A/A strategy finally worked after a few years

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

So it finally happened. The plebeian casuals are finally leaving. When do the discussions begin for the rotation of content between the only two surviving guilds A/A?

[Ravager]

I'm confused. Wasn't it already on rotation between A/A?

[Comoc1]

Oh tell me more about this great migration.

[joediddy]

get ready to welcome back the class system

[TotallyLegit]

Can't believe you fucking twats are rotating mobs. Rotate with the whole server and stop being pussies.

[Joyelle]

Can't believe you fucking twats are rotating mobs. Rotate with the whole server and stop being pussies.

Stop being pussies and take the mobs you want.

[Gimp]

Stop being pussies and take the mobs you want.

Because nothing says "I'm an alpha" more than staring at a wall for 16 hours to have a chance at getting a mob on a server that will never move past it's current timeline.

[FatMice]

For CT: Keep eyes on track, keep eyes on their kiter, keep eyes on their AOE group. Once swarm is pulled into their AOE group tag in CT and pull to your raid. You will get a few adds, kill this quick. Focus on CT. If they drop their train and it agros your raid its a train. Threaten to petition, they will concede or face a 10 day.

[Rygar]

For CT: Keep eyes on track, keep eyes on their kiter, keep eyes on their AOE group. Once swarm is pulled into their AOE group tag in CT and pull to your raid. You will get a few adds, kill this quick. Focus on CT. If they drop their train and it agros your raid its a train. Threaten to petition, they will concede or face a 10 day.

Should hold up in the P99 Supreme Court. Air tight!

[FatMice]

Should hold up in the P99 Supreme Court. Air tight!

I know. I am the best.

[Detoxx]

Should hold up in the P99 Supreme Court. Air tight!

Not if the aoers wipe

[Detoxx]

I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals. The denied a rotation when Awakened was suspended of thesemobs:

Tunare
Eashen
Dain
Statue
AoW
Yelinak
CT
and several other top raid targets.

"But Detoxx, youre a greedy fuck! Theres no Dozekar on there, no Vulak, no King Tormax! Of course they denied it, you took the best for yourselves!"

To you, naysayer, I say:
We did not take them for ourselves, we left them open to FFA for anyone to get.

It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.

[Pokesan]

there's very little difference between FFA vs casuals and claiming them for yourself

Are you beating off thinking about this?

[Mythanor]

The competition we so crave has driven the dirty casuals away!! We have the server to ourselves, to compete endlessly ..... oh wait, we dont compete amongst the neckbeards. But we will cram "We play for the competition" down your throat !

TL;DR - Their enjoyment comes from denial of pixels, not the actual *races*....

[FatMice]

Zoole you forgot an important step, you need to make sure when you tag CT that you pull it the right direction.

Are you referring to the time when Reep said go right so I went right? But he meant my left and not his right?

[Freakish]

I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals. The denied a rotation when Awakened was suspended of thesemobs:

Tunare
Eashen
Dain
Statue
AoW
Yelinak
CT
and several other top raid targets.

"But Detoxx, youre a greedy fuck! Theres no Dozekar on there, no Vulak, no King Tormax! Of course they denied it, you took the best for yourselves!"

To you, naysayer, I say:
We did not take them for ourselves, we left them open to FFA for anyone to get.

It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.

Casuals don't stare at walls to fte mobs. Possibly one or two of those would be contested but mostly
it would be aftermath willing to race for them.

[fan D]

GOOD OLE BLUE99

[fan D]

good ole blue99

seek help losers

[Spyder73]

Their enjoyment comes from denial of pixels, not the actual *races*....

What you don't realize is the 2 big guilds have been cucking the rest of you since launch. Secret agreements are in place to ensure the casual does not rise out of its places. If it puts the pixels on its skin, it gets the hose again - doesn't matter, had sex

[Naethyn]

Because nothing says "I'm an alpha" more than staring at a wall for 16 hours to have a chance at getting a mob on a server that will never move past it's current timeline.

A ton of people pride themselves on races. Check out the department of fun guys. It is no different from what is going on here. The days of an actual competition are over. We are doing gnome races.

[Detoxx]

Casuals don't stare at walls to fte mobs. Possibly one or two of those would be contested but mostly
it would be aftermath willing to race for them.

Yes you do. Stop lying

[Maner]

Casuals don't stare at walls to fte mobs. Possibly one or two of those would be contested but mostly
it would be aftermath willing to race for them.

So you don't follow server rules yet think you are entitled to kill raid mobs?

[TotallyLegit]

So you don't follow server rules yet think you are entitled to kill raid mobs?

You think that server rules dictate that you need to stare at pixel walls for 16 hours? You'd be wrong.

And pathetic.

[Soandso]

How do you top guilds expect other lower guilds to "compete" if they never even get a shot at these raids to learn them? Would it really be that detrimental to you guys if say for example, you were just like were not gunna contest Tormax (or whoever) for the next week? Pretty funny seeing former Taken members take this elitist attitude, you guys have literally become what you used to hate, and it wasn't out of skill it was out of a guild merger.

[Bones]

How do you top guilds expect other lower guilds to "compete" if they never even get a shot at these raids to learn them? Would it really be that detrimental to you guys if say for example, you were just like were not gunna contest Tormax (or whoever) for the next week? Pretty funny seeing former Taken members take this elitist attitude, you guys have literally become what you used to hate, and it wasn't out of skill it was out of a guild merger.

A/A is worse than TMO because at least TMO was honest about who they were and their intentions where A/A pretends to love competition but really they just have the same goals as TMO did and that's to lock down all the raid content from everybody on the server not wearing their guild tag which they have admitted to

Eventually there will be nobody left to dangle the carrot in front of and these guys will have that dead server all to themselves that they seem to want so badly

[Cecily]

A ton of people pride themselves on races. Check out the department of fun guys. It is no different from what is going on here. The days of an actual competition are over. We are doing gnome races.

The difference is that Department of Fun races mobilize faster and don't take 16 hours to begin.

[Erati]

How do you top guilds expect other lower guilds to "compete" if they never even get a shot at these raids to learn them? Would it really be that detrimental to you guys if say for example, you were just like were not gunna contest Tormax (or whoever) for the next week? Pretty funny seeing former Taken members take this elitist attitude, you guys have literally become what you used to hate, and it wasn't out of skill it was out of a guild merger.

When you ask for things try to not insult with the other half of your mouth during your proposal Mr Anonymous person.

You know nothing Jon Snow.

[Cecily]

How is calling Awakened a knockoff TMO an insult?

[Detoxx]

The difference is that Department of Fun races mobilize faster and don't take 16 hours to begin.

No one ever said you need to be there 16 hours. In fact, a lot of mobs spawn before 8. That and you can do 2 or 3 hours and get lucky.

Crutches will crutch tho, naaaaa mean?

[Cecily]

The difference is that EVERY Department of Fun race mobilizes and begins in under 16 hours.

Fixed.

[Erati]

How is calling Awakened a knockoff TMO an insult?

Pretty funny seeing former Taken members take this elitist attitude, you guys have literally become what you used to hate, and it wasn't out of skill it was out of a guild merger.

the above had nothing to do with the first sentence and shows a deep seeded mis-directed anger present within this one

[Cecily]

I'm paraphrasing a lil... but that's exactly what he said. Why do you take it as an insult?

[Phenyo]

When you ask for things try to not insult with the other half of your mouth during your proposal Mr Anonymous person.

You know nothing Jon Snow.

Cringe

[skarlorn]

how is it anything but insulting yourself when you brag about your p99 velious raid accomplishments in 2017 the year of god

[BallzDeep]

How are people complaining about P99 velious raiding in 2017 the year of god? Larger guilds have a bigger mouth to feed and higher turnover rate. 30% of the level 60's are probably in A/A. So many servers out there.....people choose this one to bitch about still.... irony.

[Soandso]

Still trying to figure out where the insult was? Notice how he just deflected and didn't bother to address any of the points except for him being hurt by an imaginary insult, aka the truth...which does hurt in this case I guess?

[Freakish]

Yes you do. Stop lying

When was the last time you saw anyone outside of Rustle / Aftermath / Awakened on TOV stairs or socking VP pad? I think Infernus or possibly CSG has a racer at times. That's besides the point here though. Those casual guilds you offered scraps to said they don't want to race, don't like racing, and thus your offer was not acceptable. You chose to say fine, then they're all FFA. Didn't you end up cleaning house when everything was FFA? We all know that leaving the top mobs as FFA would have resulted in the same thing. Everything going to Aftermath.

I give props to Aftermath for the first suspension split. It was very generous. I even give props for working on that second split that ended up going FFA. I think being willing to give up anything was a solid server gesture. AM did not ruin that, it was the small guilds who were unwilling to accept free loot because it just wasn't good enough. To say those FFA mobs wouldn't have gone to AM though is just ignorant.

[Soandso]

And btw the way I wasn't asking for shit but lols to you if you actually think I was or that my "proposal" was something legit as if I'm some representative of this bs. I was legit asking a question and you went off in left field deflection.

[Maner]

When was the last time you saw anyone outside of Rustle / Aftermath / Awakened on TOV stairs or socking VP pad? I think Infernus or possibly CSG has a racer at times. That's besides the point here though. Those casual guilds you offered scraps to said they don't want to race, don't like racing, and thus your offer was not acceptable. You chose to say fine, then they're all FFA. Didn't you end up cleaning house when everything was FFA? We all know that leaving the top mobs as FFA would have resulted in the same thing. Everything going to Aftermath.

I give props to Aftermath for the first suspension split. It was very generous. I even give props for working on that second split that ended up going FFA. I think being willing to give up anything was a solid server gesture. AM did not ruin that, it was the small guilds who were unwilling to accept free loot because it just wasn't good enough. To say those FFA mobs wouldn't have gone to AM though is just ignorant.

You asked a question and then answered it yourself... The server rules right now include FTE racing on some targets, if you dont like it then agnarr is a few days away.

[gnatte]

CSG just shows its true colors by running off after the most raid mobs they ever had while we were suspended for almost a month, we came back and they decided having to try was too hard they only want free pixels! Only the hardcore EQ fans survive and they eventually join one of the few high end guilds, nothing evil about it just the way things work but everyone wants to act like its some conspiracy.

[Freakish]

You asked a question and then answered it yourself... The server rules right now include FTE racing on some targets, if you dont like it then agnarr is a few days away.

You're an idiot and not worth reading.

[Bones]

CSG just shows its true colors by running off after the most raid mobs they ever had while we were suspended for almost a month, we came back and they decided having to try was too hard they only want free pixels! Only the hardcore EQ fans survive and they eventually join one of the few high end guilds, nothing evil about it just the way things work but everyone wants to act like its some conspiracy.

so now the only ones getting free pixels are A/A with zero competition just like they want it

[Cecily]

Wish you and Deterks would stop with the pedantry. Of course you guys don't actually track a mob for 16 hours straight. It's hyperbole. What you actually do keep multiple mobs tracked across multiple zones tracked for much, much longer. It's funny because it's pathetic.

[Maner]

Wish you and Deterks would stop with the pedantry. Of course you guys don't actually track a mob for 16 hours straight. It's hyperbole. What you actually do keep multiple mobs tracked across multiple zones tracked for much, much longer. It's funny because it's pathetic.

and yet its honestly also super easy to do. No one person is spending 10 hours straight let alone 16hours straight really. You set up a screen share before you go to work and multiple different people "track" while youre away.

[Gimp]

and yet its honestly also super easy to do. No one person is spending 10 hours straight let alone 16hours straight really. You set up a screen share before you go to work and multiple different people "track" while youre away.

well that's just not true

[Caiu]

Bunch of casuals. It was way funner after that original Nagafen AW suspension. A brilliant plan to spread raid timers out over around a week was enacted by AM. 16 hours? Bah you aren't really getting to the fun part of raiding until you've tracked the same screeenshares for 30-40 hours straight or made a pet track hotkey Jarekn tells you,'Attacking Vulak Master. That you mash once a millisecond.

It's been amusing over the years to see how much end game scene has improved immensely yet the crying never stops. You are in a world with limited resources even with strict rotations you may never get that coveted item you desire. That's EQ and what makes it so great is it really feels like a living world. You make of it what you will and some sit for years occasionally nabbing some top gear here and there in casual guilds. On the other flip side there are those who recognize that in a system made up of limited resources if you want the best stuff you will have to put in the effort to obtain it. Especially as populations rise and the same number of resources remain constant competition comes into play.

IMO This is a classic EQ server which comes with most of the baggage of that era. No one is gonna hold your hand, no one is going to give you free loot because you can't be bothered to put in even minimal effort to obtain said loots. There's other places out there that cater to that easy distribution of loot. If that's your goal then why are you here go out and raid your heart out.

[Pokesan]

Bunch of casuals. It was way funner after that original Nagafen AW suspension. A brilliant plan to spread raid timers out over around a week was enacted by AM. 16 hours? Bah you aren't really getting to the fun part of raiding until you've tracked the same screeenshares for 30-40 hours straight or made a pet track hotkey Jarekn tells you,'Attacking Vulak Master. That you mash once a millisecond.

It's been amusing over the years to see how much end game scene has improved immensely yet the crying never stops. You are in a world with limited resources even with strict rotations you may never get that coveted item you desire. That's EQ and what makes it so great is it really feels like a living world. You make of it what you will and some sit for years occasionally nabbing some top gear here and there in casual guilds. On the other flip side there are those who recognize that in a system made up of limited resources if you want the best stuff you will have to put in the effort to obtain it. Especially as populations rise and the same number of resources remain constant competition comes into play.

IMO This is a classic EQ server which comes with most of the baggage of that era. No one is gonna hold your hand, no one is going to give you free loot because you can't be bothered to put in even minimal effort to obtain said loots. There's other places out there that cater to that easy distribution of loot. If that's your goal then why are you here go out and raid your heart out.

some people will give you free loot

[Expediency]

CSG just shows its true colors by running off after the most raid mobs they ever had while we were suspended for almost a month, we came back and they decided having to try was too hard they only want free pixels! Only the hardcore EQ fans survive and they eventually join one of the few high end guilds, nothing evil about it just the way things work but everyone wants to act like its some conspiracy.

Up until the double a/a bans, csg was still advancing through content we had not yet seen. Azure Guard had grown to be a huge guild and csg was putting up ridiculous numbers. When A/A got banned (twice) we got to do most/all of the stuff we had not killed yet. It was fantastic dealing with other civilized people for a short time. Lots of players who had been around since the velious release felt they "beat the game" and that further racing against you was a foolish contest that only the lowest common denominator would win. We lost several good, longterm people to retirement and a group of others went to TAKP. I bet something similar happened within F/V only they went to angar.

CSG is still active and raiding and eventually will try to race again on select targets but right now there is little appetite. A/A goes to crazy extremes to hold on to content They'll burn out eventually. If the leaders of those guilds put their 24/7 drive towards something productive over the last 18 months instead of line racing they could have started a business or built a house.

[Maner]

Up until the double a/a bans, csg was still advancing through content we had not yet seen. Azure Guard had grown to be a huge guild and csg was putting up ridiculous numbers. When A/A got banned (twice) we got to do most/all of the stuff we had not killed yet. It was fantastic dealing with other civilized people for a short time. Lots of players who had been around since the velious release felt they "beat the game" and that further racing against you was a foolish contest that only the lowest common denominator would win. We lost several good, longterm people to retirement and a group of others went to TAKP. I bet something similar happened within F/V only they went to angar.

CSG is still active and raiding and eventually will try to race again on select targets but right now there is little appetite. A/A goes to crazy extremes to hold on to content They'll burn out eventually. If the leaders of those guilds put their 24/7 drive towards something productive over the last 18 months instead of line racing they could have started a business or built a house.

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

[Lazie]

well that's just not true

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once. Hokushin would spend more time than that when he played. I think the longest I did in Velious personally was 11 hours the first week of races. Fifield was there the entire time too. Nalken has put in some pretty insane hours as well. Detoxx too.

After that first week of racing in ToV I was pretty much done though with raiding. While racing can be fun if spawns happen quickly. It just burns out people long term. When I saw Velious take the same path Kunark did (FTE insta pull>Mage Cothing>Racing) but at a quicker rate that is when I was really done with raiding here. Because the environment does a lot of things to people.

1. It makes you resent guildies who don't put in the same effort.
2. It makes people angry at the runners when they don't get a perceived amount of FTEs. Which in turn makes the FTE runners resent the other guildies more for complaining.
3. It burns out your guild and forces you to recruit heavily for fresh people to do the running.
4. It makes you hate the people you are competing against because of all the work it takes so every little thing that goes wrong gets magnified. So guilds competing with each other just hate each other for no reason outside of you both are trying to do the same thing.

[Expediency]

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

What makes you think I'm salty? I didnt leave or quit and I still help with community events. I'm calling it like I see it. From the outside looking in what you guys do looks crazy to me and most of the rest of us, especially after seeing what it was like with you gone. We are a lawfully aligned guild and its not in our DNA to test the rules limit to the point of eating bans if we can avoid it.

Multiple people looking at a skype video or whatever of someone else's screen so they can track a mob? I could look at my phone all day doing that but I choose not to. I respect your dedication but that does not seem rational to me. Enjoy your BiS loots.

[NachtMystium]

honestly the millions of threads like this is probably why a/a will never stop doing it, i think they enjoy seeing the casuals cry, it makes them feel superior and it justifies those 16 hr track sessions

[Zekayy]

How do you top guilds expect other lower guilds to "compete" if they never even get a shot at these raids to learn them? Would it really be that detrimental to you guys if say for example, you were just like were not gunna contest Tormax (or whoever) for the next week? Pretty funny seeing former Taken members take this elitist attitude, you guys have literally become what you used to hate, and it wasn't out of skill it was out of a guild merger.

There are test servers people can make and go test out the fight there, like aftermath did and then come back and complain less

[Litigator]

There are test servers people can make and go test out the fight there, like aftermath did and then come back and complain less

List of things we've learned we need to compete with a/a (let me know if I miss any):

1. At least one person to leave a computer on all day
2. Multiple people to look at a camera pointed at #1
3. Batphone to distribute info gleaned from #2
4. Voice chat and a mic
5. Your own private server where you can practice
6. Enough people to staff a 16 hour racing window where even if all things are equal the chance of your guild winning is 1/3 or 1/4.

You do this week after week after week after week etc. Do you know what an opportunity cost is?

[Naethyn]

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once. Hokushin would spend more time than that when he played. I think the longest I did in Velious personally was 11 hours the first week of races. Fifield was there the entire time too. Nalken has put in some pretty insane hours as well. Detoxx too.

After that first week of racing in ToV I was pretty much done though with raiding. While racing can be fun if spawns happen quickly. It just burns out people long term. When I saw Velious take the same path Kunark did (FTE insta pull>Mage Cothing>Racing) but at a quicker rate that is when I was really done with raiding here. Because the environment does a lot of things to people.

1. It makes you resent guildies who don't put in the same effort.
2. It makes people angry at the runners when they don't get a perceived amount of FTEs. Which in turn makes the FTE runners resent the other guildies more for complaining.
3. It burns out your guild and forces you to recruit heavily for fresh people to do the running.
4. It makes you hate the people you are competing against because of all the work it takes so every little thing that goes wrong gets magnified. So guilds competing with each other just hate each other for no reason outside of you both are trying to do the same thing.

100% truth

[Bones]

honestly the millions of threads like this is probably why a/a will never stop doing it, i think they enjoy seeing the casuals cry, it makes them feel superior and it justifies those 16 hr track sessions

http://i.imgur.com/kAOzJX6.gif

[Detoxx]

When was the last time you saw anyone outside of Rustle / Aftermath / Awakened on TOV stairs or socking VP pad? I think Infernus or possibly CSG has a racer at times. That's besides the point here though. Those casual guilds you offered scraps to said they don't want to race, don't like racing, and thus your offer was not acceptable. You chose to say fine, then they're all FFA. Didn't you end up cleaning house when everything was FFA? We all know that leaving the top mobs as FFA would have resulted in the same thing. Everything going to Aftermath.

I give props to Aftermath for the first suspension split. It was very generous. I even give props for working on that second split that ended up going FFA. I think being willing to give up anything was a solid server gesture. AM did not ruin that, it was the small guilds who were unwilling to accept free loot because it just wasn't good enough. To say those FFA mobs wouldn't have gone to AM though is just ignorant.

oddly enough I was talking about Rustle.

[Lhancelot]

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once. Hokushin would spend more time than that when he played. I think the longest I did in Velious personally was 11 hours the first week of races. Fifield was there the entire time too. Nalken has put in some pretty insane hours as well. Detoxx too.

After that first week of racing in ToV I was pretty much done though with raiding. While racing can be fun if spawns happen quickly. It just burns out people long term. When I saw Velious take the same path Kunark did (FTE insta pull>Mage Cothing>Racing) but at a quicker rate that is when I was really done with raiding here. Because the environment does a lot of things to people.

1. It makes you resent guildies who don't put in the same effort.
2. It makes people angry at the runners when they don't get a perceived amount of FTEs. Which in turn makes the FTE runners resent the other guildies more for complaining.
3. It burns out your guild and forces you to recruit heavily for fresh people to do the running.
4. It makes you hate the people you are competing against because of all the work it takes so every little thing that goes wrong gets magnified. So guilds competing with each other just hate each other for no reason outside of you both are trying to do the same thing.

This is well-put and explains a lot.

So, is there a way to improve the raiding on p99, or is this the best it can get?

[Swish]

So, is there a way to improve the raiding on p99, or is this the best it can get?

Just continually hit the earthquake button til the hardcores burn out/lose their jobs/families/etc.

[Dolalin]

It's really just become nasty here.

[Kushie]

lol @ p99 raiding

[branamil]

I'm personally planning on quitting my job so that I can get that extra that +50 mana over a common crafted item

[Caiu]

Quitting your job for Flowing Thought would be way more logical .

[Culkasi]

"Shrug" P99 raiding is dead for anyone but A/A really, its been known for a while, which is why we have stopped even trying (a part from the odd attempt once in a while). The amount of work that has to go into constantly running fraps and rules lawyering to stop the blatant cheating / line crossing, for some pixels in an 18 year old elf sim is just stupid. A/A refuses to rotate any content (apart from between themselves apparently, oh that wonderful competition), and so all the other raid guilds are slowly leaving the server.

Its clearly what staff wanted though, a smaller population with less raid guilds "shrug" - they are getting it.

As for Europa (and CSG) we've conceded that A/A are never going to change, and staff isn't really going to do anything about it, so we'll have some fun raiding Sky and Hate and whatnot, and grab an opportunity when we see it, while waiting for Pantheon. I am sure a substantial number of people will leave for Agnarr where raiding can actually be a thing down the line, but personally I am going to hang around and play casually like I intended to do when I came to P99.

So congratulations A/A on dominating and splitting 98% of the content between you in the name of competition - I know it makes you feel really warm and fuzzy, and Rogean and rest of staff got what they want :)

[Ivah]

Just continually hit the earthquake button til the hardcores burn out/lose their jobs/families/etc.

This

[Baler]

who's Anom Alt account is TimTheToolmanTaylor?

[Fragged]

It's not like A/A is a closed club like the top guilds were on live. Getting raid loot on this server is extremely easy.

1. Join one of the raiding guilds (theres twice as many as there were most standard servers back on live)
2. Join raids whenever you feel like it, there are raids 24/7. You don't have to do anything at all, everything is setup all you have to do is log in and have fun killing a dragon once in a while. The rest of the time you can dick around in Crushbone if so desire. The kills take between 20 min and 1 hour.
3. Buy raid loot and epics EXTREMELY cheap for your DKP because everyone in A/A already has it on their mains and five alts. All loot besides the very very end gear is basically thrown at new members including epics.
4. Profit

In some sense you could actually say that casual guilds are the real hardcore players on the server because they chose to spend up words of 100 times the amount of time it would have taken to obtain the same piece of loot in A/A. In A/A that same piece of loot might cost you a few raids worth of DKP = 3-4 hours of your time, but in the casual guilds you have raided for months and months with raids taking much much longer then when A/A raids just to compete VS all your guild mates for that piece of loot you could have gotten for a 3 hour investment in A/A. So who are the real hardcore players?

In A/A people want to spend their time efficiently so they have time for jobs families and such.

[Fragged]

Join A/A today and get more out of your time and have fun killing dragons whenever YOU please!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN-ta6g856Y

PS: Obviously chose Aftermath since we have the #1 french on the server + milk and cookies and you get to make fun of Detoxx all day long (we call him Bubbles or Dongtoxx).

[kotton05]

In a/a its much more than 3-4 hours of dkp to get items more like 3-4 months.. For a new person coming in with 0 and can't track/screen share often good luck competing with the gobs of dkp inflation there is. Stop tricking people.

Grats on running fires and ven away. Take away from this is pooping golems isn't the way in the raid scene, it's the way out.

[Caiu]

naw man most people have most of what they want its only the vulak doze tier stuff thats expensive. everything else is generally dirt cheap

[thiz1234]

Should I get Mcdonalds or burger king breakfast?

[kotton05]

Was more so referring to the all/all stuff that's sought after like you mentioned

[Nommis]

http://i.imgur.com/V1cJ9XE.jpg

[thebutthat]

I personally prefer the shit shows of raids over the super expedited and smooth raid that people have done 100x.

Pixels will be replaced, but me laughing my ass off all night and my guild wiping in hate. With a prized member of the guild yelling in /shout "GOD DAMNIT, WE'RE A CASUAL GUILD, NOT A SHITTY GUILD!" That'll stay with me forever.

[Fragged]

In a/a its much more than 3-4 hours of dkp to get items more like 3-4 months.. For a new person coming in with 0 and can't track/screen share often good luck competing with the gobs of dkp inflation there is. Stop tricking people.

Grats on running fires and ven away. Take away from this is pooping golems isn't the way in the raid scene, it's the way out.

Heres a small list of items that have recently gone for about 50 DKP in Aftermath which equates to 3-4 hours of killing dragons or 10 hours of tracking.

Pauldrons of Ferocity
Bow of the Destroyer
Primal Velium Battle Axe
White Dragon Scales
Donal's Chestplate of Mourning
Shroud of the Dar Brood
Tolan's Darkwood Breastplate
Verlekarnorm's Horn of Disaster
Rocksmasher
Frostreaver's Velium Crown
Faceguard of Bentos the Hero
Eye of Narandi
Primal Velium Brawl Stick
Ancient Wurm Hide Robe
Wurm Claw Pauldrons
Iron Scroll of War
Boots of the Dead Dream
Primal Velium War Lance
Crown of Narandi
Deepwater Breastplate
Jaundiced Bone Breastplate
Cobalt Greaves
Medal of Deep Thought
First Brood Talisman
Shiny Metallic Sleeves
Sprinkler of the Spirits
Dagarn's Tail
Boots of Superiority
Dragonrib Club
Mask of Superiority
Narandi's Lance
Hammer of Battle
Shovel of the Harvest
Cloak of the Fearsome
Necklace of Nightstalking
Kreizenn's Flame
Cloak of Piety
Bracelet of Protection
Gnarled Staff
Siren Song, Dagger of the Sea
Primal Velium Claidhmore
Zombie Flesh Bracer
Tolan's Longsword of the Glade
Mask of Terror
Flame Etched Short Sword
Girdle of Dark Power
Bracelet of the Deep Sea
Cloak of Venom
Staff of Null
Ancient Wyvern Hide Leggings
Dawncaller, Blade of the Morning
Donal's Leggings of Mourning
Silver Whip of Rage
Onyx Chain Leggings
Amulet of the Storm

If you increase the value to about 100 DKP (a whopping 6 - 8 hours worth of effort) the list increases exponentially and reaches items such as Helmet of Rallos Zek which is starting to go to alts now.

Helmet of Rallos Zek
Slot: HEAD
AC: 55
STR: +15 DEX: +15 STA: +15 HP: +100
SV MAGIC: +15
Effect: Truesight (Worn)
WT: 1.0 Size: TINY
Class: WAR
Race: ALL


Stop wasting your time and come join the fun in Aftermath!

[Spyder73]

Warm body reporting - I recently acquired a Facesmasher off Joralag for 200 dkp (not an exorbitant amount by anyone's standards) - dreams do come true in A/A. Also have almost full HoT armor, Epic completed, Hammer of Battle, Sky haste belt...My alt necro has 3 pieces of PoG armor and a Zlandicar Heart (and I can buy Emissary of Thule and Demi Lich from the guild bank at discounted prices). My Bard has full Hate armor

1) I play only during peak hours

2) I don't play on Friday or Saturdays at all

3) I am not on the bat phone

4) I work a full time job 50 hours per week

I am leveling alts 90% of the time when playing EQ. I simply sit in our team speak "wake up channel" while fiddling around in Oasis or KC watching Trailer Park Boys and if a raid mob is called I log into my monk and do whatever I can to help.

The top level guys in A/A simply understand how ToV works (train ups, pulling, mechanics) better than anyone else. Listening to the concerted effort it takes to set up a kill in Team Speak....there is no competing with them - its hard to explain how they can make a simple game like EQ sound sophisticated but god damn it if they don't.... I would not ever want to compete against Aikons for any reason in an EQ related raid for example, the guy knows his sh!t inside and out.

The one thing I will say is that you absolutely need to have multiple characters if you want to really enjoy being in A/A. As a melee main I pretty much can only take my monk outside ToV for 3 days a week unless I just don't want to participate in raiding. If you are a caster I guess you could just bind at ToV.

My main EQ goals are all outside of raiding (sans epics) so its just icing on the cake that the fine members of Aftermath let me participate. 10% raid attendance requirement = you should join if you want to enjoy EQ end game.

[kotton05]

Heres a small list of items that have recently gone for about 50 DKP in Aftermath which equates to 3-4 hours of killing dragons or 10 hours of tracking.

Pauldrons of Ferocity
Bow of the Destroyer
Primal Velium Battle Axe
White Dragon Scales
Donal's Chestplate of Mourning
Shroud of the Dar Brood
Tolan's Darkwood Breastplate
Verlekarnorm's Horn of Disaster
Rocksmasher
Frostreaver's Velium Crown
Faceguard of Bentos the Hero
Eye of Narandi
Primal Velium Brawl Stick
Ancient Wurm Hide Robe
Wurm Claw Pauldrons
Iron Scroll of War
Boots of the Dead Dream
Primal Velium War Lance
Crown of Narandi
Deepwater Breastplate
Jaundiced Bone Breastplate
Cobalt Greaves
Medal of Deep Thought
First Brood Talisman
Shiny Metallic Sleeves
Sprinkler of the Spirits
Dagarn's Tail
Boots of Superiority
Dragonrib Club
Mask of Superiority
Narandi's Lance
Hammer of Battle
Shovel of the Harvest
Cloak of the Fearsome
Necklace of Nightstalking
Kreizenn's Flame
Cloak of Piety
Bracelet of Protection
Gnarled Staff
Siren Song, Dagger of the Sea
Primal Velium Claidhmore
Zombie Flesh Bracer
Tolan's Longsword of the Glade
Mask of Terror
Flame Etched Short Sword
Girdle of Dark Power
Bracelet of the Deep Sea
Cloak of Venom
Staff of Null
Ancient Wyvern Hide Leggings
Dawncaller, Blade of the Morning
Donal's Leggings of Mourning
Silver Whip of Rage
Onyx Chain Leggings
Amulet of the Storm

If you increase the value to about 100 DKP (a whopping 6 - 8 hours worth of effort) the list increases exponentially and reaches items such as Helmet of Rallos Zek which is starting to go to alts now.

Helmet of Rallos Zek
Slot: HEAD
AC: 55
STR: +15 DEX: +15 STA: +15 HP: +100
SV MAGIC: +15
Effect: Truesight (Worn)
WT: 1.0 Size: TINY
Class: WAR
Race: ALL


Stop wasting your time and come join the fun in Aftermath!

Whoa a big list... What you're doing isn't fun. You fail to mention that your roster is insanely big so it's highly pending on if any of the 100 other people that might log in that actually have dkp. While there are times those go for cheap ... are those off hours? Can a normal person with a wife n kids can attend? Lots of holes in your it's only a few dkp to get an item statement based off of lots of outside circumstances.

What's your highest dkp? You're numbers are still more than rustle in terms of dkp. Also if you take into account turn over/burn out and lowering your RA I'd say you might be struggling just a little.

[Caiu]

Your looking at DKP from the wrong perspective IMO. Sure the best of the best loot is gonna be sky high but think of how much time he/she spent helping other members also progress. There's no low,middle, or high class. You're all together progressing not only yourself but each and every member. And yeah it can be fun shooting the shit in TS or listening to a history lecture.

Seem salty bro

[Pokesan]

Should I get Mcdonalds or burger king breakfast?

mcdonalds if you want a much lighter wallet

[Phenyo]

Does aftermath provide a mentoring system for new players that are looking to experience endgame?

or is that just the role of all the other feeder guilds

[Caiu]

How could feeder guilds have end game experience.

I don't recall one in Aftermath but you'd always have experienced vets for all classes to askwhat your role should be how can you improve etc.

[Capi]

Just "showing up" to a raid is the opposite of the Rustle approach. 26 man Lady N kill way more exciting then Zerg.

Numbers wrong we probably had 94 for Lady N

[Pokesan]

Just "showing up" to a raid is the opposite of the Rustle approach. 26 man Lady N kill way more exciting then Zerg.

Numbers wrong we probably had 94 for Lady N

my skinner box can beatup ur skinner box

[Fragged]

Whoa a big list... What you're doing isn't fun. You fail to mention that your roster is insanely big so it's highly pending on if any of the 100 other people that might log in that actually have dkp. While there are times those go for cheap ... are those off hours? Can a normal person with a wife n kids can attend? Lots of holes in your it's only a few dkp to get an item statement based off of lots of outside circumstances.

What's your highest dkp? You're numbers are still more than rustle in terms of dkp. Also if you take into account turn over/burn out and lowering your RA I'd say you might be struggling just a little.

Killing dragons is plenty of fun.

These are the current going rates on those items, most of them have seen many drops going at this rate or lower, some have just recently reached this rate. All of these items were more expensive a few months back when our raid force wasn't nearly as saturated.

There will always be fluctuations in price like you said, but we have a cut off of 50 DKP meaning that mains will always win over an alt if they bid 51 DKP making it a lot easier for new members to obtaining a good base set of raiding gear.

You can raid whenever you want with us as we try to kill mobs 24/7, we have members from all over the globe with wives and kids, so yes a normal person can absolutely attend. People snag raids whenever they can/want just like Tekilya posted. You don't have to track or run or stare at walls we have plenty of people that do that, you can do however you please. There more you help out the more loot you get, it's completely up to you. When it comes to time invested vs amount of loot you get you simply get more bang for your buck in A/A than any other guild on this server as illustrated by the list I posted.

Like I said, raiding on p99 is not a closed club like it was on live, where the wait list to join the top guilds were so long that you basically had to be unemployed to have a chance of them letting you in. Here you have A/A with arms wide open ready to get to know you and help you progress.

[Detoxx]

Up until the double a/a bans, csg was still advancing through content we had not yet seen. Azure Guard had grown to be a huge guild and csg was putting up ridiculous numbers. When A/A got banned (twice) we got to do most/all of the stuff we had not killed yet. It was fantastic dealing with other civilized people for a short time. Lots of players who had been around since the velious release felt they "beat the game" and that further racing against you was a foolish contest that only the lowest common denominator would win. We lost several good, longterm people to retirement and a group of others went to TAKP. I bet something similar happened within F/V only they went to angar.

CSG is still active and raiding and eventually will try to race again on select targets but right now there is little appetite. A/A goes to crazy extremes to hold on to content They'll burn out eventually. If the leaders of those guilds put their 24/7 drive towards something productive over the last 18 months instead of line racing they could have started a business or built a house.
I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

[Expediency]

I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

You are clearly capable of managing people, managing resources, and being somewhere on time regardless of the time of day. If you do not own your own business you should really take that risk. 100% not trolling I respect this dedication even if i dont understand it.

[Fragged]

Does aftermath provide a mentoring system for new players that are looking to experience endgame?

or is that just the role of all the other feeder guilds

My best advice is to just get your feet wet and join either Aftermath or Awakend, and see if it's a fit for you. The worst thing that can happen is that you get a few new friends and experience some raids, maybe learn a new trick or two.

In Aftermath we have many people that love helping out, answering questions and just running around kicking rocks with our new members. And I'm very sure they are just as kind in Awakend.

[Pokesan]

I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

i'd like to hear from spyder73 on this. double-dog dare you buddy.

[Llodd]

As long as you're ok with sacrificing a piece of your soul xD

[therealmd]

at the end of the day, you are a bunch of adults arguing over pixels. Just think about that for a second.

[Expediency]

at the end of the day, you are a bunch of adults arguing over pixels. Just think about that for a second.

Youre an adult reading anonymous people arguing about pixels. Not a step in the right direction.

[therealmd]

Youre an adult reading anonymous people arguing about pixels. Not a step in the right direction.

No different than watching a youtube video of fails. It's casual entertainment, proceed.

[Expediency]

No different than watching a youtube video of fails. It's casual entertainment, proceed.

Reading it = "casual entertainment" but participating is bad? Explain that one to me.

[Necrostoner]

Reading it = "casual entertainment" but participating is bad? Explain that one to me.

Reading it takes seconds or minutes. Participating takes months of cumulative time.

[Expediency]

Reading it takes seconds or minutes. Participating takes months of cumulative time.

Its does not take months of time to write a post.

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

who's Anom Alt account is TimTheToolmanTaylor?

nobody famous really. just a guy with an opinion on the internet.

[Capi]

Its does not take months of time to write a post.

nobody famous really. just a guy with an opinion on the internet.

Loved your show as a kid

[RedXIII]

is this the new QQ thread? Nice. Subscribe'ing for laughs at work.

Keep the tears flowing.

[Daldaen]

I hope all the casual guilds leave P99 and join Agnarr.

Would be interesting to see if the raid scene changes at all with just A/A/Rustle poopsocking things.

Would also be an interesting change to the economy when there's no longer a tier of players to sell raid loot that has been blocked off to. See if that changes recharge habits / clicky use.

[Maner]

I hope all the casual guilds leave P99 and join Agnarr.

Would be interesting to see if the raid scene changes at all with just A/A/Rustle poopsocking things.

Would also be an interesting change to the economy when there's no longer a tier of players to sell raid loot that has been blocked off to. See if that changes recharge habits / clicky use.

The only raid loot that is sold really is BoE stuff and then only sometimes. Very rarely is there a no drop item that is sold to anyone. The only real examples of a no drop item being sold that i can think of are knight weapons.

[Kedina]

It's really just become nasty here..

Yes, yes it has.

[Deliverator]

I don't understand the complaints here. The server created rules to govern the raid scene to reduce the amount of gm attention necessary to deal with disputes regarding raid disruption and kill stealing and ninja looting. Everyone praised the work out into these raid rules that gave everyone a fair chance to compete on a level playing field for the majority of raid targets. But now people are complaining that competing is just too much of a time investment and everyone should just get uncontested access to everything? My only complaint about the raid scene is that sleeper is awake so I will never get to see sleepers tomb the way it was before.

[Spyder73]

I own a house, make 80k+ a year, just bought a 40k truck and my girlfriend and her daughter live with me. Yet ive lead multiple guilds and been very successful in that aspect. Hmmmm

i'd like to hear from spyder73 on this. double-dog dare you buddy.

*Twitches nervously while giggling to himself *

*Stares at the 'C' button but cant make himself hit it*

[kempofuryfist]

For CT: Keep eyes on track, keep eyes on their kiter, keep eyes on their AOE group. Once swarm is pulled into their AOE group tag in CT and pull to your raid. You will get a few adds, kill this quick. Focus on CT. If they drop their train and it agros your raid its a train. Threaten to petition, they will concede or face a 10 day.

That is why P2002 is great. Luclin is out with POP upcoming enjoy your velious phat loot.

[Tankdan]

Yep not true at all. On weekends a lot of people spend over 10 hours tracking. I know back in Kunark I put in 18 hours in a row once

I actually saved a quote you made during Kunark saying how we were going to get "dominated in Velious," just to give me a little motivation to kick that ass. Thanks for that :D

[Lazie]

I actually saved a quote you made during Kunark saying how we were going to get "dominated in Velious," just to give me a little motivation to kick that ass. Thanks for that :D

The shit talking was real. Motivated both sides at the time because of the length of Kunark I imagine. Most of that stuff was to troll though if I posted it in RNF. I used to love when that person in your guild would spend hours making graphs to show what you guys killed and post em in RNF. I don't think he ever grasped that all RNF posts were made just to make people react.

[fan D]

ya tmo was one heapin pile of garbage that last year of kunark or so.

felt like i got duped when i joined TMO. most the good players left and i got stuck in this guild of bad players and warmbodies

if it wasnt for nalken we'd have been on BDA level

[Nirgon]

For CT: Keep eyes on track, keep eyes on their kiter, keep eyes on their AOE group. Once swarm is pulled into their AOE group tag in CT and pull to your raid. You will get a few adds, kill this quick. Focus on CT. If they drop their train and it agros your raid its a train. Threaten to petition, they will concede or face a 10 day.

Stop leaking the play book

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

I don't understand the complaints here. The server created rules to govern the raid scene to reduce the amount of gm attention necessary to deal with disputes regarding raid disruption and kill stealing and ninja looting. Everyone praised the work out into these raid rules that gave everyone a fair chance to compete on a level playing field for the majority of raid targets. But now people are complaining that competing is just too much of a time investment and everyone should just get uncontested access to everything? My only complaint about the raid scene is that sleeper is awake so I will never get to see sleepers tomb the way it was before.

no, you missed the point. millennials are entitled to free loot. The GMs are wrong and they need to make it so you can just use slash commands and spawn your hard earned (you did install the game right? that was difficult enough) pixels.

[Cecily]

ya tmo was one heapin pile of garbage that last year of kunark or so.

felt like i got duped when i joined TMO. most the good players left and i got stuck in this guild of bad players and warmbodies

if it wasnt for nalken we'd have been on BDA level

I'm sorry, but I had fun having you in guild at least. Yeah that last year I was just taking everything I could on my ranger so I could do Velious solo.

Windstriker, Sky cloak, Epics, Sword of Rile.

Thanks TMO.

[Lazie]

I'm sorry, but I had fun having you in guild at least. Yeah that last year I was just taking everything I could on my ranger so I could do Velious solo.

Windstriker, Sky cloak, Epics, Sword of Rile.

Thanks TMO.

Yeah it wasn't as bad as he makes it out to be a lot of folks were waiting for Velious. I wasn't playing at the time because 7 months of tracking and no Velious was enough for me. But while I was doing my afk people like Marksman etc were just toxic and it caused Detoxx and others to want to leave. Kinda what I pointed out earlier. The people putting in work at the time had disagreements with the people who weren't and how they were treating guildies. It is just what this raid system breeds eventually.

[dafier]

BLACK!

http://i.imgur.com/uomkVIL.png

[Mytral]

Longer spawn timers. More frequent earthquakes.

We all know there is nothing classic about this server anyway............

[FatMice]

I bet that Nev kill had to be exciting! Killing Vulak at 5 am with 38 people was a nail biter to!

Eww! Now your nails are all gross.

[Kushie]

Detoxx makes 80k a year though guys

[JurisDictum]

The real reason I'm going Agnarr is because I don't really want to level any alts on p99 or race for dragons. That's basically everything there is for me to do at this point. I do think if raiding worked as it was intended (a crawl followed by a boss fight), I could play this server on and off forever. But that screen staring shit is horrible, and what's the point slowly gearing out a character you never play?

I'm one of those people that likes being on a well functioning crawl. Crazy I know. But to me, waiting in camp for someone to pull the dragon to the zone in kind of killed classic for me. Even if some content is skipped via COTH, players should still have to generally walk up to the dragon as a raid and kill it there.

And of course-- I'm with the 99%+ on how boring the current running up system is.

[Mead]

80K pizzas a year.

In fairness to Detoxx though, he's not half the worthless faggot you are. He may be an obese gravel-throated loser, but at least he's good at P99 raiding. It's not much of an accomplishment, but since it is technically something he has you beat.

:D

[Papa]

Freezi mad that you aren't supposed to use hate speech on this forum

[Detoxx]

80K pizzas a year.

In fairness to Detoxx though, he's not half the worthless faggot you are. He may be an obese gravel-throated loser, but at least he's good at P99 raiding. It's not much of an accomplishment, but since it is technically something he has you beat.

Awww! You're so sweet =D

[Nisse]

I'm not sure mad is the right word. I'm disappointed in society that we've allowed this safe space nonsense to go as far as it has. It should've been smothered at birth. A shockingly large percentage of people seem to be under the impression that the constitution has a "hate speech" exception. It does not. Nor does it define what would qualify as "hate speech". This is all made up PC bullshit and it sickens me to see people afraid of saying a word for fear of being banned. It is and always has been my firm belief that people should be allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

When did we decide that peoples precious fee-fee's are more important than freedom of speech? I sure as fuck never agreed to this.

Shut up faggot

[Pokesan]

I'm not sure mad is the right word. I'm disappointed in society that we've allowed this safe space nonsense to go as far as it has. It should've been smothered at birth. A shockingly large percentage of people seem to be under the impression that the constitution has a "hate speech" exception. It does not. Nor does it define what would qualify as "hate speech". This is all made up PC bullshit and it sickens me to see people afraid of saying a word for fear of being banned. It is and always has been my firm belief that people should be allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

When did we decide that peoples precious fee-fee's are more important than freedom of speech? I sure as fuck never agreed to this.

having read this i am embarrassed for both of us

[Phenyo]

some real selective moderation around here

[Andos]

having read this i am embarrassed for both of us

Congratulations you've won the grand prize of 50 cocks in your mouth. You have the option of sucking all 50 at once or one a month for 50 fucking months. Shout out to Jay Baruchel.

[Swish]

There sure are a lot of snitches in elf sim/FQ.

[arsenalpow]

I believe it's actually the casuals' strategy that failed. They wanted to turn P99 into some communist hell, it failed, so they are leaving to some SJW server where they can carry on being low beta cucks.

all in all, it ends well.

pras p99

This reads like a p99 RNF mad lib

[Papa]

I'm not sure mad is the right word. I'm disappointed in society that we've allowed this safe space nonsense to go as far as it has. It should've been smothered at birth. A shockingly large percentage of people seem to be under the impression that the constitution has a "hate speech" exception. It does not. Nor does it define what would qualify as "hate speech". This is all made up PC bullshit and it sickens me to see people afraid of saying a word for fear of being banned. It is and always has been my firm belief that people should be allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

When did we decide that peoples precious fee-fee's are more important than freedom of speech? I sure as fuck never agreed to this.

people are free to use hate speech but they need to nut up when called out on it lol

[Papa]

snowflakes hurt that other people point out that just because you can say a word doesn't mean you should

but my words! REEEEEEEEEE

[Papa]

triple post

could we get some bans please? wru report button

80K pizzas a year.

In fairness to Detoxx though, he's not half the worthless faggot you are. He may be an obese gravel-throated loser, but at least he's good at P99 raiding. It's not much of an accomplishment, but since it is technically something he has you beat.

Shut up faggot

[Robbintha Hood]

Sometimes I really wonder if some of you guys actually go outside...

[Spyder73]

I'm not sure mad is the right word. I'm disappointed in society that we've allowed this safe space nonsense to go as far as it has. It should've been smothered at birth. A shockingly large percentage of people seem to be under the impression that the constitution has a "hate speech" exception. It does not. Nor does it define what would qualify as "hate speech". This is all made up PC bullshit and it sickens me to see people afraid of saying a word for fear of being banned. It is and always has been my firm belief that people should be allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

When did we decide that peoples precious fee-fee's are more important than freedom of speech? I sure as fuck never agreed to this.

People who play on the server can say whatever they want - FGTs like you need to f#ck off back to phinny

[Bones]

Sometimes I really wonder if some of you guys actually go outside...

I went outside for whole entire minutes today

[Cecily]

Tried it last week. Made my eyes red and itchy and now I have a persistent cough.

[dafier]

Tried it last week. Made my eyes red and itchy and now I have a persistent cough.

Well, you don't rub poop in you eyes first, THEN go outside. :confused:

[Cecily]

Yes, I definitely did not do that.

[Bones]

I believe it's actually the casuals' strategy that failed. They wanted to turn P99 into some communist hell, it failed, so they are leaving to some SJW server where they can carry on being low beta cucks.

all in all, it ends well.

pras p99

career 24/7 everquesters calling casual gamers low beta cucks is some cute irony

[Lhancelot]

I'm not sure mad is the right word. I'm disappointed in society that we've allowed this safe space nonsense to go as far as it has. It should've been smothered at birth. A shockingly large percentage of people seem to be under the impression that the constitution has a "hate speech" exception. It does not. Nor does it define what would qualify as "hate speech". This is all made up PC bullshit and it sickens me to see people afraid of saying a word for fear of being banned. It is and always has been my firm belief that people should be allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want to.

When did we decide that peoples precious fee-fee's are more important than freedom of speech? I sure as fuck never agreed to this.

First of all, you may not agree to it, but I bet irl you abide by it.

Guarantee you don't use offensive words to people's faces.

Which only means you want to sit behind anonymity and spout whatever offensive words you can think of to people who you know cannot stop it on elf forums.

Cowardly, disrespectful, and a lot of other words come to mind.

Secondly, it's ok to enjoy freedom of speech but there are boundaries that should not be crossed.

If someone is greatly offended or hurt by certain words humans have for ages learned to not speak or write such words that may cause great anger, sadness, etc., out of respect for those who could be offended.

This isn't some new concept created by "PC police." Since civilization began, these are simple rules of communication that humans have followed...

[Papa]

ok civilization police

[Nisse]

could we get some bans please? wru report button

Shut up faggot

[Papa]

2 edgy 4 me

[Cecily]

https://youtu.be/crX4E-dul4Y?t=5m25s

[Pokesan]

one time i got kicked out of arbys for swearing

[Pokesan]

Were you permanently banned from all Arby's locations with no warning and no prior incidents?

no i sued them and the judge laughed at me

[kotton05]

Why do people constantly insist that you cant do both? Ive been in AM since the start and just bought a house so obviously its not impossible. Its just the lies you tell yourself in order to justify your entitlement.

You had mobs handed to you for a month and "beat the game", then why are you still so salty about the raid scene?

It's a blanket statement. Like all black men can jump. All a/a must be no life obama batphoning hero's. Obviously it's not the case lol.

[maskedmelonpai]

no i sued them and the judge laughed at me

that super insensitive of him :c

/comfort

[Pokesan]

that super insensitive of him :c

/comfort

my right to beef&cheddar was violated. it was a dark day for the republic.

[Zekayy]

List of things we've learned we need to compete with a/a (let me know if I miss any):

1. At least one person to leave a computer on all day
2. Multiple people to look at a camera pointed at #1
3. Batphone to distribute info gleaned from #2
4. Voice chat and a mic
5. Your own private server where you can practice
6. Enough people to staff a 16 hour racing window where even if all things are equal the chance of your guild winning is 1/3 or 1/4.

You do this week after week after week after week etc. Do you know what an opportunity cost is?

None of this is true, it used to be true but now hell I just log in and kill a few dragons log off dont even track or do anything much anymore. you can still be casual and be in aftermath or awakened its not like tmo or rampage or forsaken where you had to track 10+ hours a day, you can just log in and get a few kills or even group if you want too no one is making you really do anything thats what guilds like csg omni etc dont understand they talk shit but real life comes first hell as detoxx said he makes money and works alot hes not on every raid, I know im not, sure we have batphones but so do the other guilds. name one guild besides like blackheart pirates or kittens or what not that doesnt have a batphone? and number 5 isnt true at all you really dont know shit. we arent the only guild to have a test server either I know atleast 4 that do.

[kempoguy80]

None of this is true, it used to be true but now hell I just log in and kill a few dragons log off dont even track or do anything much anymore. you can still be casual and be in aftermath or awakened its not like tmo or rampage or forsaken where you had to track 10+ hours a day, you can just log in and get a few kills or even group if you want too no one is making you really do anything thats what guilds like csg omni etc dont understand they talk shit but real life comes first hell as detoxx said he makes money and works alot hes not on every raid, I know im not, sure we have batphones but so do the other guilds. name one guild besides like blackheart pirates or kittens or what not that doesnt have a batphone? and number 5 isnt true at all you really dont know shit. we arent the only guild to have a test server either I know atleast 4 that do.

We haz CATphone!

[Danth]

Which is larger: The population of casual driven off by A/A, or the number of A/A's own members who've burnt out and quit?

Hey Zekay, still hanging out in DAOC?

Danth

[Tankdan]

I love the "I can make a living and raid 50 hours a week" argument.

I can't help but think back to the multiple overnight batphones, the constant Lord Vyemm's spawning at 10A.M. on a Tuesday morning with both guilds getting 70+ people online for hours straight during that time.

But yes the raiders on P99 all pull in 6 figures each and maintain 80% raid attendance, totally. It's not filled with delivery boys, Dominos cooks, mass unemployment, and majority underemployment, nope not at all.

[Maner]

I love the "I can make a living and raid 50 hours a week" argument.

I can't help but think back to the multiple overnight batphones, the constant Lord Vyemm's spawning at 10A.M. on a Tuesday morning with both guilds getting 70+ people online for hours straight during that time.

But yes the raiders on P99 all pull in 6 figures each and maintain 80% raid attendance, totally. It's not filled with delivery boys, Dominos cooks, mass unemployment, and majority underemployment, nope not at all.

Just like in real life there are people who make 6 figure and some who are unemployed. The problem is when you generalize all into one group or another. There are FAR FAR more casual players in A/A than there are hardcore players. The thing with batphones is you can actually set times when they wont happen, it in the twitter settings. I don't get woken up for a batphone unless i let it alert me ahead of time.

Its only 10AM in one place, there are people playing on both coasts and in between, on different continents in different countries. Its just another example of your entitlement to think everything revolves around your time zone.

Who takes hours to kill a dragon in ToV, even vymme, since it has a 1 hour lock out?

[Cecily]

Yeah generalizations are generally bad to use because there's exceptions which you can use as a counterargument, but true at all is true enough for a stereotype. Which in this case, much like saying all of Maner's posts are less interesting than a random pile of dogshit, is pretty dead on.

[Maner]

Yeah generalizations are generally bad to use because there's exceptions which you can use as a counterargument, but true at all is true enough for a stereotype. Which in this case, much like saying all of Maner's posts are less interesting than a random pile of dogshit, is pretty dead on.

Just because i routinely prove you wrong and uninformed on a regular basis here, doesn't detract from what i have said...

Rustle kills less with more no matter how many counterarguments you try to make

[Cecily]

http://i.imgur.com/RaKRzwx.jpg

[Bruno]

Just because i routinely prove you wrong and uninformed on a regular basis here, doesn't detract from what i have said...

Rustle kills less with more no matter how many counterarguments you try to make

To be fair, Dannyl has raided at top level, and is very familiar with the type of individuals needed to achieve world-class p99 status. He's also the only one I've seen post a pay stub.

[Bones]

I love the "I can make a living and raid 50 hours a week" argument.

I can't help but think back to the multiple overnight batphones, the constant Lord Vyemm's spawning at 10A.M. on a Tuesday morning with both guilds getting 70+ people online for hours straight during that time.

But yes the raiders on P99 all pull in 6 figures each and maintain 80% raid attendance, totally. It's not filled with delivery boys, Dominos cooks, mass unemployment, and majority underemployment, nope not at all.

lol

But seriously, of course there are totally normal casual players in A/A but they only join those guilds because they know its the only way to get loot and progress their characters. The casuals in A/A are not innocent, they are guilty by association and this is why they get generalized with the rest of the losers

[Ella`Ella]

No one who raided here from the start of velious that continues to raid here is sound of mind.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over expecting a different outcome. As nothing here ever changes...

[Maner]

No one who raided here from the start of velious that continues to raid here is sound of mind.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over expecting a different outcome. As nothing here ever changes...

That doesn't really fit the definition here though. A/A get different mobs each week while doing the same thing. Meaning the expectation of a different outcome is always there and actually happens. It would be closer to say that the casual guilds exhibit insainity. They continually complain that they aren't given free pixels and yet it doesn't change anything.

[Bones]

"free pixels"

still a difficult concept for maner to comprehend

[Bubbles]

"free pixels"

still a difficult concept for maner to comprehend

Maner logic is like 'It isn't a true meat eating experience if you didn't fuck the mother of the cow that made the steak."

[Mythanor]

Maner logic is like 'It isn't a true meat eating experience if you didn't fuck the mother of the cow that made the steak."

qft

[Nisse]

But seriously, of course there are totally normal casual players in A/A but they only join those guilds because they know its the way to get loot and progress their characters. The casuals in A/A are not stupid, they are winning by association and this is why they get kills with the rest of their friends

Fixed

[Maner]

Maner logic is like 'It isn't a true meat eating experience if you didn't fuck the mother of the cow that made the steak."

I think there is a tommy boy quote that works for this

[Maner]

"free pixels"

still a difficult concept for maner to comprehend

They are free because they take no effort to get if you don't have competition.

[Bones]

They are free because they take no effort to get if you don't have competition.

completely false. The only real difference is the feeling of being rushed and mobilizing faster which requires more "effort" but certainly doesn't mean that no competition at all = completely effortless and free pixels. Even if that were true, which it isn't, aftermath gets more free pixels than anybody when they batphone shit and kill it at 5 am with no competition at all so don't try to play that garbage theory bro

the best part is CSG and Rustle are giving A/A more competition than they do each other anymore because A/A couldn't come to an agreement to not petitionquest each other and not cheat on FTE races. You guys are pathetic at best

[derpcake]

Some people think that wasting their lives staring at walls for FTE equals skill.

TMO came to red with that attitude, we all know what happened.

Dem blue skills.

[derpcake]

I wish a GM would copy A/A to red so they'd all be back to blue in a week :)

Vulak is up most of the time!

[Cecily]

I mean stabbing a knife in between all your fingers really fast takes skill too, but that doesn't mean it's fun. Hmm.. A better analogy for EQ PvP would be stabbing all your fingers with a knife really fast.

[derpcake]

I mean stabbing a knife in between all your fingers really fast takes skill too, but that doesn't mean it's fun. Hmm.. A better analogy for EQ PvP would be stabbing all your fingers with a knife really fast.

that's bullshit and u know it

well wtf do i know about the thought pattern of people that cut off their dick, i'm trying though

[Cecily]

So do you enjoy running up to someone's hit box, toggling auto attack, and running off? Seriously? Jousting is absolutely pants-on-head retarded and always will be. That's not simply not engaging PvP entertainment.

[Bruno]

So do you enjoy running up to someone's hit box, toggling auto attack, and running off? Seriously? Jousting is absolutely pants-on-head retarded and always will be. That's not simply not engaging PvP entertainment.

Turning off attack and then turning it back on at the proper moment is complicated for some folks. We need to positively reinforce these folks to Everquest a better experience for all.

[Maner]

completely false. The only real difference is the feeling of being rushed and mobilizing faster which requires more "effort" but certainly doesn't mean that no competition at all = completely effortless and free pixels. Even if that were true, which it isn't, aftermath gets more free pixels than anybody when they batphone shit and kill it at 5 am with no competition at all so don't try to play that garbage theory bro

the best part is CSG and Rustle are giving A/A more competition than they do each other anymore because A/A couldn't come to an agreement to not petitionquest each other and not cheat on FTE races. You guys are pathetic at best

Actually, CSG and rustle aren't currently giving anyone any competition... at least not in ToV. If A/A cheated FTE races then those competing CSG and rustle players would be petitioning it... 5AM EST is what time in Euro land? Are you suggesting that a group of guilds who can get 100+ to a raid cant get 30 people over the course of an hour, during their almost prime time hours?

What you're speaking of is the 1 hour lock out mechanic. Once you "race" for FTE and secure it you don't have to compete on the pulls. I would LOVE for them to bring back the instant FTE rules, so many people who left due to these stupid 1 hour lock outs would come back. Not to mention how much harder it would be to instant pull with the new leashing mechanics.

Its been shown that if you give any guild, even guilds like FoH days to kill something it will get killed. The problem is that even on live you never had days to kill something. Velious in era was a race and 90%+ of servers where people "remember" a rotation happened during Luclin or later.

[Rang]

maner be all like

http://i.imgur.com/yyA7spp.gif

[Maner]

31 posts in almost 3 years. keep to the shadows

[Bones]

meh cant take your posts seriously :( multi paragraph diatribe and completely avoided the main point of the whole "free pixels" thing but anyways 5 am est is like 11am-1pm for most of europe which is not even close to prime time

aftermath needs a new designated forum cheerleadercuck to white-knight them anytime anything even remotely negative is said about their guild that can actually makes sense

[Fifield]

meh cant take your posts seriously

i dont read half of the shit any of you guys post, its like you just want to argue all day. its stupid

[Maner]

meh cant take your posts seriously :( multi paragraph diatribe and completely avoided the main point of the whole "free pixels" thing but anyways 5 am est is like 11am-1pm for most of europe which is not even close to prime time

aftermath needs a new designated forum cheerleadercuck to white-knight them anytime anything even remotely negative is said about their guild that can actually makes sense

Without any form of competition, ie a rotation, those pixels are free. They require no effort except to show up, and beating the actual monsters in Everquest was NEVER the challenge you seem to think it was. The hardest part 18 years ago was finding the monsters up in order to kill them. I remember multiple nights where there were 4 guilds waiting for Aary to spawn in ToV on Xev for example. When wiping means that you just have to rez up and get ready to try again, its pointless.

Does that help? it is the same thing i have said multiple times but you clearly just lack the comprehension to understand it. The only thing that makes raiding a challenge is competing with other players.

The moment you implement a rotation you will have the top guilds all split because you no longer need a roster that can field 30-60 people at the drop of a hat. You will have an extra long rotation that would see the actual population average drop because why play 4 weeks a month when you only need to play 1 week ever 2 months. If that doesn't happen then you will have the current guilds who team up asking for their own spots in the rotation as well, as we have seen from CSG in the past.

[Bones]

you clearly just lack the comprehension to understand it

I understand it just fine. You are just wrong. Every target still requires forming a raid and killing it. It still requires setting up balanced groups and CH rotations and having the proper resist gear, having a tank that knows how to position the boss, having dps that have half a brain and know how to not pull aggro, etc etc etc.

Ill also add I never once mentioned a rotation nor advocated it.


That said, if you raid on this server just to create artificial barriers to other guilds because you think the content is too easy on its own than you are a fuckin tool.

Insulting all the non A/A guilds by insinuating that they didn't deserve any of the kills they obtained during A/A's double suspension and that it was all "free welfare pixels" then making hypocritical claims like how much you love competition and that's what makes the game fun for you then A/A turns around and starts rotating stuff like Trakanon and CT/draco and pretty much almost every target that isn't based off the foot race 1-hour FTE lockout crap specifically to avoid competition just shows how full of shit you are.

[Maner]

I understand it just fine. You are just wrong. Every target still requires forming a raid and killing it. It still requires setting up balanced groups and CH rotations and having the proper resist gear, having a tank that knows how to position the boss, having dps that have half a brain and know how to not pull aggro, etc etc etc.

Ill also add I never once mentioned a rotation nor advocated it.


That said, if you raid on this server just to create artificial barriers to other guilds because you think the content is too easy on its own than you are a fuckin tool.

Insulting all the non A/A guilds by insinuating that they didn't deserve any of the kills they obtained during A/A's double suspension and that it was all "free welfare pixels" then making hypocritical claims like how much you love competition and that's what makes the game fun for you then A/A turns around and starts rotating stuff like Trakanon and CT/draco and pretty much almost every target that isn't based off the foot race 1-hour FTE lockout crap specifically to avoid competition just shows how full of shit you are.

resist gear? keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge about the current raid scene while at the same time trying to talk about how much you think you know about it. There are maybe 5 fights in the game right now that you actually need resist gear for, and then its only MR. You can buy a full set of MR gear for under 5k plat, so difficult. there is no forming a raid on P99, there is now raid window. You just form groups and even then people don't even need to be in a group for the most part. You are just demonstrating your lack of knowledge when you talk about forming balanced groups in regards to classic EQ raid content. Setting up a CH chain? because having a macro where you substitute names next to numbers is hard? counting 1-6 is hard as well i guess?

I didn't say they didn't deserve them, i said that if you think killing a monster in classic Everquest is a challenge then you are mistaking. As proven by the fact that guilds who are not raiding guilds, and which have never stepped into the ToV competitive scene killed some dragons. Problem is it took them 4 days to do it, and none of them even attempted to dungeon crawl, which was the focus of their original complaints.

A/A is not rotating trak, and doesn't rotate draco... there are a total of 3-4 targets that A/A don't race each other for right now due to how many petitions stemmed from just those encounters. more misinformation from those a self proclaimed know it all. Its only hypocrisy to the uninformed, like you. What is funny though is even though its apparently common knowledge that A/A are rotating some things, these other guilds like CSG or rustle haven't even tried to capitalize on the fact that the A/A response will be slower than usual.

[FatMice]

Thank you Maner for clearing the air on this important topic.

[Llodd]

Csg did try to craw... ahh feck it, replying to Maner is a fools errand

[Phenyo]

Csg did try to craw... ahh feck it, replying to Maner is a fools errand

[Spyder73]

EQ raiding is not meant to be competitive nor was it ever exceptionally hard. It got progressively harder in later expansions but it's still just an MMO. Not a whole ton of skill required by any stretch. Learn the boss mechanics and push the buttons at the right time and win. All these dickwaving morans bragging about their P99 FTE "competition" (lol) need to fuck off to an actual competitive game imo. Taking a noncompetitive relatively easy MMO and imposing artificial competition/difficulty onto it does not mean that's how its supposed to be. You thickheaded dipshit.

When I was a kid there was a playground at a nearby park that had a big plastic tic-tac-toe game on it. You could spin these plastic cubes with X and O's on them and play tic tac toe. I think we can all agree tic tac toe is not a hard game and wasn't meant to be a serious competitive game. What you (and other idiots like you) are doing with P99 it seems to me would be similar to implementing rules for that tic tac toe game to make it "hard" and "competitive". Imagine the tic tac toe game was only playable once per week and it unlocked randomly within a 16 hour window and only 1 match was allowed to be played but 10-15 groups of kids all wanted to play every week. Now imagine some of the shittier kids decided they deserve to play more than all the other kids so they set up a text message alert that will let them know when the game is ready at any time of day or night. Eventually everyone was doing that and the shitty kids decided to escalate to "win" the game and set up surveillance cameras to monitor when the game unlocked so they could rush to be the first kids to play. Eventually nobody gave a shit about the actual game anymore and the game became about beating the other kids to be able to play first and/or prevent other kids from enjoying the game.

I could go on and on with this analogy but I think you get my point. Do you not see how retarded that would be and how retarded P99 raiding has become? All this bullshit that goes on in the P99 raiding world is never how it was intended to be nor is it healthy or normal by any sane persons standards. Get help. It's not too late.

Get off your soap box, you sound literally retarded because you obviously have no idea about P99 raiding. If you knew what you were talking about I might argue with you, but from reading your post you have no actual idea how raiding on P99 works right now. Just because BDA got cucked into obscurity doesn't mean the raid scene is broken. Is there room for more than 2-4 guilds? No there isn't. You cant be in a guild and get beat week after week and have fun. With A/A and to a lesser Rustle, every guild is getting at least some kills ever week and it makes things work.

You do realize that 99% of the members of Aftermath/Awakened/Rustled are not staring at a share screen tracking right?

Is there room for tons of guilds - no - is it manageable with 2-3 guilds - absolutely.

If you want to raid join one of the raiding guilds - sorry if this crushes your sense of self or some bull sh!t self entitlement you have that makes you think "HEY ME AND MY 30 RETARD GUILDMATES DESERVE DRAGONS ALL TO OURSELVES". Well f#ck you - Awakened and Aftermath are both very easy to join and are not "exclusive" or "elite" in their recruitment practices. If you want to raid you are welcome to either guild.

The raid scene is the best it has been in a long time if you are a part of Awakened or Aftermath - The super neck beards are geared out now, the casual scum has stopped interfering, and the guild leaders in each guild have the game down to a science where we waste very little time. Even sh!t lords like myself are getting nice ToV loot.

TLDR - Stop your b!tching and just join one of the 2 server raiding guilds if you want dragons. There isn't room for 10 guilds in ToV and there never will be.

[Spyder73]

Oh and on Aftermath we have a 10% raid attendance requirement to get loot. 10%.... That's 2 raids per week and a total of about 30 minutes of play time.

[JurisDictum]

Oh and on Aftermath we have a 10% raid attendance requirement to get loot. 10%.... That's 2 raids per week and a total of about 30 minutes of play time.

Yea -- but say your a rogue that wants to --you know -- up their damage. Welp, now you have to compete for that twice a year drop for the Myrokar Dagger (the only strict upgrade). there's about 4-5 Rogues with a good amount of DKP most the time...I think like 1 has it. You know what great about all this....it used to drop more in classic!! lol! They actually lowered the drop rate on "classic" p99.

Anyway, maybe if you had to clear a dungeon 2-3 times a week it would be worth sticking around for. But the concept of staring at walls at least 1-2 days a week for years? lol...

That's not a playstyle it's a mental illness.

[Victorio]

I didn't say they didn't deserve them, i said that if you think killing a monster in classic Everquest is a challenge then you are mistaking. As proven by the fact that guilds who are not raiding guilds, and which have never stepped into the ToV competitive scene killed some dragons. Problem is it took them 4 days to do it, and none of them even attempted to dungeon crawl, which was the focus of their original complaints.

A/A is not rotating trak, and doesn't rotate draco... there are a total of 3-4 targets that A/A don't race each other for right now due to how many petitions stemmed from just those encounters. more misinformation from those a self proclaimed know it all. Its only hypocrisy to the uninformed, like you. What is funny though is even though its apparently common knowledge that A/A are rotating some things, these other guilds like CSG or rustle haven't even tried to capitalize on the fact that the A/A response will be slower than usual.
The skill involved in killing dragons isn't related to any one player pushing a button, it's related to the coordination between the 50 players pushing buttons. With enough setup time this becomes trivial for most mobs, as evidenced by the casual guilds killing mobs after 4 days+.

The skill required for coordination becomes greater when you have to insta-pull mobs with low player numbers as people are logging in. It would get even greater if the insta-pull made a comeback with the new leash mechanics.

Yes, the fact that the casuals haven't even contested the rotated mobs when they're left up for hours shows how bad an idea implementing this stupid lockout mechanic was.

[kotton05]

Maners quote from above is wrong. How did I get my primal? Lol

[xKoopa]

Oh and on Aftermath we have a 10% raid attendance requirement to get loot. 10%.... That's 2 raids per week and a total of about 30 minutes of play time.

It got lowered to 10%? Thats 30 day right?

I may have to pop in and collect some pixels..

[Spyder73]

Yea -- but say your a rogue that wants to --you know -- up their damage. Welp, now you have to compete for that twice a year drop for the Myrokar Dagger (the only strict upgrade). there's about 4-5 Rogues with a good amount of DKP most the time...I think like 1 has it. You know what great about all this....it used to drop more in classic!! lol! They actually lowered the drop rate on "classic" p99.

Anyway, maybe if you had to clear a dungeon 2-3 times a week it would be worth sticking around for. But the concept of staring at walls at least 1-2 days a week for years? lol...

That's not a playstyle it's a mental illness.

Anyone who plays EQ (p99 specifically) suffers from some level of brain malfunction. Its a deep time sink that only the afflicted can really appreciate. Calssic EQ was fun because you could not realistically get certain items and that made getting them feel more special - P99 = classic. QQ more

[Bones]

hehe finally beat it down to the typical "you dont know what you are talking about or how the raid scene works" bullshit rhetoric which is pretty standard from the aftermath forum cheerleaders which incidentally seems to be the same 2-3 people always

Anybody who has raided here more than a month know how it works

[Pokesan]

Oh and on Aftermath we have a 10% raid attendance requirement to get loot. 10%.... That's 2 raids per week and a total of about 30 minutes of play time.

what if i dont approve of AM leadership personal life

[Spyder73]

what if i dont approve of AM leadership personal life

Very subtle yet understood - well played

[Freakish]

Before the a/a agreement on CT we never saw a golem kill on a respawn. Since they don't contest each other and draco is more important, it's real easy to snipe golems.

[Pokesan]

Very subtle yet understood - well played

do whats right or im OFFICIALLY declaring you an apostate of bristlebane.

[Maner]

Yea -- but say your a rogue that wants to --you know -- up their damage. Welp, now you have to compete for that twice a year drop for the Myrokar Dagger (the only strict upgrade). there's about 4-5 Rogues with a good amount of DKP most the time...I think like 1 has it. You know what great about all this....it used to drop more in classic!! lol! They actually lowered the drop rate on "classic" p99.

Anyway, maybe if you had to clear a dungeon 2-3 times a week it would be worth sticking around for. But the concept of staring at walls at least 1-2 days a week for years? lol...

That's not a playstyle it's a mental illness.

Again, 10% raid attendance means you don't have to stare at a wall for 1-2 days a week. Depending on your class you may just have to log in and do it for 20minutes every week to make the attendance minimum.

The RNG involved in drops has always been part of EQ. Not sure what bitching about that has to do with this servers raid scene.

Maners quote from above is wrong. How did I get my primal? Lol

You waited until someone was suspended.. what does a ST primal have to do with anything though? 95% of the ST keys in rustle were gotten without rustle.. How many of the 3 golems does rustle compete for again?

[FatMice]

Maner what button do you use for autoattack?

[Mead]

Stockholm Syndrome is a real thing. P99 raiding is fucked it always has been and continues to be to this day. Will likely remain fucked forever unless staff has a change of heart and decides to make some real changes. I lol'd real hard when you tried to justify P99 raiding as being okay cause "You can just join one of the 2 guilds full of cancer if you want to get anything ever. Stop crying newbs"

I wish you could hear yourself and listen to the argument you just made from a healthy persons brain

:)

[Maner]

Maner what button do you use for autoattack?

1

[Detoxx]

Yea -- but say your a rogue that wants to --you know -- up their damage. Welp, now you have to compete for that twice a year drop for the Myrokar Dagger (the only strict upgrade). there's about 4-5 Rogues with a good amount of DKP most the time...I think like 1 has it. You know what great about all this....it used to drop more in classic!! lol! They actually lowered the drop rate on "classic" p99.

Anyway, maybe if you had to clear a dungeon 2-3 times a week it would be worth sticking around for. But the concept of staring at walls at least 1-2 days a week for years? lol...

That's not a playstyle it's a mental illness.

Claw of Lighting is the real rogue upgrade. Not shit Vulak dagger

[Cecily]

Bid 35 Claw of Lighting.

[Swish]

Never even seen one, does it look better than standard claw graphics?

[snots]

I believe it's actually the casuals' strategy that failed. They wanted to turn P99 into some communist hell, it failed, so they are leaving to some SJW server where they can carry on being low beta cucks.

all in all, it ends well.

pras p99

lol Vicere so woke. I love you. Sorry for real about your new president :/

- hagz

[maskedmelonpai]

Again, 10% raid attendance means you don't have to stare at a wall for 1-2 days a week. Depending on your class you may just have to log in and do it for 20minutes every week to make the attendance minimum.

The RNG involved in drops has always been part of EQ. Not sure what bitching about that has to do with this servers raid scene.



You waited until someone was suspended.. what does a ST primal have to do with anything though? 95% of the ST keys in rustle were gotten without rustle.. How many of the 3 golems does rustle compete for again?

what guilds have a 10% req for loot?

[Freakish]

Bid 35 Claw of Lighting.

Last call. Grats Cecily.

[Triiz]

I tried my hand at rotating with the casuals
.....
It was at this point I decided to no longer be kind to the casuals as they have extreme short term memory. They did this to themselves, unfortunately.


No one in A/A cares that you aren't getting pixels. In fact after the last suspension wave the attitude is to stop letting the casual guilds get anything even remotely of value.

Gee, what changed since those posts were made a month ago? Those spread out windows sure took a toll a quick.

To reiterate, burn it to the ground!

[Tuljin]

Agnarr is worth paying for

[Maner]

Gee, what changed since those posts were made a month ago? Those spread out windows sure took a toll a quick.

To reiterate, burn it to the ground!

Why is offering kills to people so offensive to you? A/A still don't care, they aren't banking on this agreement being accepted. However from a casual standpoint, would you rather continue killing nothing or actually kill something? A/A can't realign the windows themselves, something that would benefit everyone unless you're too stupid to see it.