovered-in-pompeii

Still ppl QQing about Hillary's fake email scam.

Then read the real facts here:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/19/669239143/fact-check-is-the-ex-seal-commander-attacked-by-trump-a-hillary-clinton-fan

Ya'll define the very idea of treasonously deranged to a fucking T.

[rollin5k]

The left maybe doesn't have international power but they do have power to fuck up our society look at the West coast. It's fucked

[Ahldagor]

https://i.imgur.com/CzQjFsK.jpg
:o:p

Pillow top extra? I bet you look damn good in that bed too.

[ScaringChildren]

Plz read the giggity comments on this apolitical article about a fresco in Pompeii, https://www.foxnews.com/science/stunning-sensual-queen-fresco-discovered-in-pompeii

Still ppl QQing about Hillary's fake email scam.

Then read the real facts here:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/19/669239143/fact-check-is-the-ex-seal-commander-attacked-by-trump-a-hillary-clinton-fan

Ya'll define the very idea of treasonously deranged to a fucking T.

NPR is a biased source, ya dingus

[clevergirl]

NPR is a biased source, ya dingus

Just a friendly reminder that Trump saluted a North Korean general.

[clevergirl]

Pillow top extra? I bet you look damn good in that bed too.

I need a good photographer ;p

[clevergirl]

Ivanka used her personal private email for official government business guys.

I expect you to be boothurt over this at least three generations.

[ScaringChildren]

Ivanka used her personal private email for official government business guys.

I expect you to be boothurt over this at least three generations.

Ivanka isn't the Secretary of State.

Prove me wrong.

[Wonkie]

Ivanka used her personal private email for official government business guys.

I expect you to be boothurt over this at least three generations.

lock her up

[ScaringChildren]

lock her up

to my bed ;)

[mickmoranis]

"look we can excuse our stupid behavior because of you stupid behavior."

Seems like an argument between two idiots so I wouldn't be too proud for upboating this meme

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/4VwnXQx.jpg

[JurisDictum]

Blaming atheism is like blaming fucking reality.

[America]

Blaming atheism is like blaming fucking reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsDB5n0RF8

[mickmoranis]

Blaming atheism is like blaming fucking reality.

yeah reality is humans are savage animals, until we constructed laws to keep us from killing each other and raping each other like literally all domesticated socialized animals do.

God stops the killing.

[Ahldagor]

Powell did the same thing as Hillary...

[Swish2]

Ivanka used her personal private email for official government business guys.

I expect you to be boothurt over this at least three generations.

Are you telling me my gmail account isn't secure?

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/PXSxdgS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[clevergirl]

https://i.imgur.com/PXSxdgS_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
When are you guys going to learn to respect people? Especially those you want to convince you're not just big bullies.

Oh, wait, might makes right, winning is all that matters, and your side is the toughest biggest bestest hugest, you don't need to be good cuz you'll just throw tantrums and shoot people if you lose while crying about fake infowars originalism propaganda and jesus and the 2A.

[America]

i'm in a great mood this morning things are looking up

[clevergirl]

Good for you goofball.

Here's some Finnish memes about our Glorious Dear Leaders Commentary (https://www.sfgate.com/california-wildfires/amp/Finland-raking-President-Trump-memes-wildfire-13405330.php) to brighten your day.

[America]

that you have this link on tap tells me your heuristics are outta wack

prescription (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgXBp-oEIR0)

don't get bored, he's building you a complex machine which i promise will nut. u could say it's "sex and nerd shit mix[ing]"

[feanan]

Oh no! Finnish memes! Will trump be able to withstand the onslaught?

[ScaringChildren]

Oh no! Finnish memes! Will trump be able to withstand the onslaught?

It's funny because the retards took him way out of context.

He was talking about the camp site that started the fire in California and on the basics of cleaning and up keeping a camp fire.

Clearing the area is important.

Idiots on the internet then turned it into raking the entire forest because they're desperate to criticize Trump on any little thing.

[ScaringChildren]

When are you guys going to learn to respect people? Especially those you want to convince you're not just big bullies.

Should we just be like you and say "you deserve bullets"?

[ScaringChildren]

Mexicans so racist smh :(
https://i.imgur.com/9FWUEsG.jpg

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/0oVUTrv.jpg

[mickmoranis]

https://i.imgur.com/0oVUTrv.jpg

conservatives are racist

all black people have a disadvantage because of the color of their skin

[mickmoranis]

When are you guys going to learn to respect people?

If only we could learn to be empathetic

https://i.imgur.com/s5zBmYQ.png

[clevergirl]

that you have this link on tap tells me your heuristics are outta wack

prescription (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgXBp-oEIR0)

don't get bored, he's building you a complex machine which i promise will nut. u could say it's "sex and nerd shit mix[ing]"

Not on speed dial. Just the Glorious internet blessings of the day.

You Trumpets are so deranged objective reality and self assessment is beyond you.

If vermin where lose in my grain, I'd put out some rat poison. You know what republirats do? They inhale their poison because it makes them feel good, it tastes good to them, so they swallow their tribal propaganda and tweets without care. You're inhaling your masters poison.

Demagogues aren't a reliable source of objective reality no matter how good their shit smells and tastes, no matter how superior and good and right it makes you feel.

The reality is your jimmies are so rustled you'd do anything to avoid apologizing and correcting the course of your party.

And for that, you can all go to hell.

[Cecily]

Michael Bloomberg donated 1.8 billion to JHU so that poors like me can get educated. My transcripts might be too chewed up to get accepted, but just the thought of going to school at Hopkins being within this realm of reality is crazy to think about.

[ScaringChildren]

Not on speed dial. Just the Glorious internet blessings of the day.

You Trumpets are so deranged objective reality and self assessment is beyond you.

If vermin where lose in my grain, I'd put out some rat poison. You know what republirats do? They inhale their poison because it makes them feel good, it tastes good to them, so they swallow their tribal propaganda and tweets without care. You're inhaling your masters poison.

Demagogues aren't a reliable source of objective reality no matter how good their shit smells and tastes, no matter how superior and good and right it makes you feel.

The reality is your jimmies are so rustled you'd do anything to avoid apologizing and correcting the course of your party.

And for that, you can all go to hell.

Someone once said, "When are you guys going to learn to respect people? Especially those you want to convince you're not just big bullies.

Oh, wait, might makes right, winning is all that matters, and your side is the toughest biggest bestest hugest, you don't need to be good cuz you'll just throw tantrums and shoot people if you lose while crying about fake infowars originalism propaganda and jesus and the 2A."

[ScaringChildren]

Michael Bloomberg donated 1.8 billion to JHU so that poors like me can get educated. My transcripts might be too chewed up to get accepted, but just the thought of going to school at Hopkins being within this realm of reality is crazy to think about.

Michael Bloomberg exercising a little "America First".

Politicians could learn from him and focus more on America.

[ScaringChildren]

Racist steretotypes...

https://i.imgur.com/BgAExAo.jpg

[mickmoranis]

lefts accusation the right is fascist simply psychological projection (http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/20/lefts-accusation-right-fascist-simply-psychological-projection/)

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/0BOMUnS.jpg

[clevergirl]

Someone once said, "When are you guys going to learn to respect people? Especially those you want to convince you're not just big bullies.

Oh, wait, might makes right, winning is all that matters, and your side is the toughest biggest bestest hugest, you don't need to be good cuz you'll just throw tantrums and shoot people if you lose while crying about fake infowars originalism propaganda and jesus and the 2A."

Im showing you in one sweeping breath how to correct your attitude by exactly replicating the rhetoric over at Fox, the National Review, Federalist, Brietbart, conservative talk radio, and basically every single Trump rally. Replace originalism with virtue signaling and republirat with demorat. Attack some victims of ststemic violence and abuse and you have the hypocritical talking points of the right wing media. And compound that with the evangelicals SJWing and virtue signaling on social media.

Now put your self in the place of someone whose been physically harmed and oppressed by the very culture whose toxic hypocrisy is espoused on the right. Look at all the ways you're Leaders are suppressing us and attempting to take away our liberty to civily and peacefully redress our grievances.

Since you're a white Male it's clearly OK for you to be upset by people who will not cow toe to and acknowledge your sides "perfection" and normalcy.

The minute someone "other" dpeaks up though, accuse them of being a commie, libtard, sjw, undemocratic tyrant. All the while supporting lobbies whose goals is to entirely censor and criminalize people and lifestyles they simply don't like and are free to not associate with.

Ive had it with "you people".

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/0NUxxjI.jpg

[clevergirl]

Please let 1998 go, it's clouding your judgement of 2018.

[ScaringChildren]

Ive had it with "you people".

You gonna put us in gas chambers now?

You guys are on the right side of history, right? It would only be social justice.

[ScaringChildren]

Please let 1998 go, it's clouding your judgement of 2018.

Nah, you guys still bring up Trump's "grab her by the pussy" line.

Now you wanna pretend history doesn't matter?

[rebeccablack]

lol at the idea that a dui from 10 years ago is gonna be a scandal in the current political climate.

[rebeccablack]

20 years even damn son

[ScaringChildren]

lol at the idea that a dui from 10 years ago is gonna be a scandal in the current political climate.

it will be for Beto.

He's a normie politician. He'll apologize and do the typical political weaseling.

If he's unapologetic then it won't be a problem.

[ScaringChildren]

20 years even damn son

So then what Trump did 20+ years ago shouldn't matter?

[mickmoranis]

"President Trump maybe didn't use the correct words against our people, but that doesn't mean that we, as Mexicans, have the need to flee to another country, to abandon our families, and not be able to return because of poverty in Mexico. The solution is not going to another country, the solution is to fight against our own government"

if only white people in america didnt think those words were raycist

[ScaringChildren]

Democratic 2020 Candidate Pushes US Govt-Sponsored 'Social Credit' System Like China's (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-19/democratic-2020-candidate-pushes-us-govt-sponsored-social-credit-system-chinas)

[rebeccablack]

it will be for Beto.

He's a normie politician. He'll apologize and do the typical political weaseling.

If he's unapologetic then it won't be a problem.
there was sort of an election thing already if youd like a preview for how it would be handled on a larger scale

So then what Trump did 20+ years ago shouldn't matter?
im not saying it shouldnt, im saying it didnt.

[mickmoranis]

"President Trump maybe didn't use the correct words against our people, but that doesn't mean that we, as Mexicans, have the need to flee to another country, to abandon our families, and not be able to return because of poverty in Mexico. The solution is not going to another country, the solution is to fight against our own government"

if only white people in america didnt think those words were raycist

[mickmoranis]

Im showing you in one sweeping breath how to correct your attitude by exactly replicating the rhetoric over at Fox, the National Review, Federalist, Brietbart, conservative talk radio, and basically every single Trump rally. Replace originalism with virtue signaling and republirat with demorat. Attack some victims of ststemic violence and abuse and you have the hypocritical talking points of the right wing media. And compound that with the evangelicals SJWing and virtue signaling on social media.

Now put your self in the place of someone whose been physically harmed and oppressed by the very culture whose toxic hypocrisy is espoused on the right. Look at all the ways you're Leaders are suppressing us and attempting to take away our liberty to civily and peacefully redress our grievances.

Since you're a white Male it's clearly OK for you to be upset by people who will not cow toe to and acknowledge your sides "perfection" and normalcy.

The minute someone "other" dpeaks up though, accuse them of being a commie, libtard, sjw, undemocratic tyrant. All the while supporting lobbies whose goals is to entirely censor and criminalize people and lifestyles they simply don't like and are free to not associate with.

Ive had it with "you people".

https://i.imgur.com/xLtmGLw.png

[ScaringChildren]

there was sort of an election thing already if youd like a preview for how it would be handled on a larger scale

Yeah, he lost.

Maybe you should review that.

[ScaringChildren]

This is the person who is tasked with saving the Democratic party?? Yikes lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2xDm-Y4l_4)

[rebeccablack]

Yeah, he lost.

Maybe you should review that.
do u think the dui is why a pro gun control liberal lost by less than 3 points in texas? serious question

[ScaringChildren]

do u think the dui is why a pro gun control liberal lost by less than 3 points in texas? serious question

Do you think that DUI caused him to lose?

He was so close, imagine if he didn't get that DUI?

[rollin5k]

Massive influx of democratic voters over thr past decade and voter fraud is why it was even close. Lol

[Irulan]

Having had hateful and ignorant family BETRAY me in favour of infowars politics, blatant lies, and the hatemongering that Trump deliberately fosters in order to weaken America for Putin's machinations, I'm never going to forgive you alt right who've mocked with memes and demanded at the cost of lives the supremacy of your "culture".

You are what is wrong with this country and your refusal to be civil has already set us on the inevitable path of bloodshed.

You are responsible.

[ScaringChildren]

Massive influx of democratic voters over thr past decade and voter fraud is why it was even close. Lol

The Dems also threw a ton of cash at him, and manufactured a lot of his support and popularity.

Making cringy "viral videos" like this to make it appear he was a grass roots candidate (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/10/22/betomania-watch-this-collection-of-cringeworthy-campaign-videos-made-by-beto-orourke-fans-n2530863)

Now the elites spent so much money on him, they have no choice but to run him in 2020 to see if they can recoup their investment.

So transparent. I'm surprised leftists are falling for it. I thought they were smarter.

[Irulan]

Townhall is a propaganda mill you dingus.

[ScaringChildren]

Having had hateful and ignorant family BETRAY me in favour of infowars politics, blatant lies, and the hatemongering that Trump deliberately fosters in order to weaken America for Putin's machinations, I'm never going to forgive you alt right who've mocked with memes and demanded at the cost of lives the supremacy of your "culture".

You are what is wrong with this country and your refusal to be civil has already set us on the inevitable path of bloodshed.

You are responsible.

Don't use your personal issues as an excuse to be hateful and bigoted towards another group that may not look or think like you.

[ScaringChildren]

Townhall is a propaganda mill you dingus.

Just like the pro-Beto videos they link to :)

[Irulan]

Anyway, Republicans could have saved this country, if they demanded an ounce of integrity from themselves.

But no, the clown circus meant to delegitimize our democracy has poisoned the well of libertarian capitalism forever. You are just as responsible for the molotov cocktails and mass riots that will ensue once people have had enough of your corrupt tyranny.

[America]

Not on speed dial. Just the Glorious internet blessings of the day.

You Trumpets are so deranged objective reality and self assessment is beyond you.

If vermin where lose in my grain, I'd put out some rat poison. You know what republirats do? They inhale their poison because it makes them feel good, it tastes good to them, so they swallow their tribal propaganda and tweets without care. You're inhaling your masters poison.

Demagogues aren't a reliable source of objective reality no matter how good their shit smells and tastes, no matter how superior and good and right it makes you feel.

The reality is your jimmies are so rustled you'd do anything to avoid apologizing and correcting the course of your party.

And for that, you can all go to hell.

actually i'm pretty sad with the state of culture and what my peers and countrymen are, and I've put my faith in God. the application of human intellect has made things better and they keep marching that way.

the only real threat is instantaneous momentum that destabilizes the economic machine which defends us from the retardation of the individual and pushes forward acceptance of our trannydom -- like the hysteria and violent hatred you swallow, and propagate here, all the time. like it or not, there is no way for you to come to the conclusion that i'm the political bad guy and you're the political good guy from the facts. all you can tell me is that because I don't pile kindling on brush fires that threaten all civilization in order to fight big bad Pence, I am a repugnant apathetic. you are a fanatic. and it's not good for you. you are tapping in to consensus hysteria to validate and feed your own personal rage problem.

i'm sorry your family are retards.

listen to some classical music with me, nerd

[ScaringChildren]

Anyway, Republicans could have saved this country, if they demanded an ounce of integrity from themselves.

But no, the clown circus meant to delegitimize our democracy has poisoned the well of libertarian capitalism forever. You are just as responsible for the molotov cocktails and mass riots that will ensue once people have had enough of your corrupt tyranny.

Democracy is only 'delegitimized' when you lose.

Democrats are such sore fucking losers.

Cry about it.

[clevergirl]

actually i'm pretty sad with the state of culture and what my peers and countrymen are, and I've put my faith in God. the application of human intellect has made things better and they keep marching that way.

the only real threat is instantaneous momentum that destabilizes the economic machine which defends us from the retardation of the individual and pushes forward acceptance of our trannydom -- like the hysteria and violent hatred you swallow, and propagate here, all the time. like it or not, there is no way for you to come to the conclusion that i'm the political bad guy and you're the political good guy from the facts. all you can tell me is that because I don't pile kindling on brush fires that threaten all civilization in order to fight big bad Pence, I am a repugnant apathetic. you are a fanatic. and it's not good for you. you are tapping in to consensus hysteria to validate and feed your own personal rage problem.

i'm sorry your family are retards.

listen to some classical music with me, nerd

You are correct.

Punching mick and pals is also just like punching a wall. My hands are getting hurt and callous and these assholes remain, the bedrock of which my rage flows from.

Ive been personally aggrieved so many times and held down and violated in powerlessness, all i know is my own absolute, unyielding, hatred.

[rollin5k]

When you guys going to realize no one gives a fuck what you look like. Especially conservatives in 2018

[ScaringChildren]

Punching mick and pals is also just like punching a wall.

https://imgur.com/3SXGa0g.gif

[Wonkie]

This is the person who is tasked with saving the Democratic party?? Yikes lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2xDm-Y4l_4)

idiotic post. courts aren't elected, she's talking about elections.

[ScaringChildren]

idiotic post. courts aren't elected, she's talking about elections.

You too?

There aren't three chambers of Congress.

There also isn't three chambers of Government.

[Wonkie]

You too?

There aren't three chambers of Congress.

There also isn't three chambers of Government.

the presidenct approves legislation. sounds like a chamber of government 2 me

[clevergirl]

When you guys going to realize no one gives a fuck what you look like. Especially conservatives in 2018

You have no fucking clue about me if this is what you think im upset about and you refuse to acknowledge the pain and psychological abuse inflicted by toxic masculinity and sexism.

I am the kindling, and I've been burning for decades. I joined the military with rage in my heart, and for the longest time I've been perfectly fine with the flames consuming us all.

This isn't your particular fault, and it is probably terribly awful for me to ask for compassion and mercy from the alt right, evangelical SJWs marching lockstep with me into infernal oblivion in their antipathy towards people different than themselves.

This is why I'm resigned to my rage. Regardless of the correctness and wisdom of big J and others.

[ScaringChildren]

the presidenct approves legislation. sounds like a chamber of government 2 me

There are THREE BRANCHES of the government.

The Executive.

The Legislative.

The Judicial.

She's a damn Congresswoman, for fuck sake.

[Wonkie]

There are THREE BRANCHES of the government.

The Executive.

The Legislative.

The Judicial.

She's a damn Congresswoman, for fuck sake.

she doesn't say branches tho.

get pedanted

[ScaringChildren]

she doesn't say branches tho.

get pedanted

Exactly, that's the point. She doesn't say it.

It's clear from this video and every other gaffe that she's had, that she has no idea what she's doing.

[Wonkie]

Exactly, that's the point. She doesn't say it.

It's clear from this video and every other gaffe that she's had, that she has no idea what she's doing.

?

[clevergirl]

Don't use your personal issues as an excuse to be hateful and bigoted towards another group that may not look or think like you.

Go fuck yourself for marginalizing me and using me as a scapegoat for your political hatred, ignorance and bigotry on the right.

Ive done previously here for years to engage you civilly, and educate you, but you come right back around and blame me for being truly fucking wounded.

If you here, i would crush your larynx in my jaws and watch you gurgle to death like a pathetic piece if shit.

[Wonkie]

she's a real maneater

[clevergirl]

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THE LEGENDARY BIRTHPLACE OF CABARET
WAR STORIES
The Problem With Trump and the Troops
The president loves the military’s pomp and power. But service and sacrifice make him uncomfortable.
By FRED KAPLAN

NOV 20, 201811:22 AM
Donald and Melania Trump visit Marines.
U.S. President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump listen to Marines while visiting Marine Barracks on Thursday in D.C.
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What is it with Trump and the troops?

His skipping out of the memorial for the American soldiers buried outside Paris on the centenary of World War I’s armistice, his no-show at Arlington Cemetery on Veterans Day, his failure to visit a single American war zone after almost two years in office—all reflect something strangely aloof about this president’s view of his most basic rituals and obligations as the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces. But what are the roots of this strangeness?

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A recent story in the New York Times cited an unnamed source suggesting that Trump hasn’t greeted the troops in battle because he doesn’t support the wars they’re fighting and thinks a visit would lend their mission legitimacy. But this makes no sense for at least two reasons. First, though Trump initially wanted to get out of the war in Afghanistan, he ultimately decided early this year to increase the number of troops there. Second, President Obama campaigned on withdrawing troops from Iraq—and did so, on schedule—but nonetheless paid them a visit less than three months into his first term. Similarly, Dwight Eisenhower ran in 1952 on a promise to end the war in Korea but visited the troops after winning the election as a prelude to withdrawal.

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Some see Trump’s laxity as another instance of his narcissism: if an event, trip, commitment, or policy can’t be seen as all about him, he’s not interested. And if he’s the object of criticism, he swings back, often wildly, regardless of the critic.

This explains his rant this week against retired Adm. William McRaven, the former commander of U.S. special operations forces and architect of the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, as a “Hillary Clinton fan” and “Obama backer” and, ipso facto, unworthy of respect. McRaven had criticized Trump for attacking the media and, before then, for revoking former CIA Director John Brennan’s security clearance. But this trait doesn’t explain his failure to visit troops, who would treat any president with respect and cheers, or to stand solemnly at a military cemetery, where he could wrap himself in past glories without protest.

Others wonder if he might be afraid to put himself in what might be harm’s way. Possibly, but security around a president in a war zone is massively tight; the chances of getting shot or blown up are probably lower than at many other sites where he might travel.


I think the real cause of his failure here runs deeper: It lies in a discomfort with the whole idea of service or sacrifice.

On an everyday level, he regards those who give something of themselves as chumps. Note his pride in evading taxes (“That makes me smart,” he bragged during one of the 2016 debates), his skirting of promises to make charitable donations and even his obligations to pay vendors in his various failed business projects.

But in extraordinary matters, specifically when people give their service and make sacrifices on his orders, as the men and women of the armed forces do routinely, his discomfort intensifies to nausea—he can’t face the connection to death and tragedy.

One time, early in his presidency, Trump made the journey to Dover Air Base to see a fallen warrior returned in his casket and to mourn with his family. In this case, the soldier was William “Ryan” Owens, who’d died in an ambush in Yemen, during the first military operation that Trump approved as president. Trump was rattled by the ceremony (by all accounts, they are always grimly overpowering affairs) and, according to Bob Woodward’s Fear, let it be known he would never come to Dover again. Subsequently, he blamed Owens’ death on the generals who’d planned the mission, ignoring the fact that he’d approved it.

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Trump says he’s done more for the troops than any president “in many, many years”—a claim he might believe, since he’s never studied the past. He tosses around references to “my military” and “my generals,” and arguably, he has a claim to the possessive, since he is their commander in chief. But such talk would seem less arrogant and pretentious if he displayed the slightest interest in what they do and how they are.

No president so devoted to the troops would have sent 5,200 of them to the Mexican border for the sole purpose of shoring up his party’s candidates for the midterms, a motive all too clearly confirmed when he stopped hyping the Central American migrant caravan as an “invasion” the day after and, a week hence, announced the mission would be ending, even as the migrants drew near.

Trump adores the pomp and circumstance of war’s vestiges. He craves a military parade and was crushed when the Pentagon told him the price tag for the parade he wanted to throw in downtown Washington would be too high even for his taste. He’d said the idea was to honor the troops, few of whom wanted it (they’re too busy for pageantry these days), though its real purpose—as was clear to the officers who’d rolled their eyes at the request—would have been to lavish garlands on himself as he stood on the dais, beaming, like the commissars on May Day in Red Square, as he inspected their ranks.

He knows nothing of war’s realities and, clearly, has no desire for enlightenment. Even a peripheral exposure might highlight his responsibility for what happens on the battlefields as well as the aftermath, and that would be unacceptable to a man who seems to treat his presidency as a big show judged by ratings, not consequences.

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[rollin5k]

Toxic masculinity and sexism aren't a problem right now. That's just made up mumbo jumbo to give you something to stand on when you yell and scream like a moron

[America]

Toxic masculinity and sexism aren't a problem right now. That's just made up mumbo jumbo to give you something to stand on when you yell and scream like a moron

nah they're real, partisan loser

[clevergirl]

The Problem With Trump and the Troops
The president loves the military’s pomp and power. But service and sacrifice make him uncomfortable.
By FRED KAPLAN

NOV 20, 201811:22 AM

What is it with Trump and the troops?

His skipping out of the memorial for the American soldiers buried outside Paris on the centenary of World War I’s armistice, his no-show at Arlington Cemetery on Veterans Day, his failure to visit a single American war zone after almost two years in office—all reflect something strangely aloof about this president’s view of his most basic rituals and obligations as the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces. But what are the roots of this strangeness?

A recent story in the New York Times cited an unnamed source suggesting that Trump hasn’t greeted the troops in battle because he doesn’t support the wars they’re fighting and thinks a visit would lend their mission legitimacy. But this makes no sense for at least two reasons. First, though Trump initially wanted to get out of the war in Afghanistan, he ultimately decided early this year to increase the number of troops there. Second, President Obama campaigned on withdrawing troops from Iraq—and did so, on schedule—but nonetheless paid them a visit less than three months into his first term. Similarly, Dwight Eisenhower ran in 1952 on a promise to end the war in Korea but visited the troops after winning the election as a prelude to withdrawal.

Some see Trump’s laxity as another instance of his narcissism: if an event, trip, commitment, or policy can’t be seen as all about him, he’s not interested. And if he’s the object of criticism, he swings back, often wildly, regardless of the critic.

This explains his rant this week against retired Adm. William McRaven, the former commander of U.S. special operations forces and architect of the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, as a “Hillary Clinton fan” and “Obama backer” and, ipso facto, unworthy of respect. McRaven had criticized Trump for attacking the media and, before then, for revoking former CIA Director John Brennan’s security clearance. But this trait doesn’t explain his failure to visit troops, who would treat any president with respect and cheers, or to stand solemnly at a military cemetery, where he could wrap himself in past glories without protest.

Others wonder if he might be afraid to put himself in what might be harm’s way. Possibly, but security around a president in a war zone is massively tight; the chances of getting shot or blown up are probably lower than at many other sites where he might travel.

I think the real cause of his failure here runs deeper: It lies in a discomfort with the whole idea of service or sacrifice.

On an everyday level, he regards those who give something of themselves as chumps. Note his pride in evading taxes (“That makes me smart,” he bragged during one of the 2016 debates), his skirting of promises to make charitable donations and even his obligations to pay vendors in his various failed business projects.

But in extraordinary matters, specifically when people give their service and make sacrifices on his orders, as the men and women of the armed forces do routinely, his discomfort intensifies to nausea—he can’t face the connection to death and tragedy.

One time, early in his presidency, Trump made the journey to Dover Air Base to see a fallen warrior returned in his casket and to mourn with his family. In this case, the soldier was William “Ryan” Owens, who’d died in an ambush in Yemen, during the first military operation that Trump approved as president. Trump was rattled by the ceremony (by all accounts, they are always grimly overpowering affairs) and, according to Bob Woodward’s Fear, let it be known he would never come to Dover again. Subsequently, he blamed Owens’ death on the generals who’d planned the mission, ignoring the fact that he’d approved it.

Trump says he’s done more for the troops than any president “in many, many years”—a claim he might believe, since he’s never studied the past. He tosses around references to “my military” and “my generals,” and arguably, he has a claim to the possessive, since he is their commander in chief. But such talk would seem less arrogant and pretentious if he displayed the slightest interest in what they do and how they are.

No president so devoted to the troops would have sent 5,200 of them to the Mexican border for the sole purpose of shoring up his party’s candidates for the midterms, a motive all too clearly confirmed when he stopped hyping the Central American migrant caravan as an “invasion” the day after and, a week hence, announced the mission would be ending, even as the migrants drew near.

Trump adores the pomp and circumstance of war’s vestiges. He craves a military parade and was crushed when the Pentagon told him the price tag for the parade he wanted to throw in downtown Washington would be too high even for his taste. He’d said the idea was to honor the troops, few of whom wanted it (they’re too busy for pageantry these days), though its real purpose—as was clear to the officers who’d rolled their eyes at the request—would have been to lavish garlands on himself as he stood on the dais, beaming, like the commissars on May Day in Red Square, as he inspected their ranks.

He knows nothing of war’s realities and, clearly, has no desire for enlightenment. Even a peripheral exposure might highlight his responsibility for what happens on the battlefields as well as the aftermath, and that would be unacceptable to a man who seems to treat his presidency as a big show judged by ratings, not consequences.

[rollin5k]

Prove they're real then, they are an abstract ideology. No basis in reality

[clevergirl]

Trump adores the pomp and circumstance of war’s vestiges. He craves a military parade and was crushed when the Pentagon told him the price tag for the parade he wanted to throw in downtown Washington would be too high even for his taste. He’d said the idea was to honor the troops, few of whom wanted it (they’re too busy for pageantry these days), though its real purpose—as was clear to the officers who’d rolled their eyes at the request—would have been to lavish garlands on himself as he stood on the dais, beaming, like the commissars on May Day in Red Square, as he inspected their ranks.

He knows nothing of war’s realities and, clearly, has no desire for enlightenment. Even a peripheral exposure might highlight his responsibility for what happens on the battlefields as well as the aftermath, and that would be unacceptable to a man who seems to treat his presidency as a big show judged by ratings, not consequences.

[rollin5k]

Cool opinion piece no one cares that you're a pussy

[America]

Prove they're real then, they are an abstract ideology. No basis in reality

that guy in the trans thread who keeps parroting "why u cut off ya dick lol!" is a manifestation of the toxic masculinity which permeates western manly culture. you can find some trace of the same force in pretty much every man. most of us trannies had to go to war with our own.

it's def real, lol, or do you assert that there's just no such thing as a dad making his son gut a deer while sobbing to prove he's a man? you're totally full of partisan talking-head shit if you can't concede the existence of something so basic and factual. human centipede ass N.

[clevergirl]

Cool opinion piece no one cares that you're a pussy

You think pussy is a derogatory term.

Also, do you want bloodshed? Because your responses are how you get bloodshed.

We've already decided I'm a violent threat to democracy. You're welcome to continue to escalate.

[rollin5k]

So essentially you don't like the way some people think. Ok cool same here but i don't need to soap box about how righteous i am

[America]

So essentially you don't like the way some people think. Ok cool same here but i don't need to soap box about how righteous i am

That's a goalpost move my friend. i never preached; u denied this force even exists. I was never wrong whereas U were, demonstrably.

ur trolling is weak. unfortunate that maerilith insists on validating it. butt she'll yell at anyone wearing a confederate shirt til her face turns blue. just cuz she yells at u dont make u no originalman.

i'm more man than youll ever be and more woman than youll ever get.

[clevergirl]

So essentially you don't like the way some people think. Ok cool same here but i don't need to soap box about how righteous i am

I don't think you're acting responsibly in good faith, politicaly.

Change my mind.

Protip, don't blame me or name call.

[rollin5k]

You both failed to prove its a real thing worthy of political injunction. You just told me about your feelers

[America]

You both failed to prove its a real thing worthy of political injunction. You just told me about your feelers

goalpost moove. not worthy of political injunction. economic pressure will continue to suppress it year over year. maer is just neurotic br0.

a minute ago we were debating whether it even exists, but i dunked that so hard that ur pulling these maneuvers now :o

next

[ScaringChildren]

Go fuck yourself for marginalizing me and using me as a scapegoat for your political hatred, ignorance and bigotry on the right.

Ive done previously here for years to engage you civilly, and educate you, but you come right back around and blame me for being truly fucking wounded.

If you here, i would crush your larynx in my jaws and watch you gurgle to death like a pathetic piece if shit.

Germany thought it was marginalized back in the 1930s.

They used their victimhood as an excuse to gas millions of those they felt did them wrong.

They probably crushed a few larynxes (laryni?) as well.

Again, please don't use your perceived oppression as an excuse to exercise bigotry against a group of people who are different than you.

You really could benefit from being more tolerant and embrace diversity.

[clevergirl]

You both failed to prove its a real thing worthy of political injunction. You just told me about your feelers

President Trump's underhanded increase in the # of deployed troops while promising and claiming the opposite and simultaneous dog wagging with a military parade for self aggrandizement whilst you ignore the facts because im a pussy and you're a real man, who can do no wrong, such as Trump himself, is a real world example.

People are getting killed and going to die, and you're incapable of taking any responsibility for your sides excaserbation of this political climate which is enabling the slaughter of soldiers and civilians alike.

Protip, I personally know what happens to young males in this country, especially those who don the uniform through 1st hand experience.

It would be remise of me to not speak up and demonstrate my anger, hurt, frustration, against the immorality of our national leadership.

This isn't about me though.

[America]

wish there were a real man in here willing to get intimate thru some disingenuous, emotionally manipulative debate rhetoric. yall are not very generous lovers.

[clevergirl]

wish there were a real man in here willing to get intimate thru some disingenuous, emotionally manipulative debate rhetoric. yall are not very generous lovers.

Im a broken toy. Sorry.

[ScaringChildren]

wish there were a real man in here willing to get intimate thru some disingenuous, emotionally manipulative debate rhetoric. yall are not very generous lovers.

just how insecure do you think we are lol

[rollin5k]

So toxic masculinity is causing us to protect our borders, ok me likey then. Carry on

[ScaringChildren]

'Toxic Masculinity' is just a dog whistle for 'kill all men'

[clevergirl]

So toxic masculinity is causing us to protect our borders, ok me likey then. Carry on

You're impossible for me to get through to. Or simply refuse to accept reality. I can dictate the latter, it is however meaningless in this environment where you have a public audience and a Male ego to bruise.

[America]

just how insecure do you think we are lol

you want to smash but yet u won't fuck me using the vector i consent to. i daresay u can't

your admiration is impotent

[rollin5k]

I do totally refuse your molded and counterintuitive fake reality. You're going to need solid proof to convince me that toxic masculinity is a serious problem in mericur

[ScaringChildren]

you want to smash but yet u won't fuck me using the vector i consent to. i daresay u can't

your admiration is impotent

you sure did misread me then. Badly.

[clevergirl]

I do totally refuse your molded and counterintuitive fake reality. You're going to need solid proof to convince me that toxic masculinity is a serious problem in mericur

Look at the Male suicide rate and methods.

[ScaringChildren]

Look at the Male suicide rate and methods.

Do you really want to talk about suicide rates?

[rollin5k]

Yes they are bad it's time to stand up for men and stop trying to bring them down. Stop being weak and catering to the leftist narrative that the men who built this country are the enemy

[America]

you sure did misread me then. Badly.

nice try!

that's a broad attack surface for me. plz dont be mean here ^^

[ScaringChildren]

nice try!

okay :rolleyes:

[clevergirl]

Do you really want to talk about suicide rates?

Again i have 1st hand experience. It's not because of an oppressive matriarchy. The demographics alone point towards the mismanagement of our society by it's own foundational father figures. We don't treat men with respect or compassion and we expect them to conform to a cold straight dispassionate heternormative violent authoritarian stereotype for starters. So much that we condone bullying and violent behavior among male children and peergroups. Sometimes even considering it necessary to "make a real man who can defend themselves"

Im telling you right now, abusive tough guy behavior is a leading problem, contributing to mental illness and criminality.

Change my mind.

[Wonkie]

i wanted to say goalposts today :mad:

[clevergirl]

i wanted to say goalposts today :mad:

Who goalposted the best and is "winning so hard we can't stand it anymore", though?

[America]

i wanted to say goalposts today :mad:

i already made your goal post

[clevergirl]

We go so far as to reinforce these violent male archetypes through virtually all of our games and multimedia.

The desensitization and psychological damage this causes takes a horrific toll on sensitive compassionate children.

Change my mind.

[ScaringChildren]

It's not because of an oppressive matriarchy.

Yep, has nothing to do with women wanting a real man.

Tough shit, if you want to get laid, you straighten yourself up.

You don't whine about it. Just fucking do it.

Life is hard for everyone. Be happy you don't have cancer.

Men don't have support groups, we don't have Men Marches.

We just carry the rest of society on our backs.

Get mad.

[rollin5k]

I'd actually agree with that last one, humans and violent fake realities are not good, doesn't have much to do with toxic masculinity but whatever

[ScaringChildren]

We go so far as to reinforce these violent male archetypes through virtually all of our games and multimedia.

The desensitization and psychological damage this causes takes a horrific toll on sensitive compassionate children.

Change my mind.

We need violent people.

You're too sheltered.

You were in the military, you should know this already.

[clevergirl]

Yep, has nothing to do with women wanting a real man.

Tough shit, if you want to get laid, you straighten yourself up.

You don't whine about it. Just fucking do it.

Life is hard for everyone. Be happy you don't have cancer.

Men don't have support groups, we don't have Men Marches.

We just carry the rest of society on our backs.

Get mad.

Maybe you need some hugs, and support groups, and a more creative outlet for this embittered resignation towards how you should suffer for the greater good.

Im bordering dangerously close to actual compassion for you. Im so sorry.

[America]

men dont need compassion they need a cold beer and a flat tummy for a pillow

[America]

I for one love doing it and it doesn't make me feel particularly masc. In fact I think my voice lilts up while I do.

[rollin5k]

So if you mean masculinity when you say toxic masculinity i would say it's a necessity for our civilization to have masculinity

[clevergirl]

We need violent people.

You're too sheltered.

You were in the military, you should know this already.
Should men unilaterally shoulder this burden? Should we give people a choice and attempt to avoid pressuring those not fit for a martial lifestyle into thinking they are lesser for not attaining the penultimate definition of manhood? Protector of the tribe, the man between the women and the philistine hoards?

I not so subtly made a reference to hadrian's wall not so long ago.

You are more wrapped up in your partisan grandstanding though to step back and see the big picture.

Just as BigJ emplored me to cool my jets with my dogged political resentment, perhaps, I'm not the only one, or the primary cause or the real enemy.

Yes, im very angry at you, personally, for what we've fought over here. Because, for me,this is personal, and life, and death.

[misterbonkers]

Is crushing larynx's a feminine thing?

you've never imagined a woman in nice heels standing on your throat? coward

[ScaringChildren]

Should men unilaterally shoulder this burden? Should we give people a choice and attempt to avoid pressuring those not fit for a martial lifestyle into thinking they are lesser for not attaining the penultimate definition of manhood? Protector of the tribe, the man between the women and the philistine hoards?

I not so subtly made a reference to hadrian's wall not so long ago.

You are more wrapped up in your partisan grandstanding though to step back and see the big picture.

Just as BigJ emplored me to cool my jets with my dogged political resentment, perhaps, I'm not the only one, or the primary cause or the real enemy.

Yes, im very angry at you, personally, for what we've fought over here. Because, for me,this is personal, and life, and death.

Well you threatened to crush my larynx, so it's a matter of life and death for me too. You're not the only one with problems.

I'm totally fine with women being violent when we need someone to be. I encourage it. Women often bring a different toolkit to the table that men just do not have. Women are great spies. They're easier to disguise due to their bone structure, they're usually less threatening, etc.

Men have just assumed this role for thousands of years. It's hard to reverse evolution.

[ScaringChildren]

you've never imagined a woman in nice heels standing on your throat? coward

you're one of those dudes that get off on a woman kicking you in the balls, aren't you.

not surprised

[America]

i think he's more into like slow, deliberate escalating sensations than wild kicks. like crushing, neck compression, impacts that slowly sum to a loud signal etc. but that's mostly speculation.

[clevergirl]

You wouldn't see it coming if i never shared a picture with you.

You probably still wouldn't.

Don't beg the question out of pride.

[clevergirl]

Look, im not claiming all masculine behavior is bad. Just consider what should and shouldn't be considered acceptable and edit with moderation and don't force people to "man up" or "be men". Telling someone whose been hurt and violated by their peers to suck it up and get meaner and stronger doesn't create good men or soldiers. Doesn't promote a strong functional civil society.

[misterbonkers]

i think he's more into like slow, deliberate escalating sensations than wild kicks. like crushing, neck compression, impacts that slowly sum to a loud signal etc. but that's mostly speculation.

edging closer and closer to the truth

[rollin5k]

I agree and i think you think Trump is encouraging that but he isn't explicitly doing that . You trippin

[clevergirl]

I agree and i think you think Trump is encouraging that but he isn't explicitly doing that . You trippin

I agree. For me, and I think many other individuals, Trump is genuinely triggering. For differing individual reasons.

Though, I be trippin, it's not entirely in bad faith.

I want to be a better person most of the time when it comes down to brass tacks. I also want this country to be the best, a shining example of liberty, justice, and freedom. That's genuine. I disagree with many groups who would claim I'm not, just because of a single aspect of my individuality. Whether that be my race, religion, political party, sex, or something else we tend to use to segregate ourselves into discreet groups.

[ScaringChildren]

Google exec wants to slow down the Internet to fight Trump (https://www.vox.com/technology/2018/11/19/18101274/google-alphabet-facebook-twitter-addiction-speed)

[mickmoranis]

Google exec wants to slow down the Internet to fight Trump (https://www.vox.com/technology/2018/11/19/18101274/google-alphabet-facebook-twitter-addiction-speed)

I would go just an inch further and say reduce the world population by like about 75%

[mickmoranis]

Well here we go again.

Thread will make it to 2,500 pages and then suddenly Mr. Psycho pants is going to disappear along with 500 pages from this freaking thread.

[clevergirl]

Should I smash laryni or what? Im willing to take a vote.