@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[kotton05]

No csr. No petitons. I'd welcome the wild west

[saujee]

Thank you for all your kind posts. There seems to be no alternative to racing.
It seems the only solution would be to join them.

[kotton05]

You didn't experience the kunark / vanilla era. Just move along suprised it took this long for you to realize this ... you either join, start your own or join chest

Should lobby for less rules

[Pan]

I've long held that the staff controls the resource distribution curve (with the ruleset and how they enforce it).

In my time on p99, the loot/target distribution has looked much the same (apart from the TMO monopoly and R/C/FFA eras) - in that there have been two at the top fighting for dominance and serially consuming as much as they can. The guild names and the guild leaders change, but the outcome remains the same.

On the most basic level, I'm okay with that. Rogean's box, Rogean's rules. And if the two AAs (or whatever came before them or will replace them in the future) are adhering to the ruleset (as enforced) more or less, the outcomes will be the same as they've always been.

We'll (collectively) get cooperative now and then like we do, but to expect anything different (from the history that we've experienced) is probably silly.

In other words, it is what it's been...and will continue to be what it was.

It's on Rogean to decide which parts of the playerbase he wants to cater to...and, as it stands, it's to the more aggressive. His box, his rules.

It's on all of us to decide whether we want to log in and play under those rules.

Again, there's lots to be said for cooperation and being generous. But that's not the norm...and it's pretty ridiculous, historically, to expect too much of that too often.

If permanent, substantive changes come, I think they'll come from the top down rather than the bottom up. It's ultimately Rogean's call which types of players (aggressive vs. more casual on a continuum) he wants his system to serve with which targets/loots.

We all have ALL kinds of ideas about how to make it better or how to tweak things...whatever. But that's not our call. It's his. He's had prettymuch the same thing for as long as I've been around. So I have to believe that's what he wants and likes HIS box to look like.

[Raev]

I just dont understand why enjoying the mobilization races is a mentality for PvP server or FPS games according to some.

I don't understand why you think there are mobilization races here. All that matters is FTE poopsocking and preparking an army of alts.

[Ravager]

Accept that this servers raid scene will always be a cluster? I'll call that the BDA route.

You've got two different view points that will never agree. The casuals will keep shouting "we just want to experience raid content without having to track 16 hour Windows and race" and the hardcore will keep shouting "why don't you show up to race and put in the effort if you want these mobs". It's like Democrats and Republicans yelling at each other. Rustle is a prime example of this. They were one of those parties, decided to change their priorities and now are the other party complaining about the very shit they did for months and years in the past. That's mostly why I find Getsome showboating about sharing laughable.

It's a difference of opinion that cannot be reconciled. Your best bet is to come to some treaties on the crappy Lord Feshlaks of the world in exchange for a no-compete on Vulak or Dozekar, their preciouses.
Full repops on variance is the common ground. I've never heard an argument against it and every repop only has posts about how fun it was. This should be a thing 5 years ago.

[saujee]

However, I would rather quit this game than abandon my guild mates if the only option is to join Usain Bolts team and win races just to kill some harder bosses because it wont be the same killing those bosses without my guild mates that I have shared the majority of my time with.
Unfortunately there is just not enough end of velious content to cater for more guilds and is just an unrewarding time sink for the unlucky guilds losing races.

I guess my EQ classic experience has come to an end then.

Thank You Sirken and Team for the awesome experience. It has been a pleasure and Thank You to the community of p1999 for maintaining the community and spirit of EQ.

On the brighter side of things. I achieved everything I never got to achieve back in the day in 1999.

[Erati]

I don't understand why you think there are mobilization races here. All that matters is FTE poopsocking and preparking an army of alts.

Have you ever been to a repop?

[Daldaen]

Full repops on variance is the common ground. I've never heard an argument against it and every repop only has posts about how fun it was. This should be a thing 5 years ago.

Because Rogean doesn't want to. His reasoning for why is anyone's guess but he is the only one with keys to that path and he refuses to go down it.

[Gimp]

Have you ever been to a repop?

Let's not act like those are common enough to be a counter-argument to what he's saying.

A weekly varianced repop would be exactly what this server needs to keep everyone happy, but it won't happen.

[Nommis]

A weekly varianced repop would be exactly what this server needs to keep everyone happy, but it won't happen.
^^^

[Fasttimes]

Yea I don't think anyone would disagree I just don't expect it to happen, ever.

[getsome]

Rustle is a prime example of this. They were one of those parties, decided to change their priorities and now are the other party complaining about the very shit they did for months and years in the past. That's mostly why I find Getsome showboating about sharing laughable.



lol you have no clue.

[Danth]

However, I would rather quit this game than abandon my guild mates

So instead of abandoning them you'd rather....abandon them? That's a head-scratcher.

There is of course a third option: Simply resist the Pixel Sickness and ignore the high-end. 100% of all standard group and lower end raid content is fully doable by people wearing Thurgadin armor or worse. Even the high-end raids were initially defeated by people wearing Kunark gear. You do not need North Temple Veeshan gear to gain full use and enjoyment out of this game.

Danth

[Sirken]

I wasn't gonna post in this thread, but then 293 posts later, my opinion changed and there's a couple things I'd like to say.

Firstly, we as a staff and as a community, are juggling many different play-styles here on P99. That includes everything from players that will only ever reach mid levels and those level appropriate dungeons, it includes super casual guilds that may only get together once a week or every other week to farm planes, guilds that are capable of downing content but do not want to do anything besides show up to partake in that content, as well as guilds that are willing to track, race, be in voice chat & on batphones, mobilize & react to things extremely fast at any time, and a bunch of play-styles that fall between the aforementioned descriptions.

When you are dealing with that many different people, with that many different play-styles, it is literally impossible for one single course of action to make everyone happy. Surely it's possible to make one group happy, but i'm a firm believer in the school of a good negotiation means no one walks away from the table completely satisfied.

It really bothers me when I see some (not all) of the casual guilds acting like the staff doesn't care about them, and never does anything to help them. We dramatically shorted the variance window from what it was as a direct response to casual guilds complaining that it was too big (and lets be honest, hardcore guilds hated it and complained about it too), so we agreed to shorten the windows on the condition that players would stop poopsocking; we held up our end of the bargain, players did not. At this point, we will not entertain offers from players that involve the promise to stop the sock (because they already spent that card, and the staff is still awaiting it to be delivered), and we will not offer to shorten the variance any more (for the same reason).

Now, as for racing; my personal opinion aside, there is literally no universe in which an argument can be made that having an hour to kill a target that you FTE does anything besides help casual guilds get to experience more content. This change was added solely for the purpose of helping casual guilds, without destroying or removing play-styles that are enjoyed by the more hardcore guilds.

That said, Project 1999 is literally the only place where you can play Classic EQ with any kind of population and also still enjoy a competitive raid scene. It is not a server that allows you to just show up and press the "free loot" button, and it's not a server that rewards you for simply existing. And as much as I hate saying it, I have had to tell guild leaders that if all they really want is instanced raid zones, or a forced rotation, that maybe P99 just isn't the right server for them or their guild. Literally every other server has instances and/or rotations, and some guilds might just be happier there.

Before anyone tries to jump in and play the "we don't care about pixels, we just care about experiencing content" card, let me just stop you because if it was just about content and not about loot people would have been more than ok with rotating all but two VP dragons (PD & Hosh), and people would have been ok with literally any mob split or agreement, as it would still result in casual guilds getting more content than they would be getting if there was absolutely nothing in put in place (be it by staff or a player agreement).

People can complain all they want, but at the end of the day if you guild isn't forcing its members to be in voice chat, isn't utilizing some form of batphone, or is somehow still under the belief that you have to stare at a screen for 16 hours to get a mob, then you guys need to look inwards and fix those problems (and yes, those are absolutely problems if you want to be a raiding guild) because there's literally nothing that the staff or player-base can do to help you if you aren't willing to help yourselves first.

In closing, I'm sick of hearing things aren't "fair". Things are more fair now than they have been in 5+ years. Fair doesn't mean everyone gets the same amount of mobs or loot. Fair means everyone gets the same opportunity to kill those mobs or get that loot, and right now, while it might not be the perfect system for your desired play-style, it is a 100% fair system as it gives everyone a fair and equal opportunity to engage any content, and doesn't even require your raid force to be parked or even in game anymore as you now have the hour to kill.

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