Nostalrius/Elysium

[richice]

Anyone checking out the vanilla wow servers tomorrow? After coming back to P1999 I've been having so much fun, and the community is amazing. I actually really like the slow play of EQ. I only heard about the Nostalrius wow server when Blizzard sent them a C&D letter. Now after several months, they gave their game to Elysium who will be bringing it back. They will also be releasing a fresh server in January some time. I was pretty excited to hear they were coming back, since I never got to try them. However, in the search to find a decent game I stumbled across my old P1999 account, and am having a blast... decisions decisions.

[AzzarTheGod]

exp on nost is 1x basically all the players are unemployed or on drugs and have endless time

so it will just be a butthurt fest of socially awkward low T weirdos ( like red99 )

have fun tho

ba boom

[Spyder73]

Just play WoW if you want to play WoW. The live version is infinitely better than vanilla. The new artifact system is pretty cool

[AzzarTheGod]

Just play WoW if you want to play WoW. The live version is infinitely better than vanilla. The new artifact system is pretty cool

I think TESO might even stack bundles on vanilla WoW.

But vanilla WoW world PvP griefing, etc is pretty good.

[maskedmelon]

I think TESO might even stack bundles on vanilla WoW.

But vanilla WoW world PvP griefing, etc is pretty good.

TESO wasn't so super awful as peeps like to say ^^ it was just WAY too fast play for me :/

Yes, I am retarded ^^

[Trajor]

If any P99'ers on the Nost PvE server are looking for a casual, mature, leveling guild, look for <Misericordia>. Tharyn, Jaseve, Vestige can invite - just tell them you saw my post.

[Goobles]

We're starting an Alliance guild on the new Elysium server.

gonna be fun ;)

[Tankdan]

Just play WoW if you want to play WoW. The live version is infinitely better than vanilla.

Said no self-respecting person, ever.

[Spyder73]

Said no self-respecting person, ever.

I can safely and accurately say that Legion is better than vanilla is any/every possible way. Please tell me 1 thing vanilla has that Legion doesn't (besides misplaced nostalgia). I'll even start

1) Transmog farming is fun
2) PvP is in a good place with balancing
3) World pvp is at an all time high/centralized due to World Questing. 10000x better than Tarrin Mill/South Shore
4) New raids are pretty gud
5) Quality of Life changes over the last 15 years are excellent
6) 95% of the player base is unable to clear current Mythic content (no face roll)
7) There are 4 raid difficulty levels so you can be as neckbeardy or casual as you choose. Mythic raiding is pretty ridiculous, need good guild to progress
8) NEW content is still being produced at an incredible rate - First real raid tier (Nighthold) drops mid Jan.
9) Addition of Demon Hunters and Death Knights
10) Artifact weapons!!!!

[jolanar]

I can safely and accurately say that Legion is better than vanilla is any/every possible way. Please tell me 1 thing vanilla has that Legion doesn't (besides misplaced nostalgia).


Why do you even play P99 then? You could say all the same shit about 'improvements' on EQLive. Got to be one of the back asswards posts I've seen in a long time on these forums.

I've tried Legion. It sucks. It's an extremely polished turd, but it's still a turd.

[Priceline]

I can safely and accurately say that Legion is better than vanilla is any/every possible way. Please tell me 1 thing vanilla has that Legion doesn't (besides misplaced nostalgia). I'll even start

1) Transmog farming is fun
2) PvP is in a good place with balancing
3) World pvp is at an all time high/centralized due to World Questing. 10000x better than Tarrin Mill/South Shore
4) New raids are pretty gud
5) Quality of Life changes over the last 15 years are excellent
6) 95% of the player base is unable to clear current Mythic content (no face roll)
7) There are 4 raid difficulty levels so you can be as neckbeardy or casual as you choose. Mythic raiding is pretty ridiculous, need good guild to progress
8) NEW content is still being produced at an incredible rate - First real raid tier (Nighthold) drops mid Jan.
9) Addition of Demon Hunters and Death Knights
10) Artifact weapons!!!!

counter arguments as to why vanilla is better:

1) no transmog, the gear you wear is what you EARNED in current content.
2) PvP has vanilla rank system and none of that normalized stat bs in legion
3) wpvp (lol)
4) og 40man raids, legion is just rehashed garbage "dont stand in X"
5) QoL changes?? aka dumbing down the game. outside of healers does anyone have more then 4 buttons?
6) Mythic is just artificial difficulty, mob has more hp and does more dmg.. WOOOOWWWW
7) Raids should be for those willing to put in the time, not any neckbeard who can hit the LFR button (see BDA's move to phinny)
8) "NEW" content term used loosely, same rehashed shit told badly and heavily influenced by what is/was currently popular (broken shore = a game of thrones episode)
9) no DK's and emohunters
10) no artifact weapons

[Spyder73]

Why do you even play P99 then? You could say all the same shit about 'improvements' on EQLive. Got to be one of the back asswards posts I've seen in a long time on these forums.

I've tried Legion. It sucks. It's an extremely polished turd, but it's still a turd.

So your argument is if you love classic of one thing, you must also love classic of another? The difference between EQ live and P99 is not the same as classic WoW and Legion. This is only my opinion and you are welcome to have a differing opinion.

[Priceline]

forgot the most important reason why vanilla > live, NO BLOOD ELVES!!! reject alliance race, only reason they were added was to help balance factions. bnet kiddies "needed" a pretty race on horde

[burkemi5]

Retail wow... LOL. So horrible.

You can literally 2 man entire dungeons with ease. Nothing can kill you unless you pull a completely unreasonable amount of mobs. CC... LOL? What's that? No CC required at all for anything, ever. Every class can face tank 3-5 mobs easily and not lose more than 25% health. Retail wow is an abomination of what made classic wow good and now only exists to print money and re-norm what a "good" mmo is "supposed" to be. Fuck me, I wish i had the 30 bucks back I wasted on two months of retail wow. Never again.

[Spyder73]

Retail wow... LOL. So horrible.

You can literally 2 man entire dungeons with ease. Nothing can kill you unless you pull a completely unreasonable amount of mobs. CC... LOL? What's that? No CC required at all for anything, ever. Every class can face tank 3-5 mobs easily and not lose more than 25% health. Retail wow is an abomination of what made classic wow good and now only exists to print money and re-norm what a "good" mmo is "supposed" to be. Fuck me, I wish i had the 30 bucks back I wasted on two months of retail wow. Never again.

You obviously have not played WoW in a very long time, let alone this expansion

[burkemi5]

I played retail wow like three months ago. I got to like level 63 before I realized I was wasting a shitload of my time. If what I said isn't true, it's because I didn't get to max level. And it's bullshit that suddenly what I said doesn't apply to the most groundbreaking content. How are you supposed to teach people how to play your game unless its mechanics only show up for the end game? That's fugging dumb. The same basic mechanics that apply to level 10 also apply to level 60 in EQ, unless you're uber geared, which is always the exception.

If that is true, then why even bother making people level up in the first place? Retail wow is dumb.

[Goobles]

Retail wow is dumb.

Thanks for your opinion. It's duly noted.

[Wiley]

Far too crowded on either server at the moment, even the rather unpopular leveling zones like Desolace are loaded. I'll probably wait till that fresh realm comes out and the hype simmers down.

[Grubbz]

Elysium will be a PvP realm and will follow the same progress as the two older realms regarding timeline and items. The timeline will be revealed next Sunday.

We look forward to seeing you on January 7th!

[Goobles]

Soooo in!

[Swish]

Elysium will be a PvP realm and will follow the same progress as the two older realms regarding timeline and items. The timeline will be revealed next Sunday.

We look forward to seeing you on January 7th!

Surely that's going to be even busier than the current servers? If I see a gold farmer before 7 days in I'm calling "in-house" gold selling from the hosts.

[Swish]

I preferred world pvp and battlegrounds to the arena setup in TBC... raiding was probably better/at its best in TBC though. If there's the demand someone's gonna do it eventually.

[NegaStoat]

WPE Pro works on the server past the char select screen, which means the Warden anti-cheat is either disabled or too primitive to catch any contemporary hacks. Until this is changed, play on Valkyrie's servers at your own risk. Unless you want to take advantage of it and run around in perma inviso mode killing peeps.

[JurisDictum]

I played WoW on Vanilla live and was the 2nd or 3rd shaman to get 60...dude it's just a myth. Things weren't any better for the most part than they are now. It was slower to level...but it was not hard at all -- and same with the group and raid zones. Not to mention there was a good amount of bugs and a much lower amount of quests in some areas.

If you didn't play on live then, you missed the boat.

[Goobles]

We have 20+ strong ready to roll on Jan 7 release

[Grubbz]

We have 20+ strong ready to roll on Jan 7 release

You guys gonna form a guild? If so let me know the name when its formed and ill join up.

[SamwiseRed]

some of us are staying on the old server. leveling on the new server is gonna be a nightmare. it was already shitty on the old server with hundreds of people in the newb starting areas. i cant imagine thousands. good luck.

[pasi]

Leveling when Nost released was terrible.
They did add dynamic spawn rates (spawn rates based on the number of players in the area) which I'm guessing Elysium incorporated as they're using Nost's code.

It will be bad, but it shouldn't be anything close to as bad as Nost was on launch.

I'm on once or twice a weekly dueling outside of IF on ketchup.
Not really a ton to do at 60 in Vanilla WoW, game is boring before ELO PvP (arenas) imo.

[SamwiseRed]

Leveling when Nost released was terrible.
They did add dynamic spawn rates (spawn rates based on the number of players in the area) which I'm guessing Elysium incorporated as they're using Nost's code.

It will be bad, but it shouldn't be anything close to as bad as Nost was on launch.

I'm on once or twice a weekly dueling outside of IF on ketchup.
Not really a ton to do at 60 in Vanilla WoW, game is boring before ELO PvP (arenas) imo.

that shit isnt incorperated and if it is it is not enuff.

[Goobles]

I miss you SammySamwise

[SamwiseRed]

http://i.imgur.com/7yH3stX.jpg

Tairne Bloodhoof

[Goobles]

im going to roll alli on the new server <3

[katrik]

Having a blast! Holla @ Tikiri on PVE alli.

[Squabbles123]

having extensively played several vanilla WoW emus over the past several years i can safely say what i thought was a good game was simply nostalgia

vanilla WoW is actually very bad in many regards

old school alterac valley is really the only decent thing, however it varies from server to server and most of the time the metagame is just to just avoid pvp altogether and race to kill the other team's boss

TBC had the good parts of vanilla WoW except it wasn't completely horribly designed in most ways

unfortunately, there has never been and probably never will be a decent TBC emu server

Vanilla WoW is a good game, better than the current game IMO. Its biggest issue was the lack of viable talent specs at end-game, those were pretty bad, putting all the hybrids into healing, giving DPS 1 maybe 2 good specs, making EVERY Warrior tank, etc.

Classic EQ is vastly better balanced at launch.

[katrik]

Actually love the dnd approach to talents. 'Sort of' viable, but not the best and shouldn't be. Also, warriors are some of the best dps if geared and played properly. Same with ferals & pally tanks.

[Squabbles123]

Actually love the dnd approach to talents. 'Sort of' viable, but not the best and shouldn't be. Also, warriors are some of the best dps if geared and played properly. Same with ferals & pally tanks.

Depends on where you are at end-game.

MC-BWL = Warriors could really only tank, Fury/Arms dps was well below the primary DPS classes and having off-tanks was more important.

Post AQ-40 into Naxx, yes, Fury warriors could finally do good damage.

Same is true with Ferals and Pally tanks. Early on? No way. Post AQ-40? Sure whatever.

[nilbog]

Depends on where you are at end-game.

MC-BWL = Warriors could really only tank, Fury/Arms dps was well below the primary DPS classes and having off-tanks was more important.

Post AQ-40 into Naxx, yes, Fury warriors could finally do good damage.

Same is true with Ferals and Pally tanks. Early on? No way. Post AQ-40? Sure whatever.

I was tanking MC with a feral druid on the last Nostalrius server with little problem. Hail my brothers in Massivus Backhandeth still on p99.

The non-vanilla™ issue with druids on these emulators is that the talents are not actually the way the game played originally (http://www.restokin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Old_Talents_A.jpg). Druids, for example, had a bottom balance talent of hurricane. Innervate wasn't a spell, but the bottom talent for resto. Feral was trash. There are lots of changes because of the 1.12 content which make it easier.

[katrik]

Depends on where you are at end-game.

MC-BWL = Warriors could really only tank, Fury/Arms dps was well below the primary DPS classes and having off-tanks was more important.

Post AQ-40 into Naxx, yes, Fury warriors could finally do good damage.

Same is true with Ferals and Pally tanks. Early on? No way. Post AQ-40? Sure whatever.

No way. Fury wars can do amazing dps now. It just needs to be itemized and played well. But yes, pallys/bears are mostly fine for 5 mans.

[pasi]

Fury warriors and rogues are the top damage class on raids at the current stage as well. Emulated servers have yet to properly address glancing blows, but the gap between fury/rogue and anyone else is gigantic. Even with proper glancing blows, the gap would still be large.

Warriors scale better than any class and people try hard enough so that the top guilds have all r14 weapons. I don't know of any guild that does BWL without starting with onyxia and ZG buff. This is in addition to fill consumables.

As nilbog mentioned, these servers all have 1.12 talents. The biggest change from live is warriors having a strong protection tree. Shield slam wasn't added until BWL and it didn't get an aggro modifier until a patch after that. Thus, specs like DPS warriors sucked on live due to threat capping until protection revamp. Hunters who ignored threat were much better.

I'm standard bliz fashion, the first guilds to tackle content faced a far more difficult and/or "bugged" version of it. They did include original onyxia in nostalrius, but that was the extent of it.

Lastly, there was a massive change to the 5 second rule that was patched in after MC was cleared. When MC launched, you went into the 5 second rule when you started a cast as opposed to finishing one. Very large change for healers.

Overall, the game would still be a breeze if you took emulator level players and put them in an appropriate server, but yeah, it was a little harder

[Pokesan]

some real good nerd drama recently on elysium

i'm pretty shocked to find out the staff of a free server was making rl dollars from it

[katrik]

Yeah, I'm reading all sorts of things. I don't know what to take at face value.

[AzzarTheGod]

some real good nerd drama recently on elysium

i'm pretty shocked to find out the staff of a free server was making rl dollars from it

;) lmao

The other major WoW emu was also running the fake Chineese farmers operations and supplying them directly. Swish called it.

[Pokesan]

oh dear now it appears the nost/elysium core got leaked

fun times!!

[Swish]

;) lmao

The other major WoW emu was also running the fake Chineese farmers operations and supplying them directly. Swish called it.

It's the perfect cover really - I'm not surprised. Did Blizzard know this all along?

[NegaStoat]

It's the perfect cover really - I'm not surprised. Did Blizzard know this all along?

A former GM of Nostalrius (Cantrip) confirmed that several server staff members were involved in dealing with the Chinese gold selling site owners, which was the major reason why they shut down after a single C&D letter from Blizzard. The door was completely open for Blizz to launch a financial investigation for all of the server staff members, and that was something that a few of them wanted to avoid at all costs.

What recently happened over at Elysium/Valkyrie doesn't surprise me at all. The thing that folks have to remember is that the original Valkyrie project had RMT available from the project itself - you could purchase both leveled characters and gold that were created out of thin air by the staff on their website. When Valkyrie decided to make their move in adopting the Nostalrius character database with the plan to entice old Nostalrius players to head over to their new server, all of the original Valkyrie website was shitcanned and a new site was presented.

The idea that the server project itself was willing to include RMT as part of the game was something they knew the old Nostalrius players wouldn't accept - it was a major sticking point for people rolling on Kronos. Why on earth Vitaly made an agreement with the Chinese is beyond me, unless they made him a very good deal while holding back a threat of insanely thick DDoS strikes.

This last part is simply conjecture though. It's the earlier parts that were confirmed from those watching it go down when it happened.

[Swish]

Quite eye opening really. I think its a level 10 requirement to talk in public channels on Elysium (you know, because of the "gold sellers") but these bots just send whispers instead so it doesn't work.

I think I'm done with emulated Warcraft, seems nobody can run a straight up server without some kind of shitness at the top of it. Dare I say I want Blizzard to release a classic era Warcraft server in the hope that they'll do it properly? :p

[AzzarTheGod]

:eek::eek::eek:
:D:D:D

:o

[Baler]

Anyone remember 2007?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUhSjuhQYE

[Swish]

Haha yeah, later that year came a classic (for the time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmyoDP3NuRw

[Pokesan]

server offline due to a $2000 chargeback by some guild

others think this is an excuse for one last payday cashgrab

dem ruskies is some slippery folk

[georgie]

Floated down to ungoro literally landed on a devilsaur ready to be skinned. I guess thats about as close as xteam ninja looting goes.

[georgie]

A former GM of Nostalrius (Cantrip) confirmed that several server staff members were involved in dealing with the Chinese gold selling site owners, which was the major reason why they shut down after a single C&D letter from Blizzard. The door was completely open for Blizz to launch a financial investigation for all of the server staff members, and that was something that a few of them wanted to avoid at all costs.

What recently happened over at Elysium/Valkyrie doesn't surprise me at all. The thing that folks have to remember is that the original Valkyrie project had RMT available from the project itself - you could purchase both leveled characters and gold that were created out of thin air by the staff on their website. When Valkyrie decided to make their move in adopting the Nostalrius character database with the plan to entice old Nostalrius players to head over to their new server, all of the original Valkyrie website was shitcanned and a new site was presented.

The idea that the server project itself was willing to include RMT as part of the game was something they knew the old Nostalrius players wouldn't accept - it was a major sticking point for people rolling on Kronos. Why on earth Vitaly made an agreement with the Chinese is beyond me, unless they made him a very good deal while holding back a threat of insanely thick DDoS strikes.

This last part is simply conjecture though. It's the earlier parts that were confirmed from those watching it go down when it happened.

Got a link?

[katrik]

<--- retard

[Whirled]

I played for a bit on Anathema, but the profession skills got bugged and dont work properly. I sent in a bug report a few times aboutit, but no resolution. Needless to say, I do not log in anymore. It as fun though while it lasted. The PvP was decent & if you avoided the wackadoodles & the vomit in chat; you could meet some good players worldwide.

[georgie]

What's the bug

[Whirled]

What's the bug

One of my characters professions got bugged. I had another character that they worked just fine. Sadly, it was the higher lvl character that was kerflaffed up and I ran out of steam to level the other. So; in essence, it was a character bug.

[Nads]

Best private server out there at the moment imo. 55 rogue on Anathema, and really enjoying the hell out of it.