GMs taking away loots

[Salty]

So new rules came up today and IB and Trans were going after Hate bosses.

Apparently GMs took away their Maestro/inno loot because they couldn't hold hands over bosses?

What is the story about this fagfest and is this something we should expect if 2 guilds are competing with eachother over a target?

[Jete]

There are a few "rare" spawns in Hate. One in particular is a "Green Toolshed." This item is found on the ground on the second floor. Once in inventory, the Green Toolshed procs lvl 30 Meth Lab.. Once we were cookin' things got kinda crazy. Mobs started to get fuzzy around the edges- I think someone looked at someones girlfriend wrong or somebody got mooned, in any case- crazy Meth fights broke out amongst the two guilds.

It truly was hate. Maybe if they would have named the zone "Happy Love zone" Things could've gone better...

*Edit*
Grats Divinity on Naggy!

[Hasbinbad]

Gratz Divinity!!

[Salty]

So you didn't get items removed by GMs that was received from Maestro because of the Trans/IB battle?

Sounds like high end competition is not only frowned upon, but non-existant.


Also, If Innoruuk not DTing, Fear mobs not summoning, Maestro not summoning, Fear mobs able to be charmed, and other numerous details are any indication on how the other GMs are pulling their weight (excluding Rogean and Nilrog) than you guys are all just pretty much dead weight. Just want to point out the totally obvious to everyone who plays on this server.

I guess Xzerion was having too much fun letting his guild charm fear mobs that also don't summon all day while trans QQs because they have no idea what the hell is going on. GG

[Brad_mo123]

Yeah the whole taking our loot thing was just uncalled for but wouldnt be all that big of a deal if we didnt have to wait for an hour to get our loot taken away, thanks for the waste of time, your so kind :)

[karsten]

grats me on TRUE HEART shield

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[Hasbinbad]

So you didn't get items removed by GMs that was received from Maestro because of the Trans/IB battle?

Sounds like high end competition is not only frowned upon, but non-existant.


Also, If Innoruuk not DTing, Fear mobs not summoning, Maestro not summoning, Fear mobs able to be charmed, and other numerous details are any indication on how the other GMs are pulling their weight (excluding Rogean and Nilrog) than you guys are all just pretty much dead weight. Just want to point out the totally obvious to everyone who plays on this server.

I guess Xzerion was having too much fun letting his guild charm fear mobs that also don't summon all day while trans QQs because they have no idea what the hell is going on. GG
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[Dabamf]

So you didn't get items removed by GMs that was received from Maestro because of the Trans/IB battle?

Sounds like high end competition is not only frowned upon, but non-existant.


Also, If Innoruuk not DTing, Fear mobs not summoning, Maestro not summoning, Fear mobs able to be charmed, and other numerous details are any indication on how the other GMs are pulling their weight (excluding Rogean and Nilrog) than you guys are all just pretty much dead weight. Just want to point out the totally obvious to everyone who plays on this server.

I guess Xzerion was having too much fun letting his guild charm fear mobs that also don't summon all day while trans QQs because they have no idea what the hell is going on. GG
Charm has been brokenly OP since day one. This isn't news. And fear's been the way it is for months. And inno was broken/loots revoked.

The circus in hate, well...

[Otto]

The circus in hate, well...

The situation in hate was very clear cut.

The problem lies in the fact that some people are just really good at playing the victim.

[Jify]

Edit: Removed in an attempt to avoid turning this into a rant/flame thread.

[Salty]

I would exclude Rallyd's opinions from any conversation or else he will be summoned forth to talk nonsense.

He usually whines about anything and everything.

[Jify]

I would exclude Rallyd's opinions from any conversation or else he will be summoned forth to talk nonsense.

He usually whines about anything and everything.

Point taken! Editing previous post. Thanks Salty. :)

[Soulfighter]

all i know about this is we killed maestro fairly, he worked properly doing his aoe and all, we got the first monk gloves of the server (the rarest drop on maestro) then a gm shouted stuff about inny and he took back the gloves.

i feel a bit raped right now :-/

i don't know what exactly they were talking about (inny broken or something like that) but it clearly had nothing to do with our fair maestro kill, it's one of the worst gm decision on this server imo

[Otto]

all i know about this is we killed maestro fairly, he worked properly doing his aoe and all, we got the first monk gloves of the server (the rarest drop on maestro) then a gm shouted stuff about inny and he took back the gloves.

i feel a bit raped right now :-/

i don't know what exactly they were talking about (inny broken or something like that) but it clearly had nothing to do with our fair maestro kill, it's one of the worst gm decision on this server imo

Soul, the GM's took away the loot because "we didn't converse enough over who was getting what raid mob."

About 15 minutes after we had downed inny and you had subsequently downed maestro, Tibador was throwing a fit. We were currently waiting for our raid target to be re popped so we could kill him properly.

Because of that, he and nilbog deemed that the raids we had in hate were moot, and either we should BOTH get an inny and maestro, roll for the targets and have them repopped, or no one gets anything.

I tried to convince them that there was no issue and failed. The end result was no one gets anything.

[Jify]

From a non-leader/officer perspective, it went.


Clear 2nd floor mobs in way
Engage Inny
Notice no AE (similar to what happened in past to vox)
Down Inny 5 seconds later
Contact GM (Nilbog)
Distribute loot, we expect to have to "rekill" inny with his AE going off
GM announces to zone that Trans/IB both have envidence supporting their right to the raid mob, or something like that.
Random complaining begins in /shout from IB & Trans
Decision to either repop zone and give IB/Trans each Inny&Meastro (wtf?), Or take all loot and wait on respawn (at this point, we had already given our loot to Nilbog to rekill Inny properly)
IB (and maybe Trans?) try to figure out why we are doing this? We both got a raid mob, we weren't waiting one behind the other to get them. As far as I know, we followed the new set of raiding rules.
Informed that decision was made to take all the loot. (trans loses gauntlets)
/gratz whoever in Trans got greedy any petitioned that they should have rights to Inny after they kill Maestro.
Doug's buddy Zilo goes to sleep sad because he lost his sword. 8(


End of the day, we all loss. Maybe that's a fitting solution to these problems. It blows (the entire scenario was stupid), but I'm glad to see both guilds treated equally over this, regardless of which guild was whining and which one was trying to do the right thing.

Disclaimer: I am nothing but a pawn, describing the events as I saw them unfold around me. Please don't flame me for this. <3

[Goobles]

What ever happened to the first guild with "capable force" has right to zone?

[Otto]

What ever happened to the first guild with "capable force" has right to zone?

That doesn't exist.

First capable force at a target has the rights to that target.. within 30 minutes.

We were the first ones to inny, there shouldn't have been an issue.

[anthony210]

After reading this I dont understand why the loots were taken away it seems everyone followed the rules.

And Goobles its first to a target has rights to that specific target. Not the entire zone. IE a raid force cant zone into Hate and claim the entire zone.

I do believe it should be first raid force in zone should claim the zone for zones like Hate/Fear/Sky.

[Danth]

"I do believe it should be first raid force in zone should claim the zone for zones like Hate/Fear/Sky."

I don't, because many of the monsters in these zones do not require raids. Your suggestion would be tantamount to Guild_X owning all of SolB because it takes a couple dozen people to kill Nagafen.

Danth

[RyoGTO]

There are a few "rare" spawns in Hate. One in particular is a "Green Toolshed." This item is found on the ground on the second floor. Once in inventory, the Green Toolshed procs lvl 30 Meth Lab.. Once we were cookin' things got kinda crazy. Mobs started to get fuzzy around the edges- I think someone looked at someones girlfriend wrong or somebody got mooned, in any case- crazy Meth fights broke out amongst the two guilds.

It truly was hate. Maybe if they would have named the zone "Happy Love zone" Things could've gone better...

*Edit*
Grats Divinity on Naggy!

LOL Jete, you got a laugh out of me. Honestly though, as the one who loses those monk gloves. F*C*&##@*($#SDF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scrooge]

So if say a raid force zones into Hate, and there's a group in the zone...they should just gtfo because some guild is about to raid? I don't think so.

[RyoGTO]

That doesn't exist.

First capable force at a target has the rights to that target.. within 30 minutes.

We were the first ones to inny, there shouldn't have been an issue.

There was no issue. No one should have had loot taken away from them.

[Recyclebin]

Kill target, get loot.

Unless the loot is non-classic, why the fuck is loot forcefully being removed off players.

Edit: Looks like there was some good explanation on the subject. meh

[RyoGTO]

I wish I would have gotten a screen shot of those gloves. It's likely no one will ever see them again.

[yaaaflow]

I wish I would have gotten a screen shot of those gloves. It's likely no one will ever see them again.

It strikes me as so ridiculously likely that those gloves will be seen again to barely be worthy of mention.

Besides it's Dabamf we should really feel for, 36% haste items are all over the place, having to give back the only necro focus item in the game is a real kick in the balls.

[RyoGTO]

It strikes me as so ridiculously likely that those gloves will be seen again to barely be worthy of mention.

Besides it's Dabamf we should really feel for, 36% haste items are all over the place, having to give back the only necro focus item in the game is a real kick in the balls.

Hey, I do feel sorry for all the guys that lost their loot. As I know what it feels like, and it's not cool. Those gloves are incredibly rare though. I am not mad at IB or Trans for who went after what, I don't think rules were broken. To be honest I think the bickering should not influence the loot, but rather what was actually done, and since no foul play was done as far as raiding policy.... No one should be losing their loot. Neither IB nor Trans. It's a real freaking shame here.

[Goobles]

That doesn't exist.

First capable force at a target has the rights to that target.. within 30 minutes.

We were the first ones to inny, there shouldn't have been an issue.

It's called etiquette. IB has bad etiquette since Transcendence was in Hate first, with a capable force to do the entire zone - and then IB leapfrogged them.

[Zexa]

It's called etiquette. IB has bad etiquette since Transcendence was in Hate first, with a capable force to do the entire zone - and then IB leapfrogged them.

Hay Goobles. Thanks for contributing! Read the rules regarding The Planes. A little less stepping on each other's toes could be worked on, but the new rules are gonna be preeeetty nice.

One should expect to hear some crying about them in regards to Hate. The entire server was told when the zone was opening, allowing everyone eligible to port there to be first. Now that we have spawn variance it will be whoever is quickest or wants to camp a target the longest.

[Pheer]

It's called etiquette. IB has bad etiquette since Transcendence was in Hate first, with a capable force to do the entire zone - and then IB leapfrogged them.

they were only ahead of us into the zone by like 1-2 groups goobles

Ive tried to stay neutral in regards to you man but im really getting bored of seeing you shit talking my guild in every thread you post in when we've done nothing wrong

[Dabamf]

Sorry dude they were there like 2 min before IB was, and still at port in playin with their dicks when they coulda been moving straight to inny after a few kills like we did. Hate doesn't require leapfrogging.

And besides, transc didn't compete for inny, they moved immediately to Maestro. Bottom line is when you go after maestro first, you can't cry about inny. That's like having 2 guilds in solb, and you are in 2 min before the other guild, you go kill efreeti and then petition that the other guild leapfrogged you to naggy.

Another case of Tibador crying and ruining the game. That guy is such a trainwreck and a plague on the server. He cuts corners and uses his power to manipulate decisions on a regular basis. Divinity will unfortunately find that out soon enough.

[Goobles]

they were only ahead of us into the zone by like 1-2 groups goobles

Ive tried to stay neutral in regards to you man but im really getting bored of seeing you shit talking my guild in every thread you post in when we've done nothing wrong

How about the instance where your guild leapfrogged Divinity while they were getting started on FGs by levitating up to the staging area? And then demanding that loot as a grace gift for 'letting' them do FGs. Yeah, IB never does anything wrong.

[Rallyd]

IB is pure 100% corruption, arguing with or about them is irrelevant. Let them flame up the forums all day and win Nilbog's favor with QQ PMs. Let them destroy the server, because you can't do anything about it, it's emu.

[Otto]

Sorry dude they were there like 2 min before IB was, and still at port in playin with their dicks when they coulda been moving straight to inny after a few kills like we did. Hate doesn't require leapfrogging.

And besides, transc didn't compete for inny, they moved immediately to Maestro. Bottom line is when you go after maestro first, you can't cry about inny. That's like having 2 guilds in solb, and you are in 2 min before the other guild, you go kill efreeti and then petition that the other guild leapfrogged you to naggy.

Another case of Tibador crying and ruining the game. That guy is such a trainwreck and a plague on the server. He cuts corners and uses his power to manipulate decisions on a regular basis. Divinity will unfortunately find that out soon enough.

Rallyd- I'd like to direct your attention to this quote from your former guild mate. If anything has been proven over the past 3 months, it'd have to be your guild and Tibador's staggering ability of playing the victim.

[Pheer]

How about the instance where your guild leapfrogged Divinity while they were getting started on FGs by levitating up to the staging area? And then demanding that loot as a grace gift for 'letting' them do FGs. Yeah, IB never does anything wrong.

If you dont know to levitate up to the fg area then you probably deserve to be leapfrogged, its common sense.

If its even true that is, I havent been to an fg clear in awhile so I wouldn't know what happened. Unless you were there maybe you shouldn't be so quick to spread hearsay either.

[Hasbinbad]

36% haste items are all over the place
LoL, you mean the ONE 36% haste item (besides crappy war 2hs) currently in existence?
Wonton is the only person on server with CoF or equiv 36% haste to my knowledge.

[Hasbinbad]

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Fix'd

[Goobles]

If you dont know to levitate up to the fg area then you probably deserve to be leapfrogged, its common sense.

If its even true that is, I havent been to an fg clear in awhile so I wouldn't know what happened. Unless you were there maybe you shouldn't be so quick to spread hearsay either.

So clearing from the start = not engaged with mobs/right to mobs?

[Ektar]

How about the instance where your guild leapfrogged Divinity while they were getting started on FGs by levitating up to the staging area? And then demanding that loot as a grace gift for 'letting' them do FGs. Yeah, IB never does anything wrong.

Listen, you butthurt little QQ baby. They did not start killing the first 2 FGs until we had already engaged the "third" FG after levitating through the lava paths. Not only did we have the right to claim it as our own, but we also had the manpower.

However, in hopes of keeping our relations with Divinity better than that with trans, I entered into negotiations with Rhalous. Divinity was up and coming, and FGs were mostly below us. Most of the time drops rot, given to alts, or yippy maybe a tranix crown. We were after the skarlon sword, plain and simple. So I told Rhalous that's what we were after; we wanted them to get the other loot.

Since it was somewhat ambiguous who was first to engage, we compromised. Divinity was granted the FGs, and they would let me loot the sword if it dropped. We did not demand it, you whiny little bitch, it was agreed upon in good faith. Mith legs dropped, and Divinity walked out of solb with all the loot and the experience of a FG raid. No one was slighted in the least.

[Daydrem]

Goobles... Please dont bring Divinity or its dealings with other guilds up in the forums if you are going on heresy. We are perfectly capable of defending ourselves if we feel the need arises. Ektar's description of what happened is fact.

~Day

[Hasbinbad]

heresy
While the image of Goobles being burned at the stake as a heretic is decidedly hilarious, I think he is much more capable of ignorant gossiping than informed protest against corrupt oligarchies.

For Goobles:

her⋅e⋅sy
/ˈhɛrhttp://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngəhttp://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngsi/ [her-uh-see] 1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, esp. of a church or religious system. 2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine. 3. Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church. 4. any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.

hear⋅say
/ˈhɪərˌseɪ/ [heer-sey] –noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no attention to hearsay. 2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.
–adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay knowledge; a hearsay report.

[Dabamf]

Goobles owned by the very people he was trying to defend (aka use as ammo to continue his obsession with IB)

[messiah_b]

To be fair Goobles posting should be purged with fire.

[Kaleadar]

same ol crap, just another day...

you guys make my head hurt...

[Salty]

If you don't want to read drama, then don't read drama.

[Ektar]

lol salty with the wise words of the day

[karsten]

smart words from my smart pal