Child's tear question [Archive]

Kreetus

02-21-2017, 09:19 PM

I have max faction so I would need to find someone also who has max faction for the MQ? Is that what you're saying ? Is basically someone else has to turn in the tear ? I'm a bit confused by that post. If I have max faction can I not just loot the tear and turn it in myself? I'm basically paying for convenience from what I understand? Or does the MQer I'm paying have to be almost done with the entire quest? Killed Ghiosik, high scale kirn and Neh ashiir??? Because the quest reads as if you can't skip any parts due to the fact of the next step needing an item from the previous. It's very murky what exactly has to happen.

nevilshute

02-22-2017, 04:41 AM

If I've already got max faction, turned in the 3 books from lord Ghiosik... Can I literally just assemble a fear raid together to go and loot my Tear ? Once I get the tear, I can go straight to Lord Rak'Ashiir and kill him after I turn in my tear ? What's the use in the MQ if you already have maxed faction? Then at the bottom of pond I turn in the scale and get my epic correct ?

The MQ does nothing to change the need for having max'd faction. Both the MQ seller handing in the tear as well as you, the MQ buyer MUST have max'd your TrueSpirit faction. The entire Shaman Epic Quest is exclusively about faction. You can repeat the first bit of the quest ad nauseam until you are max factioned with TrueSpirit, then hand in the tear in CoM and do final fight (or have someone else on max faction hand it in).

The point of buying the MQ - as some have already explained - is that the Golems in PoFear are super contested. Also, the Iksar Broodling doesn't always spawn after a Golem dies. So if you want to avoid having to purchase an MQ you will need to be with a raid force/guild that can reliably contend for the Golems in Fear and then be there to loot the tear. Depending on your guild-situation it might just be faster for you to grind out the pp and buy the MQ.

Lhancelot

02-25-2017, 12:41 AM

Depending on your guild-situation it might just be faster for you to grind out the pp and buy the MQ.

Which only encourages the filthy greedy neckbeards to loot tears and sell for MQs.

Sadly it's true. They have such a grip on the golems now that you will NEVER loot the tear yourself, unless you too are a filthy greedy neckbeard that is in such a guild.

That's why being a shaman sucks on this server.

Either you spend millions of hours farming plats to pay a filthy neckbeard for your epic and for torpor, or you have to turn into a filthy neckbeard just so you can actually loot a tear and torpor yourself.

GL on getting a tear!

RDawg816

02-25-2017, 01:09 PM

They have such a grip on the golems now that you will NEVER loot the tear yourself, unless you too are a filthy greedy neckbeard that is in such a guild.
I'm in a casual raiding guild. I went to about 5 fear raids before I got my tear. I did have to spend 120k on torpor though....But I've made that back easily.
As for farming plat, I only do that on off peak hours when I'm waiting for my friends to log in. 500-1k a day adds up, and I can get that in 30-60 minutes while eating breakfast.

Lhancelot

02-25-2017, 04:58 PM

I'm in a casual raiding guild. I went to about 5 fear raids before I got my tear. I did have to spend 120k on torpor though....But I've made that back easily.
As for farming plat, I only do that on off peak hours when I'm waiting for my friends to log in. 500-1k a day adds up, and I can get that in 30-60 minutes while eating breakfast.

Honestly what some consider casual to others isn't so casual.

I don't think the shaman class is for anyone that considers themself a casual, unless they really plan to invest months on top of months, maybe even years to advance their character to the top of it's ceiling gearwise and spellwise.

I have a 55 shaman, and honestly just felt defeated by that point. The idea of exactly how much money I would need to pour into someone's pockets discouraged me greatly.

If I have a 60 shaman, I want torpor, and I would want other spells and the epic too. Most likely I'd have to pay for all of these things and for me the time investment simply wasn't worth it in my mind to carry on further.

Maybe if I truly loved the shaman, I'd feel motivated to push on with him, but I didn't love him that much.

I know a guy that played a shaman for ages, literally took him 2-3 years for him to get lvl 60, his epic, torpor, and all his other spells. He did not play to raid, and so everything he gained he had to pay with money he farmed at seafuries.

Actually, I don't know what happened to this guy, because I no longer see him logged in anymore haha. Maybe after he got all of what he wanted he quit?

Anyway, my point is it takes a lot of dedication to gear a shaman out particularly if you are not in a fairly organized raiding guild.

GL OP with your tear.

RDawg816

02-25-2017, 05:02 PM

Farming plat at seafuries is enough to make most people quit. I don't know why people torture themselves with toxic environments...

NegaStoat

02-25-2017, 07:25 PM

Lhancelot

02-25-2017, 10:03 PM

On this top-heavy server, the time to get the shaman epic done was before the Fear revamp. The MQ for the tear was dirt cheap, relatively speaking. It was much cheaper than getting a JBB, assuming you did all your faction work for the last turn-in. It was even cheaper than the JBB assuming you paid a Druid to help max your faction with the teleport Butcherblock / Freeport scam.

That time window is done. Not much to suggest as it's a lot harder to obtain with the adjusted spawn times of the target, with far more competition. Myself, I'm currently leveling a character class in a casual manner with an end quest that is a lot easier to complete. Less disappointment that way.

This is exactly my sentiment too. ^^^

I remember when shaman epics were very cheap a while back. I quit, came back to game after velious had been patched in and other changes too, and suddenly the tear is 60k or more? I was shocked.

I am pretty sure I recall it being less than 30k for sure, which is not too outlandish. But, 60k now?

I don't think it's a matter of spawn times hurting it, I think it's a matter of greedy people bottlenecking the tear to sell for MQ more than anything.

I am not going to mention guilds but I know for a fact one guild which advertises itself as "casual" that will gobble the tears up any chance they get as I seen it with my own eyes while being in that guild.

They didn't need it, did not give the tear to anyone to use, instead banked it for MQ.
I just wonder how many of these tears they have, as I left that guild shortly after this.

I understand why people are greedy and enjoy making plats but sometimes the way they go about it just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

That's pretty much why I don't care for raid guilds on this server. There's just way too much greed and disregard for other players on the server, and this is magnefied when the loots start revolving around MQuestable epic drops or other high end items that can be sold for plats.

I realize the server can't be a utopia, but ffs the greed is on a whole other level once you get to 50-60 lvl, and start seeing how pixel-crazed some players are.

Bubbles

03-02-2017, 03:14 AM

Well, people spent 5 years on this forum romanticizing the unstunnable Ogre Shaman soloing WW dragons.

So everyone rolled a shaman.

For each new tear, another 50 shaman hit raiding levels. And the cycle repeats.

If you want to feel better about your situation, A tear + torpor together doesn't cost even close to a Green Dragon Scale (WAR) or White Dragon Scale (BRD).

So yeah, real sorry your epic is buyable. Must be rough. :)

nevilshute

03-02-2017, 05:17 AM

I'm in the camp of those that didn't get around to doing it pre-revamp. My shammy was lvl 36 at the time and I had sorta soured on him. I knew eventually I wanted it for sure and just didn't really grasp the implications of waiting. Now I'm all about playing him again and while I could wait for it to become my turn in getting a tear I guess it's fairly likely that I'll farm the plat and just buy it.

Forgetting the old price I don't think 60k for the final piece of an epic (that is otherwise ridiculously easy in comparison to many others) is that bad. I know that might rub some people the wrong way and it does take the glitter off of the experience a bit to buy your way to epics like that but that's just the world we live in with a server this old.

Also, at least they nerfed the epics so we don't have lvl 5 twinks running around with epics equipped anymore. That got me bothered something awful.

I firmly believe, that if you have the patience and you are in a (even semi-serious) raiding guild then eventually you will get the tear if you focus on it. It's not like the golems are killed by the same guild every time.

You want to get an epic, while not being in a raiding guild and not putting in 10-20 hours a week? Well you're in luck, you can sit on Seafury Island and grind pp whenever you have the time and eventually you will have enough money to buy the tear.

EQ - to me - was always about rewarding the dedicated players - almost exponentially. I just don't think it's reasonable to complain that you can't get an epic if you only play once or twice a week and one to two hours at a time. Sorry but the epics were meant as just that, EPIC rewards.

Life617

03-07-2017, 11:49 AM

just pray for pantheon to be released. This server is stuck in its old ways.

Gumbo

03-07-2017, 04:37 PM

I have a 38/39 level Shaman and I've recently lost interest in playing the character. I just know the more I use him, the more I'll want to get my epic and eventually, Torpor. And I just don't feel like spending the rest of my days playing and collecting 200K for these items.

I'm sure at some stage in my life I'll log him in again and use raise his level but mid-50's is the most I see myself using him.

Cillaz

03-07-2017, 04:47 PM

The shaman epic, while it has increased in price, is still a very good buy for the money! When you look at the stats, the clickie and what it enables you to do, 60k is cheap! Yes it sucks to not be able to raid fear and get it, but it's not gonna change sadly.
If you join a guild, even a more casual one, you have a chance at golems and torpor, this is the best way. Save up all the while though, just incase! I don't think the epic is overpriced due to the toughness to get and how awesome it is. It's just how it is on this server.
My guild managed to get every shaman their epic via fear raids before the change. Since then we have only got a couple. It sucks, but it won't change. Go camp some loots, group in some dungeons and have fun while making pp to buy the epic.

Also - There's way better ways to make pp than seafuries! Especially as a shaman whose at the levels where they are farming for epic or torpor or w/e. I hate how people think the only way to make pp is seafuries. It's boring, heavily contested and brings out the worse in some people.
If you farm for epic pp at seafuries I can see why you get a bad view of high end eq as high end players! There's a lot of cool people and cool guilds out there!

Cillaz

03-07-2017, 04:54 PM

Also - you don't need 200k as a sham for epic/torpor.
Join a guild!!!!
If you join a guild, help people, raid etc etc then you will get these things via the guild and won't have to farm for hours for pp!
You will spend way more time farming pp for epic and torpor, than you would spend time raiding to earn the same stuff via a guild!

Queesha

03-07-2017, 04:54 PM

Also - There's way better ways to make pp than seafuries! Especially as a shaman whose at the levels where they are farming for epic or torpor or w/e. I hate how people think the only way to make pp is seafuries. It's boring, heavily contested and brings out the worse in some people.
If you farm for epic pp at seafuries I can see why you get a bad view of high end eq as high end players! There's a lot of cool people and cool guilds out there!

Care to elaborate?

icedwards

03-07-2017, 05:16 PM

Cillaz is right. Golems are going to be contested for a long time because of AoN's and puppet strings. Raid guilds burn through a lot of plat for recharges every week too which epic MQs help pay for. Join a guild or start farming plat if you want your epic.

Lhancelot

03-08-2017, 01:45 AM

Just remove MQing. Make those poor raid guilds find other ways to make money to afford recharging all their clickies they need to lean on as crutches to raid successfully.

nevilshute

03-08-2017, 06:47 AM

I also don't think you are doing yourself any favors by buying into the narrative of "woeth me! How can it be 200k to get a full spell book and epic on my shaman!" sniff sniff.

Like someone else said, join a guild! Interact with others and join raids and groups when you can. Most of this stuff is attainable this way. Find 1-2 groups and go do Guardian Wurms for spells. Maybe you'll get a Torpor that way? Or join groups in Sebilis for the same purpose. Does this mean that you will like have a torpor lying unscribed in your bag from lvl 40? No, you will likely be 59-60. Maybe you will even be 60 for a little while before you can get it.

Lowako

03-08-2017, 01:07 PM

Trying to acquire things without friends in an MMO is typically going to be a lot more tedious or difficult than working together with friends or having others help you. Particularly end game items that come from monsters that are designed to be done in a group and raid setting. Getting torpor+child's tear is no different. I would suggest you make some friends - which I've personally found difficult in any online community in the last few years - to help you acquire these items. You can get 3-5 people together and camp something like Emperor in Sebilis for torpor, or guardian wurms, or if you have access to a CoTH mage you can do Tola+Protector in Trak's Lair for a chance at torpor. You can clear down to Trak's Lair as well, but that takes significantly more time and effort.

Unfortunately due to plane of fear golems being hotly contested because they now provide a chance at items other than child's tear (items of both immense value and power) it can be a lot harder to do this. Your best chance to acquire it normally would be to join a guild that kills or contests these golems regularly in hopes of getting a tear on the raid. If for some reason you are morally opposed or unable to raid (or a normal human being, raiding in everquest is mostly unenjoyable in this era. auto attacking a slowed monster to death isn't exactly the pinnacle of engaging raid content.) your only way to acquire the tear will be buying an MQ. Its just another unpleasant side effect of early everquest game design.

If you've managed to assemble a trustworthy crew of nerds, mustering up the funds to acquire an MQ will be much easier. Farming platinum with a duo or trio is far more efficient than doing it alone. And that's if you split the money. Its also far more fun. There are a lot of things in everquest that are mundane, tedious, boring, trivial, or a combination of all four. Having friends to chat with while doing these things makes them tolerable, memorable, and perhaps even enjoyable. If you have some trustworthy e-friends or guildmates that you play with regularly, there is a decent chance they won't mind loaning you some platinum.

If you make genuine friendships with people they typically won't have an issue with passing the big spells like torpor to you or loaning/helping you farm platinum to buy a Child's Tear MQ if raiding isn't a viable option. If you are unable to make friends, join a guild, or at the very least form a group of opportunistic acquaintances its going to make acquiring items that are designed around taking friends, a guild, or a band of opportunistic acquaintances far more difficult than normal.

Maner

03-12-2017, 09:49 PM

This is exactly my sentiment too. ^^^

I remember when shaman epics were very cheap a while back. I quit, came back to game after velious had been patched in and other changes too, and suddenly the tear is 60k or more? I was shocked.

I am pretty sure I recall it being less than 30k for sure, which is not too outlandish. But, 60k now?

I don't think it's a matter of spawn times hurting it, I think it's a matter of greedy people bottlenecking the tear to sell for MQ more than anything.

I am not going to mention guilds but I know for a fact one guild which advertises itself as "casual" that will gobble the tears up any chance they get as I seen it with my own eyes while being in that guild.

They didn't need it, did not give the tear to anyone to use, instead banked it for MQ.
I just wonder how many of these tears they have, as I left that guild shortly after this.

I understand why people are greedy and enjoy making plats but sometimes the way they go about it just puts a bad taste in my mouth.

That's pretty much why I don't care for raid guilds on this server. There's just way too much greed and disregard for other players on the server, and this is magnefied when the loots start revolving around MQuestable epic drops or other high end items that can be sold for plats.

I realize the server can't be a utopia, but ffs the greed is on a whole other level once you get to 50-60 lvl, and start seeing how pixel-crazed some players are.

All you do is continually prove you don't comprehend the game. The golems went from 8 hour spawns to 3 day spawns for one, for another they now drop CTs old loot table as well which includes AoNs and puppet strings which everyone wants. The Fear revamp made the golems more desirable and a much much longer respawn.

It has nothing to do with top end greed as the guilds who kill the most golems are guilds like FoH and anon who sit on their spawns 2 times a week for 16 hours. Its like you don't even play on this server but continue to bash the people who raid due to your own misconceptions and ignorance.

Wanna talk about greed, all you're doing it complaining about how no one would give you torpor or your epic so you stopped playing a character. Talk about greedy and entitled

Lhancelot

03-12-2017, 11:34 PM

All you do is continually prove you don't comprehend the game. The golems went from 8 hour spawns to 3 day spawns for one, for another they now drop CTs old loot table as well which includes AoNs and puppet strings which everyone wants. The Fear revamp made the golems more desirable and a much much longer respawn.

It has nothing to do with top end greed as the guilds who kill the most golems are guilds like FoH and anon who sit on their spawns 2 times a week for 16 hours. Its like you don't even play on this server but continue to bash the people who raid due to your own misconceptions and ignorance.

Wanna talk about greed, all you're doing it complaining about how no one would give you torpor or your epic so you stopped playing a character. Talk about greedy and entitled

Whatever you say buddy. Just keep socking those tears and other epic piece no-drops to sell for MQs to "self-entitled" casuals.

I quit the shaman because it was not worth the sacrifice to me to gear it. If I loved the class maybe I would have coughed up the 200k to greedy neckbeards like you for the epic and spells, but alas I simply didn't and don't.

It just seems like this server has the largest collection of the most greedy raiders from all the past servers of 15 years ago.

There's a lot of really cool people on p99, but there is also a substantial collection of demented neckbeards who only serve to collect as many pixels as possible with zero sense of community towards their fellow gamers.

if thinking players should play less selfishly makes me "self-entitled" then fine I am guilty as charged.

Maner

03-13-2017, 12:10 AM

Whatever you say buddy. Just keep socking those tears and other epic piece no-drops to sell for MQs to "self-entitled" casuals.

I quit the shaman because it was not worth the sacrifice to me to gear it. If I loved the class maybe I would have coughed up the 200k to greedy neckbeards like you for the epic and spells, but alas I simply didn't and don't.

It just seems like this server has the largest collection of the most greedy raiders from all the past servers of 15 years ago.

There's a lot of really cool people on p99, but there is also a substantial collection of demented neckbeards who only serve to collect as many pixels as possible with zero sense of community towards their fellow gamers.

if thinking players should play less selfishly makes me "self-entitled" then fine I am guilty as charged.

The problem is those people in the top raiding guilds aren't banking a ton of tears in order to make people like you pay more, like you're claiming. In fact i think the aftermath guild bank has 1 tear atm, if that. Perhaps you should ask fires of heaven or anon how many childs tears they have sitting in banks. AW and AA contest the golems that respawn when CT spawns. They don't camp out for or track the 2 respawns that happen during the week. That means those neckbeards at the top end aren't getting more tears, they are in fact getting less

Lhancelot

03-13-2017, 09:09 AM

The problem is those people in the top raiding guilds aren't banking a ton of tears in order to make people like you pay more, like you're claiming. In fact i think the aftermath guild bank has 1 tear atm, if that. Perhaps you should ask fires of heaven or anon how many childs tears they have sitting in banks. AW and AA contest the golems that respawn when CT spawns. They don't camp out for or track the 2 respawns that happen during the week. That means those neckbeards at the top end aren't getting more tears, they are in fact getting less

I know, Maner. In all honesty the worst neckbeards now are the ones running under the "casual raid guild" tag. They are fucking over real casuals.

I'd say to anyone wanting to raid on p99 to avoid these lower tier raid guilds if at all possible. Join Aftermath, Rustle, Awakened, and maybe even some of the smaller more successful guilds. Avoid any guild proclaming itself as a "casual raid guild."

I realize that some of the requirements might be too high for a truly casual player to join a high tiered raiding guild on P99 and if that's the case it's a shame because what is offered by the lower tiered raid guilds is often times not as advertised.

Mythanor

03-13-2017, 09:35 AM

I know, Maner. In all honesty the worst neckbeards now are the ones running under the "casual raid guild" tag. They are fucking over real casuals.

I'd say to anyone wanting to raid on p99 to avoid these lower tier raid guilds if at all possible. Join Aftermath, Rustle, Awakened, and maybe even some of the smaller more successful guilds. Avoid any guild proclaming itself as a "casual raid guild."

I realize that some of the requirements might be too high for a truly casual player to join a high tiered raiding guild on P99 and if that's the case it's a shame because what is offered by the lower tiered raid guilds is often times not as advertised.

Keep proving how clueless you truely are. Last golem kill, two shaman actually in attendance *rolled* for the tear, and guild has 0 tears banked. But keep spewing hate, cause you dont want to make friends or join a guild capable of killing them, if it makes you feel better.

Lhancelot

03-15-2017, 01:09 AM

Keep proving how clueless you truely are. Last golem kill, two shaman actually in attendance *rolled* for the tear, and guild has 0 tears banked. But keep spewing hate, cause you dont want to make friends or join a guild capable of killing them, if it makes you feel better.

Yes, this anecdote you dribbled out really proves how smoothly the child tears get distributed on the server. You really showed me. And the part about me not having any friends in the game capable of getting me bigger pixels, that really hurt. It's time I really self-evaluate myself and find better friends. :rolleyes:

nevilshute

03-15-2017, 04:08 AM

@Lhancelot: I think you have made your view on this matter very clear and I don't begrudge you that view. You think it sucks that some items, that are very desired (ie. epic pieces) are bottlenecked due to being super contested. On the one hand I tend to agree, I have also felt frustrated at times. A friend of mine spent so much time trying to get Verina Tomb for his chanter epic and just never was able to, not because she is a difficult mob but purely because she was permacamped. On the other hand, I think that if we just wanted instanced content and easily have accessable anything we want then, well... that's not why I play EQ on P99. Like I stated previously EQ, in the era we are playing, always rewarded the most committed players. It's a difficult game to play SUPER casually if you really want stuff like epic items.

I also think you are being quite toxic in what you are writing. Name calling etc. really is the friend of no one.

Dreenk317

03-30-2017, 06:37 PM

Which only encourages the filthy greedy neckbeards to loot tears and sell for MQs.

Sadly it's true. They have such a grip on the golems now that you will NEVER loot the tear yourself, unless you too are a filthy greedy neckbeard that is in such a guild.

That's why being a shaman sucks on this server.

Either you spend millions of hours farming plats to pay a filthy neckbeard for your epic and for torpor, or you have to turn into a filthy neckbeard just so you can actually loot a tear and torpor yourself.

GL on getting a tear!

I don't neckbeard, and have killed three golems this month in pursuit of a tear. Never say never, just gotta try. Also, looted my torpor, for free, because I'm not an idiot and took a group to where it drops.

But I do think the price of torpor is absurdly high on this server.

Nixtar

03-30-2017, 07:01 PM

Top heavy, long respawn, good loot table.

Change probably made more sense on Live but here on P99 there's a ton of 50+ shaman players. If this is your first shaman, join groups and duo. You will always be in high demand. Every time I removed the /anon or /roleplay I've gotten tells within a minute to join a group/duo with someone.

I realize I am suggesting you don't solo *gasp* but there it is... Hell, join a guild and you might just stumble over a golem or you get friends who will MQ it(it does happen).

Amyas

04-07-2017, 12:50 PM

I have a 55 shaman, and honestly just felt defeated by that point. The idea of exactly how much money I would need to pour into someone's pockets discouraged me greatly.

If I have a 60 shaman, I want torpor, and I would want other spells and the epic too.

This is what stopped me after swaping mains to my shaman. I am lv 55 on him and have went back to my druid got epiced at 54 and am now having a ball playing again unstead of dreading the child's tear and topor money.

I will pick my shaman back up once my druid is lv 60 =P