Sky - Overseer of Air

[Ruppet]

Can anyone clarify to me what the rules are, if any still apply, regarding OOA? I understand that most guilds leave them up given the way the spawning works.

This post is probably better suited in the Raid section, but don't have access to post there.

[Teeroyoyort]

I heard they all depopped recently because server restart. Not because anyone killed them.

[Ruppet]

So what I can take away is... essentially, it isn't a big deal if someone kills the OOAs... but try to leave them up. Tyty!

[Swish]

So what I can take away is... essentially, it isn't a big deal if someone kills the OOAs... but try to leave them up. Tyty!

So the burning question, are you leaving them up? :)

[dennardscott86]

I will kill them if I can, maybe it will stop people from taking sky on our Thursday night.

[Pan]

They're the geese that lay the Noble eggs.

We're not killing them. Nor do I think it's a good idea.

[Swish]

I will kill them if I can, maybe it will stop people from taking sky on our Thursday night.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind :(

[Baler]

With velious out the stuff they drop isn't worth killing them.

[Ruppet]

Nah, Clue is not.... I knew of the existence of such an agreement from before, but wanted to clarify whether it was still in place, etc.

Now, should it arise in the future, I am better prepared!

[Expediency]

Most guilds have agreed to leave them up because it spawns more mobs for everyone in the long run that way. However an alliance raid of Blackheart Pirates, SOTS, and Homeland Security, lead by Azure Guard kills some of them on Saturdays.

Azure Gaurd goes to sky tuesday night and does not kill ooas. Nobody should kill ooas it hurts everyone

[Expediency]

I will kill them if I can, maybe it will stop people from taking sky on our Thursday night.

The sky rotation does not seem to be very repected at the moment. Noble is ffa the rest is supposed to be rotated. Ive heard several guilds complaining about their slot not being respected. Some people need to be called out

[Samoht]

The sky rotation does not seem to be very repected at the moment. Noble is ffa the rest is supposed to be rotated. Ive heard several guilds complaining about their slot not being respected. Some people need to be called out

You mean like Azure Guard and Rustle going up on other peoples' nights and clearing Island 1 so that they can get to 1.5 for nobles?

Nobody should be expected to respect OoAs if that means people like AG and Rustle are going to stomp all over smaller guilds to get the nobles because the smaller guilds were courteous enough to leave the OoAs up.

You're a Velious-class raiding guild. Buy your keys.

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/b38RVmF.gif

[Expediency]

You should talk to your AG member who is leading the Saturday raids then if that's your guilds point of view.

AG does not raid sky on Saturdays unless we go up for one mob and that would be Noble. If some members of our Guild are teleporting up there and killing oos they are doing it under the table. We are not in a raiding alliance with the Hydra people who go up on Saturday nights

[Samoht]

We are not in a raiding alliance with the Hydra people who go up on Saturday nights

As demonstrated by AG disrupting their sky night one day last month.

[Pan]

I think it's pretty poor form to kill 1 for Noble/Gwan.

Buy keys. Don't bugger up others' sky days.

Just my .02.

[pogs4ever]

AG came up during our raid to kill noble once as we were trying to lap back to 1. would recommend killing OOAs if you are capable.

if you cant have them pixels, nobody should.

[kotton05]

You mean like Azure Guard and Rustle going up on other peoples' nights and clearing Island 1 so that they can get to 1.5 for nobles?

Nobody should be expected to respect OoAs if that means people like AG and Rustle are going to stomp all over smaller guilds to get the nobles because the smaller guilds were courteous enough to leave the OoAs up.

You're a Velious-class raiding guild. Buy your keys.

We do and we corpse them:)

Without proof I'm just gonna assume you're rustled. Lots of people do monk epics and clear isle 1 doesn't mean it's Ag or Rustle. I can't think of a time we cleared 1 for 1.5 keys. It's always the same 10 people with camped out toons or corpsed keys.

On another note the corpse poofing bug time recently was when the sever had some sort of soft reset. So it wasn't anyone in particular this time although I heard of the hydra killing all the ooa's recently.

[Expediency]

AG came up during our raid to kill noble once as we were trying to lap back to 1. would recommend killing OOAs if you are capable.

if you cant have them pixels, nobody should.

Noble is ffa and that is widely known. We have also had ours sniped while in sky. We supported "your day/your noble" arrangement whie it lasted. If blowing up the non-aggression pact on Ooa is your way of dealing with the problem you can deal with the consequences. I personally will not have any part of killing them under the current agreement

Edit: merkk you should know better than to argue with alarti/samolht. Put them on ignore like other civilized prople; im convinced they are bots

[Samoht]

Without proof I'm just gonna assume you're rustled.

Hey, great come back! That was totally unexpected! Way to demonstrate unscrupulous behavior and then try to turn the shame onto the victims! Bravo!

I can't think of a time we cleared 1 for 1.5 keys.

I can: 5/6/2017

[Freakish]

It's my impression noble is FFA due to the congestion of guilds. Funny enough the last few weeks I've gone up there's been multiple nights where guilds don't even show up to their sky slot. It's just reserved in case they want to do it in the future.

[Samoht]

Edit: merkk you should know better than to argue with alarti/samolht. Put them on ignore like other civilized prople; im convinced they are bots

Yeah, how convenient that you ignore me when I'm calling you out on your guild abusing the sky rotation. And you call me uncivilized.

People like you and Merkk are exactly what's wrong with this server.

[pogs4ever]

Expediency. I was joking mostly. If you want to kill a noble, log your sky wizbot up there and get the timer. Use the timer to get the pixels. No variance. EZPZ. Don't kill OoAS.

[Kesselring]

We do and we corpse them:)

Without proof I'm just gonna assume you're rustled. Lots of people do monk epics and clear isle 1 doesn't mean it's Ag or Rustle. I can't think of a time we cleared 1 for 1.5 keys. It's always the same 10 people with camped out toons or corpsed keys.

On another note the corpse poofing bug time recently was when the sever had some sort of soft reset. So it wasn't anyone in particular this time although I heard of the hydra killing all the ooa's recently.

It definitely happened but I think AG gave plat for people who needed keys to the raid and all was settled, never heard about the rustle thing tbh.

[Jimjam]

Rustle made a mix up, apparently they thought isle 1 was a 3 hour respawn, not 6 so end up wiping isle 1 just a couple of hours before the AG raid they were warned about.

AG did something similar on the way up to noble too. They paid the other raid for their keys to isle 2 as compensation.

[Maner]

The sky rotation does not seem to be very repected at the moment. Noble is ffa the rest is supposed to be rotated. Ive heard several guilds complaining about their slot not being respected. Some people need to be called out

There are more guilds doing sky right now than there are rotation slots for. Why should it be respected ic it doesn't actually work?

If a guild isn't going to even use their spot every week, then why do they have one? Turn those slots ffa and keep rotation slots for people who actually go each week.

[beargryllz]

It's a PVE server, dog

We *kill* monsters here. We kill them and take their loot.

Problem?

[Detoxx]

Lol....Nobles...

[Mythanor]

Lol....Nobles...

Lol....staying classy....

[Samoht]

Detoxx actually makes a valid point. Velious-class raid guilds should not be crying over nobles . Velioius-class raid guilds should not be disrupting casual guilds to get acquire nobles.

[Just facts]

It's my impression noble is FFA due to the congestion of guilds. Funny enough the last few weeks I've gone up there's been multiple nights where guilds don't even show up to their sky slot. It's just reserved in case they want to do it in the future.

\This x1000

Been going up alot lately to do the monk fight for different people and one thing that is the same every time is that no guild is doing sky.
Guilds reserve slots just so that they can claim it's their day.
Only time anyone goes up it's to farm a specific drop and leave.
And since they don't want to corps keys they qq if one is cleared.

[Samoht]

And since they don't want to corps keys they qq if one is cleared.

This is a great example of victim blaming. Just facts.

[Nuggie]

It's a PVE server, dog

We *kill* monsters here. We kill them and take their loot.

Problem?

You seem unaware, or perhaps do not care, that more OOA's means more PVE mobs to kill for the server. Killing OOA's is short sighted.


Abut the sky rotation, I hear FoH's spot is open soon ;)

[Just facts]

This is a great example of victim blaming. Just facts.

Victims are all the guilds not on the so called sky schedule who think that the list is correct since velius was launched.
And for the record I do bring 540pp for each person in the group to pay for the 1.5 keys cause I can't stand the hypocrisy when people qq about one being cleared.

[Just facts]

Should just remove the schedule and have people go up and check if it's free like pog, hate , fear

[Samoht]

Victims are all the guilds not on the so called sky schedule who think that the list is correct since velius was launched.

So get clarification from the scheduled guilds instead of porting up whenever you feel like it and disrupting their clears. A little due diligence on your part can make you look like less of an asshole. Although in your case, it looks like it will take a lot more than normal.

[Samoht]

Should just remove the schedule and have people go up and check if it's free like pog, hate , fear

Can you please clarify which guild on P99 is capable of clearing sky but does not currently have a slot in the rotation?

[Mythanor]

Detoxx actually makes a valid point. Velious-class raid guilds should not be crying over nobles . Velioius-class raid guilds should not be disrupting casual guilds to get acquire nobles.

you ide-coded all that, from *lol ... nobles*.... damn, you're freaking good.

[Maner]

So get clarification from the scheduled guilds instead of porting up whenever you feel like it and disrupting their clears. A little due diligence on your part can make you look like less of an asshole. Although in your case, it looks like it will take a lot more than normal.

The problem is there are guilds who go once a month taking up weekly rotation slots. The actual rotation slots should only be held if you actually go to sky every week. Otherwise they should just be open slots

[Samoht]

The problem is there are guilds who go once a month taking up weekly rotation slots. The actual rotation slots should only be held if you actually go to sky every week. Otherwise they should just be open slots

You describe it as a problem, but I've already given you the solution. Requiring a guild to go every week to keep their slot is absurd. There will be circumstances beyond your control. There will be weeks off.

If you would like to go up on someone else's night, check in with them first. It isn't difficult. Why you wouldn't just wait until your own scheduled night is ridiculous. If you do not have a scheduled night, and you feel your guild deserves a slot in the rotation, work it out with the rest of the guilds on the list. But I have yet to see a guild actually named that needs to be worked into the list, and I'm tired of dealing with hypothetical guilds that don't actually exist as reasons to justify the behavior of AG and Rustle, both of which clearly have days on the schedule.

[Maner]

The guilds who go every week have a reason to. There is no point in holding a rotation slot if you aren't going to use it but once a month. Just set those slots to ffa and then you don't have to worry about people not on the rotation messing with other peoples days

[Samoht]

There is no point in holding a rotation slot if you aren't going to use it but once a month.

That's your opinion. It is also completely off topic to the point of this thread. Start your own thread.

This thread is about greedy guilds that are Velious-ready (represented so far by AG and Rustle) going up on the nights reserved for more casual guilds and clearing island 1, ultimately disrupting their scheduled raid nights that they are running every week and not leaving sky vacant. So in retaliation, the casual guilds are killing OoAs.

They have no shot at nobles. They don't go up on off-nights scheduled for other guilds, and they don't participate in clicking on empty air in order to get FTE, so they don't have anything to lose.

I'm okay with this. I hope it continues as long as nobles are a luxury reserved only for people like Rustle and AG.

[pogs4ever]

They have no shot at nobles. They don't go up on off-nights scheduled for other guilds, and they don't participate in clicking on empty air in order to get FTE, so they don't have anything to lose.

I'm okay with this. I hope it continues as long as nobles are a luxury reserved only for people like Rustle and AG.

I kind of laughed when I found out hydra was killing ooa, good on em. The funny part is the casual guilds are usually doing the full clears and playing as intended (aside from corpsing, plz remove this for keys and lore items Devs) and can lap back to 1 easily if a noble pops. They aren't doing 2-7 corpse drags. Really wouldn't be a problem if noble was ffa if no guild is up there, but if someone is raiding let em have em.

I mean sky is deserted most nights anyways.

[Sadiki]

The amount of misinformation and lies being spread here is astounding. I'm surprised this thread is allowed to exist outside of RnF.

[Samoht]

The amount of misinformation and lies being spread here is astounding. I'm surprised this thread is allowed to exist outside of RnF.

Do you have any examples of these alleged lies?

[Sancta]

You mean like Azure Guard
You're a Velious-class raiding guild. Buy your keys.

This thread is about greedy guilds that are Velious-ready (represented so far by AG

Just want to chime and say that I think you're grossly misrepresenting Azure Guard here. Wouldn't say they are a "Velious-class raiding guild" at all.

Can you please clarify which guild on P99 is capable of clearing sky but does not currently have a slot in the rotation?

A/A, their slots were taken when they stopped going up, makes sense tho, they stopped going up.

[Danth]

So in retaliation, the casual guilds are killing OoAs.

I'll chime in here: I know quite a few of the particulars involved here (including the guy who started the thread) and I don't think any lower-end entity is killing Overseers just to mess with other guilds. In my experience the lower-end guilds on P99 pay very little attention to the politics that exist amongst the high-end guilds. They do, however, know that their members generally need items and there are only so many available targets.

Clearing isle 1 prior to another guild going up sucks, but I don't really blame anyone specifically. It only sucks because of the zone's inherently poor design. Be polite and buy keys if you aren't there for a traditional zone raid. Likewise, if you go up, bring platinum so you can progress even if isle 1 happens to be clear. Plan ahead and fewer problems occur.


Danth

[Samoht]

Just want to chime and say that I think you're grossly misrepresenting Azure Guard here. Wouldn't say they are a "Velious-class raiding guild" at all.

The landing page on their guild (http://azureguard.guildlaunch.com/) site clearly shows them killing Yelinak, Ring War, AoW, Vulak, and Tunare. They are clearly a Velious-class raiding guild.

A/A, their slots were taken when they stopped going up, makes sense tho, they stopped going up.

Allow me to re-phrase: Can you please clarify which guild on P99 is capable of clearing sky but does not currently have a slot in the rotation and wants to be in the rotation?

[Samoht]

I also wanted to point out this gem from the Azure Guard recruitment thread (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229061):

C. Rules and Regulations
There aren't a lot of rules in AG. AG is a borderline roleplaying guild in that we expect you to not only abide by the PnP, but actively be a nice player to others, particularly lower level characters, and to be a good steward of the blue server. We want to be a positive force on the server, not a neutral or evil one. We're not looking for lawyerquesters or people trying to push the line on what's legal and what's not on P99. This is a social game and if you're looking for pixels at any cost, we're probably not what you're looking for.

Emphasis mine. Looks like they need to do some house cleaning on whoever made the call to snipe island 1 from other guilds and the people defending them in this thread.

At least Rustle has owned their bad behavior, but those guys are sociopaths and have their own issues.

[Expediency]

You guys are arguing with a robot. Click on post history, its nothing but page after page of pedantic arguments. No matter what you say this bot will not stop picking your sentences apart until you give up.

[Sancta]

The landing page on their guild (http://azureguard.guildlaunch.com/) site clearly shows them killing Yelinak, Ring War, AoW, Vulak, and Tunare. They are clearly a Velious-class raiding guild.

Missing two other guilds in that equation, so Azure Guard themselves couldn't be considered Velious-class but the combination of three guilds could, and only for a brief time when when A/A is on suspension since none of those three guilds (solo or together) compete for any of those targets. They simply don't compete.

My point is they go to sky as a guild because they simply don't compete for Velious targets, and don't compete when they team up either. A/A would have to be suspended again which doesn't seem to be any time soon.

Allow me to re-phrase: Can you please clarify which guild on P99 is capable of clearing sky but does not currently have a slot in the rotation and wants to be in the rotation?

Aftermath looking to get back in soon, had a two month period where they were going up on Thursday nights but then they stopped and another guild took over, <The Second Sons> I think.

[Samoht]

You guys are arguing with a robot. Click on post history, its nothing but page after page of pedantic arguments. No matter what you say this bot will not stop picking your sentences apart until you give up.

Do you want to address any of the issues I'm bringing up or are you going to hide behind your nonsense about putting me on ignore? With this kind of poor leadership, it's no wonder that guild members are getting away with breaking the guild rules.

[Computer Blue]

Lol....Nobles...

November 27. Casual nobody Paradigm Shift is learning how to clear PoSky on their scheduled raid day when Lord Hot-N-Ready enters with a crack team of commando's. Never mind the full raid buffing themselves, chattering gleefully in TS about how this is the first time most of them have seen a noble.

http://i.imgur.com/de2HhBq.jpg

P.S. Git Gud.

[Samoht]

Aftermath looking to get back in soon, had a two month period where they were going up on Thursday nights but then they stopped and another guild took over, <The Second Sons> I think.

I'd recommend asking for Tuesday or Saturday morning.

[dennardscott86]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind :(

Call me the Blind Warrior.

[myguydie]

Do you have any examples of these alleged lies?

Ok, I raid with BHP, but am a member of Azure Guard. I have gone to the majority of BHP raids for fun, alternating between my main and alts. I can tell you first hand what goes on at their raids.

1) The raids aren't lead by AG. A few friends and I go for fun. We do not have any part in the decision making. Whoever started that post is completely misinformed.

2) That I know of, 2-3 total OOA's were killed. After speaking with the raid leader, I'm not sure they fully understand the rotation on OOA's, and I couldn't explain it because all I knew was that most guilds agree not to kill them. I think they were testing the waters to check out if it was ok and if it affected at all. I can't speak for them as I am not the raid leader, but knowing the people, I doubt they will continue to kill them after seeing this post, making the initial points of this thread moot.

What I am interested in is there are 5 OOA's. Does this mean there are 5 linked nobles? Or does the one noble continue to pop as long as 1 OOA is up? I still havent seen an explanation for this.

[Jorgam]

As demonstrated by AG disrupting their sky night one day last month.

This was a mistake and only happened once. There was an oversight on date/time and once we recalled that Hydra was coming up, we stopped.

[Sadiki]

Also waited a full hour to engage Noble while allowing Hydra to form up and clear Isle 1 so they could have the rest of the keys (we killed a few before anyone was in zone), which could have been sniped by anyone.

Also, AG is not in charge of Hydra raids just because a couple people help them. You're just stirring up people for fun. Obvious trolling like this belongs in RnF.

[Mythanor]

November 27. Casual nobody Paradigm Shift is learning how to clear PoSky on their scheduled raid day when Lord Hot-N-Ready enters with a crack team of commando's. Never mind the full raid buffing themselves, chattering gleefully in TS about how this is the first time most of them have seen a noble.

http://i.imgur.com/de2HhBq.jpg

[kotton05]

At least Rustle has owned their bad behavior, but those guys are sociopaths and have their own issues.

Who's a sociopath? What bad behavior?:)

Why are you trying to oust AG just because a few of their members are leading the hydra alliance? Almost all interactions with AG are great. on the other hand I'm sure the AG leading the hydra understand why so many OOA were up but I think this time it was the soft reset not a group of people who downed them. They may have before but not this time.

[Samoht]

Also waited a full hour to engage Noble while allowing Hydra to form up and clear Isle 1 so they could have the rest of the keys (we killed a few before anyone was in zone), which could have been sniped by anyone.

Also, AG is not in charge of Hydra raids just because a couple people help them. You're just stirring up people for fun. Obvious trolling like this belongs in RnF.

So you're admitting that none of it is a lie? Doesn't that make you the troll?

[kotton05]

So you're admitting that none of it is a lie? Doesn't that make you the troll?

He never admitted that. Leading questions.

I think the troll is you.

[Samoht]

He never admitted that. Leading questions.

I think the troll is you.

Shouldn't you be stealing orc warlords from wall groups in CB and shouting "RUSTLED!" as you link the Bracers of Battle?

[kotton05]

Shouldn't you be stealing orc warlords from wall groups in CB and shouting "RUSTLED!" as you link the Bracers of Battle?

The classic deflect and spin. Caught this guy in the troll jar.

[Samoht]

The classic deflect and spin. Caught this guy in the troll jar.

Deflect and spin? No. It's an analogy about how YOUR GUILD got caught disrupting someone else's sky night and how you addressed it by accusing them of being rustled.

It's just too bad you weren't smart enough to realize that.

AG and Rustle are the trolls here.

[pogs4ever]

Some of hydra core moved to AG, and they did stick around to help during the transition, and continue to help out cuz friends. They aren't associated with each other.

I finished my noble quests but had to sock and get the timers. So get good casuals. But let's not sugar coat the OoA non-agression agreement.

If you aren't willing to sock a force for nobles, you won't get them. You need to track 3 days prior to your raid time to see if one pops during your window at least. And once you do get it someone will kill all the OoA so you are back to square one.

More OoA = more nobles; but realistically more nobles for the sock/track guilds.

If you aren't willing to track/sock fte. And decide to kill OoA to get your loots; you run the risk of dealing with "consequences" which is the "velious-ready" guilds screwing with your raid, clearing 1, etc.

I dunno which guild the OP is in, but you'd need to decide what you want to do; grind sky for really no reason other than the handful of decent items that don't require an efreeti; or run the "consequences" detailed in this thread. Or grow a beard and track. Pick off an OoA here and there, etc.

My opinion is if not all guilds agree then it's pointless. I've never participated in an OoA nor would I recommend it, but I wouldn't go up into someone else's raid window to kill a noble either.

[Samoht]

Some of hydra core moved to AG, and they did stick around to help during the transition, and continue to help out cuz friends. They aren't associated with each other.

I finished my noble quests but had to sock and get the timers. So get good casuals. But let's not sugar coat the OoA non-agression agreement.

If you aren't willing to sock a force for nobles, you won't get them. You need to track 3 days prior to your raid time to see if one pops during your window at least. And once you do get it someone will kill all the OoA so you are back to square one.

More OoA = more nobles; but realistically more nobles for the sock/track guilds.

If you aren't willing to track/sock fte. And decide to kill OoA to get your loots; you run the risk of dealing with "consequences" which is the "velious-ready" guilds screwing with your raid, clearing 1, etc.

I dunno which guild the OP is in, but you'd need to decide what you want to do; grind sky for really no reason other than the handful of decent items that don't require an efreeti; or run the "consequences" detailed in this thread. Or grow a beard and track. Pick off an OoA here and there, etc.

My opinion is if not all guilds agree then it's pointless. I've never participated in an OoA nor would I recommend it, but I wouldn't go up into someone else's raid window to kill a noble either.

Lol @ consequences. The consequences for porting up on someone else's sky night is no OoAs. The Velious-class raiding guilds like AG and Rustle lose the opportunity to sock nobles. The casual guilds have nothing to lose. You should think harder about who's dealing with the worse of the consequences here.

What are you going to do? Is AG going to break their own guild rules again? Is Rustle going to keep targeting casual guilds to show their frustration of being incapable of adequately rustling any significant guilds when they're on even footing?

You're both looking a lot worse off for your efforts here.

If you want people to adhere to the OoA non-aggression pact, you should really consider respecting the sky rotation schedule.

[kotton05]

Deflect and spin? No. It's an analogy about how YOUR GUILD got caught disrupting someone else's sky night and how you addressed it by accusing them of being rustled.

It's just too bad you weren't smart enough to realize that.

AG and Rustle are the trolls here.

All false. Might be time to rotate your laundry because you've been on spin cycle for hours now.

[Samoht]

All false. Might be time to rotate your laundry because you've been on spin cycle for hours now.

Now who's deflecting. You won't even address the substance of my posts.

[pogs4ever]

Samoht, I don't agree with all the shade your throwing here, but I agree with your above post; that's exactly my point but perhaps not articulated clearly. If you are a non tracking casual guild, the agreement does nothing for you; the hardcore guilds want you to keep them up cuz pixels, but at the same time they say noble is ffa so you will never get one anyways. Until people agree to not snipe nobles from another raid, the agreement is pointless imo.

I still wouldn't kill OoA, but I always get some enjoyment when a guild says f-it and kills them.

[kotton05]

Now who's deflecting. You won't even address the substance of my posts.

You have no proof. Without it I can't take you serious.

You state it's Ag or it's rustle when I know it wasn't either. Was a soft reset. Then before that I heard whispers of the hydra breaking the agreement. But here you are blowing smoke out your bum bum , alarti would be ashamed of you.

[Samoht]

You have no proof. Without it I can't take you serious.

Oh, it definitely happened:

Rustle made a mix up, apparently they thought isle 1 was a 3 hour respawn, not 6 so end up wiping isle 1 just a couple of hours before the AG raid they were warned about.

This guy seems to have more insight from the Rustle POV than I do.

You can deny-spin and deflect all you wish, but the fact remains that Rustle went up on someone else's sky night and cleared island one. Rustle disrupted the scheduled raid night of a casual guild. No amount of you shaming the victims is going to change that.

You state it's Ag or it's rustle when I know it wasn't either. Was a soft reset.

I don't even know what this is in reference to. Practically everybody from AG except Expediency admits that they did something wrong. You gave it your typical "GET RUSTLED" response. You don't know shit.

[Triiz]

Good to see even Sky has went to shit. This is one situation the casuals have some power, wonder how long they'd have to kill every OOA spawn until it went back to your day/your noble.

[Maliant]

Only one time recently AG went up to compete for a noble not on our sky raid and we bought keys for everyone who didn't get one. That Samoht guy is full of shit, no clue what he is talking about

[Samoht]

Only one time recently AG went up to compete for a noble not on our sky raid and we bought keys for everyone who didn't get one. That Samoht guy is full of shit, no clue what he is talking about

AG only paid up after they got caught with their pants down. Buying the keys is a gesture of good faith, but they had already started clearing fairies when the people scheduled for that night ported up. It could have easily been prevented with a little bit of due diligence. So no, I'm not full of shit, and I'm obviously more aware of it than you are. It sounds more like you're being lied to by guys like Expediency and fooled into thinking that they can do no harm.

[Freakish]

WTB Golden Efreeti Greaves. Seriously.

[Erati]

I coined the phrase "Your Day, Your Noble" and glad its still remembered

good times

[Sadiki]

Now who's deflecting. You won't even address the substance of my posts.
That's adorable, he thinks his posts have substance.

[Samoht]

That's adorable, he thinks his posts have substance.

Don't let your personal attacks distract you from the fact that AG and Rustle disrupted casual guilds raiding sky, so the casual guilds killed OoAs. I like it. I hope they keep doing it as long as Velious-class raiding guilds act like there's no repercussions for their actions.

[pogs4ever]

Your day, your noble.

+1 for that

[Expediency]

Your day, your noble.

+1 for that

This would result in highest total of nobles with least possible hassle.

[RedXIII]

Casuals been toxic?! i am shocked...

Can we somehow flip tables and blame A/A for this too?

[Sadiki]

Your day, your noble.

+1 for that
If we're leaving OOAs up for more Nobles, then this honestly makes the most sense. There's no reason to stop people from killing OOAs if they also can't just kill a Noble if it pops while they are there.

Casuals been toxic?! i am shocked...

There is very little toxicity - just because a troll has half the posts in the thread doesn't mean he's telling the truth.

[Erati]

Casuals been toxic?! i am shocked...

Can we somehow flip tables and blame A/A for this too?

Check out who started the original NonAgression agreement >

The discussion
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186029

The agreement
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185913

The system working
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194092

There u go casuals, get to drafting!

[Samoht]

doesn't mean he's telling the truth.

I think you and I clearly have different definitions of what the word "truth" means. To me, it's a factual representation of events. To you, it seems to be believing whatever Expediency tells you to believe.

Examples of truth:

1) Azure Guard ported up to sky one day last month on a night that was not their designated sky day and began clearing island 1. When the guilds committed to that sky day started porting up, AG got caught with their pants down and had to cancel their plans to kill princess.

2) On 5/6/2017, Rustle ported up to sky with the intent on either socking noble or killing Gwan on a night reserved by other guilds. They cleared island 1 before anybody else came up and got caught corpsing keys back on 1 after they were finished.

Can you please let us know exactly what Expediency told you to believe about #1?

[Sancta]

Casuals been toxic?! i am shocked...

Can we somehow flip tables and blame A/A for this too?

You posted in this thread so now it's all A/As fault

inc 10-day ban for both guilds and forever banned from entering sky again

gg non-casuals

[Pan]

We'd support YDYN again.

[Expediency]

.

[Swish]

omg Samoht confirmed obsessed looool (etc)

[vorpal_raddish]

I have attended every scheduled AG sky raid in the last 2 years and I can attest we have never killed an OoA during one. Our officers have strictly and categorically forbade it under all circumstances. If an AG member has taken part in killing one they acted on their own, went against the wishes of the entire guild and are quite frankly very, very stupid.

In regards to Noble FFA, it sucks. Completely, absolutely sucks and I avoid it as much as I can. Shitposting aside, accidents happen. Mistakes get made. The best you can do is try to remedy them when they happen. This Saturday incident that is being continually brought up was one such situation. I wasn't there but as of my understanding we did our best to correct our mistake, and considering not a single attendee of the affected raid has complained in this thread it looks like our efforts were satisfactory. Trying so hard to paint us as villains because once some individuals blew their wad over a cartoon genie and temporarily lost the ability to look at a wiki page is being willfully obtuse and belligerent.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

I coined the phrase "Your Day, Your Noble" and glad its still remembered

good times

I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment.

There's nothing worse than an entire sky raid getting derailed because Noble popped/might pop or watching otherwise friendly and rational people act like savages for some Wind Etched Bracers of Ro.

[zanderklocke]

Are there any best in slot items from Noble still aside from the bare horn.

P..S. You are all my friends.

[Baler]

Thread delivers. ;)
Be sure to start on page 1 of this joy.

[Jimjam]

I think you and I clearly have different definitions of what the word "truth" means. To me, it's a factual representation of events. To you, it seems to be believing whatever Expediency tells you to believe.

Examples of truth:

1) Azure Guard ported up to sky one day last month on a night that was not their designated sky day and began clearing island 1. When the guilds committed to that sky day started porting up, AG got caught with their pants down and had to cancel their plans to kill princess.

2) On 5/6/2017, Rustle ported up to sky with the intent on either socking noble or killing Gwan on a night reserved by other guilds. They cleared island 1 before anybody else came up and got caught corpsing keys back on 1 after they were finished.

Can you please let us know exactly what Expediency told you to believe about #1?
Have you got your date right for the rustle event? I remember being in sky on 7th of March.

I watched Rustle fail to pull Noble to isle 1 (leashing was new). Weezard asked if I knew when the AG raid started, I replied in about 4 hours; 2 hours less than the 6 hour respawn timer of the princess. I advised they purchase isle 1.5 keys. Weezard disagreed, claiming princess was on a 3 hour timer.

If you were inclined you could blame AG for letting Rustle screw them; AG knew Noble was due, had the capacity to port up and had the keys corpsed to move straight to 1.5. If they took this action isle 1 would never have been killed. But I guess that is 'victim blaming'.

[Ravager]

With velious out the stuff they drop isn't worth killing them.

Yeah, who would bother playing Classic EQ? It's all obsolete.

[Rygar]

Serious Question: I saw on a post that a classic mechanic was that more OoA's got Noble to spawn faster... HOWEVER, if you killed Noble then ALL OoA's would despawn.

Is that how P99 works now? I don't raid much and my schedule doesn't allow me to attend Sky in our time slot currently.

[Baler]

Yeah, who would bother playing Classic EQ? It's all obsolete.

That's not true and I certainly wasn't implying this. There are still items from sky which are very good or perhaps BIS utility. Some nice clickies up there in the sky.

[kotton05]

Serious Question: I saw on a post that a classic mechanic was that more OoA's got Noble to spawn faster... HOWEVER, if you killed Noble then ALL OoA's would despawn.

Is that how P99 works now? I don't raid much and my schedule doesn't allow me to attend Sky in our time slot currently.

More OOA = more nobles per week. So once the ooa's are stacked up noble spawns more often, killing nobles doesn't result in less spawns, killing OOA does. Just for your clarification.

Still some relevant clickies and gear in sky that rival some ToV stuff , nothing to sleep on.

[Expediency]

Serious Question: I saw on a post that a classic mechanic was that more OoA's got Noble to spawn faster... HOWEVER, if you killed Noble then ALL OoA's would despawn.

Is that how P99 works now? I don't raid much and my schedule doesn't allow me to attend Sky in our time slot currently.

It's complicated. Here is the basic structure if someone can set me straight on some of the details please do

There is one Noble that spawns every seven days and killing him does not affect the time of anything else.

If an Ooa spawns and is not killed buy a raid then after 7 or 10 days a noble spawns in its place. one Noble pop does not despawn all the other Ooa cycles. If everything is going right then there can be 4 (??) Ooa cycles going on + the seven day spawn.

These ooa cycles seem really sensitive to patches or resets

[Rygar]

More OOA = more nobles per week. So once the ooa's are stacked up noble spawns more often, killing nobles doesn't result in less spawns, killing OOA does. Just for your clarification.

Still some relevant clickies and gear in sky that rival some ToV stuff , nothing to sleep on.

So are you saying killing Noble does not despawn the OoAs?

I heard through the grapevine that is how it worked on live but never dug into it. Made it sound like it would help you pop noble faster initially, but once you kill him you need to respawn all the OoAs again to speed him along.

Again this was just something I heard, just asking community if that is the case on P99

[Samoht]

Have you got your date right for the rustle event? I remember being in sky on 7th of March.

I watched Rustle fail to pull Noble to isle 1 (leashing was new). Weezard asked if I knew when the AG raid started, I replied in about 4 hours; 2 hours less than the 6 hour respawn timer of the princess. I advised they purchase isle 1.5 keys. Weezard disagreed, claiming princess was on a 3 hour timer.

It actually sounds like you're saying Rustle has done this more than once.

[kotton05]

So are you saying killing Noble does not despawn the OoAs?

I heard through the grapevine that is how it worked on live but never dug into it. Made it sound like it would help you pop noble faster initially, but once you kill him you need to respawn all the OoAs again to speed him along.

Again this was just something I heard, just asking community if that is the case on P99

if there is another mechanic that's new to me maybe someone with more knowledge could chime in. On live I don't think I even knew plane of sky existed. So my experiences are strictly on p99.

[Freakish]

It's complicated. Here is the basic structure if someone can set me straight on some of the details please do

There is one Noble that spawns every seven days and killing him does not affect the time of anything else.

If an Ooa spawns and is not killed buy a raid then after 7 or 10 days a noble spawns in its place. one Noble pop does not despawn all the other Ooa cycles. If everything is going right then there can be 4 (??) Ooa cycles going on + the seven day spawn.

These ooa cycles seem really sensitive to patches or resets

Incorrect.
When 7 day noble is slain, an OOA spawns and a 7 day timer starts. If that OOA is not killed then 72 hours later it despawns and a noble pops. This is known as the 3 day noble. Slaying a 3 day noble spawns another OOA but does not start a 7 day timer. That OOA follows the rules all OOA follows, so you will have a noble spawn every 3 days per OOA. The 7 day spawn is the only one that spawns fresh OOA. So each week you will get an additional OOA and there can be multiple OOA up.

[Expediency]

Incorrect.
When 7 day noble is slain, an OOA spawns and a 7 day timer starts. If that OOA is not killed then 72 hours later it despawns and a noble pops. This is known as the 3 day noble. Slaying a 3 day noble spawns another OOA but does not start a 7 day timer. That OOA follows the rules all OOA follows, so you will have a noble spawn every 3 days per OOA. The 7 day spawn is the only one that spawns fresh OOA. So each week you will get an additional OOA and there can be multiple OOA up.

Damn thats complicated. Is there a limit to this? Ive always seen it max out at 3-4

[Erati]

The Overseers dont depop like that after 3 days.

Also killing the 3 day Noble ( the one on the left of the doorway ) does NOT spawn an Overseer. Overseer only spawn off the 7 day Noble death and thats how you can 'count' how far the cycle has gone.

Overseers do not start to depop until there are 4 Overseers up, then when you kill the 7 day Noble that would have spawned a 5th Overseer the very first Overseer that started the cycle will depop when a new OoA spawns.

I believe 4 Overseers of Air is the max you can have up and it will produce Nobles everyday with some days having 2 and eventually some days with 3 as those 7 day Noble timers begin to overlap with the 3 day ones.

[Freakish]

They absolutely do despawn. Go check track after a 3 day noble and you'll see a fresh OOA at top of track list.

[Samoht]

You guys are not actually going to get anywhere on the YDYN thing until you get Rustle to agree. The likelihood of that happening is slim to none.

[Erati]

They absolutely do despawn. Go check track after a 3 day noble and you'll see a fresh OOA at top of track list.

I said they despawn...


Overseers do not start to depop until there are 4 Overseers up, then when you kill the 7 day Noble that would have spawned a 5th Overseer the very first Overseer that started the cycle will depop when a new OoA spawns.


Please read fully. I might have some things inaccurate in terms of the timing or amounts of Overseers but they certainly do not depop after 3 days, you would never have Overseers stacking up if that was the case. A new Overseer only spawns after the 7 day Noble dies, not the 3 day.

[Freakish]

Semantics then. If you have a 3 day noble up then his corresponding OOA is down until you kill the noble. Which respawns an OOA on death. Technically it's a new OOA, but it's not a stacking OOA.

[Erati]

Semantics then. If you have a 3 day noble up then his corresponding OOA is down until you kill the noble. Which respawns an OOA on death. Technically it's a new OOA, but it's not a stacking OOA.

I see what you are saying :)

Yes, we are both correct. I was mostly talking about how to 'stack' the Overseers.

[Ravager]

That's not true and I certainly wasn't implying this. There are still items from sky which are very good or perhaps BIS utility. Some nice clickies up there in the sky.
Yes you did. See:
With velious out the stuff they drop isn't worth killing them.
What difference does it make if there's better stuff available in Velious? We're all here to relive classic EQ, Nobles are classic EQ. People are doing all sorts of quests and camps where there is better and easier to get stuff dropping in Velious, but they want the Ro's Armor they had in 1999, or the Burning Rapier, or the Treant Fists, or perhaps Gold Plate Armor on their caster...

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/hHXqxIA.gif

[Rygar]

So just have to say it, based on the explanation of the mechanics of Noble Dojorn / OoA, why on earth doesn't a rotation agreement be put in place for all guilds? It is a rare exception of a rotation agreement actually resulting in more mobs / drops.

I'm not even sure A/A would care to join, or want to join only for select item drops.

Only caveat I would argue for a rotation is the pieces stay in your guild for members to complete the quest, no selling the droppables / loot rights.

[Samoht]

So just have to say it, based on the explanation of the mechanics of Noble Dojorn / OoA, why on earth doesn't a rotation agreement be put in place for all guilds?

If a guild like Azure Guard is willing to do go up on another guild's night to snipe a noble despite it being against their own guild rules, what would stop guilds without such rules from doing it?

[Freakish]

So just have to say it, based on the explanation of the mechanics of Noble Dojorn / OoA, why on earth doesn't a rotation agreement be put in place for all guilds? It is a rare exception of a rotation agreement actually resulting in more mobs / drops.

I'm not even sure A/A would care to join, or want to join only for select item drops.

Only caveat I would argue for a rotation is the pieces stay in your guild for members to complete the quest, no selling the droppables / loot rights.

There are a lot of guilds who don't even go up to sky on their night they just have it reserved. There are also guilds who want sky slots but none available. There are also guilds who take AM slots but noble always spawns in PM. It's not as simple as it first looks.

[Samoht]

There are also guilds who want sky slots but none available.

I'm still waiting for anybody to name one.

[Expediency]

So just have to say it, based on the explanation of the mechanics of Noble Dojorn / OoA, why on earth doesn't a rotation agreement be put in place for all guilds? It is a rare exception of a rotation agreement actually resulting in more mobs / drops.


We had a rotatation for a while and it was amazing. Wed go up and kill it on our day and not worry about it for 6 more days.

A rotation would result in the most mobs for the most people and i think 90% would support it. The problem is that without 100% buy in the idea falls apart when one group of people decide to be jerks.

Ps: robot is still posting 2x per page. I am guessing its trigger to generate a post is falling under 25% of total thread responses.

[Freakish]

I'm still waiting for anybody to name one.

rustle. For months we were alternating Friday nights and only able to go up every other week due to congestion of sky slots. Two weeks ago we took over Monday slot.

[Samoht]

rustle. For months we were alternating Friday nights and only able to go up every other week due to congestion of sky slots. Two weeks ago we took over Monday slot.

So Rustle has a spot? They're not looking for one? Do you have any actual examples of guilds looking for a slot?

[Ravager]

We had a rotatation for a while and it was amazing. Wed go up and kill it on our day and not worry about it for 6 more days.

A rotation would result in the most mobs for the most people and i think 90% would support it. The problem is that without 100% buy in the idea falls apart when one group of people decide to be jerks.

Ps: robot is still posting 2x per page. I am guessing its trigger to generate a post is falling under 25% of total thread responses.

8 years of Classic, 6 years of Kunark, 2 years of Velious, Sleeper gone, and the same handful of people that have been refusing rotations all along still won't rotate one mob they killed literally a thousand times by now. Kinda ridiculous.

[Samoht]

Ps: robot is still posting 2x per page. I am guessing its trigger to generate a post is falling under 25% of total thread responses.

You are such a hypocrite.

[Jimjam]

So here is a synopsis of what happened on 8/9th of April!

AG port up in advance for Noble.
A Thunder spirit is killed.
Upon second pull it is asked whether any other guild planned to do sky that evening (20:15 hours)
Pulls stop for query to be resolved.
Someone contacts Hydra.
Hydra starts their sky raid & officers enter discussion.
AG move pre-keyed characters to isle 1.5 to wait for ND to pop.
ND pops: AG waits for hydra to finish isle 1 and kill princess so they can hand in key pieces from the 2 mobs engaged before they realised they needed to contact hydra.
AG defeat ND.
As there were insufficient key pieces on the spirits & princess AG left up AG members volunteered platinum to key the rest of Hydra's raid.

Would be interesting to see the perspectives from pirates and other hydra members who were there.

I'll avoid posting a truncated log at the moment for brevity's sake.

[Sadiki]

Ps: robot is still posting 2x per page. I am guessing its trigger to generate a post is falling under 25% of total thread responses.
Every other post says "This message is hidden" for me now. Only takes one click to make the thread bearable.
As there were insufficient key pieces on the spirits & princess AG left up AG members volunteered platinum to key the rest of Hydra's raid.
Ha, I totally forgot about this part. I gave all of my platinum to them.

[Samoht]

Upon second pull it is asked whether any other guild planned to do sky that evening

I just want to know why this wasn't done first. It's inconsiderate that they started clearing fairies without even trying to work with the schedule.

[Jimjam]

I just want to know why this wasn't done first. It's inconsiderate that they started clearing fairies without even trying to work with the schedule.

It's a good point and important it doesn't continue to happen. AG were stung by Rustle wiping Isle 1 not long before. Really this is an issue that should have been in the mind of leadership, and not one to be reminded after engage by membership.

I suggest it was an oversight. Or a lack of oversight.

Something something Overseers. Of Air.

[Samoht]

It's a good point and important it doesn't continue to happen. AG were stung by Rustle wiping Isle 1 not long before. Really this is an issue that should have been in the mind of leadership, and not one to be reminded after engage by membership.

I suggest it was an oversight. Or a lack of oversight.

Something something Overseers. Of Air.

AG really needs to consider pulling Expediency from ever posting again and let you handle all of their board discussions.

[mcbizzler]

I've been curious to see the outcome of this since it was posted last Sunday, but I'll at least throw my 2 cents on the pot.

The reason Ruppet originally started this post was for this - Clue ported up to Isle 1 in Sky on Sunday 5/14 with the intent of doing our weekly run. Upon porting up and starting to buff, we noticed that the princess was down along with a few of the spirits. So somebody sniped princess to go do Gwan right? Not entirely classy, but not unheard of either. So we check track and 'a presence' is up - so this means princess was not killed in the last 2 hours. Now, this opens up a window of time that Gwan MIGHT have been killed by a lone group prior to 2 hours before we came up, but I find the coincidences starting to add up.

Low and behold, as we're debating about who fucked us this time, Noble Djorn spawns. Who is there but 5 minutes later and immediately head over to 1.5? Rustle. I just happened to find it convenient that princess/a few sprites were down prior to Noble spawning, only to have someone swoop in and bag it as soon as he spawns. I would be too nice if I didn't say the thought crossed my mind of "Oh, hey, someone came up early and cleared Princess and got keys since they knew Djorn was spawning, meanwhile fucking anyone else who didn't have previously corpsed 1.5 keys or was willing to spend the 500+ per key to 1.5."

The reason we asked about OoA's originally was because some of our members asked since we got screwed over on a Noble, why can't we just kill them instead? I explained the way Nobles worked and we eventually agreed against it that night.

However, based on what I've seen in this thread, why the fuck shouldn't I kill an OoA whenever I see it? If guilds are gonna come up on other guilds nights and cockblock them from even getting keys to 1.5/2, why the fuck am I going to leave a mob up that feeds the poopsockers? If I kill the OoA's, will I never see another Noble? Most likely. If I don't kill the OoA, will I ever engage a Noble without fuckery happening? Most likely not.

And while Samoht, regardless of what you personally think of him, may not always choose the best point to drive home - but some of his arguments in this thread do have merit.

TL;DR

Is porting up on some else's Sky night to snag a Noble against the rules?
No, but it's sure as fuck not classy.

What is the server population's stance on killing Overseer of Air?
Generally, the attitude is to lay off. However - again I'll point out the irony - leaving OoA's up will just inspire more pixels for the already saturated neckbeards and if I can stick it to them, why the hell not?

This is 6+ years into the server's existence and people still need EVERY pixel available to them - because fuck those other guys. God forbid people would actually want to experience content they didn't have a chance to see 17 years ago.

Also, not to be completely negative, Clue would also support a YNYN type of agreement in the future - but as stated before, without 100% input, it only takes one group of dbags to ruin it for everyone.

[Sadiki]

If you want a Noble rotation, then write up an agreement and see if people sign it. Most have already stated they will.

If you want to reserve Isle 1 mobs on your Sky night, then start an official discussion to get it added to the rotation rules and see if it passes.

Or do both.


However, if neither is done, then you have two raid groups that both need Isle 1 keys to things they are allowed to do per your rotation rules, with both parties yelling that the other party is less deserving of the free keys and should pay. Neither side is the more deserving underdog in this situation.

While AG accidentally killed 2 mobs on someone's raid night and paid for those keys to make up for it, you seriously cannot expect everyone to be so ridiculously accommodating when there is no actual attempt to move forward on revising the rules.

[harmo]

some guilds don't respect rotation rules for isle 1, mobs were dead when Novae move up.

[Samoht]

you have two raid groups that both need Isle 1 keys to things they are allowed to do per your rotation rules, with both parties yelling that the other party is less deserving of the free keys and should pay. Neither side is the more deserving underdog in this situation.

This just isn't true. It seems like you're trying to change the rules to justify your own guild's bad behavior.

While AG accidentally killed 2 mobs on someone's raid night

I fail to see how you can accidentally port an entire raid force up to sky on a night reserved for someone else and then proceed to start killing mobs. Eminem-Guilty_Conscience.mp3 (https://youtu.be/Xbw_BxDwdjk?t=166)

there is no actual attempt to move forward on revising the rules.

Rules (with the exception of nobles) should be fine as they are. If it's not your night and you need Gwan/noble then buy your own damned keys.

[Maner]

Have you got your date right for the rustle event? I remember being in sky on 7th of March.

I watched Rustle fail to pull Noble to isle 1 (leashing was new). Weezard asked if I knew when the AG raid started, I replied in about 4 hours; 2 hours less than the 6 hour respawn timer of the princess. I advised they purchase isle 1.5 keys. Weezard disagreed, claiming princess was on a 3 hour timer.

If you were inclined you could blame AG for letting Rustle screw them; AG knew Noble was due, had the capacity to port up and had the keys corpsed to move straight to 1.5. If they took this action isle 1 would never have been killed. But I guess that is 'victim blaming'.

Lmfao ya, AG could have rescheduled their raid for earlier. But how were they supposed to know people in rustle were going to show up and kill their island one? It is victim blaming and another example of your idiocy.

[Keary]

The question is... did Azure Guard collude with the Rustles? I demand an independent investigation.

[Baler]

Keary weren't you AG?

AG + Rustle conspiracy on our hands!

[Keary]

Keary weren't you AG?

AG + Rustle conspiracy on our hands!

Hmm... I hereby recuse myself from the investigation.

[Freakish]

So Rustle has a spot? They're not looking for one? Do you have any actual examples of guilds looking for a slot?



rustle. For months we were alternating Friday nights and only able to go up every other week due to congestion of sky slots. Two weeks ago we took over Monday slot.

Sorry this doesn't fit your narrative. You're trying to pick and choose arguments while ignoring everything else just to cast us as villians. Please, continue your shouting into the wind.

[Samoht]

Sorry this doesn't fit your narrative. You're trying to pick and choose arguments while ignoring everything else just to cast us as villians. Please, continue your shouting into the wind.

This has nothing to do with how you can't answer my question without throwing in your own conditions. You're villains for porting up to sky and clearing island 1 whenever you please. It's not hard to figure out who is scheduled for sky on a particular night and then send a few tells to find out if they're going up or not. It's really not.

Rustle does a good enough job painting themselves as server villains. They don't need my help.

[Jimjam]

Lmfao ya, AG could have rescheduled their raid for earlier. But how were they supposed to know people in rustle were going to show up and kill their island one? It is victim blaming and another example of your idiocy.

I said "if you were inclined", not "it is my opinion".

My opinion is Rustle should have considered what they were advised (Princess is on a 6 hour timer so they would delay AG's scheduled raid by killing her) and either left Noble up or paid their way to 1.5.

However, I believe it is important to try represent both sides to a story, which is why I felt compelled to mention that AG were aware Noble was due and had plenty of keyed characters who could have engaged Noble on 1.5; by failing to act on these facts they gave Rustle the opportunity to clear 1.5 in chase of Noble.

I'll also restate, for the sake of fairness to Rustle,

1) they spent a lot of time, effort and sky ports (plat) trying to pull Noble to isle 1.
and
2) apparently believed princess was on a 3 hour timer so AG's evening wouldn't be delayed

Maner, thank you for your feedback that I seem idiotic. I'll try to communicate more clearly and logically in the future, and put more effort into proof reading what I have written.

[Maner]

I said "if you were inclined", not "it is my opinion".

My opinion is Rustle should have considered what they were advised (Princess is on a 6 hour timer so they would delay AG's scheduled raid by killing her) and either left Noble up or paid their way to 1.5.

However, I believe it is important to try represent both sides to a story, which is why I felt compelled to mention that AG were aware Noble was due and had plenty of keyed characters who could have engaged Noble on 1.5; by failing to act on these facts they gave Rustle the opportunity to clear 1.5 in chase of Noble.

I'll also restate, for the sake of fairness to Rustle,

1) they spent a lot of time, effort and sky ports (plat) trying to pull Noble to isle 1.
and
2) apparently believed princess was on a 3 hour timer so AG's evening wouldn't be delayed

Maner, thank you for your feedback that I seem idiotic. I'll try to communicate more clearly and logically in the future, and put more effort into proof reading what I have written.

This entire thread is about guilds going up to sky for a noble and killing island one, when it is NOT their day. It is not AGs job to reschedule their raid because a noble is due when decency says you don't clear sky if its someones scheduled day. The amount of time and effort they spent is irrelevant, all they had to do was show up and buy keys and NONE of this would have been a problem.

People aren't complaining about not getting nobles they are complaining about other guilds interfering with their scheduled days. If you're up there and a noble spawns then that is great, however there are a couple of these groups who go up when it is not their day and clear island one for keys.

AGs problem wasn't that rustle killed the noble, its that they killed island one and screwed them over. Rustle shouldn't have killed island one, they should have just bought keys and there wouldn't have been a problem.

[getsome]

http://i.imgur.com/3zkqWO6.jpg

[Skew]

Please for the love of God ban Rustle from Sky.


Skew <Rustle>

[Erati]

I have two Efreeti War Mauls in my bank right now I will gladly give away if it will solve some of this issue with Dojorn

[gildor]

I think a pair of knuckles delivered in unmarked bag directly to me would suffice

[vorpal_raddish]

Hmm... I hereby recuse myself from the investigation.

Sounds like something a secret mastermind would say.

[Laemeth]

We had a rotatation for a while and it was amazing. Wed go up and kill it on our day and not worry about it for 6 more days.


why AG was on PoS on our night ?
Again for the 5 time, the first island was cleaned before our raid.
when i asked, Ag told me it was Anonymous and they told us they didnt kill the princesse that night.... the first island repoped 5h after we started to port on sky...

So i m asking:

Why we should leave the ooa up now and why we still respect the Plan of sky raid rotation anymore ?

Realy if we found someone else on the day of an another guild, that guild should be ban for sky for a month, or if they get caught a second time they should be definitely out of the rotation, some guild are still waitting to get the spot !...

If we cant find a solution Pos should be FFA as the other plan are..

Sorry getting bored to be stuck...

Laemeth, raid leader of Novae

[Swish]

Sounds like theres schenanigans afoot, I might have to get a port up there to keep an eye on who is coming and going.

[Sadiki]

Swish confirmed coming to Blue. Thread successful.

[Savok]

why AG was on PoS on our night ?
Again for the 5 time, the first island was cleaned before our raid.
when i asked, Ag told me it was Anonymous and they told us they didnt kill the princesse that night.... the first island repoped 5h after we started to port on sky...

So i m asking:

Why we should leave the ooa up now and why we still respect the Plan of sky raid rotation anymore ?

Realy if we found someone else on the day of an another guild, that guild should be ban for sky for a month, or if they get caught a second time they should be definitely out of the rotation, some guild are still waitting to get the spot !...

If we cant find a solution Pos should be FFA as the other plan are..

Sorry getting bored to be stuck...

Laemeth, raid leader of Novae

I was logged in Sky from our raid last night on my monk. There were 10 or 11 Anon in zone trying to pull Noble to Isle 1. The rest of my force zoned in and either had keys or bought keys to 1.5 and moved up. Anon monk tried one more time to pull Noble to 1 (we were up there watching) and then they left.

I sent a tell to a Novae member after Noble died saying that Anon were up already and Isle 1 was down. I also said that it may not of been Anon due to the fact that they didn't go up to 1.5 themselves. I also told Novae that the Pal loot was rotting and you guys were welcome to go up there and get it.

So AG a) didn't kill anything on Isle 1 b) bought or corpsed keys to 1.5 c) never saw who killed Isle 1.

[Jorgam]

The question is... did Azure Guard collude with the Rustles? I demand an independent investigation.

Rustle under the bed! Red scare, red scare!

Lol good one. =P

[Laemeth]

Sorry Savok I did not want accused either AG or ANON but just pointed the fact that island 1 was empty at our arriving on PoS.

Thank you on behalf of our paladine for the noble loots.

Btw I was on my wiz when we communicate together by tell.

[Savok]

Isn't there also a Necro quest which depops the Princess or something?

[vorpal_raddish]

Isn't there also a Necro quest which depops the Princess or something?

The final hand-in for the necro epic despawns the Princess and spawns Gkzzallk on island 3.

[Jimjam]

This entire thread is about guilds going up to sky for a noble and killing island one, when it is NOT their day. It is not AGs job to reschedule their raid because a noble is due when decency says you don't clear sky if its someones scheduled day. The amount of time and effort they spent is irrelevant, all they had to do was show up and buy keys and NONE of this would have been a problem.

People aren't complaining about not getting nobles they are complaining about other guilds interfering with their scheduled days. If you're up there and a noble spawns then that is great, however there are a couple of these groups who go up when it is not their day and clear island one for keys.

AGs problem wasn't that rustle killed the noble, its that they killed island one and screwed them over. Rustle shouldn't have killed island one, they should have just bought keys and there wouldn't have been a problem.I'm really confused because your tone seems to be that of disagreement, but your content seems to align almost exactly to what I was saying.

Let me check we are on the same page.

1) guilds should not be inconvenienced by having other forces clear isle 1 within 6 hours of the start of their sky raid.

2) if a force wants to kill a noble on a day other than their own they should either use pre-parked / pre-keyed characters or buy keys.

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid, which I actually find hard to believe, but it was their defence at the time) those two points above were my key points and on which we seem to agree.

I also agree to your last note that no one should have a problem with other forces killing Noble (ruleswise) unless they also mess up isle 1, etc. Noble is currently FFA.

[Ruppet]

Low and behold, as we're debating about who fucked us this time, Noble Djorn spawns. Who is there but 5 minutes later and immediately head over to 1.5? Rustle. I just happened to find it convenient that princess/a few sprites were down prior to Noble spawning, only to have someone swoop in and bag it as soon as he spawns. I would be too nice if I didn't say the thought crossed my mind of "Oh, hey, someone came up early and cleared Princess and got keys since they knew Djorn was spawning, meanwhile fucking anyone else who didn't have previously corpsed 1.5 keys or was willing to spend the 500+ per key to 1.5."

Just want to clarify here what my guildmate is saying. Rustle did not come kill some mobs on Island 1 while we were in Sky. But clearly some unknown persons did come up before us and did some killing. We needed to buy some keys for people that did not have them corpsed before; it is unfortunate, but it also reasonable to expect some group to head up to do Gwan from time to time. We managed and moved on to the next Island. Just here to comment on that! Carry on folks!

[Jimjam]

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid...

This should read "they thought they WEREN'T ...."

oops

[Khaall Drogo]

I'm really confused because your tone seems to be that of disagreement, but your content seems to align almost exactly to what I was saying.

Let me check we are on the same page.

1) guilds should not be inconvenienced by having other forces clear isle 1 within 6 hours of the start of their sky raid.

2) if a force wants to kill a noble on a day other than their own they should either use pre-parked / pre-keyed characters or buy keys.

So apart from trying to see Rustle's side of the coin (apparently they thought they were going to interrupt AG's scheduled raid, which I actually find hard to believe, but it was their defence at the time) those two points above were my key points and on which we seem to agree.

I also agree to your last note that no one should have a problem with other forces killing Noble (ruleswise) unless they also mess up isle 1, etc. Noble is currently FFA.

I just want to say that The Second Sons and Veloci Shift have been doing PoS on our scheduled raid time Thursday night for going on 3 months. We have worked hard together to make this a successful raid every week for us.

1)Out of the 12 or so times we have done Sky, 10 if not MORE of those times, either <Novae> has cleared PoS with in several hours AFTER 12pm CST, or some guild attempting to either FTE Noble or interrupt the guilds who ARE trying to FTE noble have cleared island 1. We have often had to deal with paying our own way up, trying to figure out what order the island were cleared and when before us. I will take a moment here to say that ever since I started discussing the issue with <Novae> They have been 100% honorable and respectful. They always tell me what they plan on doing in Sky, When they can do it, and they have even left Islands up just for us before. HOWEVER

2)<Rustle> and others have REPEATEDLY KILLED SOME OR ALL OF ISLAND 1 in an attempt to FTE or to screw each other over and get noble. Now the Noble has been popping in our Raid window for weeks. We have even had 30+ ppl ready to to leave w.e island we are at to go get noble when he pops. Though due to guild camping toons out ON NOBLE spawn we have yet to even fight a noble one time.

Call me the Blind Warrior.

I would not be surprised if PoS starts becoming blind one OOA at a time.

[Sancta]

some guilds don't respect rotation rules for isle 1, mobs were dead when Novae move up.

why AG was on PoS on our night ?
Again for the 5 time, the first island was cleaned before our raid.
when i asked, Ag told me it was Anonymous and they told us they didnt kill the princesse that night.... the first island repoped 5h after we started to port on sky...

Laemeth, raid leader of Novae

So is this why Novae does Sky super late on Thursday that prevents <The Second Sons> from doing it? Nova has the early morning slot and does sky super late all the time, forcing the Thursday PM slot to start way super late. For information it's <The Seconds Sons> PM Sky and formerly <Aftermath> PM sky night.

Seems like the casual guilds screw over each other worse than any A/A does to anyone.

[Khaall Drogo]

So is this why Novae does Sky super late on Thursday that prevents <The Second Sons> from doing it? Nova has the early morning slot and does sky super late all the time, forcing the Thursday PM slot to start way super late. For information it's <The Seconds Sons> PM Sky and formerly <Aftermath> PM sky night.

Seems like the casual guilds screw over each other worse than any A/A does to anyone.

We have often stopped at Island 4 for no other reason than we were screwed in one way or another and its 2 am CST by the time island 4 boss is dead. For the first few weeks I did not even speak to the GL of <Novae> but ever since we have been talking like I said they have been respectful and truthful about when and what they are doing in sky. So that at the very least we know what we are getting into. I do not feel like its them starting late that screws us, as they have by request left island 1-5 up JUST FOR US, upon my request. Its the other guilds who clear it after they left it up for us that is infuriating. Novae is in there own time zone raiding Sky when they can get people together just like us.

[Samoht]

Seems like the casual guilds screw over each other worse than any A/A does to anyone.

Rustle is not a casual guild.

[Sancta]

We have often stopped at Island 4 for no other reason than we were screwed in one way or another and its 2 am CST by the time island 4 boss is dead. For the first few weeks I did not even speak to the GL of <Novae> but ever since we have been talking like I said they have been respectful and truthful about when and what they are doing in sky. So that at the very least we know what we are getting into. I do not feel like its them starting late that screws us, as they have by request left island 1-5 up JUST FOR US, upon my request. Its the other guilds who clear it after they left it up for us that is infuriating. Novae is in there own time zone raiding Sky when they can get people together just like us.

That's what I'm saying, it's not Novae's fault.

Rustle is not a casual guild.

I mean we can be honest in saying that anyone not A/A is pretty damn casual. I doubt many would disagree, that's kind of one of their tenants, they are casual but can still take down fairly high-end targets. Rustle would be a hard third place if there was some kind of ranking I'm sure.

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/UrqMzSm.gif

[myguydie]

Based on the rules that are in place, these guilds aren't breaking them. For as long as I have played here, noble has been FTE. You can propose a player made agreement if you'd like, I could see why either way makes sense. Until then, dont complain on here, but find a strategy that your guild can try out to camp a 3 day 0 variance timer. Go up every 72 hours and you will eventually get nobles.

After reading the post on how OOA works, killing OOA's is foolish. You help yourselves but hurt every single other guild in the rotation. Not only larger guilds, but ever casual guild on the server. Every guild that is in agreement to have their own slot and not create a total sock of sky. The very chance of a noble at and of your own or every other guild's raid has decreased. If you want a shot at Noble during your raid slot, leave OOAs up. You talk about class, but then you say "fuck everyone else, I'm killing these damn OOAs." If all casual guilds begin to kill them. There will be one OOA and one noble up per week. Gratz. No one is getting loot. This would be on a 0 time variance. So litterally one slot would be getting every single noble and every single OOA.

Unless everyone will agree on your night your noble, this is how Sky works. Get your socks out. You're going to need them.

[Maner]

Based on the rules that are in place, these guilds aren't breaking them. For as long as I have played here, noble has been FTE. You can propose a player made agreement if you'd like, I could see why either way makes sense. Until then, dont complain on here, but find a strategy that your guild can try out to camp a 3 day 0 variance timer. Go up every 72 hours and you will eventually get nobles.

After reading the post on how OOA works, killing OOA's is foolish. You help yourselves but hurt every single other guild in the rotation. Not only larger guilds, but ever casual guild on the server. Every guild that is in agreement to have their own slot and not create a total sock of sky. The very chance of a noble at and of your own or every other guild's raid has decreased. If you want a shot at Noble during your raid slot, leave Nobles up. Leave them up and give everyone a chance at it.

Unless everyone will agree on your night your noble, this is how Sky works.

Except clearing island one on someone else's day is obviously against the rules of the rotation.

[Samoht]

Based on the rules that are in place, these guilds aren't breaking them.

Clearing islands on someone else's night is definitely against the rotation.

killing OOA's is foolish.

Not when you have zero chance at nobles and the people who can kill nobles don't respect your night.

[myguydie]

Not when you have zero chance at nobles and the people who can kill nobles don't respect your night.


Yes, except once you've killed the 4 OOA's, one will pop every 7 days, exactly every 7 days from the last assuming that the noble is killed on time. Then you are in the same boat that you are in now, except you have also screwed everyone else on the server and one guild is getting 100% of the loot. Take your chances for the 1/14th of the time that you have allotted.

[nyclin]

rules don't apply to casual guilds, sirken has held A/A responsible for supposedly breaking player-made agreements but has stated he won't hold "casual" guilds responsible for blatant violations of the published raid rules

no bashing, just truth

[Samoht]

you have also screwed everyone else on the server

If you want to talk about one guild screwing everybody else, talk about Rustle. They need to quit clearing islands when it's not they're night.

[Andos]

rules don't apply to casual guilds, sirken has held A/A responsible for supposedly breaking player-made agreements but has stated he won't hold "casual" guilds responsible for blatant violations of the published raid rules

no bashing, just truth

Oh so if they just go stand on spawn points to get FTE instead of racing they're not gonna get in trouble? Suuuuuurrrrreeeee.....

[myguydie]

All I am saying is that killing OOA's will eventually lead to you still having no OOA's. There aren't enough OOA's for everyone to kill. In doing so you are hurting yourself as well as everyone else. In the end, you still get no loots. It's a mentality of if I can't have it, no one can. Instead, work on tracking the mob and knowing when these guilds might be coming up. Beat them to it.

[Samoht]

All I am saying is that killing OOA's will eventually lead to you still having no OOA's. There aren't enough OOA's for everyone to kill. In doing so you are hurting yourself as well as everyone else. In the end, you still get no loots. It's a mentality of if I can't have it, no one can. Instead, work on tracking the mob and knowing when these guilds might be coming up. Beat them to it.

I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Casual guilds don't give a shit about nobles. They're not going to poopsock, and they're not going to click on empty air for the chance of an FTE. It's just not going to happen.

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

[myguydie]

I see your point. Guilds should be paying for keys or keying themselves. If they want a chance at Noble, pay the 500pp for the key if you don't corpse your keys weekly(Sky dwellers should all be doing this).

Any guild in rotation killing weekly, must be overflowing with the loot from island one. Really they are just saving you the 5 minutes it takes to clear the entire island as long as they pay for your/their keys.

Killing OOA's is still the worse of the two. If there isn't anyone interested in having a noble loot, ever, in a guild, I'm sure that there are people in the other casual guilds who are interested. A guild killing OOA's would be preventing other guilds, including casuals, from getting any chance at them. That's where the greed begins to grow. Say you are killing a OOA once a week. Then every guild wants in on that. OOAs will all be gone in one week.

If you leave them up, there are up to 4 spawning every 3 days, plus a 1 week spawn. If all of these are up, you are bound to get a pop once in a while in your spawn window. When raiding with casual guilds, I have seen uncontested nobles. If your guild can't put the effort into tracking, get the ones you can and don't take others chances away.

I think that as long as noble is FTE, it's reasonable to ask for an agreement from all guilds to buy their own keys if moving to 1.5 for a noble that is not on their night.

[Laemeth]

It would be enough to withdraw the FTE of the noble.
If it is up during your evening of raid, do it, otherwise return the following week!
Problem solved, everyone is happy.

My 2 copper.

[Jimjam]

I don't think everyone will be happy with that, there are non-sky raid forces that like to kill noble to sell the quest loot.

[Swish]

I don't think everyone will be happy with that, there are non-sky raid forces that like to kill noble to sell the quest loot.

Hooray for EconomyQuest and fat cats :p

[sancta2]

Oh so if they just go stand on spawn points to get FTE instead of racing they're not gonna get in trouble? Suuuuuurrrrreeeee.....

He's talking about player-made agreements, what you're talking about are server rules.

[kotton05]

http://i.imgur.com/3zkqWO6.jpg

Signed.

[Khaall Drogo]

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

Yes as a guild we would like to go up to sky for a few weeks in a row and be able to progress farther up islands, instead of being continuously held up by shenanigans on our night. Do we care at all about killing noble? No not at all cause even though we have the forces there at the time when he pope every single week and are fully prepared to kill him. Its just a waste of time for us to race people camped out on spawn spots, and that have taken steps week after week to make it expensive and time consuming. So if i had to choose between having 0% chance at killing the noble but having a smooth Sky raid, or having a .01% chance at killing Noble and deal with the absolute ridiculous shit that we do... Well after 12 weeks I think I am leaning towards the first option.

Don't get me wrong I understand how it would not be helping others out. Which is the exact reason that even though this has being going on for 3 months WE HAVENT KILLED A SINGLE ONE YET. Mostly have just paid out of pocket, and wasted many hours, while trying to explain to Guild members that "There is nothing that can be done about it, its just the way it is."

Again this is all just sharing of information in a forum for discussion and does not represent any intentions of <The Second Sons> to start killing OOA..... This week.

[Ravager]

Killing OOAs sounds good to me. It's win/win. Casuals win because they can have their sky raids back, neckbeards win because they get more time to poopsock Velious harder.

[MilanderTruewield]

Jesus, this thread.

All I can say is that any time that I have been there for the noble kill, a) No other guild is on 1.5 waiting for the spawn, and b) we didn't kill any of isle 1 to get to 1.5. I can't attest to the times I haven't been there for the kill, however I'm reasonably sure that it's gone the same way.

[Maner]

Jesus, this thread.

All I can say is that any time that I have been there for the noble kill, a) No other guild is on 1.5 waiting for the spawn, and b) we didn't kill any of isle 1 to get to 1.5. I can't attest to the times I haven't been there for the kill, however I'm reasonably sure that it's gone the same way.

Well people who were there claim otherwise

[P99Druid]

I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying completely. Casual guilds don't give a shit about nobles. They're not going to poopsock, and they're not going to click on empty air for the chance of an FTE. It's just not going to happen.

What casual guilds want is for the Velious-class raiding guilds to stop clearing their islands. You know how to keep the Velious-class raiding guilds from clearing their islands? You kill the OoAs to eliminate the nobles. The guilds like AG and Rustle that don't corpse their keys and won't buy their keys own no longer have a reason to kill island 1 if there are no nobles.

You kill a mob to take away our pixels, that gives us a reason to kill mobs on island 1 and deny you yours.

[Neksar]

Let's solve this... in the ThunderDome.

But frfr, lets get some fights goin in the arena. I want to see this :popcorn:

[kotton05]

Well people who were there claim otherwise

Proof or naw otherwise it's mehh

[Jimjam]

Proof or naw otherwise it's mehh
I was hoping it wouldn't come to 'prove it'.
[Tue Mar 07 21:04:57 2017] You have entered Plane of Air.
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] ---------------------------
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Necromis <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Sagchurok <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Morgant <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Nibblewitz <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Treacle <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Orna <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Masheliak <Azure Guard>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Weezard <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Trazzle <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Snackums <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Jumbasa <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Torstein <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Rikyr <Rustle>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Kerain <Azure Guard>
[Tue Mar 07 21:05:30 2017] There are 14 players in Plane of Sky.
[Tue Mar 07 21:07:34 2017] Weezard tells you, 'What time does your raid start?'
[Tue Mar 07 21:08:42 2017] You told Weezard, '2 am greece time, I believe that is 7 hrs ahead of est'
[Tue Mar 07 21:08:52 2017] You told Weezard, '7'
[Tue Mar 07 21:23:51 2017] You begin casting Bind Sight.
[Tue Mar 07 21:23:55 2017] Your sight is bound.
[Tue Mar 07 21:24:09 2017] You have become better at Divination! (199)
[Tue Mar 07 21:24:13 2017] You say, 'Hail, Noble Dojorn'
[Tue Mar 07 21:26:11 2017] You say to your guild, 'they are tyring to pull to isle 1, but the leash is too short :P'
[Tue Mar 07 21:29:13 2017] You say to your guild, 'so rustle are killing all the fairies now'
[Tue Mar 07 21:29:21 2017] You say to your guild, 'in order to get keyed for isle 1.5'
[Tue Mar 07 21:30:04 2017] Callamity tells the guild, 'Sure they're not just there goofing off?'
[Tue Mar 07 21:30:15 2017] You say to your guild, 'no cos faeries are dieing'
[Tue Mar 07 21:30:15 2017] Gloks tells the guild, 'Rustle don't goof off'
[Tue Mar 07 21:30:30 2017] You say to your guild, 'whats respawn time on thsoe? have they trashed our sky raid tonight?'
[Tue Mar 07 21:30:36 2017] You say to your guild, '6 hours? or are they quicker than that?'
[Tue Mar 07 21:30:58 2017] Phoom tells the guild, 'Ouch! hope people bring plat for keys!'
[Tue Mar 07 21:31:00 2017] a thunder spirit princess says 'I'll teach you to interfere with me Rikyr.'
[Tue Mar 07 21:33:26 2017] You say out of character, 'whats the respawn time on these princeses? < 6 hours?'
[Tue Mar 07 21:33:32 2017] Snackurrection says out of character, '3 i think'
[Tue Mar 07 21:33:51 2017] You say out of character, 'including the boss?'
[Tue Mar 07 21:33:59 2017] Snackurrection says out of character, 'Yes, thats to my understandin'
[Tue Mar 07 21:34:45 2017] You say out of character, 'lets hope wiki is wrong then otherwise AG gonna have an expensive time on their raid buying keys instead of killing faeries this evening ;)'
[Tue Mar 07 21:34:47 2017] Snackurrection says out of character, 'Its definitely 6 or less'
[Tue Mar 07 21:38:31 2017] Noble Dojorn engages Rikyr!
[Tue Mar 07 21:38:34 2017] Taking a screenshot...
[Tue Mar 07 21:39:57 2017] You say to your guild, 'TOD xx:39'
http://i.imgur.com/CKhjHOx.png
what a messy UI!

and screw it, in the spirit of fairness
[Sun Apr 09 02:11:43 2017] a thunder spirit has been slain by Xarer!
[Sun Apr 09 02:12:50 2017] You say to your guild, 'we aren't blocking any scheduled sky raids doing this, are we??'
[Sun Apr 09 02:12:55 2017] a thunder spirit has been slain by Tyrfling!
[Sun Apr 09 02:13:09 2017] You say to your guild, 'i remember when rustle got us :P'
[Sun Apr 09 02:13:10 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, '`wpv yeah probably we are. Usually hydra does sky on sat'
[Sun Apr 09 02:13:50 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'Be suprised if they start raids after 8:15pm'
[Sun Apr 09 02:15:00 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'I'll ask a friend if they are doing sky and will let them know not to bother if they need to key up on 1.'
[Sun Apr 09 02:17:44 2017] There are 22 players in Plane of Sky.
[Sun Apr 09 02:18:15 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'Yep that is Hydra alliance'
[Sun Apr 09 02:18:32 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'They are here for their saturday raid'
[Sun Apr 09 02:19:04 2017] Hollowlung tells the guild, 'Do we have to kill all the fairys to kill princess?'
[Sun Apr 09 02:19:15 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'No. im talking to BHP, just sit tight'
[Sun Apr 09 02:21:02 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'Btw wizmate is prob being played by an officer of bhp'
[Sun Apr 09 02:21:05 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'If you need a contact'
[Sun Apr 09 02:29:10 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'Whoever is talking to Hydra, Mashiara would be a good one to discuss this with.'
[Sun Apr 09 02:29:15 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'She's an officer'
[Sun Apr 09 02:29:19 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'Im on it'
[Sun Apr 09 02:30:12 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'If u are keyed, click up to 1.5. if u are not, sit tight on 1 and wait for BHP to kill princess'
[Sun Apr 09 02:30:44 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'If u dont have a miniature sword, key, or money for 1.5, sit back and collect dkp'
[Sun Apr 09 02:31:46 2017] You say to your guild, 'pop'
[Sun Apr 09 02:31:52 2017] You say to your guild, 'is what i will say when he pops'
[Sun Apr 09 02:31:54 2017] You say to your guild, 'POP!'
[Sun Apr 09 02:36:19 2017] Key Master tells you, 'I'll give you 439 platinum 4 gold 1 silver 2 copper for the Tolan's Darkwood Gauntlets.'
[Sun Apr 09 02:36:20 2017] You receive 439 platinum 4 gold 1 silver 2 copper from Key Master for the Tolan's Darkwood Gauntlets(s).
[Sun Apr 09 02:36:52 2017] Key Master tells you, 'That'll be 532 platinum 5 gold 4 silver 4 copper for the Key of Swords.'
[Sun Apr 09 02:36:54 2017] You give 532 platinum 5 gold 4 silver 4 copper to Key Master.
[Sun Apr 09 02:37:48 2017] You say to your guild, 'i just sold my tolon's gloves to get here :P'
[Sun Apr 09 02:43:45 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'We chose to wait rather than kill princess in Hydra's faces. we are waiting for them to kill princess, and get the rest up here. and we will engage then, unless provoked by competition'
[Sun Apr 09 02:44:32 2017] You say to your guild, 'so i sold my tolans gauntlets (that i have never actually clicked) for nothing? :P'
[Sun Apr 09 02:44:42 2017] Morrigan tells the guild, 'As SOON as hydra kills princess, turn in your keys and click up to 1.5'
[Sun Apr 09 03:01:38 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'They're getting upset down here'
[Sun Apr 09 03:01:47 2017] Coldstep tells the guild, 'Not enough keys'
[Sun Apr 09 03:01:59 2017] You say to your guild, 'we did a rustle :('
[Sun Apr 09 03:02:14 2017] Oggork tells the guild, 'Can island 2 keys be bought?'
[Sun Apr 09 03:02:22 2017] You say to your guild, 'yeah it is 270pp'
[Sun Apr 09 03:02:30 2017] Oggork tells the guild, 'I have 950pp on me'
[Sun Apr 09 03:03:12 2017] You say to your guild, 'hydra are going to 2 tho'
[Sun Apr 09 03:03:15 2017] Oggork tells the guild, 'Meaning for Hydra since we took some of their keys'
[Sun Apr 09 03:03:37 2017] Morrigan tells the guild, 'I have 1k on nahd, but he's at WC spire.'
[Sun Apr 09 03:03:53 2017] Morrigan tells the guild, 'Willing to pay for whatever keys I can, direct them to me if they can make it work.'
[Sun Apr 09 03:08:48 2017] Velthak shouts, 'Assist on a thunder spirit princess'
[Sun Apr 09 03:01:04 2017] [57 Revenant] Velthak (Iksar) <Vita Infinita>
[Sun Apr 09 03:09:42 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'PULL INC, get ready'
[Sun Apr 09 03:09:56 2017] Mashiara says out of character, 'Turn in your Lost rabbit's foot and Miniature Sword'
[Sun Apr 09 03:09:57 2017] Tyrfling tells the guild, 'Island 1 guys get up ehre asap'
[Sun Apr 09 03:10:16 2017] Noble Dojorn engages Sadiki!
[Sun Apr 09 03:01:04 2017] [ANONYMOUS] Sadiki <Azure Guard>
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:44 2017] Noble Dojorn has become ENRAGED.
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:55 2017] A blade storm tries to bash YOU, but misses!
...
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:55 2017] A blade storm hits YOU for 211 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:56 2017] You have been summoned!
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:58 2017] You have been slain by Noble Dojorn!
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:02 2017] Returning to Rivervale, please wait...
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:02 2017] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:18 2017] Toopy tells the guild, 'Grr who turned it lol'
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:19 2017] You have entered Rivervale.
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:42 2017] You say to your guild, '111 i also got stuck in a see of people and had my kite blocked :P'
[Sun Apr 09 03:14:58 2017] Donlo Goobler tells you, 'Welcome to my bank!'
[Sun Apr 09 03:15:04 2017] Donlo Goobler tells you, 'Come back soon!'
[Sun Apr 09 03:16:39 2017] You regain some experience from resurrection.
[Sun Apr 09 03:16:39 2017] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sun Apr 09 03:17:01 2017] You have entered Plane of Air.
[Sun Apr 09 03:22:26 2017] Morrigan tells the guild, 'Who has plat on them? I need approx 1.5k to pay for keys for some hydra folks that couldn't make it up. I will pay this back to you as soon as we leave sky.'
[Sun Apr 09 03:23:16 2017] You told morrigan, 'kill me again and I'll grab that from banknow'
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:06 2017] Kozmoe crushes YOU for 143 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:06 2017] Kozmoe crushes YOU for 143 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:09 2017] Kozmoe crushes YOU for 143 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:09 2017] You have been slain by Kozmoe!
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:13 2017] Returning to Rivervale, please wait...
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:13 2017] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:30 2017] You have entered Rivervale.
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:31 2017] Morrigan tells the guild, 'Up to 600, thank you all. need around 1k more.'
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:35 2017] Donlo Goobler tells you, 'Welcome to my bank!'
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:46 2017] You told morrigan, 'rez plz'
[Sun Apr 09 03:24:55 2017] Morrigan tells you, 'Inc'
[Sun Apr 09 03:25:06 2017] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Sun Apr 09 03:25:28 2017] You have entered Plane of Air.
[Sun Apr 09 03:25:37 2017] You told Morrigan, 'come to me'
[Sun Apr 09 03:25:41 2017] You told Morrigan, 'for your filthy money'
[Sun Apr 09 03:26:00 2017] Morrigan tells you, 'Gimme 600'
[Sun Apr 09 03:32:48 2017] Toopy tells the guild, 'Btw for thoise that are asken they were dissen ag,, my exact words were.. Hey now,, dont get snotty.. we only killed 2 AND we left princess for you'

[Samoht]

You kill a mob to take away our pixels, that gives us a reason to kill mobs on island 1 and deny you yours.

So in your greed for nobles, you're going to end the sky rotation all together? Classy move.

[kotton05]

Thanks jimjam, clearly it wasn't malicious, is that your only account of it occurring? I wasn't there but looks like everyone was under the impression the respawns would occur before your time. Has it happened since? I appreciate your logs , both of them, how did the second one end? I notice mention of AG being dissed?

[Samoht]

Has it happened since?

I know of an occurrence on 5/6. Naturally, you're going to deny it. I don't care. At this point, the vile behavior of your guild is well known. And judging by the number of OoAs that are up, the rest of the server is on board with killing them to punish you.

[Sadiki]

[Sun Apr 09 03:12:55 2017] A blade storm hits YOU for 211 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:56 2017] You have been summoned!
[Sun Apr 09 03:12:58 2017] You have been slain by Noble Dojorn!
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:02 2017] Returning to Rivervale, please wait...
[Sun Apr 09 03:13:02 2017] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
Confirmed, Kerain's max hp is only 173.

[P99Druid]

I know of an occurrence on 5/6. Naturally, you're going to deny it. I don't care. At this point, the vile behavior of your guild is well known. And judging by the number of OoAs that are up, the rest of the server is on board with killing them to punish you.

Yes, they were clearly killed to punish us. Definitely what happened.

[Maner]

Yes, they were clearly killed to punish us. Definitely what happened.

Well it's people like you who are going after nobles and screwing the rotation up for everyone else. Does rustle even have a Sky day that they use anymore?

You sound like someone who didn't get their full set of golden cuck armor and now you never will.

[nyclin]

p well known that rustle likes fucking with other guilds, especially if they can do it within the rules

pulling aow to WL zone line (illegal by itself) with 7 people there to engage? sure why not, sirken ain't gonna do shit unless the guild is named "aftermath" or "awakened"

[Samoht]

p well known that rustle likes fucking with other guilds, especially if they can do it within the rules

Well then it's safe to say the tables of turned. Getting an OoA and a HoV for the current guild is more important than Rustle getting nobles.

[titanshub]

Kittens has been going every other Friday. We partnered with Venerate to get into a slot that would work for us. I think rustle has been taking the our off weeks on Friday.

I can't speak for Venerate but Kittens would support a rotation. We also won't kill overseers of air regardless of whatever happens.

[harmo]

no fairies, no princesse up in posky ...
You ask for respect for your raid ? respect others then, thx.

[Laemeth]

So once again the island is empty, as long as the problem is not solved Novae will kill the OOA every week and if that's not enough we'll get out of the rotation and we'll go to Sky when we want to!

Laemeth Raid leader of Novae

[Fasttimes]

Clearly these atrocities must stop. Send tell to jumbalaya he will help fix this.

[welly321]

So once again the island is empty, as long as the problem is not solved Novae will kill the OOA every week and if that's not enough we'll get out of the rotation and we'll go to Sky when we want to!

Laemeth Raid leader of Novae

So your gonna kill the OOA for what reason? To punish other guilds in the rotation? Thats all your doing

[Sancta]

So your gonna kill the OOA for what reason? To punish other guilds in the rotation? Thats all your doing

Judging by the thread, there doesn't seem to be a rotation, why should they follow anything? They get screwed, which in turn screws the guild after them because now Novae has to start later and so on. This is how traffic starts IRL.

[welly321]

Judging by the thread, there doesn't seem to be a rotation, why should they follow anything? They get screwed, which in turn screws the guild after them because now Novae has to start later and so on. This is how traffic starts IRL.

Well for starters Killing it is simply done out of spite and thats just a bad reason to do it.

[pogs4ever]

you could /log before hand and name and shame them.

Given the repetition of occurrence, I'm guessing maybe the 7 day noble is 3 days before Novae's slot, so that's the first 3 day noble of the OOA chain. Killing the OOA wont stop that behavior in that case.

[Krashin]

Samoht do you actually play on this server or do you just has a hard on for rustle? Tune in to his next 100 posts to find out more...

[Expediency]

So your gonna kill the OOA for what reason? To punish other guilds in the rotation? Thats all your doing

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement. Even without the agreement there would be a lot of nobles each week which is a bigger pie for everyone to try to get a slice. Right now there is only one piece of pie and it will remain highly contested by csg/rustle/a/a since they all have to split one per week.

Killing the OOAs because guild X screwed you once might screw guild X a tiny bit but it screws all others equally. It also generates bad blood, as this thread is showing. Sky will rapidly become a free for all if people can not follow simple rules like "dont kill mobs when it isnt your day" or "leave OOAs up so a noble spawns every day."

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first and one of the only prescheduled raids on p99 will be eliminated. I personally will not participate in killing OOAs. Removing a community resource because you're mad at someone is a jerk move and contributes to a lawless environment.

[Samoht]

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement.

You need to get Rustle to agree to YDYN before you bring it up again as an option. Hint: It's never going to happen.

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first

Not exactly. I'm going to laugh at guilds focusing on Sky over Velious content more than a day a week.

[Maner]

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement. Even without the agreement there would be a lot of nobles each week which is a bigger pie for everyone to try to get a slice. Right now there is only one piece of pie and it will remain highly contested by csg/rustle/a/a since they all have to split one per week.

Killing the OOAs because guild X screwed you once might screw guild X a tiny bit but it screws all others equally. It also generates bad blood, as this thread is showing. Sky will rapidly become a free for all if people can not follow simple rules like "dont kill mobs when it isnt your day" or "leave OOAs up so a noble spawns every day."

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first and one of the only prescheduled raids on p99 will be eliminated. I personally will not participate in killing OOAs. Removing a community resource because you're mad at someone is a jerk move and contributes to a lawless environment.

Let's see, 14 sky slots vs a total of 7-8 nobles a week if all OOAs are left up? Someone can't do the math

[Sancta]

If people would leave the OOAs up, there would be sufficient nobles every week for a your day/your noble agreement. Even without the agreement there would be a lot of nobles each week which is a bigger pie for everyone to try to get a slice. Right now there is only one piece of pie and it will remain highly contested by csg/rustle/a/a since they all have to split one per week.

Killing the OOAs because guild X screwed you once might screw guild X a tiny bit but it screws all others equally. It also generates bad blood, as this thread is showing. Sky will rapidly become a free for all if people can not follow simple rules like "dont kill mobs when it isnt your day" or "leave OOAs up so a noble spawns every day."

If sky does become a free for all the weaker guilds will suffer first and one of the only prescheduled raids on p99 will be eliminated. I personally will not participate in killing OOAs. Removing a community resource because you're mad at someone is a jerk move and contributes to a lawless environment.

I'm not sure if you've been following this thread (sarcasm), but there is no agreement being followed right now by the looks of it. Just guilds FFAing on their previously set days and going up on other guilds days.

[Expediency]

Let's see, 14 sky slots vs a total of 7-8 nobles a week if all OOAs are left up? Someone can't do the math

What math? That 7-8 >>>> 1???

I am aware there are more rotation slots than noble spawns. Its a solvable problem, any noble spawns during your 12 hour window and its yours. Any unclaimed slots can stay FFA. Over time statistics evens things out. You could have thought of this solution yourself if you had any intention of contributing to a solution instead of trolling people who are trying to find common ground.

I'm not sure if you've been following this thread (sarcasm), but there is no agreement being followed right now by the looks of it. Just guilds FFAing on their previously set days and going up on other guilds days.

Yeah, its going to get ugly if people start trying to spite each other. I have everything I want from sky but I do not want to see it become the wild west. The A/A guys are right to mock casuals who cant get their act together on such an easy and obvious solution (two sky raids per day, on rotation)

Letting the world burn on noble spawns/ooa is one thing, but casual guilds are totally mad to avoid the rotation agreements. I'm glad I have what I want because this will be a shitshow

[Samoht]

I'm not sure if you've been following this thread (sarcasm), but there is no agreement being followed right now by the looks of it. Just guilds FFAing on their previously set days and going up on other guilds days.

It's mostly AG and Rustle.

[Samoht]

What math? That 7-8 >>>> 1???

I am aware there are more rotation slots than noble spawns. Its a solvable problem, any noble spawns during your 12 hour window and its yours. Any unclaimed slots can stay FFA. Over time statistics evens things out. You could have thought of this solution yourself if you had any intention of contributing to a solution instead of trolling people who are trying to find common ground.

You are an idiot with a pipe dream.

[Fasttimes]

Rustle will agree to ydyn if it comes with an about 30k per week fee. Let us know how to collect.

[Expediency]

Rustle will agree to ydyn if it comes with an about 30k per week fee. Let us know how to collect.

It would be helpful to see an official statement from a rustle officer about their sky/ooa/noble policy. Officers from several other guilds have weighed in to say what they will or wont do. I find it hard to believe that rustle's official position is "let the world burn, we're going when we want and killing what we want" but anything is possible.

There's a lot of anon accounts and robots in this thread muddying the waters. If you or merkk are an officer and have already posted this please quote it because I missed it.

[Maner]

What math? That 7-8 >>>> 1???

I am aware there are more rotation slots than noble spawns. Its a solvable problem, any noble spawns during your 12 hour window and its yours. Any unclaimed slots can stay FFA. Over time statistics evens things out. You could have thought of this solution yourself if you had any intention of contributing to a solution instead of trolling people who are trying to find common ground.



Yeah, its going to get ugly if people start trying to spite each other. I have everything I want from sky but I do not want to see it become the wild west. The A/A guys are right to mock casuals who cant get their act together on such an easy and obvious solution (two sky raids per day, on rotation)

Letting the world burn on noble spawns/ooa is one thing, but casual guilds are totally mad to avoid the rotation agreements. I'm glad I have what I want because this will be a shitshow

You said there would be enough nobles for everyone, which is blatantly false. Nobles have a set respawn with no variance, they would go to the same rotation slots every single time.

I don't think you really understand statistics, maybe things would even out if there was a variance on them, but there isn't so your entire assumption is flawed. The same groups would get nobles every week, the same way that the Thursday sky people were getting screwed over and over again.

[Expediency]

You said there would be enough nobles for everyone, which is blatantly false. Nobles have a set respawn with no variance, they would go to the same rotation slots every single time.

I don't think you really understand statistics, maybe things would even out if there was a variance on them, but there isn't so your entire assumption is flawed. The same groups would get nobles every week, the same way that the Thursday sky people were getting screwed over and over again.

Firstly, I am looking for a framework that we can work with to get a general agreement. Its not going to be perfect on the first pitch, but at least I'm trying, many of you are just taking potshots without offering any constructive help. There has been a YDYN agreement in the past so the proof of concept is there.

Secondly, on the short term, the problem of non variance is an issue but it seems solvable if people are committed to a solution instead of a wild west scenario.

Lastly, the server is randomly reset/patched without us being able to predict it. If this scheme was implemented over a long enough period of time, it would absolutely work. The person who doesnt understand statistics is you.

[Maner]

Firstly, I am looking for a framework that we can work with to get a general agreement. Its not going to be perfect on the first pitch, but at least I'm trying, many of you are just taking potshots without offering any constructive help. There has been a YDYN agreement in the past so the proof of concept is there.

Secondly, on the short term, the problem of non variance is an issue but it seems solvable if people are committed to a solution instead of a wild west scenario.

Lastly, the server is randomly reset/patched without us being able to predict it. If this scheme was implemented over a long enough period of time, it would absolutely work. The person who doesnt understand statistics is you.

That would require an absurdly long period of time with how sporadic and unpredictable the repops are on this server. Are you trying to claim that the last YDYN agreement had everyone getting the same number of nobles?

[Expediency]

That would require an absurdly long period of time with how sporadic and unpredictable the repops are on this server. Are you trying to claim that the last YDYN agreement had everyone getting the same number of nobles?

You just moved the goal posts twice.

I said nothing about the equality of the previous YDYN agreement, I said that the proof of concept is there. If the information on numbers per guild under the last agreement are out there, I have never seen them. I'm confident that over a long enough timeline they would even out.

You also said I didnt know statistics and now you're telling me that my statistics require "an absurdly long amount of time." which are two different things entirely.

I'm not going to get drug further into a troll semantics argument, you can engage samoht if you want to do that. Do you have any actual suggestions or do you prefer wild west?

[pogs4ever]

16 hour variance plz!

[RedXIII]

16 hour variance plz!

this plz. and FTE race line at isle 1.

[Jimjam]

It's mostly AG and Rustle.

How recently have AG last done this? Previously you were pretty pedantic on being up to date for which guilds can do sky but don't, I think you need to be similarly critical in terms of how recently AG may have had activity on isle 1 outside of their own day.

The only example I've seen is where they killed 2 thunder spirits (only! no princess!) and then realised their mistake / stopped. That was months ago.

Have their been any incidences of AG actually clearing isle 1 off day this month?

[Savok]

There are three choices to resolve this issue:

1. YDYN. If its up in your raid window (12 hours?) then you get to kill it. Any spawns within open raid slots are considered FFA kills - you may kill Isle 1 mobs for keys so long as there is sufficient time for the Isle to respawn before any scheduled raids (6 hours?), otherwise you must buy or use corpsed keys.

2. The same as 1 above but its just FFA. No matter what time the Noble spawns you must buy keys if they Isle will not respawn in time for a scheduled raid, or used corpsed keys only.

3, Its FFA and you always have to buy/corpse keys - no killing Isle 1 mobs at all.

Option 1 best suits smaller guilds and the server as a whole - mobs get spread around all guilds plus there is a chance of some FFA spawns when no one is raiding Sky. Options 1 and 2 allow for FFA kills but I see issues with Isle 1 being killed at the wrong time (I thought X guild raided at Y time and the Isle hasn't spawned - the issue Novae is having right now) Option 3 favors the bigger guilds who can spend the pp on keys quickly, or who constantly corpse keys but it hurts other guilds who just can't compete on those terms.

[Pokesan]

please don't raid plane of sky it's awful

[titanshub]

There are three choices to resolve this issue:

1. YDYN. If its up in your raid window (12 hours?) then you get to kill it. Any spawns within open raid slots are considered FFA kills - you may kill Isle 1 mobs for keys so long as there is sufficient time for the Isle to respawn before any scheduled raids (6 hours?), otherwise you must buy or use corpsed keys.

2. The same as 1 above but its just FFA. No matter what time the Noble spawns you must buy keys if they Isle will not respawn in time for a scheduled raid, or used corpsed keys only.

3, Its FFA and you always have to buy/corpse keys - no killing Isle 1 mobs at all.

Option 1 best suits smaller guilds and the server as a whole - mobs get spread around all guilds plus there is a chance of some FFA spawns when no one is raiding Sky. Options 1 and 2 allow for FFA kills but I see issues with Isle 1 being killed at the wrong time (I thought X guild raided at Y time and the Isle hasn't spawned - the issue Novae is having right now) Option 3 favors the bigger guilds who can spend the pp on keys quickly, or who constantly corpse keys but it hurts other guilds who just can't compete on those terms.

I like option 1 but the problem I see with this is that no variance means that noble spawns will remain pretty static. However, often we do not have a powerful enough force in sky to kill a noble so I wonder if that sort of thing would push the next spawns around and randomize them a bit. Maybe I am misunderstanding how it works.

[Maner]

You just moved the goal posts twice.

I said nothing about the equality of the previous YDYN agreement, I said that the proof of concept is there. If the information on numbers per guild under the last agreement are out there, I have never seen them. I'm confident that over a long enough timeline they would even out.

You also said I didnt know statistics and now you're telling me that my statistics require "an absurdly long amount of time." which are two different things entirely.

I'm not going to get drug further into a troll semantics argument, you can engage samoht if you want to do that. Do you have any actual suggestions or do you prefer wild west?

i didnt "move the goal posts" i asked you a question. Why else would you bring up the past agreement, unless you think it actually worked? which, by the way, was monopolized by those guilds who had days where nobles were always spawning.

Actually it is the same thing, on this server. To make your claim you would have to be able to predict the server repops in order to say that every guild on the rotation would end up with the same amount of nobles. Honestly its an assumption / opinion at best, not statistics.

I think killing any OOA you see up is the way it should go, if there happens to also be a noble then go for it. Clearing any island on a day that isnt your day in the rotation should result in you being removed from the rotation.

Proof of a concept doesn't mean it worked. its why we don't have flying cars already. The idea is flawed from the start, your day your noble works for 1/2 of the rotation while leaving the other half SoL. which is the same way it worked out before.

There are three choices to resolve this issue:

1. YDYN. If its up in your raid window (12 hours?) then you get to kill it. Any spawns within open raid slots are considered FFA kills - you may kill Isle 1 mobs for keys so long as there is sufficient time for the Isle to respawn before any scheduled raids (6 hours?), otherwise you must buy or use corpsed keys.

2. The same as 1 above but its just FFA. No matter what time the Noble spawns you must buy keys if they Isle will not respawn in time for a scheduled raid, or used corpsed keys only.

3, Its FFA and you always have to buy/corpse keys - no killing Isle 1 mobs at all.

Option 1 best suits smaller guilds and the server as a whole - mobs get spread around all guilds plus there is a chance of some FFA spawns when no one is raiding Sky. Options 1 and 2 allow for FFA kills but I see issues with Isle 1 being killed at the wrong time (I thought X guild raided at Y time and the Isle hasn't spawned - the issue Novae is having right now) Option 3 favors the bigger guilds who can spend the pp on keys quickly, or who constantly corpse keys but it hurts other guilds who just can't compete on those terms.

i dont think you comprehend just how many rotation slots vs how many nobles spawn a week, even with leaving all the OoA up. those small guilds may get to see a noble now and again but it will be the SAME guilds every week since there is no variance on the spawns. you can sit down an map out when every single noble will spawn each week.

Option 3 is the only way to do it and allow guilds to kill OoAs whenever they see them

[Jimjam]

If YDYN was a thing there would need to be a 13 day cool down time on how often your force may kill nobles? Or even just 8...

[Maner]

If YDYN was a thing there would need to be a 13 day cool down time on how often your force may kill nobles? Or even just 8...

then it isnt really YDYN =p

[Savok]

Ah yeah I keep forgetting there is no variance on Nobles.

[Neksar]

Spawn is up. 2 Hardest hitting #@%%@s in the guilds that want FTE meet in the arena and duke it out. Last man standing gets to personally walk up to the mob, wag his dack @ said mob, and guild gets the glory of killing %T.

Works for Darwin, works for me.

[Jimjam]

That is all very well, Neskar, but modern interpretations leave room for the 'sneaky male' strategy!

That being where an un-noteworthy individual slips in, and takes the prize while the others are bickering over who deserves it more!

While the Alpha put the Beta in its place the Omega gets the last laugh!

[Neksar]

Damnations, thennnnnnnn we resort to plan B to keep it fun:

Anyone not present at arena fight is SoL (shitouttaluck); anyone who compromises the winner's rights gets banned!

I just think the arena should be used a lot more to resolve lawyerquesting. For a game about knights, magic and honor (supposedly), it's way more gratifying killing your opponent, and then knowing you get the kill rights on your mob, and then killing your mob (ideally in the time it takes your vanquished opponent to loot his/her corpse for multiple e-balls points).

Constant pvp, not so much. But in moments where there's no winning and you just want to punch someone in the face for not listening to your side of the story, hit the CoM arena so all the 40s/50s get to watch and cheer. Even get some /ran gambling going on. Gms can come and turn everyone into faeries and unicorns to get their kicks - i foresee this to be a fun ass spectacle.

[Neksar]

That is all very well, Neskar, but modern interpretations leave room for the 'sneaky male' strategy!

That being where an un-noteworthy individual slips in, and takes the prize while the others are bickering over who deserves it more!

While the Alpha put the Beta in its place the Omega gets the last laugh!

P.S. I like your post-darwinian critique. Reminds me of one of the Planet Earths where a male fish pretends to be a woman, just so the big bad bro fish gravitates to him and not the damsel in pursuit... only to get all 90's R&B video on her when big bad fish gets upset and leaves.

[Samoht]

many of you are just taking potshots without offering any constructive help.

Hypocrite. Hypocrite. HYPOCRITE.

If you're just going to troll, you need to excuse yourself from this conversation IMMEDIATELY.

[Jimjam]

TBH, Swish, discussions are still up in the air atm.

[pogs4ever]

Whoever has the 7 day spawn, plz kill noble, OoA, hov.

No nobles for anyone. This is why we can't have nice things.

[zanderklocke]

http://i.imgur.com/lc4hzpK.jpg

Should do this again.

[Rygar]

Jesus that pic, the socking used to be real!

[planarity]

Jesus that pic, the socking used to be real!

Why would you need to poop in a sock when you know exactly when the mob spawns?

[danzig]

Why would you need to poop in a sock when you know exactly when the mob spawns?

Some Like It Sock

http://i.imgur.com/BnTmnTY.jpg

[skarlorn]

what does juntsie have to say about this?

what sort of reparations does AG owe the server?

Very tarnishing to their "benevelont" guild rep. Reminds me of the downfall of BDA under the malicious hands of chest & cronies

[raato]

This is madness.

We used to have rotation on Nobles with other smaller guilds at the time (Europa, Omni, AG, Rustle, FoH, Anons atleast). It started out with Europa, Omni, AG, Anons and we invited other guilds we thought would be able to kill Noble along. Some denied, some joined. For example Infernus denied their place in rotation, because they couldn't handle Noble if it spawned outside their primetime.

Rules were quite simple:
1. Each guild got 1 day of a week when it was their turn to kill Noble(s), all other Nobles were FFA since there was more weekdays than guilds involved
2. You had to kill Noble as soon as it spawns
3. When you killed Noble, you updated ToD to shared spreadsheet
4. Inform other guilds well in advance in case you knew you couldn't handle it

It usually worked fine until server reset, then there was few weeks of FFA and then we established the rotation again.

I'm sure if guilds really wanted to act like adults, they could make something similar up. You could also add rule "killing princess is not allowed" to avoid blocking other guilds from their sky raids. But as a reminder, some people go up for monk epic also and clear isle 1 to get to 1.5 so atleast Europa members are always told to prepare for Sky raid with 270pp to buy key to 2nd if thats the case.

[kotton05]

You forgot that a few gold from a necro quest also despawns on the princess..

[raato]

You forgot that a few gold from a necro quest also despawns on the princess..

That was mentioned earlier on some of the posts I actually read.

[Zemus]

This is madness.

We used to have rotation on Nobles with other smaller guilds at the time (Europa, Omni, AG, Rustle, FoH, Anons atleast). It started out with Europa, Omni, AG, Anons and we invited other guilds we thought would be able to kill Noble along. Some denied, some joined. For example Infernus denied their place in rotation, because they couldn't handle Noble if it spawned outside their primetime.

Rules were quite simple:
1. Each guild got 1 day of a week when it was their turn to kill Noble(s), all other Nobles were FFA since there was more weekdays than guilds involved
2. You had to kill Noble as soon as it spawns
3. When you killed Noble, you updated ToD to shared spreadsheet
4. Inform other guilds well in advance in case you knew you couldn't handle it

It usually worked fine until server reset, then there was few weeks of FFA and then we established the rotation again.

I'm sure if guilds really wanted to act like adults, they could make something similar up. You could also add rule "killing princess is not allowed" to avoid blocking other guilds from their sky raids. But as a reminder, some people go up for monk epic also and clear isle 1 to get to 1.5 so atleast Europa members are always told to prepare for Sky raid with 270pp to buy key to 2nd if thats the case.

This sure was a sweet deal for CSG holding 3 spots in the rotation, and the 7 day noble for the entirety.

[raato]

This sure was a sweet deal for CSG holding 3 spots in the rotation, and the 7 day noble for the entirety.

You do understand that CSG is actually 3 guilds that only team up for harder targets due to nature of the server environment?

All guilds that are part of CSG alliance raid most of their time by their own scheduled times.

We didn't ask FoH and Anons to share slot even when they had their alliance.

[Expediency]

This is madness.

I think an agreement is possible and I wish a majority of the server felt the same way but after following this thread for the last 2 weeks I'm convinced that there is not enough good will to make it happen. People don't seem to want it. I'm thinking a few months of wild west might make everyone more open to negotiation

[Zemus]

You do understand that CSG is actually 3 guilds that only team up for harder targets due to nature of the server environment?

All guilds that are part of CSG alliance raid most of their time by their own scheduled times.

We didn't ask FoH and Anons to share slot even when they had their alliance.

Yes, however, it still makes the arrangement unpalatable.

[Mythanor]

Yes, however, it still makes the arrangement unpalatable.

Then how *palatable* is the hush hush rotation with non FTE mobs with Aftermath, while you do your own raids / races for other mobs? That's ok. But any agreement that doesnt include A/ A becomes unpalatable. (Ot at the worst, a means to try to justify your crappy guild relations)

[Pokesan]

can't believe CSG has been scamming nobles for years !

[Zemus]

Then how *palatable* is the hush hush rotation with non FTE mobs with Aftermath, while you do your own raids / races for other mobs? That's ok. But any agreement that doesnt include A/ A becomes unpalatable. (Ot at the worst, a means to try to justify your crappy guild relations)

Not very palatable at all I'm sure. That is a good example of how agreements and alliances make the 3rd parties feel left out. Something to consider when dealing with the issue at hand.

[Maner]

Then how *palatable* is the hush hush rotation with non FTE mobs with Aftermath, while you do your own raids / races for other mobs? That's ok. But any agreement that doesnt include A/ A becomes unpalatable. (Ot at the worst, a means to try to justify your crappy guild relations)

I don't see you out competeing for those rotated non fte mobs anyway so why does it matter to you? Perhaps if you want into said rotation you should put forth the effort of fighting for the mobs in question rather than stomping your feet demanding to be let in...

[raato]

Yes, however, it still makes the arrangement unpalatable.

As far as I know the agreement was between the guilds, not between CSG and the other guilds. And everyone involved were happy with the agreement. Also at the time this agreement was in place Europa, Omni and AG all outnumbered the other guilds by atleast double amount of players.

[P99Druid]

My favorite part about sky currently is that after all this effort to stop us from getting Nobles, the weekly spawn falls on our sky night.

[Samoht]

My favorite part about sky currently is that after all this effort to stop us from getting Nobles, the weekly spawn falls on our sky night.

The OoAs are being killed to stop you from porting up on nights reserved for other guilds and clearing island 1. Nobody cares if you get a noble on your day or not.

[Zemus]

As far as I know the agreement was between the guilds, not between CSG and the other guilds. And everyone involved were happy with the agreement. Also at the time this agreement was in place Europa, Omni and AG all outnumbered the other guilds by atleast double amount of players.

I'll admit, my argument is more subjective than objective, however, CSG speaks with a single voice and is a single guild de facto. At least from an outsiders perspective.

I don't think it is madness for those interested in nobles to not wish to return to the previous system. The promise of more nobles, up to 1 a day, never really came to be during my time in sky. The timer spreadsheet basically fell apart due to snipe groups/plat farmers holding the timers. That's really the bigger issue. In fact, I was approached yesterday about setting up a team to contest nobles. :eek:

[P99Druid]

The OoAs are being killed to stop you from porting up on nights reserved for other guilds and clearing island 1. Nobody cares if you get a noble on your day or not.

We've never killed anything on Island one on any night I've ported up for a noble unless it was already our night or there was enough time for a respawn. I always buy my key, pretty much every time, 500p is literally nothing.