******Official politics thread ******

[Ahldagor]

Sweden, Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland and Malta are the only EU states which are not also NATO members. EU buys a lot of gas from Russia, and Turkmenistan has a lot for cheap; but Russia and Iran are blocking a trans-Caspian Sea pipeline. Cross the Caspian Sea, connect to Georgia (another Russian prize), and connect to Europe.

Notice where Crimea is on this map of oil and gas pipelines?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Caspian_Gas_Pipeline#/media/File:Oil_pipelines_in_Europe.png

Russia needs more than Crimea to be set up strategically enough to defend the full onslaught of NATO, nukes or not. Besides, there's no reason to use nukes since it destroys resources which a victor could use in the future. Not to mention how internationally tied the largest businesses in the world are now, and Russia and the US are damn near corporatocracies.

[Nilstoniakrath]

I'm always concerned about what's going on in "our" "gods" "house" the planet. Because we all have to live and work in this shit, and shit outside in the street tends to flow into "our" fucking houses. It's a dumbass mentality to point out Nilst. You can either not give a shit, or you can consider that things are more complex. No one wants to make you give a shit, but you should leave the important organic excrements to the adults and the honey bees rather than screaming "LIBTURD".

Wow, for a second I almost felt bad. Then I remembered that liberals don't give a flying F about Russia (recall Odumbass mocking Romney about the 80's wanting their foreign policy back?) Until Russia steals their playbook and manipulates media coverage to make liberals look bad. Then, we are suddenly supposed to be outraged? Sorry, I ain't drinking that coolaid. So, Libturds it is.

[AzzarTheGod]

Wow, for a second I almost felt bad. Then I remembered that liberals don't give a flying F about Russia (recall Odumbass mocking Romney about the 80's wanting their foreign policy back?) Until Russia steals their playbook and manipulates media coverage to make liberals look bad. Then, we are suddenly supposed to be outraged? Sorry, I ain't drinking that coolaid. So, Libturds it is.


This guy was a low key beast nobody realized what they were dealing w/

[Lune]

This guy was a low key beast nobody realized what they were dealing w/

He's just mad Russia knew Trump was the greatest threat to the integrity of US politics and mounted one of the most successful covert political interventions between two rival nations in history.

The election was close enough that the material supplied by Russian hackers probably tipped the scale.

[AzzarTheGod]

He's just mad Russia knew Trump was the greatest threat to the integrity of US politics and mounted one of the most successful covert political interventions between two rival nations in history.

The election was close enough that the material supplied by Russian hackers probably tipped the scale.

Probably. With a little help from the FBI

Comey issued a slew of warrants for Huma n Weiner at a very critical time when people were just about over the whole criminal Hillary email thing.

They were also threatening the Clinton Foundation (rightfully so) and were able to keep that one very quiet

[bigjerry]

this thread hella gay ppl engaging lune with big ole paragraphs pokesan making seriousposts fuck is going wrong with yall retards

[bigjerry]

^https://i.imgur.com/CYuROdR.png weird its almost like its a real thing lol

[AzzarTheGod]

this thread hella gay ppl engaging lune with big ole paragraphs pokesan making seriousposts fuck is going wrong with yall retards

man who keepin it tru n who aint

[maskedmelon]

sorry, I will do my best to be less gay.

[Pokesan]

this thread hella gay ppl engaging lune with big ole paragraphs pokesan making seriousposts fuck is going wrong with yall retards

im glad you appreciate the sincerity of my enthusiasm for ss-18 satan(may his passing cleanse the earth)

[bigjerry]

im glad you appreciate the sincerity of my enthusiasm for ss-18 satan(may his passing cleanse the earth)

mad

[Pokesan]

mad

your hard time has made you paranoid i mean every word

[bigjerry]

my mind is fascinating u guys should discuss and analyze it more

[Pokesan]

happy anniversary yall

[Nilstoniakrath]

my mind is fascinating u guys should discuss and analyze it more

It is small and underutilized, just like your stick.

[Jarnauga]

to clarify about what i said about ukraine: i'm also mad at obama, and just as mad at EU for that. i was talking as the US as a state, whatev.

MaskedMelon: Crimea is russia as much as texas is mexico

[maskedmelon]

how come Mexico ain't tried to take it back if it theirs? ^o^ maybe you right though, someone better call the Ottomans and let them know Russia snatched back they peninsula. I'm sure they be most displeased and will want it back. ^^

also, my name all lowecase ^^ ty for being polite, but there are no caps in my name :3

[bigjerry]

It is small and underutilized, just like your stick.

its a funny post tho cuz my sticc is thicc and oft presented 2 chiccs

can we stop talking about homosexual things and talk more about me please? thread is getting stale

[Lune]

how come Mexico ain't tried to take it back if it theirs?

They have

http://i.imgur.com/UjsckcH.jpg

[maskedmelon]

They have

http://i.imgur.com/UjsckcH.jpg

i concede ^^

[JurisDictum]

The second time Putin got elected was due to pandering to the rural and less-developed areas of Russia. Conservatives don't realize what the like about Putin is the pro-rural propaganda and image he came up with. Particularly the part about "Russia first."

Conservatives in this country were fed a healthy diet of anti-Obama propaganda that convinced them all he was weak on foreign policy. Obama was full of contradictions and confused on FP (partly because Americans in general were)...but why specifically describe it over and over as weak?

Because macho-white-male-idiots like the word weak and it effectively mislead them into assuming its all about Obama not using the military enough. Which is ridicules because Obama loved using the military and didn't really cut defense. He was about as hard line as you could get without starting a new war (or three).

But this wasn't about reality -- it was about rhetoric. Obama is weak and naive -- like all Democrats. We need a big strong Republican like Trump who is not afraid to use the military to intimidate foreign leaders (like Putin) right? Except for that's pretty much the opposite of what's going on, isn't it? If you wanted someone to put foreign leaders in their place in a hard core American Imperialist sort of way -- you couldn't really have done better than Hilary Clinton. She certainly scared the shit out of Putin.

Putin is popular because Republicans and right-leaning Americans are way more susceptible to propaganda then they would like to think. They fancy themselves free thinkers because whatever bullshit AM radio/Info Wars style source they listen to tells them that they are free thinkers unlike those hive minded "Liberals."

Ironically of course, Putin is behind a lot of the news they are listening to. You know -- the old soviet spy guy that lamented the fall of communism. Yea you guys are real free in your thinking aren't you?

[Lune]

The second time Putin got elected was due to pandering to the rural and less-developed areas of Russia. Conservatives don't realize what the like about Putin is the pro-rural propaganda and image he came up with. Particularly the part about "Russia first."

Conservatives in this country were fed a healthy diet of anti-Obama propaganda that convinced them all he was weak on foreign policy. Obama was full of contradictions and confused on FP (partly because Americans in general were)...but why specifically describe it over and over as weak?

Because macho-white-male-idiots like the word weak and it effectively mislead them into assuming its all about Obama not using the military enough. Which is ridicules because Obama loved using the military and didn't really cut defense. He was about as hard line as you could get without starting a new war (or three).

But this wasn't about reality -- it was about rhetoric. Obama is weak and naive -- like all Democrats. We need a big strong Republican like Trump who is not afraid to use the military to intimidate foreign leaders (like Putin) right? Except for that's pretty much the opposite of what's going on, isn't it? If you wanted someone to put foreign leaders in their place in a hard core American Imperialist sort of way -- you couldn't really have done better than Hilary Clinton. She certainly scared the shit out of Putin.

Putin is popular because Republicans and right-leaning Americans are way more susceptible to propaganda then they would like to think. They fancy themselves free thinkers because whatever bullshit AM radio/Info Wars style source they listen to tells them that they are free thinkers unlike those hive minded "Liberals."

Ironically of course, Putin is behind a lot of the news they are listening to. You know -- the old soviet spy guy that lamented the fall of communism. Yea you guys are real free in your thinking aren't you?

http://i.imgur.com/UJRhUxr.jpg

[Jarnauga]

They have

http://i.imgur.com/UjsckcH.jpg

"they all speak spanish anyway, they're mexican"

[Lune]

Fun Fact: Conservatives are Obese

http://i.imgur.com/NUBaebN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c2ZPxOp.png

It's time for a fat tax. I'm sick of fat rednecks driving up my health insurance premiums with their diabetes.

[Patriam1066]

http://stateofobesity.org/disparities/

[maskedmelon]

Fun Fact: Conservatives are Obese

http://i.imgur.com/NUBaebN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c2ZPxOp.png

It's time for a fat tax. I'm sick of fat rednecks driving up my health insurance premiums with their diabetes.

this a good proposal. let's get this and parent licensing done then we can return to arguing about sex, fetuses and firearms.

[Lune]

http://stateofobesity.org/disparities/

Sorry, 13% of the population divided between North South and West don't skew it that much being only ~15% fatter than whites.

Elementary statistics.

[Patriam1066]

Yes, Mississippi and Alabama are white

[Lune]

Yes, Mississippi and Alabama are white

Mississippi and Alabama are 1/3 and 1/4 black respectively. So yea, I'd say they are mostly white.

Virginia is 20% black as well. It's almost as if the black population isn't fatter than the white population in a dramatic enough manner to make up for the fact that nationwide they are only 13% of the population.

[Patriam1066]

Mississippi and Alabama are 1/3 and 1/4 black respectively. So yea, I'd say they are mostly white.

Virginia is 20% black as well. It's almost as if the black population isn't fatter than the white population in a dramatic enough manner to make up for the fact that nationwide they are only 13% of the population.

You'd need to find statistics for "rednecks" to prove your point. Utah is the healthiest state in the union and overwhelmingly white and republican

Here's some more useful info for who is costing me more in healthcare. I say me since I'm confident you're in grad school and have never worked a day in your life

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/statistics/

[Lune]

You'd need to find statistics for "rednecks" to prove your point. Utah is the healthiest state in the union and overwhelmingly white and republican

Here's some more useful info for who is costing me more in healthcare. I say me since I'm confident you're in grad school and have never worked a day in your life

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/statistics/

Yea if you ran a multivariate statistical analysis comparing political affiliation to obesity you'd probably find little to no correlation. My two maps weren't meant to be that rigorous, but i do think it plays to people's prejudices about the South and Midwest vs. New England and the West. Which of those regions do you think is fatter and more conservative?

I'm assuming this is what you're referring to:

http://i.imgur.com/I6eIoGk.jpg

As you continually try to pin obesity-related health costs on minorities, let me again remind you that Native Americans are an absolutely minuscule segment of the population. Blacks and Hispanics, while having twice the rate of diabetes (some of which is genetic), are not even half the population of whites (13% and 17% respectively).

So at the end of the day, fat white people with fat-related diabetes are costing me more in healthcare. Blacks and Hispanics are costing me proportionately more, but you can write off some of that due to poverty, genetic predisposition, and good old fashioned racial prejudice.

And I guess people who go to grad school don't work hard?? lol

[AzzarTheGod]

its a funny post tho cuz my sticc is thicc and oft presented 2 chiccs

can we stop talking about homosexual things and talk more about me please? thread is getting stale

in a recharge state to convalesce.

24/7 adrenaline rushes and heated discussions/debates/arguments have left me with nothing for P99. ive been beefing while eating dinner, beefing while going to bed, and beefing while waking up. 24/7 streetnam chiraq steez...real street shiz

time 2 lay around, do nothing and not speak to anyone for a week (bars???) then imma be back to clobber these snakes n kite wit a couple of these boppas ya herd me

ill have one eye on Lune during this time

[JurisDictum]

Chris Christie thinks smoking pot is unhealthy and shouldn't be legal

8400

[Lune]

Don't worry when we pass the fat tax we won't discriminate based on race, gender, or political affiliation. The fatter you are the more you pay, that's that. Unless you get a doctor's note that says you're fat because of a thyroid problem or because the white man took your land and forced you onto a reservation.

[Patriam1066]

Yea if you ran a multivariate statistical analysis comparing political affiliation to obesity you'd probably find little to no correlation. My two maps weren't meant to be that rigorous, but i do think it plays to people's prejudices about the South and Midwest vs. New England and the West. Which of those regions do you think is fatter and more conservative?

I'm assuming this is what you're referring to:

http://i.imgur.com/I6eIoGk.jpg

As you continually try to pin obesity-related health costs on minorities, let me again remind you that Native Americans are an absolutely minuscule segment of the population. Blacks and Hispanics, while having twice the rate of diabetes (some of which is genetic), are not even half the population of whites (13% and 17% respectively).

So at the end of the day, fat white people with fat-related diabetes are costing me more in healthcare. Blacks and Hispanics are costing me proportionately more, but you can write off some of that due to poverty, genetic predisposition, and good old fashioned racial prejudice.

And I guess people who go to grad school don't work hard?? lol

If you're making value judgments about people (as you do with drug addicts, rednecks, etc) why can't I point out uncomfortable statistics?

Grad school is great bud, but for a group that whines and complains 24/7 you sure don't seem to understand actual privilege (hint: you have it and those rednecks don't)

Yalls condescension is why I vote republican. I agree with fewer and fewer republican positions but liberals are overeducated underemployed moral busy bodies who prefer Syrian refugees to whites in the flyover states. You made a joke about Mexicans and jarnauga got offended. Perfect example of liberals. You're just humorless people and yeah, not very tolerant at all

[Patriam1066]

Chris Christie thinks smoking pot is unhealthy and shouldn't be legal

8400

LOL

Just FYI I'm onboard with the fat tax I just have a reflexive hatred for liberals

[Lune]

If you're making value judgments about people (as you do with drug addicts, rednecks, etc) why can't I point out uncomfortable statistics?

Grad school is great bud, but for a group that whines and complains 24/7 you sure don't seem to understand actual privilege (hint: you have it and those rednecks don't)

Last I checked I'm the one advocating for socialist institutions designed to provide equality of opportunity to those who don't have the privileges I had, instead of trusting the free market to take care of the strong and punish the weak.

liberals are overeducated underemployed moral busy bodies who prefer Syrian refugees to whites in the flyover states. You made a joke about Mexicans and jarnauga got offended. Perfect example of liberals. You're just humorless people and yeah, not very tolerant at all

All valid criticisms of mainstream American liberalism except the humorless part. Literally 95%+ of all comedians, comedic writers, humorists, or people who have ever told a joke for money are liberal or at least moderate. Y'all got Jeff Foxworthy and Ron White I'll give you that.

[Jarnauga]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_drinks_tax#France

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/france-enacts-ban-unlimited-soda-drinks/

;)

inb4 hurr communism prevents me the freedom to get fat durr like some retard posted once here

[AzzarTheGod]

Don't worry when we pass the fat tax we won't discriminate based on race, gender, or political affiliation. The fatter you are the more you pay, that's that. Unless you get a doctor's note that says you're fat because of a thyroid problem or because the white man took your land and forced you onto a reservation.

was hoping 4 a cabinet for chris christie to give trump some competition on the golf course

[bigjerry]

in a recharge state to convalesce.

24/7 adrenaline rushes and heated discussions/debates/arguments have left me with nothing for P99. ive been beefing while eating dinner, beefing while going to bed, and beefing while waking up. 24/7 streetnam chiraq steez...real street shiz

time 2 lay around, do nothing and not speak to anyone for a week (bars???) then imma be back to clobber these snakes n kite wit a couple of these boppas ya herd me

ill have one eye on Lune during this time

i feel u uncle locc just stay in touch. u don't want the streets lookin alien when u return dig it. u dont gotta vest up u can just play the hype man if u want. these lands need wisdum just look at this thread, ppl talking to lune making serious arguments like trump didn't already win. its a dark time for our forums buddy

[Nilstoniakrath]

Fun Fact: Conservatives are Obese

http://i.imgur.com/NUBaebN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c2ZPxOp.png

It's time for a fat tax. I'm sick of fat rednecks driving up my health insurance premiums with their diabetes.

How about a fat between the ears tax, I am tired of paying for dumbass libturd social programs that do nothing but line the pockets of corrupt politicians and soothe the guilt of moronic progressives

[bigjerry]

euthanize sub 90 IQs. just keep doin it as the curve changes until we got 200 million left like bill gates says

[Pokesan]

then build the lune socialist monolith state to manage the remainder. satanic dominion is inevitable anyway lol, it's not like boiling anyone who participates in centralized gathering of mass data of the entire world in hot excrement and drowning their families in vats of fire ants on television is an option or anything. so i might as well be commissar of underage boipucci distribution when it arrives (ill definitely survive the intellect purges since i have a 160iq according to online tests).

r/iamverysmart

[bigjerry]

r/iamverysmart

yo delete this post i am hammering the edit button hard bro

[Pokesan]

yo delete this post i am hammering the edit button hard bro

sounds like INTJ behavior

[Lune]

How about a fat between the ears tax, I am tired of paying for dumbass libturd social programs that do nothing but line the pockets of corrupt politicians and soothe the guilt of moronic progressives

Confirmed obese. I'm tired of your insulin shots spiking my insurance premiums.

euthanize sub 90 IQs. just keep doin it as the curve changes until we got 200 million left like bill gates says then build the lune socialist monolith state to manage the remainder. satanic dominion is inevitable anyway lol, it's not like boiling anyone who participates in centralized gathering of mass data of the entire world in hot excrement and drowning their families in vats of fire ants on television is an option or anything. so i might as well be commissar of underage boipucci distribution when it arrives (ill definitely survive the intellect purges since i have a 160iq according to online tests).

http://i.imgur.com/Rj4FFPy.gif

[Lune]

sounds like INTJ behavior

I am an INTP which is a mild form of retardation but my best friend is an ISTJ. He is the anchor that gives my spirit license to soar.

[bigjerry]

i zoned out all this which hogwarts house do you belong to test stuff in skool so badly that i cant tell whether yall are makin jokes or what

[Lune]

i zoned out all this which hogwarts house do you belong to test stuff in skool so badly that i cant tell whether yall are makin jokes or what

Im a Slytherin

[AzzarTheGod]

I am an INTP which is a mild form of retardation but my best friend is an ISTJ. He is the anchor that gives my spirit license to soar.

u wot m8

[Pokesan]

bernie biden would have won (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/former-vp-biden-bats-away-trumps-wiretap-claim-are-you-joking.html)

After defending the Affordable Care Act outside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, the former vice president was asked whether the Obama administration tapped the phones in Trump Tower before the 2016 election.

"Five or six times," Biden said in a deadpan joke, according to NBC News.

"Are you joking? Are you serious?" Biden then said, according to NBC. He added that "any gentleman" would apologize to former President Barack Obama after making that charge.

[bigjerry]

there r people who are skeptical of any surveillance claim in 2017? like any billionaire within the united states isn't being surveiled by the e-branch 24 hours a day in his place of business? like you could argue obama didn't personally order it but it is being done nominally under his authority and he shonuff didn't go out of his way to stop it sooo...

the level of unwoke to news cycles in 2017 hurts my fucking head. people are still in pre iran contra headspace like 100 years later. lol how could a microwave spy on a person, that's funny right my fellow peasants? rich people don't have microwaves with microphones no such thing exists cuz you've never seen it in walmart. they treat us like retards who deserve death b/c that's wut we are. we need them we deserve this

[Pokesan]

there r people who are skeptical of any surveillance claim in 2017? like any billionaire within the united states isn't being surveiled by the e-branch 24 hours a day in his place of business? like you could argue obama didn't personally order it but it is being done nominally under his authority and he shonuff didn't go out of his way to stop it sooo...

the level of unwoke to news cycles in 2017 hurts my fucking head. people are still in pre iran contra headspace like 100 years later. lol how could a microwave spy on a person, that's funny right my fellow peasants? rich people don't have microwaves with microphones no such thing exists cuz you've never seen it in walmart. they treat us like retards who deserve death b/c that's wut we are. we need them we deserve this

let's hold mr trump responsible for every currency misprint, muffin budget overrun, and hell, the personal conduct of every federal employee. the buck has to stop somewhere.

idiot.

[bigjerry]

let's hold mr trump responsible for every currency misprint, muffin budget overrun, and hell, the personal conduct of every federal employee. the buck has to stop somewhere.

idiot.

nice bait but Im not buyin it

[bigjerry]

MSG is over-stigmatized. it's perhaps the most nutritionally harmless source of umami.

[maskedmelon]

So who the fuck are the morons? You tell me?

a better question might be, "who the fuck is not a moron?" the natural state of man is one of exceptional idiocy. even a keen intellect is seldom sufficient to free a mind of the ideological bonds it has surrendered to.

[bigjerry]

dam the numbers got scrambled in my head and I thought I was bout to get post #1488 itt

[Lune]

there r people who are skeptical of any surveillance claim in 2017? like any billionaire within the united states isn't being surveiled by the e-branch 24 hours a day in his place of business? like you could argue obama didn't personally order it but it is being done nominally under his authority and he shonuff didn't go out of his way to stop it sooo...

the level of unwoke to news cycles in 2017 hurts my fucking head. people are still in pre iran contra headspace like 100 years later. lol how could a microwave spy on a person, that's funny right my fellow peasants? rich people don't have microwaves with microphones no such thing exists cuz you've never seen it in walmart. they treat us like retards who deserve death b/c that's wut we are. we need them we deserve this

That's not what Trump said though. He said wiretaps, like it's the 1960's and the CIA hasn't been infiltrated by lizard people from Tau Ceti Prime yet. And he has no evidence.

I don't think he's wrong; someone somewhere was probably listening to his phone. But that's probably just a coincidence. Wouldn't be the first time he said something idiotic and baseless, specifically the part about Obama ordering it.

[bigjerry]

That's not what Trump said though. He said wiretaps, like it's the 1960's and the CIA hasn't been infiltrated by lizard people from Tau Ceti Prime yet. And he has no evidence.

I don't think he's wrong; someone somewhere was probably listening to his phone. But that's probably just a coincidence. Wouldn't be the first time he said something idiotic and baseless, specifically the part about Obama ordering it.

if it is idiotic to suppose the president runs the intelligence agencies supposedly under e-branch purview (and it is) does this not make a 4d chess argument for debeaking said agencies?

the haters still got nuthin. even his obesity makes him look like a cool character from a gangster movie. im down with my President, how about you traitors?

[Lune]

im down with my President, how about you traitors?

You've made an official Trump-supporter this is what he actually means when he says X...™ post, congratulations. That's not very avant-garde of you-- how are you going to remain a trailblazing contrarian going forward?

I sincerely hope someday we get this guy in court or congressional testimony, where your words actually mean what they mean and you are held accountable to them. Kind of like how the judge who smashed apart his second Muslim ban referred specifically to his campaign rhetoric about "Muslim ban" to dig up some intent. Gave me a boner.

[maskedmelon]

There is an objectively best ideology for humanity. It is the one which best allows humanity to thrive. That ideology also enjoys ethical supremacy because it maximizes utility of the human condition. Ethics in the absence of reason is misguided at best and malicious at worst.

[bigjerry]

im like neo in that scene in matrix 2 where he pulls the signpost + concrete out of the ground and smashes like 70 agents ITT right now

sorry for doing tortured apologetics for the only even remotely believable president in 50 yrs. we can pray we pass thru the eye of the needle or go Lune and just raise our sails and let the wind blow us to Stalin 2: Even Jewisher Boogaloo. up 2 u

[Lune]

Actually hoping the wind blows us to first-world style socialist nanny state but don't worry equating that with Soviet-style autocratic klepto-communism is a common mistake made by even your most generic conservative.

It's funny too because there's nothing the Jewish shadow army hates more than giving labor power. Bad for profits and mind-control.

[bigjerry]

Actually hoping the wind blows us to first-world style socialist nanny state but don't worry equating that with Soviet-style autocratic klepto-communism is a common mistake made by even your most generic conservative.

It's funny too because there's nothing the Jewish shadow army hates more than giving labor power. Bad for profits and mind-control.

ur government literally prohibits drugs so it can sell them at a giant markup to citizens to fund itself & u wanna feed it more authority assuming it's benevolent. your gay

[bigjerry]

^mad

[Lune]

^ At this point this is all I can see homie no joke this is what my screen looks like

http://i.imgur.com/oES50GB.jpg

[maskedmelon]

I follow your logic. In essence.

My only question is, is that ideology singularly the best always, or does it from time to time need some evolution?

The common person doesn't/should not have to concern themselves with such things, as that is the purview of rulers and thinkers. I believe that whatever ideology that serves us best does not give credence to the moronic ideologies of the bigJs and is unaffected and unassailable.

no, it wouldnt change or evolve. necessary action may vary wildly overtime and for that reason, the ideology that not proscribe specific action. in essence it ought not be any more specific than I have defined it. the best action is the policy is the policy which maximizes the elevation and advancement of humanity, that is necessarily the action which fosters the greatest long term benefit, because the future is infinite, the past is null and the present is fleeting.

a free society does promote intelligence so long as individuals are free to fail and his fellows decline to subsidize his failure. by the same token, exceptional individuals must be sufficiently throttled to avoid their dominance from stifling the vastly superior collective productivity of average individuals.

[Lune]

The reality is I have more time, energy and intelligence, and access to way more of the Akashic record than BigJ dope stunted amygdala and cerebrum could hope to ever achieve. And I'm sort of a projection of his conscious self telling him to stop being gay, but he won't listen because BigJ is the gayest of the gays.

Also, Jeff Sessions war on pot... lawl.

If you want cheap drugs move to south America and stop importing.

He's intelligent just tsundere to an excess. Also moderately gay but aren't we all

[B4EQWASCOOL]

He's intelligent just tsundere to an excess. Also moderately gay but aren't we all

Fuck Sessions... that is all.

Sessions: "Good people do not smoke marijuana."

[Lune]

Fuck Sessions... that is all.

Sessions: "Good people do not smoke marijuana."

Was talking about Big J Sessions can go fuck himself.

[bigjerry]

Sessions: "Good people do not smoke marijuana."

its a pretty woke statement tho

[bigjerry]

page 188

[maskedmelon]

wow and that is melon multi-tasking at it best, complete with repeating myself and incorrect homonym choices. glad it was understood though ^^ just re-read it and thought, poo...

[Patriam1066]

I was very ironically thinking about this last night... I went on a business trip to California... there was tons of immigrants and moms and pops, and white people doing well for themselves in their glorious multistory business resort parks, almost no big chains like Walmart.

In my shitty red states that I had to fly over/drive thru, all I see is Walmart after Walmart.

GoP=Walmart, realistate depression, crazed rabid rednecks with alcoholism and bad hygiene. Trailer park after trailer park.

Socialist Utopia = thriving small business and personal choice and less slavery.

Less slavery and more freedom = stronger economy, smarter saner people = more $rich and economic security for the wealthy elites. Strict, strong, ethical rules, about the environment, and how to live and treat others does not = slavery. The GOP just leaving everyone in the dirt to rot with each others hepatitis infested selves in "mah rights freedom land" is slavery, when all you can do with your pitiful slavery is piss away your lives in the dirt because it's "cheap to live here". It's also FUCKING CHEAP to be a SLAVE WIGNIGER.

Think long and hard about this BigDumbass.

You realize our economy is based on trade and California sits on the Pacific, I.E. access to trade with Japan, china, India, Korea, Taiwan...

It isn't cultural or governmental as to why the coasts do better than the center of the country. Do you idiots think liberalism explains why Constantinople was wealthier than a Balkans outpost? Jesus Christ...

[JurisDictum]

Our economy is based on speculation, loans, and "intellectual property."

[Lune]

You realize our economy is based on trade and California sits on the Pacific, I.E. access to trade with Japan, china, India, Korea, Taiwan...

It isn't cultural or governmental as to why the coasts do better than the center of the country. Do you idiots think liberalism explains why Constantinople was wealthier than a Balkans outpost? Jesus Christ...

Why doesn't that apply to to the coast of the Gulf states and Southeastern US? Savannah Georgia is one of the highest volume ports in the United States. The Western gulf is a hub for oil imports and refining $$$$$. This phenomenon also exists along important inland rivers and old railroad/transportation hubs.

I think you're correct in that the prosperity is related to aggregation of goods and services in certain areas (trade) but that's more about being urban than location along a coast, and the reason somewhere like Savannah Georgia doesn't turn out like San Francisco isn't as simple as hurr durr liberal vs. conservative, I think it goes back to centuries of economic development of the South and its poorly diversified low-growth economy and hidalgo culture.

The county I live in right now is one of the wealthiest in Northern California and is solidly solidly red. In August I ship off to grad school in Columbia South Carolina which is solidly solidly blue. Bizarro world.

[bigjerry]

texas is dope retard

[Lune]

texas is dope retard

Sorry California > Texas

One place is a global hub of culture and innovation, the other has toxic groundwater and fat people.

[Patriam1066]

Our economy is based on speculation, loans, and "intellectual property."

I agree with this to an overwhelmingly degree

To this rest of you:

California was more prosperous than the center of the country when it was republican and the south and Midwest were way more left on economic issues than they are now. You know this

The Gulf had an agrarian economy. It was never industrialized. Did you learn civil war history? What lost it for the South? ALL of the good officers from the Mexican American war were southern, but the cfnederacy had (and compared to the Great Lakes and coasts) still has little industrial output.

Georgia, Texas, and NC do quite well. South Carolina has tons of industrial output now but is still poorer. Accumulation of wealth over centuries matters and all of you know if you'd stop trolling that I'm right when I say Kansas vs California (or California vs Alabama) has more to do with geography and history than with policy. California hasn't been democratic for very long... it's been pro business even during its democratic periods

Finally, china has an authoritarian socialist government. Look at where all of their prosperity is concentrated. They did it more rapidly but in America, it's the same thing over a longer time. Wealth has always followed trade

[Patriam1066]

Sorry California > Texas

One place is a global hub of culture and innovation, the other has toxic groundwater and fat people.

Lol no way LA is the biggest shit hole on earth dude and I live in Houston, a pretty big shit hole

[Lune]

Lol no way LA is the biggest shit hole on earth dude and I live in Houston, a pretty big shit hole

Only the vast majority of LA is a shithole, there are some nice parts.

[Patriam1066]

Allowing corporations to buy up farms and import cheap labor (displacing farmers) who will be subsidized by taxes in education and food stamps is a very stupid policy and is an indictment of someone indeed. Too bad I'm referring to the political class rather than those people who you believe are only good for "filling prison space." I can't judge too much though. I assume everyone living in DC is only good for that same purpose

[Pokesan]

im the proud papa of this retarded derail

#zeitgeist

[Patriam1066]

That's historically just been the way it's done. It's bad. And neither the R's or the D's seen keen on fixing it. The R's at the very least are willing to watch it implode. The result of said implosion will be super cheap farms to corporatize. The D's want to keep the class system firmly entrenched and don't want farmers to hold administrative power over their lands. So in this way I see both sides subtly working for the same goal > crash the economy, buy out the poor, replace them with better serfs.

I personally value locally sourced food and am willing to pay more for it, knowing it came from a farm that's not incorporated in the far east. Until we stop beating each-other to death with clubs cuz "FAGGOT". We're not going to turn our attention to the upper class. Being "Liberultard" != upperclass.

Also, people don't want to go a season without OJ or shrimp, so they will import from Cali, or Thailand... this is just going to happen.... making locally farmed shrimp and a lot of FL OJ ... just gets shipped out. Food doesn't relate to climate, because our economy went global like way before the civil wars with sailing ships.

I've been pro national minimum income for a very long time. It's a way better idea than student loans, picking corporate winners and losers, and importing people to exploit them at a rate that is unsustainable. Oh yeah, and there's a moral component too but I doubt very seriously anyone cares about that in this highly individualistic country

[bigjerry]

texans who don't get sucked under by fat are literally the best americans. love em. all my supermasc thug mentors irl have been texan they are fuckin soldiers and the women are fly and embody actual feminine strength (instead of dicklady inferiority complex). Capitalism and culture of disciplined (muh bible thumpers im a atheist 2 the bone legalize it) individualism at work buddy, the cream rises WAY to the top the rest get fat and you can spy their inferiority from miles away. as it should be.

[Ahldagor]

im the proud papa of this retarded derail

#zeitgeist

You did very well, again. Wonder who else caught it.

Also, Jerry can't keep an 18month+ old 4chan schtick going without the cheerleader that Azzar's become. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.

PPS,
The Trump-Ryan healthcare bill has been delayed. Meaning even republicans can't pass the shit bill in its current form. We will have to wait and see how this plays out.

[bigjerry]

there's like 4 pages of mad liberals psychoanalyzing ya boy in the last 10 and here you are crediting Pokesan and talking down about my contributions. could it be your booty hurt too?

[Patriam1066]

You did very well, again. Wonder who else caught it.

Also, Jerry can't keep an 18month+ old 4chan schtick going without the cheerleader that Azzar's become. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.

PPS,
The Trump-Ryan healthcare bill has been delayed. Meaning even republicans can't pass the shit bill in its current form. We will have to wait and see how this plays out.

Good the bill sucked either repeal it or nationalize healthcare. Tired of a healthcare debate who gives a shit as long as national healthcare is accompanied by "national diet" (((kale))) I'm ok

[Pokesan]

You did very well, again. Wonder who else caught it.

Also, Jerry can't keep an 18month+ old 4chan schtick going without the cheerleader that Azzar's become. Silly rabbits, tricks are for kids.

PPS,
The Trump-Ryan healthcare bill has been delayed. Meaning even republicans can't pass the shit bill in its current form. We will have to wait and see how this plays out.

don't be mistaken, they only don't have the votes because the freedom caucus wants it to be even more severe

[bigjerry]

the south is objectively the best part of the union and Texas is its rightful capitol

[Lune]

the south is objectively the best part of the union and Texas is its rightful capitol

rare poor form, usually I can't tell when I'm being trolled

[bigjerry]

the punchline is your thinking it's a troll, my man

[AzzarTheGod]

don't be mistaken, they only don't have the votes because the freedom caucus wants it to be even more severe

The HBO series "circus" showed Rand talking to the caucus. It's a live doc-drama.

He left the room with his camera crew in disgust as soon as Rand said the goal is to kill this bill.

Check it out sometime if u have premium cable it's decent bullshit and occasionally you get unprecedented access. Allowing a camera into a closed session meeting was cool even if it was just a few seconds

He tried to crack a joke about Rand Paul wearing a Tuxedo on his way in but got dunked by his aide who informed him he has a black-tie dinner with the Vice President later

[Daywolf]

No, it was general statement on the oral traditions of most ancient cultures and how that is what passed stories along to future generations until a better tool, writing, came about. I get over analysis, but lordy you must have some dank nuggets where you live.
teh wat?!
So you have difficulty accepting that the version of academia presented ancient "history" is pretty much FUBAR, but your opinion is that the middle-east was pretty much (more recent history) illiterate thru.. what the 5th century? :o
uh-huuuh.... hehehe
Fortunate we taught them math and astronomy too, eh? :D

[maskedmelon]

universal basic income is unethical. it is a self-serving placation of conscience at the expense of humanity :c

[maskedmelon]

you are welcome to caricature it, but there is nothing noble about diluting the mean and hobbling humanity:c people don't realize the fragility of our existence and the obstacles to its continuance. they don't even consider the long term local consequences of their selfishness let alone the global repercussions.

[Lune]

universal basic income is unethical. it is a self-serving placation of conscience at the expense of humanity :c

You've got to get the ridiculous notion out of your head that cooperating as a society and providing a framework of opportunity encourages people to be complacent. It just does not work like that. That vision is born by such a profound lack of understanding of the world.

It's like saying providing good soil and water for your garden is counterproductive because some of the weak plants will survive and some weeds might get some.

Besides, universal basic income is infinitely more fair than the current system of welfare because everyone gets it and it replaces most other entitlements.

For all your rhetoric about saving humanity you don't even realize that statism is literally the only way to counter the bacterial impulses of humanity and do important things like population control and long term collective strategy/planning. Left to "selfishness" or unfettered market capitalism we'll destroy ourselves like bacteria in a petri dish, or we may already have.

[Patriam1066]

Besides, universal basic income is infinitely more fair than the current system of welfare because everyone gets it and it replaces most other entitlements.



It's also more efficient (supposedly, I've read studies but who knows)

[Ahldagor]

teh wat?!
So you have difficulty accepting that the version of academia presented ancient "history" is pretty much FUBAR, but your opinion is that the middle-east was pretty much (more recent history) illiterate thru.. what the 5th century? :o
uh-huuuh.... hehehe
Fortunate we taught them math and astronomy too, eh? :D


I really want some of the drugs you do. Goddamn boy they must be good if you think any of that makes sense.

[Daywolf]

I really want some of the drugs you do. Goddamn boy they must be good if you think any of that makes sense.
Wrong. They had the written language before Moe made up that junk in his broken head. He didn't write it down (if he even existed), it was just a telephone game for ~250 years before someone bothered.

You just gotta write that stuff down first-hand and preserve it, including the making of many-many copies which helps preservation. That's a big problem with much of history as we know it, even your beloved greek philosophers. And that's just counting the manuscripts that survived all the great library fires and sackings.

You're boring, Al d Gore.

[Ahldagor]

Wrong. They had the written language before Moe made up that junk in his broken head. He didn't write it down (if he even existed), it was just a telephone game for ~250 years before someone bothered.

You just gotta write that stuff down first-hand and preserve it, including the making of many-many copies which helps preservation. That's a big problem with much of history as we know it, even your beloved greek philosophers. And that's just counting the manuscripts that survived all the great library fires and sackings.

You're boring, Al d Gore.

Strike 9. Inning over. Did your partner leave you for an Arabic translator?

[Daywolf]

Strike 9. Inning over. Did your partner leave you for an Arabic translator?

http://i.imgur.com/ATpz0gV.gif?1

[Ahldagor]

I'm sorry for your loss.

[Daywolf]

I'm sorry for your loss.
My loss? hmm... last time I checked, they threw your kind off roof tops without a second glance. You cant appease them, not even if you could grow wings.
War is coming.

[AzzarTheGod]

War is coming.

my zega on sega right hurr

[Ahldagor]

My loss? hmm... last time I checked, they threw your kind off roof tops without a second glance. You cant appease them, not even if you could grow wings.
War is coming.

You didn't fall into a spiral of self-harm with drug abuse did you? Again, I'm sorry for your loss. It's not your fault.

[maskedmelon]

You've got to get the ridiculous notion out of your head that cooperating as a society and providing a framework of opportunity encourages people to be complacent.

That is not my concern, Lune. No rational person would embrace that notion. I disagree with the premise though that what you describe above is an accurate description of universal basic income on its own in our present environment ^^

It just does not work like that. That vision is born by such a profound lack of understanding of the world.

Of course it doesn't ^^

It's like saying providing good soil and water for your garden is counterproductive because some of the weak plants will survive and some weeds might get some.

this is where we disagree. i do not see universal basic income as good soil and water. it's like spraying vinegar on your soil because you have bare patches and being pleased with the fullness once you have more moss than grass ^^

In my experience, I have never learned something or developed a skill by way of someone else doing that thing for me. I have seen similar results with those I've taught and those others have taught. People do not learn without doing. Outside perhaps a very few exceptional individuals, the first step to success is almost always failure and overcoming those obstacles on one's own is absolutely necessary. Others can offer advice, guidance, correction, explanation, demonstration, but learning itself is an internal process.

If I do your math homework for you, you will receive good marks, so long as I continue to do so. What is the likelihood of my continued aid ever helping you learn to do math? (I'm sure you would receive exceptional marks on your own, that not the point ^^)

That same analogy can be applied to work and play and every other activity and it is one reason why I do not believe that the simple act of giving people money necessarily enables them in to amass or even acquire more of it.

The other reason I don't embrace a universal basic income is because I see poverty as a symptom, not a disease itself. It is the result and while it may exacerbate other complications of the disease giving rise to it, it is not the cause. The source is general performance deficiency, or failure, arising from both internal and external sources. I simply do not believe that poverty causes people to fail. People become impoverished because they fail. Those who are unfortunate enough to be born into it generally remain there, but all do not. Some find a way out. If poverty were the source of failure, those people would not exist, but they do.

Besides, universal basic income is infinitely more fair than the current system of welfare because everyone gets it and it replaces most other entitlements.

i agree that in the short term it is more equitable to individuals. it's the long term consequences that concern me and those I see as equally detrimental to all.

For all your rhetoric about saving humanity you don't even realize that statism is literally the only way to counter the bacterial impulses of humanity and do important things like population control and long term collective strategy/planning. Left to "selfishness" or unfettered market capitalism we'll destroy ourselves like bacteria in a petri dish, or we may already have.

I think we'll destroy ourselves anyway, but to your point on statism, i don't disagree with you on its efficacy. I've evolved on that issue and have said before that the only practical systems for advancing humanity fall neatly within the libertarian right and the authoritarian left. The former relies on nature to do do the work we are disinclined to, the latter embraces that responsibility as our own.

The reason I reject the libertarian left is because a government that assumes financial responsibility, must be empowered to control costs alongside revenues. Allowing a citizenry to do as they please when the government holds the pocket book is not a sustainable condition.

The reason I reject the authoritarian right is because a government which possesses great power, but fails to adequately temper excellence, will simply be bought by the most successful entireties.

all authoritarian systems will suffer to some degree from adverse selection and corruption, but it is far more difficult for specific entities if the environment does not permit the economic hegemony afforded by a wholly free market.

[Pokesan]

That is not my concern, Lune. No rational person would embrace that notion. I disagree with the premise though that what you describe above is an accurate description of universal basic income on its own in our present environment ^^



Of course it doesn't ^^



this is where we disagree. i do not see universal basic income as good soil and water. it's like spraying vinegar on your soil because you have bare patches and being pleased with the fullness once you have more moss than grass ^^

In my experience, I have never learned something or developed a skill by way of someone else doing that thing for me. I have seen similar results with those I've taught and those others have taught. People do not learn without doing. Outside perhaps a very few exceptional individuals, the first step to success is almost always failure and overcoming those obstacles on one's own is absolutely necessary. Others can offer advice, guidance, correction, explanation, demonstration, but learning itself is an internal process.

If I do your math homework for you, you will receive good marks, so long as I continue to do so. What is the likelihood of my continued aid ever helping you learn to do math? (I'm sure you would receive exceptional marks on your own, that not the point ^^)

That same analogy can be applied to work and play and every other activity and it is one reason why I do not believe that the simple act of giving people money necessarily enables them in to amass or even acquire more of it.

The other reason I don't embrace a universal basic income is because I see poverty as a symptom, not a disease itself. It is the result and while it may exacerbate other complications of the disease giving rise to it, it is not the cause. The source is general performance deficiency, or failure, arising from both internal and external sources. I simply do not believe that poverty causes people to fail. People become impoverished because they fail. Those who are unfortunate enough to be born into it generally remain there, but all do not. Some find a way out. If poverty were the source of failure, those people would not exist, but they do.



i agree that in the short term it is more equitable to individuals. it's the long term consequences that concern me and those I see as equally detrimental to all.



I think we'll destroy ourselves anyway, but to your point on statism, i don't disagree with you on its efficacy. I've evolved on that issue and have said before that the only practical systems for advancing humanity fall neatly within the libertarian right and the authoritarian left. The former relies on nature to do do the work we are disinclined to, the latter embraces that responsibility as our own.

The reason I reject the libertarian left is because a government that assumes financial responsibility, must be empowered to control costs alongside revenues. Allowing a citizenry to do as they please when the government holds the pocket book is not a sustainable condition.

The reason I reject the authoritarian right is because a government which possesses great power, but fails to adequately temper excellence, will simply be bought by the most successful entireties.

all authoritarian systems will suffer to some degree from adverse selection and corruption, but it is far more difficult for specific entities if the environment does not permit the economic hegemony afforded by a wholly free market.

confucius say "man who build wall too tall suffer from fail aids"

[bigjerry]

universal basic income, legal psychedelics and suffocating lifelong state education for every citizen. i agree w Lune, it aint that bad as long as there's alot of hormone treated boipucci on campus.

[bigjerry]

dude's got nice legs but he's no J above the waist

[Lune]

In my experience, I have never learned something or developed a skill by way of someone else doing that thing for me. I have seen similar results with those I've taught and those others have taught. People do not learn without doing. Outside perhaps a very few exceptional individuals, the first step to success is almost always failure and overcoming those obstacles on one's own is absolutely necessary. Others can offer advice, guidance, correction, explanation, demonstration, but learning itself is an internal process.

If I do your math homework for you, you will receive good marks, so long as I continue to do so. What is the likelihood of my continued aid ever helping you learn to do math? (I'm sure you would receive exceptional marks on your own, that not the point ^^)

That same analogy can be applied to work and play and every other activity and it is one reason why I do not believe that the simple act of giving people money necessarily enables them in to amass or even acquire more of it.

Basic income is not something being "done for you". It does absolutely nothing to get in the way of learning processes or personal development. In fact, it is conducive to these things because it provides people OPTIONS. Rather than taking two or three part time exploitative jobs just to keep above water, they are free to bargain the price of their own labor in an extremely liberating way. "Nah I'm not gonna take a job flipping burgers at McDonalds for $7 an hour because I don't need to. Instead I'm going to learn how to paint or mix music and sell that" or "Instead I'm going to try to start a business grooming dogs because I LOVE animals". Of course some people will say "I'm gonna stay at home and do jack shit", but they probably would have anyway, and it's not like they were contributing much at their meaningless low-skill job. And honestly, society would probably shun them for it.

The fundamental premise of basic income isn't that you are just being given money for nothing but that, as an American citizen, you own a share of the national wealth and prosperity that is made on the backs of labor. (Of course they'd have to get rid of birthright citizenship at some point and majorly reform immigration). Kind of like how citizens of Norway or Alaska are cut a dividend check from their national oil companies. (Their societies didn't implode because everyone just stayed home masturbating instead of going to work by the way).

Furthermore, if you look at the children of rich families, or even royalty, going all throughout history, for whom work is entirely optional, you will rarely see them just fuck around and do nothing. It's because cultural and societal expectations of us are FAR STRONGER than whatever drive to "do nothing" exists because you've been given money. What busty heiress is going to fuck little Timmy Johnson of the Johnson & Johnson fortune if he just stays at home all day wanking? No, he's going to learn sailing, literature, and probably how to run parts of his family's business, or philanthropy, because there's more inspiration to life than making money.

And this isn't even touching on the problems posed by automation.

I simply do not believe that poverty causes people to fail. People become impoverished because they fail. Those who are unfortunate enough to be born into it generally remain there, but all do not. Some find a way out. If poverty were the source of failure, those people would not exist, but they do.

You are wrong in that belief in the vast majority of cases. Failure causes poverty and poverty promotes failure in a state of dynamic equilibrium. You said it yourself. "Those who are unfortunate enough to be born into it generally remain there". That's because, in the vast majority of cases, IT TRAPS PEOPLE, and it takes a real big-dicked gunner to claw their way out. It turns out that when, as a culture and as a government, you provide a stepladder out of poverty, it becomes far less infectious, heritable, and persistent. More people are able to climb out. The inter-generational damage is far less. Providing nutritional assistance to a poor kid because his dipshit mom can't or won't feed him properly isn't going to sabotage the kid. It's probably going to help his brain develop normally, as we know better nutrition as a kid = higher IQ and better health as an adult.

The reason I reject the authoritarian right is because a government which possesses great power, but fails to adequately temper excellence, will simply be bought by the most successful entireties.

all authoritarian systems will suffer to some degree from adverse selection and corruption, but it is far more difficult for specific entities if the environment does not permit the economic hegemony afforded by a wholly free market.

Living in the US right now often feels like being held back in grade school and watching your classmates go on into the future without you. If the Cold War was seen as a rivalry between market capitalism and communism to see which system is better, I see our current era as a rivalry between cooperative socialism and individualistic libertarianism.

The highly cooperative societies of Europe, Japan, Oceania, etc, are all doing better than us, the ruggedly individualistic United States. You can nitpick all you want about why that is or make predictions about how it's not sustainable or they'll eventually fail, but at the end of the day, they are happier, healthier, and enjoy more practical freedom and liberty than we do.

If you see the fall of the Soviet Union as an indictment of communism/socialism, then you must also necessarily see the decline of the American way of life relative to our peers as mirroring the inferiority of our nascent descent into libertarianism.

[bigjerry]

Basic income is not something being "done for you". It does absolutely nothing to get in the way of learning processes or personal development. In fact, it is conducive to these things because it provides people OPTIONS. Rather than taking two or three part time exploitative jobs just to keep above water, they are free to bargain the price of their own labor in an extremely liberating way. "Nah I'm not gonna take a job flipping burgers at McDonalds for $7 an hour because I don't need to. Instead I'm going to learn how to paint or mix music and sell that" or "Instead I'm going to try to start a business grooming dogs because I LOVE animals". Of course some people will say "I'm gonna stay at home and do jack shit", but they probably would have anyway, and it's not like they were contributing much at their meaningless low-skill job. And honestly, society would probably shun them for it.

The fundamental premise of basic income isn't that you are just being given money for nothing but that, as an American citizen, you own a share of the national wealth and prosperity that is made on the backs of labor. (Of course they'd have to get rid of birthright citizenship at some point and majorly reform immigration). Kind of like how citizens of Norway or Alaska are cut a dividend check from their national oil companies. (Their societies didn't implode because everyone just stayed home masturbating instead of going to work by the way).

Furthermore, if you look at the children of rich families, or even royalty, going all throughout history, for whom work is entirely optional, you will rarely see them just fuck around and do nothing. It's because cultural and societal expectations of us are FAR STRONGER than whatever drive to "do nothing" exists because you've been given money. What busty heiress is going to fuck little Timmy Johnson of the Johnson & Johnson fortune if he just stays at home all day wanking? No, he's going to learn sailing, literature, and probably how to run parts of his family's business, or philanthropy, because there's more inspiration to life than making money.

And this isn't even touching on the problems posed by automation.



You are wrong in that belief in the vast majority of cases. Failure causes poverty and poverty promotes failure in a state of dynamic equilibrium. You said it yourself. "Those who are unfortunate enough to be born into it generally remain there". That's because, in the vast majority of cases, IT TRAPS PEOPLE, and it takes a real big-dicked gunner to claw their way out. It turns out that when, as a culture and as a government, you provide a stepladder out of poverty, it becomes far less infectious, heritable, and persistent. More people are able to climb out. The inter-generational damage is far less. Providing nutritional assistance to a poor kid because his dipshit mom can't or won't feed him properly isn't going to sabotage the kid. It's probably going to help his brain develop normally, as we know better nutrition as a kid = higher IQ and better health as an adult.



Living in the US right now often feels like being held back in grade school and watching your classmates go on into the future without you. If the Cold War was seen as a rivalry between market capitalism and communism to see which system is better, I see our current era as a rivalry between cooperative socialism and individualistic libertarianism.

The highly cooperative societies of Europe, Japan, Oceania, etc, are all doing better than us, the ruggedly individualistic United States. You can nitpick all you want about why that is or make predictions about how it's not sustainable or they'll eventually fail, but at the end of the day, they are happier, healthier, and enjoy more practical freedom and liberty than we do.

If you see the fall of the Soviet Union as an indictment of communism/socialism, then you must also necessarily see the decline of the American way of life relative to our peers as mirroring the inferiority of our nascent descent into libertarianism.

if you read it, you reddit

[bigjerry]

capitalism obfuscates violent competition in nature into a semi-pacifistic mathematical game. remove it from the world power and the predator-prey relations it keeps isolated in fiat videogame world get reintroduced elsewhere.

train the peasants to expect freebies and riot even in the string-puller's red server without them, you incentivize the mass extermination and/or reprogramming of said peons into harmless overhead to placate and dispose of by some less graphic means (bill gates style?). your naivety about human nature renders you an unwitting genocidal lunatic my man.

Let weak people fucking kill themselves. don't make other people do it to those with and without merit based on station of birth.

capitalist world power USA is a containment zone for the dog-eat-dog relations that form the fundamental structure of human interaction. socialist Europe could not exist in stability without a place outside to concentrate real power. socialist Europe is a fucking theme park buddy, pretending you can extrapolate its structure to the system that governs the planet is retarded as fuck. And all your assertions about ppl not sitting at home masturbating, on top of being way too optimistic and ignorant of the average USA citizen's mindstate, are utterly untested anyway; our capacity to jack in and jack off is increasing drastically by the day and i think ur aware of this mister tranny afficianado professional dick-jacker.

this reply is based on skimming your gay post only so sry if I missed sumthin.

[Lune]

capitalism obfuscates violent competition in nature into a semi-pacifistic mathematical game. remove it from the world power and the predator-prey relations it keeps isolated in fiat videogame world get reintroduced elsewhere.

train the peasants to expect freebies and riot even in the string-puller's red server without them, you incentivize the mass extermination and/or reprogramming of said peons into harmless overhead to placate and dispose of by some less graphic means (bill gates style?). your naivety about human nature renders you an unwitting genocidal lunatic my man.

Let weak people fucking kill themselves. don't make other people do it to those with and without merit based on station of birth.

capitalist world power USA is a containment zone for the dog-eat-dog relations that form the fundamental structure of human interaction. socialist Europe could not exist in stability without a place outside to concentrate real power. socialist Europe is a fucking theme park buddy, pretending you can extrapolate its structure to the system that governs the planet is retarded as fuck. And all your assertions about ppl not sitting at home masturbating, on top of being way too optimistic and ignorant of the average USA citizen's mindstate, are utterly untested anyway; our capacity to jack in and jack off is increasing drastically by the day.

this reply is based on skimming your gay post only so sry if I missed sumthin.

Predator-prey, dog-eat-dog, it fascinates me that you view humanity through that lens. I guess we grew up in different neighborhoods.

Nowhere did I propose abolishing capitalism, competition, or entrepreneurship. Europe isn't socialist, they are mixed market economies with socialist elements in both their culture and government, which is what I mean when I call them that.

I think this is one area where fascists and national socialists had it right. Private enterprise and competition were encouraged, even celebrated, but only if it benefited the nation as a whole. Parasitic industry (insurance, (((predatory lending))), (((speculative investment))), were edged out by government institutions which managed these things with the public's best interest in mind (or so they claimed, Nazis were very corrupt), Italians did a little better.

Nothing about universal basic income hinders your ability to conduct private enterprise. It just makes it so that if you want other human beings to work for you, you have to sweeten the deal, instead of trap them.

And you're right, they are untested, that's why so many places are experimenting with basic income. But I fail to see how it could be worse than the welfare we currently have. It is cheaper and better. Funneling all welfare, social security, disability, government pensions, medicare, pell grants, unemployment insurance, etc etc into basic income RIGHT NOW would net something like $18,000 per person above the age of 18 per year or something like that. I calculated it a while ago.

Not to mention you're advocating for a setting where The Tribe can thrive.

[Nilstoniakrath]

If you see the fall of the Soviet Union as an indictment of communism/socialism, then you must also necessarily see the decline of the American way of life relative to our peers as mirroring the inferiority of our nascent descent into libertarianism.

You wouldn't know true liberty if it came up and bit you on the a$$. This country hasn't been free in a long time, and it is getting less free every day .

[Ahldagor]

Morons think they know what freedom is in the USA. Limited gov is limited, danke Constitution.

And Trump-Ryan American Healthcare Act or whatever they were calling it has failed in the house thisn time around.

[Pokesan]

Morons think they know what freedom is in the USA. Limited gov is limited, danke Constitution.

And Trump-Ryan American Healthcare Act or whatever they were calling it has failed in the house thisn time around.

Trump stumped

[Daywolf]

basic income blah blah Communism. It didn't work last time, not the time before, nor the time before that, always the same outcome but you expect something different next time. uh-huh... wonderful definition of insanity fur sure. Just be content with your moms basement, m'kay?

[bigjerry]

basic income blah blah Communism. It didn't work last time, not the time before, nor the time before that, always the same outcome but you expect something different next time. uh-huh... wonderful definition of insanity fur sure. Just be content with your moms basement, m'kay?

woke.

"wow ur a cynic contrarian edgelord j, u think of ppl like getting power over other ppl? hand absolute authority to the zog state or ur playing into its hands"

ur not in my league kid get at me. u don't understand people at all my man. maybe it's just that I'm a tru alpha and understand how my own mind work and u a lil sheepn@gg@ who gets off on being shoved against a wall by someone who describe themselves as a "futanari"

[Pokesan]

sheeple

[bigjerry]

^mad

[Pokesan]

^mad

[Lune]

woke.

"wow ur a cynic contrarian edgelord j, u think of ppl like getting power over other ppl? hand absolute authority to the zog state or ur playing into its hands"

ur not in my league kid get at me. u don't understand people at all my man. maybe it's just that I'm a tru alpha and understand how my own mind work and u a lil sheepn@gg@ who gets off on being shoved against a wall by someone who describe themselves as a "futanari"

Far too alpha to ever go into detail or lay out your vision for the way things should work, nah, why do that when you can nitpick other people's opinions with passive aggressive riddles and vague allusions to international Jewish conspiracy.

You've been intellectually checkmated by the fact that the freer the market, the more power ZOG has, and in fact laissez faire follows everywhere the Tribe goes. Your juvenile survival-of-the-fittest individualistic view of the world doesn't account for the fact that people and, more specifically, (((ethnicities))) who band together and cooperate will dominate you in that world.

Something like the Balfour Declaration wasn't even made possible until the total death of the Ancien Régimes in Europe and their replacement with the liberal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism) order. Ask yourself where ZOG has more influence today. Is it where people are slaves to debt and money-lending is a milestone and rite of passage, or is it where the government gives people the bargaining power to avoid fealty to usury?

[bigjerry]

Free market or no has nothing to do with ZOG genius. See Russia early 20th century. Resolve to destroy ravenous amoebic ethnic superiority type ideology anywhere it hides and by any and all means is the only meaningful measure for fighting zog; not changing the color of the clothes zog daddy wears. Crushing systems of ethnic superiority is not an economic issue alone or even primarily; it's a cultural and military one with an economic component. You're leaning way too hard into me I see the thirst in your bloodshot eyes and it's obvious you're scared boy.

Cementing the power of the current zog beaurocracy into a world socialist empire is not the first step to freedom. sorry you lost. Sorry I get juvenile with you after you fled like a cowardly dog from 20 discussions with me. U ain't in my league kid.

you literally wanted Bernie lol

[AzzarTheGod]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/03/timothy_caughman_s_murder_was_a_lynching_in_trump_ s_america.html

#macequest



Fucking Trump supporters are qwueirdos.

lol obvious fake news. false flag incident aka Reality-Simulated Training.

Listen to any police scanner in a major city, they have dispatchers with British accents that come on over the dispatch to execute these drills. The security companies are often British that perform these things.

The department signs on for it, its considered training and then the department/security company push the story to the press for additional security contracted agitation propaganda.

secret proceedings, no cameras or press allowed unless the judge says so. and cameras 100% banned from fed proceeding. that way they can continue the reality-simulated training in the court room without any outside lawyer being like "hmmm i used my power of subpoena on this case file just for educational spectator purposes and I wasn't given anything, the query also returned a strange result".

[bigjerry]

azzar gets it. obvious he works in government. I would know what a person like that looks like.

[Lune]

Free market or no has nothing to do with ZOG genius. See Russia early 20th century. Resolve to destroy ravenous amoebic ethnic superiority type ideology anywhere it hides and by any and all means is the only meaningful measure for fighting zog; not changing the color of the clothes zog daddy wears. Crushing systems of ethnic superiority is not an economic issue alone or even primarily; it's a cultural and military one with an economic component. You're leaning way too hard into me I see the thirst in your bloodshot eyes and it's obvious you're scared boy.

Cementing the power of the current zog beaurocracy into a world socialist empire is not the first step to freedom. sorry you lost. Sorry I get juvenile with you after you fled like a cowardly dog from 20 discussions with me. U ain't in my league kid.

you literally wanted Bernie lol

ZOG's power is primarily economic, and that power thrives in a free market, as I've illustrated for you. I'm not sure what early 20th century Russia has to do with that other than their cultural failure to run a solvent state based on stolen Western political ideas.

And if we're operating under the assumption that the war is cultural and not economic, then we agree under those conditions, because you know I'm a nationalist and I believe in borders.

It's stupid to frame this discussion under the context of ZOG anyway, which doesn't even really exist in the way you seem to think it does, I'm just humoring you because it's in your comfort zone and talking about ZOG is your only safe space where you feel secure enough to make a point instead of posting in ebonics.

[bigjerry]

you know I'm a nationalist and I believe in borders.

you wanted Bernie

intellectually checkmated

[AzzarTheGod]

azzar gets it. obvious he works in government. I would know what a person like that looks like.

suspicion further confirmed after listening to the police scanner in Albuquerque during Shia LaBeuf's stream at about 2-3 AM with about 150 other guys in the operation room

I thought the drills were stuff organized by the local PD....how naive of me.

The local dispatch with a bible belt accent and manish cowgirl voice all of a sudden disappeared, and this british woman (trying very hard to blend in, we we're all cringing hard at her weird twisted American-British accent) came on and said there was shots fired at such and such a location.

Also said a man was lighting himself on fire at a gas station with a gas hose. She continued to ive updates on a car chase on such and such a road, and the man with the gasoline. I guess it was intended to "wake up" the sleepy patrol guys and keep them sharp and thinking. It definitely sounded effective as the dispatch was pretty graphic and very shocking.

And 1 other dispatch I can't recall.

At the end of it, she said very quickly "reality simulated training over". We listened for another hour, yeap, no more British lady.

But the goy would say its just a "guest dispatcher bro, havent u heard of that?"

kill yourselves.

[Lune]

you wanted Bernie

intellectually checkmated

I'm capable of synthesizing beliefs that span multiple candidates into a choice that's a smart compromise.

You wanted Trump

intellectually disabled

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm capable of synthesizing beliefs that span multiple candidates into a choice that's a smart compromise.

You wanted Trump

intellectually disabled

http://i.imgur.com/RYKk8A0.jpg

goog.....goog.....

post like azzar the god...

your journey is almost complete

[bigjerry]

outdebated you on Trump so hard you retired from forum. this is why you don't deserve more than ebonicsposting. u got nerve bringing up your crushingest defeats like they never happened lil n@g. we both know what happened, we both know my trump stance yet here you are pretending you dont. again. which means you are trying to show out to the uninformed to gain some forum cachet back so u can recruit some p99 trannies, which means u know exactly who I am to you. call me daddy and I'll start supporting your arguments and give you the keys to the tranny kingdom. i unbirthed you I can birth you again, but beautiful instead of this scraggle-bearded zombie posting u be doin. theyre always happier once they bend the knee believe me, I'm a nice guy.

[Lune]

outdebated you on Trump so hard you retired from forum. this is why you don't deserve more than ebonicsposting. u got nerve bringing up your crushingest defeats like they never happened lil n@g. we both know what happened, we both know my trump stance yet here you are pretending you dont. again. which means you are trying to show out to the uninformed to gain some forum cachet back so u can recruit some p99 trannies, which means u know exactly who I am to you. call me daddy and I'll start supporting your arguments and give you the keys to the tranny kingdom. i unbirthed you I can birth you again, but beautiful instead of this scraggle-bearded zombie posting u be doin. theyre always happier once they bend the knee believe me, I'm a nice guy.

We've actually been over this before. Please turn to Page 126 of this thread where I began to suplex this perception of yours and you retreated into your imaginary ZOG happy place where, when pressed for details about ZOG, all you got is "ur not woke enough why bother"

You didn't predict a Trump win either, the only difference between us is your fanboyism was vindicated when it happened. What also got purged is your doubts and waffling when things started looking real bad for trump in late October after grab-em-by-the-pussy but before Podesta.

http://i.imgur.com/4o0b8V0.gif

[bigjerry]

doubts != being 100% positive about the wrong thing. sorry u unequivocally lost and got griefed off the forums for months.

can't believe you dug deep to pull that weak quote up. yikes

[bigjerry]

u can still kiss my ring im not even about humiliating normally. u just gotta do it once. I'll love u like a son

[nilzark]

http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif

[Lune]

doubts != being 100% positive about the wrong thing. sorry u unequivocally lost and got griefed off the forums for months.

can't believe you dug deep to pull that weak quote up. yikes

Dug deep or have a memory so sharp I can forum search keywords from posts several months ago in 10 seconds to disprove your attempts to rewrite forum history

Get on my level

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/RYKk8A0.jpg

goog.....goog.....

post like azzar the god...

your journey is almost complete

I'll never post like you.

http://i.imgur.com/W0PTkTE.jpg

I am a liberal like IRYD before me

[AzzarTheGod]

We've actually been over this before. Please turn to Page 126 of this thread where I began to suplex this perception of yours and you retreated into your imaginary ZOG happy place where, when pressed for details about ZOG, all you got is "ur not woke enough why bother"


parenthesis bait. loves the vanity of the ((())) and sense of belonging attained by hugging the Tribe.

also virtue signalling. gets moral satisfaction off covering for the Tribe who has been expelled from every country who was anyone ever. guess its those corporations and cuckceo's...they arent bankrolled ultimately by tribesmen usury or anything.

[bigjerry]

Dug deep or have a memory so sharp I can forum search keywords from posts several months ago in 10 seconds to disprove your attempts to rewrite forum history

Get on my level

go ahead and make the specific allegation as to what i am misrepresenting complete with quote doctor razor memory

protip u cant

[Lune]

parenthesis bait. loves the vanity of the ((())) and sense of belonging attained by hugging the Tribe.

also virtue signalling. gets moral satisfaction off covering for the Tribe who has been expelled from every country who was anyone ever. guess its those corporations and cuckceo's...they arent bankrolled ultimately by tribesmen usury or anything.

I can see how you would think I'm covering for the Tribe, given that I'm a nationalist and think government should take care of its people. The Tribal ethnostate is also heavily into taking care of their own. This convergence ends where I recognize that the mechanisms upon which that ethnostate thrives in all its host countries are ultimately damaging to the host, especially when the host begins to adopt them for itself.

[Pokesan]

let's put aside petty bickering and bask in the glow of trumps victory. my chess master president intentionally humiliated the GOP and his own administration, to force democrats to take ownership of a bill they passed into law more than 7 years ago.

[AzzarTheGod]

Hollywood Ryan upstaged and outplayed wonder how far he threw the telephone

I'm sure he made Russell Crowe proud. pras the Meme Lord evermore

[Lune]

go ahead and make the specific allegation as to what i am misrepresenting complete with quote doctor razor memory

protip u cant

Well the bit on me getting griefed off the forums was in a separate thread and got deleted. But it basically amounted to this place being an insufferable echobox and hive of shitposting until Sirken cleaned it up when I left.

And as far as being outdebated on Trump, I've already provided that for you.

Again we've been over this verbatim and it ended in your ZOG safespace. It's all in this thread.

doubts != being 100% positive about the wrong thing. sorry u unequivocally lost and got griefed off the forums for months.

can't believe you dug deep to pull that weak quote up. yikes

identical to

I doubted (reasonable), but I never made definitive calls (unwarranted egotism) and wound up so humiliated that I announced my retirement (gay). You were posting election night about how loud the mariachi music was going to be.

"10 moves ahead"

Suplexed by

You have a fair point, but there was a lot more justification to make definitive calls about Clinton than about Trump, which was why the election was such a shock and upset to so many people, even analysts and talking heads who claimed to know what they were talking about. Leading up to it, of course I'm going to milk my confidence in a Clinton win and use unambiguous language to trigger and demoralize Trump supporters, in the same way a presidential candidate will say "when I am elected".

It was basically me and Jarnauga and about twenty Trump supporters on the forum at the time and I knew things were going to be insufferable for a while.

I don't think you can make the case for my being myopic because I failed to predict a Trump win when that was par for the course in politics at the time.

And by now you might be beginning to understand why I often duck out of discussions here because when you actually remember things you see that they often repeat themselves almost verbatim. I'm not a fan of having the same discussion twice. It was hard just to talk to Melon about welfare (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221947&highlight=nephew&page=7) and poverty because we've had that exact same discussion before too.

[Lune]

let's put aside petty bickering and bask in the glow of trumps victory. my chess master president intentionally humiliated the GOP and his own administration, to force democrats to take ownership of a bill they passed into law more than 7 years ago.

I'm going to wait a while to start gloating. Democrats getting everyone on board to pass AHA was a mess too, and they only did it by providing kickbacks to insurance companies. Here's to hoping this drags on for months or years so it sinks in for everyone that Republicans can't govern.

[Pokesan]

I'm going to wait a while to start gloating. Democrats getting everyone on board to pass AHA was a mess too, and they only did it by providing kickbacks to insurance companies. Here's to hoping this drags on for months or years so it sinks in for everyone that Republicans can't govern.

you're a joyless man

[Lune]

Cute avatar btw I like it much more than the monster guy

[bigjerry]

identical to



Suplexed by



And by now you might be beginning to understand why I often duck out of discussions here because when you actually remember things you see that they often repeat themselves almost verbatim. I'm not a fan of having the same discussion twice. It was hard just to talk to Melon about welfare (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221947&highlight=nephew&page=7) and poverty because we've had that exact same discussion before too.

stop and consider that that was in no way a suplex. I therefore repeated my winning truth (((after))) you repeated the same weak shit

I agree that there's a lot of repetition involved in talking to you. thus ebonicsposting.

the problem is you. sorry u insist on losing instead of joining daddy on the winning team. u need a hard n@gg@ to take care of that ass sissy, throw that pride away and learn the meaning of peace

[Ahldagor]

stop and consider that that was in no way a suplex. I therefore repeated my winning truth (((after))) you repeated the same weak shit

I agree that there's a lot of repetition involved in talking to you. thus ebonicsposting.

the problem is you. sorry u insist on losing instead of joining daddy on the winning team. u need a hard n@gg@ to take care of that ass sissy, throw that pride away and learn the meaning of peace

Aww, I can see you petting Daywolf behind his ears while Azzar swallows another load. Y'all are so cute.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Because of the GOP and TRUMPIANITES.

The GOP is guilty in part for this, indeed, with the obvious prudishness they push. But libturds are just as guilty if not more so, with their political correctness, safe spaces, microaggressions, and trigger warnings imbecility. They are so insecure in their beliefs they resort to snarky ridicule, at best, and violence, at worst, to silence opposing views. Hitler and Stalin would be impressed

[JurisDictum]

Health care is put on the back shelf:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-future-236490

Trumpcare won't come unless for some reason he is re-elected -- no way he is getting it done in 4 years. I look at his re-election prospects are basically dependent on the Democratic Party's ability to nominate a real progressive. If they nominate some neo-liberal shill in a suite with a D next to his/her name then Trump can win again.

[Lune]

I look at his re-election prospects are basically dependent on the Democratic Party's ability to nominate a real progressive.

Need to be careful with this. You and I might be progressive but America is NOT, and particularly non-progressive midwestern and swing states wield a disproportionate amount of power due to a flaw in our constitution and party machinery. If Democrats end up with a candidate saying too much about abolishing borders, taking refugees, being too soft on Muslims, focusing too much on transsexuals, women, etc, they are going to lose again. Maybe even someone with the balls to campaign for single payer healthcare reform now that the majority of Americans want it.

People are anxious about their standard of living decreasing and the Democrat nominee has to be able to feed on that first and foremost. Which might be a problem because whenever a Republican (or a neo-liberal like Bill Clinton) gets into office and takes all the control rods out of the reactor it gets very hot very fast and doesn't melt down until years later.

But more important than all of that, it needs to be someone likable for fucks sake.

It's also possible they try Trumpcare again after the midterms if Republicans gain seats.

[nilzark]

Drugs...

[Ahldagor]

Dems gotta admit that mortgage meltdown. Healing then begins.

[Daywolf]

Dems gotta admit that drugz ar bad, m'kay?

[AzzarTheGod]

Need to be careful with this. You and I might be progressive but America is NOT, and particularly non-progressive midwestern and swing states wield a disproportionate amount of power due to a flaw in our constitution and party machinery. If Democrats end up with a candidate saying too much about abolishing borders, taking refugees, being too soft on Muslims, focusing too much on transsexuals, women, etc, they are going to lose again. Maybe even someone with the balls to campaign for single payer healthcare reform now that the majority of Americans want it.

People are anxious about their standard of living decreasing and the Democrat nominee has to be able to feed on that first and foremost. Which might be a problem because whenever a Republican (or a neo-liberal like Bill Clinton) gets into office and takes all the control rods out of the reactor it gets very hot very fast and doesn't melt down until years later.

But more important than all of that, it needs to be someone likable for fucks sake.

It's also possible they try Trumpcare again after the midterms if Republicans gain seats.

pretty much. america is nowhere near ready for a progressive candidate.

sorry Boston, NYC, Chicago, LA, and Austin don't have enough electoral vote representation for you

[Ahldagor]

Dems gotta admit that drugz ar bad, m'kay?

Now you're gettin' it, little sheep.

[Jarnauga]

http://i.imgur.com/cVtx4UJ.png

:D

[bigjerry]

Don't be such a pessimist. Look at all the successful trannies in todays world. I used the bathroom in public today. It could be worse. My "blood" "relatives" are incredibly insensitive, insane, and poor, and retarded, if it wasn't Trump and Faggon (Bannon spelled with an F) it'd be someone or something else. Jesus needs to return to earth, and walk among us. We can only do that if we pray and work hard enough at being true and honorable Christians full of integrity and truthfulness before the eyes of God.

https://i.imgur.com/3wPrUwQ.png

[Daywolf]

Ma0 trolling himself with another alt account again?? :rolleyes:


p.s. war is coming

[Lune]

God will punish the you and the rest of the trannies you feeble minded fool.

Burn in hell.

Nice we need a militant fundamentalist Christian in the mix. What you want to debate first? Just be warned I'm armed with all the finest logic bombs and razors of great scientific minds like Hitchens, Sagan, Nye, Tyson, and Michio Kaku.

[bigjerry]

i just pulled a hair out of my nose that's legit like an inch thick, it's like the leg of a tarantula dude fuck this

[Daywolf]

Enters Lune, pulls out his holy science religious bible, starts to chant the global warming prayer mantra as he squeezes beads on a string theory.
Nye... lol

[bigjerry]

u just got baited by lune n@gg@ took u 2 the moon

about nye i mean, u nailed him otherwise

[Daywolf]

Well I just pulled out some of my emergency solar recharge batteries today, juiced them up off of the sun with that huge coronal hole in it today. Checked my shortwave radio. Fillin up my plastic storage tubs with fresh water. Picked up another duffle bag of dry storage food yesterday. Maybe pick up some more tomorrow, maybe some more TP too.

[Lune]

Enters Lune, pulls out his holy science religious bible, starts to chant the global warming prayer mantra as he squeezes beads on a string theory.
Nye... lol

Ye, for when the children of Charlemagne retired hence from the heaving bosoms of courtesans, a stupendous divination graced their countenaces

Solutions of copper sulfate precipitating a flux of salty indigo, and in adding lead salts they watched it go back again, until none was left. Lo.

And they remarked "When any system at equilibrium is subjected to change in concentration, temperature, volume, or pressure, then the system readjusts itself to (partially) counteract the effect of the applied change and a new equilibrium is established". It was good.

And the babes ambled fro, muttering, to Le Chatelier, who raised his hand to soothe them, and they doth retired to his hearth, where the Lord Bohr awaited them in grace and majesty, and lo so too did his cat, Schrodinger.

[Daywolf]

Ye, for when the children of Charlemagne retired hence from the heaving bosoms of courtesans, a stupendous divination graced their countenaces

Solutions of copper sulfate precipitating a flux of salty indigo, and in adding lead salts they watched it go back again, until none was left. Lo.

And they remarked "When any system at equilibrium is subjected to change in concentration, temperature, volume, or pressure, then the system readjusts itself to (partially) counteract the effect of the applied change and a new equilibrium is established". It was good.

And the babes ambled fro, muttering, to Le Chatelier, who raised his hand to soothe them, and they doth retired to his hearth, where the Lord Bohr awaited them in grace and majesty, and lo so too did his cat, Schrodinger.
https://youtu.be/EMBb_tPPA8E?t=23

[Daywolf]

u just got baited by lune n@gg@ took u 2 the moon

about nye i mean, u nailed him otherwise
lol he's a Disney actor, a political hack. He's got a bachelors degree... he's a scientist?!? :D
hesa fraud! He's an NWO mouthpiece.
https://youtu.be/OYIETjbjQJQ
just don't let this clown near a nuclear reactor! m'kay? :D

[Ahldagor]

Daywolf can't feel threatened because they're in a constant state of paranoia because inevitable war doesn't have him prepared enough. Gotta keep the fear, identifies with it too much. Plus some damn good smoke ingrstion for them.

[Convict]

It's posts like this all over that invalidate the "Trump is a good guy, were peaceful, want unity, were good guys" thing. Basically it's saying "I support a faggot Trump and I'm a massive faggotfaced fuck who can't even begin to fathom war, cowardly as fuck man".

Ya'll are fucking trolls and assholes. If you want war, fine, but bitches can make war, it's not like dumbassary male war where people line up and rattle spears and shoot eachother.

You are all going to die if you call for war. I promise you that.

^^ not a threat. Just a statement of cold hard bloody facts. My bad if you feel threatened. It's not my intention. I am not worried about you bringing war. That's why "librulz" (aka moderate sane people) aren't all "OMG NO WARZ all over." We are tired of your dumb retarded shit. It would be a nice exercise routine to end you in war. I would relish it. I'm not a dumbass who's going to call for it though.
yikes

[maskedmelon]

Basic income is not something being "done for you".

you say below it is though and you are absolutely right, it allows you to exist without developing the skills necessary to succeed while pursuing interests. yes, it would be great if we could all pursue our hearts desires to the fullest extent, but if we lack the tools to do so effectively how does that benefit anyone. take a look at student loans.

It does absolutely nothing to get in the way of learning processes or personal development.

it defers learning to be a functional member of society.

In fact, it is conducive to these things because it provides people OPTIONS. Rather than taking two or three part time exploitative jobs just to keep above water, they are free to bargain the price of their own labor in an extremely liberating way. "Nah I'm not gonna take a job flipping burgers at McDonalds for $7 an hour because I don't need to. Instead I'm going to learn how to paint or mix music and sell that" or "Instead I'm going to try to start a business grooming dogs because I LOVE animals".

sure, you can learn all sorts of things that you would like to, but it refers learning the things you need to.

Of course some people will say "I'm gonna stay at home and do jack shit", but they probably would have anyway, and it's not like they were contributing much at their meaningless low-skill job. And honestly, society would probably shun them for it.

this is the point. of course we won't see a majority of people suddenly stay home. i already affirmed that in my post. but those who already do nothing, will now find it easier along with those who do little and those who do not much. They'll be able to continue without or at least with less pressure to correct destructive behavior. people will do what they have always done. that is the point.

The fundamental premise of basic income isn't that you are just being given money for nothing but that, as an American citizen, you own a share of the national wealth and prosperity that is made on the backs of labor.

why would you own a share of profit from labor you didn't furnish?

(Of course they'd have to get rid of birthright citizenship at some point and majorly reform immigration). Kind of like how citizens of Norway or Alaska are cut a dividend check from their national oil companies. (Their societies didn't implode because everyone just stayed home masturbating instead of going to work by the way).

we should be so lucky to have such a society.

Furthermore, if you look at the children of rich families, or even royalty, going all throughout history, for whom work is entirely optional, you will rarely see them just fuck around and do nothing. It's because cultural and societal expectations of us are FAR STRONGER than whatever drive to "do nothing" exists because you've been given money. What busty heiress is going to fuck little Timmy Johnson of the Johnson & Johnson fortune if he just stays at home all day wanking? No, he's going to learn sailing, literature, and probably how to run parts of his family's business, or philanthropy, because there's more inspiration to life than making money.

Like I said above and in my last post, I am not concerned people will do nothing just because they are given money. that's not the issue.

And this isn't even touching on the problems posed by automation.

tell me how subsidizing the lifestyles of the least productive, most prolific breeders is going to help combat the challenges of automation :c



You are wrong in that belief in the vast majority of cases.

this is a bold assertion, prove it. you can't. You can demonstrate correlations, but that is the extent, which is why I refrained from making an assertion. tell me this though, which came first, poverty or people?

Failure causes poverty and poverty promotes failure in a state of dynamic equilibrium.

See above ^^

You said it yourself. "Those who are unfortunate enough to be born into it generally remain there". That's because, in the vast majority of cases, IT TRAPS PEOPLE, and it takes a real big-dicked gunner to claw their way out.

I did and I stand by it. I contend that it is their natural state. The path from poverty is very simple: graduate high school, do not commit crime and defer reproduction. [/quote]

It turns out that when, as a culture and as a government, you provide a stepladder out of poverty, it becomes far less infectious, heritable, and persistent. More people are able to climb out. The inter-generational damage is far less. Providing nutritional assistance to a poor kid because his dipshit mom can't or won't feed him properly isn't going to sabotage the kid. It's probably going to help his brain develop normally, as we know better nutrition as a kid = higher IQ and better health as an adult.

administering insulin to a diabetic body allows the body to function mostly normally by allowing it to process sugars. it does not cure the diabetes.

Living in the US right now often feels like being held back in grade school and watching your classmates go on into the future without you. If the Cold War was seen as a rivalry between market capitalism and communism to see which system is better, I see our current era as a rivalry between cooperative socialism and individualistic libertarianism.

The highly cooperative societies of Europe, Japan, Oceania, etc, are all doing better than us, the ruggedly individualistic United States. You can nitpick all you want about why that is or make predictions about how it's not sustainable or they'll eventually fail, but at the end of the day, they are happier, healthier, and enjoy more practical freedom and liberty than we do.

If you see the fall of the Soviet Union as an indictment of communism/socialism, then you must also necessarily see the decline of the American way of life relative to our peers as mirroring the inferiority of our nascent descent into libertarianism.

not sure how this refutes my rejection of the authoritarian right. the US isn't descending into libertarianism. It is becoming more fascist. Japan and Europe are more authoritarian left.

[Pokesan]

you say below it is though and you are absolutely right, it allows you to exist without developing the skills necessary to succeed while pursuing interests. yes, it would be great if we could all pursue our hearts desires to the fullest extent, but if we lack the tools to do so effectively how does that benefit anyone. take a look at student loans.



it defers learning to be a functional member of society.



sure, you can learn all sorts of things that you would like to, but it refers learning the things you need to.



this is the point. of course we won't see a majority of people suddenly stay home. i already affirmed that in my post. but those who already do nothing, will now find it easier along with those who do little and those who do not much. They'll be able to continue without or at least with less pressure to correct destructive behavior. people will do what they have always done. that is the point.



why would you own a share of profit from labor you didn't furnish?



we should be so lucky to have such a society.



Like I said above and in my last post, I am not concerned people will do nothing just because they are given money. that's not the issue.



tell me how subsidizing the lifestyles of the least productive, most prolific breeders is going to help combat the challenges of automation :c





this is a bold assertion, prove it. you can't. You can demonstrate correlations, but that is the extent, which is why I refrained from making an assertion. tell me this though, which came first, poverty or people?



See above ^^



I did and I stand by it. I contend that it is their natural state. The path from poverty is very simple: graduate high school, do not commit crime and defer reproduction.



administering insulin to a diabetic body allows the body to function mostly normally by allowing it to process sugars. it does not cure the diabetes.



not sure how this refutes my rejection of the authoritarian right. the US isn't descending into libertarianism. It is becoming more fascist. Japan and Europe are more authoritarian left.

obnoxious reply style. were i to spend the kilo-calories necessary to decipher this dense libertarian tome i would surely perish from this gay earth.

[maskedmelon]

Well the bit on me getting griefed off the forums was in a separate thread and got deleted. But it basically amounted to this place being an insufferable echobox and hive of shitposting until Sirken cleaned it up when I left.

And as far as being outdebated on Trump, I've already provided that for you.

Again we've been over this verbatim and it ended in your ZOG safespace. It's all in this thread.



identical to



Suplexed by



And by now you might be beginning to understand why I often duck out of discussions here because when you actually remember things you see that they often repeat themselves almost verbatim. I'm not a fan of having the same discussion twice. It was hard just to talk to Melon about welfare (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221947&highlight=nephew&page=7) and poverty because we've had that exact same discussion before too.

it painful because you been battling the same phantom, that I am suggesting giving people money will make them do nothing. I wasn't suggesting that there, I wasn't suggesting it in my last post. you continue to debate that point though because it easier to defeat. it not my argument though. my argument is that we should not subsidize failure, which I am confident we agree on. what we disagree on is the nature of help and I am not sure how we reconcile that. will you consider my anecdotes on teaching and offer an alternative explanation of the actual mechanism at hand or why paying for someone to live does not constitute paying for them to live? the only way your argument makes sense is if you believe people are all fundamentally the same and that the only differences between them result from their environments. do you believe that?

I understand you want to help people. I just don't believe those aspirations, no matter how loving they may be to the individual, are in the best interest of humanity. giving people things may make them happy, but it is not always in everyone's best interest or even their own best interest to do so. children like candy, but feeding them candy at every meal is not good for they teeth. alcoholics like alcohol, but giving them alcohol is not good for them or they families. exhibitionists like performing publicly, but it not good to have body fluids all over the table at McDonalds. lions like meat, but covering you naked self with steaks is not a good way of feeding them.

[Daywolf]

It's posts like this all over that invalidate the "Trump is a good guy, were peaceful, want unity, were good guys" thing. Basically it's saying "I support a faggot Trump and I'm a massive faggotfaced fuck who can't even begin to fathom war, cowardly as fuck man".

Ya'll are fucking trolls and assholes. If you want war, fine, but bitches can make war, it's not like dumbassary male war where people line up and rattle spears and shoot eachother.

You are all going to die if you call for war. I promise you that.

^^ not a threat. Just a statement of cold hard bloody facts. My bad if you feel threatened. It's not my intention. I am not worried about you bringing war. That's why "librulz" (aka moderate sane people) aren't all "OMG NO WARZ all over." We are tired of your dumb retarded shit. It would be a nice exercise routine to end you in war. I would relish it. I'm not a dumbass who's going to call for it though.

See, guys, this is a prime example of like what I'm saying about Bill Nye - get him anywhere near a nuclear reactor and there is going to be a full meltdown. It's inevitable, and likely in a quite delusional way too, same as the above quote. :rolleyes:

[bigjerry]

butt eaurope do it and there in good shape

[bigjerry]

I am not a Christian in the slightest bit my son. Some would consider me a creationist, but not in the traditional sense.

I only refer to our Architect as "God" so the masses will understand that "It" calls the shots, not these feeble minded primates who became self aware.

A transgendered human changes the chemistry of their body, therefore fiddling with our Architect's work. This is what is known to humans as a sin, and results in what humans call "hell".



Open your eyes or die eternally at the core of a distant star.

damn this is woke

i got theories who my nword here be but ima keep that on the lo

[Daywolf]

butt eaurope do it and there in good shape
Well you know, you know, by design it'll fail. Out of the ashes the phoenix will rise. Same with the US, our ticking time bomb being the huge debt rang up by our globalist establishment elite politicians in recent years. It'll all fall. There will be a purge. Then they will raise the true intended NWO world govt. McCain was just out touring Europe last week praising the NWO. They haven't given up, they know the collapse is inevitable, as well as war.

Stock up some, avoid the camps. Look at what they just did in Londonstan, SAS troops on the streets now, permanently. It's coming.

[maskedmelonpai]

tbh, if US fall into chaos and war zone, i hope the first nuclear bomb land on my home and vape me in my sleeps. no interest in surviving with batteries and sticks and stuff.

[bigjerry]

i got griefed off the forums

[Daywolf]

See? I told you guys that was a Ma0 alt troll account, and self trolling etc heh he's done it before.
tbh, if US fall into chaos and war zone, i hope the first nuclear bomb land on my home and vape me in my sleeps. no interest in surviving with batteries and sticks and stuff.
That's what they are counting on. Try turning off smart phone data a few days, ween yourself off of it. They know people will have withdrawals, take to the streets, where you wont want to be at that time. First month or so would be the most rotten.

I don't think the US will be vaporized, they want the farming lands here. But then again it's all been poisoned with GMO crops, so they may just take it as a loss, if need be. Anyway, you are thinking mass exchange? Nah, it'll mostly be riots etc. HRC and 0bama were taking it to MAD levels, but now I think the worst we would get are EMP's here, which would still be devastating over time, especially to the food chain. I'm more concerned about nuclear reactors being knocked out due to power loss. Best to have a bug-out plan if near one or downwind from one.

Economic meltdown is the key here, they don't want to vaporize the world, just collapse the govts and put something else in it's place. At the same time though, a war would serve to make sure countries like Russia and China have no real competing currency which the NWO wants to control world-wide. China is poised to move up the food chain of currency with a gold backed system, of course after being given much of our gold while they supporting globalism ... of which they likely plan to smash in favor of Chinese imperial rule.

Basic income is just a diversion, to keep eyes off of the slight of hand in the big picture.

[Jarnauga]

Daywolf is right

The french just launched a chemical attack on New York

see: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5g72to_la-patrouille-de-france-a-survole-new-york_news

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

:p

PS: i love when Daywolf says that war is coming when he was the one saying that he was voting trump to prevent world war 3 that hillary and her moloch followers would have started :rolleyes:

[nilzark]

tbh, if US fall into chaos and war zone, i hope the first nuclear bomb land on my home and vape me in my sleeps. no interest in surviving with batteries and sticks and stuff.

Basically, No Everquest, basically ... unless you do that pencil paper shit

[Domo]

I dont have much clue about american politics, but could it be that the hardcore Trump supporters dont care if they lose there jobs, healthcare etc. as long the Democrats are crying?

[Pokesan]

Basically, No Everquest, basically ... unless you do that pencil paper shit

give me rolemaster or give me death

[Pokesan]

those bird monsters look familiar, that's who goblet was last time.

[maskedmelonpai]

no, they just don't believe that gonna happen. there too much information for everyone to be authority on everything, so everyone just choose to believe whatever they prefer. the world no longer based on fact. progs understand that reality conform to they own delusion, cons always known that. it exciting to see overlap appearing in they delusions though. it not be long until we have thoroughly rid ourselves of reason and welcome a new dawn of idiocy.

[Daywolf]

no, they just don't believe that gonna happen. there too much information for everyone to be authority on everything, so everyone just choose to believe whatever they prefer. the world no longer based on fact. progs understand that reality conform to they own delusion, cons always known that. it exciting to see overlap appearing in they delusions though. it not be long until we have thoroughly rid ourselves of reason and welcome a new dawn of idiocy.
There is plenty of truth still around, absolute truths, lies don't make truth relative. One doesn't need to know every detail to realize how the chips are going to fall, especially since the same things happens again and again through history but with just different subtle flavors.

Just like you look into the sky, see a blazing sunset, know a storm is coming. Then see the clouds gathering, turn black, shadow beneath, it happens time and time again to no surprise. That is an absolute truth. It's destined. But if you stay indoors and never look out into the sky, doesn't change what will happen, only how you deal with it after the storm hits, to stay frosty or to not.

It's not even a secret, they have been pronouncing their plans for decades. They even see to it that it seeps into modern entertainment, such as movies and music, so that when it happens, you are less resistant, maybe even welcome it as some here. That's not new either. They mold your thinking so to accept the chains they offer.

There is a constant. It may twist and slither like a snake, but always headed in the same direction, to the same end-goal. What if I told you that Morpheus never said "What if I told you..."? :eek:

[Ahldagor]

There is plenty of truth still around, absolute truths, lies don't make truth relative. One doesn't need to know every detail to realize how the chips are going to fall, especially since the same things happens again and again through history but with just different subtle flavors.

Just like you look into the sky, see a blazing sunset, know a storm is coming. Then see the clouds gathering, turn black, shadow beneath, it happens time and time again to no surprise. That is an absolute truth. It's destined. But if you stay indoors and never look out into the sky, doesn't change what will happen, only how you deal with it after the storm hits, to stay frosty or to not.

It's not even a secret, they have been pronouncing their plans for decades. They even see to it that it seeps into modern entertainment, such as movies and music, so that when it happens, you are less resistant, maybe even welcome it as some here. That's not new either. They mold your thinking so to accept the chains they offer.

There is a constant. It may twist and slither like a snake, but always headed in the same direction, to the same end-goal. What if I told you that Morpheus never said "What if I told you..."? :eek:

All this coming from the person that thinks reality is the plot of Final Fantasy 15.....

[Pokesan]

with the planned obsolence of the petrodollar, boipucci will become the new currency by which nations rise and fall

[Daywolf]

All this coming from the person that thinks reality is the plot of Final Fantasy 15.....
I know nothing of FF, I'm not a console player. Please don't store any food and water, Al d Gore :) Just get the next FF and trust govt will worry for your well being.

[bigjerry]

world class post in my sig

[Ahldagor]

I know nothing of FF, I'm not a console player. Please don't store any food and water, Al d Gore :) Just get the next FF and trust govt will worry for your well being.

So you're a Disney shill. Makes sense.

[bigjerry]

i gotta remove the sig its too gay it kinda poisons a top quality quote. but man i dig it alot be proud buddy

[Psionide]

Last 4 pages pretty legit example of why Sirken had to come to the rescue of off topic :eek:.

[bigjerry]

i agree more seriousposting by fart sniffing goys please

[AzzarTheGod]

Your petty politics mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Your life is meaningless. Do the chosen a favor and publicly hang yourselves.

I have too much "work" to do before I meet MY lord and savior.

Not much changes century after century, does it?

suspected beast identified I'm going in for a closer look

[bigjerry]

It is possible to know enough to make well informed decisions without full on cognitive dissonance.

sounds gr8 til u realize the person saying it is a nonpassing tranny

[Lune]

http://meanlefthook.com/2017/03/dafuq-steve-bannon-wanted-guy-potus-chose-trump/

What is this? That website it just the worst. I thought the left couldn't get worse than Fox News but they did it. Don't read that shit

[maskedmelon]

Hey Lune, i was sincere when I was asking why you don't recognize charity as a subsidy of failure. if you still thinking on it that fine, just didn't want to see you dismiss it as troll or unfounded. it taken me probably a year and a half of concerted thought tagged into years of other considerations to arrive at my present conclusion. it not stray thought I adopted from dead men and while I confident in it, i not married to it. it speaks to a very bleak reality if it true, but I've long since learned that reason is indifferent and delivers uncomfortable truths as often as it does not.

Does the good fortune of your life circumstance weigh heavily in your belief? i mean do you look at your personal aptitude and accomplishments and attribute them in whole to the opportunities afforded by growing up financially well off? Do you deny yourself, your family and your upbringing any credit for the person you are? are you convinced that had you not been born into financial stability that it would have forever eluded you? what of your siblings?

[bigjerry]

more importantly tho, is you're life truely one of good fortune if you turn out gay?

[Lune]

Hey Lune, i was sincere when I was asking why you don't charity as a subsidy of failure. if you still thinking on it that fine, just didn't want to see you dismiss it as troll or unfounded. it taken me probably a year and a half of concerted thought tagged into years of other considerations to arrive at my present conclusion. it not stray thought I adopted from dead men and while I confident in it, i not married to it. it speaks to a very bleak reality if it true, but I've long since learned that reason is indifferent and delivers uncomfortable truths as often as it does not.

Does the good fortune of your life circumstance weigh heavily in your belief? i mean do you look at your personal aptitude and accomplishments and attribute them in whole to the opportunities afforded by growing up financially well off? Do you deny yourself, your family and your upbringing any credit for the person you are? are you convinced that had you not been born into financial stability that it would have forever eluded you? what of your siblings?

I don't see charity as a subsidy of failure because there are so many damaging things about poverty that contribute to making it heritable, infectious, and persistent. This is established sociological fact. Also, basic income is not charity, it is for everyone, and I view it as a dividend for your part ownership of this nation's wealth as an American citizen. I disagree with the notion that money is the end-all be-all driver of self improvement, which is closely related. However, there is a lot more to it than that, culture is a big part of it, racism, etc, and it's the main reason why you can't just hand people money to get them out of poverty. But something like basic income goes a long way toward not only fixing the problem, but also saving the rest of society from some of the damage and blight of poverty.

I know for a fact I would be in a terrible position if it weren't for my upbringing, and the high expectations of my parents. I'm not an ambitious person. How successful somebody is is a combination of their inherent personal strength and upbringing.

Think of life like a marathon footrace. Everyone starts at different spots according to the opportunities given to them. Some people run really fast and some people run really slow. Some people are born a mile from the finish line (Donald Trump, George Bush) and still get passed by people born near the starting line (Steve Jobs, George Lucas, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett), because they are just so fucking fast. Given that I will never be as successful as my parents, I literally walked backwards, but I'm still further than hundreds of millions of people will ever get in their lifetime by virtue of inheritance alone.

I'll give you the example I gave in the other thread you never responded to:

Yes, exceptional individuals will often improve their station. However, the presence of opportunities, support, and pathways out of poverty not only make it easier for someone to climb out, but also help negate the deleterious effects poverty has on human capital. If you consider the opportunities I had being born rich, to my nephew who was born to a fat white trash druggie mother (drank alcohol while pregnant) and abusive absentee father, who the fuck do you think is going to grow into a more capable person 9 times out of 10? I had a fucking godlike education, excellent nutrition, an extensive support network, great healthcare, my parents paid for my bachelors. I would have to have been completely retarded not to "succeed". Compare that to if I grew up in poverty, and it would have been much more difficult.

Consider the US military, which is in many ways a welfare program for young males. All the myriad benefits that come from military service, including the GI bill, veterans preference points for countless occupations, professional development, occupational training, VA healthcare, etc etc, end up being a springboard out of poverty for many individuals.


I especially like the military example. The military pulls a LOT of people out of poverty, including my dad and my cousin.

My siblings are all fuckups except for my sisters, but being a woman is easy.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://meanlefthook.com/2017/03/dafuq-steve-bannon-wanted-guy-potus-chose-trump/

The rest, as they say, is history. And it may wind up leading to the complete destruction of the country.

WHOOO wahahaha UGHH UGHH *Disturbed band's lead vocalist growls at the UGH UGH part*

WHOOOOO WHAHAAH UGHH UGHHH


WHOOOO WAHAHAHA UGHHH UGHH



El garbo

[Lune]

WHOOO wahahaha UGHH UGHH *Disturbed band's lead vocalist growls at the UGH UGH part*

WHOOOOO WHAHAAH UGHH UGHHH


WHOOOO WAHAHAHA UGHHH UGHH



El garbo

great song great post fantastic vocalist it turns out

[AzzarTheGod]

great song great post fantastic vocalist it turns out

my visceral reaction to having clicked and read the link.

words didn't cover it.

[Pokesan]

darwinian evolution doesn't apply to human society melon

smoke and ponder

[Ahldagor]

darwinian evolution doesn't apply to human society melon

smoke and ponder

But the captains of industry said it did in the Texas-highschool textbooks.

[Ahldagor]

I had fun crashing my computer trying to click through the hyperlink to the sites main contact info, actual crash, browser hung. Anyway Ads + news = scum. I still believe (know) Bannon and Sessions are complete fascist dbags though (through their own actions and words, I do not need an outside news media to tell me that).



Butttttt!!!! How do we make Star Trek happen?!!! Don't we HAAVE to go through some dystopian horror shock which traumatizes us into being good little hoooomans?



Texas probably had better textbooks than most of the country... well some of Texas. Not going to speak for some of those weird communities full of Jehovah's witnesses.

In my school in rural hick town Florida I learned a lot of good things in history and econ - my teachers where A+. However, I was like, the only kid who paid attention.

Did you know that like, an actual prostitute sat on the thrown of Constantinople?



How very Christian of the crusaders! O.o

I consider Sir Steven Runciman a valid source for REAL news from the sacking of Constantinople! (actually I didn't bother to look up wikipedias citation) but these things don't matter with common knowledge, like Sir Steven Runciman's account.

I love huuuuu-mans.

Don't. Smoke. Meth.

[bigjerry]

darwinian evolution at its root is game theory that applies to any self replicating system. It's obfuscated under human consciousness in society (the selection pressures inducing death of an "organism" appear harder to understand) but it's still there and human ideologies definitely qualify. In fact this is part of the Lune argument re: poverty too, that it feeds a replicating blight. it's a nonsequitur, both parties already took it as a given cuz it is.

you could argue it aint Darwinian since he may not have understood this I guess, but ur the one bringing his name into this. really the fundamental thesis of darwinism applies to stuff from linguistics to systems of government and religion to bacterial colonies tho.

read some pre-aids dawkins get woke.

[Ahldagor]

darwinian evolution at its root is game theory that applies to any self replicating system. It's obfuscated under human consciousness in society (the selection pressures inducing death of an "organism" appear harder to understand) but it's still there and human ideologies definitely qualify. In fact this is part of the Lune argument re: poverty too, that it feeds a replicating blight. it's a nonsequitur, both parties already took it as a given cuz it is.

you could argue it aint Darwinian since he may not have understood this I guess, but ur the one bringing his name into this. really the fundamental thesis of darwinism applies to stuff from linguistics to systems of government and religion to bacterial colonies tho.

read some pre-aids dawkins get woke.

https://archive.org/stream/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-TheUnabombersManifesto/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-theUnabombersManifesto_djvu.txt

Alarm clocks don't work, but condition.

[Pokesan]

darwinian evolution at its root is game theory that applies to any self replicating system. It's obfuscated under human consciousness in society (the selection pressures inducing death of an "organism" appear harder to understand) but it's still there and human ideologies definitely qualify. In fact this is part of the Lune argument re: poverty too, that it feeds a replicating blight. it's a nonsequitur, both parties already took it as a given cuz it is.

you could argue it aint Darwinian since he may not have understood this I guess, but ur the one bringing his name into this. really the fundamental thesis of darwinism applies to stuff from linguistics to systems of government and religion to bacterial colonies tho.

read some pre-aids dawkins get woke.

anything is anything if we wanna pretend words have whatever meaning suits us at the time

[Ahldagor]

anything is anything if we wanna pretend words have whatever meaning suits us at the time

Dude, you can't point out subjective fallacies and be correct since the argument is what the user makes it.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Hey Lune, i was sincere when I was asking why you don't recognize charity as a subsidy of failure. if you still thinking on it that fine, just didn't want to see you dismiss it as troll or unfounded. it taken me probably a year and a half of concerted thought tagged into years of other considerations to arrive at my present conclusion. it not stray thought I adopted from dead men and while I confident in it, i not married to it. it speaks to a very bleak reality if it true, but I've long since learned that reason is indifferent and delivers uncomfortable truths as often as it does not.

Does the good fortune of your life circumstance weigh heavily in your belief? i mean do you look at your personal aptitude and accomplishments and attribute them in whole to the opportunities afforded by growing up financially well off? Do you deny yourself, your family and your upbringing any credit for the person you are? are you convinced that had you not been born into financial stability that it would have forever eluded you? what of your siblings?

Your life is what you make of it. Government or Big Whatever is just a F ing excuse to blame your sorry @$$ failure on someone or something else, that is the specialty of most Americans these days. That goes for whatever your politics are, lack of subsidies, or too much regulation, either way, that is a BS excuse for your failure in life.

[Ahldagor]

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39427026

So Trump will liberate through increased corporate monitoring?

[Ahldagor]

Your life is what you make of it. Government or Big Whatever is just a F ing excuse to blame your sorry @$$ failure on someone or something else, that is the specialty of most Americans these days. That goes for whatever your politics are, lack of subsidies, or too much regulation, either way, that is a BS excuse for your failure in life.

It's not exactly what one makes of it in a physical, tangible, sensory-bodily sense. Tho' we gave 'em hell, we gave 'em HELL! Do we only need to keep workin' cause it pays rent?

[Daywolf]

hah Darwin...
You got it backwards, you all are getting more stupid and retarded by the day. But before all life de-evolves into goo, maybe they will upload your consciousness into a computer chip where you can be plugged into and operate a trash compactor for a billion years+ or as long as there are replacement parts to last.
trannyhumanism?

[bigjerry]

It's not exactly what one makes of it in a physical, tangible, sensory-bodily sense. Tho' we gave 'em hell, we gave 'em HELL! Do we only need to keep workin' cause it pays rent?

we need to keep workin because being useful pieces of economy is the only reason for our continued existence, aside from providing a bigger population pool for wealthy jewish men to take top tier bovine growth hormone-enhanced boipucci from. but that's an economy in itself. basically we need jewish demand for boipucci and dug ditches to outweigh demand for clear land to hunt on and fear of overconsumption/pollution of the chosen's rightful inheritance, the earth, by too much livestock. thats why its important we say global warming is a fraud no matter what and view alot of porn

[AzzarTheGod]

we need to keep workin because being useful pieces of economy is the only reason for our continued existence, aside from providing a bigger population pool for wealthy jewish men to take top tier bovine growth hormone-enhanced boipucci from. but that's an economy in itself. basically we need jewish demand for boipucci and dug ditches to outweigh demand for clear land to hunt on and fear of overconsumption/pollution of the chosen's rightful inheritance, the earth, by too much livestock. thats why its important we say global warming is a fraud no matter what and view alot of porn

havent read this post yet but saw a few trigger words, assuming its pretty woke right now.

slated for later.

[Ahldagor]

havent read this post yet but saw a few trigger words, assuming its pretty woke right now.

slated for later.

It's standard aniti-ZOG bullshit. Saved you the time.

[bigjerry]

do u think joseph conrad knew when he wrote harrison bergeron that the bergers would be the ones resisting the liberal nwo? or was the name a coincidence? it's an odd synchronicity.

[bigjerry]

zog is like cuck. first its good then its played then u gotta ride it out, u gotta stick with it thru the dark times to the post-ironic phase where it rages ahldagors and lunes.

I made the mistake of getting off the cuck train during the dark times, I didn't ride cuck thru to the post-ironic phase so I couldn't be the Scion of Cuckery. in my way I was an ahldagor. but I will be the Prognosticator of Zoglodism. i dedicate my forum life to this mission.

[Lune]

This century is going to be fun, I recommend viewing Children of Men (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VbR6AM0ft8) as an orientation video to the coming refugee crisis and a peek into your children's world. Movie is truly prophetic.

http://i.imgur.com/G9Gu5sP.gif

[bigjerry]

a truly chilling gif

[AzzarTheGod]

zog is like cuck. first its good then its played then u gotta ride it out, u gotta stick with it thru the dark times to the post-ironic phase where it rages ahldagors and lunes.

I made the mistake of getting off the cuck train during the dark times, I didn't ride cuck thru to the post-ironic phase so I couldn't be the Scion of Cuckery. in my way I was an ahldagor. but I will be the Prognosticator of Zoglodism. i dedicate my forum life to this mission.

still doing pizzagate trolls.

I'll slide in a fastball at the end of a convo "yea I guess you're more of a cheese guy". as I nod my head with a smiling finality and start bodylanguage to end the interaction.

*has no idea what I just said, convo is over so he gets on with it* he says "Yep. I'll see ya". -Lune

"Alright man, I'll talk to ya! Be safe" - Azzar

alternatively I'll recommend the comet pizza shop if we're discussing food.

[bigjerry]

that's not trolling tho that's just being a white rabbit w red pills in his pettycoat

[AzzarTheGod]

that's not trolling tho that's just being a white rabbit w red pills in his pettycoat

true im cloudy atm got some food poisoning from heavy chipotle sauce. never again.

ur posts have been lucid af lately, carrying the whole forum on ur back. that nintendo switch thread whoooweeee esp in light of other factors I can't discuss its a certified beast.

[bigjerry]

j got forum post so beast a nintendo submissive rise like yeast. feel pleasure til resistance cease. the n@gg@ rly like 2 tease* (*pronunciated like dita von)

[Pokesan]

what is more powerful, people or ideas?

http://i.imgur.com/pYz7GAE.jpg

[bigjerry]

ideas r bulletproof, much like big Don in his $100k Kevlar suit

[entruil]

what is more powerful, people or ideas?


Didn't read what this was about ...

The thing is if everyone want sthe government to take care of everybody and punish certain people for no reason other than made up bullshit then ok but we better damn well come to a consensus about it... gl with that...

People are far too willing to give up their responsibilities to an almighty government hell bent on keeping them in a box... but hey... maybe most people need to be kept in a box... Oh Wait...

[bigjerry]

yo the layout of this thread changed a bit who got deleted?

[Lune]

Sirks makin changes

http://i.imgur.com/HEmc0Ym.gif

[AzzarTheGod]

yo the layout of this thread changed a bit who got deleted?

I'm detecting possible account deletion activity in sector 13.

goblet.exe are u still with us?

Confirmed he's ok. Investigation turned up an additional alignment anomaly in a recent PvP server chat thread, confirmed an account was deleted but I don't know who

[Ahldagor]

Welcome to the Russian Federation VISA application process. We hope you enjoy your stay.

[bigjerry]

Sirks makin changes

http://i.imgur.com/HEmc0Ym.gif

whoa this gif is actually woke as fuck how it applies to a forum. like im seein the same post walk past the same doorway again that's how i know the lisping machine is doin its thing for zog.

sidebar why didn't they explain to neo to watch for deja vu before they brought him on a mission? like they not even gonna tell him the telltale sign of detection until he speaks up like "whoa guys im high as fuck" while they already in the belly of the beast? then theyre all like lock and load guys deja vu is a top priority warning sign.

double sidebar the reason matrix 2 and 3 sucked is the original scripts where at the top level of the pyramid in real life outside the matrix there's a group of human talmudists controlling the machines got detected & thrown out. the bukkake brothers were then mkultra'd into becoming incest trannies to stunt their wokeness. this was a wikileak way back during cablegate but even alex jones is too frightened to report on it.

[AzzarTheGod]

whoa this gif is actually woke as fuck how it applies to a forum. like im seein the same post walk past the same doorway again that's how i know the lisping machine is doin its thing for zog.

sidebar why didn't they explain to neo to watch for deja vu before they brought him on a mission? like they not even gonna tell him the telltale sign of detection until he speaks up like "whoa guys im high as fuck" while they already in the belly of the beast? then theyre all like lock and load guys deja vu is a top priority warning sign.

double sidebar the reason matrix 2 and 3 sucked is the original scripts where at the top level of the pyramid in real life outside the matrix there's a group of human talmudists controlling the machines got detected & thrown out. the bukkake brothers were then mkultra'd into becoming incest trannies to stunt their wokeness. this was a wikileak way back during cablegate but even alex jones is too frightened to report on it.

2 and 3 weren't that bad if you read a guide on why they are written that way and a narrow interpretation of what 2 and 3 are supposed to mean.

2 is really good. 3 is where people started feeling 2 was a step in the wrong direction.

The machine land was supposed to be another level of the matricks and that was supposed to be made clear in 3 but they sidebar'd it for the love plot, etc.

[bigjerry]

did u ref pwned.nl right there? be honest

[bigjerry]

lol Comey got worse opsec hiding his troll accounts than me. this n@gg@ probably installs toolbars

[JurisDictum]

So it looks like Trump is going to try to work with Democrats on Tax reform:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-tax-reform-democrats-236725

Keep in mind he obviously spoke a lot about tax reform since the dawn of his political persona. He probably cares a hell of a more about that than healthcare.

Administration officials say Trump — who is transactional and strongly wants to get to yes — didn't appreciate the dynamics of the House Freedom Caucus on health care and is eager to build a bipartisan coalition for tax reform. And Marc Short, the president's legislative affairs director, has begun inviting Democrats to the White House.

Turns out not even Trump and Ryan together can move the "just say no" caucus.

[Ahldagor]

And War were declared upon the Freedom Caucus. Godking Trump shall ravage the hypernationalistic libertarians who elected him, right?

[bigjerry]

And War were declared upon the Freedom Caucus. Godking Trump shall ravage the hypernationalistic libertarians who elected him, right?

my lord will contest zog whichever goy he animates

[AzzarTheGod]

So it looks like Trump is going to try to work with Democrats on Tax reform:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-tax-reform-democrats-236725

Keep in mind he obviously spoke a lot about tax reform since the dawn of his political persona. He probably cares a hell of a more about that than healthcare.



Turns out not even Trump and Ryan together can move the "just say no" caucus.

LMAO @ just say no caucus

My zega Trump will move the house to sack Ryan if necessary. It's ultimately his fault and his job to mobilize the votes and alter the bill

[Lune]

hypernationalistic libertarians

That's an oxymoron.

I have trouble calling Tea Partiers nationalist if they are literally there for the sole purpose of destroying the federal government and providing kickbacks to corporations and people like the Koch brothers. I have trouble calling someone a patriot if they shut down the government and caused degradation of our credit rating, making it more expensive for the country to borrow money, sabotaging all of society for the sake of their narrow agenda. Creationists, climate science deniers, I could go on.

It does bring me pleasure though being reminded that the Republican majority isn't actually a majority because the party is so shattered and obstructive they can't even govern.

[Lune]

LMAO @ just say no caucus

My zega Trump will move the house to sack Ryan if necessary. It's ultimately his fault and his job to mobilize the votes and alter the bill

Boner couldn't do it and he was the fucking Lizard King. Don't see how you think that little twinky cuck Ryan could get it done.

[Ahldagor]

That's an oxymoron.

I have trouble calling Tea Partiers nationalist if they are literally there for the sole purpose of destroying the federal government and providing kickbacks to corporations and people like the Koch brothers. I have trouble calling someone a patriot if they shut down the government and caused degradation of our credit rating, making it more expensive for the country to borrow money, sabotaging all of society for the sake of their narrow agenda. Creationists, climate science deniers, I could go on.

It does bring me pleasure though being reminded that the Republican majority isn't actually a majority because the party is so shattered and obstructive they can't even govern.

It's along the lines of the ultimate romantic act being killing the thing you love, but such folks stuck in that Platonic loop don't get out of it. President Trump's gonna have his hands full. Should be entertaining.

[maskedmelon]

sorry I take so long to respond to this ^^ I been so super busy lately >.<

I don't see charity as a subsidy of failure because there are so many damaging things about poverty that contribute to making it heritable, infectious, and persistent.

it is important to understand that the reason you do not see charity as a subsidy of failure is because you believe:

1. poverty is the source of the negative conditions associated with it
2. charity effectively remedies poverty, the source of negative conditions associated with poverty.

If you do not believe either of those things, your position does not make sense. i contend that poverty is not the source, which you seem to agree with at least in part below.

This is established sociological fact.

the idea that poverty is damaging, hereditable and infectious is, yes.

Also, basic income is not charity, it is for everyone, and I view it as a dividend for your part ownership of this nation's wealth as an American citizen.

that's fine. not really sure what I think about that view other than it is still free money that more effectively subsidizes the lifestyles of the least successful individuals than any other group. I think on it some more. at the moment though I can say that eliminating birth right citizenship as you suggested makes it more sensible. There are all sorts of things we can do to make it more sensible though.

I disagree with the notion that money is the end-all be-all driver of self improvement, which is closely related. However, there is a lot more to it than that, culture is a big part of it, racism, etc, and it's the main reason why you can't just hand people money to get them out of poverty.

But something like basic income goes a long way toward not only fixing the problem, but also saving the rest of society from some of the damage and blight of poverty.

Either I fundamentally misunderstand the nature of basic income, which is entirely possible ^^;, or you are expressing cognitive dissonance. how is basic income not giving people money?

I know for a fact I would be in a terrible position if it weren't for my upbringing, and the high expectations of my parents. I'm not an ambitious person. How successful somebody is is a combination of their inherent personal strength and upbringing.

i agree with this. i am wildly unambitious too ^^ how large a component of upbringing would you say wealth is? I mean out of all the things parents give you, how important is money. you make a very god analogy below about life as a marathon and money as a head start. I believe discipline, knowledge, goal setting and reason are infinitely more important than money. it is after all why trump and bush are passed up by buffet and jobs.

Think of life like a marathon footrace. Everyone starts at different spots according to the opportunities given to them. Some people run really fast and some people run really slow. Some people are born a mile from the finish line (Donald Trump, George Bush) and still get passed by people born near the starting line (Steve Jobs, George Lucas, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett), because they are just so fucking fast. Given that I will never be as successful as my parents, I literally walked backwards, but I'm still further than hundreds of millions of people will ever get in their lifetime by virtue of inheritance alone.

I'll give you the example I gave in the other thread you never responded to:



I especially like the military example. The military pulls a LOT of people out of poverty, including my dad and my cousin.

My siblings are all fuckups except for my sisters, but being a woman is easy.

im sorry I didn't respond to that originally. I'm not sure why I didn't ^^ probably was thinking about it. The military really is a fantastic example of how to best extricate people from poverty though. It does exactly what I argue needs to be done. it is a very poor substantiation of the efficacy of basic income though because it is radically different and here's why I say that: those who join the military become property of the government and are retrained as if children to be functional citizens. It teaches people discipline and goal setting and respect and work ethic among other things. people don't walk out of the military and succeed because they've been given free room and board and schooling in exchange for promising to kill people. It's the lifestyle changes that the military compels, which allow people to succeed by effectively utilizing the other resources available to them there and beyond.

your comment on the rest of your siblings (similar to my own, though my parents are nowhere near wealthy despite having risen from significantly humbler beginnings). It speaks to the problem though and and that is, even if you are able to lift a man from poverty, train him to overcome his deficiencies, he still carries them and will generally be unable to effectively issue the necessary training to his children to overcome the innate deficiencies most of us face. Certainly his strengthened financial position will afford more opportunities for positive change, but the change is still left to chance. That is what I dislike about it. you are investing resources in conditions which may improve, but will certainly proliferate. it is a gamble and I see it as an unwise investment. I do not believe there are sufficient resources to elevate the billions who exist impoverished and the billions more who will spring from their loins.

[maskedmelon]

That's an oxymoron.

it is

climate science deniers...

how is climate science denial not nationalistic? I mean it is pursuing energy policy that does not hamstring the competitive ability of your nation, while foreign nations eituer hamstring themselves, or are more likely to suffer the consequences of your actions. don't forget that even the church of climate science acknowledges that while the world is warming, the United States is cooling and even within the US, those likely to suffer the most are those who would be displaced by automation anyway. Clinging to fossil fuels and denying climate science is simply exercising our competitive advantage at the expense of foreign entities. sounds pretty nationalistic to me.

[maskedmelon]

darwinian evolution doesn't apply to human society melon

smoke and ponder

not sure what you trying to say here, Pokes ^^;. I didn't say it does and wasn't drawing any parallels either. J has the right of it though in that the idea that "conditions favored within a system will proliferate" is a fundamental truth of nature applicable to every system. Whether you want to call that darwisnim or game theory or common sense is up to you. the truth though is that nature does not favor excellence. it favors 'good enough' and modern society has significantly reduced that standard. I foresee humanity presently evolving toward something like ants ^^

[maskedmelon]

https://archive.org/stream/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-TheUnabombersManifesto/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-theUnabombersManifesto_djvu.txt

Alarm clocks don't work, but condition.

that a really long article. he make a super good point under "Leftism, 13." where he indicates that leftists consider many groups inferior. that is true. One must fundamentally believe a group inferior at least in some regard to feel that he, the individual, is capable of helping them, the group, or to even believe that they, the group, are in need of help. leftism is a pandering to ego alongside placation of conscience. interstiny, those are defining characteristics of christianity too, which is funny when you consider that while christian philosophy is largely leftist, most christians in the US lean right simply out of adherence to tradition and the inability to reconcile uncomfortable truths with their own beliefs.

[Pokesan]

not sure what you trying to say here, Pokes ^^;. I didn't say it does and wasn't drawing any parallels either. J has the right of it though in that the idea that "conditions favored within a system will proliferate" is a fundamental truth of nature applicable to every system. Whether you want to call that darwisnim or game theory or common sense is up to you. the truth though is that nature does not favor excellence. it favors 'good enough' and modern society has significantly reduced that standard. I foresee humanity presently evolving toward something like ants ^^

if we're gonna we brutal about it, code propagation is the only naked virtue.

that's what survival is. you've often argued to restrict reproduction based on fiat pixel accumulation. how do you justify denying destiny to yourself and others based on hebrew economics?

but i don't think you're dishonest, just misguided.

[maskedmelon]

if we're gonna we brutal about it, code propagation is the only naked virtue.

the guiding principal is minimizing suffering through actualization of mankind. a sentient manager is necessary to establishing universal order and as the most enlightened species on this wet rock, that thankless task falls to man.

that's what survival is.

not all of us should survive, or even exist. if we are to maximize utility, some of us must relinquish our own.

you've often argued to restrict reproduction based on fiat pixel accumulation. how do you justify denying destiny to yourself and others based on hebrew economics?

no, I've argued for material restrictions on the upper end, because it will not hinder genuinely superior conditions, while demoting inferior ones. restricting reproduction to average or superior conditions elevates the mean. qualifying reproduction does not necessitate it be based solely on material assets. to the contrary, there are a great many considerations that ought be included in condoning reproduction.

i don't like problems and do not wish to be he source thereof, most especially unto those I care about. that is the reason i will not seek to replicate myself. I am flawed and I am ok with that, but there are good things in me and if i am able to spread those that they might endure to benefit humanity, then i will. i'll not propagate my own deficiencies though out of hope that my strengths may survive, or the more common need for care and companionship in age.

but i don't think you're dishonest, just misguided.

im neither. my guiding principals are doubt and compassion subservient to the impartial command of reason. if anything i am lost ^^

but that is why i ask ^^