Kunark Beta server progress

[DevGrousis]

I know i'm going to get the "we dont talk about Kunark" thing that people like to say, so i'll say this in advance: stfu i dont care

Kunark Beta server has been up for a little while now, and I dont see too many people in there too often. So how is it progressing? I'm not interested in a date that Kunark will be released. I just want to get an idea, because my older brother who lives in New York (i live all the way in california) loves EQ but doesnt want to play til Kunark comes out due to the (terribly bad) hybrid penalty on his fav class, the Ranger.

Which brings me to my next point. Will the hybrid penalties be lifted when Kunark is released? I actually remember them taking the penalty off prior to Kunark, after SOE actually apologized for the penalty saying it was failed policy and didnt make any sense lol

[Cribanox]

Sorry to tell you this but I dont think it was until after Velious was launched that the penatly was ever removed for the hybrids, and I think at the same time they added a bigger group bonus per person.

[Cars]

I am going to search high and low for this but I am almost certain it was Kunark. I played a pally on live and people were talking about this when i was leveling my main in Karnors, which would have been just after the launch of kunark.

[Scrooge]

Long as the main P99 server is up, the Beta server won't see any real numbers...until maybe Seb and/or VP.

[DevGrousis]

If you look through my old posts i linked to the letter of apology that Verant (spelling?) made to us lol

it should have a date on it.

[Darkforge]

As i remember the -% exp penilty was not lifted in Kunark. I was a paladin on live and i remember it still being in when i was exping in Dreadlands.

[Cars]

As i remember the -% exp penilty was not lifted in Kunark. I was a paladin on live and i remember it still being in when i was exping in Dreadlands.

yeah your right, I just read every patch note from Kunark launch to about 2 months into velious and nothing mentioned about the xp penalty being lifted... which isn't the best news for anyone playing a hybrid now.

[Darkforge]

Yea i just looked it up myself, Sorry man, if you friend wants to play in kunark, with no xp hit. Better play a rogue or warrior =D

[Gorgetrapper]

I don't care about the kunark progression right now, I just wish the server could be taken down for the update it sorely needs.

[Ritley]

I don't really care about an estimation of when it's going to be out, but how long in advance will we know? Am I just going to log in one day with kunark being up, or are we going to get a one or two week notice?

[TJHooker]

I don't really care about an estimation of when it's going to be out, but how long in advance will we know? Am I just going to log in one day with kunark being up, or are we going to get a one or two week notice?

Why do you need 2 weeks notice? Buy socks and Hot Pockets now...

[quellren]

Sorry to tell you this but I dont think it was until after Velious was launched that the penatly was ever removed for the hybrids, and I think at the same time they added a bigger group bonus per person.

Jan 14, 2001.

Roughly a month after Velious release. You are correct.

[DevGrousis]

OH MY GOD, i think my whole world just turned upside down. i thought that i started just as Kunark came out, but I now think i may have started as Velius came out.. i know i'm being dramatic but that is kinda trippin me out lol i had always termed myself a 'pre kunark' dude. my whole life has been a lie :( lol

after goin back, it looks like you guys were right and it was Velius that abolished slavery.. i mean xp penalties.

either way, I am still a firm believer in not having xp penalties except where needed (iksar and troll for their regenerative abilities). In the end, it was a mistake that EQ Devs were sorry for making in the first place, and as a progressive group of intellectual thinkers, we should learn from their mistake... ??

did that work on anyone? didnt think so. TAKE OFF TEH GD XP PENALTIES!!!

:D

[quellren]

{snipped}.. TAKE OFF TEH GD XP PENALTIES!!!

:D

I'm 100% with you, but it's been clearly stated by the HMFIC that it won't happen.

Ironically, I don't care so much because it would speed up my leveling, but because it sickens me to be in a group that turns away the shaman or Shadowknight because 'he'll kill our exp'.

Nevermind both are amazing classes that add enormously to the party.

I've been on both sides of that 'shunning' coin (as a shaman and a necro) and each one blows.

[DevGrousis]

yeah i feel you :( I wasn't aware that Shaman had an exp penalty as well!

what is the HMFIC??

[quellren]

The shaman penalty may or may not exist, some people say they do because of the pet, some say no, because they aren't hybrid... either way public perception is enough in most cases.
Being a Troll made matters worse.

HMFIC= Head Mother Fucker In Charge.
military slang for the boss man.

[Kassel]

Shaman dont have a class penalty.

[Pyrocat]

Shaman dont have a class penalty.

No wisdom casters have penalties.


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002
Exp penalties by class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

[mimixownzall]

*DISCLAIMER*: I know that the devs are the final say and they can do as they damn well please. So when I give my opinion, I am not being an ass or trying to be one.

I, honestly, don't see why they would change the boat route in OOT (which isn't classic) saying they are fixing a mistake Verant had, YET they don't ditch the group penalty which Verant has admitted was a mistake.

I'm just not a fan of inconsistencies.

[Icaro]

*DISCLAIMER*: I know that the devs are the final say and they can do as they damn well please. So when I give my opinion, I am not being an ass or trying to be one.

I, honestly, don't see why they would change the boat route in OOT (which isn't classic) saying they are fixing a mistake Verant had, YET they don't ditch the group penalty which Verant has admitted was a mistake.

I'm just not a fan of inconsistencies.

I agree. Also in my opinion going classic doesn't mean that EVERYTHING must be as the original version.

After all, I guess that all casters around agree on the fact that having to look at a book while medding was just stupid.

And not doing it is not taking away any classic feeling...

[fischsemmel]

*DISCLAIMER*: I know that the devs are the final say and they can do as they damn well please. So when I give my opinion, I am not being an ass or trying to be one.

I, honestly, don't see why they would change the boat route in OOT (which isn't classic) saying they are fixing a mistake Verant had, YET they don't ditch the group penalty which Verant has admitted was a mistake.

I'm just not a fan of inconsistencies.

There's a difference between those examples, imo.

The boat thing in oot was just someone being too stupid to realize what direct east and west were. But the XP thing wasn't a "mistake" in the same sense. It was maybe a poor design decision, it was maybe a design decision that many people didn't like, etc. But it wasn't like a typo in a spell description.

"Fixing" stuff like the boat and the typo don't change the classic experience, imo. But removing something as significant as the XP penalties would be.

[Evilmog]

No wisdom casters have penalties.


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1002
Exp penalties by class:
Paladin / Shadowknight / Ranger / Bard -40%
Monk -20%
Wizard / Magician / Enchanter / Necromancer -10%
Rogue +9%
Warrior +10%

Isn't race penalties built into the group exp +/- also?

If so:

What are the experience penalties/bonuses?
By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

Yes shammy's have a penalty, Since they can only be Troll / Ogre / Barb / or Iksar (for kunark)

[john_savage1982]

To those trying to find logic in what is included/not included in the classic experience on P1999 - just stop. For the most part, the classic portion of P1999 is completely decided by the devs. For example, the magician summoned sword "sword of rune" should proc on non-elemental mobs when given to a pet - this happened all the way to kunark. However, this isn't so on P1999. On live, this was likely an unintended problem. However, there are a lot of "unintended" problems in classic that some would call "the classic experience" and others call "bugs that should have never existed."

In some respects, the line is drawn arbitrarily by the devs. If you don't like it, go cry. Devs have made it clear over and over they don't give a crap about anybody who plays.

[nilbog]

I figured this thread would become haven for complaining. OP, if you want to make a thread telling us why you don't like exp penalties, you should do it in rants and flames. I've heard enough of it. I did play a paladin in classic, and the exp penalty is alive and well exactly where it should be.

*DISCLAIMER*: I know that the devs are the final say and they can do as they damn well please. So when I give my opinion, I am not being an ass or trying to be one.

I, honestly, don't see why they would change the boat route in OOT (which isn't classic) saying they are fixing a mistake Verant had, YET they don't ditch the group penalty which Verant has admitted was a mistake.

I'm just not a fan of inconsistencies.

We didn't make the boats run correctly on purpose...at least to my knowledge. Mixxit made the boats work here originally. If he made them work that way, then that's how they work. I'm not touching it until we have a better system. So, this isn't an issue that was decided upon by the round table.

Verant exp penalties. Yeah I wonder why they removed those. Could be something having to do with showeq revealing the real experience numbers of each class/race, and then the eq live community bitching, similiar to how players bitch about it now. Soon after, they made other great decisions, like Luclin and Planes of Power. :P

If you don't like it, go cry. Devs have made it clear over and over they don't give a crap about anybody who plays.

We care about Everquest. Do you care about me, John? If so, we can be friends.