High Elf Enchanter Starting Stats

[Meanbunny]

Hey guys, I know there is a guide on the wiki for creating Enchanters, but before I realized this I went by the advice from a couple archived posts and I decided to roll High Elf and I went 25 Cha / 5 Sta. I know the last 5 points doesn't matter too much but what I am more concerned with is the first 25.

On Loraen's Enchanter Guide, she recommended 25 Cha for every race except High Elf and Human. For High Elf she recommends 15 Cha / 15 Int. What I want to know is, did I make a mistake putting 25 Cha on my High Elf? I know they have the highest starting Cha, but I assumed that it wasn't high enough to the point where 25 Cha wasn't the right choice.

We will be leveling again starting tomorrow, so please let me know what you guys think. Also I am very much planning on raiding and min/maxing this character to the upmost without changing my race choice of High Elf. Basically, can I get INT and CHA maxed at 255 as a High Elf with 25 Cha / 5 Sta? Thanks guys.

[Izmael]

I would do 25 CHA / 5 INT and go AC and/or INT gear as soon as you have 205 unbuffed CHA.

[Lowako]

I think endgame velious loot makes it easier to cap INT and I think enchanters complain about it being more difficult to cap CHA so you probably made the correct choice.

[Cwall 146.0]

there is almost no charisma found on top end raid gear

intelligence will assuredly be maxed with top end raid gear

a primal weapon makes strength, dexterity, and agility easily maxed when you want them

true min/maxing would likely be 25 charisma, 5 stamina, but 5 stamina will be negligible at level 60

in any case i'd say you made the right choice, but i'm not sure if it's possible to have 255 charisma in top end raid gear regardless

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Capping CHA is pretty easy with cheap gear, but it can be hard finding HP and INT stuff at the same time to balance it out. As a human enchanter I'm up to 200 INT 255 CHA with no epic and no raid gear so it's easily doable for a high elf.

[faurkingsheep]

25 cha. rest in sta for sure. int so easy to max in velious gear

[Samoht]

STA on cloth classes is all but negligible, so 5 STA is a very minimal HP gain (but an HP gain none the less). The thing that really matters is that you max out CHA, no matter which race you picked, and you've got that covered. Don't worry so much about where you put the other 5 points.

[Munkh]

I would personally put at least 5 points into STA to get it to 70, then dump the other 25 between CHA and INT, probably more into CHA than INT. mayb 15 to CHA and 10 to INT.

But that's just me.

[Mzy12345]

High Ef is definitely the best enchanter race and I agree with the 25 Charisma then I went 5 Int but as others have said those are much less important. You don't usually die running out of mana but from a poorly timed charm break so 255 charisma is most important.

[Meanbunny]

Okay so since I should be able to get 255 Int in raid gear, then going 25 Cha wasn't the wrong choice from what you guys are telling me.

I am assuming since I didn't go 15 Cha / 15 Int, that means that I can start to think about going HP/AC/Int gear earlier when I hit my CHA goal.

I just wanted to make sure going 25 Cha instead of 15/15 wasn't a mistake when having end game min/maxing as the goal. Thanks a bunch guys.

[Munkh]

I think i need to revise my statement.

ALL 25 in CHA. Then whatever floats your boat with the last 5.

[Triiz]

there is almost no charisma found on top end raid gear

intelligence will assuredly be maxed with top end raid gear

a primal weapon makes strength, dexterity, and agility easily maxed when you want them

true min/maxing would likely be 25 charisma, 5 stamina, but 5 stamina will be negligible at level 60

in any case i'd say you made the right choice, but i'm not sure if it's possible to have 255 charisma in top end raid gear regardless

Not hating on this specific poster, but I see advice like this "once you have full top-end raid gear" answer given a lot to noobs, and it probably applies to less than 5% of the population on p99.

Ask yourself these questions:

Do you plan to play p99 as if it were a full time job? If not, the above advice probably wont apply to you.

Do you plan to answer batphones at all hours of the day to slay dragons? If not, the above advice probably wont apply to you.

I could go on, but the point should be clear. I would bet if every 60 enchanter on the server was lined up, an outrageous majority of them would not have Primal weapons, or for that matter even ST's keys.

[Munkh]

So basically, this does not apply to you?

Haha! I do agree with you. While I enjoy my pixel time and I do not answer batphones in the night. I play to leisure and my own enjoyment. It's my "escape" time. I tend to go against the norm or the "must do" when it comes to EQ. I love having an Erudite Nerco even though I continually am told to reroll an ikky.

Hey it's my time.

[Gimp]

25cha/5int is the correct answer here

[Meanbunny]

Okay, one more question for the people who are familiar with the end game and Kunark/Velious gear.

What is the lowest starting Int a character can have while still having the realistic chance of hitting 255 Int, while still maintaining around 200+ Cha? Like for instance, if a Human Enchanter went 25 Cha / 5 Int which would put his Intelligence at 90, is there enough Int gear at the high end to give him a cumulative bonus of +165 Int?

Doing the math with 20 equipment slots (minus ammo), it comes out to be an average of 8.25 Intelligence per slot. Is that realistic while also keeping a Cha of over 200? Let me know what you guys think.

Bottom line, if you can tell where I am going with this, I want to be 100% sure that going 25 Cha / 5 Sta on my High Elf giving me a base Int of 102, did not prevent me from achieving the goal above.

TL;DR: What is approximately the lowest starting Int you can have that would allow you to realistically hit the 255 Int mark, while still maintaining a Cha of 200+ with end game gear?

Thanks for the help guys. It is much appreciated.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Okay, one more question for the people who are familiar with the end game and Kunark/Velious gear.

What is the lowest starting Int a character can have while still having the realistic chance of hitting 255 Int, while still maintaining around 200+ Cha? Like for instance, if a Human Enchanter went 25 Cha / 5 Int which would put his Intelligence at 90, is there enough Int gear at the high end to give him a cumulative bonus of +165 Int?

Doing the math with 20 equipment slots (minus ammo), it comes out to be an average of 8.25 Intelligence per slot. Is that realistic while also keeping a Cha of over 200? Let me know what you guys think.

Bottom line, if you can tell where I am going with this, I want to be 100% sure that going 25 Cha / 5 Sta on my High Elf giving me a base Int of 102, did not prevent me from achieving the goal above.

TL;DR: What is approximately the lowest starting Int you can have that would allow you to realistically hit the 255 Int mark, while still maintaining a Cha of 200+ with end game gear?

Thanks for the help guys. It is much appreciated.

Absolutely possible. I went 5 INT 25 CHA on my human enchanter and as mentioned before have 200 INT / 255 CHA self buffed currently at level 52. With the epic and other high end raid gear I could easily get to 255 INT as well.

If you are planning on charming mainly while you level up then the important thing is maxing CHA first and then switching gear out for more INT/CHA stuff as you get more plat. CHA only gear is pretty easy and cheap to get at first.

Face: incandescent mask: 5 INT/ 7 CHA
Neck: gypsy medallion: 9 CHA
Wrists: Golden cats eye bracelet: 7 CHA
Legs: drake scale leggings: 5 CHA
Feet: Loam encrusted shoes: 8 CHA
Earrings: Oppaline earring: 5 CHA
Head: Siryn Hair Hood: 13 CHA
Main hand: Rod of insidious glamour: 12 CHA
Secondary: Crude stein: 15 CHA

I think I'm missing some I don't recall also but that should get you + 93 CHA and leave other slots available for INT/HP stuff. The goal is getting 205 CHA unbuffed as you will have a +50 CHA buff eventually.

So to answer your question yes, you can max INT and CHA with a starting INT of 90, but the min/maxers will tell you to go high elf, which WOULD make it easier to max those attributes.

[Meanbunny]

Thanks Ziggy, hearing this info from a Human Enchanter really helped me get a good grasp on how the development of my character should pan out along with some great suggestions for early gear. That Incandescent Mask in particular looks pretty juicy. Much appreciated everyone.