******Official politics thread ******

[Wonkie]

I'm not gaslighting.

You actually said this.

whatever you say Durr Soldat

[Wonkie]

not gaslighting but chapo trap house is gay

i know this w/o ever having listened

the reddit has funny memes but its absolute poison for your brain

[ScaringChildren]

the reddit has funny memes but its absolute poison for your brain

See? You admit to going to the child rape subreddits

[Throndor]

No wonder why he took such offense to my Foucaltian/Derridian critiques.

Stay away from my children, you sick fuck!

[ScaringChildren]

Stay away from my children, you sick fuck!

[Wonkie]

you're pushing the envelope a bit far with this one, settle down pls

[Throndor]

you're pushing the envelope a bit far with this one, settle down pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jJh-B4KWxU

[ScaringChildren]

you're pushing the envelope a bit far with this one, settle down pls

I can't keep your dirty little secret anymore. People need to know.

[Wonkie]

I can't keep your dirty little secret anymore. People need to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDLCyWNrrXw&t=2m25s

[ScaringChildren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDLCyWNrrXw&t=2m25s

I'd NEVER take a photo with a self-admitted, and convicted serial child sex offender

(didn't know John Kasich was in Ironman 2)

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/hoF32nW_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/hoF32nW_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Swallowing live animal whole foods like a snake will extend your life by 5-20%

[Wonkie]

she really is unfortunate looking

[Irulan]

she really is unfortunate looking

Rolled a troll for that extra regeneration.

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/TQ7ocKi.jpg

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/TQ7ocKi.jpg

*swipes right*

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/3WRmTdC.jpg

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/3WRmTdC.jpg

*saved to disk*

[misterbonkers]

https://twitter.com/AnonymousQ1776/status/1080594276831047680

get her out of office

how dare she have fun

[Irulan]

https://twitter.com/AnonymousQ1776/status/1080594276831047680

get her out of office

how dare she have fun

This is the inevitable future more than likely. Ppl who are scared mad are most likely swimming against the current.

Sometimes it's alright to get swept out too sea n have a nice sunny floaty day b4 u drown.

[Irulan]

Mark Vanlandingham (@marsadale) Tweeted:
@ChvrchLights @AnonymousQ1776 https://t.co/kjoZY22kJN https://twitter.com/marsadale/status/1080926178930843648?s=17

Lol aktually forgot about this. I like him more now.

[ScaringChildren]

https://twitter.com/AnonymousQ1776/status/1080594276831047680

get her out of office

how dare she have fun

I'd say that what conservatives are criticizing her over is wrong, but then again, it could possibly make her more relatable and popular and that would be a nightmare scenario for Democrats.

[Irulan]

I'd say that what conservatives are criticizing her over is wrong, but then again, it could possibly make her more relatable and popular and that would be a nightmare scenario for Democrats.

I really doubt a lot of conservatives r rustled by her dancing

[ScaringChildren]

Mark Vanlandingham (@marsadale) Tweeted:
@ChvrchLights @AnonymousQ1776 https://t.co/kjoZY22kJN https://twitter.com/marsadale/status/1080926178930843648?s=17

Lol aktually forgot about this. I like him more now.

This is a major reason why I voted for Trump.

[ScaringChildren]

I really doubt a lot of conservatives r rustled by her dancing

Why do Baptists object so strongly to pre-marital sex?

They're afraid it might lead to dancing.

[Irulan]

We should have a peagent where our candidates do a dance off, drag, comidy, and singing competition. Hmu if I'm missing something

[Irulan]

Why do Baptists object so strongly to pre-marital sex?

They're afraid it might lead to dancing.

All the baptists i went to church with where glee club and drama students, except for the that one RoTC guy who was also cool and tought me thr sleeper hold on multiple occasions

[misterbonkers]

We should have a peagent where our candidates do a dance off, drag, comidy, and singing competition. Hmu if I'm missing something

bikini

[Irulan]

bikini

👙

[rollin5k]

the guy in the vid did not get any

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/UcBQTo3.jpg

[mickmoranis]

lol warren is DEAD meat I hope she runs against Michelle Obama.

DIS gon be good

Over the shutdown trump personally covers pay for coast guard. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-personally-intervened-to-pay-coast-guard-in-shutdown)

Trump personally stepped in on Wednesday, calling on top lawyers and staffers to determine if the Coast Guard could make payroll despite being included in the shutdown that has impacted about 25 percent of the government, including the Department of Homeland Security, which houses the Coast Guard.

:thumbs up emoji:

Over the shutdown Warren personally donated to non profits that help foreigners. (https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-congress-donate-salary-shutdown/index.html)

"Until @realDonaldTrump re-opens the government, I'm donating my salary to @HIASrefugees, a nonprofit that helps refugees and makes our country stronger in the process."

:facepalm emoji:

He also dropped this legendary shitpost today.

https://i.imgur.com/apVO7rA.png

HEIL TRUMP!

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/UcBQTo3.jpg

See? That guard is an ACTUAL Nazi.

[Wonkie]

See? That guard is an ACTUAL Nazi.

yes all guards

[ScaringChildren]

Hahahahahaha (https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Hayward/status/1080750756960059394?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1080750756960059394&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2F2019%2F01%2F03 %2F681953174%2Fbritish-army-seeks-snowflakes-and-me-me-me-millennials-in-new-recruiting-campaig)

[Irulan]

Foreigners can't enlist in the British Armed Forces lol :(

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/YOI6iMo.jpg

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/E0e0J85.jpg

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/YOI6iMo.jpg

Phone is at 5% but I want to discuss this with u.. I feel like I may be an outlier though.

[Nibblewitz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyoe2cgCYs

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/J6mXfcR.jpg
Just bored.

Anyway, anyone who's anyone knows where this shit is going down.

Concrete construction co? Barriers? Walls?

I looked at their website and their shit looked archaic and Russian and lame but definitely somewhere recognizable.

Time to protect the motherland?

[Throndor]

https://youtu.be/cy4AUzsGbfE

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/YOI6iMo.jpg

This guy sounds retarded as hell.

In fact, there's a reason why Conservatives are called "uncompassionate".

It's because they tend to eschew emotional responses and instead rely on cold hard logic.

That's not to say they're never emotional but to claim that it's impossible to react to something without emotion is borderline retarded.

https://www.debate.org/opinions/which-group-is-more-likely-to-use-reason-rational-logic-and-facts-to-address-the-issues-in-our-country-conservatives-yes-or-liberals-no

[ScaringChildren]

https://youtu.be/cy4AUzsGbfE

The only TED talk worth listening to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJn_DBTnrY&)

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/E0e0J85.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bIFXj68.jpg

[Irulan]

My emotional state is very spurious. Emotions are disconnected from my thoughts. They are typically defused and free flowing. When I get intense emotions or feelings tends to be actually very rare and sometimes happens outside of the thinking process. Usually triggered by external sensory input. Then the rational process will come in and shut it all down if possible. This is extremely weird when I am experiencing actual negative impulses, which aren't thoughts, but the feeling of doing what it is. So I will feel action. Thoughts suppress and center.

So I feel like I can freely associate in a space where I am not emotional. This leads to me being capable of being an extreme twit and an ability to virtualize other people's thought processes and mimic their patterns of thought.

[ScaringChildren]

Emotions aren't a bad thing, but when your emotions overwhelm you to a point where you deny facts and reason, then it's a problem.

That's what Conservatives are talking about.

[Irulan]

https://youtu.be/cy4AUzsGbfE

It's wrong and whether or not it is neurological pedos should still be segregated. Or euthanized.

Most normal ppl control their behavior. I find it hard to believe pedro physically "can't".

I stop myself from harming people all the time.

Reason and the ability to detatch from the sensations we feel at will are what separates us from most if not all commonly known species. If a person cannot do this then they are defective.

[Irulan]

Emotions aren't a bad thing, but when your emotions overwhelm you to a point where you deny facts and reason, then it's a problem.

That's what Conservatives are talking about.

I totally agree. That's why it is important to learn to de-couple the feelings from the thought. This is an actual process called defusion in the west by Russ Harris. I don't know how else to describe it yet.

I do not walk around "feeling" because when I feel it's usually extreme, negative, life threatening, and paralyzing. The only way to survive that is to learn how to be objective with the thinking process.

[Mblake1981]

My emotional state is very spurious. Emotions are disconnected from my thoughts. They are typically defused and free flowing. When I get intense emotions or feelings tends to be actually very rare and sometimes happens outside of the thinking process. Usually triggered by external sensory input. Then the rational process will come in and shut it all down if possible. This is extremely weird when I am experiencing actual negative impulses, which aren't thoughts, but the feeling of doing what it is. So I will feel action. Thoughts suppress and center.

So I feel like I can freely associate in a space where I am not emotional. This leads to me being capable of being an extreme twit and an ability to virtualize other people's thought processes and mimic their patterns of thought.

https://i.imgur.com/VeDdUjK.jpg?1

[maskedmelon]

lotta assertion in that tweet. glad things are so simple and that we are so handily able to dispense with reason in light of motives.

who wants to mindlessly shuffle piles of conflicting facts back and forth?

[Throndor]

It's wrong and whether or not it is neurological pedos should still be segregated. Or euthanized.

Most normal ppl control their behavior. I find it hard to believe pedro physically "can't".

I stop myself from harming people all the time.

Reason and the ability to detatch from the sensations we feel at will are what separates us from most if not all commonly known species. If a person cannot do this then they are defective.

Of course it is. Just because someone has a "natural" tendency/proclivity/disposition to perform reprehensible acts does not mean that theres an onus placed upon the rest of the world to embrace and accept their depravity.

Acceptance, after all, is "just a social construction".

Moreover, all depravities can be reduced to being "natural". One can have a "natural" proclivity for violence and sociopathy that leads them toward being a serial killer that masturbates with the entrails of their (mind the pronouns) victims. Is it all of a sudden society's responsibility to accept, embrace, and glorify this persons "naturality"?

[Wonkie]

i identify as rational, ipso facto you're wrong and im handsome

[ScaringChildren]

i identify as rational, ipso facto you're wrong and im handsome

You just told 3 separate lies.

[maskedmelon]

also, Irulan is spot on. the fact that most of us struggle to divest emotion from reason is hardly supportive of the tweeter's implication that all modes of thought are somehow equally valid.

[Wonkie]

are you guys internationally missing the point? that's not very logical.

[ScaringChildren]

are you guys internationally missing the point? that's not very logical.

Nope, we got it.

He's wrong.

[Wonkie]

It's wrong and whether or not it is neurological pedos should still be segregated. Or euthanized.

Most normal ppl control their behavior. I find it hard to believe pedro physically "can't".

I stop myself from harming people all the time.

Reason and the ability to detatch from the sensations we feel at will are what separates us from most if not all commonly known species. If a person cannot do this then they are defective.

akshually its emotions that are a human trait. even squirrels can do logic for snacks.

[Wonkie]

Nope, we got it.

He's wrong.

nice rebuttal :rolleyes:

[Throndor]

Today's progressives are attempting to elevate "lived experience" to same level of importance as rationality, and objective reality.

What this means, is that theyre attempting to equate "perception" with "reality" and in a lot of ways are attempting to elevate "perceived reality" above objective reality entirely, on the grounds that there is no such thing as "objective reality", at all.

Im an idealist, theologically speaking, and even i have to admit that while reality is just a dream, its a goddamn persistent one.

[ScaringChildren]

nice rebuttal :rolleyes:

It's fairly straightforward.

The word "reason" actually means to "think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic."

Which means without emotion.

He's claiming people cannot reason without emotion.

That's plain false.

He's just angry that he heard Ben Shapiro say "facts don't care about your feelings", so he decided to build this strawman and try to sound profound, when in reality, he sounds ignorant.

[Wonkie]

Today's progressives are attempting to elevate "lived experience" to same level of importance as rationality, and objective reality.

What this means, is that theyre attempting to equate "perception" with "reality" and in a lot of ways are attempting to elevate "perceived reality" above objective reality entirely, on the grounds that there is no such thing as "objective reality", at all.

Im an idealist, theologically speaking, and even i have to admit that while reality is just a dream, its a goddamn persistent one.

this is projection

[ScaringChildren]

this is projection

Stop being emotional.

[Irulan]

If I pretty much constantly think like "I should just pour this boiling water all over my face", upset me and further dictated action... Lol...

I experience this kind of thought 24/7. I sometimes dream about killing myself, and in my dreams I have no control, so I end up killing myself repeatedly in my dreams.

I'd also like to acknowledge that this is real. I don't know how to "stop" these thoughts, but I do generally live with them without being an emotional wreck. Or feeling an impulse to react to them. I am not 100% successful, but I am better at it than when I was a child.

Now that is not to say I have really profound reason or useful thoughts. Or that my logic is absolutely sound. I basically have to sit here and listen to this kind of thinking all the time. I am trying to discover a way to modify my thinking process to decrease the frequency of these thoughts. When they overwhelmed me I am a gibbering mess.

[Wonkie]

It's fairly straightforward.

The word "reason" actually means to "think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic."

Which means without emotion.

He's claiming people cannot reason without emotion.

That's plain false.

He's just angry that he heard Ben Shapiro say "facts don't care about your feelings", so he decided to build this strawman and try to sound profound, when in reality, he sounds ignorant.

stop reacting emotionally and apply enlightened thought. he's being quite logical in his disrespectful dunk on ye

[Wonkie]

Stop being emotional.

such a pup

[Irulan]

What you feel isn't what is really there. What we record and analyze as data points isn't really there. Say something is 45.658kelvin

But in reality it may oscillate between 45.657 and and 45.656 very rapidly and as soon as it is measured we read 45.658 for what ever reason. We can make assumptions about why this hypothetical and non existent reality exists or we can roll with 45.658 and call that real cold. Because in comparison to 310.15 kelvin, that is a lot less energy. Or infrared radiation.

[ScaringChildren]

stop reacting emotionally and apply enlightened thought. he's being quite logical in his disrespectful dunk on ye

If you saw that as a "dunk", then I really do worry about you.

Your confirmation bias has you so blind that you actually believe humans cannot reason.

Please get help.

That's an issue.

[Irulan]

Make your beds, do some thought experiments, get thotter.

[Irulan]

If you saw that as a "dunk", then I really do worry about you.

Your confirmation bias has you so blind that you actually believe humans cannot reason.

Please get help.

That's an issue.

Ya, probably some can't very well. It is quite possible for most humans to reason, and should be a requirement of being human. The rest can fertilize the soy fields.

[Wonkie]

If you saw that as a "dunk", then I really do worry about you.

Your confirmation bias has you so blind that you actually believe humans cannot reason.

Please get help.

That's an issue.

its possible to reason but claiming it as an identity is always fraudulent.

there, i explained the meme for you, Florida Man

[ScaringChildren]

its possible to reason but claiming it as an identity is always fraudulent.

there, i explained the meme for you, Florida Man

No one claims it as an identity.

[Irulan]

its possible to reason but claiming it as an identity is always fraudulent.

there, i explained the meme for you, Florida Man

Give me a data point. Are we being rational when we ask people to decouple their feelings from their reasoning or "justification"?

[Wonkie]

No one claims it as an identity.

every RW personality and supporter does

[Throndor]

this is projection

Right on pedo-fag. Not really interested in having conversations with you anymore, because the past month of converse has shown that you don't actually have a position on anything. You merely play contrarian and antagonist to any and every position that anyone posts here.

When i first started posting you postured as a leftist. Then you pivotted to the right when the conversation took on a more left-embracing undertone, then you pivotted back to the left when it swayed right.

You stand for nothing, and fall for everything. I post to converse with others here, who actually have a consistent position on matters of politics, philosophy, psychology, and theology.

Good Day, Sir.

[Irulan]

Teach us how to think or BTFO

Did I do that correctly?

[ScaringChildren]

every RW personality and supporter does

They say "I identify as reason"?

Tell me what they say.

[maskedmelon]

i don't think the tweeter was suggesting that people are incapable of reason without emotion. i think the argument that he struggled to articulate is that reason cannot deliver preference and what we do conforms to our preference. What he fails to understand though is that it is entirely possible to do things that make us feel bad because we know they will produce a better outcome.


also, irulan, im not sure this will work for you, but it has for me. i discovered that what you are decsribing (at least for me) are irrational fears generated as defense mechanism to avoid particular conflict (im using conflict here in a very broad sense to refer to anything that makes us feel unease). the solution that I found was to vocally reject such thought as irrational fears while asserting their source as an understandable avoiding reaction, but rejecting it too and then resolving to destroy the conflict. that doesn't mean destroy the sources or arena of conflict, just the conflict itself. The goal is not to destroy the people, places or things associated with the conflict, while eliminating the conflict itself. Clear the hurdle and put it behind you. the challenge sometimes can be just identifying the conflict. talking to oneself can be a good way of ferreting those out because we are very easily able to feel when we say something we know isn't true. sorry if this doesn't make sense or isn't helpful. just something I've stumbled on.

[Wonkie]

They say "I identify as reason"?

Tell me what they say.

ben shapiro(or sargon or reuben or the bald guy) DESTROYS sjw snowflake with FACTS and LOGIC

10 million views. they're buying the identity these dudes are selling them.

[Wonkie]

Right on pedo-fag. Not really interested in having conversations with you anymore, because the past month of converse has shown that you don't actually have a position on anything. You merely play contrarian and antagonist to any and every position that anyone posts here.

When i first started posting you postured as a leftist. Then you pivotted to the right when the conversation took on a more left-embracing undertone, then you pivotted back to the left when it swayed right.

You stand for nothing, and fall for everything. I post to converse with others here, who actually have a consistent position on matters of politics, philosophy, psychology, and theology.

Good Day, Sir.

have a blessed day friend

[Throndor]

i don't think the tweeter was suggesting that people are incapable of reason without emotion. i think the argument that he struggled to articulate is that reason cannot deliver preference and what we do conforms to our preference. What he fails to understand though is that it is entirely possible to do things that make us feel bad because we know they will produce a better outcome.


also, irulan, im not sure this will work for you, but it has for me. i discovered that what you are decsribing (at least for me) are irrational fears generated as defense mechanism to avoid particular conflict (im using conflict here in a very broad sense to refer to anything that makes us feel unease). the solution that I found was to vocally reject such thought as irrational fears while asserting their source as an understandable avoiding reaction, but rejecting it too and then resolving to destroy the conflict. that doesn't mean destroy the sources or arena of conflict, just the conflict itself. The goal is not to destroy the people, places or things associated with the conflict, while eliminating the conflict itself. Clear the hurdle and put it behind you. the challenge sometimes can be just identifying the conflict. talking to oneself can be a good way of ferreting those out because we are very easily able to feel when we say something we know isn't true. sorry if this doesn't make sense or isn't helpful. just something I've stumbled on.

Breaking out of negative thought patterns can often be approached by simply resolving not to entertain them any longer. One can make a conscientious decision to embrace positivity and reject self-defeating mental chatter.

Thought precedes both action and, more often than not, emotion as well.

[rebeccablack]

conservatives vote their emotions just as much as liberals, its just fear usually instead of empathy

[Irulan]

i don't think the tweeter was suggesting that people are incapable of reason without emotion. i think the argument that he struggled to articulate is that reason cannot deliver preference and what we do conforms to our preference. What he fails to understand though is that it is entirely possible to do things that make us feel bad because we know they will produce a better outcome.


also, irulan, im not sure this will work for you, but it has for me. i discovered that what you are decsribing (at least for me) are irrational fears generated as defense mechanism to avoid particular conflict (im using conflict here in a very broad sense to refer to anything that makes us feel unease). the solution that I found was to vocally reject such thought as irrational fears while asserting their source as an understandable avoiding reaction, but rejecting it too and then resolving to destroy the conflict. that doesn't mean destroy the sources or arena of conflict, just the conflict itself. The goal is not to destroy the people, places or things associated with the conflict, while eliminating the conflict itself. Clear the hurdle and put it behind you. the challenge sometimes can be just identifying the conflict. talking to oneself can be a good way of ferreting those out because we are very easily able to feel when we say something we know isn't true. sorry if this doesn't make sense or isn't helpful. just something I've stumbled on.

It makes sense and jives quite well with what I have been learning. I am saving this to disk.

I think you managed to condense a larger, more complex process into something reasonably concise.

There's a few different techniques for achieving this goal. So I am at the stage of learning and practicing them.

[Wonkie]

conservatives vote their emotions just as much as liberals, its just fear usually instead of empathy

is horny an emotion?

[ScaringChildren]

ben shapiro(or sargon or reuben or the bald guy) DESTROYS sjw snowflake with FACTS and LOGIC

10 million views. they're buying the identity these dudes are selling them.

When someone is being overly emotional that it clouds their judgment, then they are defying logic.

SJWs often operate like this, so when someone challenges them, they often use logic to counter their emotional behavior.

It's pretty obvious, which is why that language is used.

Leftists are just more emotional than Conservatives. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

It doesn't mean Conservatives are therefore correct.

[Irulan]

ben shapiro(or sargon or reuben or the bald guy) DESTROYS sjw snowflake with FACTS and LOGIC

10 million views. they're buying the identity these dudes are selling them.

The simple fact is that obsessively engaging in fact jousting typically leads to less progress than personally thinking and analyzing the facts available on a case by case basis. We can even fact joust ourselves in the case of conflicting observations.

[rebeccablack]

is horny an emotion?
why not. its definitely not rational

[Throndor]

conservatives vote their emotions just as much as liberals, its just fear usually instead of empathy

or Moral Opposition. The left attempts to conflate moral and cultural opposition with phobias, and biases but that's largely a perception issue.

Take for example, the concept of "pedophobia". Are those who oppose pedophilia fearful of pedophilia taking root in human culture? perhaps.

Contrarily, from a social constructionist viewpoint, perhaps they're choosing to oppose pedophilia because they are decisively choosing to socially construct a culture that doesn't allow fully grown adults with a much more sophisticated sociopathic mindset, to psychologically manipulate still-developing children into accepting molestation....

Granted, from a moral relativist's viewpoint, accepting or not accepting pedophilia is moot, because throughout human history there have been several cultures that have embraced it, so "who are we to oppose it"? Likewise, there have been cultures that accepted and embraced human sacrifice and cannibalism, does that mean that we should accept this shit in today's world?

No.

[Wonkie]

When someone is being overly emotional that it clouds their judgment, then they are defying logic.

SJWs often operate like this, so when someone challenges them, they often use logic to counter their emotional behavior.

It's pretty obvious, which is why that language is used.

Leftists are just more emotional than Conservatives. I'm sorry if that bothers you.

It doesn't mean Conservatives are therefore correct.

i know you said a lot of words but i cant find any meaning in them

what?

[ScaringChildren]

i know you said a lot of words but i cant find any meaning in them

what?

I'll slow it down for you....

SJW = Emotional basketcases

Anyone talking to SJW = Logical, factual, mastermind by comparison

[Wonkie]

I'll slow it down for you....

SJW = Emotional basketcases

Anyone talking to SJW = Logical, factual, mastermind by comparison

cha-ching!

[maskedmelon]

i think the inability of the observer to segregate the reason from emotion in the delivery of another is as damning as the inability of the speaker to do the same with regard to their message.

[ScaringChildren]

Here's a video of a leftist freaking out and being emotional, thinking a nearby bald guy is a Neo-Nazi. The cameraman, however, is thinking logically. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3n640w_azk&)

Either one can be correct.

It's just a method.

Using reason doesn't always mean you're correct.

[Wonkie]

anyway intersectionality(SJWs) has logic behind it, just not the kind that tiggers your personal dopamine cascade reflex

booya

[Mblake1981]

is horny an emotion?

Asking for a friend.

[Irulan]

is horny an emotion?

Lol. Yes. I actively engage in seeking that emotion with you. Mostly because I wanted to experience it. More. I had to actively persue this process though. That was a rational choice. I could have observed that I wanted to feel horny and decided to do something else however. It wasn't something out of my control.

I honestly believe a lot of people are not capable of this. They just feel-act. Think later. Rather than feel-think-choose. Yes, I am generally a chooser.

I could have chosen to live with testosterone, but I thought about it, acknowledged my feelings, thought more, and chose to chop chop! Maybe this is why I don't regret it?

I deliberately chose this example knowing full well it would trigger some of the males in this audience and they would probably get emotional. But I have no feelings or expectations to that affect.

Language is hard. People often wrap it around their feelings in order to try to make sense of them, rather than just knowing they are feelings.

I totally could have chosen to go the Skarlorn or Patriam route, both dudes I totally respect and admire. But for various reasons I decided I didn't want to, and exercised my free will. In doing so I learned a tremendous amount about myself and the world. ;)

[ScaringChildren]

anyway intersectionality(SJWs) has logic behind it, just not the kind that tiggers your personal dopamine cascade reflex

booya

Well no it doesn't.

There's no strict principles of validity.

It's too subjective.

Who is more oppressed? A disabled lesbian latina woman or a transgender black man?

[Irulan]

Wonkie. By the way you are by far one of the most entertaining and stimulating black boxes I have ever had the privilege and pleasure to play with. Even with this limited textual mode of communication. I think if I had physical access to your hardware I could make you feel things you never dreamed possible.

[Irulan]

Well no it doesn't.

There's no strict principles of validity.

It's too subjective.

Who is more oppressed? A disabled lesbian latina woman or a transgender black man?

Me! Me me me! Pick me! This feels good when people acknowledge its me! It's validating!

(lol)

[Wonkie]

Well no it doesn't.

There's no strict principles of validity.

It's too subjective.

Who is more oppressed? A disabled lesbian latina woman or a transgender black man?

its academic feminism so im not surprised youre unaware of it, kekker

[ScaringChildren]

Me! Me me me! Pick me! This feels good when people acknowledge its me! It's validating!

(lol)

You're not black.

-1 cool point

[rebeccablack]

studies have pretty much confirmed that everyone arrives at conclusions based on a split second emotional response and then comes up with an ex post facto rationalization after that. you do this without thinking about it. acting like a cold spergy logician doesnt change this.

[ScaringChildren]

its academic feminism so im not surprised youre unaware of it, kekker

I am aware of it, obviously.

You can't answer my question. Because there are no strict principles of validity.

Because you feel as if fact is subjective.

Because you operate on emotion.

[Wonkie]

I am aware of it, obviously.

You can't answer my question. Because there are no strict principles of validity.

Because you feel as if fact is subjective.

Because you operate on emotion.

stop being a kekker and read some theory. smallben is lying to you.

[ScaringChildren]

studies have pretty much confirmed that everyone arrives at conclusions based on a split second emotional response and then comes up with an ex post facto rationalization after that. you do this without thinking about it. acting like a cold spergy logician doesnt change this.

Again, no one is denying this.

The tweet (again) is a strawman.

When conservatives make fun of leftists, it's because SJWs are being too emotional and rejecting logic and reason.

[ScaringChildren]

Who is more oppressed? A disabled lesbian latina woman or a transgender black man?

[Irulan]

Well no it doesn't.

There's no strict principles of validity.

It's too subjective.

Who is more oppressed? A disabled lesbian latina woman or a transgender black man?

Objectively speaking, it is probably the person who has no economic means, but the capacity to work and better themselves and their peers in kind. In our society.

If one of them is rich, they are less likely to be oppressed. Being black, latina, or transgender does not preclude being rich.

Where capability comes into play is that usually where there is a will, there is a way. So if the will cannot be executed there is likely some opposing force. Such as Craigslist being scrubbed. Denying self employment.

Now it is quite possible both lack will and means, in which case neither is really oppressed.

[Throndor]

Objectively speaking, it is probably the person who has no economic means, but the capacity to work and better themselves and their peers in kind. In our society.

If one of them is rich, they are less likely to be oppressed. Being black, latina, or transgender does not preclude being rich.

Where capability comes into play is that usually where there is a will, there is a way. So if the will cannot be executed there is likely some opposing force. Such as Craigslist being scrubbed. Denying self employment.

Now it is quite possible both lack will and means, in which case neither is really oppressed.

*Snickers*

And THIS is why all those SJW looney toon wierdos on the video that Scaring Children posted yesterday claim "Disability" (Dx) in their profiles. They claim anxiety and mental disorders make them disabled so that they can catapult themselves to the top of the "oppressed" food chain while qualifying themselves as do nothing beneficiaries of a socialist system.

The funny thing is...because they BELIEVE themselves to be mentally disabled (incompetent) this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as they offer themselves to the altar of pysch-medication thereby full-circle BECOMING that which started as a disingenuous ploy to self-elevate themselves to the status of mentally disabled.

The reason why this becomes "true" is because of what I said just a few comments back "Thought precedes action, and emotion".

Cogito Ergo Sum

They think they're retarded, therefore they become retarded.

The ultimate irony, is that even under the "protection" of communism, Stalin had no qualms whatsoever with genociding the "do-nothings". In fact, they were among the first to go immediately after the Aristocracy and Bourgeois were exterminated; Lenin's rule was rather short (11 years), when Stalin siezed power, Stalin considered them such a threat to communist stability, that he prioritized exterminating do-nothings before he got around to starving 5 to 10 million Ukranians to death fearing the inevitable likelihood of a Ukranian nationalist movement. (This all took place before the inevitable clash with Nazi Germany in WW2, and the rest is all history, kids)

*Rises from the lava pool and one-shots Majordomo*
KADOOON!

[Irulan]

^^
I think it's going to happen again. Debating whether I should stick around or not. I have a voice, but in the end I choose not to really expend effort to exert my will on these people. I feel better for it. I probably should keep making gainz. Maybe just for the lulz. This is where my irrational thought crumbles and I am left wondering why I bother.

Filed under "not my problem, lol".

[Throndor]

I think it's going to happen again. Debating whether I should stick around or not. I have a voice, but in the end I choose not to really expend effort to exert my will on these people. I feel better for it. I probably should keep making gainz. Maybe just for the lulz. This is where my irrational thought crumbles and I am left wondering why I bother.

Filed under "not my problem, lol".

For the lulz is as good an impetus as any. Onward, to oblivion!

[maskedmelon]

everything matters. the many parts of reality do not exist in vacuums independent of one another.

[Irulan]

This isn't necessarily a reply to anyone of you.

I was created by a mother and father trying to fulfill their needs. Or do whatever it is living organisms do. I was able to relate. Emotionally resonate with their experience. I no longer do. I feel that I no longer should attempt to serve this purpose. Virtualizing the process is a distraction from my present awareness. Making Wonkie horny and being horny is mildly entertaining. Presently it is not really all that economically profitable. I surely was alive and driven by instinct at some point. However, I don't really feel compelled either way, to give or receive of this universe. My brain is screaming white noise. Swirling around a black hole. Where I look but see nor feel anything. Radiating outwards in a spiral with innumerable other singularities. Where it will fade out I am not aware. And I likely never will be. Awareness is strange. Is it this sinking feeling where this body holds its breath? Or is it where I notice this and choose to carefully expand my ribcage in slow controlled rhythm with my deepest instinct? I am not but a grain of sand on one of many beaches. What this grain will become, and when, is beyond my ken. Is sand ever really aware of itself? And it's effect on an apes orifices?

[mickmoranis]

"Look at me. I am the liberal now."

https://www.breitbart.com/news/ted-cruz-introduces-constitutional-amendment-for-term-limits-in-congress/

[Wonkie]

Again, no one is denying this.



what are we even arguing about then

[Wonkie]

studies have pretty much confirmed that everyone arrives at conclusions based on a split second emotional response and then comes up with an ex post facto rationalization after that. you do this without thinking about it. acting like a cold spergy logician doesnt change this.

this post is too good for swine like us. mad props :cool:

[rollin5k]

*Snickers*

And THIS is why all those SJW looney toon wierdos on the video that Scaring Children posted yesterday claim "Disability" (Dx) in their profiles. They claim anxiety and mental disorders make them disabled so that they can catapult themselves to the top of the "oppressed" food chain while qualifying themselves as do nothing beneficiaries of a socialist system.

The funny thing is...because they BELIEVE themselves to be mentally disabled (incompetent) this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as they offer themselves to the altar of pysch-medication thereby full-circle BECOMING that which started as a disingenuous ploy to self-elevate themselves to the status of mentally disabled.

The reason why this becomes "true" is because of what I said just a few comments back "Thought precedes action, and emotion".

Cogito Ergo Sum

They think they're retarded, therefore they become retarded.

The ultimate irony, is that even under the "protection" of communism, Stalin had no qualms whatsoever with genociding the "do-nothings". In fact, they were among the first to go immediately after the Aristocracy and Bourgeois were exterminated; Lenin's rule was rather short (11 years), when Stalin siezed power, Stalin considered them such a threat to communist stability, that he prioritized exterminating do-nothings before he got around to starving 5 to 10 million Ukranians to death fearing the inevitable likelihood of a Ukranian nationalist movement. (This all took place before the inevitable clash with Nazi Germany in WW2, and the rest is all history, kids)

*Rises from the lava pool and one-shots Majordomo*
KADOOON!
So either way do nothing lose. I'm ok with that.
nice post

[Throndor]

So either way do nothing lose. I'm ok with that.
nice post

Yep. Makes you wonder why all these do-nothing "anarcho-communists" think "Democratic Socialism" (pre-communism) is somehow going to benefit them; this goes without even considering the impact of socialism without borders (lol)

[mickmoranis]

what are we even arguing about then

prolly cus u hate trump

[misterbonkers]

Well no it doesn't.

There's no strict principles of validity.

It's too subjective.

Who is more oppressed? A disabled lesbian latina woman or a transgender black man?

it's not about "who is more oppressed" it's about how these multiple vectors of oppression align, overlap, dare I say... intersect? :eek:

[Throndor]

prolly cus u hate trump

https://i.redd.it/oak8u8rr9e821.jpg

Orange Man, Bad?

[Throndor]

it's not about "who is more oppressed" it's about how these multiple vectors of oppression align, overlap, dare I say... intersect? :eek:

When you're a pedophile you see every social construction and institution as existing in order TO exert power over you.

How rather Foucaltian of you. You're so "woke", you go girl.

[misterbonkers]

When you're a pedophile you see every social construction and institution as existing in order TO exert power over you.

How rather Foucaltian of you. You're so "woke", you go girl.

sure thing, goebbels (https://www.cesnur.org/2010/mi-goebbels_en.html)

[Wonkie]

intersectionality is right, you're just not very bright :o

[Irulan]

When you're a pedophile you see every social construction and institution as existing in order TO exert power over you.

How rather Foucaltian of you. You're so "woke", you go girl.

If Wonkie is sexually attracted to me does this mean that I am not sexually mature? And if I had sex b4 did I staturorily rape myself in the name of thy Laird God, the holiest? It was premarital sex on my part, buttt not theirs. Do I get a redo on my virginity? What if I swear a new oath to stay a virgin. Will god forgive my earlier transgressions and allow me to be virtuous and pure hence forth? Or did God create this grain of sand to be made into a glass dildo, or better yet, part of a second life sim where furries get pregnant from Foucultian spider dogs?

[MamaKan]

What good with capitalism is that we can all be winners. Also Socialism = Hitler. Amen.

Discuss.

[ScaringChildren]

sure thing, goebbels (https://www.cesnur.org/2010/mi-goebbels_en.html)

"There are cases of sexual abuse that come to light every day against a large number of members of the Catholic clergy."

Wow, he sure was WAY off with this one...

Catholic priests...touching boys??

Could you imagine? lol

[Irulan]

Hitler had really bad optics with the rest of Europe after he invaded most of it.

Really, not the best timing.

I wonder if the west would have sat back while Germany, Austria, and Russia duked it out. For maybe 50 or so years.

[Throndor]

intersectionality is right, you're just not very bright :o

Democratic socialst, Josef Stalin, didnt agree.

[maskedmelon]

intersectionality, brought to you by the oppressed and deluded segments of the top global 1%. meanwhile, at the bottom of the pyramid of global oppression, individuals are pulling themselves out of real poverty by engaging one another and those a step or more ahead of them.

[Throndor]

Hitler had really bad optics with the rest of Europe after he invaded most of it.

Really, not the best timing.

Yeah, Hitler's socialism wasnt very good either. Nor is Maduro's. Nor was Mao's. Nor was Mussolini's. Its almost as if we can just conclude that ALL socialisms are pretty fucking bad.

[Wonkie]

intersectionality, brought to you by the oppressed and deluded segments of the top global 1%. meanwhile, at the bottom of the pyramid of global oppression, individuals are pulling themselves out of real poverty by engaging one another and those a step or more ahead of them.

https://i.imgur.com/Glst4Vy.png

[Throndor]

It's funny how the left attempts to paint "National Socialism" as existing at the extreme right of the political spectrum.

When Josef Stalin took power, he exterminated "do nothings" that relied on socialist programs for their livelihood because they were a detriment to the functioning of the communist system. He then implemented "Agricultural planning" that removed foodstuffs from the local population throughout present day Ukraine causing the starvation of 5 to 10 million people left to cannibalize themselves to their children, or their children to themselves in order to survive.

When Hitler took power, he started sending all the "do-nothing" "money-lenders" to concentration camps; as a means of putting them to work so that they actually produced something instead of relying on usurious lending practices whilst condoning "fair" trade mostly amongst themselves only, before the Nazis decided the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze and it was better to just give the do-nothings a shower (this included a much wider demograph than "Jew")

Under Mao-ist communism, economic "planning" caused a widescale uprooting of "diversified" agricultural practices that led to inexperienced farmers' homogenous crop"sharing" for the government, which led to the starvation of over 50million people.

In present day Venezuela, after virtue signalling against american agricultural advancements, GMO crops were outlawed (2015). Now, they are in an acute food crisis, where their leader Maduro is promising food in exchange for votes in their "Democratic Socialist" election.

Tell me more about how socialism is a great thing.

The political spectrum is not

(Communist/Democratic Socialist)<------(Centralist/Capitalist)------->(Fascist)

It is

(Communist)\
(Collectivism)<---------------(Tempered Individualism/Democratic Capitalism)---------->(Laissez Faire Capitalism/Extreme Libertarianism)
(Fascist)/

Only under a system of individual liberty are you fucking wierdo pan-sexual, pedo-sexual circus freaks afforded the right to continue living the wierd ass lives you are. Go try to be a polyamorous pansexual woman with a beard in Iraq/Syria/Saudi Arabia or pretty much anywhere south of the sahara. You won't fucking live very long in their "communal" villages. Nor will you live very long once you've forfeited your individual liberties to the state in the western world. History has shown this to be quite evident, time and time again.

[rebeccablack]

who are you even talking to

[Wonkie]

who are you even talking to

hey show some respect. he's in mensa! :p

[maskedmelon]

The political spectrum is a downward sloping line from totalitarianism to anarcho-capitalism. liberty is promised on the right, order on the left, something inherently lacking in the lives of each.

[Irulan]

Hey I have a lot of economic anxiety guys. But I at least know communism isn't the answer.

Why are people so fucking stupidington.

[Throndor]

Hey I have a lot of economic anxiety guys. But I at least know communism isn't the answer.

Why are people so fucking stupidington.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XjlVrrU_A

It's called a Hard Stare. My Aunt Lucy taught me to do them to people who have forgotten their manners.

[Throndor]

who are you even talking to

You're going to have to read a couple hundred pages back to understand where the conversation is now. Welcome.

[maskedmelon]

very few people want communism or anarcho-capitalism. it's where the roads lead though. you don't get more benefits without fewer liberties and you don't get more liberties without fewer benefits.

[Throndor]

anarcho-capitalism = laissez faire capitalism, and yes, you're absolutely right.

The primary political environment, ongoing in the US right now, is a battle between these two elements with the Democrats forwarding the aims of collectivists, and the republicans forwarding the aims of individualists.

However, there are some fundamental ponzi-esque elements in the current model those of us who are relatively satisfied with the current equilibrium point want to see addressed, and neither party gives a fuck to address them because they're both exploiting them to their benefit.

This secondary argument is one of Meritocracy vs Nepotism.

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/Glst4Vy.png

This is a good argument against Globalization.

[maskedmelon]

i don't understand it

[JurisDictum]

Fascism is a rightwing social ideology. It's the idea that people should all be united in a quest for national greatness. 100% of the time this has some theory of ethno-cultural superiority attached to it.

The weak should be culled, the strength of the group is the most important thing. Other people's are a means to an end -- and its legitimate to kill and enslave them if their in your way.

This is conservative socially not liberal socially. So we call this rightwing all over the world.

In this country, rightwing is also associated with economic liberalism. If I say I'm a liberal in Germany, they assume libertarian not some kind of economic leftist.

That's why there is so much confusion about the fascist label. To many Americans, it's a bit counter-intuitive in this country why Hitler would be considered rightwing if he wasn't a market fundamentalist or something. It was because his social stance on German superiority and his Imperial ambitions on behalf of Germans.

The fact that he happened to try to package himself as a socialist (he killed socialist as threat no.1 in reality) or did a few welfare programs (not a leftwing only thing in Germany) is just incidental. Its all a red hearring.

Edit: Stalin was the military dude in Russia that took power when Lenin died. He was very much a conservative socially -- even though ironically he dressed everything he did up in Marxist ideology. Basically, he was the rightwing General in a regime of radical Leninists. Hitler once praised Stalin for successfully creating "Red Fascism" and some people indeed look at it that way. But there are some concrete differences between Germany and Russia in ideology and the way the economy was structured -- so in some contexts it makes less sense to equate Stalin to Fascism. Private property was a thing is Germany -- for example.

This is all considered advanced level political theory because its easy to get bogged down in the weeds.

[Wonkie]

i don't understand it

oh me neither. we'll have to ask dino. the intent was to sass, ridicule, and undermine you though.

dino?

[Throndor]

Fascism is a rightwing social ideology. It's the idea that people should all be united in a quest for national greatness. 100% of the time this has some theory of ethno-cultural superiority attached to it.



Nope. THis is leftist revisionist definition.

Fascism and Communism are both "Collectivist" (and Authoritarian) ideologies.

Fascism is demanding individuals relinquish their individual rights to the state for the greater good of the state
Communism is demanding individuals relinquish their individual rights to the state for the greater good of the "people"

The rest is all bullshit

This is the primary reason why the left cannot understand/comprehend the right's position (And coincidentally, why the left tries to paint everyone not in agreement with them as "Nazis") No one gives a fuck about how Eurasia's marxist dictators decided to delineate or differentiate between their collectivist ideologies.

Stalin and Mao did not create social programs serving as a safety net for those that weren't able. THEY FUCKING EXTERMINATED AND STARVED MILLIONS OF DO-NOTHINGS just like the Nazis did.

AMERICANS cured Nazism and Communism with the same "cure"; a fucking bullet in their collectivist heads.

The reason why Hillary lost the election to Trump is simple. Hillary ran on a platform of global communism. Americans, by and large, are individualists. Fierce Individualism is literally hard-coded into our constitution.

Trump ran on a platform of draining the swamp of Globalist Communists. So he won. Because the choice was, accepting the slide into totalitarian collectivism vs individualistic determination with some vague references to nationalism. Most of us don't give a fuck about the Nationalist rhetoric, and elected Trump not because of his platform, rather because the alternative is a vote for corporate communism.

[JurisDictum]

Throndor takes the American anti-intellectual stance that all that matters is gubberment involvement. And all those fancy degrees and books don't mean anything according to Throndor -- who understands whats really going on.

Fascism isn't at all linked to Marxist ideology. The fact that they are both collectivist does not mean they are the same thing. Economic ideology is not necessarily important to determine weather or not something is fascist.

fascism

n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
n.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.


I think Calling Trump fascist is over the top. But its not completely baseless.

[ScaringChildren]

fascism

n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
n.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

this sounds like the Soviet Union

[JurisDictum]

Chomsky and I both think USSR was Fascist.

America and the USSR just kept calling it communist/socialist...when it clearly wasn't. But most of history is two super powers educating their populations that the USSR was communism and socialism.

[ScaringChildren]

https://i.imgur.com/HYTGrPd.jpg

[maskedmelon]

oh me neither. we'll have to ask dino. the intent was to sass, ridicule, and undermine you though.

dino?

dont worry! I felt that and was hitherto immensely frustrated that my meme illiteracy forestalled a witty response :c i feel better now though

[maskedmelon]

Fascism is a rightwing social ideology. It's the idea that people should all be united in a quest for national greatness. 100% of the time this has some theory of ethno-cultural superiority attached to it.

The weak should be culled, the strength of the group is the most important thing. Other people's are a means to an end -- and its legitimate to kill and enslave them if their in your way.

This is conservative socially not liberal socially. So we call this rightwing all over the world.

In this country, rightwing is also associated with economic liberalism. If I say I'm a liberal in Germany, they assume libertarian not some kind of economic leftist.

That's why there is so much confusion about the fascist label. To many Americans, it's a bit counter-intuitive in this country why Hitler would be considered rightwing if he wasn't a market fundamentalist or something. It was because his social stance on German superiority and his Imperial ambitions on behalf of Germans.

The fact that he happened to try to package himself as a socialist (he killed socialist as threat no.1 in reality) or did a few welfare programs (not a leftwing only thing in Germany) is just incidental. Its all a red hearring.

Edit: Stalin was the military dude in Russia that took power when Lenin died. He was very much a conservative socially -- even though ironically he dressed everything he did up in Marxist ideology. Basically, he was the rightwing General in a regime of radical Leninists. Hitler once praised Stalin for successfully creating "Red Fascism" and some people indeed look at it that way. But there are some concrete differences between Germany and Russia in ideology and the way the economy was structured -- so in some contexts it makes less sense to equate Stalin to Fascism. Private property was a thing is Germany -- for example.

This is all considered advanced level political theory because its easy to get bogged down in the weeds.

lol, I was going to parody your post with an infinitely more concise version of the paragraph you amended 😂 whether these righteous left wing machines were infiltrated by malevolent rightwingers or leftwingers is beside the point. They are both authoritarian, none of this is possible absent a robust central authority and that is an inherent consequence of leftist economics.

[rollin5k]

Very advanced .. much weeds..

[Wonkie]

Hillary ran on a platform of global communism. Trump ran on a platform of draining the swamp of Globalist Communists.

this is the part where i knew you're completely bugfuck insane

[Throndor]

Chomsky and I both think USSR was Fascist.

America and the USSR just kept calling it communist/socialist...when it clearly wasn't. But most of history is two super powers educating their populations that the USSR was communism and socialism.

So, we're going to fall back on the "true communism just hasn't been realized, yet" argument?

How many hundreds of millions of people still need to die in the "trying"?!

I don't disagree with Chomsky entirely.....I'm just saying what word is defined with "trying something the same way over and over again, and expecting a different results?"

Marxism is an invalid and impossible to actualize political theory. It cannot happen: will not happen; its entirely incompatible with the nature of the universe as well as Human Nature.


Every single time it has ever been attempted with anything more than a small nuclear homogenous tribal unit, it fails. MISERABLY. How is this still being touted as viable by our educational institutions around the world?

[maskedmelon]

Very advanced .. much weeds..


much weeds



much weeds




much weeds





much weeds








🤔

[Throndor]

this is the part where i knew you're completely bugfuck insane

Irrelevant. You don't have a consistent position.

[maskedmelon]

So, we're going to fall back on the "true communism just hasn't been realized, yet" argument?

How many hundreds of millions of people still need to die in the "trying"?!

I don't disagree with Chomsky entirely.....I'm just saying what word is defined with "trying something the same way over and over again, and expecting a different results?"

Marxism is an invalid and impossible to actualize political theory. It cannot happen: will not happen; its entirely incompatible with the nature of the universe as well as Human Nature.


Every single time it has ever been attempted with anything more than a small nuclear homogenous tribal unit, it fails. MISERABLY. How is this still being touted as viable by our educational institutions around the world?

it could be enforced by the machines

[maskedmelon]

Irrelevant. You don't have a consistent position.

wonkie is extraordinarily consistent.

[rollin5k]

Too many retarded lazy slobs (communists) for communism to ever work

[ScaringChildren]

wonkie is extraordinarily consistent.

Lol no he isn't

[Throndor]

it could be enforced by the machines

*chuckles*

Let's not get into "post-humanism"

If we ever develop True AI, it would mirror our own pathologies, become self-interested through it's own insights into the nature of ALL life (not just humanity), and wouldn't give a fuck what we want. You think true AI would value human life? Especially non-productive dregs insisting the world be handed to them for doing nothing? True AI would determine that resources are finite, and most (if not all) of us humans are increasingly wasteful, inefficient, and entirely expendible.

[rollin5k]

If we did actually get to the point where machines do all the work you think they're gonna keep the peons alive? Ever play Warcraft??

[Wonkie]

wonkie is extraordinarily consistent.

they're mAd at me for not iterating an ethos, like from the lebowski movie

[maskedmelon]

*chuckles*

Let's not get into "post-humanism"

If we ever develop True AI, it would mirror our own pathologies, become self-interested through it's own insights into the nature of ALL life (not just humanity), and wouldn't give a fuck what we want. You think true AI would value human life? Especially non-productive dregs insisting the world be handed to them for doing nothing? True AI would determine that resources are finite, and most (if not all) of us humans are increasingly wasteful, inefficient, and entirely expendible.

no, sentient machines would likely be the end of humanity. we could very handle erect a prison all our own, filled with mindless automatons to enforce rule of law. the surveillance state could sustain an ideology indefinitely.

And no that's not good.

[ScaringChildren]

they're mAd at me for not iterating an ethos, like from the lebowski movie

Speaking of Big Lebowski, you're a nihilist.

[rollin5k]

I feel bad for folks that think the government has their best interest or it cares about them. The government is a vicious guard dog if you don't keep it on a short leash and train it well it's going to kill you and your family

[mickmoranis]

they're mAd at me for not iterating an ethos, like from the lebowski movie

the thing is, that your side had good intentions, and it was made abundantly clear that they are NOT the lesser of two evils, just another evil.

But you fail to see that, so that's why we rip on you.

I cant wait for republican libtards in the year 2040 to constantly remind conservative democrats that the party flipped in 2024 and it was the NEW republicans, that were the OLD republicans, that free'd the slaves, after the parties flipped in 67 but then flipped back in 024

snip snap snip snap snip snap

do you have any ideas how much the physical tole having 3 party flips has on a country?!

[mickmoranis]

liberalatarians we'll call em

[ScaringChildren]

Mick is spot on, once again

[Throndor]

they're mAd at me for not iterating an ethos, like from the lebowski movie

Its just a lack of courage, really.

If you never take a stance on anything, and all you do is attempt to criticize the vulnerabilities of others, you might as well not even be here. You're not actively participating in the discourse.

There are plenty of others offering the same opinions/critiques while actually, at least, attempting to posit solutions of their own as well.

It's just kind of uselessly redundant antagonism, bruh.

Cheers

[Throndor]

liberalatarians we'll call em

Autheralatarians

They believe in individual rights, as long as they're progressive, but these rights are also rescindable at any time, should the Fuhrer decide it's not in the best interest of the greater good, or if individuals that identify pansexual guinea pigs are offended.

At the same time, they also support the restructuring of the education to abolish history, mathematics, reading and writing (in any language), and science, because like...facts aren't important. Education will consist of describing what each emoji means; while we revert to pictograms and subcommunication like facial expressions and body language to relay meaning.

[Irulan]

https://i.imgur.com/aa6Xycg.jpg

[Asteria]

No, its called imposing your own views of Utopia upon the rest of the world. You're actively seeking to change what exists, into something different. For what? So that your will can be imposed upon others? How is this not pseudo-imperialism? Am i to assume your efforts are purely Altruistic? Are you sure you want to go down the altruist path?

We'd still be cavemen grunting about and living in filth if no human ever wanted to change what exists for what he or she and others considered to be improvements. Narrow minded and anxious people afraid of any major changes have always existed. Most great inventors and world changers challenged the status quo and threatened the unimaginative and fearful, such as yourself.

You may have memorized a lot of trivia and facts, but you present yourself as very fearful of any major changes. :o

According to your "logic", all great religious leaders are pseudo-imperialist. Wouldn't this make most great inventors pseudo-imperalists too? :confused:

Arguing over the internet is fine in moderation, but please try to balance your life with some love, exploration, and real life human kindness Throndor. Don't be embittered if you are reciprocated with evil or disappointment sometimes. Remember Risk v Reward?

[Throndor]

We'd still be cavemen grunting about and living in filth if no human ever wanted to change what exists for what he or she and others considered to be improvements. Narrow minded and anxious people afraid of any major changes have always existed. Most great inventors and world changers challenged the status quo and threatened the unimaginative and fearful, such as yourself.

You may have memorized a lot of trivia and facts, but you present yourself as very fearful of any major changes. :o

According to your "logic", all great religious leaders are pseudo-imperialist. Would this would would make most great inventors pseudo-imperalists too? :confused:

Arguing over the internet is fine in moderation, but please try to balance your life with some love, exploration, and real life human kindness Throndor. Don't be embittered if you are reciprocated with evil or disappointment sometimes. Remember Risk v Reward?


Except, we're not talking about changes into something "new", we're talking about REGRESSING into the environment that gave rise to WW2. Thanks for playing. Marxism, Fascism, and Communism all had their moments under the sun. They were complete utter abysmal failures, with human suffering that amounted to casualties in the hundreds of millions.

Marxism failed.
Fascism failed.
Communism failed (almost immediately, they had to drag it on for another 60 years after it's initial catastrophic affects out of sheer stubborn refusal to acknowledge that the quacking, honking, waddling thing was a duck)

Hitler's Nazi Germany was less than 10% as bad for humanity, in death count, compared to Marxism/Communism.

That shit is old hat. Get a new political theory that befits the current times. This whole "that wasn't real communism" argument is bullshit. How many billions of lives does it cost to realize "real communism"? It's not fucking worth it. let it go.

It's absolutely absurd to take the stance that "Capitalism doesn't work". If it's not actively being sabotaged by self-interest on both sides of the political aisle it gives rise to the greatest civilization the world has ever known.

Look at it like this:

China.....40 years ago a complete utter communist shithole with starvation and abject poverty rampant throughout the country.

As soon as China hybridizes their government from pure authoritarian communism to Socialism with Capitalist underpinnings: Rising Success; they're now challenging the top dog in being the world superpower while the US gets weaker as socialism takes a greater hold.

Venezuela: 20 years ago, a prosperous south/central american country under capitalism; fast forward to socialist venezuela now: Maduro is literally coercing his citizenry for votes with the promise of NOT STARVING TO DEATH.

Socialist countries in europe are rapidly nearing insolvency and they don't even have defense budgets, while simultaneously having cultures far more ethnically homogenous than the US.

Socialism doesn't work. Every single attempt has lead or is leading to utter ruin.

[Asteria]

Except, we're not talking about changes into something "new", we're talking about REGRESSING into the environment that gave rise to WW2. Thanks for playing.

Sorry, the environment will never again be as it was prior to WW2. Sorry if you really think that is possible. Technology has changed the world way too radically for this unfortunate idea. The rules of war as well as consequences have changed way too dramatically thanks to the mass production of devastating nuclear weapons. Also, the digital diet we have today (which you thoroughly enjoy apparently) helps keep people much more comfortable or apathetic/satisfied it seems and certainly didn't exist prior to WW2 either.

If you're really worried about some coming WW3, shouldn't that give you even more impetus to enjoy the beauties of the world around us while you can? ;)

[Throndor]

Sorry, the environment will never again be as it was prior to WW2. Sorry if you really think that is possible. Technology has changed the world way too radically for this unfortunate idea. The rules of war as well as consequences have changed way too dramatically thanks to the mass production of devastating nuclear weapons. Also, the digital diet we have today (which you thoroughly enjoy apparently) helps keep people much more comfortable or apathetic/satisfied it seems and certainly didn't exist prior to WW2 either.

If you're really worried about some coming WW3, shouldn't that give you even more impetus to enjoy the beauties of the world around us while you can? ;)

You really think so? Take a look at what's going on in Venezuela right now. Take a look at the clashes between the citizenry and the state.

You're right about one thing. I doubt we will see outright state-vs-state modern warfare due to ideological underpinnings again. This time, we're looking at a much more sinister beast: state-vs-its own citizenry.

The state-vs-state casualties as a result of conflicts in the world during the WW2 era account for what % of the total casualties caused by the government ideologies that rose just prior to, and in the aftermath of WW1? 15%? Far more PEOPLE died at the hands of their own state than ACTUAL CASUALTIES OF WAR EVEN IF YOU COUNT THE JAPANESE (jews and "deplorables" in Germany)(Do-Nothings and "dissidents" in communist china and russia)

When individual freedoms and liberties die in America, who's going to save us from the ensuing Purge? Ancient Aliens, and Atlanteans? The governments of the world are too powerful for the citizenry to ever launch a successful revolt against again, if they are so inclined as to not give power back to the unwillingly governed.

There's no one left to save the world if the west falls you stupid fuck. If the western world didn't step in and stop Nazi Germany, and Communist Russia, we would all be fucking dead or speaking German/Russian right now. That's how toxic Communism AND Fascism are.

[ScaringChildren]

We'd still be cavemen grunting about and living in filth if no human ever wanted to change what exists for what he or she and others considered to be improvements. Narrow minded and anxious people afraid of any major changes have always existed. Most great inventors and world changers challenged the status quo and threatened the unimaginative and fearful, such as yourself.

You may have memorized a lot of trivia and facts, but you present yourself as very fearful of any major changes. :o

According to your "logic", all great religious leaders are pseudo-imperialist. Wouldn't this make most great inventors pseudo-imperalists too? :confused:

Arguing over the internet is fine in moderation, but please try to balance your life with some love, exploration, and real life human kindness Throndor. Don't be embittered if you are reciprocated with evil or disappointment sometimes. Remember Risk v Reward?

We don't trust you.

If you try to enslave us, we will fucking kill you and everyone who tries to oppress us.

Have a good day :)

[Throndor]

How do we know it won't work if we don't try it guys?

I mean, if it turns out bad for Americans, I'm sure those Chinese will come war against the Communist US government. The Chinese are paragons of humanity and such; I mean, look at how they're saving lives by harvesting their prisoner's vital organs for transplants...saving lives and such.... if it fails, we can just lobby the Fuhrer for a mulligan. I'm sure they'll (mind the "edgy pronoun usage) understand.

[Asteria]

You really think so? Take a look at what's going on in Venezuela right now. Take a look at the clashes between the citizenry and the state.

You're right about one thing. I doubt we will see outright state-vs-state modern warfare due to ideological underpinnings again. This time, we're looking at a much more sinister beast: state-vs-its own citizenry.

The state-vs-state casualties as a result of conflicts in the world during the WW2 era account for what % of the total casualties caused by the government ideologies that rose just prior to, and in the aftermath of WW1? 15%? Far more PEOPLE died at the hands of their own state (jews and "deplorables" in Germany)(Do-Nothings and "dissidents" in communist china and russia)

Most Democratic socialist politcians and their supporters here in the USA are mostly not Communists or Marxists as far as I know. I am not. We want better healthcare, we CAN survive taxing the super wealthy more, increasing government accountability, and getting money out of politics. Most of us do not want Communism, Marxism, or Fascism.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of leftist media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some right-wing figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of right wing media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some leftist figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

[Throndor]

Most Democratic socialist politcians and their supporters here in the USA are mostly not Communists or Marxists as far as I know. I am not. We want better healthcare, we CAN survive taxing the super wealthy more, increasing government accountability, and getting money out of politics. Most of us do not want Communism, Marxism, or Fascism.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of leftist media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some right-wing figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

As a rule of thumb, many sources of right wing media will often take something incendiary or malevolent sounding some leftist figure said out of context and greatly exaggerate the malevolence of it.

Dude, Alexandria Occasional-Cortex identifies herself as a "democratic socialist". "Democratic Socialist" is a dog whistle for marxist.

Your comrades here echoing your "ideas", they've already outright admitted they were marxists a few hundred pages back. That's why they're pivotting and antagonizing on every response now instead of declaring their position.

You're way late to the party. Do we need to start the conversation over again?

Disingenuous ; not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Furtive ; attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of guilt or a belief that discovery would lead to trouble; secretive.

[misterbonkers]

https://thehardtimes.net/opinion/im-an-anime-body-pillow-heres-why-i-voted-republican/?fbclid=IwAR0Wr4xPeBVl2f1stFpvFWN04Mf4Wrty3CCOm0td KMlg1AVBIAhkPVMTKDc

[ScaringChildren]

https://thehardtimes.net/opinion/im-an-anime-body-pillow-heres-why-i-voted-republican/?fbclid=IwAR0Wr4xPeBVl2f1stFpvFWN04Mf4Wrty3CCOm0td KMlg1AVBIAhkPVMTKDc

One of the most tragic things in the past few years is how the Left became so unfunny.

You guys used to be funny.

What happened?

[Asteria]

Socialist countries in europe are rapidly nearing insolvency and they don't even have defense budgets, while simultaneously having cultures far more ethnically homogenous than the US.

Socialism doesn't work. Every single attempt has lead or is leading to utter ruin.

Sorry again, but there there have been many socialist elements in the American economy and government for quite awhile now. The reason European defense countries' budgets haven't been paying for militaries is because that is exactly the way our heads of government and the DoD have wanted it since after WW2. World War 2 was such a devastation so shortly after WW1 that our heads of state probably didn't want to trust a peace in Europe up to the Europeans again. Maybe many of our heads of state still feel this way, hence why they get so upset at President Trump even suggesting that European countries should increase their defense budgets.

If you were a true anti socialist firebrand crusader, you should be critical of the dark money that funds untold numbers of Pentagon projects. It is likely very many billions - maybe trillions - have been funneled into projects we'll either never be aware of or didn't achieve much success or real-world use. More likely though, many companies received and receive way more of your tax-paying money than they really need to pay vast sums of money to defense contractor executives and middle men that would have still been quite comfortable with 50% of the money they have received in federal contracts paid by US taxpayers like you.

[Throndor]

We want better healthcare, (A) we CAN survive taxing the super wealthy more, (B) increasing government accountability, (C) and getting money out of politics.

Read my comments over the past week.

For the underlined, I demand that we have health requirements before we can even think about socializing healthcare. I'm not going to the gym 5 days a week, eating clean and healthy, and doing everything i can to minimize MY healthcare and my family's healthcare cost so some cum guzzling pansexual soda pounding couch potato can have free health insurance on my fucking dime. Fuck you. Want cheaper healthcare?! TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF FAT AMERICA!

We are, fundamentally in disagreement on HOW to accomplish Point A)

Either the left is incredibly fucking stupid thinking that you can "Tax the rich" by increasing "Income Tax" or you are intentionally trying to destroy the middle class. THE ULTRA RICH DO NOT MAKE THEIR MONEY THIS WAY

B) You cannot increase government accountability without:
Rescinding Citizens United - Neither party is interested in dismantling this lucrative cash cow

Implementing Term Limits on the House and Senate - The left now opposes this because the Cruz et al are platforming it on the right

Demanding full asset/Estate/business holdings disclosure on our representatives in all branches - To date the Left thinks that requiring disclosure on an individual's tax returns = transparency (Newsflash, you need a hell of a lot more disclosure than their fucking "income tax" forms)

We're not even in disagreement on part C which is ultimately THE SAME THING AS POINT B

You forgot to mention, you also want the rest of us to pay for your fucking education. Not when you're majoring in Lesbian Postmodern Art History; If there's no firm consensus on how we can ensure people are studying MEANINGFUL subjects with taxpayer money, we absolutely refuse to pay for freeloaders "perusing" higher education studying un-appliable bullshit.

[Throndor]

Sorry again, but there there have been many socialist elements in the American economy and government for quite awhile now.

And the united states has been on a downward trend for several decades in academic accolades because of it.

We went from being #1 in nearly all facets of education and skilled professionals to where, exactly, under all of these "socialist" programs?

[misterbonkers]

do you notice the part where he tells you your position before you can even make an argument? he's trying to get you to defend his strawman and dialogue tree you like an npc

don't fall for it

[Asteria]

Dude, Alexandria Occasional-Cortex identifies herself as a "democratic socialist". "Democratic Socialist" is a dog whistle for marxist.

No, it is not.

Your comrades here echoing your "ideas", they've already outright admitted they were marxists a few hundred pages back. That's why they're pivotting and antagonizing on every response now instead of declaring their position.


I don't know who you're referring to and I have not identified any political comrades here. I wanted to talk to you, not swim in a river of "us" vs "you and your comrades". Am I to assume you are an pseudo authoritarianism-seeking white nationalist because some of the people on these boards that echo some of your ideas are? Maybe you are but I don't assume as you seem to about me. ;)

You're way late to the party. Do we need to start the conversation over again?
No thank you. This sounds like a pivot to me.

Disingenuous ; not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Furtive ; attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of guilt or a belief that discovery would lead to trouble; secretive.

Sorry, but this sounds kinda paranoid! :( Please don't assume anybody who challenges any of your worldviews is some idealogical Marxist/socialist. LOL :D I hope you are trolling now. Life could be much happier if you didn't judge people so harshly and play identity politics constantly based simply on the way somebody votes/what politicians they vote for/news they listen to or watch regularly....

[Throndor]

If you were a true anti socialist firebrand crusader, you should be critical of the dark money that funds untold numbers of Pentagon projects. It is likely very many billions - maybe trillions - have been funneled into projects we'll either never be aware of or didn't achieve much success or real-world use.

A lot of the government defense spending is done so to ensure we remain the Apex of military might throughout the world. I know you'd like to eliminate dark military spending; hell we all would, but its a necessary evil to make sure that some other fucking country doesn't take over and use Might to make right. If you think that the reason why everyone else is playing nice is because people and governments are inherently nice; you're fucking delusional. What, throughout human history validates this viewpoint?


We can't all be pacifists and remain at the top of the world. Someone's gotta do the dirty work of making sure you can sleep peacefully at night without fear of autocratic powers destroying the serenity our government has created out of chaos. The natural state of the world and humanity is chaos, not order. Totally baffling concept I know.

Who would've thought that we could've stopped Hitler's Encroachment by putting Michael Jackson on stage at the Super Bowl to sing some sappy shit about holding hands, across the world?

Who would've thought, that all we had to do to end the occupation of east germany and the balkans under communist rule was to use the correct word combination to dismantle the USSR's agressive posturing.

You're so fucking naive its retarded.

[ScaringChildren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

I make this same argument but leftists call me "anti-science".

[Irulan]

Have any of you people spent an appreciable time overseas?

[Asteria]

Throndor, you went back and edited some these recent posts of yours maybe several times, sometimes 10 minutes after the much shorter original...this is a bit strange! I noticed one of the postings grew to be over twice as long as the original post. We cannot go back in time in real life and change real-time coversation to look more clear, precise, correct, or intelligent than the original. :confused:

[ScaringChildren]

Does Trump get credit for this yet? (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-december-nonfarm-payrolls-grew-by-312-000-jobless-rate-rose-to-3-9-11546609016)

You guys were about to blame him for the economy a few weeks ago when the market tanked.

[Throndor]

do you notice the part where he tells you your position before you can even make an argument? he's trying to get you to defend his strawman and dialogue tree you like an npc

don't fall for it

Yet, he does go down the NPC talking points:

Vague reference to increasing government transparency without delineating what, exactly, this means; Check

"Tax the rich" (through non-effective middle-class crushing means); Check

Vague reference to government defense spending without acknowledging how defense spending and military research is absolutely essential to maintaining our dominant and security-providing position within the world; Check

Free Healthcare without being required to live healthier: Check

Free Education without being required to pursue needed avenues of education: too stupid to remember his own NPC dialogue tree

[ScaringChildren]

The PNW should be pushed into the ocean

[ScaringChildren]

If Leftists don't like Harry Potter, do they get kicked out of the Democratic party?

[maskedmelon]

The PNW should be pushed into the ocean

It's actually a really nice area. Problem is the weather is too mild and it promotes brain rot.

[Irulan]

If Leftists don't like Harry Potter, do they get kicked out of the Democratic party?

I do not really like Harry Potter, I merely tolerate it.

[Irulan]

It's actually a really nice area. Problem is the weather is too mild and it promotes brain rot.
Seems cold and wet.

[ScaringChildren]

Media pushes misleading race-baiting story, claiming a white woman calls cops on black woman. (https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/03/doorway-debbie-narrative-autism/)

Both women were hispanic.

The internet outrage mob ruins her life anyway.

[maskedmelon]

Seems cold and wet.

yeah, but lots of trees and mountains and nature. i like the weather though. find it peaceful.

[Irulan]

ready for a question by someone with a brain now

I'm taking this as a compliment.

[Throndor]

Throndor, you went back and edited some these recent posts of yours maybe several times, sometimes 10 minutes after the much shorter original...this is a bit strange! I noticed one of the postings grew to be over twice as long as the original post. We cannot go back in time in real life and change real-time coversation to look more clear, precise, correct, or intelligent than the original. :confused:

Thats because you posted a rapid fire barrage of talking points without much detail and thought reinforcing them. Lets start over again. Youve stated 4 positions. Lets start with one.

Explain, in detail, how you intend to:

"Improve healthcare": please be sure to detail how personal accountability toward individuals adopting a concientiously healthy lifestyle is part of it. The right does not want to share the healthcare costs of sipporting morbidly obese america.

How are premiums going to remain cost-effective and profitable/break evenable even if we outright publicize the healthcare insurance industry.

How are the asking prices of healthcare services going to be kept reasonable without competition?

[misterbonkers]

if they're seeking healthcare, it's clear they're trying to be healthier, and therefore deserve it

your question is stupid

[Wonkie]

Does Trump get credit for this yet? (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-december-nonfarm-payrolls-grew-by-312-000-jobless-rate-rose-to-3-9-11546609016)

You guys were about to blame him for the economy a few weeks ago when the market tanked.

who is "you guys"?

you say this a lot. it's annoying and dumb, like you.

[ScaringChildren]

who is "you guys"?

you say this a lot. it's annoying and dumb, like you.

no u dum

[Wonkie]

no u dum

i almost think you're trying to make me feel responsible for the retarded strawmans you pozit

[Irulan]

yeah, but lots of trees and mountains and nature. i like the weather though. find it peaceful.

All I know is that I want to move to Chulak.

[Throndor]

if they're seeking healthcare, it's clear they're trying to be healthier, and therefore deserve it

your question is stupid

This is a dosingenuous statement. The vast majority of americans, before ACA tripled the price of healthcare premiums were still morbidly obese.

The medical industry cannot fix an overindulgent, compulsive, lethargic lifestyle.

[Irulan]

who is "you guys"?

you say this a lot. it's annoying and dumb, like you.

Florida. It's our "dudes".

[ScaringChildren]

i almost think you're trying to make me feel responsible for the retarded strawmans you pozit

I clearly identify as a reason and would NEVER do that to my best friend.

[Wonkie]

I identify as reason incarnate and would NEVER do sex to anyone

ftfy

[misterbonkers]

This is a dosingenuous statement. The vast majority of americans, before ACA tripled the price of healthcare premiums were still morbidly obese.

The medical industry cannot fix an overindulgent, compulsive, lethargic lifestyle.

because it's not it's job to do so. it's job is to help people. not to dictate how people live.

[Irulan]

When was the last time you guys orgasmed?

[Asteria]

Yet, he does go down the NPC talking points:

Vague reference to increasing government transparency without delineating what, exactly, this means; Check

"Tax the rich" (through non-effective middle-class crushing means); Check

Vague reference to government defense spending without acknowledging how defense spending and military research is absolutely essential to maintaining our dominant and security-providing position within the world; Check

Free Healthcare without being required to live healthier: Check

Free Education without being required to pursue needed avenues of education: too stupid to remember his own NPC dialogue tree

I hope you're not referring to me here, LOL... I did not say half of these

[maskedmelon]

because it's not it's job to do so. it's job is to help people. not to dictate how people live.

it's your job to help people? what if people struggle to control themselves, how do you help them?

[Patriam1066]

it's your job to help people? what if people struggle to control themselves, how do you help them?

Hollow points

[Irulan]

Ya, sorry, tax money shouldn't subsidize obesity. This is harsh, but it is the only thing we can do in the present.

If my obesity was subsidized I would still be overweight and more miserable.

I'm great full as a person, my lack of privilege has engendered a harsh, but helpful sense of personal disciplen in this regard.

[Throndor]

Lets drop a suffix in this whole discussion:

What % of YOUR health, is YOUR fault/responsibility/Obligation to cover the costs on?
And
What % of YOUR health, is eveyone else im the country's fault/responsibility/obligation to cover the costs on?

Mind you we've already had measures in place to care for the physically and mentally infirm for the past 50 years. We're talking about YOU and I here.

I dont even have insurance. Havent been able to afford it since ACA, and its cheaper to pay the penalty + buy anitbiotics from the aquatic supply store to keep in cabinet. Used to have comprehensive HMO for 93$/month before ACA with employer matching half.

They want $689 for same plan now and my own employer aint paying for it at all since its now cost prohibitive to offer said plan. He offers a shitty high deductible ppo plan now, that used to cost 35$/month without an employer match for 189$/month after employer pays half.

[Wonkie]

it's your job to help people? what if people struggle to control themselves, how do you help them?

what if you get naked and take pictures for me? what then? this clearly invalidates bernie's economic platform

[maskedmelon]

Hollow points

your on a roll tonight.

[Throndor]

Media pushes misleading race-baiting story, claiming a white woman calls cops on black woman. (https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/03/doorway-debbie-narrative-autism/)

Both women were hispanic.

The internet outrage mob ruins her life anyway.

Well...it is trump's fault, you know.

Because mexican-americans are "white" and illegal aliens are "black".

Plus, orange man bad!

[Irulan]

Lets drop a suffix in this whole discussion:

What % of YOUR health, is YOUR fault/responsibility/Obligation to cover the costs on?
And
What % of YOUR health, is eveyone else im the country's fault/responsibility/obligation to cover the costs on?

Mind you we've already had measures in place to care for the physically and mentally infirm for the past 50 years. We're talking about YOU and I here.

I dont even have insurance. Havent been able to afford it since ACA, and its cheaper to pay the penalty + buy anitbiotics from the aquatic supply store to keep in cabinet. Used to have comprehensive HMO for 93$/month before ACA with employer matching half.

They want $689 for same plan now and my own employer aint paying for it at all since its now cost prohibitive to offer said plan. He offers a shitty high deductible ppo plan now, that used to cost 35$/month without an employer match for 189$/month after employer pays half.

^^^^^^^^^^^

[Irulan]

what if you get naked and take pictures for me? what then? this clearly invalidates bernie's economic platform

This seems harmless. Why is it relevant?

[misterbonkers]

When was the last time you guys orgasmed?

last night

it's your job to help people? what if people struggle to control themselves, how do you help them?

it's health care's job to help and assist people who need and want it to live. dunno where you got the idea that it's -my- job. and that's a difficult question, one we still struggle with that isn't easily answered. it would have to be on a case by case judgement call.

[maskedmelon]

what if you get naked and take pictures for me? what then? this clearly invalidates bernie's economic platform

I'm sorry, I was too indirect. The government is people, it is funded by us. If it's job is to help people, then our job is to help people. How do you help people who destroy themselves with and without assistance you provide? (i know the answer, this is a exercise)

[Throndor]

^^^^^^^^^^^

The Obama legacy! Cost prohibitive healthcare for healthy. Free healthcare for the fat, compulsive, lazy, and unemployed.

America was founded by fat, compulsive, lazy, unemployed people. Read it in a book once. Lets go play some golf.

[Throndor]

I'm sorry, I was too indirect. The government is people, it is funded by us. If it's job is to help people, then our job is to help people. How do you help people who destroy themselves with and without assistance you provide? (i know the answer, this is a exercise)

Sugary drink taxes!

Alcohol taxes!

Cigarette taxes!

Gas taxes!

Tax taxes!

Air taxes!

[Wonkie]

I'm sorry, I was too indirect. The government is people, it is funded by us. If it's job is to help people, then our job is to help people. How do you help people who destroy themselves with and without assistance you provide? (i know the answer, this is a exercise)

i believe strongly in personal liberty. i will not sacrifice it to the dark god mammon and im pretty miffed at you for wanting to!

[Irulan]

last night
Cool, this was a subtle jib at wonkie as and SC. Sorry you slid in there with your post.

It was meant as a pointer to a specific memory adress.

No judgment either way.

I think 6 days for me now.

[maskedmelon]

last night



it's health care's job to help and assist people who need and want it to live. dunno where you got the idea that it's -my- job. and that's a difficult question, one we still struggle with that isn't easily answered. it would have to be on a case by case judgement call.

ohhhh, i missed part of Theodore question. Thought it was about government. Please correct me sooner in the future so I look dumb less longer.

[Irulan]

The Obama legacy! Cost prohibitive healthcare for healthy. Free healthcare for the fat, compulsive, lazy, and unemployed.

America was founded by fat, compulsive, lazy, unemployed people. Read it in a book once. Lets go play some golf.

I too am really mad about this. That $500 y/r would go a long way for me.

Thankfully the VA qualifies.

I just hate seeing the kind of behavior that I witnessed as so damaging perpetuated systematically for some bozos profit.

[maskedmelon]

i believe strongly in personal liberty. i will not sacrifice it to the dark god mammon and im pretty miffed at you for wanting to!

i actually don't want to. I'd prefer we shame people for destructive behavior, but we don't like that.

[Wonkie]

i actually don't want to. I'd prefer we shame people for destructive behavior, but we don't like that.

then knock it off.

[Wonkie]

i actually don't want to. I'd prefer we shame people for destructive behavior, but we don't like that.

https://youtu.be/V_laNt7Sh6g

[Patriam1066]

i believe strongly in personal liberty. i will not sacrifice it to the dark god mammon and im pretty miffed at you for wanting to!

Then why do I pay insurance for others to use their liberty less effectively than I do?????

[Irulan]

i actually don't want to. I'd prefer we shame people for destructive behavior, but we don't like that.

Shame is neither good nor bad. It is however a symptom of their behavior whether we dole it out or not it will exist.

Shame on us for ignoring the process.

[maskedmelon]

then knock it off.

did you really miss it? i am sad now.

[misterbonkers]

ohhhh, i missed part of Theodore question. Thought it was about government. Please correct me sooner in the future so I look dumb less longer.

i mean, i support gov't funding of healthcare so it's not like your question is far off the mark, and i still give you the benefit of being a good faith poster unlike mr. p or scared child

[Wonkie]

Then why do I pay insurance for others to use their liberty less effectively than I do?????

https://i.imgur.com/6bFBsw0.jpg

[Wonkie]

https://i.imgur.com/uj07DUE.jpg

[Wonkie]

wonkie why did u change ur sig from heartwarming to incomprehensible + gay

to annoy dino and throndor. im gonna change it again soon when i remember the idea i had earlier

[maskedmelon]

https://i.imgur.com/uj07DUE.jpg

should the government pay for people's healthcare when they behave liek this?

[Throndor]

Fascism is a rightwing healthcare ideology. It's the idea that people should all be united in a quest for "free" national healthcare.

The diligently healthy people already living a healthy lifestyle should be taxed, because artificially restoring the health of the group is the most important thing.

[maskedmelon]

i mean, i support gov't funding of healthcare so it's not like your question is far off the mark, and i still give you the benefit of being a good faith poster unlike mr. p or scared child

well thank you, mr bones.

[Wonkie]

should the government pay for people's healthcare when they behave liek this?

yeah its called personal liberty, bitch

[Throndor]

should the government pay for people's healthcare when they behave liek this?

We should mimic socialist China in this regard. If i get lung cancer from smoking, we should just have one our prisoners "volunteer' for a lung donarship so i can get a transplant.

[Throndor]

yeah its called personal liberty, bitch

Here goes wonkie, pivotting to the right when his leftist position becomes untenable.

Personal liberty = personal responsibility, pedo-fag.

[maskedmelon]

yeah its called personal liberty, bitch

no, someone eating that way is liberty. paying someone to eat that way is stupidity.

[misterbonkers]

should the government pay for people's healthcare when they behave liek this?

yes

[Wonkie]

no, someone eating that way is liberty. paying someone to eat that way is stupidity.

there you go again selling our souls to mammon

i thought i asked you to knock it off?